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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to a new episode of

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Speaker 1: Couch Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat.

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Speaker 1: I am the host, and if you are unfamiliar with

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Speaker 1: what couch Talks is, it is the special bonus episode

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Speaker 1: of You Need Therapy Podcast where I answer questions that

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Speaker 1: you guys send into Katherine at podcast dot com. Anybody

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Speaker 1: can send those in. And before we get into today's question,

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Speaker 1: I want to give the quick disclaimer that we always

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Speaker 1: give that although this is a podcast hosted by a therapist,

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Speaker 1: and today, surprise you get a little teaser for next

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Speaker 1: week's episode because I have another therapist here with me,

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Speaker 1: stoop Tooth therapist. So although this is a podcast hosted

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Speaker 1: by two therapists, it does not serve as a replacement

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Speaker 1: or substitute for any actual mental health services. Oh, today

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Speaker 1: you have a special treat because Couch Trucks is usually

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Speaker 1: just me. Today we have the guest I'm having next

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Speaker 1: Monday here with us to get you excited for the

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Speaker 1: episode next Monday. But I have Josie here, who is

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Speaker 1: a therapist at Three Courts Therapy and Three Courts Therapy

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Speaker 1: is the group practice I have in Nashville. And you

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Speaker 1: started in March here at Three Courts, not as a therapist,

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Speaker 1: but one of the things that Josie works with the

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Speaker 1: most is body image and eating disorders and all of

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Speaker 1: those things that come with that. And I had put

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Speaker 1: a question box on Instagram asking what kind of things

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Speaker 1: you guys when it came to body image, what kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff you guys wanted to hear about and wanted

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Speaker 1: me to talk about more on the podcast. And there

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Speaker 1: is something that came up a couple times in different

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Speaker 1: ways that I thought we could address. It's not something

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Speaker 1: that we addressed on next Monday's episode, so I thought

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Speaker 1: we could talk about it here because it is something

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Speaker 1: that usually comes up when somebody comes to therapy to

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Speaker 1: work on body image. So we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: that and I'm going to get your feedback on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you my take, so you get

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Speaker 1: two opinions, two professional opinions. Yeahs, that's what it is. Today.

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Speaker 1: I keep losing words and I don't know what that means,

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Speaker 1: and I'm trying not to look into it anyway. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask a question, then we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about it, and we're just going to see what comes up. Cool, perfect, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And just so you guys know, if you ever want

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Speaker 1: to send a question in, I always keep them anonymous

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Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about somebody finding out

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Speaker 1: it was you that sent in the question about maybe

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Speaker 1: your friend listens and you're like, I don't want my

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Speaker 1: friend to know that I'm asking a question about her.

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Speaker 1: You guess what, don't give me any details. It would

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Speaker 1: give it away in the question, and I won't tell

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Speaker 1: them your name. So the question for today, and this

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Speaker 1: is a paraphrase of a couple things that I put together,

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Speaker 1: But the question we're going to talk about today is

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Speaker 1: I have heard that what we see when we look

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Speaker 1: and I'm interested in why that is. And so we're

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Speaker 1: talking about, in other words, a type of body dysmorphia.

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Speaker 1: And we see something in the mirror, but it actually

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Speaker 1: doesn't line up with what reality is. And oftentimes that

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Speaker 1: happens because we are seeing what we feel. So we

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Speaker 1: have these interceptive messages inside of our body that are

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Speaker 1: tapping into the emotions that are going on based on

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Speaker 1: the experiences and the space that we're in. And we then,

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Speaker 1: based on what we're feeling, are viewing the image of

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Speaker 1: kind of what we're feeling. So that's why you can

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Speaker 1: on a Monday look in the mirror and have not

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Speaker 1: really any thoughts, or you could have happy thoughts, or

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Speaker 1: you could be just you know, go and see yourself

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Speaker 1: in the mirror and then move along with your life.

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Speaker 1: And then two days later or three days later, you

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Speaker 1: can look in the mirror, same body, and it looks

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Speaker 1: a completely different thing, and you could have a lot

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Speaker 1: of negative thoughts and you can say, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I'm so gross or this or that, even though you're

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Speaker 1: looking at that exact same thing. And so what I

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Speaker 1: really encourage people to do when they're in those spaces

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Speaker 1: icky thoughts and those icky experiences, so we can really

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Speaker 1: the mirror. Yeah, so would you add to that.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it or some of it

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Speaker 2: has to do with the environment you're in. So a

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Speaker 2: client or someone that group in a family where there

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Speaker 2: all of the trauma with family and body image. It

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Speaker 2: can be hard to go home right Like I can

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Speaker 2: differently when I'm around my really supportive friends, or feel

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Speaker 2: differently around Kat than I do if I go home

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Speaker 2: because of all of that stuff. And you'll we'll hear

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Speaker 2: more about that on Monday. But with like looking at

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Speaker 2: I think it can have a lot to do with

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Speaker 2: your environment and point being, we need to be mindful

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Speaker 2: of that. We do be mindful of Oh I'm going

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Speaker 2: home and there's a lot of trauma with body image here.

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Speaker 2: Being aware of how that makes me feel and how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know why this is what popped

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Speaker 1: would shift my view of myself and if I am

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Speaker 1: in a place like if I worked in I was

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Speaker 1: having an image of me going not me. I guess

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Speaker 1: it was an image of me. But you know how

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Speaker 1: they do those influencer trips like Tart the makeup people,

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Speaker 1: am in an environment that is fully based on image

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Speaker 1: all that, I'm probably going to feel a little bit

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Speaker 1: So then I might start looking at myself and see

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Speaker 1: see more flaws or see myself differently than I did

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Speaker 1: before I went on that trip. Yeah, mind you, I'm

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Speaker 1: never going on one of these trips. I'm never going

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Speaker 1: to be invited on one of these trips, and I

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Speaker 1: have no interest on these trips. But I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: if I put myself in an environment that was different

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Speaker 1: kind of like what you're saying, if I actually tap

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing that shame that I'm feeling. I'm not seeing

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Speaker 1: my body. Versus if I totally disregard my feelings and

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Speaker 1: seeing my experience in my environment and my feelings that

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Speaker 1: are attached to that environment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you really have to check in with yourself.

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Speaker 1: So be mindful. If you were having one of those

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Speaker 1: moments where you felt great on a Monday and horrible

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, ask yourself, where did I go, who

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Speaker 1: I had? What environments have I been in that might

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Speaker 1: be influencing what I'm seeing in the mirror.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is going to do it for this week's

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Speaker 1: episode of couch Talks. Like I said, if you ever

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Speaker 1: have questions or comments or feedback, you can send that

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Speaker 1: to Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast dot com. Look

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Speaker 1: out for Monday's episodes. You can hear more from Josie

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Speaker 1: and me talking about body image and again, I always

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Speaker 1: like to hear your feedback and I'm really interested in

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Speaker 1: what some of these conversations bring up for you. So

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Speaker 1: feel free. Even if you don't have a question, you

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Speaker 1: can send something into Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast

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Speaker 1: dot com. Just for the fun of it. You can

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Speaker 1: follow us at you Need Therapy at cat dot Defauda

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Speaker 1: and now you can follow at three quarts Therapy to

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Speaker 1: see more from the fourth therapists that work there with me.

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys are having the day you need

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Speaker 1: to have and I will talk to you on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Pye Hey,