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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to the Daily Like Guys

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Speaker 1: for Thursday, October twelve, two thousand seventeen. My name is

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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien. I am joined as always by my co host,

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Speaker 1: Mr Miles grag was I must, and we are thrilled

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Andrew T, host of Yo was

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Speaker 1: this racist? What's up? What's up? Did you have to push?

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Speaker 1: I'm so used to being the only Asian person in

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Speaker 1: a podcast For that, I feel like, thank you, yeah

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Speaker 1: you no worries. Just got about to hold down two races.

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Speaker 1: I know, I got black and Japan. Yeah, you're busy

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Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, I'll do some a little more Bonnie uh

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Speaker 1: this morning, and everybody with the ohio good. I must

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Speaker 1: For all my Japanese listeners out there, yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: pretended to know what you said. YE was like, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 1: cool cool. Yeah all right, Andrew, Uh for our foolish

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Speaker 1: listeners who don't listen to you as this racist so

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Speaker 1: they can get to know you quickly. What is the

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Speaker 1: weirdest thing in your search history from this week for

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Speaker 1: this day? All right? This is so this is a thing.

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Speaker 1: When y'all asked me about this, I was like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: this would be funny. And then I realized there's nothing

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Speaker 1: in my search history from this week because I deleted

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Speaker 1: google ability or not ability the ability. I told them

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Speaker 1: they couldn't they shouldn't track my ship anymore. So what

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Speaker 1: I do have for my search history is um basically

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Speaker 1: five survivalist videos and then me abruptly cutting off Google

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Speaker 1: videos shook yeah, and nothing crazy. What happened was a

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Speaker 1: couple like a couple of weeks ago. Clearly I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start getting into like I need to learn

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Speaker 1: how to like camp and ship. Like I was like

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Speaker 1: a not eagle scout, but I was I did a

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Speaker 1: boy scout thing for a while. I'll look at you,

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Speaker 1: and so I was like I could get back into this.

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Speaker 1: So it's just like a but like a variety of

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Speaker 1: like knife and gun reviews, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I'm out drop off

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Speaker 1: the grid. The military is definitely something happened in there

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Speaker 1: where you're just like knife gun, did someone say something

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Speaker 1: You're just like I don't want I don't want people

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Speaker 1: to build a case again. I mean it was the mindset, no,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I think it was also like look

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Speaker 1: is it's never that fun to watch a bunch of

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Speaker 1: gun videos, but it kind of is. And I think

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Speaker 1: I was just like, I'm watching too many gun videos. Um, alright,

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Speaker 1: what's your over under? Um? I came up with a

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Speaker 1: bunch of these overrated, overrated anti heroes. I feel like

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're in a time where everyone thinks,

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Speaker 1: like just having a bad protagonist is enough. And I

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Speaker 1: think what we've learned is that because of either something

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Speaker 1: innate to how storytelling works or because of how Western

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Speaker 1: culture has indoctrinated us, like there's no anti heroes. They're

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Speaker 1: just the heroes. Everyone fucking loves these people, even though

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Speaker 1: they're quote unquote bad up to and including Mr President.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's, oh, we love to hate him. We

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Speaker 1: love to hate him. I think I'm in love with

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Speaker 1: this man. That's what happens. It's so entertaining. My classic

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Speaker 1: example is like every it's like Matthew Weiner can say

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Speaker 1: whatever the funk he wants about who he thinks Don

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Speaker 1: Draper is. The reality is people men, especially like want

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Speaker 1: to be Don Draper. And it's like it didn't the

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Speaker 1: message and take It's like this is about how funked

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Speaker 1: up this generation is not really Yeah, John Hamm is

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Speaker 1: the voice of like all luxury goods from now until

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Speaker 1: like every people just forget that. I mean it's like

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Speaker 1: if if we forget like again, I'm going to this

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Speaker 1: well twice in one sentence already, But it's like if

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Speaker 1: John Hamm, we're less handsome, Don Draper becomes Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: Like that's exactly who that person becomes. So it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, other overrated, a sociopath who's empty on the inside, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and who thinks he's who's like is like hiding something

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Speaker 1: but like needs to be better than everyone else. And

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Speaker 1: it's a hurt, wounded little boy. Yeah. And like in

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Speaker 1: Breaking Bad, when I remember when Skyler like started having

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Speaker 1: completely reasonable objections to her husband, to her husband's being

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Speaker 1: it's like we want that narrative to continue, and we

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Speaker 1: fucking lots of people in this stupidest town will argue

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Speaker 1: that narrative is innate but to human experience, but like

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Speaker 1: it's like I was arguing about this the other day.

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Speaker 1: It's like Breaking Bad is an interesting show if Jesse

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Speaker 1: Pinkmin is a young Latino kid and it's told from

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Speaker 1: his perspective, right, Not that I know people love it,

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Speaker 1: but it's a better show in that case. Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that out the air man. We got something,

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Speaker 1: um here some what's under underrated corporate wokeness. I know

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's good, but I think it's underrated.

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Speaker 1: So like anytime corporations do the right thing for a

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, I will take it. And it's not

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Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's just like it's a like a third

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Speaker 1: this as the right thing to do, and so we

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Speaker 1: for us to do it, but it's still a powerful thing.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I'll take it again. Progress it's

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Speaker 1: capitalism working. Yeah, yeah, that's when capitalism works. Um, so underrated,

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Speaker 1: have a whole podcast of you just doing over underrated things.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a podcast somewhere right. I can I

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Speaker 1: funny that I wrote down. Is overrated is how well

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Speaker 1: all of us think we're going to do in a

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Speaker 1: nuclear war? And underrated pestilence the horseman. I think he

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Speaker 1: when the apocalypse do come, most of us are going

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Speaker 1: to succumb to pestilence. YEA, none of the other ship.

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Speaker 1: a war or death or famine. Pestilence it drives up

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Speaker 1: eat younger nails. I was just listening to, Uh they're

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Speaker 1: reading an article about the Cuban missile crisis, and like

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Speaker 1: they were briefing JFK about like the horrifying things that

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Speaker 1: all gonna die. Yeah all right, yeah, yeah, um hey,

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Speaker 1: speaking of this uh crazy town that we live in,

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Speaker 1: we are currently in week two of the Harvey Weinstein

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Speaker 1: he was basically a very systematized serial offender. Uh. All

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Speaker 1: weird system. Uh. And it turns out Gwyneth Paltrow experienced

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is up with these people? Their silence

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Speaker 1: a window that you have to hit before you aren't

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Speaker 1: thing is like this is hugely atypical, and like a

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Speaker 1: Um no, but they they're coming out with their own

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Speaker 1: personal stories, you know, of ship that has happened to

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Speaker 1: them in this town. Like it's not it's not common

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Speaker 1: so there's a real calculus among public figures of you know,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying this is right, but it's like, look,

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Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, everyone's a coward, but everyone is

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Speaker 1: because it's like whatever conversations Clinton you know, and her

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Speaker 1: exact same conversation Trump had to have about neo Nazis, Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like, wow, this will blow over, Like we don't

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Speaker 1: of course we don't like the neo Nazis, but like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that maybe this will blow over, like

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Speaker 1: It's like he was hoping, just like Clinton and Obama,

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Speaker 1: charlotte Ville would blow over it. But I still don't

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Speaker 1: I'm like it's bad, right, I mean, I have a

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Speaker 1: every public figure. But it's also like like not justifying.

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Speaker 1: But there is like a good slippery slope that we're on,

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Speaker 1: which hopefully ends with equality. But we're currently on a

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Speaker 1: slippery slope where many people who we like very much

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Speaker 1: all these documents and it's just crazy when you look

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Speaker 1: inside the Red Cross, like the things that they're worried

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Speaker 1: about and the things that they uh spend money on

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Speaker 1: our you know, basically they'll they'll spend money getting trucks

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Speaker 1: down to uh disaster. Yeah, just as like as billboards

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Speaker 1: to be like look at those red Cruss trucks right around,

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Speaker 1: and people be like, there's nothing in here, right, they

433
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Speaker 1: just like drive them back and forth to like pr

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Speaker 1: opportunities and there would be nothing in there. And that's

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Speaker 1: what they're that's what they're like to like if there

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Speaker 1: was gonna be some like on the site reporting from CNN. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's here. Let me let me play the worst kind

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Speaker 1: of Devil's advocate. I guess, um, but okay, but to

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Speaker 1: to coordinate international aid, you need an organization that is

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Speaker 1: big enough, uh to handle you know, logistics over you know,

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Speaker 1: multinational multimillion maybe billion dollar budgets and and so. Living

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Speaker 1: in the real world, we also know that like organizations

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Speaker 1: of that size are rife for corruption. But is it

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Speaker 1: possible for a smaller I mean, like, you know, I

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Speaker 1: guess the sweet spot is a constant green shoot of

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Speaker 1: disruptive briefly non corrupt NGOs that come up, become corrupted,

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Speaker 1: and someone that something else to plants them, and then

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Speaker 1: for a brief window we have actual people getting help

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Speaker 1: that they deserve at a proportional rate, but delivered efficiently

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Speaker 1: in a way that I don't know, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. It's like, like, okay, funk the Red Cross,

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Speaker 1: But most of the smaller organizations don't have the ability

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Speaker 1: to do what the Red Cross could do, even though

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Speaker 1: it's not right. I mean, maybe the thing that you

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Speaker 1: said was underrated, like corporate uh wokeness. Maybe, like I

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Speaker 1: was thinking, Okay, so Puerto Rico right now is still

457
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Speaker 1: a complete fucking disaster. This CBS reporter David big nod

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Speaker 1: Is basically specializes in going to the aftermath of disasters

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Speaker 1: and reporting on like how disaster relief is going. And

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Speaker 1: he says, this is the worst he's ever seen it,

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Speaker 1: Like and there three weeks out. He said, he's never

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Speaker 1: seen a disaster relief process going this bad three days

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Speaker 1: out and they're three weeks out, just like nobody's getting

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Speaker 1: the care they need. Uh, you know, there's all these

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Speaker 1: old people who are completely cut off from communication. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Communication really seems to be like the main thing that

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Speaker 1: they're lacking because their power infrastructure went down. So I

468
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Speaker 1: was reading that at the same time as I had

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Speaker 1: like just read a thing about how completely fucked all

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Speaker 1: these robber baron Uh, you know, tech companies and tech

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Speaker 1: CEOs are like in terms of public opinion, like basically

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Speaker 1: public opinion has been going down steadily when it comes

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Speaker 1: to Google, Facebook, Um, Apple, well so Uber they say,

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Speaker 1: is like the person is the company that started it.

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Speaker 1: They were like, oh yeah, maybe tech companies are a

476
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Speaker 1: complete sucking assholes. But so that's starting to happen, and

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Speaker 1: obviously the two thousand and sixteen election didn't help. So

478
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Speaker 1: like why like this would be a perfect opportunity for

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Speaker 1: Facebook or Google or Apple to like go down there,

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Speaker 1: Like Apples about to have a huge surplus of iPhone eight,

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Speaker 1: so like down there, why not go down there and

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Speaker 1: like hand those out to everybody and like you know

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Speaker 1: put it, like get some drones with portable WiFi towers

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Speaker 1: and you know send those all across the island Like

485
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Speaker 1: that that's the sort of thing that you would get

486
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Speaker 1: so much credit for and like that would be good

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Speaker 1: for your bottom line. And I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: like a lack of imagination or like, uh yeah, lack

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Speaker 1: of just genuinely wanting to do because like a priority,

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Speaker 1: Jesla has quietly been going down there. They're they've been

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Speaker 1: using their batteries and like to help actually give give

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Speaker 1: people some like power and remote like that. But they're

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Speaker 1: not trying to be like, hey, we're down here, just

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Speaker 1: a thing that's been happening. But yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: why anyone else is just But I mean I think

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Speaker 1: that that's like where the corporate wokeness comes in. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the that's like, you know, from fucking Elon Musk's perspective,

498
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Speaker 1: like this disaster is also like opportunity. Well it's it's

499
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Speaker 1: like the best R and D lab you could find.

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Speaker 1: It's like how good are our batteries really? And you know,

501
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Speaker 1: since he's making cars instead of something virtual that only

502
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: depends on PR He's like, well we should test these

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Speaker 1: in a disaster area. So it's like a win win

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Speaker 1: win for for those guys. But also right, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if they're helping people, I guess welcome to the fucking team, right,

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Speaker 1: But I mean they have so much money, like just

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Speaker 1: throwing a little bit towards disaster really or just be

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Speaker 1: a fucking drop, like a rounding error for them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still confused as to how the public outrage still

510
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Speaker 1: hasn't quite gotten there. And I think because from every

511
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Speaker 1: angle they're trying to well, I mean it's because we

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Speaker 1: don't care about brown people, like as a on this

513
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: podcast especially very hard. It's very hard being on this podcast.

514
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: I do mean this podcast America. I mean, look, so

515
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: this is the big hole. Like right after the election,

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Speaker 1: I I remember a thing that you know, I and

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Speaker 1: many many other people. Um, we're talking about like act locally, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: if you're feeling disenfranchised by the federal government, do what

519
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Speaker 1: you can in your in your community. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: help help people if you are afraid that I don't

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Speaker 1: know totally hypothetically, like the Trump administration is going to

522
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Speaker 1: attack trans folks, you can also help transfolks in the

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Speaker 1: community that you live in. Right. So that was my

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Speaker 1: party line a little bit, and it is a thing.

525
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Speaker 1: But the big shortcoming in that is like sometimes you

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Speaker 1: need a big, bureaucratic, measured response to a thing like

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Speaker 1: a natural disaster, which is like, yes, everyone in Puerto

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Speaker 1: Rico can help their neighbor, but that doesn't help. They

529
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Speaker 1: can't they can't plaude your water at a thinner like

530
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: drinking water is a huge issue. Yeah, So that's why

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00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: this matters. I guess. Yeah. Well, and it's and it

532
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: also yeah, like you said, if it's our pattern of

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Speaker 1: like if the victims are brown or whatever, like there

534
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: isn't much outcry like if the victims are brown, let

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Speaker 1: them drown. If the are white, but yeah, I mean

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00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: same like Flint the Flint Water Ship, It's like, yeah,

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00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: everything you see like just a bunch of disenfranchised people

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00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: of color who are being poison And it's kind of

539
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you know, fucking in ten years, someone's

540
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: gonna maybe go to jail or pay a fine for this,

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00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: and then in fifteen years there's going to be an

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00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Oscar winning movie about it. Right, It's like yeah. Um.

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00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: And also the Red Cross, we should say, is fucking

544
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Speaker 1: up Harvey relief. Uh So, even even in where they're

545
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: where they're white people that the media cares about, the

546
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: Red Cross is still doing their thing of fucking things

547
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: up and like, uh, doing things just for show. The

548
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: Red Cross is basically a pr agency for the Red Cross.

549
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Like that's what your money goes to a lot of

550
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: the time. Um, I mean, look, Silicon Valley, if you're

551
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: so like if you're really such outside the box, thinkers

552
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: like fucking disrupt the aid like industry. Right, let's see,

553
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: and that is a that is a rhetorical thing I'm

554
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: saying because we know that you can't do it. Just like. Look,

555
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: you're just a bunch of young white guys fucking um

556
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: running businesses that a bunch of old white guys a

557
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: k a. Wall Street has rewarded currently. But like, there's

558
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: nothing magic about what you do. I said it. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go to a quick break and we'll be

560
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Speaker 1: right back and we're back. Um, So, Andrew, what's up? Uh?

561
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: You are as the host of a podcast about racism. Uh,

562
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: you have been known to confront a troll or two.

563
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah on, and you have a patented eight part technique

564
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: called control where you learn, where you teach people how

565
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: to deal with trolls. Oh my god. You. I like

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Speaker 1: how you're pushing my improv skill still, because if I

567
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Speaker 1: were good, what I would start with his? Al Right,

568
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Speaker 1: first of all, see context. I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: have anything that in depth, but I do so, especially

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Speaker 1: well more than the podcast. Actually, the website is racist

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Speaker 1: dot com check out. Thank you for letting me get

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Speaker 1: that natural plug in. Um, Actually we're gonna edit that out,

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Speaker 1: Nick Mark that Okay, the website is where we're basically

574
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Speaker 1: I I say, like, hey asked me if something is racist,

575
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: which is like prime troll bait. Um So. But so

576
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Speaker 1: the a couple of things about arguing with trolls is

577
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Speaker 1: like I first got into arguing with racist trolls, but

578
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Speaker 1: I think it's that's a little redundant now. Um through

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Speaker 1: right after college, I was like spending a lot of

580
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: time arguing with creationists on the internet, and it's like

581
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: all the same tactics. Um So, it's like a tried

582
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: and true tactic employed by troll So the big yeah, yeah,

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00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: So the big one that I found, um started as

584
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: like a debate technique but works probably arguably even better online,

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Speaker 1: which is the thing called the Gish gallop, or called

586
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: by creationist fighters called the Gift gallop, which is after

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Speaker 1: this guy Dwayne Gish, who was like a big time

588
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Speaker 1: creationist and he's one of the guys that will like

589
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: try to debate people like really calls out scientists, I

590
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: want to debate the theory of evolution, and his tactic

591
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: is basically like pack so many lies into your sentence

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: that like it is it by the time you refute

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00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: every untrue thing he said, you sound like a sputtering idiot.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is like from the Rules of debate,

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00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: where everyone has like two minutes to talk, right, so

596
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: he can in his two minutes say so many things

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00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: that are attacks but are factually incorrect or factually just honest,

598
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: but you cannot refute them all, like you are either

599
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: like have to speed talk and you sound like defensive

600
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: or it's just logically impossible to like get to it.

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Speaker 1: Like wasn't there a point in the Trump Clinton debates

602
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Speaker 1: where she at one point was just like there's so

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00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: many things wrong with that that like I don't even

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Speaker 1: know where to be something even I mean kind of

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Speaker 1: like she did the best thing you can do, I think,

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Speaker 1: but it's still doesn't work that well, which is like

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Speaker 1: she's like there's so many lives in that go to

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton dot com slash blah blah blah, and it's

609
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Speaker 1: like that looks or yeah, that looks so weak and

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00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: like rhetorically even though it is like like so so

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Speaker 1: my and who my theory in this, because I get

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Speaker 1: a lot of people submitting to your ass racist that

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00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: It's like the model is like false premise, create a

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00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: straw man out of like a perversion of something I've

615
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: said in the past, um, some kind of other lie conclusion,

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Speaker 1: aren't you the real racist? And so the two and

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Speaker 1: you know on yours, this's racist. I have the luxury

618
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: of okay, if I really want to, what I can

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Speaker 1: do is bang out a thousand words in response to

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00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: their like to sentence, you know, question um and and

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Speaker 1: really try to like comprehensively take them down. But even

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00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: that is like so much fucking work. Like it's like

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Speaker 1: you have to check your work. You have to make

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Speaker 1: sure you refuted everything is that, you have to make

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00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: sure your ship is bulletproof. And it's like it's like

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00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: just the you know, you'd reach the heat death of

627
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: the universe trying to refute every lie. So my tactic

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00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: for that is really just like, uh, this is intellectually dishonest,

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Speaker 1: but rhetorically effective, I find, which is to pick out

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00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: the one, the most obvious lie or logical error they've made,

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00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: highlight that, and then return with some sort of insults

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Speaker 1: an example of what someone would say to you and

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00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 1: then how you would So the one that I get

634
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: frequently is like, um, you know, well, black people commit

635
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: uh disproportionate amount of crime and so right, like the

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00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: the as then that's often an opening premise and so

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Speaker 1: like it's complex. But you know, so your response is

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Speaker 1: something along the lines of like, well, controlling for socioeconomic

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Speaker 1: factors and education levels and blah blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah, you know, along with the history of racism,

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Speaker 1: like inequal like policing. Um, this is why you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of ship that even sounds weak. You

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Speaker 1: already exactly like that's that's Dick said, there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: any Yeah, so so I mean really it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you have to pick out something from there. It's like

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Speaker 1: like yeah, again intellectually dishonest, but it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry that you don't know what you know, controlling

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Speaker 1: for a variable? Is you dumb motherfucker? You know, Like

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Speaker 1: and then and then oftentimes I like to to take

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Speaker 1: a thing, um, you know, twist twist a racist word

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Speaker 1: or twist a racist like line of thoughts. So I

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Speaker 1: I might might go to I probably know it a

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Speaker 1: little too much, but I really like it, which is like, um,

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Speaker 1: just saying something along the lines of like, are all

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Speaker 1: white people. This bad at um logic or is it

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Speaker 1: just like the white is it just the white community,

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Speaker 1: or do you think it's an innate genetic problem with

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Speaker 1: white people, you know, something something along those lines, like

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Speaker 1: fucking like like pull, you know, and and it's wrong,

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: and but it's just like kind of the only way

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Speaker 1: to like break the cycle of troll is you kind

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00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: of have to go a little bit back. Um. And

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00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: then my other method, this is more Twitter based. I

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Speaker 1: find it entertaining, but the degree of difficulty is really high,

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Speaker 1: and I've I've funked this up a lot as an

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00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: elite level troll control movie and I'm not even there.

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00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I feel like I have like a

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Speaker 1: ten PC like complete success on this, but go play

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00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: as dumb as humanly fucking possible. So just like if

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Speaker 1: it's like if someone comes at you and it's like, well,

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00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, the Confederate flag is really so the Civil

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00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: War was really about states rights, not racism and or

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00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: not slavery, and it's like sorry, states rights to do what?

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Speaker 1: And then they're like, well, you know it's really economic based,

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00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh yeah, the economy of what, And

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00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: you really have to hold the line and and it's

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Speaker 1: ideally works actually if you're less confrontational than the tone

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Speaker 1: I just put forth and just give them as much

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Speaker 1: rope as possible. But you really have to like devote

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00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: an afternoon to this, Like it's really a humongous waste

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Speaker 1: of time. And for me, at best, what I get

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Speaker 1: out of it is a hilarious screenshot where they say like, well,

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00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: so we all know like black people are less, you know,

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Speaker 1: less intelligent, and I it's like, is it worth it?

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00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Is it kind of fun? Sometimes? Is it

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00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: soul destroying? You know? I I the real thing is

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00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 1: like, like like just mute them, let them scream into the void.

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Speaker 1: The best I got, yeah, it was that, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: because when I first started the website, I would answer

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00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot more trolls and someone just wrote in one

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Speaker 1: time I was like, hey, man, you know if you

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Speaker 1: just delete them, they're just screaming into the void. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I know, it's I should do

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Speaker 1: that more. But we're all weak and you can't see

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Speaker 1: that you muted them, so they are literally like wasting

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Speaker 1: their time yelling at you. Yeah, but you know what,

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Speaker 1: and and that's why I at the same time. I

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Speaker 1: I'd like to to like argue with trolls, but when

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00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I see other people do it, that's always an eye roll.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I would say, but yeah, try I

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Speaker 1: would say that, especially if you get frustrated. I think

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Speaker 1: the gish gallop is like a thing that people get

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Speaker 1: a lot and it's like, well, well, you know, I

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Speaker 1: how could you? How could you say all these things?

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00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: And it's like, just don't just just pick the one

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Speaker 1: most obvious mistake and then call him a fucking idiot

707
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: like you have to, don't. I don't try and peg

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00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: them all down. That's so good. Well, we have so

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00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: much more to talk about, but I think we're out

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: of time because that was just too much fun. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn has dreadlocks and Maala had her first day

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Speaker 1: of lectures at Oxford. Those are the happy stories we

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Speaker 1: were going to go out on. Malla. Also, her first

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Speaker 1: day of lectures happened to be on the four year

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Speaker 1: anniversary of or five year anniversary of her getting shot

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Speaker 1: in the face, So uh, that's uplifting tail for all

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Speaker 1: of us. Exactly it actually is. But still yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Lynn's ship locks their their heartwarming just if I

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Speaker 1: can get the one one uh one fucking thing in there.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hey, fellow Asian people, just I mean, fucking

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Speaker 1: let's let's acknowledge some of the ship that we get,

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Speaker 1: but also particularly like millionaire, Harvard educated rich Asian people,

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Speaker 1: let's let's just fucking no know where you're at fucking

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Speaker 1: as Yeah, Andrew, thank you so much. This is a

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00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of fun. They'll definitely have you back. Where can

726
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: people follow you? Uh go to you know, is this racist?

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00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: That's like an easy place to find me. I'm also

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Speaker 1: on Twitter andrew t last name, it's called t I.

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Speaker 1: I know this doesn't actually matter, but it is all

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Speaker 1: caps that not enough miles. Where can people find you?

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Speaker 1: You can find me at miles of grade g R

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Speaker 1: A Y you know, wherever wherever social media is sold.

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Speaker 1: And you can find me at Jack Underscore O'Brien on Twitter. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow us at daily Zeygeist on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: at the Daily Zygeist on Instagram, and uh we have

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Speaker 1: a Facebook page as well, The Daily's case. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. Miles catch phrase do you have

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