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Speaker 1: Welcome back in everybody, to Clay and Buck. As we

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Speaker 1: have been discussing there, I've been two assassination attempts on

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Speaker 1: President's Trump and his continued personal safety and security are

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Speaker 1: an absolute top priority going forth to the election and

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Speaker 1: beyond and looking at that is the Senate Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: and Governmental Affairs Committee. They put out a report yesterday

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Speaker 1: about the massive failures by the Secret Service, including words

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Speaker 1: like foreseeable and preventable. Yeah, not a surprise in the

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Speaker 1: attacks on Trump, the attempted assassinations. Senator Rand Paul is

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Speaker 1: chairman of the committee. He joins us now, Senator Paul,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you being with us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the promotion, But I don't get to be

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Speaker 2: chairman unless the Republicans take over in November.

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Speaker 1: But oh, sorry, your ranking member, Ranking member, I was

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Speaker 1: looking for that. What I was bringing, all right, ranking

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Speaker 1: member of the committee. Close enough, he was there. He

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Speaker 1: knows what's going on, said Paul. Tell us what the

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Speaker 1: report found and what we need to know.

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Speaker 2: But the report's extraordinary in the sense that both Republicans

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Speaker 2: and Democrats agreed that there were multiple tragic failures by

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Speaker 2: the Secret Service and they were preventable, and that we

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Speaker 2: are so lucky that President Trump or former President Trump

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Speaker 2: wasn't killed in Butler County or in the most recent episode,

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Speaker 2: and they've got to do a better job. I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is just completely unacceptable. The report detailed mistake after

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Speaker 2: mistake after mistake. As we interviewed the Secret Service, we

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Speaker 2: discovered no one would admit they were in charge. So

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Speaker 2: if you ask who's in charge of security at Butler County,

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Speaker 2: you get blank stairs, or you get people pointing at

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Speaker 2: each other. And the reason that's important is you would

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Speaker 2: think whoever's in charge walks the grounds, you know, a

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Speaker 2: couple hours before, and says, well, it looks like we're

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Speaker 2: missing this or that. Well, they would have walked by

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Speaker 2: that roof. It's about fifteen feet tall, about one hundred

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Speaker 2: yards away, with a direct line of sight to President Trump,

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Speaker 2: and they would have if they were worth anything. My goodness,

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Speaker 2: how come nobody's on the roof. We also know that

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Speaker 2: for month leading up to this, Trump's campaign and Trump's

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Speaker 2: Secret Service had been wanting to have counter snipers. This

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Speaker 2: had been denied and denied and denied, but finally was

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Speaker 2: granted in Butler. That was the first time their counter

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Speaker 2: snipers there and thank god they were there, because had

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Speaker 2: they not taken the shooter out as quickly as they did,

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Speaker 2: he would have kept shooting. I mean, there's a chance

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Speaker 2: he got Trump in a second round of bullets or

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Speaker 2: Secret Service or more spectators. So thank god they were there.

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Speaker 2: But there's a question why were they being denied in

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Speaker 2: the previous instances. Why wasn't he getting full protection? We

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Speaker 2: also now because of the two attempts, the Secret Services

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Speaker 2: That should have happened from the get go, and it's inexcusable.

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Speaker 2: But when you look at Butler County and specific and

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Speaker 2: seen the shooter in ninety minutes, sid advance pegged him

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Speaker 2: as a suspicious person. And he's carrying a large backpack

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Speaker 2: apparently big enough to fold an AR fifteen into, and

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Speaker 2: he's using a rangefinder. To me, that would be enough

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Speaker 2: to stop the preceding c interview, and yet no one

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Speaker 2: they tell the Secret Service. So the Secret Service has

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Speaker 2: thirty minutes to still make the decision, let's find this

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Speaker 2: Even worse than that, this goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 2: At six oh six, the shooting happens at six ' eleven.

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Speaker 2: At six oh six, people are shouting man on a roof,

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Speaker 2: their guns drawn towards the roof, towards the building. Counter

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Speaker 2: sniper sees them. Still no one says take President Trump

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Speaker 2: and nobody did it. All of these are errors that

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Speaker 2: can't happen. And my point has been from the get go,

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Speaker 2: It's not that I disliked them. I know they're you know,

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is all so important, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: coming on with a Senator Ram Paul, hopefully soon to

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Speaker 3: back to the guy on the roof, As you said,

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Speaker 3: based on that timeline, he's there for several minutes if

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Speaker 3: talk to the snipers that ended up eradicating that threat

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Speaker 3: that killed him after he had fired all of those

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Speaker 3: the firefighter. Why did they not take him out? Sorry

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Speaker 3: Do we know what sort of audio communication was there?

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Speaker 3: Will we hear from the sniper who took him out

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Speaker 3: eventually as to what orders he had received and what

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Speaker 2: So in the interviews the local police, one of them

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Speaker 2: He gets his shot off like within fifteen ten seconds

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Speaker 2: not see him at six oh' eight with a gun.

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Speaker 2: People are saying, man on So here's the and this

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Speaker 2: is a tough job, and people need a tough job.

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Speaker 2: You can't shoot a man on a roof, but a

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Speaker 2: man on the roof is an imminent threat. Man on

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Speaker 2: You can't shoot a man on the roof unless a

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Speaker 2: He seemed to have a gun, only was only as

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Speaker 2: a good job. It's it's really the executive decision. It's

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Speaker 2: somebody in charge. It's like that it's not brand new

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Speaker 2: to do protective detail. Why why don't they have somebody

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Speaker 2: turns out when they look at his cell phone, Dad,

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Speaker 2: he's been doing it for thirty days on and off

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Speaker 2: course with an automatic weapon semi automatic weapon, and nobody's

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Speaker 1: Senator Paul, do you have any faith that there one

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Speaker 1: looking into this and doing these investigations. And two on

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Speaker 2: After the second shooting. The good news is they have

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Speaker 2: that Harris and Biden get. That should have happened a

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Speaker 2: they finally have done that. But in addition to that,

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Speaker 2: these two shooters, we most everybody believes that they were independent,

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Speaker 2: relatively unsophisticated. He also has threats that are in the

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Speaker 2: public now from a foreign country from Iran. Needs could

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Speaker 2: be more sophisticated in detail and in technology. So he

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Speaker 2: needs only secret service. He needs everything that we have

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Speaker 2: some classified, some not classified. We needs all of that.

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Speaker 2: am concerned about this, very concerned. It's hard to protect anyone.

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Speaker 2: He's out the lot, he's in the public more. He's

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Speaker 2: there has to be some responsibility. When I first met

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Speaker 2: committee are about ready to subpoen in these documents if

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Speaker 4: Senter Paul.

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Speaker 3: After the Butler Pa shooting, I said that there was

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Speaker 3: only two things that could be explained how this happen happened.

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Speaker 3: One was gross, potentially criminal negligence. The other was an

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Speaker 3: intentional failure designed to make President Trump vulnerable. After what

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Speaker 3: makes me feel as if it were intentional. Now you

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Speaker 3: say that they've got way more security, the same as

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Speaker 3: Kamala Biden would have. This is one of the top

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Speaker 4: Do you think this is.

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Speaker 3: Gross potentially criminal negligence or do you think there was

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Speaker 3: attempt like this or what happened at the golf course.

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Speaker 3: How would you address that question, because it's one that

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Speaker 3: we get all the time.

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Speaker 4: You've seen a lot more info than we have.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any evidence to believe that anybody in

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Speaker 2: government would have purposely wanted Trump to die. And that's

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Speaker 2: a big statement to make, to ledge that that there

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Speaker 3: to what I just asked, because I think it's important

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Speaker 3: based on the information you've got and for people out there,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty stark contrast there. But media,

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Speaker 1: Well, but the people that the people that had to

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back into Clay and Buck. Mayor Eric

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Speaker 4: Let's do it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Mayor Eric Adams federally indicted. Play and I read through

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Speaker 1: This goes back quite a ways. There's a few different

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be in I've been to Turkey, it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: Show off.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Clay, come on, as come on, buddy, you know

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I have not been to Turkey, but you've traveled a lot.

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Speaker 1: I will tell it is there's some very I mean,

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Speaker 1: You know, on the Mediterranean there's some world class resorts.

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Speaker 4: But you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Clay agrees. A lot of people are saying this. It's

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Speaker 1: not that he didn't do these things. It's like Hunter Biden, right,

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden got away with everything because he was important

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Speaker 1: to the Democrat apparatus and didn't cause problems for them,

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Speaker 1: at least in a big public way, and so he

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Speaker 1: was protected. He was a made guy, you know, for

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Speaker 1: if you remember mob terms, right, Hunter Biden was a

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Speaker 1: made guy as By and Son for Democrats. I think

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Speaker 1: Eric Adams was a made guy for Democrats until he

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Speaker 1: started really speaking out of the migrant issue. And then

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Speaker 1: it's not that, you know, he hasn't done bad things,

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Speaker 1: it's that he isn't above being touched or above being attacked. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the other thing that he did here, Clay, Sorry, there's

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Speaker 1: like a lot. It's a fifty seven page indictment. I've

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Speaker 1: got it right in front of me. Straw donations.

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Speaker 4: Now this is.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Denesh Desuza. Matter of public record, we like Danesh.

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Speaker 1: But Denesh got into a little trouble for this. He

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Speaker 1: wrote a check and included money for somebody else and

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Speaker 1: it didn't change anything. The person lost the election anyway.

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Speaker 1: But it's illegal and not allowed to do this. They

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Speaker 1: made a point of far out over punishing Denesh on

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Speaker 1: this because he's a prominent conservative, no question, but that's

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Speaker 1: the straw donation issue. They're saying he tried to get

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Speaker 1: straw donations and run them through Turkey Clay. But it's

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Speaker 1: not a lot, it's not a lot of money. I

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Speaker 1: feel like if this was a federal election, these would

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Speaker 1: some of these things would be treated like fines. And

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Speaker 1: I'm very I remember when Scalia was looking at the

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Speaker 1: honor services fraud case brought against Conrad Black, youmembre Conrad

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Speaker 1: Black right, prominent Canadian, kind of like the Canadian Rupert Murdoch,

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Speaker 1: not quite as big as Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 4: But he got sent to federal prison.

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Speaker 1: And part of why he got cent to federal prison

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Speaker 1: was under this Honest Services fraud statute and the Supreme court,

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Speaker 1: and I know said, guys, the statute is trash because

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Speaker 1: Scalia said, you could get somebody jammed up under honest

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Speaker 1: services fraud for accepting a better table than they should

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Speaker 1: have gotten at a restaurant because they're, you know, a politician, right.

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Speaker 1: It was too broad. It was so broad as to be.

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Speaker 1: And when you're talking about getting upgraded to business class,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, does Kerrie get upgraded to business class

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Speaker 1: sometimes because she's a pretty all American girl and she

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Speaker 1: knows how to work the system? I think she does.

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Speaker 4: I don't my wife just walk by. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I think, but you know, that's just the world we

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Speaker 4: live in.

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Speaker 3: I look, and I really want to dive into this,

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Speaker 3: and I think we should take some calls on this,

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Speaker 3: and I tweeted about it. I read the indictment. What

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Speaker 3: we have created and this is the big picture. Here

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Speaker 3: is a Department of Justice which is mobilized. When you're

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Speaker 3: a Democrat, Republican or independent, whatever your politics are, but

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Speaker 3: you go against the consensus direction of the herd, you

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Speaker 3: lose your power to be protected and they come after you.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that Mayor Eric Adams of New

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Speaker 3: York City is a saint. I'm not saying that he

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Speaker 3: didn't leverage his positions of power to sometimes get beneficial treatment,

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Speaker 3: But do you really mean I mean this honestly?

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Speaker 4: Do we really want the full.

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Speaker 3: Hand of justice investigating where someone sits on an airplane

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Speaker 3: flight or whether they get a little bit better room

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Speaker 3: at a resort than they otherwise would. And look, I'm

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Speaker 3: saying this whether it's a Republican Democrat or an independent.

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Speaker 3: If you're taking like we had them an Indez guy

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Speaker 3: and those allegations which he was convicted of. If you're

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Speaker 3: taking millions of dollars in payment, if somebody's giving you

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Speaker 3: gold bars to get preferential treatment, that says to me, okay,

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Speaker 3: this is a bribery case. If somebody at Turkish Airlines

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Speaker 3: gives you a better seat on a flight to Turkey,

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Speaker 3: is our standard really that they should go to prison

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Speaker 3: for years?

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Speaker 1: So I will say, I've got I've got, you know,

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Speaker 1: feelings that go back and forth on this a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I see that, and I'm mostly with you on all that.

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Speaker 1: I would put this out there though, which is when

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Speaker 1: I was in the NYPD, there was a a like

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Speaker 1: building benefit in a couple of restaurants for the for

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Speaker 1: where our office was. Yeah, and I think it was

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Speaker 1: like a five or ten percent discount. And they were

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Speaker 1: so strict about you are not as a member of

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Speaker 1: the NYPD. You were not allowed to accept a free

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Speaker 1: cup of coffee if you're in uniform and someone just

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Speaker 1: wants say, hey, I like the cops, you accept nothing,

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Speaker 1: You get no benefit and if you do, internal affairs

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Speaker 1: is going to be all over your butt. And and

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Speaker 1: that was just the way it was, right, So I'm

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Speaker 1: just I mean, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: For like politicians, people are going to try to do things.

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Speaker 1: But the rules down the line for city employees were

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Speaker 1: actually very strict and they'll come down on people very hard.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it reminds me of the classified information thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you're a little nobody like I was

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Speaker 1: in the CIA, and you walk to your car and

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Speaker 1: back with classified and you confess it, like they might

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Speaker 1: try to suspend your clearance, you know, get in all

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Speaker 1: this trouble. If you're the CIA director and you're sleeping

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Speaker 1: with your biographer and your handling are classified outside of

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Speaker 1: a facility, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, hey, you know, maybe.

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Speaker 3: You think you can get away with that, right, So

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Speaker 3: about if you're Joe Biden and you show your biographer

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Speaker 3: illegally classified documents and brag about it on video sorry audio,

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Speaker 3: and then he tries to delete all the files, then

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Speaker 3: they say, oh yeah, you willfully retain classified documents. So

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Speaker 3: there's no comment quinces.

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Speaker 1: So I just for me, it's if we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: reasonable in our interpretation of these kinds of laws, we

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Speaker 1: can't just be reasonable for important people. That's my You know,

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Speaker 1: the statute has to be such where there has to

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Speaker 1: you know, it's got to be to your point. You

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Speaker 1: know you're accepting substantial I mean substantial sum of money.

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Speaker 1: I think it wasn't on Capitol Hill. You can accept

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Speaker 1: gifts of less than fifty dollars, is that right? Or

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Speaker 1: less than fifty or some line. Yes, there's some line

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Speaker 1: so that if somebody says, hey, you know, can I

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Speaker 1: get you a cup of coffee?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's like a courtesy. You can't.

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Speaker 1: The idea is you can't buy somebody for a cup

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Speaker 1: of coffee. I will also say Eric Adams, for the

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Speaker 1: Mayor of New York City, this price was not very high.

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Speaker 3: Well, and he can truly be bought on upgrades on

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Speaker 3: Business class to whatever for flights to Turkey. Then that's

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Speaker 3: an insanely cheap thing.

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Speaker 4: I see what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's you know, my analysis on this, and

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Speaker 3: this is where I think you have to stand on

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Speaker 3: principle is remember the line on obscenity. I think it

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Speaker 3: was Justice Potter Stewart said I know it when I

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Speaker 3: see it, which was his rough description. Because people said, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what's the difference between you know, what's obscenity? He said,

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Speaker 3: I know what I see it. I know, and I

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Speaker 3: trust that I know, and I trust that a lot

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Speaker 3: of you know when you see it too. When someone

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Speaker 3: is corrupt, most of us see and hear the allegations

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Speaker 3: and we're like, okay, that is corruption. Everything laid out

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Speaker 3: against Eric Adams, and I would tie it in with

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Speaker 3: everything laid out against Trump because that's to me the

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Speaker 3: connection here.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: One is state charges. Now there are federal charges in DC,

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Speaker 3: and there were federal charges in Florida and everything else.

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Speaker 3: What I see happening, and this is why I'm so

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Speaker 3: troubled as an attorney, is I see, remember Inspector Javeir

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Speaker 3: in Les Miserab goes after the guy for stealing a

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Speaker 3: loaf of bread and tries to teach, tries to treat

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Speaker 3: him like he is the equivalent of a the worst

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Speaker 3: criminal who's ever existed. What we rely on in America,

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Speaker 3: in my opinion, is a standard of justice rooted into

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Speaker 3: principle that nobody's going to be treated differently based on anything, politics, race, gender, sexuality,

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Speaker 3: all those things, and that we're going to have a

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Speaker 3: blind justice system which is honest and treats like cases

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Speaker 3: in a like manner. What I have seen at Trump

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Speaker 3: with all the charges, and now what I'm seeing with

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Speaker 3: Eric Adams based on reading the complaint is we have

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Speaker 3: a weaponized justice system the likes of which we have

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Speaker 3: never seen. And the idea, and this is why it's

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Speaker 3: important to stand on principle, and I would encourage people

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Speaker 3: out there who are Trump voters to think about this.

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Speaker 3: The idea of oh, well, I don't care what happens

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Speaker 3: to Eric Adams because he happens to be a Democrat

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Speaker 3: is wrong. What we should be standing for, in my opinion,

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Speaker 3: is the idea that the Justice Department should go after

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Speaker 3: actual criminals, put actual bad guys behind bars, and not

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Speaker 3: be going after people with the wrong ideas or someone

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Speaker 3: who gets crosswise with people in positions of political power.

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Speaker 1: That's what I think we've got, you know. And when

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Speaker 1: you look at what they wanted. For example, the Turkish

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Speaker 1: Consulate needed a faster fdn Y fire safety inspection.

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Speaker 4: Than they also important, what are they actually getting to

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Speaker 4: the actually getting right exactly moving?

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Speaker 1: You know, did somebody else lose out on a on

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Speaker 1: a billion dollar city contract or even a ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar city contract. To me, it's all about degree. Obviously

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Speaker 1: it is right because in Congress they even say, look,

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Speaker 1: you can accept a gift of certain you know, but

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Speaker 1: someone can't just say, hey, Congressman, I like you. Here's

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Speaker 1: a bag of one hundred thousand dollars. Maybe we'll talk later.

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Speaker 1: Like we understand that there are some lines here. The

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Speaker 1: indict I'm just gonna say, the indictment against Eric Adams

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Speaker 1: is after I saw the headlines last night, it's weaker

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Speaker 1: than I thought it would be. It's not a doesn't

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Speaker 1: strike me as a slam dug.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, I'm starting to get a sense

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Speaker 1: that Adams is going to play the this is racist.

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Speaker 1: It is not the City of New York is not

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Speaker 1: indicting Mayor Adams because he's a black mayor. That's that

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Speaker 1: is not happening. So I hope he doesn't really get

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Speaker 1: it on that pathway. That is nonsense, I do think,

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Speaker 1: and we should explore this a little more. Mayor Adams was.

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Speaker 1: I know that he tried to blame you know, Carrie

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Speaker 1: pointed this out to me last night. He did try

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Speaker 1: to play this game of like, there's too much, too

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Speaker 1: many migrants, but just give us more money, and it's

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Speaker 1: the Texas governor's fault, it's Abbot's fault.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he was making too much.

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Speaker 1: Noise about it, is the point, and they wanted to

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Speaker 1: stop making noise about it. So I think he lost

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Speaker 1: the ability to have the White House call the US

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Speaker 1: Attorney for the Southern District and say in a phone call, hey,

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Speaker 1: lay off that guy, and that's all it takes. You

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Speaker 1: want to talk about corruption.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when we come back. I also think this is important.

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Speaker 3: If you know what the standard is for corruption. Somebody

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Speaker 3: makes a decision in the Southern District of New York

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Speaker 3: whether to bring charges on cases like these. They do

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Speaker 3: it every single day. Some Body at the Southern District

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Speaker 3: of New York should have looked at this and said,

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Speaker 3: does this rise to the level of whether where we

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Speaker 3: should be arresting the Mayor of New York City over

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Speaker 3: it to me based on this indictment, The answer is no.

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Speaker 1: It won't be long before the first official day of

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Speaker 1: hunting season hits for so many of you across the country.

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Speaker 1: If you're a hunter, take time to investigate a new

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Speaker 1: rifle that you want to upgrade to. This fall from

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Speaker 1: Bear Creek Arsenal. I was actually just at the gun

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Speaker 1: store this morning picking up Amy. I'm going to range

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Speaker 1: day this weekend with all my Bear.

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Speaker 4: Creek Arsenal firearms.

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Speaker 1: I've got my Grizzly, which is my non milimeter, I've

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Speaker 1: got my BC fifteen. My brother's going to be bringing

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Speaker 1: his AR fifteen from Bear Creek Arsenal. We've got some

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Speaker 1: uppers to change out, I mean, all kinds of great stuff.

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Speaker 1: Once you see the quality the craftsmanship of Bear Creek

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Speaker 1: Arsenal and the price that you can get brand new

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Speaker 1: new firearms maker of choice.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Plus you can customize, as I said, with their uppers.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about completed bolt carrier, the whole upper right,

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Speaker 1: the entire upper less than three hundred bucks, depends which

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Speaker 1: one you're getting, but I mean the prices on these

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Speaker 1: are fantastic. You can save ten percent off your first

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Let's open

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Speaker 3: up bones here in the third hour. We're gonna be

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Speaker 3: joined by Rob Schneider in a bit in the third hour.

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Speaker 3: But I actually want to hear from people about this

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Speaker 3: New York City mayor thing.

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Speaker 1: We have somebody who wants to argue with you, so

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Speaker 1: this is a great caller if he wants to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I get really both of us because we kind of

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Speaker 1: agree on this. I can't throw you under the bus

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Speaker 1: on this one. But Andrew in Pennsylvania says that what

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Speaker 1: Adams did is is bad enough to be prosecuted. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: make your first Are you a lawyer? You're just a

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Speaker 1: smart guy.

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Speaker 6: Uh No, just just a smart guy. I guess smart guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. But go ahead, why do you think

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Speaker 1: the crimes are bad enough to be prosecuted?

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Clay, sometimes First of all, Clay,

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Speaker 6: you're a legend. After the CNN interviewed, you're just a

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Speaker 6: legend in my book, so not I'm a fan. But uh,

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Speaker 6: you sometimes conflates politics with your personal life and how

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Speaker 6: you would treat people. I'm sure you treat people wonderfully

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Speaker 6: in your personal life and that's why you're a good guy.

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Speaker 6: But politics is fight, claw tooth and nail this guy.

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Speaker 6: If you don't, if you don't think it's against the law,

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Speaker 6: then you should raise the dollar limit as to where

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Speaker 6: the threshold is. But what you're also questioning the motive.

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Speaker 6: You're saying he sold out for for too little? Well,

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Speaker 6: isn't most crime have some form of.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me start, let me start with them.

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Speaker 4: You have great taste in meeting. Let's start here. We

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Speaker 4: agree on that.

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Speaker 3: The Buck and I were joking about him selling out

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Speaker 3: for that price, saying if all Turkey had to do

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Speaker 3: was give him better hotel and airline, seats or rooms

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Speaker 3: than he would have otherwise gotten. It doesn't feel to

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Speaker 3: me like this is a quid pro quo, which is

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Speaker 3: what is required. Buck also pointed out that what was

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Speaker 3: obtained was actually not some massive You know, they didn't

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Speaker 3: get a casino license in Midtown and make a billion

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Speaker 3: dollars off of it. They were trying to get help with.

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Speaker 3: My understanding is Buck the regulation surrounding whether their fire

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Speaker 3: alarms had been signed off on or not. In other words,

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Speaker 3: he's just trying to get approval for something that I

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Speaker 3: believe it's like a bureaucratic courtesy is basically what we're

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Speaker 3: talking about here.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said. It's not a ten billion dollar

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Speaker 1: contract or something.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about it more naturally