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Speaker 2: and m Intelligence Style for Busy Women. I remember, as

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Speaker 2: if yesterday the first time I found Gabriella Hurst and

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Speaker 2: fell head of over heels for her. I've just been

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Speaker 2: at her flagship store trying on beautiful dresses, cozy, enveloping sweaters,

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Speaker 2: floating skirts, and my kind of shoes. Gabrielle looks at

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Speaker 2: fashion and clothes the way the River Cafe looks at food,

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Speaker 2: with simplicity, clarity, precision, and in both senses of the

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Speaker 2: word taste. Gabriella grew up and now runs a seventh

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Speaker 2: generation ranch in Uruguay, in what happens to be my

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Speaker 2: favorite continent, South America. What I love about her clothes

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Speaker 2: is what I love about her culture there, art, rama, energy,

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Speaker 2: melding of tradition and invention and the sun. Living there

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Speaker 2: has always been a dream. Today we're in London and

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Speaker 2: now we're just going to talk about food, clothes, family

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Speaker 2: and friendship. I'm head over heels indeed.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's equally. And I'm so touched by the words

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Speaker 1: that you said, because in this world to see your

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Speaker 1: work by someone like you and even compare it to

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Speaker 1: what you do, that you do with such generosity, because

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Speaker 1: only true generosity can have a place like this. So

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here and talk to you

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Speaker 1: about many things have you here.

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Speaker 2: But I also think that that's kind of what we

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Speaker 2: both do sometimes simply say I want people to leave

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Speaker 2: this place feeling better than when they walked in. And

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Speaker 2: when I think we do that with clothes. People have

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Speaker 2: to wear clothes and people have to eat.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that what you recognize is the

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Speaker 1: thing that you do uncompromising two quality of the ingredients

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Speaker 1: and who is making the clothes, right, so who are

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Speaker 1: the people that are touching the garments and who is

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Speaker 1: what else those ingredients and where those ingredients come in, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the responsibility right to really know the transparency of that.

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Speaker 1: And that's the difference from something looking good and feeling good.

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Speaker 1: Because I'm also interested in the psychology and it's my

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Speaker 1: love for women and for our clients that it really

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Speaker 1: it makes you feel, or when some clients have their

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Speaker 1: and they feel ready, because in truth, it's not nourishment,

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Speaker 1: but we are putting it on our largest organ, which

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Speaker 1: didn't know the power of transformation that clothes can have.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's also can all be related to food.

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Speaker 1: being able to eat the lemons, because I think that's

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Speaker 1: Yes, your parents were ranchers. They were both Jia and

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Speaker 2: So your mother was brought up and then she wanted

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Speaker 1: Yes, she was very much. She they don't. Both of

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Speaker 2: You of going to the city and going to restaurants or.

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Speaker 2: Where were you schooled?

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Speaker 1: I was cool. They sent me to monte Video, to

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Speaker 1: God say the Queen every Monday morning. Our computers were

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Speaker 1: given to us by Margaret Thatcher Prince Ann's visited. I

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Speaker 2: From being British abroad, is there, I mean, as either

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Speaker 2: their British passports. They brought the Burbery raincoats. Oh you know,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they become. But you're so far away and

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Speaker 1: see the history of the empires and how they influenced

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Speaker 1: you know, like even the gaucho pants that everybody associates

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Speaker 1: was like late late eighteen hundreds overstock from African wars

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Speaker 1: that would send you know, the overstock would always be

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Speaker 2: We yeah, but when you were growing up, so then

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Speaker 2: would you all sit down to a meal every night

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Speaker 1: Life of our ranchers wake up very early in the

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Speaker 2: Even did you have breakfast before you started?

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Speaker 1: I usually wasn't a big breakfast person, but they would

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Speaker 1: Usually scarce because we yeah we breed marina and angus now,

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Speaker 1: It's a nice sound. And in winter you would have

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Speaker 2: About just out that you might not have something to eat.

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Speaker 1: You just knowing your stocks for when you're cooking and

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Speaker 2: Your parents were up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like being in it wasn't a look, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: And she did this cake that some of my most

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Speaker 1: memorial food. She made this cake every week, which is

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Speaker 1: like a marble cake. And she would the chocolate yea

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Speaker 1: same cake that we've been done for like twenty thirty

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Speaker 1: have the I still have her recipe.

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Speaker 1: Everybody had tried to make it and failed, from my mom,

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Speaker 1: my aunt, and my best friend is Daniel Home Yes,

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Speaker 2: But those books are very precious. We have we've we've

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Speaker 1: She gave it to me. She was left to me.

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Speaker 2: Did you go to school.

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Speaker 1: I went to school in monte Video and then to

437
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: in Australia to Australia Lake Gin Anddera College, which is

438
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Speaker 1: in Camera, where people were like, oh Camera, I'm like,

439
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: at least it wasn't a sheep farm. Yeah. I was

440
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: excited about that. And was it fun. It was a

441
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 1: lot of fun because it was the beginning of globalization,

442
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: so it was a ninety four I listened to New

443
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: York from the first time, I mean grunch. I remember

444
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: seeing in Excess live. It was like a whole world,

445
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: like the whole world had opened.

446
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: And what was the what was the culture for you

447
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,959
Speaker 2: to go from the farm to camera?

448
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: In Australia, your was very conservative at the time because

449
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: it had just come out from the dictatory period. Ship

450
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: democracy came in nineteen eighty four. It was extremely conservative.

451
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,440
Speaker 1: Like men would dress the same, the guys were dressed

452
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: the same as the as the as the parent. There

453
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: was like a uniform. There was like an expectation of

454
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: what women should do and not do. And in Australia

455
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: it's like women were working and things were much more open.

456
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: And when I first thing I did when I came

457
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 1: back was getting a job in a flower shop. I

458
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: told my mom I'm working. I'm like, you're gonna live here?

459
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: Was it a kind of culture shop for you to

460
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: leave your why and the magic being in Australia? Did

461
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: you just embrace it? Was it scary?

462
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to go. But what Australia's imbolizes in my

463
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: life was the first time in my life that I

464
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: decided I wanted to do something. At seventeen, I told

465
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: everyone I'm going to go live in Australia and people

466
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: were like, you arein't saying your parents are never gonna

467
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: let you do this, and it takes only one person

468
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: that believes in you, And said a friend of mine said, oh,

469
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: I heard about the scholarship that you can go, and

470
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: I applied and I got in and I went. And

471
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: so it's that kind of thing of like, Okay, if

472
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: you set your mind for a goal, even if it

473
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: looks impossible, you just go for it.

474
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Speaker 2: Did you know you wanted to do fashion at that point?

475
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: When did that happen?

476
00:26:54,080 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: I was chosen for me by I think life my medium,

477
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: and I never thought I was going to be a

478
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: fashion designer growing up. I love fashion, I love clothing.

479
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 1: You're not going to see one picture of me as

480
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: a kid, not dressed on point like that that did

481
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: not exist. Like I'm always like, I loved.

482
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: Your mother, take your shopping.

483
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: We had no you have your clothes done by the

484
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: same stress. And then when my memories with clothes are when,

485
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: for example, they would be like the tableta breaking, like

486
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: the pit, like the dollar would rise right in Argentina.

487
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: So my mother would travel to Buenos Aires because it

488
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: was cheap and buy trunks of clothes. But you and

489
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: your sisters, yeah, and for everyone, and they should last

490
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: us a couple of years. Yeah, So it was more

491
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: like opportunity to go buy clothes come. But so it

492
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: was always nice. We just didn't go shopping regular or

493
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: you'll have it done.

494
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. And did you when did you then think that

495
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: you actually not only wanted to wear this world, but

496
00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 2: to design.

497
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Speaker 1: I was actually by accident when I was living in

498
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: New York. I always think that there's two types of people.

499
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: People are like my daughter Olivia or my son Jack,

500
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: or my sister Magdalena. I knew she wanted to be

501
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: a veterinarian, since they know what they want to do,

502
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: since kids, and they have a vision more myself or

503
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: my daughter Mia that we are interested by many, many things,

504
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: and you know, is something creative. But all I knew

505
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: was ranching. There was no one doing anything else by ranching.

506
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,719
Speaker 1: And so for me, it was trial and error, like

507
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: I tried everything, failed at everything. And then it was

508
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: in fashion that I started working for a designer just

509
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: to pay rent. That I was like in New York,

510
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: New York, in New York.

511
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, when did you go to New York.

512
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: I moved to New York and I went the first

513
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: time when I was eighteen, and I loved it. And

514
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: again it was like I am going to live here,

515
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 1: like it's a chip, implant it. And I saw myself

516
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: living here with a cat and I didn't even like cats,

517
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Like now I have a cat, and so I was

518
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: like I saw a vision.

519
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 2: There's a vision.

520
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a vision and I am when I

521
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: was eighteen. I loved it. I loved the energy of

522
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: the place.

523
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: It was just just by yourself.

524
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a friend that I met in Australia.

525
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: And we just lived in an apartment.

526
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like, we're like but just for like a

527
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: couple of days. It wasn't That was the first time.

528
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: And then I finally moved in two thousand and from

529
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: a heartache I was. I was dumped by a by

530
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: a boyfriend, only one that broke my heart. If you are,

531
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: if you're listening tonight, I actually thank him.

532
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: Oh okay, thank you.

533
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: It was a polo player, a very good one actually,

534
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: And and I couldn't even stay in the same continent,

535
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: so I went to live in New York. Crazy idea.

536
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't even afford it. To do.

537
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: Your parents support you, though, Was it really that that

538
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: you're eighteen or twenty or twenty one year out on

539
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: your own?

540
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: You know? The one thing I have to thank my

541
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: parents is that I've never They never had any expectations

542
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: on me.

543
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was.

544
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Like you have to be this, you have to There

545
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: was nothing they knew that I was. I think it's

546
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: my mom was a force of nature herself, and she

547
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: always did what she wanted and how she wanted it.

548
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: So I think that that obviously has his pros and

549
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: its collins. But what the pro was the fact that

550
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: they didn't have an expectations. They never told me work hard.

551
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 1: I work hard because I saw them working hard, you know,

552
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: so they were They let me pretty pretty free in

553
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: that sense, and I was living in New York and

554
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: then I went to the Neighborhood Playhouse School of Theater

555
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: there because I thought maybe the performing arts was the

556
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: thing for me that I really really quickly wasn't. And

557
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: but I needed to get a job, and I had done.

558
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: My first waitressing jobs were in my twenties. I was

559
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: a bad waitress.

560
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: So you worked in a restaurant, Yeah, I worked in

561
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,719
Speaker 2: a rest everybody that I do too. Johnny Ive Apple

562
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: introduced me to the woman who is head of recruitment

563
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: for Apple for everything you know, designers, architects, engineers, and

564
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: she said that if she looked on somebody's resume CV

565
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: and they'd worked in a restaurant, they had a better

566
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: chance of getting a job, because it does teach you,

567
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: doesn't It teaches you to be find when you're in

568
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: a bad mood. It teaches you to be on time,

569
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: not because of your boss, but because of your colleagues.

570
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: It teaches you to understand people's impatience. I think it's

571
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: a really good thing to do.

572
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I want my kids to all work in the work here. Yeah,

573
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: thank you. They're very capable and a sense of service

574
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: and the humbleness it's important. So I was a waitress

575
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: and then I was a hostess, and I did get this.

576
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: In New York.

577
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: In New York, New York.

578
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: You remember the restaurant I worked.

579
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: At, Pastie. I worked. Yeah, they fired you just.

580
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: You know that.

581
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: But the thing they had which I really liked was

582
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: the fact that if you went worked once at Pastie,

583
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: you could always go back to eat there. So I know,

584
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: you know, like they would always get at table always.

585
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: He was very and yeah, still has the best onion soup.

586
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: I ever said two weeks ago.

587
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: And I best honestly agree with you, but still the

588
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: best on yourself.

589
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely agree. So you worked, so he

590
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: worked as a way.

591
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a as a I worked as a hostess

592
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: in Pastide.

593
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the culture of eating out? Did you? Did

594
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: you when you look back on your life, not life,

595
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: but your experiences, do you think you have memoriable moments

596
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: in restaurants? And because I always try and think, what

597
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: is the importance of a restaurant? Really?

598
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: You know, a culture, it's family, but it's family, yeah,

599
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: and it's definitely we of course at home a lot.

600
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: My grandmother was a very good cooked, and my and

601
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: our housekeeper was taught by my grandma. So between them

602
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: and my mom, which is pretty decent, food was on

603
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: like level, I don't don't I feel guilty that my

604
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: kids don't eat that level of food. And it's like

605
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: it's just like because it's a total dedication, right and

606
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: my but the restaurant's idea was like where you would

607
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: go eat to, which is a market in Uruai where

608
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: you have a lot of different places where they'll serve

609
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: barbecues in the market.

610
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: It's nice.

611
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: And in Mexico as well, you eat in the market

612
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: and especially yeah, it's delicious, like delicious.

613
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: What's a bit like going back to the rat because yes,

614
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: you're eating.

615
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Well, then that's food is extremely important in my life.

616
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: I can do that.

617
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't associate traveling without food, Like I can't travel

618
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: to a place where, like I like, the food is

619
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: not going to be like a thing like I'm like,

620
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: it has to have food in the equation.

621
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: So does your husband as well think that way?

622
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 1: He's you know, he's a bit more like food is fuel.

623
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: But after you know, fifteen years with me, you get

624
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: to like, yeah, he loves, he loves and he heats everything.

625
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: Like what I love about him is that he's says

626
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: yes to He's game on everything, you know what I mean,

627
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: which is like to go through it. And I love

628
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: like blood sausage like chordisos, like you know it's tongue,

629
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: like give it to me to brains. Yes, yeah, like when.

630
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: You were talking about the lamb. I remember we lived

631
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: in Paris and we wanted to cook brains. I was

632
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: like twenty five and yeah, but I was interested. But

633
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: we went to the butcher and I said, I'd like

634
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: to try, you know, to cet brains. And he brought

635
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: up the head of the veal and then he cut

636
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: the calf and then he cut the brains out at

637
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 2: the at the at the butcher, it was just again

638
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: immediacy of seeing where it comes from, what they do.

639
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: And you know, I eat everything except octopus. I don't eat.

640
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't need clever being more clever movie, not before

641
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: the movie. Instinctive. Yeah, it was instinctive. Yeah, it was

642
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: very instinctive. Always like I'm like, they look very smart,

643
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: too smart, and but I we have my mom. She

644
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: praise every meal. She's a Buddhist, so she thanks every

645
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: meal to remind herself the process that it takes what's

646
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: in your plate, not only the elements, the sun, the earth,

647
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: the soil, the people that worked in and like, why

648
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: are we eating? Why are we fueling ourselves? Right, We're

649
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: fueling ourselves to do good in the world, right, And

650
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: this is kind of like the conscious sounds great.

651
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 2: I'd like to meet her. Did she come to London

652
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: to bring her hair?

653
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: Yes? I would. You would love for a by away, yes,

654
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: But she's not like interested. She was never interested in Europe.

655
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: She was never interested. She can go to Easter Island

656
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: three times a year, she spends a lot of time there,

657
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: or Lake Titicaca in Bolivia. She'll go to these special

658
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: places and tropological speaking and stay there. But she was

659
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,479
Speaker 1: never too interested in Paris. Yeah, the European contentment wasn't

660
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: calling her.

661
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: But it called you. And so when did you? When

662
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: did from the neighborhood playhouse to work in Festides to

663
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: being in New York? I started dressing the way you

664
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Speaker 2: dressed as a child. Tell me the trajectory of going.

665
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: I started fashion, I started working for I had to

666
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: pay rent, and I wasn't working in restaurants because I

667
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: was fired from Pastis And so I got a job

668
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 1: with a designer that was starting. Her name was Skara Jenks.

669
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: She was an African architect and she was still screening

670
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: blueprints on underwear and garments, and I thought that's a

671
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: clever idea. So she offered me a job that.

672
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: Was actually blueprints.

673
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, her blueprints that she had done. Yeah, I mean

674
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: we're talking like two thousand and two, two thousand and three, yeah,

675
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, and she was this was so

676
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: I learned how to seal screen. And she was selling

677
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: in little stores and consignment and in a little stores

678
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: and consignment, and she was going back to South Africa

679
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: for a few months and I took care of her business.

680
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: When she came back, we were in thirty five stores.

681
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I had put her in a showroom.

682
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: She was at sacks.

683
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: So I just realized that very quickly I have a

684
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: knack for list, not just the creative but the business

685
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: part of it. And then it was like you know,

686
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: then the showroom that I put her in the hired

687
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: me as a director of sales, so I actually started

688
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: selling learning how to sell. And then but I wanted

689
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,959
Speaker 1: to have my own brand, so I did trick Apropos,

690
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: my boss at the time, into having my own brand

691
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: inside the showroom that he didn't know that it was mine.

692
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: So I was getting paid to sell my brand. So

693
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: it was called no, it was called I was called

694
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: on And so I started from zero, from scratch and

695
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 1: ten years of like really.

696
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Real season the two thousands, two thousands.

697
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we launched in two thousand and three, November third.

698
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: It was like the first time I had orders, and

699
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll never forget. Everybody thought I was going

700
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: to get fired that day.

701
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: But I feel I realized and then tell me what

702
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: happened then?

703
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: And I started selling from the moment that because you know,

704
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: my dad's patients was kind of starting to warn off.

705
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: They want you home.

706
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: They wanted me home, and said and they were basically

707
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: and this was my last chance. Can you imagine asking

708
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: a gaucho to pay for me acting school in New York.

709
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: That was the best performance I've ever done To convince him,

710
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: It's like, what are you doing? Rare? All I had

711
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: to say. But Gregory Peck studied there, and the young

712
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: kit didn't actually study. I was trying to but that

713
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: two years of performing arts. Yes, I remember getting the

714
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: diploma and thinking like, oh, this is brilliant. Help me

715
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: or anything that it helped me so much change it

716
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: like the roots of like being honest, of truthful, of

717
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: like being able to talk of there's So it was

718
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: misnore technique and Marta Graham taught there. So it was

719
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: some quality stuff. So I'm very grateful that I had

720
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: that experience.

721
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see it sometimes and the people who

722
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 2: work here, even if they've been taught to dance, how

723
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: they moved, Yes, because you know, you have to pass people.

724
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: You have to you know, you have to apeen. And

725
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: when I had to do our first television show, and

726
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 2: you know Rose, my partner who died, she she chose

727
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: to surpproach. She could just get in front of the

728
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: camera and cut a zucchini and talk about it and

729
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 2: throw an onion and say I'm not using that. And

730
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: I would get up there and I just like slightly freeze.

731
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: And I remember calling my mother up and saying, why

732
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: did she send me to drama school? Why didn't you

733
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: tell me you take acting lessons? It's all your fault.

734
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: So then but then that just translated into stay you

735
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: knew did you miss the other ranch? Did you think

736
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: we wanted to?

737
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: You know, he was very strange when my dad passed

738
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Speaker 1: away in two thousand and eleven. And because when I

739
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: I basically hand over his ranch. He left a ranch

740
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: for my brother, and he left a ranch for me.

741
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: My mom has her own ranch for my everybody.

742
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: How big would they be? We talked about a ranch

743
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: is a ranch? Like, right, I.

744
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: Operate around twelve thousand hectares? Wow, yeah, eight thousand I

745
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: was doing the count eight thousand, four hundred heads of

746
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: gattle marine or sheep. No, it's operating full of eating ranch, organic,

747
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: grass fed. My dad had the vision of actually certifying

748
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: organic because we're obviously we're a developing nature, so we pay.

749
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: We'll get paid on the cheap, right. But he could

750
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: see when he would come visit me at Whole Foods,

751
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: the price of organic meat was fired and everything is organic.

752
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: We're like grass fed, and so he was like, we're

753
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: going to certify organic, and we did. And eurohy is

754
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: actually quite modern in the sense I was the first

755
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: country to have complete transability and all the animals since

756
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. So you know where animals come from, like

757
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: every animal has to have a cheap from and you

758
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: know the anti bread and how they were fed exactly.

759
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: And so when I heard my dad's ranch. I was like,

760
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: why was I running away from this? Like? Why was

761
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: I not? Because I loved it? There was something and

762
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: you know when people about this or that, or like

763
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: your dad is a doctor and there we always think

764
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: talk about this with my friend stuff where there's no

765
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: The masters is when you learn something since you're a

766
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: little child, right, so I don't do the daily day

767
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: operation of a ranch, but by of mioses, by hearing

768
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: all of this as as a child, I know how

769
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: it runs and what it needs to happen. So there

770
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 1: is something about being brought up in that world where

771
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: you automatically know. But yeah, so when I inherit the ranch.

772
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: I was in Paris, but where were you? Then?

773
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: I was living in New York And that's what made

774
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: me launch Gary with a Hurst because Candela had been

775
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: a startup with contemporary world and here's my ranch, Dad's

776
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: ranch with like Merino wool, which is the finest wall

777
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Certify organic. And then I'm working in the contemporary world

778
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: where people are asking me for cheaper prices and I

779
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get good at tailoring. So that's where I

780
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: realized I have to start over. And it was really

781
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: my Dad's ranch that triggered me to like this is

782
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: not aligned with who I am and what I do

783
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: and for it to be. And when we launched Garyla Hurst,

784
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: it was like immediately off the bad worked, but it

785
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: was all those other years of training And.

786
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: Tell me about your children, how do you feed them?

787
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you one anecdote because I was

788
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: insisting of always dropping them in school because like full

789
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: time working, you know, like I had no maternity leave.

790
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this with any pride, but you know,

791
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: I was pregnant with Jack when we launched Garrila Hurst,

792
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: and I was working through the hospital when I was

793
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: living in the hospital because my girls were mono monos.

794
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: So I lived in the hospital for three months, but

795
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: I was working in the hospital. So I've never really

796
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: non stopped working, you know, and so which I don't recommend, right,

797
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that this is what I did. But

798
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: I remember taking them to school and they were asking me, mom,

799
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: why are we eating breakfast in the car? So they're

800
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: like a lot of bagels happened, Like ye's a bagel

801
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: with green cheese getting the car, we can't be late

802
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But they love the family experience is

803
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: having a My moment of happiness is having and now

804
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: that they're teenagers, is having big tables full of their

805
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: friends and just eating a lot of food and like

806
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: just having a good time.

807
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: And do you feed them the food of Uruguay?

808
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: Do you?

809
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: Yes?

810
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: They have milionais a lot, they have steak, they have

811
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: but they know about nutrition, which is really interesting. My

812
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: son would be like rice and chicken and you know

813
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: his broccoli, you know, like he they are. They eat

814
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: very healthy, but it's still not the same as the

815
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: privilege I had of like here's the fruits and vegetables

816
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: and here's in your plate.

817
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: But they go there for the sun.

818
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I take them.

819
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: Every Do they go to restaurants? Do they like?

820
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: Yes? My daughters like going to restaurants. I mean, the

821
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: joke in the house is that I make very good reservations.

822
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: That's a talent. When you're working, do you have a

823
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: routine that you have breakfast before you start and you

824
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: have lunch? Do you stop for lunch?

825
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: You know, that's the one thing that I don't. I

826
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: do now, I'm pretty good at breakfast. Like I have

827
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: a little breakfast with my son because she loves breakfast.

828
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: So I sit down because my daughters are in boarding school. Yeah,

829
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: miss them, and I have breakfast with my son, and

830
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: then I go to the office and now stuff brings

831
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: me from home. She does these egg bites, egg bites,

832
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: so we will do like she will bring me the

833
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: egg bites. And then I'm always in the run. I

834
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: can't eat if I'm in a lot of action because

835
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: then my energy. The digestive system takes as much energy

836
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: as the brain, so if you eat while you're working,

837
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: it just draws your energy. But once in a while,

838
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: I'll be like, let's just escape and have lunch. Today.

839
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: We deserve lunch, so we will go somewhere. We'll go

840
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: to Cafe Altro and have lunch there.

841
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, this is, this is. We could go on for hours.

842
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: But if I asked you, what would you eat if

843
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: you needed comfort? If that's what you want, what would

844
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: that be do you?

845
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: I mean it can vary. That's the situation of like

846
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: what's my moment obsession. But I would say that if

847
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm in your way, it's a chi veto. That sandwich

848
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: is like my child. Yeah, it's everything. That sandwich, the

849
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: filanion sandwich with all the layerings because it's so flavorful

850
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: and every body is different and it's just so delicious

851
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: and you can only get it.

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00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,320
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