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Speaker 1: the Shawn Hannity Radio Show podcast. This is Jonathan Gilham

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Speaker 1: filling in for Shaun Hannity on the Shawn Hannity Radio Show.

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Speaker 1: And it's almost Thanksgiving, folks. Great to be back here.

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Speaker 1: Those of you that don't know who I am, And

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised there's still people that don't know who I am.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. I'm actually very humble. I'm a former

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Speaker 1: Navy seal, Federal or Marshall security contractor, and FBI special

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Speaker 1: two days ago, uh, Andrew Webb, nobody knows who that is,

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Speaker 1: but I guess the combination of David Webb and Andrew Wilkom,

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Speaker 1: so we got a lot to talk about. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time I've been back on this show.

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Speaker 1: Actually it's a second time. I was one once for

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Speaker 1: a guest. Since Trump won the campaign for President of

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Speaker 1: the United States and is now the president elect, and um,

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Speaker 1: inform not only the American people, but listen, I'm not

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Speaker 1: am to get the word to him of what we

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Speaker 1: feel now. First and foremost, we. When I say we,

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Speaker 1: We have one special interest. The people that elected Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump this time had one main special interest, and that's freedom,

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Speaker 1: That's the Constitution. We did have a a sub interest

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Speaker 1: in that, and that's getting rid of Hillary Clinton and

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Speaker 1: the whole Clinton organized crime syndicate, which as of now,

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Speaker 1: their money base and their ability to maneuver has been

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Speaker 1: slowed down. Don't think that they're gone. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: do a show every night nine pm on Facebook Live

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Speaker 1: on my Facebook page Jonathan T. Gilliam. It's called the Experts.

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Speaker 1: Have a great group of loyal listeners, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: one day I was sitting there, the show is about

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Speaker 1: know that when you win a victory, you don't go

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Speaker 1: But the reality is, the American citizenry going back to

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Speaker 1: Rest not, and trust not. For the serpent is tightening

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Speaker 1: That's the reality. You can call it isol Al Qaeda

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Speaker 1: it's not one group. It's a global ideology. So joining

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Speaker 1: security round up. It is Rich Higgins, Vice President Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Regular Warfare Program. And Dr Sebastian Gorka, probably one of

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Speaker 1: bestseller Defeating Jihad. Uh. Welcome both guys. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: So let me start with UH. With Rich Rich, I

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Speaker 1: Just you know, it's coming in here. And what you're

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Speaker 1: When the enemy gets to control what you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: January twenties. The censorship, the ideologically driven per version of

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Speaker 1: secreting themselves in some way in a lower area of

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Speaker 1: is a religion of peace. You don't need to know

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Speaker 1: One thing I always talked about is especially with communism,

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Speaker 1: My question now is, you know, are we looking as

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, looking at this from a strategic standpoint, because

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Speaker 1: thousand cups in the law fifteen years, even though the

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Speaker 1: The fact is we have been without a strategy for

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Speaker 1: been completely tactical in this war because the administration has

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Speaker 1: denied who the enemy is and what they believe. This changes.

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Speaker 1: Just listen to Donald Trump's speeches, go to the website.

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Speaker 1: Look at the plan of action. Look at the fact

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Speaker 1: ideology of the jihadist from day one. He's got He's

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Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, the most senior military intelligence officer inside the

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Speaker 1: Defense establishment, that is his National security advisor. He's got

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Speaker 1: represent the Pompeios, who understands the threat implicitly as his

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Speaker 1: CIA Director designate. And then he's got his new a

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Speaker 1: it will be like a breath of fresh January one.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna I'm gonna play Devil's advocate to that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know the American people and myself included. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of politicians being recycled in the cabinet positions.

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Speaker 1: Why is it that again, I'm playing Devil's advocate here.

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of these guys that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: But why is it that we don't have a former

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Speaker 1: Why do we have to have recycled politicians put into

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of the Interior. That individual is there because

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Speaker 1: echo that, John, I'll say they do bear the political responsibility.

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Speaker 1: And for the listening audient to take closer attention to

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Speaker 1: gotta take a break. If you guys want to stay on,

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Speaker 1: we'll come back for another short part of this segment.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you at least one more question.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I understand that. And it's funny that

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Speaker 1: with the FBI. The biggest, most incompetent people in the

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Speaker 1: bureau are the deputy directors. This is Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 1: as uh he just said right there, this is a

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Speaker 1: such a good line up for you here. I'm bringing

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Speaker 1: Jessica vaugh on right now. And what I want to

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Speaker 1: talk with Jessica about um. She's a director of policy

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Speaker 1: studies at the Center for immigration studies, and I want

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Speaker 1: going back on his pledges and saying all this things

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Speaker 1: going back on what he campaigned for. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get Jessica's um kind of her her idea of

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Speaker 1: to be here, Jonathan, So what do you think? What

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Speaker 1: handle the country's immigration crisis? Um? Is it going to

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Speaker 1: let them do their job. Um. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: immigration enforcement, and restore partnerships with state and local law

641
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Speaker 1: enforcement agencies. All of these things are going to mean

642
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Speaker 1: that we're going to have the rule of law restored

643
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: in immigration policy and lead to a smaller population of

644
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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants and fewer people trying to get here illegally.

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Speaker 1: And and there are a number of ways he can

646
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Speaker 1: do this through his authority as president. I think the

647
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: first thing he wants to do is rescind all of

648
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Speaker 1: the improper executive actions that President Obama did that have

649
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: brought us to the state of immigration anarchy. Uh. But

650
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Speaker 1: then you know, I I have a feeling that he's

651
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Speaker 1: probably going to want to work for some legislative changes

652
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: as well. But there's a there's a lot of things

653
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Speaker 1: he can do on his own. And as I said,

654
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Speaker 1: the first thing is to just let the career men

655
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Speaker 1: and women in the immigration enforcement agencies do their jobs.

656
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: In the catch and release, and that's going to make

657
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Speaker 1: a big difference by itself. Now, let me ask you

658
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: that him up with this idea I wanted, actually, Rich Higgins,

659
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: that was I just had on talking about Islam and

660
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: the threat that Islam poses and how Donald Trump's gonna

661
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: handle that. So I was talking to him a couple

662
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: of weeks ago about an idea that I came up

663
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: with for and other people may have come up with

664
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: a similar idea, but I don't I don't understand it

665
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Speaker 1: would be this whole talk about a registry thing started

666
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: coming up, and you know that's gonna cause problems as

667
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: soon as that gets on TV. Why would it be

668
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: a good idea if we came up with a contract

669
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Speaker 1: for undocumented workers, right we we could call it whatever.

670
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna make the left happy, because you have to

671
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Speaker 1: appease the left some somewhat, So we call we come

672
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: up with a contract for people who were here and

673
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: can show proof that they've been working, and they have

674
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Speaker 1: to sign this contract and they'll get a Worker's i D.

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Speaker 1: But the contract is very very stringent, and if they

676
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: break any of the things on the contract. So here's

677
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: the catches. You sign this contract. You have to follow

678
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: the law to the t because if you do anything,

679
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: then you're booted out forever, never to come back. So

680
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: it's something like that, could that be done? And why

681
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't they do that? Where? Because exactly what you're saying.

682
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: I have a lot of good friends that are in ICE.

683
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: I used to be an FBI agent and I've dealt

684
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: with illegals, and they need to focus on the bad guys.

685
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: And the one way that we could do that. I'm

686
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: not for amnesty, but I am for giving people that

687
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: are already working, uh, giving them a break, but but

688
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: making them because amnesty kind of just gives you know,

689
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: you're here, stay here. I'm okay with giving them a

690
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: break as long as there's a standard that they have

691
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: to be held to, and if they break this stand,

692
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Speaker 1: they're gone. That way, the ICE guys that belong to ICE,

693
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Speaker 1: the men and women that are going out there finding

694
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Speaker 1: these people, enforcing the laws that are on the books,

695
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: can focus solely on them and put all their manpower

696
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Speaker 1: towards that. Well. I agree that sworn law enforcement officers

697
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Speaker 1: at ICE and UM Border Patrol, they you know, need

698
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: to be free up to focus on the biggest problems

699
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: the criminal aliens. But there's a couple of problems um

700
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Speaker 1: with what you suggest, and one is that, first of all,

701
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: a lot of illegal aliens are committing other crimes because

702
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: if they're working here illegally, um, they're usually committing i D.

703
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Speaker 1: Theft or misrepresenting themselves or you know, other problems. So

704
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: you know that in itself on a practical level makes

705
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: it difficult. But the main problem is that that they

706
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: are here working in jobs that unemployed Americans and legal

707
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: immigrants should have first access to. So I don't think

708
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Speaker 1: that there may be a point in time when we

709
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: can move to some kind of legalization for certain illegal

710
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: aliens who are here, but we cannot do that until

711
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: enforcement is restored, so that so that we won't repeat

712
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: the mistakes of the past where the amnesty came at

713
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: the big getting and then the enforcement promises were never met.

714
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: We need to restore enforcement first, make sure that's working

715
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Speaker 1: so that the anyone who is legalized is not replaced

716
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Speaker 1: by more illegal immigrants who come in with the expectation

717
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Speaker 1: of eventually getting amnesty. So I don't want to say

718
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: that's completely off the table, but you know, we need

719
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: to recognize first of all that illegal immigration is not

720
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Speaker 1: this benign thing that you know, it disadvantages Americans and

721
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Speaker 1: legal immigrants in the workforce. And secondly, you know, we

722
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Speaker 1: have to do things in the proper sequence to make

723
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Speaker 1: sure that it actually helps solve the problem. See that

724
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: sequence there is, and I agree with everything you're saying.

725
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: That sequence, though, is where I'm concerned because from a

726
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: law enforcement perspective, Um, if you can get certain people

727
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: to come out and expose themselves and say this is

728
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: who I am and give them that, not not only

729
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: are you giving them an opportunity, but you're also now

730
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: you contract them. Now you have their fingerprints, now you

731
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: have uh you know, you have them on contract. The

732
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: problem I'm seeing with this whole process is what you're

733
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 1: talking about, the process of not going too far too

734
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: fast one way, and then the other problem is the

735
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: resources and manpower to go and get the bad people

736
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Speaker 1: and the people who are breaking laws. I mean, at

737
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: what point, at what laws do we say, Okay, we're

738
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: gonna forgive this. If you have a fake I D

739
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 1: bring that in, You're gonna surrender that, and we're gonna

740
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: give you a reality. I mean something like that. But

741
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: there the ice and the other agencies are just gonna

742
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: be so overloaded it's and what's crazy is in the

743
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: cities where there's the most illegal aliens is where they're

744
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: gonna have the hardest time because the city officials just

745
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: won't cooperate. M. Well, yeah, I can understand that. Um,

746
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: the sanctuary cities need to be dealt with because these

747
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: policies are a hazard for public safety in the community.

748
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: And then you know, we need to um thought the

749
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: obstruction of enforcement that's happening in these cities. UM, And

750
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: there are you know, I said, there are ways that

751
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: that ICE resources can be used very effectively to go

752
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: after the two million criminal aliens that we know are

753
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: in the country already and deal with other high priorities

754
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: like people who have been deported before and um, people

755
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: who have committed crimes who have skipped out on their

756
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: hearings so they don't have a conviction. I agree that

757
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: that the law enforcement resources need to be focused on that,

758
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: but there are ways to process them quickly that don't

759
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: take a lot of resources. What really needs to happen, too,

760
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: is we need to have work site enforcement that can

761
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: be accomplished through a combination of payroll audits and UM

762
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: having Social Security Administration and the i r S work

763
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: together to ferret out who's working with fake UM ideas

764
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: and to take action against the employers to create a

765
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: disincent for people to coming here. If people can't get

766
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: a job, they're not going to come illegally, or at

767
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: least it's going to cut way back on it. So

768
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: if we if ICE also focuses some resources on work

769
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: site enforcement, then some people are going to leave on

770
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: their own, and they'll be able to devote most of

771
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: their agent time to the ones who are really a

772
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: threat to public safety. So a combination of the two

773
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Speaker 1: approaches is going to work. Plusant, you know, an entry

774
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: exit tracking system to deal with the overstays UM. So,

775
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, anybody who had this idea that a Trump

776
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: administration was going to have ICE agents out on the

777
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: street patrolling and you know, knocking on doors to try

778
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: to remove every illegal alien is just repeating Hillary Clinton's

779
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: cartoon version that she wanted people to believe. That's not

780
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: how it in immigration enforcement works best, and that's not

781
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: what the plan is. As far as I can see,

782
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: there are a lot better ways to do it that

783
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: are you know, would be better stewardship of taxpayer resources.

784
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: And at some point, I imagine there probably are going

785
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: to be people who are now here illegally who are

786
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: allowed to stay. But you know, we just we have

787
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: to get to a point where the you know, the

788
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: laws are being enforced before that can happen. Well, now,

789
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: so I agree, it's funny because we're agreeing on all

790
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: the same things. I think we're just looking at the

791
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: at the schedule in which a lot of these things

792
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: are done. Because one of the other thing I'm looking

793
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: at here is that and there's gonna be so much

794
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: disruptive behavior against Trump for everything that he does, we

795
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: can expect exactly and any any extent that we can

796
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: lessen that because the disruption is gonna be It may

797
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: not disrupt him, but it's gonna disrupt the people and

798
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: the movement that has grown of the awakening American uh

799
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: conservative in this country. So I just, you know, I

800
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: have to say I think that there's a way there too,

801
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: because I worked in and around I'm not gonna go

802
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: into great detail when I was in the FBI, but

803
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: I worked in and around a lot with um Eagles

804
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 1: and pulling them into doing mass arrest of a lot

805
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: of these people that are involved in prostitution and so

806
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: in trafficking and stuff, And I definitely see that the

807
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: ease in which some places where you can go in Chinatown,

808
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: other places in big cities where you can go in

809
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: and literally clean up the whole neighborhood by just walking

810
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: into restaurants. I mean, boom, boom, boom, You're gonna get

811
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: illegals all over the place. But there's a lot of

812
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: people that have been here for a long time and

813
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: they've been working hard. And while I'm not supporting how

814
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: they got here, I'm trying to think of a way

815
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: to lessen the chaos that's gonna come from the left.

816
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: And that's why I think this should at least be

817
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: tossed around. I'm not even hearing about something and wording

818
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: it in a way that makes that appeases them, like

819
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: a contract with undocumented workers. So yes, I I know

820
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: what you mean. I mean the U the opponents of

821
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: immigration enforcement are are already, you know, vowing legal action

822
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: and saying that you know it can't be done. You

823
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: know that Trump's vision is not going to succeed. I

824
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: disagree with them. I don't think that, Uh, when President

825
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: Elect Trump should apologize for wanting to enforce the law,

826
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: but he does. I mean, the career people at ICE

827
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: and and the other immigration agencies know how to do

828
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: this professionally. Um, they know what works. And it's not

829
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: going to happen overnight. This population of eleven and a

830
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: half million people didn't arrive overnight. We're not going to

831
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: turn it around in a short period of time. There's

832
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: going to be some attrition that happens, and that's less

833
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: disruptive for the economy. It gives employers a chance to

834
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Speaker 1: adjust their hiring practices so that they comply with the law.

835
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Speaker 1: And you know, there there there may be some people

836
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Speaker 1: who end up being legalized. Um. You know, and maybe

837
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: what we have to do is cut legal immigration levels

838
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: so that we can absorb any of the people who've

839
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: been here illegally for a long time being able to

840
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: stay in the country. I mean, that's that's a possible

841
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: compromise that I think would be popular with a lot

842
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: of people. And say, Okay, if all these people are

843
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: going to end up staying, we need to put the

844
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: brakes on legal immigration for a while, um, so that

845
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: we can put a lot of Americans and and other

846
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: recent arrivals to work in these jobs that have been

847
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: held by um, illegal aliens for so long. It's not

848
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know, anybody sees that we

849
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: don't want to do something that's disruptive and um, you know,

850
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: harmful to communities. But we do need to restore our

851
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: policy to the point where it's not harming those Americans

852
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: who deserve a shot at those jobs. Okay, I got

853
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: like fifteen seconds, real quick. I keep getting this over

854
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: and over and over. George Soros is a real problem

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Speaker 1: for this country. Um, how can we in the federal

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Speaker 1: government go after that guy? And I don't know, but

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Speaker 1: I do know. You know, if Senator Jeff Sessions becomes

858
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Speaker 1: Attorney general, those lawsuits are are at standing a much

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Speaker 1: less chance of success the one, so he'll be throwing

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Speaker 1: his money away. But I'd like to see that fight. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: same here. Listen, Thank you very much, have a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Jessica Vaughan, director of Policy Studies at the Center for

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Speaker 1: Immigration Studies, thank you for being here and we I

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Speaker 1: do appreciate your insight. Thank you having a good Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: This is Jonathan Gilham back for the last hour, filling

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Speaker 1: in for Shawn Handy on the Handity Radio show just

867
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Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving. If you're traveling, if you're out on the road,

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Speaker 1: if you're truck or driving, if you're a trucker, thank

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Speaker 1: you for bringing the turkeys and the presence that you

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Speaker 1: do every year, for the guns and the bullets that

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Speaker 1: you deliver, for everything that you do for this country.

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Speaker 1: You are the backbone of this country. And we thank

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Speaker 1: you for all the truckers out there. I'm gonna bring

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Speaker 1: on just a second, my friend Laura Munos, Navy veteran,

875
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Speaker 1: Dave Robinson, former marine. Before I bring them on, i

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Speaker 1: just wanna tell everybody that I've been talking about my

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Speaker 1: show The Experts that I do every night at nine

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Speaker 1: William And what you can do is get involved in

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Speaker 1: the dialogue as I give my spill and we have

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Speaker 1: to keep this movement that has started over the past

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Speaker 1: it on my Facebook page. What I'm trying to do

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Speaker 1: is raise money to take this show, the Facebook Live show,

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896
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Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, texting back and forth with each other,

897
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Speaker 1: you can share your concerns. Imagine if we had a

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Speaker 1: rally like Donald Trump had, but I had I gave

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Speaker 1: I had the stage in the middle of it, and

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Speaker 1: so that everybody gets an opportunity to share what they think.

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Speaker 1: That's what the goal is. The Experts is a show

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Speaker 1: on there and buy and large. The American people are

904
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Speaker 1: the You are the experts of this country. You're the

905
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Speaker 1: experts of freedom. You live in it every day. So

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Speaker 1: Give me five dollars, give whatever you got, help me

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Speaker 1: get this thing on the road and fund it and uh,

909
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Speaker 1: and I'll bring the show to your city. Let's go

910
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Speaker 1: now to my good buddy Dave Robinson, former Marine West Virginia,

911
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Speaker 1: my rest Virginia reporter on my show, UH the Experts,

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Speaker 1: and Laura Munio's a beautiful young woman former UH Navy

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Speaker 1: air traffic controller and public affairs. Well it is a

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Speaker 1: public affair officer or public affairs what would it be

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Speaker 1: specialist specialists? There you go? Yeah, um, thank you both.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I brought you both on is that

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Speaker 1: and I'll stop talking to your second that you talk

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Speaker 1: is Laura is younger. She's a millennial right on the

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Speaker 1: cust and I'll say you're on the cusp of being

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Speaker 1: a millennial. Davis. David's my age. Dave's in his forties

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Speaker 1: and um, and then I've talked to other people that

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Speaker 1: you know, have been in their sixties that served in

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Speaker 1: the military. This whole show, we've been talking about national

924
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Speaker 1: security and the dangers to this country. And as I

925
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Speaker 1: said at the beginning, the biggest national security threat to

926
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Speaker 1: this country is when the population goes to sleep. A

927
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Speaker 1: free population that is asleep is a free population that's

928
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Speaker 1: just waiting to be manipulated by nefarious, nefarious entities. So

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Speaker 1: I felt it important to bring to Laura and Dave

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Speaker 1: on and talk about this thread of service that only

931
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Speaker 1: one percent of the population actually commit to, and how

932
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Speaker 1: what it did to you all does a matter of

933
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Speaker 1: if you're sixty or thirty or forty, what did it

934
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Speaker 1: do to you to make you see the reality of

935
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Speaker 1: what freedom is and what is service done? The service

936
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Speaker 1: that you've you've you know, you've gone out there and done.

937
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Speaker 1: What did it do to you to help you better

938
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Speaker 1: yourself as an American? Well ahead, Laura will start with Laura. Oh. First,

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Speaker 1: on that, I want to thank you for having me

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Speaker 1: on today. Don't be nervous. There's only seventeen million people listening,

941
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Speaker 1: so don't be nervous. Okay, great, Well, as long as

942
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Speaker 1: there's not eighteen million, I think we'll be okay. Honestly,

943
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Speaker 1: service has really improved my life and my outlook on UM,

944
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Speaker 1: on life itself. I hate to admit this, but before

945
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Speaker 1: I joined the military, while in college, like many other

946
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Speaker 1: college students, I was a hard core liberal, democratic, progressive

947
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. UM, I really thought I

948
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Speaker 1: knew everything a lot of college students do, and I

949
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Speaker 1: think that's the problem today. After I joined the service

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Speaker 1: and I had a little more experience working with people

951
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Speaker 1: of different cultures and people from all over the country,

952
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Speaker 1: my attitude changed just because I feel that I'm matured

953
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Speaker 1: and understood things more. I think that's um part of

954
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Speaker 1: the problem that we have in society, especially with college

955
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Speaker 1: aged his, is they aren't really exposed to other people

956
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Speaker 1: from other parts of the country. They live in a bubble.

957
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Speaker 1: On their college campuses, were around people who have the

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Speaker 1: same you know, group think that they do. Everyone fels

959
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Speaker 1: and thinks the same, and they don't celebrate diversity as

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Speaker 1: you do in the military, where you have people of

961
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Speaker 1: all religions, all skin colors, um, all ethnicities. Now, Dave,

962
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Speaker 1: what about you, you were you were liberal when you

963
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Speaker 1: were younger, or they were you conservative your whole life.

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Speaker 1: I believe everybody's probably liberal when they're younger, just because

965
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Speaker 1: you know, right when I was graduating school is when

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Speaker 1: Clinton was running, you know. So he was the one

967
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Speaker 1: who started the going on the MTV, you know, and

968
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Speaker 1: trying to appeal to all the kids. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: the cool guy, you know. So you know, I was

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Speaker 1: what eighteen at the time. You know, so I've dumb

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Speaker 1: enough to fall for it too. But um, how do

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Speaker 1: were you when you went in the Marine Corps? I was.

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Speaker 1: I signed up when I was eighteen and I was

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Speaker 1: on deferred deferred entry. So uh, when I actually went

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Speaker 1: to boot camp, I was nineteen. That's young. And so

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Speaker 1: what how did it change you this? You know, once

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Speaker 1: you got in there and you went through you know,

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Speaker 1: boot camp in the Marine Corps is uh is not easy,

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Speaker 1: and so they they have an I tell you, the

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Speaker 1: Marines have an incredible way of breaking a person down

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Speaker 1: and building them into a marine. Which is why I

982
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Speaker 1: always say leaders are not born. Some people are born

983
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Speaker 1: with leadership skills, but buying large, leaders are are created

984
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Speaker 1: through life experiences. The Marine Corps does a great job

985
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Speaker 1: of secreting those life experiences into your brain. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest things for me because, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just from a tiny little town here in West Virginia,

988
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Speaker 1: and you know, we had one Hispanic person in my school,

989
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Speaker 1: one black person in my school, and a uh an

990
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Speaker 1: Asian foreign exchange student in a Spanish foreign exchange student,

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Speaker 1: So that you know that was as much as it

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Speaker 1: has you know, I you know, I just did. I

993
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Speaker 1: didn't know anybody, you know, just because they weren't around.

994
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Speaker 1: So you've got TV constantly beaten to you, well, this

995
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Speaker 1: is how this group of people thinks, and this is

996
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Speaker 1: how this group of people thinks, you know, and they

997
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: just constantly, you know, divide everybody up and just put

998
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Speaker 1: you into these little groups. Will the military don't do that?

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Speaker 1: You know, as soon as you go in you're all

1000
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Speaker 1: in there, you're all a dressed the same, you're all

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Speaker 1: you know, you look the same, You've got the same

1002
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Speaker 1: bad haircut, you've everything about you, and you're all fighting

1003
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Speaker 1: or just whatever it is that you know, working for

1004
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: the same goal. So going in there, you know, that

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Speaker 1: was that was my first exposure to, you know, people

1006
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Speaker 1: of other other races, of their backgrounds, you know, people

1007
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Speaker 1: who you know, just grew up with some of these

1008
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Speaker 1: awful places like Chicago and things, you know, where people

1009
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Speaker 1: you know there was gang members and things. And I

1010
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: just kind of blew my mind when, especially getting out

1011
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: of boot camp and you start seeing people how they

1012
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Speaker 1: are when they put on their civilian clothes and the

1013
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: music they're into. But then you you realize that, you know,

1014
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Speaker 1: you're great friends with these people. You know that you're

1015
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Speaker 1: not really different, and they just that was the biggest

1016
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Speaker 1: change for me. And that's you know what's interesting. You

1017
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Speaker 1: know what's interesting that you're both saying there is that

1018
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Speaker 1: And I want the American people to really think about

1019
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: this when you go into the military. And I have

1020
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Speaker 1: the same experience. I went as an officer. I was

1021
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Speaker 1: trained by Marine corpsial instructor and officer UH a Navy

1022
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Speaker 1: officer candidate school UH John Crouch, who have had on

1023
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Speaker 1: this program before, amazing leader. And we are taught, whether

1024
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Speaker 1: it's Laura Dave, myself or anybody else UH that's out

1025
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Speaker 1: there that served, We're taught UM standard operating procedures, were

1026
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Speaker 1: taught task organization, We're taught how to streamline things and

1027
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Speaker 1: how to work together. And it's it's interesting because the

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Speaker 1: military is teaching in boot camp exactly what you should

1029
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Speaker 1: understand as an American citizen, UH, somebody who is a

1030
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Speaker 1: free citizen. But because the family UH structure has completely

1031
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: disintegrated in this country, those things are not taught. And

1032
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Speaker 1: those are basic human UH. Any human being that is

1033
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Speaker 1: somebody who UH strives to be the best they can

1034
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Speaker 1: be are going to learn those things. But they're not taught.

1035
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: They're not taught in school, they're not taught in the family.

1036
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Speaker 1: And most people, you know, a lot of people, especially

1037
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Speaker 1: the inter city, don't even have families, Laura. Yeah, it's

1038
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: a shame. I believe that. Um, what is the statistic?

1039
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Speaker 1: Nearly seventy five percent of all African American children are

1040
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Speaker 1: born out of bloodlock? You know it's because is that correct? Yeah,

1041
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: but it's unbelievable. Yeah, it's a huge it is unbelievable.

1042
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate too because there's child in a lot of

1043
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: them don't have father figures in their life to see

1044
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Speaker 1: them right from wrong. And not saying that a mother

1045
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: or a single father can't teach a child, but it

1046
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: is important to have those two different dynamic roles. And

1047
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: where's you know, raise uh, you know, a good child

1048
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: and a lot of this, uh, these areas and if

1049
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: a single parent, which is a mother, is busy working

1050
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Speaker 1: all the time and there's not a father ron who

1051
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Speaker 1: was watching these children, they're getting raised by the streets.

1052
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Speaker 1: And that is a big our issue that we have,

1053
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Speaker 1: which is contributing to the crime in the earth. And yeah, Dave, Yeah,

1054
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Speaker 1: but I got greet you know, they and uh, when

1055
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Speaker 1: they're put in that position. You know, when you grow

1056
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Speaker 1: up like that and it doesn't matter what race you are,

1057
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Speaker 1: you know, but when you run in an area and

1058
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Speaker 1: you grow up like that and you have the media

1059
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Speaker 1: and everybody else constantly given you a free pass that

1060
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Speaker 1: you know, oh well, you're doing this because when things

1061
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Speaker 1: are so bad where you live, there's you know, nobody

1062
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Speaker 1: has any incentive to change any of that, to be

1063
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Speaker 1: a better person or you know anything, right. You know,

1064
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Speaker 1: it's interesting, Dave, you told me, and I knew. I

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Speaker 1: grew up in Arkansas this very similar circumstances. People used

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Speaker 1: to you know, have their rifles in their trucks and

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Speaker 1: in your case, they would go hunting and carry the

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Speaker 1: guns and put them in their lockers at school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: World season, you can get out on it. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: so that as the family disintegrated, as the politicians, the

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Speaker 1: liberal left in these communists that we're talking about earlier

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Speaker 1: stepping the first thing we want to do is get

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Speaker 1: rid of the guns. Will come up with any any

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Speaker 1: excuse to get rid of the freedom of to bear arms. Um,

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Speaker 1: It's is so interesting, how and I'm sure I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's what it was with you, Laura, where

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Speaker 1: you grew up. But you know, it was just a

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Speaker 1: way of life and responsibility of firearms and responsible and

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Speaker 1: understanding of why you could carry those things. It was

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Speaker 1: just part of who you were. It was like that

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Speaker 1: where I grew up. Actually, um, I'm not sure Wharry

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Speaker 1: Davis from in West Virginia, but I'm from the Mahonean

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Speaker 1: County area, which is Youngstown, Ohio, and we're only, you know,

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Speaker 1: a good minutes from West Virginia. So I grew up

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Speaker 1: in a rural town in Columbiana County, which we didn't

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Speaker 1: even have a stop light in our town. Our highlight

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Speaker 1: was a fairy queen. Hey, we got one. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of diversity and my school systemater I

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Speaker 1: graduated with about fifty nine kids in my graduating class.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe you had any any black shoulder any

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Speaker 1: as you to learn any anyone besides white people. And

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Speaker 1: so it was actually a great experience for me to

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Speaker 1: go to college and to be in the military so

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Speaker 1: I could meet people and learn about people from different

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Speaker 1: cultures because I didn't get that where I was growing up,

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Speaker 1: and they also didn't understand are, um, how are interested

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Speaker 1: in hunting and carrying guns. It was nothing to us

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Speaker 1: where I'm from, but it was a very big you know,

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Speaker 1: and carrying them was different than it was to us

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Speaker 1: in the rural town. That's that's a big thing too,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you know, it wasn't just my getting

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Speaker 1: out here and seeing these people, you know, it's the

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Speaker 1: people that I were friends with. You know. They never

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Speaker 1: imagine they'd be friends with some you know, guy from

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Speaker 1: a hicktown in West Virginia. You know, and you can

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Speaker 1: always spot military guys and you go out of town

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Speaker 1: because they all dressed so different. You know, you got

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Speaker 1: this guy who's got you know, cowboy boots on in

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Speaker 1: the fifty gallon hat, and another guy's got his big

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Speaker 1: pants on and everything else for the had cock sideways

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Speaker 1: and they're hilarious to see. But yeah, it's funny because

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Speaker 1: you would never catch people that are that look that

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Speaker 1: different together. Normally, the guy with a hat would be

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Speaker 1: with somebody with hatton, vice versa. Listen, I got about

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds left, so real quick, I want to ask

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Speaker 1: both of you, um, what what do you want to

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Speaker 1: American public to know about service? Real quick? About thirty

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Speaker 1: secs and fifteen seconds each. Go ahead, go ahead. Oh

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, ladies first, Um, well, I think

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Speaker 1: it's important, you know. I think it's grooms leaders and

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Speaker 1: you know, whether you're you don't have to be a

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Speaker 1: somebody's going to be a CEO and a company or

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Speaker 1: you know, even the president, but just a leader and

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Speaker 1: community or a leader in your family. Laura, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: It just teached you to work with one another. Just

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Speaker 1: like our politicians stood in Washington, DC. You got all

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Speaker 1: the same, you don't agree the same, but you have

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Speaker 1: to have a one common goal for the Americans people,

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Speaker 1: and that is to get things done. Awesome. Look I

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Speaker 1: gave him thirty seconds and they did it. Thank you both,

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Speaker 1: God bless you have a great thanksgiving. Laura Munos and

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Speaker 1: Dave Robson to American he row veterans, thank you. Well,

1133
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Speaker 1: this is Sean Hannity Radio show. Guys, will be right back,

1134
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: fight sized or you know the show that you can

1135
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: take with you. I'll sign up today for Hannity Headlines.

1136
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: Go to Hannity dot com. I just want to see

1137
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: thank you. You saved me in so many ways in

1138
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: recent years. Um, I've been struggling, um with an incurable

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01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: illness and I'm on home care now. It was caused

1140
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: by a doctor's medical negligence. And in those dark days

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01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: fighting right now, all the tubes have been removed and

1142
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 1: I have I do not Resuscitate order and I have

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Speaker 1: a seven year old son. In those days in the hospital,

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: I received from you a handwritten letter that said, to

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Speaker 1: the bravest woman, I know, I remember that, Yeah, I

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01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: remember that. Can you such a wonderful beautiful woman, I mean,

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01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: just an amazing woman? And are you are you doing?

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01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: Are you coming along? Okay? I'm no, sir, but um

1149
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: that's okay because I'm here right now to thank you

1150
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: in person. And that was my biggest dream. And I

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01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: wanted to thank you because through you and your organization's

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: my son, who was Mexican American seven years old. Through

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01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: your organizations and just being able to stand on that

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01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: stage with you back in two thousand five, the outpouring

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01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: of love that came from that ultimately provided my son

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01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: when he graduates high school with them, a full right

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: to college. And you know what we'll do. We're gonna

1158
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 1: watch him. You're gonna watch him kind of watch him.

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01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: We're gonna be watching your boy, okay, but you're gonna

1160
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: hopefully be around. You're not gonna have to have anybody watching.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna hopefully be around. Those doctors are gonna be

1162
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: so wrong, but we'll be helping you. Man. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I love the fact that that he said, besides her

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Speaker 1: beautiful heart, Uh, the fact that he said we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be war and him. I mean, that's that is a leader.

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01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I mean that that kind of choked me

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Speaker 1: up a little bit there. Um that was in case

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Speaker 1: you don't know who that was. That's Melissa Young, the

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01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: former Miss Wisconsin contest contestant who is suffering from incurable

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01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: owners caused by actually a doctor's negligence and um, her

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Speaker 1: her health has taken a turn for the worse. Uh

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Speaker 1: and um coming on with me now to talk more

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Speaker 1: about this. I didn't get to meet her election nine.

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Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to meeting her. But I

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Speaker 1: didn't get to meet Melissa. But uh Rose uh Tenant,

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Speaker 1: who is the host of Rose Unplugs, who have been

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Speaker 1: on her show. Incredible woman, credible show. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: Melissa personally, and UM, you all have set up a

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Speaker 1: go fund me page and they can everybody can find

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Speaker 1: that at the top of handity dot com. So if

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Speaker 1: you're touched by that, like I am, uh, go and

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Speaker 1: and help help them out and help Melissa out. But Rose,

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Speaker 1: tell us more about what's going on in about Melissa. Jonathan,

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Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good? Good to you? To you? Yeah,

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01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: you know. It's interesting because you and I were having

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01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: coffee and I was checking my email when we were

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Speaker 1: in this city together, um uh not so long ago,

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Speaker 1: and I was checking my email and that's when I

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Speaker 1: found out that I did, in fact get a ticket

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Speaker 1: to the victory party for Melissa. And I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you, Jonathan, that was that was something that she

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Speaker 1: had hoped all along but she would be able to do.

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Speaker 1: She helped make that happen, she helped make happy to

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Speaker 1: I was happy to do that for her, and she

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Speaker 1: was thrilled and she was Her image was plastered all

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Speaker 1: over the Daily Mail, the CNN thought Judge Perino's show,

1197
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: all you could see was her of static reaction to

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Speaker 1: his win. When Hillary conceded and she was holding a

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Speaker 1: woman for Trump's sign and Jonathan, I was so happy.

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Speaker 1: I think if I have ever done anything in my

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Speaker 1: life that may be proud aside from having a child

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Speaker 1: that I absolutely adore, it would be that moment knowing

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Speaker 1: that she was able to experience in person. And you know,

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: the thing is, and while this is relevant to the

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01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: show that you're doing today, and you're doing a great

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Speaker 1: job by the way I've been listening, the reason this

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01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: is relevant is for well, there's a number of reasons. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And And in fact, there's a story that I contribute

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Speaker 1: to spectator dot org, the American Spectator, and there's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful story there if you have a chance, and much

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Speaker 1: of it's in her own words, and and the rest

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Speaker 1: is in mind but at spectator dot orggling to do

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Speaker 1: a search for Melissa Young. But Melissa, you know, is

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Speaker 1: one of those Trump's supporters that just never gave up.

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01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: And she decided that she wanted to go public with

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Speaker 1: her support and make it known that especially during a

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Speaker 1: time when he was being criticized, when he was being

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Speaker 1: challenged on his position on women, and she knew better,

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01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: She knew the kind of man he was, She understood

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Speaker 1: and experienced firsthand how he treated women. So she felt

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Speaker 1: it was her obligation to speak out on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Mr Trump, and so she did. From the beginning, but

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01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: as a result, she's had death threats. And the last

1224
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: time I was on with Sean, you know, we talked

1225
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: about someone breaking into her home two attempts. Uh. The

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01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: second attempt was successful only in that they were able

1227
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: to break in, uh to the garage and steal her car.

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: Just for anyone out there though, that will never happen again.

1229
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: There are lots of people guarding that home very very carefully.

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mess with it again. Um, But I hope

1231
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: they do. I hope they try, and I hope they

1232
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Speaker 1: get whacked. That's what I hope, you know. I mean, seriously,

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01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: this is just so awful, Jonathan. But and and this

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Speaker 1: is because this woman spoke out on behalf of our

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Speaker 1: now president at last, Donald Trump. So, Um, she's a

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: brave woman. She's a courageous woman. She's one of those

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: kind of women. Jonathan and Lauren, Sean's associate producer there

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 1: knows well as well that I've never met anyone like her,

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: and I really don't expect that I will again. And

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Speaker 1: I feel that I've been I've been blessed and fortunate

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: to have known and loved her and to be loved

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01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: by her. But what's interesting is that anyone who knows

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: her story, anyone that that reads about her um has

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01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 1: seen her and heard what she's had to say. They

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: they feel that they've come to know her in some

1246
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: special way as well. And she represents all of us.

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: She represents those of us who have been beaten down,

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01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: who have been you know, threatened or um uh. People

1249
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: come against us for our support of our known new president,

1250
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: and she represents us. She's she's someone who says, you

1251
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just like everybody else, but I only

1252
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: she's she's more than anybody else. She's sick and yet

1253
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,919
Speaker 1: she And the weird thing is, she looks so beautiful

1254
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: that you don't even realize how. That's what I was

1255
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: gonna say. She obviously has. She's so beautiful that she's

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: this sick and still looks amazing. I mean, I get

1257
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: a cold, you can ask anybody. I'm like a big

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01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 1: cry baby. She's always with me that she's gonna put

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Speaker 1: lipstick on so the devil doesn't recognize her. She ain't

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: going where the devil's gonna be. Trust me on that one. No,

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Speaker 1: she isn't, because she is not. And that's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan I'm so glad you brought that up. I am

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Speaker 1: a person to save I I love God and trust

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01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: him tremendously. This is a woman whose faith is unshakable.

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01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: This is a woman who, no matter what cards have

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: been dealt to her, still considers herself less and fortunate.

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01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: And I really think that I think of esther when

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01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: I think of her, that she was here for such

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01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: a time as this, that she has done her duty,

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01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: she has done her job. And you know, um the

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Speaker 1: Miss America two thousand five, Chelsea Cooley set up a

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Speaker 1: go fund Me page for Melissa because you know, the

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Speaker 1: the health care bills have taken its soul, thank you Obamacare,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, in other issues that they've had

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Speaker 1: to face. And so Chelsea started this go fund me page.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something, if you Melissa would have

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Speaker 1: never ever told her one about this page, because that's

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Speaker 1: not who she is. But I'm telling people. We're going

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Speaker 1: to tell people today about it. That's right and things.

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Speaker 1: You can always go to Rose Unplugged, which is my

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Speaker 1: Facebook unplugged you and p l U G G E D.

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Speaker 1: And then I think I heard you say that there's

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Speaker 1: a link on hands on the top of the page

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Speaker 1: on Handity, Ye listen, tell her if you talk to her.

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Speaker 1: I wish he was listening today. I tell her myself that, uh,

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Speaker 1: we love her, we uh and we know that God

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Speaker 1: has blessed her and has blessed her child. And you know,

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Speaker 1: here's the important thing. There's people know this. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to realize, but of us will all die, um, and

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Speaker 1: the great vast majority of people will live their lives

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Speaker 1: in vain. And she is not one of those people.

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Speaker 1: She ass somebody who's making the most out of her life.

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Speaker 1: That's so well said. You're absolutely right about that. And

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Speaker 1: when um Mr Trump said that we'll be watching your boy,

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Speaker 1: we are all Johannes and I know you agree with me,

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Speaker 1: going to be watching her boy. Hey listen, God, Bud,

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Speaker 1: bless you Rose, and thank you for thinking of her

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Speaker 1: and coming on here. And I can't wait to be

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Speaker 1: on your show again. So uh listen, Thank you, and

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Speaker 1: happy Thanksgiving to you, Happy Thanksgiving to Melissa Young and

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Speaker 1: to her son. Go to Hannity to his page, and

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Speaker 1: at the top of the page donate to her go

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Speaker 1: FUNDI page into Rose's page, Rose Unplugged. This is the

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Speaker 1: Hannity Radio Show