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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the HAMMERD Territory Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Episode three three three, A nice round number of sorts.

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Speaker 1: My name is Brad Roland and I'm joined on this

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Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon slash evening edition of the podcast by my

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Speaker 1: usual co host. His name is Scott Coleman. Scott, spring

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Speaker 1: training is officially underway. Everybody's there that needs to be there.

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Speaker 1: In general, that should mean that hope springs eternal and

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Speaker 1: people are feeling good. That's not the way Brave Spring

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Speaker 1: Training has begun. But how are you?

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling? Hello, Brad? You know it's funny.

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Speaker 2: We knew we were going to record a show today

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Speaker 2: and in my mind, I'm like, you know what, let's

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Speaker 2: be upbeat, let's be positive. There's been a lot of

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Speaker 2: bad news with the Brave stately, but there was some

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Speaker 2: good news on Hassan Kim and we're gonna still talk

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Speaker 2: about that. We're gonna talk about the outfield in depth

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Speaker 2: and all this. And then not even an hour before

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Speaker 2: we were scheduled to record, we get the latest Braves

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Speaker 2: injury news with Hurston Waldrip has an elbow problem. We

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Speaker 2: just we can't win. I mean literally, you can't go

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Speaker 2: more than like forty eight hours at this point. But

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Speaker 2: that's some kind of injury news to a Braves pitcher.

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Speaker 2: At some point it has to end right right, likediate

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Speaker 2: inferior should end and let us time stamp this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We usually record on Sundays, but it's a holiday weekend.

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Speaker 1: People are a little bit off on Monday. Some people

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Speaker 1: are off for President's Day. Coming you're coming u on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning. Just know this. We recorded this on Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's four o'clock Eastern on Sunday. Let's be positive, as

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Speaker 1: you just laid out in the first segment, but you

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Speaker 1: teased out later on we'll we'll get to Waldrope and

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Speaker 1: all what's going on there first, though, Let's begin on

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Speaker 1: the high notes. Number one, The Braves play a spring

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Speaker 1: training game this week. They play a game on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: So that's real life baseball. We like baseball on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It'll be nice to watch that. Also, there was an

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Speaker 1: announcement this week about Gray Media in partnership with MLB

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Speaker 1: dot Tv. I believe broadcasting fifteen spring training games for

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Speaker 1: the Braves. That's more than usual. So if you're itching

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Speaker 1: like we are, to watch in baseball, you can. Gray

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Speaker 1: Media is a southeastern product. I believe a lot of

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Speaker 1: markets though, Scott Musher, you have great media in your

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Speaker 1: market in Arizona. But you know, it's crazy, Brad.

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Speaker 2: I actually used to work for Gray TV for a

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Speaker 2: hot minute, my first job out of college out here

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Speaker 2: in Arizona. Yeah, of course it was like the only

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Speaker 2: West coast station, Gray Television head but a last there

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Speaker 2: you go. So I know Gray when I saw them, like,

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Speaker 2: oh interesting, and then but you're right they are. They're

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Speaker 2: very regional, very southeast. Most of the market's already way.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, look there's baseball coming this week. It doesn't count, no,

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Speaker 2: but that that does give you a little bit of optimism.

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Speaker 2: And if you are new to this podcast, we should

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Speaker 2: say at the top we are part of Herbitari, We're

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Speaker 2: part of Palel Territory. Were called Hammord Territory. Become the

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Speaker 2: Braves all year round. Please subscribe, tell your friends about

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Speaker 2: the podcast. We definitely appreciate you being here. But as

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Speaker 2: you just laid out, there is some positive updates beyond

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Speaker 2: spring training on Hassan, kim So, Alex and Thoppolos spoke

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Speaker 2: to the media over the weekend on a number of

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Speaker 2: different things, not all positive, but some positive, and he

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Speaker 2: uses I'm just to read the quote to you about

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Speaker 2: Hasan Kim from Malex quote we are hopeful and optimistic

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Speaker 2: that he'll be back at the beginning of May end quote.

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Speaker 2: So that's not a bad update on Hassan Kim. There's

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Speaker 2: been a lot of uncertainty, I would say, in particularly

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of specific from the Braves. Understandable, but

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Speaker 1: Kim is not on the sixty day il. That's a

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Speaker 1: positive sign. I means he can come back as soon

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Speaker 1: Does that mean May first? Probably not, but if you

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Speaker 1: versus like some of the do'sday stuff that we saw

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely encouraging for Kim, and I mean, let's get

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Speaker 2: So if the Braves are only gonna miss five six

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Speaker 1: I would guess that if the Braves knew he was

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Speaker 1: would have gotten less money in free agency. But as

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Speaker 1: a reminder, the deal was signed and then this happened.

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Speaker 1: It was not the other way around, So I get it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, Marie c a Dubon. First

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Speaker 2: Dubon had a great interview this week with media if

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Speaker 2: I know it's on Twitter, but you know, Dubon elite glove,

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Speaker 2: ultimately you'll have Dubon. Assuming everybody else is mostly healthy,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have Horeemiteo. You know, they went and

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Speaker 1: Assumption here on Vebruary fifteenth, Scott, I gotta say I'm

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Speaker 2: It feels like a reckless assumption at this point to

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Speaker 2: assume that any Atlanta Brave is going to be healthy

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Speaker 2: this season. But if and when they have most of

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Speaker 2: something Wise and then Thoughtless both talked about as well.

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Speaker 2: It's something we've talked about on the podcast. So fingers crossed.

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Speaker 2: We get to that point where you really are able

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Speaker 2: really good writy, you have options like That's I think

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Speaker 2: that's ultimately the best way to of the lineup, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see how it ultimately plays out this summer.

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Speaker 1: This might come across as cope, and perhaps it is

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Speaker 1: to some degree, but I actually believe it. People are

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Speaker 1: generally undervaluing the difference in depth that this team has.

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Speaker 1: Now does that solve every problem?

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Speaker 2: Before? You know? It does not.

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Speaker 1: You'd rather have stars, you rather have guys being awesome

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen when the Braves hired Alexanthopolis in wake of

429
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Speaker 2: John Coppolela getting banned for life, and I would say, listen, Brad.

430
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Speaker 2: Over the next eight years, the Braves would win the

431
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Speaker 2: division six times. They would go to the playoffs, seven times,

432
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Speaker 2: and they would win the World Series. There is not

433
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Speaker 2: a Braves fan on earth who would say no to

434
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 2: a World Series and seven playoff appearances over the next

435
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Speaker 2: eight years, every single time. And sure Alex doesn't get

436
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 2: all the credit. He didn't inherit an exhibition team or

437
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 2: a first year franchise, and he built it from the

438
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: absolute studs. But the point stands for better or worse,

439
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 2: he gets credit and he gets blamed. But this talking

440
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: point about only adding a frontline rotation playoff starter is ridiculous.

441
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 2: It is absolutely ridiculous. And you add the fact in

442
00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: that this guy Alex is mister cautious in free agency.

443
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: He never gives out a contract that we're like, oh man,

444
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: good player, but that's a big contract. He has never

445
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: done that in free agency. So you can't have it both.

446
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: You can't say that you only want to add a

447
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: frontline playoff starter, but then also turtle up whenever a

448
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 2: team wants five of your top prospects for a good pitcher,

449
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,640
Speaker 2: or not go seven years and two hundred million dollars

450
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: for Dylan Sea's or give fraanber Valdez a big signing

451
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 2: bonus and pay him thirty million dollars a year. You

452
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: can't have it both ways.

453
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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

454
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Speaker 2: Now there's nothing, I mean, there is nothing out there.

455
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: There's there's a couple of like number five starters. And

456
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: again we said it on the show the other day.

457
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Speaker 2: I have a hard time seeing a trade on February fifteenth. Maybe,

458
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Speaker 2: But well, and you're operating This is, I promise, is

459
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: not a defense of the pro office. Now you're operating

460
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: from a position of desperation, and teams know that. And

461
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: Alex is stubborn enough where he's not gonna give a

462
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Speaker 2: price that he doesn't believe is a wart top price.

463
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Speaker 1: Like there should be urgency. In my opinion, I think

464
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Speaker 1: you show that that sentiment right now with pitching, but

465
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Speaker 1: Alex has not shown the willingness to be urgent. Are

466
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Speaker 1: we not desperate? Maybe urgency of desperation have a different

467
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: differentiation there. But yeah, no, I'm with you. We don't

468
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: talking about a ton more. It's just it was. It

469
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: was annoying to me then and he talked about not

470
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: one to block guys and how if you give out

471
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Speaker 1: a rotation, if you give a contract or whatever, that

472
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: guy's a garrity rotation spot. Yes, yes, they are, but

473
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: they had flexibility. They had Grant Holmes, ever at a Lopez,

474
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Speaker 1: either of whom could have been in the bullpen if

475
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Speaker 1: they wanted to bring in more pitching and able to

476
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Speaker 1: go back and forth. Vernaldo Lopez has not thrown an

477
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Speaker 1: inning in a year. Grant Holmes is coming is currently

478
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Speaker 1: coming off of a no surgery elbow injury. And then anyway,

479
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Speaker 1: we did this on Thursday, so listen to a Thursday show.

480
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Speaker 1: On that show, we talked about three guys with like

481
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Speaker 1: major league track records that are still that were still available.

482
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Speaker 1: One of them has signed already. Zach Gallen is back

483
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Speaker 1: on Arizona, by the way, for exactly the qualifying offer.

484
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't the qualifying offer, but exactly the same price.

485
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Speaker 1: That's funny to me because it just feel like they

486
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Speaker 1: had didn't he he had nothing. I mean, I think

487
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Speaker 1: Bowman wrote today that Gallon, it was determined, was not

488
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: a fit in Atlanta, I mean, not a fit for

489
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Speaker 1: giving up a draft pick. Certainly, I understood that one.

490
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: By the way, that's the the only the only picture

491
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Speaker 1: of this entire cycle. When I'm like, you know what, Braves,

492
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Speaker 1: I'm fine not signing, not signing Zach Gallen. Yeah, that

493
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Speaker 1: was the only one. Yeah, because like if it was

494
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Speaker 1: val Es or Rangers Suarez or Dylan Cees, I don't

495
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Speaker 1: care give away the draft pick, fine, don't care. Gallen

496
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Speaker 1: was the only one where I was like, eh, probably

497
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Speaker 1: not the whole time. Yeah, so well that's a Gallon's

498
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: Gallon's off the market now, it's and you're down to

499
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Lucas Gigilito and you're down. It's uh yeah, Zach Lyttel,

500
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Speaker 1: who I did a bit on and I would sign

501
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Speaker 1: Zach Lytel today. I would. I'm not saying throw a parade,

502
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: but what by the way, I said that on Thursday.

503
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Speaker 1: So it's it's worse now than it was then. I

504
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: want to sign him Thursday. I still want to sign

505
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: him now. But he's not He's not inspiring at all.

506
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: Like I know, he's not. It's fine. It's just an

507
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,719
Speaker 1: ending's eater, that's all that is.

508
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: This is like going to a high school dance and

509
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: all the boys are on one side of the gym

510
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: and all the girls are on the other side of

511
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Speaker 2: the gym.

512
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Speaker 1: This is good. I like this.

513
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: And the braves are the shy dude, the shy fella

514
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: in the corner who doesn't want to go out and

515
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: ask the pretty girl to dance. Meanwhile, meanwhile, everybody else

516
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: is pairing up and they're going out to dance, and

517
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: you're like the last person waiting and there's only a

518
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: couple girls left, and you're like, well, these are my options.

519
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what situation the Braves are in. Now.

520
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: I counted yesterday, I counted that the transaction log for

521
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: like notable signings and trades this offseason, about twenty decent

522
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: to great starting pitchers have moved this offseason. Twenty of them.

523
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Speaker 2: The Braves weren't involved with any of them. Signings trades. Yeah,

524
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: now there's like two incredibly boring fifth starters who are

525
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: what help Like, Don't get me wrong, it's the Brave

526
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: sign Lucas Gielido on Monday morning. Of course he's better

527
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: than some of the options they have now, but he's

528
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 2: not inspiring. You're not gonna think about World Series tickets

529
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: by any means. It's just it's it's frustrating that we're

530
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: at this point.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know there are some very enthusiastic Kirson

532
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: Waldert fans that have often come at us to say,

533
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: you know, whereas walterup on the list, and it'll be there.

534
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Don't be pitching because they have Walter. And I get

535
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Speaker 1: if you there was always the part of the fan

536
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: base that wanted to this list a bunch of names

537
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: for us, even if you were in that part, which

538
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: we didn't agree with at any point. The list is

539
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: a lot shorter now, guys, like they're down to four

540
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: interesting starting pitchers and all of them have injury concerned

541
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: all of them. The healthy one is Special Strider. How

542
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: funny is that the healthiest starting pitcher Spencer Streider, who

543
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: just missed a bunch of time. And anyway, we'll see

544
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: man I and you know it's funny because we won't

545
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: do a whole preview now again. But the brads are

546
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: still I want to say, like tenth or eleventh or

547
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: something in fangraft step charts projections, Like there's a world

548
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 1: in which, yes, there's a world in which this group

549
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: that they have right now is decent or better that

550
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: exists because if they do get a little bit of

551
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: good fortune hahaha insert laugh track. Yeah, they actually can

552
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: be pretty good still, But I don't want to assume

553
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: that they have to have decent health like they they're

554
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: not going to have that probably, so sure.

555
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we is going to be. We are going

556
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: to be tiptoeing a very very very thin wire and

557
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: holding on for dear life. If Chris Sale can stay healthy,

558
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: and that is an enormous if, and if Spencer Strider

559
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: can can bounce back after a normal offseason and be

560
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: more of the consistent Spencer Strider, maybe they get mostly

561
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: healthy years from Homes and Lopez. Maybe yeah, maybe Spencer

562
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: Schwallenbach is back by like mid June. Maybe we get

563
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 2: good news on Waldrip's elbow and he's back in you know,

564
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: eight weeks or something like that. Those are all realistic outcomes.

565
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: They could happen, but man alive. I mean, we are

566
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: gonna be praying every single night that we don't lose

567
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 2: another picture between now and basically the end of September,

568
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: because we're just, I mean, we are so thin to

569
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: begin with, and it's just we're gonna be hanging on, Brad.

570
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be. It's gonna be pins and needles

571
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 2: for a lot of it.

572
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: The Braves currently need, and I use the term need

573
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: on purpose, The Braves currently need the good Bryce Elder.

574
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: That's not where you want to be. You don't want

575
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: to have to be relying on that, and the Braves

576
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: actually do need like the good, the better version of

577
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Bryce Elder to show up, not what you want. Okay Scott,

578
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Speaker 1: in a second, let's discuss Jerks and Profar and some

579
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Speaker 1: interesting injury revelations, DH talk, et cetera. After a word

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Speaker 1: from a partner's Okay, Scott, where's a Profar in the news?

581
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: And this will kind of be our DH capsule to

582
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: some degree because he's kind of the only guy on

583
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: the team that's at the age. Anyway, it came out

584
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: this weekend that Profar had sports hernia surgery back in November.

585
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: And I know what happened to at least one of

586
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: our co hosts. It happened to me too. I saw

587
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: that part of the that part of the news, and

588
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I thought, you've got to be kidding me. He's gonna

589
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: be out for two months. Then then I kept reading

590
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: and said, oh, this already happened. Thank god, this already happened.

591
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: But back in November has happened. It was a six

592
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: week recovery time. From what the Braves have said, he

593
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: is full go for training camp, spring training. All fine, great.

594
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: He said he felt this in September originally, which could

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Speaker 1: explain part of why he was a little bit rough

596
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: at the end of the season. Because if you have

597
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: a sports hernia, you're a baseball player. If you're a hitter,

598
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: that's going to be really bad for you. Ask anyone

599
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: that has that, I've ever had an oblique injury, how

600
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: hard that is if you're a hitter. Not that nothing

601
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: exact same thing, but it's relatively similar. Anyway, that was

602
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's good news, but it's like news.

603
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: Did you have reaction to that news that came out,

604
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: because it's like, okay, that's step one of this thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I had the exact same reaction that you did. When

606
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Speaker 2: I saw that tweet this morning that Profar underwent sports

607
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Speaker 2: herney of surgery. I thought, oh my lord, I would

608
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: have I would have totally crashed. I would have crashed

609
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Speaker 2: out like.

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Speaker 1: That before Waldrop too. So if it would have been

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Speaker 1: a Profar and then Waldrup within like an hour of

612
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Speaker 1: each other, I was like, are you kidding me right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So in this case, we lucked out, and only

614
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: one of our impact pieces is currently very questionable moving forward. Yeah, yeah,

615
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Speaker 2: I mean sure, the fact that Profar had the surgery

616
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Speaker 2: probably in early October, I would guess he should be

617
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Speaker 2: fully cleared from that. And a really important hitter in

618
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Speaker 2: this line, really really important we saw. I mean, when

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Speaker 2: Profar came back after the ped suspension, it was hard

620
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Speaker 2: to really predict anything, like, yep, you know, he comes

621
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Speaker 2: off this monster year with the Padres and then he

622
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Speaker 2: gets popped for peds and I believe it was like

623
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Speaker 2: a fertility ped thing. And I don't want to speculate

624
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: too much. He's you know, he's married and all that.

625
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it was maybe it was an

626
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: honest to goodness mistake. Maybe, but whenever a guy comes

627
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: off a career year and then gets popped for peds

628
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: on a Padres team that had some ped abusers in

629
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: the past, it was like, oh boy, the Braves just

630
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: gave three years to a guy who cheated his way

631
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Speaker 2: to a really good career year in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Profar was great after the suspension. He was

633
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 2: one of the more consistent hitters on the team, had

634
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: like an eight hundred OPS, which was very needed. Switch

635
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: hitter gets on base. Those are all things that are

636
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: really going to elevate this lineup this upcoming season, assuming

637
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: that he's able to continue that level of production and hopefully.

638
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: I can't imagine he'll have after effects of a sports

639
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: harney a surgery from four months ago, but you know,

640
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Speaker 2: good to have profar and hopefully he's ready to roll.

641
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the fact that everyone was very like, no,

642
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: he's good to go. There's no like if he was

643
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: still easing into spring training, I would be a little worried.

644
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's already good seems like it's

645
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: not a bit a problem. That's part one one scary news,

646
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: but not scary anymore. He was asked about kind of

647
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: being the primary DH in a scrum, and some of

648
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: the tweets did not do him any favors. If you actually,

649
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: I would recommend watching the entire exchange. He originally kind

650
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: of didn't seem thrilled with the idea of dhing. And

651
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: I'll stop here by saying this, Scott, I don't know

652
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: if this popped into your head like it did for me.

653
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Most guys don't want to DH. Most guys think that

654
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: these are confident professional athletes. They don't want to think, hey,

655
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm so bad in the field, but I have to DH,

656
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: which is basically the message, right, and some guys come

657
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: to some guys figure it out quickly that they kind

658
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: of have to do that. I think Marcel is going

659
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: to understood at some point like, hey, I can't play

660
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: left field anymore. I have to how Kyle Schwarber said, Yeah,

661
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: the money's in me just hitting the crap out of

662
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: the ball four times a night, and I'll sit on

663
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: the bench and help my teammates. Look at video, David

664
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: Ortiz like, there have been some guys who became dhs

665
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: and we're seemingly totally fine with it, right, I have

666
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: no I personally have no issue, and it's not surprising

667
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: all to me. The profile was has not like thrilled

668
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: to only have to d age. And by the way,

669
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: no one say the only good he's gonna play, not

670
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: for this year. He will be he will be standing

671
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: in left field. I can assure you at some point.

672
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, well that said. He also did say

673
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: it's why I recommend watching the Entwer clip. He did

674
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: say that he would do whatever the club needed to do.

675
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: He's not refusing. It's not like it's not Rafaeld. Never's

676
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: where he's gonna come in and like throw a fit,

677
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: like it's it's gonna be fine. That was kind of

678
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: a headline that I saw. It's like, guys, he's I

679
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: get why he's not thrilled, but I think he probably understands.

680
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: And also what why said later on in the day

681
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: after this interview with Profar came to light that, Uh,

682
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: I think why I said that Alice called Profar before

683
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: they signed you strem Ski and communicate with him like, Hey,

684
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be daching a lot of in the

685
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: season because they're bringing in an outfielder to kind of

686
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: play sort of that spot. So no surprises by any means.

687
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

688
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't want to speak for you, but

689
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't. This is a non that's a non story

690
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: to me. I get why it was. It's a spring

691
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: training thing. Everybody the media chord sprint training is actually

692
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: bigger than the normal everyone's down there right now.

693
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: I get it.

694
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: But it's like kind of a shrug. It's like, hey,

695
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna dh a lot. It's because he's a bad

696
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: He's a bad outfield It's what it is.

697
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is and I think you said it perfectly.

698
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: Where these are confident athletes who believe they're good at,

699
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, everything they do. They play at the highest level.

700
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: But defensively, last season for Profar was an adventure. To

701
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: be nice, The eye test wasn't good, the metrics are bad.

702
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: It's better than Marcel. That's That's the nicest thing I

703
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: could say about. It's better than Marcel.

704
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Profar was bottom ten percentile in range buy outs

705
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: above average. He has an okay arm, but you know

706
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: he's not Ronald acuni out there just throwing everybody out

707
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: left and right. You know. I think, as we sit

708
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 2: here today, without knowing what the baseball season will hold,

709
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: if I had to bet money on who will log

710
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 2: the most DH played appearances for the Braves this upcoming year,

711
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: I would put it on Jerks and Profile. But I think,

712
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: especially knowing that it's no guarantee that Acunya stays healthy

713
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: all year, and there's no guarantee that Michael Harris stays

714
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: healthy all year, and even Mike Yastremski, who's in his

715
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: mid thirties, is no guarantee to stay healthy all year

716
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: and has very extreme platoon splits. I think it's inevitable

717
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: that Profar will get some time in the outfield. All

718
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 2: it takes is one injury to an outfielder other than Profar,

719
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: and he's going to be playing out there most days,

720
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: I think, just and of course we'll know more once

721
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: Kim comes back. It frees up to bond. You know,

722
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: how is Sean Murphy hitting and all of that. Like,

723
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot of factors that are going to play

724
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: into this. But yeah, I think Profar is going to

725
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: have to DH some If he doesn't love it, then

726
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: he should try to get better defensively because he was

727
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 2: just not very good last year out there. And it's

728
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: you know, again, it just kind of goes back to

729
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: the Braves are going to rotate through the DH a lot,

730
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: and I think Profar will be there quite a bit,

731
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: but he's also going to have opportunities in the outfield

732
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 2: to be sure.

733
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Weiss talked about liking the flexibility at DH. You know,

734
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Alex explained that as part of why they didn't want

735
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: to not necessarily didn't want to Remarsell back, but like

736
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: they weren't urgent to bring Marsell back as they kind

737
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: of don't want the full time DH archetype that can

738
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: help it. It's kind of funny this is a decade

739
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: ago now, but profar was a shortstop coming up and

740
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: him him being almost unplayable in a corner outfield spot

741
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: after being a prospect shortstop is like crazy within like

742
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: year nine years and he's like thirty three years old.

743
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I think that's why he's not like he's forty's. It

744
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: is crazy how not great defensively he is. But anyway,

745
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: I want to give you the quote on Alex that

746
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: kind of covers a lot of this. So Alex said

747
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: this two days ago quote. Right now, with Sean Murphy

748
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: being out, the thought is the Jergson profile, we'll get

749
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: the majority of DH at bats against right handers. Michael

750
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: Strensky would start and left field against right handers. Against

751
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: left handers, wat Weiss will move some things around. That's

752
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: what we thought the entire time. But worth noting like

753
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: when Murphy comes back, there's a little bit of uncertainty

754
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: because presumably the hope would be Murphy hits enough where

755
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you can DH ball win some basically like they probably

756
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: don't want to DH Murphy a lot, uh, but you

757
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: could d H Murphy some if he's Raking, especially if lefties,

758
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: like in a perfect world, Murphy's like Prime Murphy and

759
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: he and you Stremsky can kind of just cross because

760
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Murphy mashes lefties historically, Scrimpsky mashes right historically.

761
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: Yay uh.

762
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: Also why I brought up this earlier with with Dubon,

763
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: Dubon and U Strimpsy can kind of go the other

764
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: way as well. You Stremski and Dubon has different platoon

765
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: spts Michael Harris as well. I mean, Michael Harris is

766
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: a massive split. I mean the problem with him is

767
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: that he has to play every day defensively. He's the

768
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: only Saton field, like real, real solid field, and they

769
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: have I mean, if he if Michael's as bad as

770
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: he's been at times, maybe he's not gonna play every

771
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: day and they have to play scrimp Sky in center

772
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: or something and just pray. Or maybe it's Dubon or

773
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, I think they're gonna give

774
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Michael enough leash where he's not going to just sit

775
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: regularly against lefties. Maybe you will eventually, but I don't know.

776
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: There is fluidity, there are different rights weaknesses. I thought

777
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: it was just telling that Alex didn't hide it at all.

778
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: He was basically like, hey, as long as Murphy's out,

779
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: basically Profar as the DH and sometimes we'll get other

780
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: other situations. It makes sense. It's not no, this is

781
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: it's surprising. It's just worth it's kind of just worth

782
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: noting because I'm with you. You said already you think

783
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: your belief is that profile leads the team in DH

784
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: play appearances. I'm right there with you, But DH is

785
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: the kind of our DH preview, Like, how many names

786
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: could you see taking DH plate appearances this year? I

787
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: mean we've bemned a lot already, but it's all right, Well,

788
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: you got Profar, you got Murphy and Baldwin, that's three.

789
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: Akunya almost certainly will DH at some point this year.

790
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: That's four.

791
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, at some point. I mean Sky might I

792
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: think Riley will probably get a few days.

793
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Drilly a day off, something like that. So it's

794
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm missing anybody else that might because I don't but

795
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to DH, du Bond or Kim. That

796
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense. No, no, And then

797
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean Olsen just plays every day at first, so

798
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to do anything with that

799
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: I could see Matt like, hey, we're gonna give you

800
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: a day to just not play defense. That wouldn't stun me,

801
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I guess. But even then, about five six guys who

802
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: are gonna almost certainly play DH without anybody, they could

803
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: also require someone mid season very easily. That's that's an

804
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: archetype that's not exactly hard to find. Like bench bat

805
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: types who can DH for you is not difficult to add.

806
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: So in fact, I know Steve has been saying this

807
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: for a long time. The brisk could add a bench

808
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: bat in the next two weeks that could help them

809
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: at DH for cheap. It's very possible. So yeah, I

810
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: don't know.

811
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's like Reyese Hoskins is still floating

812
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: around like somebody.

813
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Castellanos just sign already. But we got a question.

814
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: I know if you saw to our Twitter that was like,

815
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: shuld the Braves signed to Castianos And I'm like, if

816
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: it was cheap enough then maybe, but like it wouldn't

817
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: have been cheap enough. So no, but that kind of player,

818
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: like we lively this segment two weeks ago, like, hey,

819
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: if the price is low ed off, that could probably

820
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: sign Marcel. It'll it'll be fine. It wasn't low enough.

821
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: He got eight figures from somebody else, so yeah, I

822
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: don't match that, but that kind of player could maybe

823
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: help them.

824
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a puzzle. And as we sit

825
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: off the top with you know, hopefully Hassan Kim is

826
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: back in early May and then you have more of

827
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: like kind of the the big picture of your offense

828
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: as constructed this offseason will be at Walt Weiss's disposal,

829
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: and he can kind of build out his lineups various ways.

830
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: If you're facing a really good lefty, you can stack

831
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: your righties, and if you're facing a really good righty,

832
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 2: you can try to stack your lefties and also pinch hitting,

833
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: which is kind of a lost art now in baseball

834
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: with the DH. But you know, if if you're seeing

835
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: a really good lefty starter that night and then you're

836
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: facing a righty reliever late in the game, well that's

837
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: Mike Stremsky's music, like he's he's gonna come up and

838
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: hit for somebody. So it's I really do I mean

839
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: for all the bad stuff, and even though I mean

840
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: there's been a lot of bad stuff this spring and

841
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: even over the last month, but it does feel like

842
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: this offense should have the more versatility and not result

843
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: to have to play Alex Radugo and Brian de la Cruz.

844
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: And I mean even even Nick Allen, as good as

845
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: he was defensively, was I mean literally like the worst

846
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: hitter I've ever seen. I mean he he you know,

847
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: good listen, Alex worse than a Allen last year. I

848
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: mean he wasn't, but he might he might have been.

849
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: The experience was worse, I'll tell you that.

850
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very sure who the bench bat is against

851
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: Righty's and it's like he just it's it's Astremsky. He's

852
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna be in that He's gonna have a lot of

853
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: played appearances where he's he's not he's not starting that day,

854
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: but in the eighth inning, the biggest hit appearance of

855
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: the game's gonna go to Mike Scrimsky the other side

856
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: of the of the play. Doesn't we have that designated guy.

857
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: But they have some more options there between Murphy and

858
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Dubon and whoever else. So yeah, I mean that's d ah.

859
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: It's it's not exactly exciting. It's not as boring as

860
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: it was previously. What it was like, Hey, it's gonna

861
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: be Marcel every day, and we all know that. I

862
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: do think that makes sense to play Profar, and there

863
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: a lot I do, and I do also think the

864
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: Braves can do a better job. And this is part

865
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: of the White's experience. Maybe we'll see differently from snicker

866
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 1: of giving guys a day even with not a full

867
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: day to like not play, use DH to spell Ronnie

868
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: to save his legs, use DH to save me for Riley,

869
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: like whatever, eulop by Duvant at third base with his

870
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: eyes closed. It's fine, but use that aggressively to manage

871
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: your roster. And days off are also fine, by the

872
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: way they should be allowed in the new era of

873
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: Braves baseball. But Profar is both a clearly good hitter

874
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: and also a player who is not a good defender,

875
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: and that combination means you're playing a lot of DH

876
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: and he could let's we'll talk about him. We'll talk

877
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: about him a little bit. Anything else you want to

878
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: add about Profar, Like he didn't hit the balls hard

879
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: last year as in previous seasons, he managed to not

880
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: to be a problem because he was elite play discipline,

881
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: like took a ton of walk to the strikeout, he

882
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: was actually better last year than he had been in

883
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: any other season of his career other than the year before.

884
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: So like he did regress from the year before. Whether

885
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: you think that's drug later or not. He was still

886
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: good last year, but he the stack casts just to

887
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: use stackcast as a catch all. His bad at ball

888
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: DAA was not as good, and he concerned about Profar,

889
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: Like I think the systems don't necessarily worry about him.

890
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: He's got pretty good, but it was notable that he

891
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: was didn't He wasn't smashing the ball last season.

892
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 2: You know. He's such a good on base guy and

893
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: has been his entire career, good hand eye coordination, has

894
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: never been a big strikeout guy either, So no, yeah,

895
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: I mean as he gets into his mid thirties, do

896
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: I expect Jerkson Profar to be in the MVP hunt. No,

897
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: But I think he's just going to be a solid

898
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: to good hitter for this team. He's gonna get on

899
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: base and probably I mean I would have Profar back

900
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: towards the top of the lineup to get him on

901
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: base ahead of Olsen and Riley and Baldwin. I mean

902
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: that makes sense to me. Yeah, sure, I think there

903
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,479
Speaker 2: is some downside risk because we only are talking about

904
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: a half of a season where he was good post

905
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: ped suspension. But you know what, he's He's a talented

906
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: guy and sometimes it just takes a little bit longer

907
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,919
Speaker 2: for players to figure it out. And so no, I'm

908
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: not I'm not super concerned about Profar. I don't just

909
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: put it in pen that he's gonna be awesome, But

910
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: I think he'll be fine. I mean, I think if

911
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: if you tell me at the end of the year

912
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: he has a seven eighty ops while rotating in the

913
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: DH and outfield spot, maybe eight hundred ops. I mean,

914
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: I think you have to take that all day.

915
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Long, I was you do not know I was going

916
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: to do this to you. I was going to ask

917
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: you about his ZIPS projections, whether you feel there reasonable

918
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: or not. And as a refresher, last year he had

919
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: a one twenty two w RXC plus. There's actually one

920
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: twenty six if you take off the first week of

921
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: his season pre suspension. But what's twenty two zips takes

922
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: a lot into account, goes back a few years history,

923
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: all the that stuff. They have him for this year

924
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: at a one to twelve arsity plus and like a

925
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: seven sixty ops. Not a huge difference, but a meaningful one.

926
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Any thoughts about like which one of those you like

927
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: last year versus zips? I think I don't want to

928
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: speak for you. Two years ago, I would not assume

929
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: it's coming back. I would say it can't be that

930
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: player from when he had like a one to forty

931
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: university plus two years ago that got in the contract

932
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: that he got Yet one thirty nine with the Padres,

933
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: that's possible. That's that's a higher end outcome for sure.

934
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: But uh.

935
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: Any thought about like his zip's too low or whatever.

936
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: I probably, I mean I said without knowing what the

937
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: projection was. I think I said like a seven eighty ops,

938
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: which is a little bit higher. But you know, over

939
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: the course of a six hundred played appearance season, I

940
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: mean that's like that's like one home run or something, right, Yeah,

941
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: I mean it's you know, I was gonna say, it's

942
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: like two balls down the line going fair instead of

943
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: foul and they end up being doubles or triples instead

944
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: of foul balls. I mean, it's it's really small at

945
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: that point. But yeah, I mean again, I don't think

946
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: we can just bank on Profar coming back and being terrific.

947
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think there's there's nothing. Even if his

948
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: bat at ball profile took a little bit of a

949
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: step back. I think he's a good enough veteran hitter

950
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 2: that he's going to be productive. And basically, I think

951
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: Profar is gonna do what the Braves need him to do,

952
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: which is get on base, keep the line moving, a

953
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: little bit of power. You know, maybe maybe he can

954
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: get twenty homers, especially hitting at Truest Park and left field,

955
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: or hitting his lefty and Truist Park, where he's going

956
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: to have that right field porch. Like, yeah, I mean,

957
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: good season, not great.

958
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you kind of it's very convenient actually that

959
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: he played essentially exactly half of the games last year.

960
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: If you extrap play it out from last year, he

961
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: was on pace to have thirty two doubles and twenty

962
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: eight home runs. Like, that's some real pop. It's not

963
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: like elite pop, but real pop. He can't really Ronni's

964
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: pretty slow, but I think that, Yeah, I think he's

965
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: going to be a good hitter for the Braves. Star No,

966
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you. You can't run that in pen. He's

967
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: not the level of hitter that Ronnie is or that

968
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: olsen Is, but I think that there's a little bit

969
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: of upside, and I think the downside is actually not

970
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: very low, which is encouraging the healthy, healthy outdide. I mean,

971
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: because like the biggest thing, which is funny because he

972
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: was coming off the season where he had all this

973
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: pop that I know we praised when they signed him,

974
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: was like, this guy takes a lot of walks and

975
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: doesn't strike out, and there's some nice floor in there. Yeah,

976
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: with a thirteen percent walk right, Like, he's gonna have

977
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: an open an on base percentage that's very very solid

978
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: no matter what, Like go back to twenty twenty, even

979
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: when he wasn't for hitting for a lot of power.

980
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: He has like a three fifty VP for the last

981
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: five six seasons. Like he's gonna get on base. It's

982
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That helps, Yeah, yeah, get on base.

983
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm gonna be really interested to

984
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: see what Profar does this year, especially because you know

985
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: last year it was just such a weird start. I mean,

986
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: he played like four games and then it was the

987
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: Monday afternoon or Tuesday afternoon after the Padre sweep and

988
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: they were about to go play the Dodgers, and then

989
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: and then Profar gets banned eighty days and it's our

990
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: eighty games and it's just like, dear Lord, here we go.

991
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think it's one of the

992
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: true offensive storylines. I think we're going to be watching

993
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: over the summer. Is just how good is Jerks and Profar.

994
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: And he was one of the few bright spots last

995
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: year when he came back. So yeah, hold on to

996
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: that as long as long as you can, All right, Scott,

997
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: we can, I think sign off this one one more time.

998
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: It's five o'clock on Sunday, So if you're listening to

999
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: us to the end, we still don't know anything else

1000
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: about Waldrop or anything else, so please stay tuned. We'll

1001
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: have content. We will react to Waldrop's information when it

1002
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: comes at some point Monday's present day, who knows, So

1003
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: please stay tuned. Please subscribe to herbit territory, whereat your podcast,

1004
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: et cetera, Scott, and then to add and if not,

1005
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: where can folks follow you on other platforms other than this.

1006
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: I would just really like to stop talking about injuries

1007
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: on this podcast.

1008
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: It'd be cool in February today, I have to talk

1009
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: about this every day.

1010
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, fun somebody have a magic wand just wave it

1011
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: a couple of times and no, Actually, you know what,

1012
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: on like MLB the Show or on Madden you can

1013
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: hit the button that turns off injuries. Somebody hit the

1014
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: no injury button for the love of God. Please. Yeah.

1015
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 2: But until then, we'll see. Maybe we're doing an emergency

1016
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: show soon because the Braves now have to sign somebody

1017
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: out of like actual desperation. Like I mean, we we've

1018
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: been talking about it that it was a need. It

1019
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: is such a need.

1020
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 1: Now give me the zac. Let tell Blue Square now

1021
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: I will gleefully record again if that's what needs to happen.

1022
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: One year year, by the way, eight million, with some

1023
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: some performance bonuses, whatever you gotta do. But yes, we'll

1024
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: be here, rain or shine, win or lose whatever. It

1025
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: is a big shout out to everybody for sticking with

1026
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: us throughout the off season. And at some point we'll

1027
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: have real baseball to talk about, real games to talk about.

1028
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: This is important, Scott. Somebody asked, I think two people

1029
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: have asked in the last couple of weeks how they

1030
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: can get the hat that you're wearing right now. Do

1031
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: you here where you got it from?

1032
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: So I have bad news on that front. I got

1033
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: it out here in Arizona.

1034
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: Unavailable.

1035
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so shout out. We do have a few listeners

1036
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: in the great state state forty eight. I got it.

1037
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: Oh boy, I think I can tell you where I

1038
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: got it. I'll look this, we'll do. I'll try to

1039
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: find it online, and if I can find it online,

1040
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 2: I will drop the link in our comments kind of

1041
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: because YouTube doesn't really allow links. But yeah, it's a

1042
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: good looking hat. If folks aren't, you know, it's a

1043
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: nice cream hat. Very in very I'm very fashion forward, Brad,

1044
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 2: as you can tell me.

1045
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: Sure tie right now there you go, very very.

1046
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: Stylish, handsome.

1047
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: The hard part yeah, uh no, I saw that in

1048
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: the comments and I wanted to I'm usually the one

1049
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: that moderates the comments for us, for better or worse,

1050
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: and uh, I was like, you know what I'm gonna

1051
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: ask on listening. I forgot to do it tool right now.

1052
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: But you're wearing the hat again. So here we are

1053
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Speaker 1: on the air. Okay. Paul Scott at Scott Holding fifty

1054
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Speaker 1: five on Twitter, he's a much better follow than I

1055
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Speaker 1: am on that platform. If you want to follow me

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Speaker 1: favorite audio platforms. Delo the show there as well, same

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Speaker 1: thing in reverse. If you're an audio listener. I know

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Speaker 1: I always say this, I am an audio podcast listener.

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Speaker 1: Primarily take two seconds to just go ahead and subscribe

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Speaker 1: on YouTube like the pod, hit the Bell, all that

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Speaker 1: fun stuff, and we very much appreciate all the support everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's all we have for today's stay tub. We'll have

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Speaker 1: much more coming up later this week, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you all next time.