WEBVTT - 2025-06-04- KSR PRE-SHOW 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:05.920 Welcome everybody. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.480 It is the KSR Pre Show Wednesday, June fourth. I 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:11.639 am Shannon the Dude and you can give us a 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:13.240 call on the Clark's Pupping Shop phone line at eight 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:16.160 five to nine two eight oh twenty two eighty seven. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.200 You're a Whiskey Thief call of the day. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.720 And you can also make sure you check out Italics 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.840 find Italian Dining in Lexington. They are the title sponsor 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.159 of the KSR Pre Show as always, and Billy is 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.120 out all week so we continue to go to the 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.919 bullpen and bring in different guests each and every day 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.000 throughout the weekend. Today, well it's it's Mario Maitland who 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.560 is joining us from Lexington. Live in the studio there 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:46.160 and Mario is here. He's on time, unlike Ryan yesterday. 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:48.880 You're here and you're ready to go. How are you, Mario? 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:51.760 I'm doing well, man, I'm pumped up for today's show man. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.440 I don't mind being on KSR pre show Man, one 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.279 of my favorite shows. I'm pumped well, glad to have 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.160 you here. And you know I said that Ryan was 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.600 late yesterday. That's actually two straight days in a row 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:04.200 that Ryan wasn't ready to go at the start of 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.360 the show. I think that's that inconsistency that you were 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:11.440 talking about, Mario. He's still inconsistent, and. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.040 You've highlighted that in the past. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.039 And you know, when you first said that that night 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:21.440 in Seattle, after you've done the high amount of fireball shots, 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:22.440 I thought. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.280 You were just rambling. But it turns out that's true. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.479 You know, they say the truth comes out when you're drunk, 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.880 and it's true that mark that Ryan was was not 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:32.240 consistent and out here the last two days. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:34.360 I definitely took a lot of drinks that night and 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.480 and like you said, when your little tipsy, the truth 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.039 kind of comes out. And you know, I love Ryan Lemon, 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.320 but you know I was just being I was being honest, 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.960 and his consistency was was something that was bothering me 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.800 at that point in tom So, like I said, man, 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:52.800 I was, I was. I had a lot to drink 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.640 that night. But you know how Ryan is man, he 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.080 comes with good and he comes with bad too, just 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.200 like everybody else does. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.800 That's right, Well, I mean, you know yesterday he shows 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:05.080 up late. And by the way, the receipts, I've got 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.920 the receipts on the text message right here. It says, Okay, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.600 we go on at ten oh three on KSR. At 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:15.200 ten oh four, I get we're good. At ten oh 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.400 five he says, we're connected to two. So I didn't 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.560 actually know where he was connected until two minutes into 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:20.919 the show. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.720 Well, when I was listening to the show, I could 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.240 tell that it sounded like you honestly didn't think they 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.640 were connected, Like that's that's what I thought. I was listening, 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:30.280 they weren't. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:31.480 Yeah, and I've got it right here. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.320 It says, you know, ten oh five, two minutes into 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.320 the show, now he's connected, and then immediately comes on 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.079 and tries to throw me under the bus. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:40.280 I mean, come on, what is this? What are we 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:41.160 dealing with here? 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.680 So, in reality, it was really the text message. The 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.320 text message didn't come in Tom, and that was the 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:47.680 That was the truth to the whole thing. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.600 And you know what, it's that android phone. Probably, yes 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:52.680 it is. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.200 If Ryan texted me on time, I did not get 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.840 the message until two minutes later, and we can blame 0:02:58.880 --> 0:02:59.800 I guess Ryan's phone. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.320 Oh god, yes, and he needs an iPhone? Why why 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.799 does he just get an iPhone? The entire group chat 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.919 has an iPhone? He needs to get a knife. 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.680 I have tried for years to talk some sense into him, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:13.840 and he's stubborn. He won't listen to me. So maybe 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.120 you can try. Maybe he'll listen to you. 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:17.560 Maybe he will now you will. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.919 Now to your point, you know he has some bad, 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.440 but he has a lot of good. He has much 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.560 more good than out weighe the bad. So immediately immediately 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.400 after screwing up and being late for the show, he's 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:31.920 able to pull Dan Skirka's phone number. And to be 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.440 honest with you, Mario, I didn't know the name Dan 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.800 Skirka until you yesterday on the show. 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.440 I didn't know him either. Yeah, I didn't know him though. 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.720 Are you surprised? Though? Ryan literally knows every single body. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.840 And I've noticed that since working for KSR. It's like 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.000 Ryan knows everybody. We can be going in London, Kentucky. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:52.080 We're at a gas station and the clerk knows Ryan Lemon. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.840 Ryan knows the clerk at the cashier. So it's like 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.840 this guy literally knows everybody on the planet on the 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.600 face of the planet. 0:03:58.680 --> 0:03:58.880 Yeah. 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.280 I mean, you could just name anything random and Ryan 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:02.720 will go, well, I know a guy, And if I 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.280 don't know a guy, I know a guy who knows 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:04.680 a guy. 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.000 You cannot go out with Ryan Lemon. Do not go 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:07.520 out with Ryan. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.560 Ryan's connections run deep. There's no doubt about it. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.760 So I think if he does run for mayor one day, 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:14.160 he may actually have a shot at it. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:14.880 But he brought on. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.640 He's able to get us connected with Murray State baseball 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.160 head coach Dan Skirka, and it was kind of cool 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.320 having him on here because number one, when will we 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:26.680 ever talk about Murray State Baseball ever again? And that's 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:28.440 why I was saying yesterday when they were like, well, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.080 you know, he's on a bus right now and it's 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.840 really not a good time. I'm like, you have the opportunity, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.480 Murray State Baseball. You have the opportunity to get on 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.839 and talk to the entire state of Kentucky and beyond. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.280 You got to make that happen. 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.719 But I'm glad that we were able to get Dan 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.360 Scoke go on and he was talking about just how unreal, 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.080 you know, it didn't feel real that they were moving 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.000 on to the super Regionals. But man, I mean now 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.560 that Kentucky's out, I feel like, now, Mario, we have 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.480 a team to pull for in the NCAA Baseball tournament. 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.040 I think it's really cool how Murray State is kind 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.480 of pulling it all together. What what are they even? Like, 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.840 what is Murray State known for? You know, like, they're 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.800 not a baseball school, They're not a basketball school. I 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.479 think the last time I remember like, like Murray State 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.400 being mentioned was probably when John Moran was there. Yeah, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.719 so I'm not it's crazy to see them at at 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.280 this point having this success and you gotta, you gotta, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.160 you gotta tip your hat off to these guys. Man. 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:23.239 They're doing their thing in the baseball tournament, and you gotta, 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.640 you know, only support these guys. That's what we should do. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.000 I think John Morant is what I think about. When 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.680 you say, okay, Murray State Sports, Yeah, exactly, give me 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:32.800 word association. You're probably gonna say. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:37.920 John Morant exactly. Yeah. Now shifting gears here. ESPN. I 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.200 don't know if you saw this release. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:44.880 They're college football rankings yesterday and Kentucky football is one 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.039 of three teams not in the top twenty five. They've 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.440 got them I think at thirty fifth. The other two 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.440 SEC schools in case you're wondering, that aren't in the 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.520 top twenty five are Mississippi State and Vandy. So the 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.720 question is, then, you know, what does Mark Stoops have 0:05:58.839 --> 0:05:59.960 to do this year? 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:01.760 I mean, the seats. 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.719 Definitely getting warm. If it's not hot, it's getting warm. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.520 It's what does what does he have to do to 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.839 keep his job? I mean, we're talking about a win 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.520 total for football, and it's been really quiet in the 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:12.080 off season. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.799 You can look at that one of two ways, Mario. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.880 You can look at it as it's a silent confidence, 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.400 or you could look at it as well, we. 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:22.159 Know we're not going to be that kid. So there's 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.560 no way they've talking about. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.040 They've definitely been quiet over the off season. Hopefully they 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.840 ramp that up and start, you know, pushing a lot 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.359 more stuff out. But you know, I think when it 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.680 comes to like Stoops on the hot seat and everything 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.320 like that, obviously you know he already is kind of like, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.680 you know, fans are kind of you know, want to 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.080 push him there, kind of leaning towards pushing him out. 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.279 But I would say, if I had to pick a number, 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.600 I'm gonna say six. But you gotta you gotta understand 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.080 how tough the schedule is. That's that schedule is brutal. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:50.719 The seventh. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.120 That schedule is absolutely the seventh. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:57.080 Toughest schedule in the country, and he has got to 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.600 bounce back somehow from what happened last year. 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.400 And you think it's six, I think it's six. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:03.600 Where you go, well, I. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.400 Think it's six to keep the fans happy. Now, I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.479 don't know that it's six to keep your job. I 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.160 think if he gets to I think if he gets 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.920 the five, he keeps his job, even though he's not 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:16.600 going to a bowl at five wins, so. 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.040 He has to do better than last season. Yes, yeah, 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:20.880 I think we all can agree. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.080 You know, four is right there on the line. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:28.240 I think there was like a preseason projection for win 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:30.920 total when it was like four and a half for Kentucky. 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:32.200 Four. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.640 I think there's a high likely, highly likely chance that 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.360 he is out, but I would I wouldn't swear to it. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.320 Three definitely if yeah. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.000 He can't, and I'm sure he's not thinking, you know, 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.280 win total three, you know three, man, that would be terrible, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:47.960 And I think a lot of it, Shannon is the 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.160 those first few games like those are probably gonna be 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.840 his most important games of the season. Those first two 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:57.560 or three games like that can dictate how the seasons 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.600 is gonna go. And I think that's very important for 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.640 Stoopid at least at least start out on a strong note. 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.600 Yeah, as I said, seventh toughest schedule in the country. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:08.480 But I keep I keep hearing though, and we knew 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.160 that going in, but I keep hearing about Toledo. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.760 And look, I'm tired of hearing about Toledo. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.920 Okay, well, because if we can't here's here's why. If 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:19.360 you lose to Toledo, just go ahead and call it 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:21.720 a season. I mean, if you can't beat Toledo in 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.960 your opening game, you've got much bigger problems on your hands. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.000 Forget about trying to beat an SEC team. If you 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.480 can't beat a MAC team, it's not gonna that's pretty bad. 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.120 That's definitely bad. If he goes down against Toledo, Hey, 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.400 I'm rooting for him, man, I honestly think that he 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.880 can't do it. Like I said, it really it really 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.600 starts off in the beginning of the season. If we 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.800 look back at last season, when we lost that South 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.760 Carolina game, Yep, it was almost like the season was 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:45.839 over at that point. Now, we did bounce back against 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:48.680 Old Miss on the road, but you know, those those 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.679 first two or three games are so pivotal for for 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:53.120 what's gonna happen in the season. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.439 You know, when Stoops took over, you know, Kentucky was 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.600 at the bottom of the barrel. And yes, a win 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:03.480 against Vanderbilt was not guaranteed. A went over South Carolina 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.840 wasn't happening at least not on a consistent basis. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.360 Honestly, I don't think he gets enough credit. And I 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.800 might be the only one on the fate in Big 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.079 Bow Nation that probably thinks this, but honestly thinks he 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.040 doesn't get enough credit. He like, Kentucky football was irrelevant 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:24.400 before he came here. Sure, literally irrelevant. But I do 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.120 understand that the fact that he's not like, he's not produced, 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.280 it's not it's not translating to the field at this moment. 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.680 He won four games last season, so I do get that. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.160 But I mean, give let's see what happens next season 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.960 before we write him off and we can go from there. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.040 Sure. Sure, but but I was getting it. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.600 You know, like there was a long stretch where we 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.280 beat South Carolina and Vanderbilt. It felt like every season 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.360 when Mark Stoops really had this thing rolling here at Kentucky, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.080 and now I feel like we've fallen back again to 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.480 you know, losing the Vanderbilt again, losing to South Carolina, 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.680 when before, like when when Stoops really had this thing going, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.800 those were games that you just you just assumed we 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:03.319 were gonna win. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:04.360 And now I don't think that. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.040 I think there's so much uncertainty going into the season 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:08.800 that I'm not sure what's going to happen. I mean, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.480 I do feel like we're gonna be Toledo, so let's 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.680 set that aside. I'm hoping so, but I hear people 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.360 that are even kind of worried about that game, and 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.120 I you know, and then you look, Okay, Vanderbilt's not 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.560 even though I think they're ranked in this preseason ESPN 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.280 Power Index that I was talking about, They're like fifty 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.800 sixth or something like that. But even that, now you 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.719 can't just say, Okay, that's an automatic win. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.240 So part of that, I mean, you are playing in 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.480 the best conference in college football, like I think that, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.160 and it's only getting better, Like I think, you know, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.000 Vanderbilt in South Carolina, like you said, they're getting better, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.760 Like they're not the same team that they were four 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:47.000 or five years, same program, they were four or five 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:47.439 years ago. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.200 Yeah, and you know now you got to say, Okay, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.880 if you don't get to five wins, do we keep 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.680 Mark STUPSI, You're right at some point the what have 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:00.760 you done for me lately? 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:01.240 Kicks in? 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.280 Yes, and that matters. 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.480 Yeah, And you can also say that Stoops is also 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:07.880 in a lot of ways a victim of his own 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.720 success in the past. Now that we've seen the Kentucky 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.000 football can get the ten wins, they can, doesn't mean 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.199 that they are what to me, doesn't mean they should 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.240 be expected to get to ten wins every year. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.960 I feel like that is the exception more than the norm. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.520 You know what I've been noticing, Shannon, Like, and this 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.560 is just not with college football. This is like coaches 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.760 in general in sports. And you can say NBA, you 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.480 can say NFL, you can say college football. What I've 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.320 been noticing is that you can have a bad team 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.720 as a coach. You have a bad team, and you're 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.800 more likely to keep your job, rather than when you 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.240 have a team's success, you're more likely to get fired. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.800 We're seeing it with TIBs. Yeah, you're more likely to 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.199 get fired when you have team success compared to when 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.520 you don't when your team is consistently bad. You're more 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.640 likely to keep your job if your team is consistently bad. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.760 I'm honestly seeing that. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.920 Since you brought up TIBs, let's talk about that. The Knicks, 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.680 I mean, what what are the next? 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.280 What are they doing? 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.400 They they just fired their head coach Tom Tibodeaux after 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.480 making the conference finals, the first time they had gone 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.720 to three straight Get this right, first time they've had 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.520 three straight winning seasons since the nineties, first. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:22.280 Time they've been to the conference finals. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.840 First time they've been to the conference finals since the nineties? 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.400 Were were you? Were you even born then, Mario? Were 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:29.520 you even alive with them? 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.040 I wouldn't since I've been grown up, shann And the 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:36.000 Knicks have always been bad. Yeah, there's a few years 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.960 where they were as bad, like you know, Carmelo Anthony 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.760 was playing news, they weren't too bad. But from what 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.720 I can remember, they were always bad. And this is 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.640 this is like, it's crazy to see TIBs, you know, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.800 get get fired. And I think there's two sides to it, Shannon. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.280 You got one side where it looks bad as if 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.600 like the Knicks going to the playoffs, matchup where they're 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.320 playing your Celtics, the defend champs, and they beat the Celtics, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.000 and no one honestly thought that they could beat the Celtics. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.680 Thought the Celtics were gonna sweep the next sweep them. 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.240 And when they won, we saw what the city was like, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.800 We saw what New York City was. It was going crazy. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.400 And every fan, every New York fan, thought that they 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.800 were gonna make the finals at that point. So you 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:22.280 turn that success from beating the Celtics to getting into 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:26.920 the Indiana Pacers matchup, and you lose the Indiana Pacers matchup, 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.319 which Knicks fans at that point, when they beat the Celtics, 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.160 they thought they had a ticket to the NBA finals. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.960 They said, our time is now. We won, We were 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.880 in the NBA finals. They weren't even thinking about the 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.960 Indiana Pacers. And when you lose against the Indiana Pacers, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.319 it almost looks like a disappointment in ways, It honestly 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.360 almost looks like a disappointment to Nick two Knicks fans, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.319 to New York Knicks nation, and and and now we're 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.280 seeing like Tibbs, he's the first one to go. And honestly, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:52.960 I think there's more to it, sh And and I think 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.640 there's a lot going on in that that entire organization. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.840 We got the coaches blaming Karl Anthony town saying that 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.280 he's the guy, he was the problem why we lost 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.559 the series. And then you got the players blaming Tibbs, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.800 Who's like, hey, I don't know if you if you 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.600 saw it online, Shannon, but there's a thing where the 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.760 New York Knicks they did, I guess an exit interview 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.800 with some of their top players, and and and and 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.959 they decided that, hey, Tis Tibbs is the one that 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.880 that has to go once they were concluded with all 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.360 those those exit interviews. So it's really a two sided 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.480 umbrella where I'm like, I'm not sure what exactly is 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.920 going on in that franchise, but it's madness. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.360 If you're a New York fan, I don't know why 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.720 you wouldn't want to run back just what happened. I mean, like, 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.840 you just made it to the conference finals. Why would 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.840 you not want to try to keep all those pieces 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:41.800 together and try to do it again? And now we're 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.560 talking about uncertainty with the Kentucky football team, there's gotta 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.480 be a lot of uncertainties now with the Knicks, like 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.440 who's gonna be the next coach and who's gonna be 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.640 bring them back to where they just were this season. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.720 It's it's crazy, but it's realistic, and I'm not I'm 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.120 not gonna say I'm surprised about the entire thing. I 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.360 remember we were at the case Martin Grill, and I'm 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.520 talking to Matt. We're watching the Knicks and the Pacers, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.160 and I guess the Knicks lost Game six or something 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.360 like that. I believe it was Game five versus the Pacers. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.280 And I say to Matt and I'm like, hey, Matt Man, 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.080 you think Tips is gonna have his job after the season. 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.760 And I remember literally asking him that and he thought 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:18.080 it was absurd just to hear the question. Yeah, but 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.880 that's just to show you, like, man, no one's job 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:23.280 is safe, and in terms of a head coaching position, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.120 it's not safe, especially for an organization like the New 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:29.040 York Knicks. It's insane because he's been the best coach 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:30.680 that they've had in what a. 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.120 Decade long time? 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:36.600 Yeah, and now he's gone after one their first run 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.400 to the Eastern Conference Finals in twenty years. It's crazy. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.720 I think there was just a lot of a lot 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.920 of front office issues. According to some reports that I've read, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.240 they weren't happy with him because of his lineup changes. 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.440 I think the front office kind. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:50.320 Of wit a lot. And he's known for that shit. 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.360 And like he's known to run his players into the ground, 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:57.200 like he'll play his players to their knees fall off, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.040 Like that's what he's kind of known for. Yeah, but 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.320 you know, success is success. That's the way I look 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:03.920 at it. And I'm not sure who they're going to 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.680 even replace him with. That's gonna be the interesting thing 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.880 to really look at. But yeah, I don't know, man, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.560 do you do you do you think Brunson's dad should 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:13.280 now be the coach. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.400 No, No, I don't think that's a good choice. But 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:19.680 I'd have to I'd have to see, like who all 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.920 the candidates are out there. You know, honestly, this might 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.560 be crazy, but I think about a guy like John 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.920 Cali Perry. Really, you know, I don't know that he 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.960 would have any interest in it, but you know, it 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:34.080 is New York, it's the NBA. Cal has done well 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.400 in the n C Double A as a head coach 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:39.720 at the college level, but never really succeeded as a 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.360 head coach in the NBA, So I mean I could 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:45.360 see that maybe being a possibility if he were in. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.160 That would be insane. Yeah, he he became the New 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.760 York Knicks coach. I don't know what was his situation. 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:52.800 I don't know if you're familiar his situation when he 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.000 coached in the NBA, I don't. I only know cal 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.600 for when he coached that Memphis and Kentucky saw and 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.320 I know he coached a little bit in the NBA. 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:01.960 I don't know if it was the Brooklyn Nets or not, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:03.000 or New Jersey. 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:03.840 New Jerseynownce at the time. 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.679 Yeah, but I don't know. I don't know, man, I've 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.840 been hearing mixed things a lot of a lot of 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.120 college candidates and and you know, Dan Dan Hurley may 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.919 look at it and like, who knows. But I wouldn't 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.320 be surprised if the Knicks let let Brunson's dad step 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.399 into that position. I don't know, Like I said, I 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:20.720 would not be surprised. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:21.280 Should be. 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.680 Well, that's gonna be interesting to follow to see who 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.960 ends up with that, uh, that head coaching position for 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.840 the Knicks, because I think it's crazy that they fired TIBs. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.720 I mean, yeah, the first Eastern Conference Finals gone. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.520