1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to this edition of Amy and PJ. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: This is part two of our conversation with four time 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Grammy nominee Jewel. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: You talked earlier about liking to be alone, right, and 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: that was helpful for you. But then you have something 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: called the not Alone Challenge. Now help us bridge that 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: divide if you will, but no, explain. This started several 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: years ago and it's grown to the point now you 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: have an award show coming out. But how did it 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: start in the first place. 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a great distinction. You know, being alone 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 3: is different than loneliness. You can feel lonely around people. 13 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: You can be alone and feel deeply connected. It's a 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: very personal thing. But I really you know, we've seen 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: the stats on mental health are really dismal. One in 16 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: four kids are contemplating taking their life, and it's not 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: much better for adults in all honesty, and so we're 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: really living through an epidemic of disconnection. And we forgot 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: how to connect to ourselves in a meaningful way. You know, 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: where we enjoy being alone and we like our company, 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: we've lost how to really connect to one another in 22 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 3: a meaningful way and connections nourishing. It's very it's important 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: to us. We're a carbon based molecule. We're literally built 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: to connect. And so the challenge is was actually the 25 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 3: diet idea of our kids. We have a mental health 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: foundation and we've been doing it for twenty five years 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: and it was one of their idea to do a 28 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: social media challenge, and it's just been wildly successful. We've 29 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: gotten over three billion impressions. It's just been unreal in 30 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: four years. And so for me, it's really about not 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: just raising awareness, but putting tools into people's hands that 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: are free, giving them resources that they may not know about, 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: because I think it's mean to raise awareness and then 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: not help them. That's just because you kind of are 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: also aware your miserable. It's like, but now what do 36 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 3: I do about it? And then the success was just 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: so overwhelming that we decided to segue it into a 38 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 3: summit this year and an awards show. 39 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: That's incredible and it's interesting hearing you say we've never 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: been more disconnected, and yet we've never been more connected 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: technologically speaking, how much do you think that has actually 42 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: been a huge disservice. I know you can be empowering 43 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: with social media challenges and hashtags. And getting information out there. 44 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: Why do you think we're in the state we're in 45 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: given the technology we. 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: Have it, I don't know. Food might be a good metaphor. 47 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: You know, you can be full and have a junk 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 3: food diet and you're nutritionally starving, and so you want 49 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: to look at like what type of calories might and 50 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: I'm going to get really nourishing diet and connections like that. 51 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: There's vapid entertainment excitatory which a lot of our technology does. 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 3: You know, when you scroll through your Instagram or whatever, 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: it can be sort of this biochemical perk, almost like 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: it's like a hit that we're kind of also forgetting 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: what deep, meaningful can feels like it's different than excitement. 56 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: Do we have kids growing up who don't have any 57 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: idea what that is? I mean, some adults could have 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: lost it along the way, but we have a whole 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: generation growing up that they know how to use an 60 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: iPad and navigated by the age of two or three. 61 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: So their connection has always been that are we losing 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: in your opinion, and to some degree, a generation of 63 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: kids who are coming up and right now have no 64 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: idea about what it's like to have a human family 65 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: connection on a homestead. We don't have to go to 66 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: that extreme, but you get what I'm saying. 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's an unprecedented time to parent. You know, 68 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm a fourteen year old, and so iPads were around 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: and doing well when I was a young mom. And 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: seeing my son's personality change when I took the iPad 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: away when he was four, I was like, Oh, there's 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: something up, Like, this isn't what I think it is. 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: This isn't harmless entertainment and learning that they really do 74 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: get addicted to their own body chemistry through these excitatory 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: neurochemicals and we're just not teaching parents about it, you 76 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 3: know what I mean. And you know, learning to have 77 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: a calm, open, dilated sense of connection is very different 78 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: than being excited and entertained, And so you definitely want 79 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: to help your kids not confuse those two things if 80 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: you can. 81 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious as a mom. You know, you said you 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 1: wanted to break the cycle that you inherited, that your 83 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: father inherited. 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: How do you do that? 85 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a heavy task once you've acknowledged 86 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm a believer that we all all 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: suffer from some form of mental health issues at sometimes 88 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: every point in our lives. But it ebbs and flows. 89 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: We're all in the thick of it, and we all 90 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: inherit something. How do you how do you break a 91 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: cycle like that? How have you done so? 92 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think one is just through attention and the 93 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: willingness to want to do it and to show up 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: every day and make that a priority in your life. 95 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: When you make your happiness your priority, your life will change. 96 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: You know, how fast or how slowly is all up 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: for debate, but it change for healing, you know, generational trauma. 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: For me, like something that's really helped me is just 99 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: the healing of the parent, is the healing of the child. 100 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: You know, my commitment to heal is a gift to 101 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: me and it's also a gift to my child. And 102 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: then learning to live with the fact that you're not perfect. 103 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 3: You're going to make mistakes in front of your child, 104 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: and what you really hope their takeaway is is that 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 3: they're going to be growing and healing and learning their 106 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: whole life too. 107 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: How is your What do you notice about your son 108 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: at the age of fourteen and you think back to 109 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: how you were at the age of fourteen, coming up 110 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: in a much different place, in a different way, different mindset. 111 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: How do you compare those two kids? 112 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I became a single mom when I 113 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 3: was forty, I guess. And I was like, how do 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: you be a single parent and be famous and rich? 115 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: Like it's kind of like having two strikes against you as. 116 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 1: A parent, I think. 117 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 3: And so I was like, I don't think I could 118 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 3: be famous, rich and live in la I know a 119 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: lot of parents do it successful. I just it was 120 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: so far from how I was raised. I didn't know 121 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 3: how to do it. I was like, that's three strikes, 122 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: Like I don't know how to parents around that one. 123 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: That's a tough culture. So for me, it was like 124 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: I made a big commitment to move in a tiny town, 125 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: to use nature as kind of my co parent the 126 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 3: way it was one for me, and to just have 127 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: a specific lifestyle hopefully that could help anchor my son 128 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: into a very real experience. 129 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that concept, to have nature be a 130 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: co parent with you. That's pretty cool. I can say 131 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: that some of the most meaningful and mindful experiences I've 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: had with my children were hiking. They had to put 133 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: their phones down because there was no cell reception where 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: we were, and they all of a sudden were connected 135 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: to something that Especially raising kids in New York City 136 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: has been a difficult situation in a lot of ways 137 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: because it was very different from how I was raised, 138 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: certainly how TJ. Was raised Georgia, Arkansas we're in you know, 139 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: are jungle and so yes, raising kids without access to 140 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: the kind of nature that we grew up with is 141 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: significant and I never thought about it like that, But 142 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. We can learn a lot from our surroundings, 143 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: maybe not as much in New York City, but maybe 144 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: in ways we didn't want our kids to learn. 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: Is he connected to earth like you were? Would you say? 146 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, he has a really meaningful connection. So I don't 147 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 3: think it's the same we have such a childhoods but 148 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: yeah he has a And you know, nature does it 149 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: for you, like if you have a hard time relaxing, 150 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: get out in big nature. There's studies on what it 151 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: does to your nervous system and helps it dilate and 152 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: helps you regulate your nervous system. 153 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are absolutely appreciing to the choir. 154 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: There is something about being Any problem you have suddenly 155 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem insurmountable. True when you're surrounded by nature. 156 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: I love that. Now you mentioned raising awareness is one thing. 157 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: Giving people tools is actually what is meaningful, in the 158 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: sense that we have to give not just our children 159 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: but adults too, outlets and ways to figure out how 160 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: to get better, how to make happiness a priority. What 161 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: are some of those ways that you all are sharing 162 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: with people who attend the summit and certainly news of 163 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: this awareness. 164 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many tools. So I guess just for 165 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 3: anybody listening, you know, if talk therapy hasn't worked for you, 166 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 3: there's CBT, there's DBT, there's transcranial magnets. So keep going. 167 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: You know, if some one modality didn't work for you, 168 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you're broken. It just means you didn't 169 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: probably find the right tools. Yet. 170 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: What were those acronyms, because I don't even know what 171 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: they stand for. 172 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, one is CBT, it's cognitive behavioral therapy. The other 173 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: one's dialectical behavioral therapy. I'm a big believer that by 174 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: changing our thoughts, feelings, and actions, we see specific results 175 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: in our lives. Talk therapy for me, personally alone never 176 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: quite worked. I would become aware of my problems, which 177 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: was like really great, but then I needed to like 178 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: practice something to change these long ingrained habits that I 179 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: had had. So CBT and DBT kind of revolve around 180 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: that the practicable things that you can do to wake up. 181 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 3: But there's tons of tricks. You know, we have a 182 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 3: mental health Foundation and we work with kids with suicidal 183 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: ideation and all kinds of things, and so you know, 184 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: like for panic attacks, there's many things you can do, 185 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: ice cubes, something cold. You know, when you have a 186 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: panic attack, your brain goes offline, it goes dark, and 187 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: if you watch an MRI you can look it up 188 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: on the internet. Your blood drains out of your frontal 189 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: lobes and your amigdala gets all of the blood, and 190 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: so you literally go offline. And that's why it feels 191 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 3: that way. And so if you want to you want 192 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: to force blood back into the processing centers. And so 193 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 3: one of the best ways to do that is just 194 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 3: have sensory things so cold or hot or taste or 195 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 3: touching something and making your brain process this is a 196 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 3: cold white counter, just that type of detail your blood 197 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: has to like redirect to process us those kinds of 198 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 3: information signals and so that'll help you get out of 199 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: a panic attack. And then you can learn to bring 200 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 3: awareness around like way I can feel in coming on 201 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 3: and then like, oh, I know for me, like if 202 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: there's two, I call it pillar changes. Like if I'm 203 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: going through two foundational changes in my life, I need 204 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: to be really careful. I'm really prone to panic attacks 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: if that happens. And so I can kind of develop 206 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: like a little protocol for myself if I'm moving and 207 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: going through a breakup or something like that, because I know, 208 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, it's gonna be triggy. 209 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: I knew what she was talking about. 210 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, Yes, we know what that's like 211 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: to have more than one. 212 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 3: It's very dramatic. 213 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: Nah. My pastor used to always say in that twelve 214 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: month period, a person can't have more than five of 215 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 2: those or you are clinically going insane, like you need help. 216 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: And yes, it's it's a lot. I recognize it. When 217 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: you said it. Oh yeah, we. 218 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: Were like, oh that hits that reads. Yeah. And for me, 219 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 3: like when you run too many strains and if I 220 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: don't have a safe person with me, I'm fifty one 221 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: years old, I'm like, no, I need a human binkie, 222 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: What's what's coming with me? 223 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: Both of my daughters still have their baby blankets. I 224 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: don't know what that says, but they need They actually 225 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: use them when they're feeling stressed. It absolutely works for them. 226 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. That's why I never knew that about 227 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: panic attacks. I just do something really valuable. 228 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: Isn't it a shame that we all have brains, just 229 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: like we have teeth? We all know dental hygiene. I 230 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: don't feel embarrassed that I've gotten black and I f loss, Like, 231 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: why are we embarrassed? We have brains and we need 232 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 3: mental health hygiene, and like, why aren't we taught like 233 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: what a panic attack is? Like it just blows my 234 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: mind that information isn't out there. 235 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 2: Are we doing much better about that? We feel like, 236 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: and we like to say we're doing better in the 237 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: mental health conversation, But are we doing better? 238 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 3: That's an interesting topic. We're doing worse than ever, sadly, 239 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: Like the stats around mental health are really abysmal, and 240 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: so these types of tools are really needed. The great 241 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 3: thing about not doing good is you know you need help, 242 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: and so I think it's a great time to help people. 243 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: People are in pain, people are struggling, And when people 244 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 3: are struggling, they will tend to go through adopting something new, 245 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: trying something new they may not have tried before. And 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: then I think there's actually a real conversation to be 247 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: had around the modern health mental health movement. I have 248 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: a fear personally. I think that our spiritual practices and 249 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: our self growth practices should make us grittier and more 250 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: resilient and less precious. It should make us more capable. 251 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: And I do worry sometimes that the way the mental 252 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 3: health conversation can be had actually makes us more precious 253 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: and more fragile, you know. And so I would just 254 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: encourage anybody to just pay attention to is are the 255 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 3: practices you're enveloping in your life making you grittier? Because 256 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: we're built to handle stress. Actually, we're built for this, 257 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: you know, So it should make us more resilient. 258 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: I love that you just said that, because I think 259 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: when people say things like you just triggered me again, 260 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: you're giving away your power. You're saying you need to 261 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: change your behavior so I feel safe. Yeah, And I 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: think people start to believe that instead of realizing you 263 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: actually have the power. The power is from within and 264 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: you can acknowledge a trigger, but then you have to 265 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: get curious, why do I feel that way? Instead of 266 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: why did that person do that to me? 267 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? And I look at it like an economy, Like 268 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: I can't invest my emotional energy, my emotional resources in 269 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: a place I have zero control. You know, I actually 270 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: shouldn't be investing it in myself because I do have 271 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 3: the ability to influence my own decisions. And so you know, 272 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: I got triggered by that. And what am I willing 273 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: to do about that? Am I going to stay away 274 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: from Sally? 275 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: You know? 276 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: Because every time I'm around her I feel terrible? This 277 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: is a hypothetical, Sally. 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: I know people are going through your lyrics right now. 279 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: Yes, Sally? 280 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? And am I willing to stay away from that relationship? 281 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 3: You know? What? It's about a self responsibility? 282 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: Wow, we don't practice that most of us humans, right, 283 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: We're all about wanting to blame the other person. And 284 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,959 Speaker 1: also just this, I feel like there's this voyeurism out 285 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: there now where we just want to see someone else's 286 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: life that's messier than ours. So we feel better about 287 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: hours that we don't have to fix hours because ours 288 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: isn't as bad as theirs. 289 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of that's just because the 290 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: idea of change is so overwhelming. I mean, where do 291 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 3: you start. I mean, we're not taught these tools. So 292 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 3: if you feel hopeless that you really actually can break 293 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: down and have steps to changing yourself, A very good 294 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: tactic is to say I don't need to change, they're 295 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: the problem. You know, I get it. 296 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: Last thing I did want to ask you actually on 297 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: that point, there are a lot of people who are 298 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: under assault to a certain degree by bills, trying to 299 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: get food on the table, trying to get a kid 300 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: safely to and from school every day. Right, there are 301 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 2: a lot of parents who have so much on their plates, 302 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: and I know you acknowledge that, but for them, for 303 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: just a moment, if there was something you could say 304 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: as a plea, like, I know you got all this 305 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: going on, but why it's still important that they take 306 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: even what first step and making sure they're okay upstairs? 307 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 3: They matter? I mean, overwhelmed parents, you know, you always 308 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: put yourself last. You're trying to care for everybody else, 309 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: and often you are the only you know, you are 310 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: the lynchpin in other people's lives without much safety in it, 311 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: and It is wildly stressful, but you matter. Your happiness 312 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: and your experience matter, and investing in that one friendship 313 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 3: that's safe, calling that one person at night and where 314 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: you can say, I'm shame spiraling, I just yelled at 315 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: my kid or whatever it is. You know, have that 316 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: one person that feels like a safe place, it feels 317 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 3: like a respite. Learning to just stop and a lot 318 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: of it. That's why I really am science focused. But 319 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: in five breaths, you can get yourself off of fight 320 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 3: or flight and into pair sympathetic nervous system. By breaths. 321 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: You have five breaths. Everybody has five breaths, you know, 322 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: and so investing that as self care is really important. 323 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 3: But if you weren't raised with somebody caring for you, 324 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: it's very hard to establish the habit of caring for yourself. 325 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: It's not comfortable. But there's a simple, free thing that 326 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 3: you can do, and everybody's worth it. 327 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: I love that. I still am kind of reeling about 328 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: the ice or something to actually physically. You know, we 329 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: all put it to mental, but a brain is an organ. 330 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: A brain is physical, and that concept of doing something 331 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: physical to change your brain chemistry and that moment is 332 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: really remarkable in terms of other things that are available. 333 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: They are free. How much does exercise play a role 334 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: in your life? And do you lean on anything else 335 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: physical to try and help with the mental. 336 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I really look at mental health as like an ecosystem. Know, 337 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: I don't get to choose how life changes. I only 338 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 3: get to choose how it changes me. And I realized 339 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: somewhere along the line that I think I was engaging 340 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: and like healing as of elegant form of control. I 341 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: thought maybe if I healed perfectly, I would never have 342 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: anything bad happen to me again. And so I had 343 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: to come to terms with the fact that, you know, 344 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: life is destined to break all of our hearts. It's 345 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: what we do with those pieces that make us extraordinary, 346 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: and we have to live with the vulnerability of the 347 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 3: fact that bad things are still going to happen in 348 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 3: our lives. That doesn't mean you're mentally unhealthy. Like you 349 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: should be sad when something sad happens, you know, that's health. 350 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 3: You should be stressed when something stressful happens. It's about 351 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: how quickly can you come back to regulation. That really 352 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 3: is a sign of health. I forget your question. I 353 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 3: got was. 354 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: No, but it's all so fascinating. But I was asking 355 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: about the role of exercise. Oh yeah, because I do 356 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: think that is something that is available to everyone. But 357 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: sometimes it's the last thing you want to do when 358 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,719 Speaker 1: you feel stressed, or when you're in a shame spiral 359 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: or having a panic attack. 360 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I love to have many, many tools for 361 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 3: any given problem. So like for a panic attack, ice 362 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: cubes works, peppermint will scent, that type of strong scent 363 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: will work. Reading something sometimes ice cubes don't work. Sometimes 364 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 3: forcing myself to read works. So you want multiple tools 365 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: if you can to handle a problem. Exercise is an 366 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: amazing tool to have in your arsenal. Cold showers are 367 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 3: really good to have because that stops ruminating thoughts. So 368 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: we want to arm ourselves with a multitude, you know, 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 3: of tools, because at different times you're gonna have to 370 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: experiment and see what works. 371 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: That's very cool, And you just mentioned something the spiraling thoughts, 372 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: and you know we have you know, we have immersed 373 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: ourselves in reading a lot of self help books, a 374 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: lot of philosophers. But what is your go to and 375 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: where are you in that journey with not you don't 376 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: want to control your thoughts, but managing them or recognizing them, 377 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: acknowledging them, and and shifting gears. That's I think one 378 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: of the toughest things for a lot of us is 379 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: just not getting into that negative thought pattern, or at 380 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: least recognizing it. 381 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the number one most important thing we 382 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: can invest in is cultivating awareness, learning in real time 383 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 3: to be consciously present. I mean, the word mindful of 384 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: such a weird word to me. It just means being 385 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 3: consciously present. I'm able to be consciously present, and that 386 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: puts me in a position to respond to my life 387 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 3: in a healthy way, hopefully. And so it's noticing I'm 388 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: getting agitated earlier and earlier and earlier. 389 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: You know. 390 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: I used to wake up after a panic attack and 391 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: then I sort of have awareness during it, and then 392 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: I'd start to notice it was coming on, but I 393 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 3: couldn't stop it. And I finally cultivated enough awareness to 394 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 3: go I am starting to feel triggered in enough time 395 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: that I can actually intervene. So I think raised learning 396 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 3: to like invest in being present is probably the safest 397 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 3: position we can be, and that's how to give yourself 398 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: a emotional safety. 399 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, how many hours of sleep do you get to night. 400 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm the worst sleeper. That's really where 401 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 3: my anxiety like manifest at night. I get like I rock, 402 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 3: I like I totally justsregulate, like right before bed. I 403 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 3: don't know why I've been this way in my whole life. 404 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: I've really been working on sleep, you know, to take 405 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: it really seriously into like I have to shut down, 406 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: like really really at night, Like I have to shut 407 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: everything down by like no text after five O. My 408 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: life down by around seven, so that oh, by ten, 409 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 3: my nervous system's going to cooperate with them. Yeah. 410 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: The other night, we were working all the way until 411 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: eight pm. We try to go to bed around eight 412 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: thirty nine, and I was I had insomnia the entire night. 413 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: I was like, I know it was because we were 414 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: on our computers engaged. My brain was firing until eight pm. 415 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: It was no bueno. So I know, I was like, 416 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: I have got to make a better boundary there in 417 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: my life about shutting things down because your brain is 418 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: still going and you can't turn it off. 419 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're metabolizing our thoughts, you know. Our thoughts have 420 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: a neural chemical reaction or body It is either excitatory 421 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: or calming neural chemicals one of those two things. You know, 422 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: all of our experiences are giving us neuro chemical experiences 423 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 3: that our body has to deal with. It's so interconnected. 424 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 3: So like another tool that's really helped me as I've 425 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: learned to look at my anxiety as an ally the 426 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 3: same way like if I ate bad chicken and I 427 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 3: got food poisoning me, throwing up isn't the problem me 428 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 3: learning to not eat bad chicken is the problem. And 429 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 3: so your anxiety is sort of like it's a side 430 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 3: effect of consuming a thought, a feeling, or an action 431 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: that doesn't agree with you. And so I learned to 432 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: make my anxiety was like my best friend. I realized. 433 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this is how I'm going to 434 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 3: know what I'm consuming that doesn't agree with me. And 435 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 3: it became like a map for me, and I stopped 436 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 3: trying to push it away and instead would get really 437 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: curious and be like, Okay, what was I just thinking? 438 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: What was I just feeling? What was I just doing? 439 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: That is really really cool. How much does music play 440 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: in your life now? Today? 441 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: I write for myself all the time. I don't tour. 442 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 3: I've never touring is hard for me you know, you 443 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 3: talk about like anxiety and not sleeping, and you put 444 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: me on like a moving vehicle all night long. That's 445 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 3: rattling down the road. It's like a recipe for disaster. Sadly, 446 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: for me, my career would have been very different if 447 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: I could sleep on the tour bus. But for me, 448 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: writing has always been my medicine, you know, whether it's 449 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 3: songs or poems or whatever, just reflections. I write a 450 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 3: lot and I paint a lot, like I'm doing a 451 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: lot of visual art now and it's very uh yeah, 452 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 3: it's healing. Arts are healing. 453 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: And do you have I know you you've already reached 454 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: the pinnacle of fame, and we already discussed what that 455 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: was like. What do you do you have specific goals 456 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: not just about obviously, not just about like fame or 457 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: any sort of monetary reward, but what are your goals 458 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: going forward now? Even from a from a work life standpoint, 459 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: what do you have in mind? 460 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: You know, the beginning of my career, I was very 461 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: very lucky to do something I loved at a high level, 462 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 3: and I did it from a state of depletion and 463 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 3: exhaustion and trauma, and so getting to be fifty and 464 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 3: engage with art and see what I'm capable of, Like 465 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 3: I'm doing a lot of sculpture and visual art, and 466 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 3: to challenge myself to get a certain level of work 467 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: out of myself, but doing it from a place of 468 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 3: fullness and a place of rest. It's really a privilege. 469 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 3: You know, very few people get the chance to have 470 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 3: a do over in their life, if you will, and 471 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: I think that's really you know, healing is hard work, 472 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: but it puts you in a position to have a 473 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: different life, and that's really an amazing thing. 474 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: You seem really at peace and you seem really joyful. 475 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: That's the goal, right. 476 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 3: It is the goal. Yeah, And it's it's interesting because 477 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 3: you can't get happy, you know, when you're unhappy, you 478 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: can't just get happy. You can choose to do things 479 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: that do bring you joy, and that's an actionable thing. 480 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: I love that. 481 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: So empowering. And this has been such a well, this 482 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: has been an education in a conversation for both of 483 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: us and hopefully for everyone listening. So thank you for 484 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: all the work you do in this field. And I 485 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: mean you've lived it. You don't just talk it, you 486 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: walk it, and we appreciate I mean, I want to 487 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: go back and listen to this podcast so I can 488 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: take notes this time, because I wanted to really be 489 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: engaged and listen to you. But you had so many 490 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: incredible things to say, and just you're a beautiful soul. 491 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, thank you for being on 492 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: the podcast, and thank you for everything you do. 493 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: It'd be so fun if I can get I don't 494 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: know if you guys did travel ever, but if we're 495 00:24:55,600 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 3: doing the summit in Vegas, the Mental Health Summit, I 496 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: find that, like in philanthropy, there's so many silos and 497 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 3: not everybody knows what everybody else is doing. I just 498 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 3: heard an incredible talk about the effect that how depression 499 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: can be passed through bacteria, so like kissing can actually 500 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 3: like if you're kissing a depressed person, they're learning. I know, 501 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: isn't that crazy? 502 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: So much is making sense now, That's why I feel 503 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 2: bad every time. 504 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: Anyway, there's really interesting things where we're learning, even just 505 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,239 Speaker 3: like with limes disease and certain viral and you know 506 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 3: immune responses are affecting mental health and that it isn't 507 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 3: just in your mind, it's this very physiological thing. And 508 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: so the summit's designed to bring leaders who are working 509 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: in these really specific, very innovative areas together so that 510 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 3: we can learn to help us be better advocates for ourselves. 511 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 3: And then the awards show is it's just shaping up 512 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: really well. It's a lot of really amazing entertainers and 513 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: it's nicely able to honor people that care about the 514 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 3: space and are working hard in it. 515 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: You had us at Vegas. Chill us an absolute pleasure, 516 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: haven't you, and we hope to see you very soon, 517 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: maybe out in the Nevada desert.