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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for various horror movies from the

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Speaker 2: year's two thousand and five and the current year, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five, but you've probably seen them, so you're fine. Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name is Jason Sepcio and on Rosey Night, and

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Speaker 2: welcome back to Axtravage of the podcast, when we dive

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Speaker 2: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture

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Speaker 2: coming from my Heart, where we're bringing you three episode's

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Speaker 2: week plus news plus news.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, we are taking a twenty year trip

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Speaker 1: back to explore the horror films of two thousand and

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Speaker 1: five and see how that era changed the drama forever,

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Speaker 1: while also returning to twenty twenty five and having a

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, we're gonna be joined by A

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Speaker 1: Zero's movie expert, Jordan Creshola, the Great, then great Jordan

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Speaker 1: the Great Jordan Csola Vulture. Ever heard of it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, ever heard of it?

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Speaker 1: She's great, She's amazing. And in twenty twenty five, of course,

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Speaker 1: we are tapping in our number one youthful horror lover,

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Speaker 1: the youngest of the stream queens common laurenoo.

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Speaker 2: But first, get your get your raizor phones out, get

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Speaker 2: your original iPod and iPod nano out, ski jeans out,

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Speaker 2: get your statement necklaces out. Fire up the Napster.

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Speaker 1: Lime wild, Fire up the live wire.

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Speaker 2: It's time to go back to two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I got a very special guest for you,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Cruciola, co host of The Austerian Podcast and also

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Speaker 1: an incredible writer with many bylines at many amazing places. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? Thank you for joining X ray Vision.

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Speaker 3: I am so honored to be here on the occasion

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Speaker 3: to discuss really content we should never let be lost

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Speaker 3: time of year as this time of year it's Spookie season.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think that something that is really joyful

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Speaker 1: what was the year of two thousand and five, like, like,

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Speaker 3: Couldn't have been a better vibe for me personally? This

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Speaker 3: I'm going to see sn City with friends of mine

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Speaker 3: Because How's I Love becomes a crazy action movie, no

438
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: doubt about it becomes a crazy action movie. And there's

439
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: an extended fight scene between a man with a wax

440
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: face Chad Michael Marine and Alicia Cuthbert in a burning

441
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 3: down wax house.

442
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: That's a crazy action movie.

443
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, guess who the director of, you know, one

444
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: of Constantine is. It's Francis Lawrence, Who's gonna go on

445
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: to become the director of Hunger Games so and.

446
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 3: Who just came out with a career highlight in The

447
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: Long Walk, I mean, still doing outstanding work.

448
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: And also as well, you know, directed I Am Legend

449
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, another actually interesting, underrated movie.

450
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: And I think that that is the most interesting thing

451
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: about this era is it's kind of this handoff to

452
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: a new generation. Whether it's your rob Zombies, whether it's

453
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: your Neil Marshall's, the Old Heads, the Childs Bands, the

454
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: Full Moons, they're kind of still trying to work out

455
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: what people want. But there are these young directors, you know,

456
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: even Eli Roth, who are coming out with these different

457
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: things that are making people have a conversation of oh wait,

458
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: like horror is in a new era. I think as

459
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: a kid that this was the last time that I

460
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: really felt that feeling of like, oh, this is something different.

461
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: And I have to say, this is another classic Rosie watch.

462
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: But since I moved to America and I was living

463
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: here and you know, had access to like streaming TV

464
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: for the first time and stuff, Tamarra, that's like a

465
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Speaker 1: straight to video.

466
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm so good.

467
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: I watched it honestly finally for the first time three

468
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: weeks ago because it is available free.

469
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 4: Once trea everywhere, and I was that movie.

470
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: Is a fascinating case to so like it, like Jennado

471
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: on a like just the fact of that the premise

472
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: is like you're on the side of the you have

473
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 3: the sort of protagonist antagonist the movie like doesn't actually

474
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: isn't seem confident in who it's rooting for. Either it's

475
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: like bullies or it's person who is bullied who is

476
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 3: now back for revenge. There is like the deaths in

477
00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: it are some incredibly creative punishing violence and also two

478
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 3: two male characters are made to have sex with each other,

479
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: which were made to receive as a punishment on par

480
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: with cutting parts of your own face off.

481
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 4: And then like you're like, you're you're like, wait, that's

482
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 4: not the quote unquote worst thing that's gonna happen to you.

483
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 4: Like something worse is gonna happen.

484
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: Got these guys like get away with whatever, and then

485
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: be like yeah, but at least they had to have

486
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: gay sex, and like.

487
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Like maybe that was a great day for those guys too.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't know what happened next.

489
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: You don't know, you don't know what, you don't know

490
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: what they chose to do after after what they were

491
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: hypnotized to do, and so but like and just like

492
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 3: the mixed messaging and like, like the the highs and

493
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 3: lows of that movie are an incredible peatri dish of

494
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: the problematic delight of the two thousands.

495
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Speaker 1: To say, I totally agree, And I think it's really

496
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Speaker 1: interesting because we actually had two Tony movies that came

497
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: out that year too, and Tomorrow is very much American

498
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Toady school Girl is bullyed, she disappears, you think she's dead,

499
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: but oh she's back.

500
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

501
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I also want to shout out before we go, because

502
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Speaker 1: I could. I'm realizing now, I'm like, this could be

503
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: a series itself. I'm like, so easy. But also I

504
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: want to shout out Mary Lambert because Urban Legends Blood

505
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: and Mary actually great sequel. Interesting.

506
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that's the one with Kate marrat in it.

507
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: Kate Mara's true crazy.

508
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was just such an interesting time for horror.

509
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: And if you were gonna, if you were gonna looking

510
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: back twenty years ago, if you were gonna kind of

511
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: put a stamp on what you think the moment was

512
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: or the message was, what was it for you?

513
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna see two things in here. The first

514
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: one because we i we briefly mentioned the Jay Horror.

515
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: I want to share my theory that I don't think,

516
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 3: besides The Ring, one of the scariest PG three teen

517
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 3: movie I think ever made. What rewatched it recently absolutely

518
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: holds up. God, it's so good. I think the Jay

519
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 3: horror movie whorts the remakes here didn't ever hit because

520
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: I don't think maybe now it could be better if

521
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: there was another wave of that. I do not think

522
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 3: that studio horror allowed for the delicate storytelling at the

523
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: time of transporting the different cultural spiritual relationship between the

524
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: living and the dead that is present in Japanese like

525
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: myth and history, because there is like you watch, you

526
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: watch Ring, you watch, you watch Juwan, you watch and

527
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: there is a permeability between life and spirit that is

528
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: that is more accepted and more understandable in that different

529
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: culture from our own to where like you don't spend

530
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: half of a movie explaining a curse in a Japanese

531
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: horror movie, somebody learns about the curse, they tell somebody

532
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 3: else about the curse, and they're like, don't talk to me,

533
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: get away from me. You are you are soullied. Like you,

534
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: you will not ruin my li there is a buy

535
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 3: in to the nature and presence of the spirit that

536
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: you have to water it down so far for an

537
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: American audience to be like, the ghost is scary, and

538
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: we make the ghost scary for all the wrong reasons

539
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: that make them basic boring movies that lose like the

540
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: punch and resonance and soulfulness of the originals in Japan.

541
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Speaker 3: So that that my long standing theory about why j

542
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: horror just didn't connect even though the ring went off

543
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: so big didn't connect in our in the American market

544
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: in the two thousands. But I would say, I would say,

545
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: if like to put a if I were to sum

546
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: up this time, I think I think it really like

547
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: so I think some such a key thing.

548
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: Two key things.

549
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: One the true bridge time two thousand and five, a

550
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: true bridge time between what was possible in the nineteen

551
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: nineties and felt culturally and politically and socially crushed by

552
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: nine to eleven and the conservative majority that swept into

553
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: governance under the administration of George Bushout and what that

554
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: meant for a return to like focus on the family

555
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: and traditional family and all that garbage straw man stuff. Yeah,

556
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: I think it. It signified. It was so emblematic of

557
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: the dark time that we had truly arrived in in

558
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: a way that it was like, you need to let

559
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: go of the the optimism of prior while also giving

560
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: us a last great time again of mid budget, fully

561
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: realized big names attached horror that could play in three

562
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: thousand theaters at the in the last era of monocultural consumption.

563
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 3: This was when we were all we all generally had

564
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: the same awareness of what movies were playing in theaters,

565
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 3: even if he didn't go to the movies much, because

566
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 3: it was the same ads on TV, it was the

567
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 3: same ads in newspapers, which perhaps people people still read

568
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 3: at their morning.

569
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Speaker 1: Magazines, the same ad magazines.

570
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Speaker 3: People on the covers of magazines were people still generally,

571
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Speaker 3: I would say most people could be like, oh, that guy.

572
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: They know their life and their backstory.

573
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Amateur Bill Horra we all recognized from two girls to

574
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: guys at a pizza place.

575
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: You know, we got we got such good Ryan Reynolds

576
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: in two thousand subnote of two thousand and five. We

577
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: got Just Friends and Amityville horror. We got the definitive

578
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds in two thousand and five.

579
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Speaker 1: And he never changed after that. He was like, I've succeeded.

580
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: I've peaked Just Friends one of the great Christmas movies

581
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: of all time, and Amityville one of the great hot

582
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: guy horror movies.

583
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 4: Yeah all time. Those get hanging on by a thread

584
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 4: as a.

585
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: Kid, him and the jammy pants and uh, you know,

586
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: loading the shotgun with one arm because he had the

587
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: big muscles. We were all like, oh my god, I

588
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: want to do that. Like, yeah, And I think as well,

589
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: what I love about your takeaway and I think Amateurville

590
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: is a nice place to end on this is also Yeah,

591
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: they tried to focus on that and go back to

592
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the old school and go back to the seventies and

593
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: like what would happen if a family blah blah, but

594
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: just the nature of our age and the nature of

595
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: the people who are making the movies. I remember Amateurville

596
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: Horror hit super hard for a lot of me and

597
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: my friends because we had shitty dads. So even if

598
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: they like were trying to go back to this more

599
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: simplistic place, the audience was ready for stories that like

600
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: represented a reality in horror that maybe you know, they

601
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: were trying to go back to with the notion of oh,

602
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: the real Amateurville horror happened, like this is a movie

603
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: that's going to be a craze for that, but a

604
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: lot of us were watching it going like, yeah, I

605
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: can imagine my dad would try and kill us, Like

606
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: it sucks, but that's a real horrific thing like that happens.

607
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: And I think that hit in a way too.

608
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: I think too that you have a perfect foil it

609
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: for the nineteen seventies, where when I think of the

610
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies original, I think of and this is an

611
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: era of the of the Exorcist.

612
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: This is an era of sort of spiritual panic.

613
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: Of the omen And there you watched that movie and

614
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: I remembered the spiritual element of it.

615
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: I remember the.

616
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: Dread of the priest and the flies, and the overtaking

617
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: of a of a sick darkness of this family. And

618
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: then when I think of the Amityville remake in two

619
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: thousand and five, I think of the violence. I think

620
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: of his hot body, I think of the shotgunloading, I

621
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: think of the jammy pants that are just absolutely clinging

622
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: to the bottom of this man's waist.

623
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Speaker 4: And I think of a.

624
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: Replacement of spiritual cues with visual cues, which to me

625
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: indicates a difference in norms of what we could access

626
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: as a community and what our panics and what our

627
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: insecurities were around. We were sort of distant from a

628
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: place of like a collective I feel like moral assessment

629
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: of something, and wandering further from a place of like

630
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: a monocultural evangelical nation, even though that is still firmly

631
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 3: what we were in the groups of. And you watch

632
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: the two thousands, and it's the fucking horror factory.

633
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: Man.

634
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to hit hard, we want to hit fast.

635
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: We want you to scream. We don't necessarily want you

636
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: walk out wondering about the existence of God. We want

637
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: you to walk out being like I want to bring

638
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: my other thirteen year old friends and have our parents

639
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: sneak us in. And I want sensation. I want chakanawe,

640
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: I want gloss. And I think this get made. That

641
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: is the big I think that to me is so

642
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: in tonally indicative of again the shock, and we're on

643
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: Saw three, we're on hostile, which is like laughing, literally

644
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: laughing in the face of ripping a woman's scalp off

645
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: of her body as her like eye dangles from her face,

646
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 3: and we're not like again, you're you're not walking out

647
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: of there wondering about the existential nature of God. You're

648
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: walking out there being like I can't believe that happened.

649
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, oh my god, how did they get this maid?

650
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: And that it's not a criticism, it is just I

651
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: think very temperamentally indicative of celebutant culture of my super

652
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 3: sweet sixteen of again the you know, courtesy of the Red, White,

653
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: and Blue run the Dixie Chicks out of town, anti

654
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: gay merit. Like I think there is just a very

655
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: culturally cohesive superficiality that is so much fun to exist

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Speaker 3: in the moment, but is a very, I feel succinct

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Speaker 3: assessment of what the pop culture value system was at

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Speaker 3: the time that these movies were coming out.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Jordan, Where can people find you?

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Speaker 3: You can find me on I'm clinging on to Twitter.

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Speaker 3: I'm fleeing on Joy or the Action Twitter. Folks are

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Speaker 3: still on Twitter and that's where we gather and I

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Speaker 3: will not we will not leave a man behind. And

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Speaker 3: so it's jor cru j orci are you on Twitter?

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Speaker 3: And the Feeling Scene podcast which comes out every week

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Speaker 3: on the network Maximum Fun.

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Speaker 4: We're doing fun interviews with people who make movies.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Thank you so much for joining us. This

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Speaker 1: was a joy and I'm sure you'll be back very soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I could quite

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Speaker 3: literally do this all day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Jordan crucio La for joining us.

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Speaker 1: What a fun conversation that was. And I will be

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Speaker 1: bringing in another horror expert who you know a little

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Speaker 1: bit better common lauran Off the time this ad break,

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Speaker 1: We're back, and I have been joined by the delightful

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Speaker 1: and lovely common Lauren Oscream Queen, how are you doing, dearie?

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Speaker 5: I'm so well, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, twenty twenty five. It's a real horror movie,

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Speaker 1: but you know, it is living in a horror movie

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Speaker 1: talking about the things that we love, which is always delightful.

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Speaker 1: So me and Jordan just went absolutely ham on two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five horror movie. Yes, so before we jump

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Speaker 1: twenty five years ahead, what is your standout two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five horror?

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Speaker 5: Ah, two thousand and five horror stand out. I have

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Speaker 5: to say this is where Joelle and I agree with

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Speaker 5: each other. The Descent definitely the standout horror for me.

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Speaker 5: That Girls Trip Gone Awry? Yeah, love it? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really interestingly as well, we obviously talked about that one

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Speaker 1: just like did not set off a spate of contenders

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Speaker 1: or copycats because I think it was just too unique.

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Speaker 5: It was very unique.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard for them to replicate it.

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Speaker 5: It was in the found footage horror genre, which had

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Speaker 5: tons and tons of entries into it and tons of

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Speaker 5: like you know, really bad bootleg movies. But no, it's

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Speaker 5: it's definitely a very unique take on the genre.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and guys, remember you've always got to make sure

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Speaker 1: you're watching the original English ending, which is the horrible

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Speaker 1: scary ending, and I think that that is the version

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Speaker 1: that most services have now. But yes, common let's talk

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Speaker 1: about twenty twenty five. Something that's really nice is that

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Speaker 1: we have carved out a great space to talk about

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Speaker 1: horror on this pod with you and Joel. Sadly, Joel

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Speaker 1: is a busy, incredible talented lady, so she is not

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Speaker 1: here right now. But look, we are coming to the

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Speaker 1: end of the year somehow and looking back somehow, somehow

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Speaker 1: and at the horror that we've had so far, Like,

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Speaker 1: what is your big kind of theme that you are

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Speaker 1: seeing throughout these movies?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's interesting. I think it ties in

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Speaker 5: a bit to what we just discussed with our guest Jordan.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't need to paint a picture for

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Speaker 5: everyone of what the political climate is like that we're

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Speaker 5: in at the moment. Obviously we're all very keenly aware

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Speaker 5: of what moment we're living through right now. But you know,

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Speaker 5: when Jordan was talking about, you know, the George Bush

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Speaker 5: era two thousand and five conservatism, that kind of we're

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Speaker 5: back into that conservative era. It made me realize that

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Speaker 5: some of the most memorable times in horror are when

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Speaker 5: we're living through really conservative eras politically, and this is

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Speaker 5: another year where we're in a very politically conservative climate.

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Speaker 5: And the trend that I've seen, and we've talked about

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Speaker 5: this in our group Childs, is that it's all about

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Speaker 5: kids and the horror danger. Yeah, kids are in danger

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Speaker 5: and the horror that kids go through in various different ways.

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Speaker 5: And I think this ties into our political narrative of

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Speaker 5: you know, for the past several years leading up to

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Speaker 5: this presidential election that happened last year, you know, it

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Speaker 5: was all about like protect the children, Protect the children.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag protect the children, and that had its own conspiratorial

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Speaker 1: kind of yes, you know thread, so it was leading

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Speaker 1: to and rabbit.

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Speaker 5: Hole that, yeah, absolutely, and QAnon and all of that.

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Speaker 5: So and this is a common you know, I think

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Speaker 5: theme throughout our American history is this kind of misplaced

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Speaker 5: concern for children. And when I say misplaced, I mean

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Speaker 5: children are in danger and children are under threat, but

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Speaker 5: not in the way that creatives are painting it out

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Speaker 5: to be. You know, this is the.

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Speaker 1: Thing that I love about your read on this because yeah,

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Speaker 1: throughout this year and I'm currently trying to work on

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Speaker 1: an article like this about this with a friend. I think, really,

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Speaker 1: since I spoke to the Philippo brothers on this very podcast,

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Speaker 1: Danny and Michael, who may bring her back, I remember

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Speaker 1: Danny saying, you know, there is something so haunting about

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Speaker 1: being a kid when an adult does not have your

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Speaker 1: best interest at heart, that does not have you know,

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Speaker 1: they almost have like an ulterior motive, right, And that

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Speaker 1: really set me off this year of like, wow, I'm

752
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Speaker 1: seeing so much horror that is in that space. I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing it with weapons, I'm seeing it with daily on Earth,

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing it with twenty eight years later. But what

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Speaker 1: I love that you read was to me, I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about this being, you know, there's some kind of

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Speaker 1: element of people like my age, like millennials, processing childhood trauma,

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Speaker 1: trying to tell people like, hey, this is what is

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Speaker 1: happening to kids like and I love that aspect of it,

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Speaker 1: which I find pretty subversive and radical. But I think

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Speaker 1: that you make a great point where it is also

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Speaker 1: a reaction, just like the movies of the eighties were

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Speaker 1: a reaction to satanic panic. This is a reaction to

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Speaker 1: this conservative idea of children not always in danger, but

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Speaker 1: now it's about what are they in danger from? And

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Speaker 1: I think that is what is interesting about twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: We're not saying like, oh, all kids are in danger

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Speaker 1: of you know, their teacher is going to be a

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Speaker 1: satanic you know, exploitas cultist, which was very much like

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Speaker 1: a made up fear of the eighties. What we're looking

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Speaker 1: at here is like Weapons.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, where the actual culprit is something kind of unseen

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Speaker 5: in the shadows, and the teacher is being blamed for

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Speaker 5: these kids having gone missing. The teacher has no idea,

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Speaker 5: and that is something that we see very much happening

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Speaker 5: in our reality. You know, teachers are constantly at the

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Speaker 5: blame for you know, different sorts of like media and

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Speaker 5: quote unquote grooming and all of this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just like deranged behavior absolutely, and I

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Speaker 1: think that Weapons is really interesting. I also think that

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Speaker 1: you know, everyone made this read when they watched the movie,

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Speaker 1: but Weapons is also very easy to read as an

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Speaker 1: analogue about school shooting something of our total era.

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Speaker 5: I think, which very I will say Zach Cregor, he's

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Speaker 5: very we haven't really we didn't have like a weapons

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Speaker 5: episode on the pod, but I we we talked about it,

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Speaker 5: I think.

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Speaker 3: But mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: He's very coy about like, oh no, it's not about

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Speaker 5: school of shootings.

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Speaker 1: Giving James Gunn talking about peace Maker where it's just

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Speaker 1: like James Gunn was like, well, none of this stuff

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Speaker 1: could ever happen in our real world, so it can't

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Speaker 1: be real, right, Like, you know, I think that Zach

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Speaker 1: Kreiger is a man who from Barbarian to this. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's trying to explain the movies that he writes,

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Speaker 1: but I think that people who read it that way

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Speaker 1: are not incorrect. You know, the school setting. I would say.

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Speaker 1: Something I think is really interesting about Bring Her Back

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Speaker 1: is that is, yeah, you could you know, people have

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Speaker 1: asked me because of the poster and because of the trailer,

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Speaker 1: oh is it satanic? So I do feel like we're

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Speaker 1: having that fear of satanic demor ideas again in that

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Speaker 1: rise of conservatism.

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Speaker 5: Well, and we did kind of see that. You know,

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Speaker 5: this was from twenty twenty four, but you know, I've

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Speaker 5: got to give mention to a class long legs, but

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Speaker 5: we did see that, We did see that in Long Legs,

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Speaker 5: and I think that this year, the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 5: was kind of the year that this all culminated into

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Speaker 5: a lot of different horror properties that we were seeing

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Speaker 5: this theme throughout, but we started to see it, I

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Speaker 5: think in the years prior and with Long Legs it

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Speaker 5: was that very satanic panic. I think all of these

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Speaker 5: things are related, you know what I mean. Cool, I

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Speaker 5: think it's just a rebranding. All of these things are

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Speaker 5: just rebrandings of the same kind of like unfound fear

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Speaker 5: that people have, especially like evangelical like the Yahelical Christian

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Speaker 5: Right has of like what is happening to children while

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Speaker 5: completely not acknowledging like like we've said, the real danger

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Speaker 5: that they're Yeah, bring her back is a great example

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Speaker 5: of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love that aspect about it is it

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Speaker 1: does have a you know, there is a cult undertone,

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Speaker 1: but really it's saying, hey, guess what's bad kids?

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Speaker 5: Abusive adults, abusive adults, and nobody is really ever concerned

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Speaker 5: up until the end are our girl from the child

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Speaker 5: Protective Services who unfortunately rip to that woman.

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Speaker 1: She tried her best, and she tried her best.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, there's you know, a lot of times people

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Speaker 5: in these movies aren't having the best interest for children

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Speaker 5: until it's too late.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that is a really great read too,

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Speaker 1: because isn't that representative of the kind of pro life

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Speaker 1: notion of like you bare have this kid, but once

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Speaker 1: the kid is born, good luck, you are getting benefits.

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Speaker 1: You are not getting any help, Like if you are

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Speaker 1: ten years old, you're gonna give birth this baby and

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Speaker 1: then we're going to leave you. And I think that

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Speaker 1: is also reflected in kind of our next to that

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Speaker 1: we were highlighting here, which was Alien Earth. This kind

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Speaker 1: of notion of children forced to grow up too quickly

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Speaker 1: and ironically Alien probably the closest that we've to a

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Speaker 1: horror movie that at least alludes to one of the

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Speaker 1: worst child abuse scandals of all time with the Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, but but there is at least something there,

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Speaker 1: And I think again that is an interesting subversive version,

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Speaker 1: Whereas in the past it would often go to a

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Speaker 1: Pizzagate or could some kind of conspiracy representation, demonic, satanic panic,

850
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Speaker 1: occult teachers. But here we are asking Noah Hawley is

851
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Speaker 1: asking the correct question, like what do billionaires do? And

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Speaker 1: we are not watching and what would a billionaire do

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Speaker 1: if they could create a child that is immediately an

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Speaker 1: adult that they own, you know. And I think that

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Speaker 1: that raised some very interesting questions, and we have another

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Speaker 1: kind of.

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Speaker 5: Why should you why should you trust your children with

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Speaker 5: somebody just because they're rich, And they say that it's zact.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, because that is what they do.

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Speaker 1: They lie, They take these children, they essentially allow them

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Speaker 1: to die of an illness, and then they upload their consciousness.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a great call. I would also say

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Speaker 1: I think Twenty eight years Later is an interesting combination

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Speaker 1: of both of the things we're talking about, because that

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Speaker 1: is a movie where you have an abusive father and

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Speaker 1: enclosed kind of cult ish society, but it's also about

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Speaker 1: a child who's forced to grow up too quickly, who

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Speaker 1: has to go outside, who has to make sure, who

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Speaker 1: has to care for his sick mother, something that more

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Speaker 1: poor children are having to do in America.

871
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that will become like a continuing

872
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 5: I think in the years to come, we'll see more

873
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 5: or like this as this continues to be a theme

874
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 5: in our media. But yeah, twenty eight years Later, I

875
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: think is a great example of that because we have

876
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 5: are you know, the only really good character in the film,

877
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 5: the only one that is like, you know, someone that

878
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 5: we're rooting for is the child. You know, we're rooting

879
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: for the child, and you have to remember the child

880
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 5: is doing all these horrible things in order to survive. Yeah,

881
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 5: and not even not even reached adulthood.

882
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: Yet, you know, and then they have to live with that,

883
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: And that's like another era of the fur another one

884
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: that I wanted. We also got like two Stephen King

885
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: adaptations this year, The Monkey and The Long Walk. The

886
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: Monkey I loved. I thought it was I love an

887
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: outrageous final destination esque type situation.

888
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 5: You're for Stephen King adaptations, by the way.

889
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the interesting thing I think about The Monkey

890
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: is that takes it in a very textual way where

891
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: it's basically like what if you were cursed? But also

892
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: if you watch it, it also becomes very clear, very

893
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: quickly that it's also about well, the curse is your family.

894
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 5: Trauma, the curses or mental illness. Mental illness, yes, absolutely,

895
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 5: and those things that you that you start to develop

896
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: in childhood that you have to carry into your adult

897
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 5: years and how does that thing follow you into your

898
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 5: adulthood and how do you carry that on, that monkey

899
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 5: on your back as an adult.

900
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: You know, that's the thing I think as well, that

901
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: people forget about horror, And I'm glad that this year

902
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: has this duality where there are these super depressing like

903
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Bring Her Back is hard to watch. I get it

904
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: why it didn't make money. Like it's gory, it's scary,

905
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: but it's so emotional and visceral. But you can have

906
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: a memory like Monkey that plays like Gangbusters in a

907
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: movie theater. It seems like it's like a Final Destination's

908
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: Bloodlines esque kind of romp. But when you really start

909
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: talking about it is a very textual story about childhood trauma,

910
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 1: about mental illness, about being raised by useless parents, about

911
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: the connections between our kind of relationships with our family.

912
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 5: Very relatable and real stuff. Yeah. Yeah, and the Lung.

913
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, talk about the Long Walk.

914
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, I you know, I saw the Long Walk,

915
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 5: and that's another one we talked about. And I think

916
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 5: our our either our group to had our news episode,

917
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 5: but we didn't have like a full discussion about it.

918
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed the message of the movie. It takes

919
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 5: a long time to get to that message. I think

920
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 5: it's a it's a lot of walking, as the name

921
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: would imply, but yeah, it's it's a movie about it's

922
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 5: a movie about a coming of age ritual essentially where

923
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 5: in every state man, a young man, a young boy

924
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 5: who has become you know, eighteen years old, has to

925
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 5: go and walk at a pace of three miles per

926
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 5: hour and if you can't keep pace, then you get shot.

927
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 5: And if you and you do that until there's one

928
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 5: man standing, absolutely horrible and horrifying to watch. It's incredibly gory,

929
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 5: it's incredibly you know, gratuitous in that way. But I

930
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 5: think the message is really strong of that movie, of.

931
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: Just the Well.

932
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 5: And I think it's interesting the way that it was

933
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 5: interpreted by myself and then by my you know, my boyfriend.

934
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 5: So like my boyfriend interprets it as like, well, you know,

935
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: this is like kind of an analogy of or a

936
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 5: metaphor of what it's like to not be able to

937
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 5: live up to the expectations of manhood that and the

938
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 5: expectations that the patriarchy places on men two in order

939
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 5: to fit into our society as men. As well as

940
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 5: in the way that I interpreted it was I think

941
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 5: a little bit more a little less on the nose.

942
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 5: But just like the idea of the character, our main character,

943
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 5: I forget what.

944
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: Our main characters.

945
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, our main character, he you know, he dies spoiler alert.

946
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 5: He dies at the end. He doesn't get to carry

947
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 5: on with the idea and the plan that he had,

948
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 5: but he had shared that idea with his friend, and

949
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: that was enough for his friend to be the one

950
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: to carry out that idea. And so I think the

951
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 5: another really, I think what was interesting about The Long

952
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 5: Walk in this era of kind of fascism and and

953
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 5: everything that we're living in is it it kind of talks,

954
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 5: It kind of shares this idea of how dissent or

955
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 5: a dissenting idea can be, you know, something that sets

956
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 5: us free and.

957
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 1: Of correct choice. Though like, yeah, we should have done

958
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: that a long time ago, would have sold the issue.

959
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: But I think that's really interesting. I also think as well,

960
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: something that aligns with me with the Long Walk and

961
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: with your kind of really smart about the conservative edge

962
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: of what is inspiring horror. I also was just like,

963
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: this is young men getting drafted. This is men who

964
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: go to war and we know that they're never coming back,

965
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: and you're just asked to do it as a coming

966
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: of age. You're eighteen, you're drafted, you have to go

967
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: like I think that interestingly, we are in an era

968
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: now where, even if there is a swing back to

969
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: conservatism in the government and the art reflects it in

970
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: some ways, it feels like it's currently always making a

971
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: statement that is relevant, slightly relevant, and subversive to the

972
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: conservatism that may have shaped it. I want to also

973
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: talk quickly about what we thought was probably going to

974
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: be a big theme this year but ended up kind

975
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: of fizzling out. I think, in as you've coined it

976
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 1: in the X ray vision, It's twenty twenty five is

977
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: a year of no subtext, only text. And I think

978
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: that AI as it exists in our world right now,

979
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: with you know, at GPT having I believe eight hundred

980
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: million weekly users now, like AI is draining our water,

981
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: it is using our energy, guys, it's costing money, and

982
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: it is way more dangerous and scary than a sexy

983
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: robot Who's Gonna kill you, which has always kind of

984
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: been the horror iteration of AI. And I think that's why,

985
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: even though you guys know, I loved the movie Those

986
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: Super Fun, we had an interview companion great movie but

987
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: did not hit in the big way, one because the

988
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: twist was revealed, and two because I do think that

989
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: this I think earlier, when Companion came out early at

990
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, the idea of like a

991
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: sentient sex doll had already been done, but also seemed

992
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: a little bit further out, I think than people realized,

993
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: so it didn't necessarily speak to them in the same way.

994
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: But then by the time you get to Megan two, yeah,

995
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: which how many had many production choices that they probably

996
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 1: wish they didn't make. Now you know, a Quilla Cooper

997
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: was the writer who really you know, created Meghan, and

998
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: she was not brought back for this one. But I

999
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: think that by the time you get to Meghan two,

1000
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: where Meghan is essentially a superhero, I think that people

1001
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: an audition start an action star, which, by the way, guys,

1002
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: number one rule of late you've got to wait till

1003
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: later stage in the franchise that's gonna be like it

1004
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 1: on the side, you can't do it like Megan. Five,

1005
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: we get to Freddy Krueger doesn't start cracking jokes. Still

1006
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: at least three exactly exactly before that, it's still a

1007
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: little creepier. So like I also think that Megan was

1008
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: already an era where people were like, wait a minute,

1009
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: maybe I don't want a superhero who's AI. Like wait

1010
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: a minute. By the middle of the year, suddenly AI

1011
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: is the conversation point. It's taking away jobs, people are

1012
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: being laid. Yeah, it is draining our day, sent.

1013
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 5: To spread misinformation, used to.

1014
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: Kill people like y all over the world use it

1015
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: in a terrible way. So I think that it's interesting

1016
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: that AI kind of the world caught up too fast,

1017
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 1: and so it really is more movies like One Battle

1018
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: after Another or Eddington, where I think those conversations are

1019
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: being had about AI and about revolution and about revolutionary

1020
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: ideas and stuff that are outside of kind of our

1021
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: understanding of say a movie that came out in twenty

1022
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: twenty four that I was very glad super producer Ian

1023
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: brought up because it is just a fun be movie.

1024
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: But like Megan Fox was in a movie called Subservience,

1025
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: which was essentially your kind of companion esque, like what

1026
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 1: if you got a sex doll and she was evil

1027
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: because once she had sex with her, you treat her

1028
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: like shit, which is what happens every time. But don't

1029
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: treat them like shit. How about that. I don't treat

1030
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: the AI robot by shit. But that movie already existed,

1031
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: already came out in twenty twenty four, did not hit,

1032
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: was on Netflix. I'm sure it did well. Congrats to

1033
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: that director. I hope you got paid money. I love

1034
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: Megan Fox, so I watched it and it is a

1035
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: fun movie. But like that, I don't think that the

1036
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: understanding of what AI really is, or why it scares

1037
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 1: people or why it's dangerous was represented in the movies

1038
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: we got about it this year, and I think that

1039
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: is why it was not a theme that hit.

1040
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 5: But let me tell you one thing. I will say, yes,

1041
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 5: I do agree with you on that, and whether or

1042
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 5: not Subservience had the same plot of the movie that

1043
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 5: would come out later Companion, I will say when I

1044
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 5: talk about, you know, the movies I've seen with my

1045
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 5: friends this year, and we talked about, like, oh, you know,

1046
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 5: what was your favorite movie so far this year? A

1047
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: lot of my friends have told me like Companion has

1048
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 5: really stuck with them.

1049
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't great movie. I love Companion. I think it

1050
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: had a lot more interesting stuff to say. Plus also

1051
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: revenge movie, which we as women, I feel like it was.

1052
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 5: More about that for I think most people, including myself,

1053
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: what I loved about Companion than it was about the

1054
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 5: AI kind of robot aspect of it.

1055
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: I also it was really weird vehicle that kind of

1056
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: scared people off too, because the person you are rooting

1057
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: for in that situation is not a robot a woman,

1058
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: but it's a robot who is then also going into

1059
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: the world and clearly about to cause some kind of

1060
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: robot revolution or some kind of recognition that you know,

1061
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: we see her show the other woman her metalhand. Yeah,

1062
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: I loved Companion. I thought it was gonna be like

1063
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: a big smash hit. I think revealing the twist with.

1064
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 5: The issue in the trailers, well not only are the trailers,

1065
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 5: but the poster as well. Even the poster reveals the twist.

1066
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: And I think as well that interestingly, that is probably

1067
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: the side of those stories that is always going to

1068
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: be more interesting to people, is like, what if you

1069
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: are a tool that is being used in a way

1070
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: that is unfair or cruel and then you hit back.

1071
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, we love that from the days of old

1072
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: revenge horror movies, exploitation, even black Expectation coffee, you know,

1073
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: a lot of those movies are about people, so usually

1074
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: women striking back, and I think that is a profound

1075
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: thing in Companion, and I would love that in the future,

1076
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: like AI bots, that will inevitably exist. I would love

1077
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: if that's like their favorite movie and they'll start. So

1078
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: that's also a big year for first time horror directors.

1079
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: Drew Hancock, who made Companion first horror film. Obviously biggest

1080
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: horror movie of the year is Sinners by Ryan Coogler,

1081
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: his first horror Unbelievable that is currently Good Boy on

1082
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: another fantastic movie that we love that I also think

1083
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Speaker 1: is very inventive. I think this is a really great

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Speaker 1: year for horror, and I think it will be looked

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Speaker 1: back upon as such. It's interesting to talk about twenty

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Speaker 1: five years twenty years ago when you know we've had

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Speaker 1: twenty years to look back and with these we're really

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Speaker 1: kind of living through it. Just before we leave, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to read the top five current Letterbox Community horrors

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. Letterbox just revealed that twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five best twenty five horrors. Now I will say we

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Speaker 1: just have foundantastic fest so some of these are not

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Speaker 1: out yet. Sinners number one, correct. I think for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm putting out there guys, I think Sinners is the

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Speaker 1: movie of the year. I think it's the best movie

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Speaker 1: of the year. I don't think there's a movie that

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Speaker 1: comes close. I know a lot of dudes are out

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Speaker 1: there saying it's one battle after another. I do not

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Speaker 1: think that has the juice compared to Sinners. It's a fun,

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Speaker 1: what buster action by an auteur, but it's not Sinners.

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Speaker 1: Sinners is a transcendent film. Number two is a movie

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Speaker 1: called Obsession, which I am so excited about. Just debuted

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Speaker 1: at Fantastic Fest, so we have we have not had

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Speaker 1: a chance to watch it yet because it is not

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Speaker 1: currently outcommon. I think you were gonna love this.

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Speaker 5: Am I gonna be obsessed?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be obsessed. It's by director Curry Barker, and

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Speaker 1: it has a very simple premise. Okay, when a hopeless

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01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: romantic makes a wish that his longtime crush falls in

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Speaker 1: love with him, a sinister enchantment ensues. So it's the

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01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: practical magic be careful what you wish for. He wishes

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Speaker 1: that this girl loved him, and it is. It was

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Speaker 1: actually the biggest financial pickup at Tip International Film Festival.

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Speaker 1: It's basically being described by some reviewers, including Josh Lewis

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Speaker 1: on Letterbox. I like this description. It's a high concept,

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01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: cringey team rom com turned gory possession.

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Speaker 5: Movie and a simulator the movie exactly right.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is We're ready for it. The third

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Speaker 1: one is another one that I haven't seen, called The Plague,

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Speaker 1: which looks.

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Speaker 5: Like it is a sounds like a Robert Eggers movie.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, I'm like a socially awkward tween endures

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Speaker 1: the ruthless hierarchy at a water polo camp, his anxiety

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01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: spiraling into psychological turmoil over the summer. Sounds a bit

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Speaker 1: rough for me. I gotta tell you guys, that's two sounds.

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Speaker 5: Rough, but actually more childhood trauma.

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Speaker 1: Big childhood trauma movie. This is People are saying this

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Speaker 1: is the second best horror movie of the year. I mean.

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Speaker 1: David Rlick, Indie Wire's film critic, wrote, sometimes I'm so

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Speaker 1: fucking glad I never had to be young again, And honestly,

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01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: I feel that every single day I am. I'm always

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Speaker 1: glad that I am not a child, So that one

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Speaker 1: is meant to be incredible, very like middle grade Horror

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Speaker 1: Bullying Number four, another movie that has not had a

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Speaker 1: wide release yet, but I have only heard incredible things

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Speaker 1: about Is It Ends, which is very I've heard, very unexpected,

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Speaker 1: and it is about friends who are on a late

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01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: night food run who become trapped on an infinite highway

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Speaker 1: with other worldly terrors lurking beyond and the whole movie

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01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: they're just in the jeep Cherokee. But everyone says it's

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Speaker 1: so good, like Supersentive exactly. And also this is quite

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Speaker 1: interesting to me too because it is also something that

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Speaker 1: we are going to see in one of my most

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01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: anticipated movies, which is Exit eight, a Japanese horror movie

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01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: that has been on the tour right the press right now,

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Speaker 1: and it is about It's based on an really cheap

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: online like three dollars indie game where you basically have

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Speaker 1: to escape from a Japanese subway by noticing anomalies.

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Speaker 5: Yes I've I have, yes ooh.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very excited about that one. And finally the

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Speaker 1: Fix one is weapons. So, as you know, guys, we

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: are clearly big fans Gladys year, and it has been

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Speaker 1: a great year for horror. I would just say, like

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Speaker 1: the fact that there's three movies on there we haven't seen,

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Speaker 1: hints that again, this is probably gonna be one of

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Speaker 1: those things that we look back on and say, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: I mean this, Yeah, twenty twenty five great year for horror.

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Speaker 5: I have to say, I was looking at the list

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Speaker 5: of horror movies before we started this recording, and I

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Speaker 5: have to say, I haven't seen I haven't seen most

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Speaker 5: of them, and that just tells me that, like, this

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Speaker 5: genre is alive and thriving, and that just makes me

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Speaker 5: really happy. Honestly.

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Speaker 1: It is the biggest, I mean, the funniest thing is

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Speaker 1: the biggest difference between twenty five and twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: It's streaming now. There are so many streaming services. We

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Speaker 1: have movies like The Ugly Stepsister. Didn't even talk about

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Speaker 1: that fucking incredible movie. It's on shutter Like that's a

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Speaker 1: original Frankenstein. That's number nine of the Letterbox Top ten,

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Speaker 1: which we obviously we haven't had a chance to see yet,

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Speaker 1: coming coming soon and it will be in theaters, but

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Speaker 1: it's going to Netflix. I think we get so many

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Speaker 1: more I didn't even talk about. You know, there's definitely

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Speaker 1: been an interesting era. This year of couple's horror Together

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Speaker 1: Together Companion. These notions are a bone lake, which again

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Speaker 1: I had Mercedes on to talk about such a fun,

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Speaker 1: weird horror movie. It has been a fantastic there's also

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Speaker 1: Code Perform. I want to say Codependent. Yes, And obviously

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Speaker 1: you know Jason is not here to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to shout out one of his

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Speaker 1: favorite movies that he pointed out to me from this year,

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Speaker 1: which is Friendship by A twenty four And finally he

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01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 1: is right. It's on hbox. That Ship is shot and

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01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: filmed like an A twenty four horror movie, but it

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01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: is like a comedy and kind of about those awkward

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: the awkward nature of being a human and trying to

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Speaker 1: make adult friends. So yeah, interesting year, comment and a

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Speaker 1: great great episode. Thank you to Joel for thinking this

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Speaker 1: was so fun. But yes, thank you so much, comment

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Speaker 1: for joining us, appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow and Extra Vision.

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Speaker 2: We've got another episode of XRGC where we'll be talking

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Speaker 2: about monster movie remakes. Are they good? Do we hate them?

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Speaker 1: And we love them? Do we need them?

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Speaker 2: What lessons to glean from the box office returns of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five no superhero movies in the top five

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Speaker 2: grossing films.

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Speaker 1: Folks, is it? What does it mean?

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Speaker 5: What does it?

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode next for listening. X ray

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Speaker 2: Vision is hosted by Jason steps Young and Rosie Night

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are l Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wag.

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Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 2: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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