WEBVTT - Ep 92: James Acaster

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<v Speaker 1>There's a turd in Saturday. You can't go there.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey all, you cool cats and kittens. Welcome to Midnight

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<v Speaker 2>Chats and episode ninety two, here with James Acaster as

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<v Speaker 2>tonight's guest. This is an episode that I recorded a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago. Actually actually maybe more than that, because

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<v Speaker 2>it was before quarantine. It was before the lockdown and

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<v Speaker 2>coronavirus had really taken a hold, So yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>of a freer time when I met James and we

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<v Speaker 2>originally we met up to discuss a new podcast we

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<v Speaker 2>would have launched by now. It's been a little bit delayed,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is coming now on the twenty fourth of April,

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<v Speaker 2>James Acaster's Perfect Sounds. It is a podcast version of

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<v Speaker 2>his book that you might be aware of, which was

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<v Speaker 2>called Perfect Sound Whatever, and that was a book of

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<v Speaker 2>his favorite albums from the year twenty sixteen. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole story about why twenty six which we get into

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in this podcast to fill you in

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<v Speaker 2>on that. James had a really terrible twenty seventeen, which

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<v Speaker 2>happened from the very beginning of the year when in

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<v Speaker 2>January he was dumped by his girlfriend. So to get

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<v Speaker 2>over this heartbreak and there were some other things going

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<v Speaker 2>on in his career. I believe he went and listened

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<v Speaker 2>to all the new music that he could find on

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<v Speaker 2>those end of year lists that were still floating around

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<v Speaker 2>from twenty sixteen, and he became completely obsessed by the

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<v Speaker 2>music on these lists. He has bought now to day,

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<v Speaker 2>at this point in time, he has bought over six

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<v Speaker 2>hundred albums from the year twenty sixteen, and he's written

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<v Speaker 2>the book about it, and now he's making this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>about it, which, as I say, starts on the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourth of April on the BBC Sounds app. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you know loads of James's work. He's got incredible Netflix special.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've not seen that, I'd really recommend it Parter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible. It's very clever, very smart stand up comedy.

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<v Speaker 2>And he has his own podcast as well as this

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<v Speaker 2>new one which he hosts with Ed Gamble, the comedian

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<v Speaker 2>Ed Gamble, which is where we start the conversation. I

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<v Speaker 2>put a load of links in the description of this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast because there's a hell of a lot of music

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<v Speaker 2>that he talks about, loads of stuff, loads of obscure things,

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<v Speaker 2>and just include a few of those that's all you

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<v Speaker 2>the meantime. This is James Acaster on Midnight Chat number

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<v Speaker 2>ninety two. You would have been told this fact today,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, but we're currently in the we're in the

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<v Speaker 2>basement of a restaurant. But this used to be the

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<v Speaker 2>live lounge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, for radio, so it pretty mad to think about it, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's a restaurant now and called Caravan, and

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<v Speaker 1>downstairs he this was the live lounge and then sold

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<v Speaker 1>it to Caravan, and then they still let us come

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<v Speaker 1>in here and record if we want to. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here to talk about a new podcast. But your

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<v Speaker 2>podcast you do with edes off menu, what's the setup

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<v Speaker 2>like that? I'm guessing you don't record that in the

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<v Speaker 2>basement of Caravan.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't go to the live lounge to do that. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>we just record it wherever we can sometimes wherever that

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<v Speaker 1>it is best for the guests, and the setting is

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<v Speaker 1>always the same, which is the dream restaurant. So wherever

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<v Speaker 1>we are, we just set it in the guests dream

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<v Speaker 1>setting for a meal.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done like fifty odd of those now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's done a lot, yeah, coaching fifty Yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to be going very well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been really fun. I'm really glad that. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you start off a podcast at because it's a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>that you have with your mate all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you're like, well, let's do a podcast about it now.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're always talking about what our favorite dishes are

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<v Speaker 1>that we've ever had anywhere, So when it was If

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<v Speaker 1>we're having that conversation, may as well continue to have

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<v Speaker 1>it and record it, and you don't expect anyone else

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to it, and it's really nice when they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone seems to get into it. Yeah, that you've had

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<v Speaker 2>from the ones I've listened to, everyone's yeah, like up

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<v Speaker 2>for it. If you had anyone who's like, maybe not

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<v Speaker 2>not been as keen, there's to go with it.

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<v Speaker 1>One episode that hasn't come out yet. There is coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think in this series, but maybe in the

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<v Speaker 1>next series where I clash with the guests in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is unanticipated and so apparent and obvious. That

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm fine saying it, because people will when

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the episode, you'll know which one it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not that they don't go with the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually more than happy to talk about food, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not happy to go with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay. He was just someone that you.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never met him before, you're not met him before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an old boy.

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<v Speaker 1>He did not like, he did not really get why

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<v Speaker 1>I was pretending to be a genie and pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be a waiter, and he did not understand what my

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<v Speaker 1>sense of humor was and so very much. He bodied

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<v Speaker 1>up with had on that and they were friends, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was My confidence evaporates almost instantly, and then even

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<v Speaker 1>more so as the episode goes on. So it will

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<v Speaker 1>be very obvious which one that is okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's coming up soon?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it ex Well, it's coming out in I think

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the fourth series. Okay one, the third series as

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<v Speaker 1>we speak now, I don't think it's in this series.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's going to be in the next You've

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<v Speaker 1>recorded a lot in advance.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even want I'm not even going to ask

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<v Speaker 2>you who it is. I'm gonna no.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more fun to just yeah, find it, Yeah, and absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, because it will be it's so obvious. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>if if you isn't a one in your unsure, I think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's that one. It's not that one. That one

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<v Speaker 1>was fine, and it's just you thinking that I had

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<v Speaker 1>more of an awkward time than I did. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>very obvious which one it is.

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<v Speaker 2>There's that podcast, but you're about to launch this new podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>which is essentially why we're here. Yes, it's like the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast version of your book which was called perfect Perfect

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds whatever. Yes, podcast has dropped or whatever, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just Perfect Sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? Yeah? So that the book's called Perfect Sound whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and the podcast is called Perfect Sounds James Acaster's Perfect Sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's all about me deciding that twenty sixteen is

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest year for music of all time. And I

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<v Speaker 1>decide that because I've become obsessed with it, because in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, I have a bad personal year, and I

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<v Speaker 1>deal with that by obsessively buying music from the previous

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<v Speaker 1>year twenty sixteen, And I now own over six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>albums that came out that year, and so I can't

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<v Speaker 1>deny it's the greatest year.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just found the most amount of albums that

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<v Speaker 1>I like, for you know, there's no other year in

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<v Speaker 1>history where I have that many albums that I love. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And like you know, there's like all the albums I've bought,

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<v Speaker 1>I like them, but then there's you know, hundreds that

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<v Speaker 1>I love within that, and so you can't then go, now,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not that Nah, I'm going to say that nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one is because everyone else says that, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to look stupid, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>agree with everyone and say, no, yeah, it's not in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one, because all those albums come out when really

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<v Speaker 1>I don't listen to those albums. The albums that I

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<v Speaker 1>love and that I'm most obsessed with that all came

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<v Speaker 1>out in one year are the twenty sixteen Once. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that the big message to all music fans,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, is stop worrying about other music fans

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<v Speaker 1>thinking you're cool, because those are not the people who

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<v Speaker 1>really love music. They don't matter. Ignore those people. They're

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<v Speaker 1>being on the message boards, they're having a great time

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<v Speaker 1>on there. Meanwhile, none of them are connecting to anything

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<v Speaker 1>proper and actually enjoying themselves and getting what you're meant

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<v Speaker 1>to get out of music, which is a strong personal

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<v Speaker 1>connection to it. And there's the social connection as well

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<v Speaker 1>to music, which is great. Being in a room full

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<v Speaker 1>of people who all like the same band, watching that

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<v Speaker 1>band live and singing along together feels like church. It's great,

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<v Speaker 1>and I appreciate that as well. But the dream is

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<v Speaker 1>the crossover the two you've listened to an album, you've

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<v Speaker 1>connected with it, you've obsessed over it. You go and

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<v Speaker 1>see that band. Everyone's like minded and the same wen

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<v Speaker 1>you all sing along, not academically, just going around the

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<v Speaker 1>internet going on what's the best year of music? Okay? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that one actually saying that with each other? No? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the best? Is subjective?

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<v Speaker 2>I should say favorite really Okay, but yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're right. I think not enough people discover new stuff

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>You started to listen to just contextualize this that for

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<v Speaker 2>people that maybe haven't read the book or don't know

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<v Speaker 2>about this podcast. As you say, twenty seventeen was.

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<v Speaker 1>A bad year. Yeah, just for me personally, and and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was bad at the beginning, right because this is where

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<v Speaker 2>this is why, this is why twenty sixteen happens, because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of end of year lists were still around

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<v Speaker 2>for like the best of twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're still there now and they never get raised

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<v Speaker 1>off the internet. That's the beauty of a project like this.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll always have the resources there. But yeah, they'd all

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<v Speaker 1>gone up at the end of the end of twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, in twenty sixteen, I'd started to pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to come a music again, for like over a

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<v Speaker 1>decade bothered. No, for about a decade, I'd mainly just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, got into I'd get into new albums, but

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<v Speaker 1>there were albums from way back when people were recommending me,

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<v Speaker 1>going oh, yeah, have you heard you know whatever this

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<v Speaker 1>album from the seventies or some really obscure, weird album.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll buy those and get into that. But I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>off modern music. I thought nothing goods getting made now,

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<v Speaker 1>and every now and again, i'd you know, buy something

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<v Speaker 1>that was current, but it'd have to be really heavily

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<v Speaker 1>recommended to me. And in twenty sixteen, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>year kicked off in January with David Bowie dying Black

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<v Speaker 1>Star coming out, and suddenly everyone paid attention to that

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<v Speaker 1>album and was like, oh my god, this is album's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's talking about death and about being dead, but also

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<v Speaker 1>musically he really was pushing himself right to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really avn't gard jazz rock album, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't like stuff he had done in the past, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is incredible. And like so I remember, like people

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that, I think, okay, that sounds cool, but

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<v Speaker 1>in my cynical brain going like, just because he died Star, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only reason you guys are saying it, so

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<v Speaker 1>I could have ignored it. And then Lemonade came out

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<v Speaker 1>later on in the year, and it wasn't just hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>Beyonce fans that were loving that. It was like music

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<v Speaker 1>snobs were going, no, actually, this is this is a

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<v Speaker 1>really properly good album. She's not just done a few singles.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole album's great, and there's a visual album to

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<v Speaker 1>go with it, and she's really thought about thematically. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing ties together, and like, you know, all my

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<v Speaker 1>social media was are washed with people going nuts for it,

0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I haven't seen this happen in

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<v Speaker 1>a while, with like a really mainstream pop artist and

0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.400
<v Speaker 1>everyone going crazy about an album they've done. And then

0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Frank Coshan released Blonde in August, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember this. I was hearing that nish Kuma, a friend

0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.600
<v Speaker 1>of mine and comedian, was playing it around the flat

0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.800
<v Speaker 1>we were living in at the time, and I assumed,

0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.600
<v Speaker 1>you know that it was playing Ivy, the second track

0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:33.880
<v Speaker 1>on the album. As for what an amazing song, and

0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.720
<v Speaker 1>surely this has just passed me by. It's probably a

0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.160
<v Speaker 1>song from way back when, and I'm old and I'm

0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.000
<v Speaker 1>out of touch and whatever. And I said to Nisch,

0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:43.839
<v Speaker 1>what's this? He said, it was released today. It's by

0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Frank Oshin. It's his new album, and the album's amazing.

0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.559
<v Speaker 1>And then seeing everyone evangelizing about that album online, I

0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.400
<v Speaker 1>was like, maybe I've been wrong about current music and

0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I should engage with it a bit more. So I

0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.800
<v Speaker 1>started to read those ends of year lists when you know,

0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:00.320
<v Speaker 1>November on woulds they start kind of like slowly December,

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<v Speaker 1>there's loads of them. And then in January twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>where my relationship broke up, I instantly retreated to the

0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.400
<v Speaker 1>most recent thing that had brought me comfort, which was

0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.720
<v Speaker 1>listening to these albums, which is reading those lists, buy

0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a new music and listening to those albums. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I continue to do that until I you know, the

0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.040
<v Speaker 1>plan was just like just every time you feel sad,

0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.760
<v Speaker 1>just do that. Pretty much all that year I felt sad,

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<v Speaker 1>So every single night it was obsessively by an albums,

0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.640
<v Speaker 1>six or seven albums a night sometimes, and you know,

0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.480
<v Speaker 1>finding the time to listen to them, going back to

0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.760
<v Speaker 1>some more than others, and that kind of you know,

0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.839
<v Speaker 1>it's gradually got less and less as time has gone

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<v Speaker 1>on and the reason for doing it has become different.

0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going on it every time I feel sad. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>If I do do it, i'm doing it out of

0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.000
<v Speaker 1>curiosity because someone's recommended me something. But it just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of continued even past twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you still doing it now?

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<v Speaker 1>I found an album last night that I really like,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was when I have to look at this

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone because I don't know how to pronounce

0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the name. It's a really weird like electronic, kind of

0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.360
<v Speaker 1>noisy electronic album. We spoken word over the top of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's by mplex E Double M P l E k Z.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called rook to t N thirty four and it's

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<v Speaker 1>this Guy.

0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:21.520
<v Speaker 2>That's a good title.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a good title. And it's this weird

0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:29.520
<v Speaker 1>electronic like little soundscapes in the background, I think, but

0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like horrible grumpy noises and this guy over the top

0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.040
<v Speaker 1>going there's a turd in Saturday. You can't go there,

0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.880
<v Speaker 1>but it an identified arm in the bagging area and

0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.880
<v Speaker 1>saying stuff like that over the top of it. I

0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.600
<v Speaker 1>was absolutely on board for this.

0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:46.959
<v Speaker 2>I'm on board for this.

0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great, and it is also a lot of time,

0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.240
<v Speaker 1>it becomes stuff where you go, If I'm buying this

0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.880
<v Speaker 1>much music from one year and an album like that,

0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't just ignore that. An album that is like that,

0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.800
<v Speaker 1>and that is a man to talking like that over me.

0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:04.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't go, Well, I'm meant to be the foremost,

0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, the main number one scholar on twenty sixteen music,

0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:10.920
<v Speaker 1>but I'll ignore the album. We're a guy saying there's

0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.000
<v Speaker 1>no turd in Saturday over the top of a weird

0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:17.520
<v Speaker 1>electronic you know, little horrible keyboard noise. So yeah, I

0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:18.240
<v Speaker 1>had to buy it.

0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and what's your been your policy? I feel

0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.360
<v Speaker 2>I have to ask this post twenty sixteen.

0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh?

0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Any interesting twenty seventeen to now.

0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely I've bought more music from twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,

0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen than I have in any year before twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how's it stacking up?

0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Six? Not as many?

0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Doing quality?

0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Quality wise? Well, I guess it's all relative, because

0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like I've bought less albums from each year. Yeah, so

0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've not I've definitely not exceeded one hundred

0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:50.760
<v Speaker 1>mark in any of those years since, probably not even

0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.880
<v Speaker 1>exceeded the fifty mark. But maybe I've been nudging fifty

0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:58.080
<v Speaker 1>on each year that I've bought. But I'd say that

0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:04.160
<v Speaker 1>each year, I've ended up with between you know, two

0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.920
<v Speaker 1>or five albums that are gonna stay with me for

0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:10.680
<v Speaker 1>a very long time and some of them will become

0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.920
<v Speaker 1>my favorites of all time. And uh yeah, twenty sixteen,

0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:20.320
<v Speaker 1>there's like hundreds of those. But like, I still think

0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that's that's more than I was finding each year before.

0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, But before I did this project, at the

0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:27.720
<v Speaker 1>end of every year, it wasn't like I've got a

0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.400
<v Speaker 1>new album that came out this year that is now

0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna stay with me for hrases and become one of

0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.520
<v Speaker 1>my favorite albums. That wasn't happening. So I wasn't looking

0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:37.640
<v Speaker 1>for anything. And now that I am engaged more, you know.

0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:42.280
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, I found Hope by Shemir, amazing album.

0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.600
<v Speaker 1>It's one of my favorite albums ever. In twenty eighteen,

0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to Everything's Fine by Geene Gray and

0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Kuile Cris. That's one of my favorite albums ever, you know,

0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.280
<v Speaker 1>And like twenty nineteen, I'm trying to think about what

0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.680
<v Speaker 1>the album was that I would have said was my

0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.640
<v Speaker 1>favorite one of last year. I mean, I know there

0:15:57.680 --> 0:15:59.560
<v Speaker 1>was a lot, so it's really, this is really gonna

0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.320
<v Speaker 1>annoy me and I'm gonna cut and I come away

0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:02.760
<v Speaker 1>from this and go, why didn't you just say that

0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.600
<v Speaker 1>album which is clearly your favorite? But there was a

0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:09.640
<v Speaker 1>lot last year. There was the Clipping album that came

0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:10.520
<v Speaker 1>out last year was.

0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, the one, the Blood, the Blood one.

0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.160
<v Speaker 1>There exist There existed an Addiction to Blood and it

0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.120
<v Speaker 1>was like a horrorcore wrap album and that really blew

0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:19.520
<v Speaker 1>my mind.

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.080
<v Speaker 2>And did you hear their record from twenty sixteen?

0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I did. I Got a Splendor of Misery from twenty

0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.840
<v Speaker 1>sixteen and their EP Wriggle that came out in twenty sixteen,

0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:31.000
<v Speaker 1>So they released two projects, and yeah, really like those.

0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I'd say I'd love that Existed to Blood even more

0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:36.160
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's like more focused. But I love

0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.680
<v Speaker 1>that they released a concept album in twenty sixteen set

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.560
<v Speaker 1>in the future about astronaut who's a slave who escapes

0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.520
<v Speaker 1>the slave ship and flees across the vastest of space

0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.119
<v Speaker 1>and falls in love with the ship that he hijacks

0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.240
<v Speaker 1>and they have a relationship together. I think It's amazing

0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that they released that album and incorporated like spirituals and

0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff into the album as well. There's a lot of

0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.160
<v Speaker 1>great hooks in it. Dabby Diggs was an amazing rapper,

0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.000
<v Speaker 1>so that was what got me into that band. Was

0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.520
<v Speaker 1>so through that got into a whole band and continue

0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.440
<v Speaker 1>to follow their career, which is again something I wasn't

0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.600
<v Speaker 1>doing before doing this project. I wasn't following bands careers

0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.520
<v Speaker 1>as they happen and evolve. I was going back and

0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.480
<v Speaker 1>finding dead bands and finding what they were up to.

0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.479
<v Speaker 1>Now I can anticipate albums, which is a great feeling.

0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.879
<v Speaker 2>What were you So, what were you when you grew up?

0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.240
<v Speaker 2>What were you growing up listening to?

0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.679
<v Speaker 1>Way back well when I was in primary school. So

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I got into music pretty early on for going to

0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.120
<v Speaker 1>church and stuff. I'm not religious anymore, but I was

0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:41.840
<v Speaker 1>raising a Christian family and going to church. There was

0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.800
<v Speaker 1>a like a rock band church, one of those churches,

0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.560
<v Speaker 1>like a hip call church, a hip called church, and

0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:52.159
<v Speaker 1>people are kind of like you, pretty breezey Christians. And

0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I loved watching the band and the drummer especially, and

0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I started learning drums when I was seven. I remember

0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.359
<v Speaker 1>like first into music was like, you know, all the

0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.159
<v Speaker 1>big popular songs that everyone knows and that are funny

0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:10.199
<v Speaker 1>as well, Like music had to be slightly funny. So

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.920
<v Speaker 1>like down Under, that down Under song by men at Work,

0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I just found it hilarious and so I loved it.

0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.399
<v Speaker 1>I loved rocking all over the world because the idea

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:23.200
<v Speaker 1>of rocking all over the world was mad, Like there's

0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.560
<v Speaker 1>the thing, what that would be high host silver lining?

0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I loved it, you know, and songs like that. Obviously,

0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I loved in the Jungle, the Mighty Jungle. I'm not

0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.920
<v Speaker 1>made of stone, so like, you know, stuff like that

0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.879
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And then like kind of starting in

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.240
<v Speaker 1>primary school, I was loving this pop music. I really

0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.080
<v Speaker 1>loved whatever was in the charts, you know. I was

0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Aquard Dr Jones and Barbie Girl, who not many people

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.520
<v Speaker 1>would leave with Doctor Jones, but that was my favorite

0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:50.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the two.

0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.240
<v Speaker 2>That's a deep cut for the real Aqua fans.

0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And then like heavily into Oasis for a while, heavily

0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.800
<v Speaker 1>into the Spies Girls for their first album, and then

0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:01.399
<v Speaker 1>heavily not into them immedia after that. Yeah, but like

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, still see that as a very what was at.

0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.160
<v Speaker 2>The school you went to what was the thing. Because

0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I grew up in Essex and the thing that we

0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.280
<v Speaker 2>got really into Oasis was the Yeah, the whole school

0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:12.919
<v Speaker 2>got into that. You had to like Oasis even if

0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:16.160
<v Speaker 2>you didn't like Oasis, Yes, you know what was what

0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.159
<v Speaker 2>was that? Were you in like? Were you in step

0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:21.240
<v Speaker 2>with your friends and the rest of the school.

0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 1>Not so much? Oasis wasn't Yeah, not many people liked

0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Oasis and stuff in my school that I remember. It

0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:33.399
<v Speaker 1>was more East seventeen Spice girls, all those Peter Andre

0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:36.919
<v Speaker 1>foot while everyone liked Peter Andre and you know, all

0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the boys had to aspire to have six packs and

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:40.640
<v Speaker 1>all this kind of stuff. There's a touch shop called

0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Flavor in our school, spelled the way Peter Andre spelled

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.199
<v Speaker 1>it f l a va. So it's like all that

0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.159
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, people were into that kintry.

0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 2>They really liked, they really liked on people.

0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Love Peter Andre. For a while it was like really big,

0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but like, yeah, outside of that, people weren't really into

0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.479
<v Speaker 1>guitar bands as much. Okay, yeah and things. So I

0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 1>was into a bis a lot until that. I mean

0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I basically was into the first two Oasist albums and

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.280
<v Speaker 1>then I thought be here now. On the day it

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:08.199
<v Speaker 1>came out, listened to it once, decided it's the best

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.200
<v Speaker 1>time I've ever heard, listened to it a second time

0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and was really disappointed.

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Didn't come out the week that Princess Diana died, yes,

0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.000
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, which then I think the band

0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 2>might blame for the reason it Yeah, I mean it's

0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>still sold loads.

0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Interesting reason to blame, yeah, because I understand if it

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 1>didn't sell much, you would blame it on that. But

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 1>it makes no sense with the biggest band in the

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.280
<v Speaker 1>world and we made no money, I guess because we

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:33.879
<v Speaker 1>have a car crashed into a swimming pool in the

0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>front of our album. People thought that was bad days

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 1>because Princess Anna has just died, that'd be fair enough.

0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.639
<v Speaker 1>But you sold loads and people said it was so

0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.639
<v Speaker 1>that's not that's not because I thought that they were

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.399
<v Speaker 1>listening to it and there was a cloud hanging over

0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:47.520
<v Speaker 1>us because of the death of Princess Diana, and then

0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>we couldn't enjoy We couldn't enjoy it, you know, do

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? So like it was, it

0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.600
<v Speaker 1>was more that it was just wasn't as musically dense

0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and rich, and the melodies weren't as memorable as the

0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:04.480
<v Speaker 1>first Those first two albums, God, it's like everything about

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.000
<v Speaker 1>them is. Yeah, it is great that there's the rawness

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:09.560
<v Speaker 1>of the first album, and the second album, which is

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the one that I connected to the most at that age,

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.439
<v Speaker 1>has just got so many memorable songs and hooks on

0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.399
<v Speaker 1>there and it's executed perfectly, and that third one is

0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>just not as much to it. You could of get

0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.159
<v Speaker 1>the it's all surface layer, and then the next listening

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.720
<v Speaker 1>has nothing really more to it than the initial hook

0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:29.760
<v Speaker 1>that was on there. Okay, so you know that was it?

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.040
<v Speaker 1>That was it, guys. It wasn't die, It wasn't business.

0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:34.880
<v Speaker 2>So when did you start, because you you're a drummer,

0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.080
<v Speaker 2>you've drummed in bands. When did you what? What type

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of what style of band was that? Like an was

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:42.760
<v Speaker 2>your first band? Like an OACC band?

0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.960
<v Speaker 1>No, it's by the time was in bands I liked,

0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I was listening, I was reading krang and stuff

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like that and really liked metal and punk grunge especially,

0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to be in those kind of bands. So,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was a third teen fourteen, I started playing

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<v Speaker 1>in bands with the people in school and they were

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.440
<v Speaker 1>all into the same stuff. So we were just covering

0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.600
<v Speaker 1>smells like teen Spirit, bored by the Deaftones, the songs

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 1>that walk by Pantera, who were doing all those kind

0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.560
<v Speaker 1>of songs. By the time I started writing music in

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the band, we were doing like new metal for our

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.040
<v Speaker 1>sins and it was like all kind of But we

0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.480
<v Speaker 1>had two guitarists who were very good guitarists, one of

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:23.520
<v Speaker 1>which was like a you know, a child prodigy who

0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:26.040
<v Speaker 1>should have gone somewhere, but you know, no one ever

0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 1>really nurtured his talent when they should have. But this

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:30.560
<v Speaker 1>kid was like, amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>What's he doing? Do you know what he's doing now?

0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 1>No idea what Matthew Butler's doing now? I hope he's

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 1>doing well. He I bet he's still an amazing guitarist.

0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Like he'll still be shredding probably in a pub in

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 1>like a pub rock band and everyone's like, I'm sorry,

0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.440
<v Speaker 1>who the fuck is that? Because why is he here?

0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Like it was just so good and like there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Always one kid in the school that's was his kids

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<v Speaker 2>at your school.

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<v Speaker 1>At my school. Yeah, just you know, he won't mind

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<v Speaker 1>me saying this bottom set for everything. Yeah, and just

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 1>in the incredible guitarist, and it's the failings of the

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>teachers to not go, Okay, he needs to do that

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 1>for a living, because otherwise he's not gonna you know,

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, like these other things aren't for him. And

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.919
<v Speaker 1>that's fine. You don't have to be good at maths.

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to be like that doesn't have to

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>be a life. He's he's better at the guitar than

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.000
<v Speaker 1>anyone else is at any subject in his year. So

0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:24.600
<v Speaker 1>we need to nurture that, not just write off music

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:27.359
<v Speaker 1>and go no, well, that's not a proper thing. It

0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>is a proper thing. People do it for a living,

0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>so like you can easily make it his job and

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 1>you're not bothering because at the end of the day,

0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>you're not actually very good at your jobs. So awful stuff,

0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. I really hope he has found a way

0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of making that work, but I haven't heard from him.

0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:47.760
<v Speaker 1>But he was just like, we do new metal songs

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.560
<v Speaker 1>and then suddenly there's this Joe Saturani style solo just

0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 1>midway through and everyone will be like, wow, that's different,

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and that was like.

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, what was your singer?

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Like we never settled on a singer, okay.

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, we had, did you all take turns in that?

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Because are you just no? We had different singers. We

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of gigs with nice singer and about

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 1>four gigs with different singers, and the longest serving there

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<v Speaker 1>was this guy who just he would sing really nice

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 1>in the band practices and then scream on stage and

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.919
<v Speaker 1>we were like, can you please just sing nicely like

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>we've asked you to and he was like, yeah, yeah, yah,

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it next time, and then he would scream again.

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<v Speaker 2>What was that just a nerves thing like you'd get up.

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess it must have been a adrenaline. May there

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 1>must have been a nerves thing that he was like

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.000
<v Speaker 1>or that in the moment of doing the gig. It's

0:24:36.040 --> 0:24:38.159
<v Speaker 1>what made sense to him was he would also like

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>he would always like he'd always put a dress on

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.200
<v Speaker 1>as well. He had a floral dress and he would

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 1>put that on, which he hadn't run that bias either,

0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:48.120
<v Speaker 1>but we didn't care as much because who cares, But

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>like it was like, okay, that's cool, Like you know,

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed a bit of a performance there and you've got

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a stage outfit, but then just screaming, and it's like,

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.120
<v Speaker 1>I love screaming as much as the next person in music,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as it suits the songs. Really didn't, It

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<v Speaker 1>really didn't at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So when did you When was the last time you drumed?

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<v Speaker 1>You?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you still? Do you have a kit?

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Do you play well? I'm weirdly so in like I

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>think five days time or like six days time. I'm

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>going home to Ketherin. I'm getting my old drum kit,

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:19.480
<v Speaker 1>which I haven't played in. It's been in its drum

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>cases for twelve years. Just gathern dustin. Nothing has happened

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>to it. I'm going to load it in the car,

0:25:27.280 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>go back to London, unpack it in the studio, not

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>tune it, and after having not practiced drums in twelve years,

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to record drums all day for two days,

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and with an out of tune drum kit with absolutely

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the rustiest I've ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this for a particular reason?

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Is it a reason you can tell me about?

0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I think so. It's it's a project I wanted

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 1>to I just kind of I played drums like so,

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I actually myself at least album in twenty sixteen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>oh hang, so it's the only bit of drumming that

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>I have done since being in bands. But where there's

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 1>a load of bands that I used to know from school,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and I was a fan of theirs and bought their

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 1>demos they would sell at gigs, and they've each got

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 1>at least one song that I thought, I still think

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:20.800
<v Speaker 1>today is an amazing song. I was like, oh, no, ie'

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I never hear these songs. All these bands are broken

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>up now. So in twenty sixteen, I got everyone kind

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of back together almost into the studio. I played drums,

0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.120
<v Speaker 1>but I only got things like I got each song

0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>right once, you know, like everything else was so rusty.

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I can't even play standard drum beats anymore. But we

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:41.959
<v Speaker 1>recorded them all again as like indie grunge songs and

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:43.919
<v Speaker 1>released this album. So that's the last bit of drumming

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:44.399
<v Speaker 1>i've done.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that album called.

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>It's called Lunar Dot Raids the Bee Litty. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>Lunar Dot Raids the Bee Pidgin And it's because it's

0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.320
<v Speaker 1>made up of all the different band names, right, okay,

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>so that I couldn't be bothered to come out with

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>a new band name. So I took one word from

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 1>each of the old bands and put them together. It's

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:01.560
<v Speaker 1>best I could to make a sentence, and.

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Can I hear this? Can people listen to this? Band camp?

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Band camp? And all the money goes to the youth

0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:09.760
<v Speaker 1>centers where we used to practice as teenagers. So we're

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.840
<v Speaker 1>getting no money from it. If you it's it's a

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.320
<v Speaker 1>paywe you want album, but any money that you do

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 1>donate to it goes to these youth centers.

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Has it got the threading guitarist?

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It hasn't, because it's songs that were written by bands.

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't in bands that I was a fan of

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.000
<v Speaker 1>right locally, and he's not on it. I've lost contact

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>with him, and he didn't plan on it, and it

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:32.720
<v Speaker 1>would have been inappropriate to suddenly have a shredding guitar

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.680
<v Speaker 1>solo on any of these songs. The guitar was mainly

0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>done by a comedian friend of mine called Rob Dearan,

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>who is a genius guitarist, and I knew I could

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 1>play many songs and he could figure out how to

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 1>do it in a grunge style, and I enjoyed that

0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>so much. I really loved making that album to a

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 1>point where I didn't think I was I was. I

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 1>was surprised at how much. I thought I was doing

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it to get it out my system. I'm the kind

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 1>of person who, once I've got an idea to do something,

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>if I don't do it, it's going to really bug me.

0:27:58.080 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So I was just doing it to get it out

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>my system. It and I really loved being in the

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 1>studio with my friends and recorded music and it being

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a fun thing that, you know, had no basis in

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>my career. There wasn't any kind of like, you know,

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>path to be taken off and any goal with it.

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>It was just doing it for the love of it

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>and doing it with my friends. And so I went

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to do something else like that, but I was like, well,

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know, anything else that I do musically,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to start from square one, you know, I'd

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>have to start like writing original songs, and I'm not

0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:31.840
<v Speaker 1>good enough to do that. I haven't played drums in ages.

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 1>My drum is going to be absolutely shit. I can't

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 1>do that. And so I thought, well, I'll make that

0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the basis of the album then, and I'll I'll make

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.120
<v Speaker 1>the facts that I'm completely out of practice and completely

0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I've neglected my I used to, you know, teach the drums.

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I was properly. I played for hours a day, and

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I taught kids the drums as a job, you know,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So like I'm and now in comparison, I'm awful. You know,

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I've neglected this talent completely, and I want to do

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>an album that's essentially about that, so that contrasts what

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>happens when you completely neglect something and when you nurture it.

0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So I'm doing, you know, two days of awful, well

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of my best. I'm gonna try my best. I'm gonna

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>try and do it for a joke sounding shit, but

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to deliberately do it on an out of

0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>tune drum kit, trying to play the best that I

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>possibly can just drums, just drums. Cut that into tracks,

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and then the next week we're getting a professional drummer

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.000
<v Speaker 1>in who is one of my heroes, who's going to

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>come in and he's going to tune the drum kit,

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>same drum kit, and then play over the stuff that

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>I've played and do either accompaniment to what I've done

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 1>or better versions of what I've done, like proper versions

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of it, and then we're going to mix it in

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a way that that kind of showcases both of them

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and contrast them both, and then there's some other musicians

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.440
<v Speaker 1>have got lined up who are gonna do stuff over

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the top of that afterwards. But the imediate stuff that's

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>happening next week is me and this other drummer.

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Is the Okay, you'd had to say, who the other

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>drummer is?

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Is that seb Rockford who is from Polar Bear and

0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>all those. He's a jazz drummer. He's a proper yeah,

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>one of my heroes. Can you play jazz drums with

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing that you would play used to

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 1>be able to play a bit jazz drums. But he's

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>a very versatile drummer. He's been in loads of bands

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.400
<v Speaker 1>that have fused jazz with all manner of genres. He

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>I actually met him through doing this BBC podcast. We

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>did an episode about the John bapp album where now

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>when the drum drumming on that is incredible and the

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>whole album started off with drums and then everything was

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>built around it. So I wanted to get drummers in

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>to talk about it. I've got Adam Betts, who's an

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:47.840
<v Speaker 1>amazing drummer with square pusher and acts like that, to

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>come in a solo artist in his own rights and

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 1>an entirely drum solo album that came out in twenty sixteen,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:31:00.160
<v Speaker 1>which is incredible called Colossal Squid. And Seib Rockford came

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 1>in and did that episode as well, and there was

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>like two drum kits set up with those two, and

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I talked to him about the drumming on this album

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>and how much we love it. It's like a bonus

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>episode for the podcast. It's like a longer deep dive

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>into We've got these bonus episodes that are longer and

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>investigate albums a lot more. And I met him through that.

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, he did the episode of the podcast and

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>just played those different styles of drumming on it. I

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>tried to show him one of my drug meats that

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I used to put. The production team forced me to

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>show him a thing I had done, and to my surprise,

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>he really liked it and sent me a very nice

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>email about about it because I've been thinking about that

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:36.600
<v Speaker 1>drum beat you did a lot, and I just then

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>confessed to him in the moment, I wrote that drum

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.800
<v Speaker 1>beat when I was in a band and obsessed with

0:31:39.840 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 1>his drumming, and it's the beat is me copying him.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>The probably way you like it, because it's me just

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to sound like you when I was seventeen. And then,

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:53.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, I just seized it. I already had the

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>idea for this album in my head, and I thought,

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I'll just I'll ask him if he wants to do it.

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>And I was astounded that he would have been my

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 1>first choice anyway. I never thought I would have got him.

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I can't believe he's gonna do it.

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's just a bit of fun for me.

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>But that's why I'm talking about it so enthusiastically. It

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 1>is so much fun.

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<v Speaker 2>So the new podcast is you're going to go through

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>fifty of your six hundred records, Yeah, with different different

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>comedians going to join you. Yes, you're playing. You're gonna

0:32:32.560 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>have twenty five guests, right, and they're all gonna listen

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 2>to two each.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I've got there's fifty episodes, twenty five guests,

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 1>two episodes each, and each episode I've sent them an

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>album in advance, which is one of my favorite albums,

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>not just from twenty sixteen but from all time. And

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>they are going to come on the podcast and they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell me what they think of it, and

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to tell them what I think of it

0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and why I love it, and by the end of

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>each episode, I'm going to see if they will admit

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that twenty sixteen is the great year for music of

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>all time. And so you know that gives the you know,

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the listener, if it's an obscure album you've never heard before,

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to worry about not knowing what on

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>about because the other person I've got on as a guest,

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>they've only just heard. So we're it's it's someone who

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 1>loves something told us someone who is a novice to it,

0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>new to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and do you most of them? Most of the

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.040
<v Speaker 2>fifty I know you've got. I know you've got some

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>big ones like Lemonade's going to be in there, and

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Blonde is going to be.

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Black Star, Run the Jewels Free.

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Some of the big stuff is going to be in there,

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 2>but there's also some really obscure stuff. I've assume what

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 2>is there in there that the album that you like

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>that is from a Ned Flanders tribute band that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is not in there?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you just explain what that record? Because I read

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<v Speaker 2>about that being in because it's in the book yes,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>and I listened to them today. I listen to a

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>song by them called White Wine Spirit Step. They are.

0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>To describe them, they're like a metalcore band, yes, called

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 2>what are they called?

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>They're called Oakley Docally, Okay Docally. The album is called

0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Howdy Doody and it and.

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>They dress as Ned Flanders from The Simpsons yep, And

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.240
<v Speaker 2>all of the songs are based on him.

0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>And Flanders, so they're singing in Ned Flanders quotes and

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:23.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Yeah.

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's well done, isn't it. Yeah, it's not

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:30.959
<v Speaker 2>like they are com clearly all play.

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The reason why it's like an album that I

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 1>mentioned in the book and that I've talked about a lot,

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>is because it was definitely the tipping point where I realized,

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:42.880
<v Speaker 1>okay this, I don't have any control over this project anymore.

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't have any control over what I buy

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>because I have to own this album because I can't.

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like I was saying earlier about that album we

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>talked about, I can't say I know everything about I'm

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like I know more about the musical twenty sixteen than

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>anyone else, and yet I didn't buy the Ned Flanders

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.080
<v Speaker 1>metal out like you kind of have to own it. Yeah,

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.479
<v Speaker 1>so like there was album's not that was like, well

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 1>just without even listening to it, I have to own

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:13.919
<v Speaker 1>this album. And it's a really interesting experience that album

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>because sometimes it comes on on shuffle and I'm like

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 1>this is good, Well who's this and then I go

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>over like oh no it locally docally, I mean join

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>them at face value, like it's a weird one because

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it's like the kind of the very concept of it

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 1>stops you've engaging with it on the normal level.

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it is actually but they can play because

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 2>have you heard that band Harry and the Potters. No,

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Harry and the Potters.

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:40.319
<v Speaker 1>I can guess where this is going, but no, I've

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>not heard them.

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>They I mean they've been around a long time since

0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 2>since maybe the first film came out, Yeah so what

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty years maybe?

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, and.

0:35:50.880 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 2>It's two guys. I think they're from Boston and they

0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>dress as Harry Potter and all of the songs about

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter. But they are really the io really stripped down,

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 2>like sound like beat happening or something. But it kind

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 2>of makes they they're not brilliant now it's brilliant. And

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>it's for what it is, but not like Oakley Oakley,

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>who as you say, it comes on shuffle and you're like,

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 2>this is a good band.

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was actually a good band. I mean

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 1>they've changed members so many times, and all of them

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>have nicknames like you know, head Ned, dread Ned, and

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 1>they every time they change a member, they have to

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.400
<v Speaker 1>think of a different word. It's like one syllable and

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 1>rhymes with ned. But yeah, it's it's mad how like

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>it comes up and I think it will never be

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>one of my favorites just because I can't get past

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the Flanders things. Yeah, but but I'm delighted that it

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>came out that year and that it was something. You know, ultimately,

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking to people about the albums that came

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 1>out in one year without playing, you know, there's some

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>albums that are like really great indie albums that had

0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:58.279
<v Speaker 1>to grow on me for a bit. And now I've

0:36:58.320 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 1>got some of my favorites and I love them. But

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to like sell that to people. Yeah and go, oh,

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>there's this band and it's just really good guitar songs,

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>but so like but it's much easy to go Okay,

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 1>there's this one album, and throughout the whole album is

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>a sound of an active bee hive for the whole thing,

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's this constant droning noise of all the bees.

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And over the top of it, a cellist has figured

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.200
<v Speaker 1>out that the bees are humming in the key of C,

0:37:22.640 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 1>so they're playing in the key of C the cello

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.319
<v Speaker 1>over the top of it. And then there's like, by

0:37:28.360 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 1>the way, I'm talking about the album b by one

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>right now, which was originally an art installation, and it's

0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the guys from Spiritualized did it, and like it's there's

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>more to talk about. Yeah, well you got go on

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>about those albums, and not necessarily your favorite ones, but

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 1>they're really interesting albums that are worth listening to, and

0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 1>again emphasizes the fact that you know, we can casting

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:56.919
<v Speaker 1>aside to the kind of just fun little convincing people.

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Twenty six SEMs the Greatest year of for musical time,

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>which is just a bit of a laugh really like

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:02.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to convince people that it's a fun little game.

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.839
<v Speaker 1>But really the whole point is there is so much

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 1>great music being made today, and so much interesting music

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>and inventive music, and you know, for example, people are

0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:16.400
<v Speaker 1>doing this stuff. People are harmonizing with Bees, you know,

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>There's like a lot of stuff going on. People are

0:38:19.600 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>still pushing things and being weird. It's not just all

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>throw away, disposable stuff.

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, you can't really listen. You can't really

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 2>buy six hundred albums at any point and for them

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to all be of the same thing. It's really eclectic.

0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:39.800
<v Speaker 2>You're mix from Bees to ned Flanders, covering all the bases.

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything just musically generally not necessarily in this

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.279
<v Speaker 2>project that you just won't touch a strand of folk music?

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I could say that, because it all

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 1>depends on how it's done and what I've really what

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been identify more through this project is what I

0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>don't like within certain genres that turns me off. So

0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>like I'm more able to listen to songs now and

0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>say why I don't like them and what could be

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>changed what I mean, I would love it, you know.

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, for the most part, I don't like

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>just big, chuggy rock music that is like very straightforward

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>rock music, and I find it boring. But a lot

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>of the time it's not because of the music itself.

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 1>It's because the production is always pretty predictable and just

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 1>straightforward and inspired production, and the vocalists are often you know,

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>just sound. You can't pick them out of a lineup,

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 1>just classic vocalists. And whereas actually if the production was

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit more interesting and the vocalist was a bit

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 1>more you know, unique, then I'd probably love it, you know.

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.919
<v Speaker 1>So it's not the genre, it's the way that people

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 1>do them. And for so much of it as well,

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.160
<v Speaker 1>it's just the production. Like so much, I didn't care

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>about production before this, and now I realized that actually

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:00.279
<v Speaker 1>there are certain styles of music, like rock music or

0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>folk music, where the more clean and glossy the production is,

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the more I don't like it. Yeah, and actually I

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:13.240
<v Speaker 1>really like to just hear. I'd hear people properly creating

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and performing something. And although you know, I like loads

0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>of electronic music as well, samples and stuff, but you

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>can still it comes through. Yeah, even if I hear

0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 1>someone playing something live, it comes through how much they

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>genuinely exploring a genre and care about him.

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 2>You should listen to Harry and the Potters. I think

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 2>they're the band for you.

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>I think they're my favorite band as of now.

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:35.359
<v Speaker 2>They've got loads of albums as well.

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I bet.

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Harry Potter, but yeah, yeah, absolutely.

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I've been drinking a lot during this podcast because I've

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>got a bad throats. I've got to keep it lubricated.

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 1>So I've gone through a glass of like what I

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.439
<v Speaker 1>think was carrot juice and a cup of lemon tea.

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm now dying for a piss and also quit pretty concern.

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been gulping into the mic the whole thing, so

0:40:54.440 --> 0:41:01.399
<v Speaker 1>enjoy anyway, good Night,