Speaker 1: This episode of Busting with the Boys. The Boys is
Speaker 1: presented by Barstool Sports. All right, we're busting with the boys.
Speaker 1: There's no real there we go. I see the excitement
Speaker 1: back there. We don't have We don't really do many
Speaker 1: like just straight in like intros. See, we don't gotta
Speaker 1: wait for me to be like, Okay, this is busting
Speaker 1: with the boys. You do this, blah blah blah. Have
Speaker 1: you listened to us?
Speaker 2: I love I love love the pod. Dude.
Speaker 1: Let's go, hey boys, there we go with some energy.
Speaker 2: I was the delaining one, was the one that got
Speaker 2: me hooked. So oh that was our first one. That
Speaker 2: was just just that dude. Is he not like that's
Speaker 2: awesome because you see him around town, like he'll go
Speaker 2: out to dinner and have like his people and like
Speaker 2: I so you see that dude out. I've seen him
Speaker 2: like at Red Door, and I've seen him at like
Speaker 2: on the you know East Side.
Speaker 1: Was that Ernest? Is that Ernest?
Speaker 2: We got Ernest?
Speaker 1: Ernest? Ernest Keith always call him know he's about to
Speaker 1: crash the pod in this case Smith, but this is
Speaker 1: gonna be a great pod. We got Ryan Hurd, We
Speaker 1: got Ernest about the crash. We got country music all
Speaker 1: over the place. You have something, you have something coming
Speaker 1: out soon, don't you. Yeah, man, I have an EP
Speaker 1: coming out on on Friday. So that's the I don't
Speaker 1: know what I am lost on dates and days, but yeah,
Speaker 1: whenever this comes out, we don't know.
Speaker 2: Yet twenty sixth of June, so that when it is Friday,
Speaker 2: two days now.
Speaker 1: Explain this is gonna be a stupid question. Explain to
Speaker 1: me what EP means, Like, why is that so?
Speaker 2: EP is?
Speaker 1: Album?
Speaker 2: Is all right? In music back in the day when
Speaker 2: you were making records, you'd have like forty fives and
Speaker 2: you'd have like thirty threes and seventy eight's, but they abbreviated,
Speaker 2: uh EP. It means extended play, but for some reason
Speaker 2: we use it to say a shorter album. So basically
Speaker 2: EP is usually like a four, five, six song record
Speaker 2: that you put out and you know, because you know,
Speaker 2: it takes, you know, so much of a marketing push
Speaker 2: to put out like a full like twelve song album
Speaker 2: and just it's really expensive to do it. A lot
Speaker 2: of times newer artists like me put out, you know,
Speaker 2: a four or five song collection just to like get
Speaker 2: new mus out there. And to like build a brand
Speaker 2: and to build a fan base. But this one's different
Speaker 2: because I've put out like three original ones, but this
Speaker 2: one is like kind of B sides and alternate versions
Speaker 2: of songs because I when I got to Nashville, I
Speaker 2: went to college at Belmont, but I started writing songs
Speaker 2: for other people. So that's been my job here for
Speaker 2: eight years, nine years now. And then I've along the
Speaker 2: way gotten a record deal and started like pushing my
Speaker 2: own music out at the same time. But this EP
Speaker 2: that comes out on Friday is songs that I've written
Speaker 2: for other people with my voice on them.
Speaker 1: So songs that So you're saying, you've already written these
Speaker 1: songs for other people and they've already been put out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now they're going to be in your voice because
Speaker 1: you wrote them.
Speaker 2: Sure, they're like hits I've written for other people. And
Speaker 2: then a live version of a song that is on
Speaker 2: one of my records called Wish for the World is
Speaker 2: on there. And then it's just all recordings of songs
Speaker 2: I've written for other people.
Speaker 1: So we'll back up to you said nine years ago
Speaker 1: you started writing in Nashville, So when you're writing songs
Speaker 1: for other people, and then you start getting your own gigs.
Speaker 1: How are you implementing yourself as you're writing songs for
Speaker 1: other people and all this is just killer? Are you
Speaker 1: kind of like a could I sing it?
Speaker 2: Maybe? I don't know. Man, it's so hard to get
Speaker 2: your song recorded by somebody else that you sort of
Speaker 2: when it happens, it's just a massive victory. So I
Speaker 2: look at what I do in Nashville, it's like two
Speaker 2: different shoes. It's like I got a right foot in
Speaker 2: the left foot, and I can't really imagine doing one
Speaker 2: without the other. Because like a lot of people have
Speaker 2: found out about me as a as an artist because
Speaker 2: of the songs I've written for other people. And then
Speaker 2: on the other side of that, a lot of artists
Speaker 2: that I've toured with and stuff have I've had a
Speaker 2: lot of opportunities to like write with and for them
Speaker 2: because they've you know, seen me as an artist and liked,
Speaker 2: like to a tea or something that I've put out
Speaker 2: like on my own name. So they sort of like
Speaker 2: feed each other like weirdly like separate businesses, but they
Speaker 2: are really complimentary.
Speaker 1: So were you was your goal when you were starting
Speaker 1: to like obviously be a musician a singer where you
Speaker 1: are now? But when you're writing at first, or is
Speaker 1: that something that you're just separating the entire time, Like
Speaker 1: you weren't expecting somebody to be like, hey, you seem
Speaker 1: like you got a nice voice?
Speaker 2: Now? Was the other way around? I wanted to be
Speaker 2: a writer because I just think it's the coolest job
Speaker 2: in the world. Man, Oh really, Yeah. I wanted to
Speaker 2: write songs because when I got here, I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's people who just write the songs.
Speaker 2: They don't have to tour, they don't have to And
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I didn't like find my singing voice really
Speaker 2: until I was like a couple of years into my writing,
Speaker 2: I don't think, because it's mostly like singing is just
Speaker 2: about style. Yeah, I mean some people can rip. Like
Speaker 2: my wife is Maren Morris, and she's just like obviously a.
Speaker 1: Very yeah, she's like that, she's like the stud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she can sing. She's got like one of those
Speaker 2: voices that's like, well that's not normal. That's but for
Speaker 2: guys like me most I think most people who work
Speaker 2: in country music, it's like you sort of are more
Speaker 2: of a stylist than a vocalist. Half the time. So like,
Speaker 2: I didn't find that until I had written some songs
Speaker 2: for other people, and like people started sort of copying
Speaker 2: my voice on their records. And that's when I started
Speaker 2: getting looks from like record companies. And I actually said
Speaker 2: no a couple of times. It's like, man, I just
Speaker 2: want to this is getting rolling for me. I just
Speaker 2: want to write stay home. And then so you prefer
Speaker 2: being the writer. Well then eventually I was like, ah,
Speaker 2: I gotta try this. Yeah, I don't know, it's cool, man,
Speaker 2: it's hard. I mean a lot of work being the
Speaker 2: artist on that. Like it's the artist part is like
Speaker 2: ninety percent not music, like all.
Speaker 1: This stuff that goes in behind somebody.
Speaker 2: It's not like you're going to go like like I
Speaker 2: don't know, there's not a whole lot of music that
Speaker 2: goes on. It's mostly like doing busting with the boys,
Speaker 2: but not that fun. Yeah, that makes sense. You're doing
Speaker 2: a whole lot of press, and you're doing a whole
Speaker 2: lot of like just work with radio stations. But it's
Speaker 2: mostly just like riding on a bus waiting around to play,
Speaker 2: you know. That's what being an artist is, and then
Speaker 2: doing all the press and all this stuff. Around it.
Speaker 2: But when you're a writer, you're one hundred percent creative
Speaker 2: all the time. And that's the coolest part about that,
Speaker 2: and that's you know you do. You don't get like
Speaker 2: the glory of it. You know, you don't like have
Speaker 2: like two thousand people screaming your song back back at
Speaker 2: you when you're the writer. But you get a lot
Speaker 2: of respect in town, and you get obviously.
Speaker 1: A lot of respect where it matters the most.
Speaker 2: Sure from like those artists and those people in town
Speaker 2: that really respect it. And there's a whole like songwriting
Speaker 2: community that's really special. And so I'm really lucky to
Speaker 2: get to do both things. Man, I get to like
Speaker 2: still write songs for other people. I've had a really
Speaker 2: cool year honestly as as a writer, and then had
Speaker 2: my first ever my song to a t went platinum
Speaker 2: like a month ago, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh let's go, we got platinum? Boys, Yeah, Zach, where
Speaker 1: you at, Chase? You got to partake in the clapping?
Speaker 1: I don't know, you get I don't know if you
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: My tour manager Chases here and he's a huge part
Speaker 2: of everything we do. And but then you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's been it's just been a cool sort
Speaker 2: of like this is the balance I've always wanted to
Speaker 2: strike and I find gotten to do that.
Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome, dude. I know, uh, like from the
Speaker 1: outside looking in and you talk to people who like Ernest,
Speaker 1: I know he has a lot of respect for writing
Speaker 1: and people who write, but they were they're not like
Speaker 1: the voice because when you're I guess uh, ignorant too,
Speaker 1: you just think the artist makes this, like they write it,
Speaker 1: they do all this stuff. And then now that since
Speaker 1: I've moved here and you get to talk with people
Speaker 1: like yourself, like Ernest, you realize there's so like a
Speaker 1: lot of those people they just funnel the song and
Speaker 1: they're just kind of the face to to the song
Speaker 1: or to the album.
Speaker 2: Hey man, you need a vehicle, right, you need a bus?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it it's crazy. I know Ernest
Speaker 2: because we have just started writing together, you know, in
Speaker 2: the last year, and he's one of the Honestly, there's
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people who swing a different hammer.
Speaker 2: Like most people you sit down with, you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: we can write a great song. Every it feels like
Speaker 2: everybody's the same amount of talented, and then you meet
Speaker 2: people like arn Or, like Michael Hardy or or Maren honestly, honestly,
Speaker 2: Maren's best songwriter I've ever ever encountered.
Speaker 1: Your wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we started we got we met writing songs,
Speaker 2: so I believe that way before we were actually together.
Speaker 2: But but like there's those dudes that you meet like
Speaker 2: like arn Or, like Hardy or you're just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this guy, this guy.
Speaker 1: Well they kind of separate.
Speaker 2: I guess they just spit brilliance and you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: just recording you. Like that's what I did with Ernest
Speaker 2: when we wrote a Heartless for Diplo and Morgan Wallen,
Speaker 2: and half of that is just like me like with
Speaker 2: my phone, sticking it in front of Ernest and like
Speaker 2: just recording it so that we could go back and
Speaker 2: make sure we had it down like that and that
Speaker 2: I mean, that dude's just a brilliant guy.
Speaker 1: And then you guys are doing that and then you
Speaker 1: kind of give the product to the voice you want
Speaker 1: to match.
Speaker 2: Man, it's so hard. So we each have called publishers.
Speaker 2: They're like record companies for songwriters. They own or they
Speaker 2: are partners with you and in you know your copyright.
Speaker 2: But what they do is they like book your calendar.
Speaker 2: So they're like, you know, yesterday I wrote with with
Speaker 2: Hardy and Monday I wrote with a Buddy Matt and
Speaker 2: Ross Kopperman. But like they book a calendar and then
Speaker 2: they take the songs and the demos that you make
Speaker 2: and they pitch them out to artists and labels, and
Speaker 2: so they're the ones who are supposed to like exploit
Speaker 2: the music and get it recorded. But like, it's just
Speaker 2: funny how songs find a way.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: It's like, uh, they're all like undrafted free agents. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's like how do you like they
Speaker 2: just go through each little step and eventually they like
Speaker 2: a miracle happens. It's like so like oh this sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll send a song to somebody, or I'll write it
Speaker 2: with the artist. And I wrote a song with Kane
Speaker 2: Brown called Worldwide Beautiful, and that's one that just like
Speaker 2: was sort of like a magic like magic, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And some days it's magic, but other
Speaker 2: times it's like the song goes through like this manager
Speaker 2: and then like they show the artist and the artist
Speaker 2: holds it and then they record it and then like
Speaker 2: it's like a series of like ten coin flips all
Speaker 2: coming up heads in order to have a hit on
Speaker 2: the radio. And that's like what we're all going for
Speaker 2: is just to like have those big hits. So but
Speaker 2: publishers help with those ten coin flips.
Speaker 1: Gotcha.
Speaker 2: You're the ones who get like make sure each step
Speaker 2: is they're trying to get the song heard by whoever
Speaker 2: can make decisions to record and put them out.
Speaker 1: So gotcha. So that's that's where the importance of like
Speaker 1: is the publisher kind of the same as the label.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but on the writing side, gotcha, they're Yeah, they're important.
Speaker 1: They're awesome, man, signing with those teams, like when people
Speaker 1: sign deals and stuff, because sometimes you wonder, like if
Speaker 1: somebody's very good at music, why would they sign with
Speaker 1: anybody if they can kind of get it out themselves.
Speaker 1: So that's that's me thinking that not having any idea.
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's easy to do that now and it's ever been.
Speaker 2: And a lot of these dudes who are like a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys who get it moving on their
Speaker 2: own then partner with a label, like they own a
Speaker 2: lot of that stuff. It's like most people the label
Speaker 2: owns a lot of the artists to like do like
Speaker 2: a joint venture with the label, so like it's kind
Speaker 2: of swinging back like in favor of the artists now
Speaker 2: in a cool way because of the way people listen
Speaker 2: to music now, because of the Internet, because of.
Speaker 1: Some more leverages came to the Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we're but uh man, it's a cool time
Speaker 2: to make music, especially in Nashville. Like I everybody feels
Speaker 2: like everybody wants a piece of what we're doing, and
Speaker 2: that's that's really cool. I mean, Maren did the Middle
Speaker 2: with z Diplo made a country record. It feels like
Speaker 2: every country artist is getting like a pop artist to
Speaker 2: like feature on their big hits, Like Gabby Barrot just
Speaker 2: had Charlie Pooth on hers. So it just it feels
Speaker 2: like Nashville is like in a really great spot as
Speaker 2: a genre. And you know, you could always have all
Speaker 2: these people who like love or don't love what's happening
Speaker 2: on music. Row. I just I'm like a head down guy.
Speaker 2: I just put my head down and keep doing my
Speaker 2: thing and don't like read too much about like what's
Speaker 2: country and what's not. But I do love, like I
Speaker 2: do think that we're in a really cool spot as
Speaker 2: a genre and as a just as a creative city,
Speaker 2: because this is the best music town in the world.
Speaker 2: Oh bar none, there's not. It's not even close to
Speaker 2: me as far as like the songwriting community, the proximity
Speaker 2: that everybody has, and just like the overall talent. I
Speaker 2: just it's amazing how much great music is made here,
Speaker 2: whether you've whether it is released or not.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you have much of Like, you know,
Speaker 1: how everybody argues like, oh, this is more country than that,
Speaker 1: and like the old days and the new stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not Sturgil and I know it, and that's okay
Speaker 2: with me. And you know, there's going to be those
Speaker 2: dudes who just want to listen to that stuff and
Speaker 2: that's great and it's not like a I think that's
Speaker 2: absolutely country music, obviously probably more traditional country music than
Speaker 2: what we do. But yeah, you know, that's just so
Speaker 2: funny the way that the internet works. It's just all
Speaker 2: these like genre lines have blended so much. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, I'm not that worried about that conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: I'd love to make like like a really like a
Speaker 2: much more traditional country record at some point, but I've
Speaker 2: sort of gone down this lane now where I get
Speaker 2: to I've sort of created a sound and it's really
Speaker 2: it's created a fan base and I really have enjoyed
Speaker 2: that part of it. And it's not super traditional country
Speaker 2: at all. So I'm just never not going to be that.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to win that one. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: know I'm fine with it.
Speaker 1: What do you enjoy doing more writing or touring and
Speaker 1: kind of doing the whole musician thing.
Speaker 2: I can't. I don't know. Writing is great until you
Speaker 2: get burnt. And so the fun part about being like
Speaker 2: doing both is that I very rarely get like burnt
Speaker 2: out on writing.
Speaker 1: Because when you feel like you're starting to get burned it.
Speaker 2: As much as I used to used to be like
Speaker 2: when you get going, you're writing like five or six
Speaker 2: songs a week and just you run out of ideas
Speaker 2: and sort of get feels like work a little bit
Speaker 2: more like you're trying to force it. Right now, I'm
Speaker 2: writing like two or three a week, and I feel
Speaker 2: like I hit the bulls eye a little bit more. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just because of my mind is fresh and I usually
Speaker 2: have ideas and I'm only writing with people that I love.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying out a whole new bunch of news.
Speaker 2: It's just a cool thing to like feel like I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm in my prime a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like as a creative person. And I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: been cool to uh, it's been cool to like get
Speaker 2: into that spot. But I miss touring, man, I miss
Speaker 2: the people the most. I don't miss airplanes, but I
Speaker 2: miss like my bus. Yeah, we we have a cool crew.
Speaker 2: And miss my boys, and I miss like obviously, like
Speaker 2: we have a really cool road situation and it's like
Speaker 2: we have like a mixed bus. We have girls and
Speaker 2: guys on it. Everybody's working and everybody it's always a
Speaker 2: really like great mood and we just we did it
Speaker 2: like my headline tour. Just I mean the last two
Speaker 2: weeks got canceled because of this ship. But I missed
Speaker 2: that and I miss I miss electric guitars. Yes, I
Speaker 2: miss I missed my people though, That's what I miss.
Speaker 1: Do When when do you get to go on the
Speaker 1: road next?
Speaker 2: Or do you know I'm supposed to play Labor Day weekend?
Speaker 1: Chase, what the hell we'll see? Where are we going?
Speaker 2: Tom? Just Chase is just waiting for the same thing
Speaker 2: I'm waiting on. That's exactly right, waiting for somebody to go.
Speaker 1: You just you just set it up whenever you get
Speaker 1: the green light, exactly Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chase is a tour manager. So anything that has
Speaker 2: to do with moving me from point A to point
Speaker 2: B is Chase's job.
Speaker 1: He doesn't he doesn't set up point A and B.
Speaker 2: No, that's booking agents do that. Uh. I have an
Speaker 2: agent at William Morris who books all of my live performances.
Speaker 2: I wrot the shows. And then you have a manager
Speaker 2: who's sort of like the sea oh oh of what
Speaker 2: you're doing. Yeah, and then there's just so many people involved.
Speaker 2: You have a record company, agent, manager, what else tour manager?
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it dumb to to assume that you
Speaker 1: and your wife, you guys have kind of the same team,
Speaker 1: or do you guys?
Speaker 2: Actually we do have.
Speaker 1: We have the same managers, Okay, And so you guys
Speaker 1: kind of work with like a lot of the same
Speaker 1: people we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And our bands are really close, Like we've
Speaker 2: they all worked really closely together. We've toured together quite
Speaker 2: a bit, played a lot of the same festivals and
Speaker 2: I we were gonna tour this year. I was gonna
Speaker 2: open a handful of her like headline shows because we
Speaker 2: just had a baby, and so that's kind of I
Speaker 2: don't know, I didn't really want to be away from
Speaker 2: him all that much. And she obvious.
Speaker 1: You got a boy, right, what's his name? His name
Speaker 1: is Hayes Andrew. Shout out Hayes Andrew. When when when
Speaker 1: was he? When was he born?
Speaker 2: March twenty third of this year.
Speaker 1: So he's a co he's he's a COVID baby. Well, yeah, pandemic.
Speaker 1: He was born in the pandemic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were. It was like the first week that
Speaker 2: they had like shut the hospital down. It was crazy
Speaker 2: and no visitors, just me and like some people start
Speaker 2: like other places, not here, but like you were hearing
Speaker 2: stories about like like Dad's not being able to go
Speaker 2: because of this stuff. Like I don't know, maybe that happened,
Speaker 2: maybe it didn't, but we were terrified and uh, no visitors,
Speaker 2: which actually, looking back, like that's okay, Like it was
Speaker 2: just kind of cool to like be have your moment
Speaker 2: and then like my parents and her parents came over
Speaker 2: like when we got home. But yeah, it was. It
Speaker 2: was terrifying. Man. It's got like doctors wearing like face
Speaker 2: shields and shit.
Speaker 1: And like, oh my god, this is not knowing how
Speaker 1: serious it.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, yeah, that's it. But it's been it's been cool, man,
Speaker 2: different like we've we've been like really, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like when you do what we do, we
Speaker 2: don't have to ever have to grow up. And and
Speaker 2: so now it's like we can be we still have
Speaker 2: that lifestyle you have to there's this one little thing
Speaker 2: you have to be responsible for it every day. So
Speaker 2: it's a little bit different, but we're we're figured it out.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: The cool part about not being able to tour is
Speaker 2: we get to be home for a second, and I
Speaker 2: would have missed some stuff that I'm glad that I
Speaker 2: had time at home for, Like I would have missed
Speaker 2: He's just like little things, man. You like wake up
Speaker 2: in the morning and you see him and he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, he's bigger. Yeah, And I can't imagine
Speaker 2: like I would have had to do I think three
Speaker 2: weekends now away from them, and I can't imagine like
Speaker 2: coming back after one of those weekends and being like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, like he grew so now. But now
Speaker 2: I see him every day and eventually that's not going
Speaker 2: to be the case. And we're gonna have to go
Speaker 2: back to life as we need it to be. But
Speaker 2: but right now it's cool to be home.
Speaker 1: Now, say you and your wife, you guys tour together.
Speaker 1: Will will the baby like tour with you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Maren has a bus that is like fitted
Speaker 2: outfitted for a baby. So it's like we have like
Speaker 2: our apartment in the back, and then there's like a
Speaker 2: bunk that has a crib in it and a baby
Speaker 2: monitor and a noise machine, and then like the we
Speaker 2: have somebody who like stays next to him and the
Speaker 2: bunk across from him because we have to have help
Speaker 2: out there just because there's so much stuff going on.
Speaker 2: And he goes to bed at seven o'clock and rock
Speaker 2: shows don't start till nine, so we have some help
Speaker 2: out there. And then yeah, man, there's some other stuff
Speaker 2: that she got just that's baby specific.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we have a bus that sounds like a
Speaker 1: bus we need to look into boys, an apartment in
Speaker 1: the back. Yeah, a baby crib for a tailor. Make
Speaker 1: sure keep a monitor on him. He can't do anything
Speaker 1: on his own, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, Dude's Yeah, my bus is just twelve bunks
Speaker 2: and we go. We i'd town to town and have
Speaker 2: a good time. But yeah, no babies on that one yet,
Speaker 2: no dogs or babies.
Speaker 1: It's probably benefits. It's probably a benefit too to touring
Speaker 1: with your wife's because don't people go on the road
Speaker 1: and they're gone for hell. I don't know how long.
Speaker 1: How long is like an average tour.
Speaker 2: I mean we well in Nashville, it's different because we
Speaker 2: can do weekends because we're in the middle of the country.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we usually do like a ten day run
Speaker 2: out west ten to fourteen days like West Coast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we'll do like Maren will do like a
Speaker 2: ten day Europe run a lot like every year every
Speaker 2: other year. But that's basically it. So then we can
Speaker 2: leave most of the time like Wednesday night, play Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: be home Sunday. That's generally the rhythm that people in
Speaker 2: Nashville have except for with the exception of West Coast
Speaker 2: and Europe. And then these people have been playing like
Speaker 2: festivals in Australia too, which is a long way to go.
Speaker 2: So I haven't done that yet, but maybe we will someday.
Speaker 2: That's dope, man.
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Speaker 1: You gotta rock and you gotta a rock and family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it's been cool.
Speaker 1: You guys are kind of like a power family.
Speaker 2: I have a good a good Maaron's just a really
Speaker 2: great partner and really supportive of my music. And it's
Speaker 2: been cool to like watch her become a superstar. And
Speaker 2: you know, I I love my career too. And it's
Speaker 2: they're they're very separate, but very I don't know, they
Speaker 2: just fit together really nicely our lives. It's taken a
Speaker 2: couple of years, but I feel like we have a
Speaker 2: really cool rhythm with uh just being like creative partners
Speaker 2: and because and and actually like having a marriage and
Speaker 2: a kid. It's been, Uh, it's been fun to find
Speaker 2: those balances.
Speaker 1: What are some uh, what are some of the times
Speaker 1: where you guys head butt in the music world, whether
Speaker 1: it be touring, writing with or for each other, like
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Give me a moment where it's
Speaker 1: not all smelling roses.
Speaker 2: We still write together, which is cool. I'm excited that
Speaker 2: she still asked me to write songs with her because
Speaker 2: she's got a really small group now that she trusts
Speaker 2: to be creative with I don't know, like creatively, I
Speaker 2: kind of just am there when it's always time. It's
Speaker 2: always just about time and like when just calendar stuff.
Speaker 2: And that's why we have the same manager is like
Speaker 2: those those like frictions are minimized when you have one
Speaker 2: person managing both of our time. Yeah, but like it's
Speaker 2: always like just getting on the same page time wise.
Speaker 1: Have either of you have ever said that's a stupid lyric.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've said it like that to each other.
Speaker 2: I say that to it. I would say it to
Speaker 2: someone like Earn be like, no, that's not it. But
Speaker 2: I say it about myself more than anything. Usually I'm like,
Speaker 2: you'll say somebody like that's not right. Yeah, but uh yeah, man,
Speaker 2: that we that she's just a fantastic songwriter. And that's
Speaker 2: like where it all starts with everybody is like getting
Speaker 2: good songs, whether you write them or you find them,
Speaker 2: like that always is the most important thing because that's
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why people buy ticket is to hear
Speaker 2: that song that they love.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, me and Ern are sort of in the
Speaker 2: same boat where it's like we we have a lot
Speaker 2: of ship moving as writers. Right now, we're both trying
Speaker 2: to get like over that hump as you where is
Speaker 2: he's out there drinking beer in the parking lot and
Speaker 2: he didn't get him and he didn't bring me one.
Speaker 1: This could be a good conversation about the writing world
Speaker 1: because they've written, they wrote together.
Speaker 2: We're in the same boat where it's like we're both
Speaker 2: just looking at each other, like how fuck do you
Speaker 2: get on the radio?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what's one of your favorite memories on the road?
Speaker 2: What do you think favorite memories?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: See, like I my rhythm is like I wake up
Speaker 2: and then you like work out because there's like no
Speaker 2: like you just wake up and then you tell you
Speaker 2: at night, like nine o'clock at night, so you work out,
Speaker 2: eat lunch. But like I can't party until the show's
Speaker 2: over for the most part, So like I just remember
Speaker 2: this whole tour we just did. Like I'd come back
Speaker 2: to the bus and my band has worked all day
Speaker 2: and I'd want to party and they'd be like too tire.
Speaker 2: They just go to bed, and I'm like, what are we?
Speaker 2: What is this? So I I just remember, like nobody
Speaker 2: wants to party anymore. But I don't know. I've had
Speaker 2: a I've I've been on the road with like FGL
Speaker 2: and Thomas Rhett, who's.
Speaker 1: Been the most fun to be on the road with. Hey,
Speaker 1: keep keep keep name dropping too. Rattle that list off
Speaker 1: again so we can find a winner.
Speaker 2: I've been on the road with tr FGL, Chase Rice
Speaker 2: just like as like part of their packages. Hey, buddy,
Speaker 2: how are you sorry?
Speaker 4: What ready to go?
Speaker 2: Did you bring me a beer?
Speaker 4: I drink too and I locked my car. I can
Speaker 4: get you you want a Corona, but this is a
Speaker 4: Budweiser bus.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: What kind of we aren't we are? We aren't sponsored
Speaker 1: by him though, so you can could we can talk
Speaker 1: about whatever.
Speaker 2: I was sponsored by Corona for a while. It was fun.
Speaker 2: One of the coolest moments was like pulling up into
Speaker 2: the driveway and there was a palette of Corona there.
Speaker 2: It was like twenty five cases of Corona in bottles
Speaker 2: and we drank like four or five in two days,
Speaker 2: but maybe more but cases. But yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: that was one of my biggest flexs on That was
Speaker 2: my That was my biggest flex was was was twenty
Speaker 2: five or thirty cases of Corona just sitting there.
Speaker 3: That's amazing of it I.
Speaker 2: Should have.
Speaker 1: The pot. His cigarette is out and he is on
Speaker 1: the pot.
Speaker 3: We're here.
Speaker 1: We were just talking to him the question we had
Speaker 1: his favorite memories on UH on the Road, and I
Speaker 1: think his list was Chase, Rice, Thomas Rhett if I
Speaker 1: had the most.
Speaker 2: Fun on the Chase Tour because that's just the wildest one.
Speaker 2: TR was fun because it was all everybody doing the
Speaker 2: for the first time, like tr headlining for the first time,
Speaker 2: Kelsey Ballerini's first time playing arenas, and then me and
Speaker 2: Russell Dickerson were just the first time doing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we were stoked. I like doing obviously like doing
Speaker 2: my own show the most because.
Speaker 3: You get to run the show, fucking yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your Chase. Seems like a good time. We
Speaker 1: got to interview him the virtual stuff, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: seems like a fun time.
Speaker 2: The first night ever on the Chase Tour, we're playing
Speaker 2: have you played Kegs and Jordan, New York the Syracuse
Speaker 2: you will. It's just like it's the middle of nowhere
Speaker 2: if they call it like the Syracuse market, but I
Speaker 2: don't even think it's close to Syracuse, And it's the
Speaker 2: only thing in the town is this little dive venue
Speaker 2: and they have a uh the stage is plywood and
Speaker 2: there's like Chase draws like two thousand people. I don't know,
Speaker 2: uh would There's tons of people there and and I
Speaker 2: like show up and I'm about to play, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, like the tour manager John gets like
Speaker 2: I like to see him get punched in the head.
Speaker 2: Like some dude like walked up to Chase his bus
Speaker 2: and started like taking a leak on his bus and
Speaker 2: John like goes over to like get the security guard
Speaker 2: and get this dude kicked out, and the dude just
Speaker 2: whips around and like just punches him in the head.
Speaker 2: And so like, who punched you in the head? The
Speaker 2: guy who beat on his.
Speaker 3: Bus punched the tour manager in the head?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the side of the head.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: John Lasard is reaching over the security guards and has
Speaker 2: got this dude by the beard. It's just shaking him
Speaker 2: by the beard.
Speaker 3: Oh no, but uh it.
Speaker 2: Was that was my first night on the Chase Rice tour.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that was your first night, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the bar.
Speaker 2: It was like my third show ever.
Speaker 1: And he cheems like people don't like you.
Speaker 3: No, it was just some people get rowdy around you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. That was the rowdiest tour I've ever
Speaker 2: been on, and it was my first one. It was
Speaker 2: on my third show ever, and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, what am I doing? But uh, that was fun.
Speaker 2: That was like one of those days where you're like
Speaker 2: one of those tours, are like not sure how the
Speaker 2: we had like a sprinter van. You're not like sure
Speaker 2: how that thing got from city to city? Right, don't
Speaker 2: really remember?
Speaker 3: Did you have to drive?
Speaker 2: Not much?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always drove like coming home because like I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I was not about like taking our time to get home.
Speaker 2: So I was like I will go, I will we
Speaker 2: are going home.
Speaker 1: Yes, So so you guys won't have like a bus
Speaker 1: driver every time, like sometimes they'll just be.
Speaker 3: Well now I do, but early on when you can't
Speaker 3: afford a bus, you take van.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Buses are ridiculous, like ten grand for the weekend at least.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh old Dominion. That was a great.
Speaker 3: Tour to be Those are fun guys, fun dudes I had. Yeah,
Speaker 3: those are fun guys.
Speaker 2: I forgot I did that at the end of last
Speaker 2: year as the last tour I was on. That was.
Speaker 2: That's a great they have a great Uh fan base
Speaker 2: for someone like me, like they're they're fans, and my
Speaker 2: fans are like, I feel like there's a.
Speaker 6: Lot of a lot of car over crossover overlap, So
Speaker 6: why why is that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just think that just the type
Speaker 2: of music we both make.
Speaker 1: It it's not it's not too redneck.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I know I have a mullet, but
Speaker 3: I'm not the most redneck.
Speaker 1: I was telling him, like, are you swing a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways? He was actually complimenting earlier, saying there's
Speaker 1: not many. There's not many people who swing a different
Speaker 1: hammer all the time.
Speaker 3: Wasn't quite ready for that, I guess in your seat? Sorry, Pops,
Speaker 3: do I need to get up?
Speaker 7: Or Taylor Wells kind of glued to my seat?
Speaker 3: So sorry?
Speaker 2: Do you want to share this microphone?
Speaker 1: Similar we were talking about yesterday with like sports and
Speaker 1: everything else you have, like ninety percent of the league
Speaker 1: is kind of the same and then there's some unicorns.
Speaker 2: Actually, someone's sitting over there right now.
Speaker 1: You are You are too, well, Taylor, Taylor is.
Speaker 4: This is definitely play more talented than.
Speaker 1: In the football.
Speaker 2: Songwriters. Who are you meet songwriters? They are all kind
Speaker 2: of the same amount of talent. And then you get
Speaker 2: in the room with guys like like Michael and Iarn
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh my god, this guy's I would
Speaker 2: never say this to your face.
Speaker 3: Well don't.
Speaker 7: This guy.
Speaker 2: This guy's hands down more talented than everybody else. It's
Speaker 2: like the guys that can just like spit out a
Speaker 2: second verse in like one second, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's it and we don't have to change anything, Like,
Speaker 2: not a lot of people can just like, actually, there's
Speaker 2: not even a lot of people I think that can
Speaker 2: write lyrics. To be honest, I think that. I don't
Speaker 2: mean that in a world full of songwriters, that's pretty heavy.
Speaker 2: I think that's like, I think that's the most challenging
Speaker 2: thing for most people. And then like when when you
Speaker 2: meet people who are it comes like very effortless, like
Speaker 2: you or Michael, It's like, damn, that's the special Eric Pasley.
Speaker 2: Do you guys know who Eric Pasley is. He's another
Speaker 2: dude like that that you might not think of. That's like,
Speaker 2: it's it's just effortless. So that was my compliment for
Speaker 2: you earlier.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, damn glad I got to hear that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll never give you another one.
Speaker 3: That's fine. Now, that'll hold me over that.
Speaker 1: You guys seem like you're in similar lanes where you
Speaker 1: started out and kind of writing, and you're known and
Speaker 1: well respected for all the writing, and now you're both
Speaker 1: kind of touring and doing your music thing. You were
Speaker 1: talking about that earlier about how he kind of got
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to get to get off the the earnest. But
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the EP thing. He
Speaker 1: was explaining what EP was, and would you say, what
Speaker 1: does E P mean?
Speaker 2: I mean he's stended play. But it's fucked up because it's.
Speaker 1: Extended playlist, but it's a shorter album.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not extended.
Speaker 4: I thought, I'm an executive producer.
Speaker 1: I thought, so, does hear episode.
Speaker 4: EPs on like TV shows or songs?
Speaker 3: Yes, you get that paper because yes, because you're the
Speaker 3: executive producer.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: When we walked away from your podcast yesterday, I'm speaking
Speaker 7: very loudly because.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's okay, that's okay right now.
Speaker 7: When I talk about, I want to EP on your
Speaker 7: next album, so I want to I want to get in.
Speaker 4: That do it known as a songwriter.
Speaker 3: Do it, get Dereck Henry on my on my project.
Speaker 3: If you want to be known as a.
Speaker 1: Songwriter, you got to write the songs.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: You can executive produce and not know anything about music.
Speaker 1: People do it all the time.
Speaker 7: Song But if let's say the four of us are
Speaker 7: sitting in a room and we wrote a song right now,
Speaker 7: and I said one word that made it in that song.
Speaker 4: You don't say a word, right, you just get credit
Speaker 4: for right.
Speaker 3: Yes, dude, if we if me and Ryan wrote a
Speaker 3: song right now.
Speaker 4: And y'all here, Taylor and Will and Taylor y'all.
Speaker 3: Y'all it is Will and Taylor because y'all are the room.
Speaker 3: Actually it's a one, two, three, four, five six.
Speaker 1: We don't have to give them credit there, you do
Speaker 1: because they're in the room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Nashville.
Speaker 2: I think we could argue that that that that half
Speaker 2: of the room doesn't need credit for the song. We
Speaker 2: could argue that, but it would be literally split. You
Speaker 2: get twenty five twenty five twenty five twenty five if
Speaker 2: you do it in La, though, or New York is
Speaker 2: different because they would go.
Speaker 4: I'll give you four percent of mind twenty five.
Speaker 2: But you would get if you were in LA, they
Speaker 2: would like start arguing.
Speaker 1: Over like they're keeping but get that mic closer.
Speaker 2: They would argue about like who who wrote what, and
Speaker 2: like how much you each deserved? Yeah, and so like
Speaker 2: you would like all those A lot of those songs
Speaker 2: go into dispute, so nobody gets paid until the dispute
Speaker 2: is settled because some guys like, well I deserve more
Speaker 2: than four percent because I moved this mic cable or something.
Speaker 3: And they hold up everybody's pay In Nashville, you feel
Speaker 3: like it's different than Nashville.
Speaker 2: Pretty much just cut and dry, the only thing you
Speaker 2: run into in Nashville is like if somebody potentially like
Speaker 2: if you are on top of somebody else's song, you
Speaker 2: might have to give them some credit. Like Brett Eldridge
Speaker 2: when he did that Crazy song, he had that Celo
Speaker 2: Green like Crazy, he had literally like the the hook
Speaker 2: to Crazy, and so he had to give credit that
Speaker 2: those writers had to give credit to all the people
Speaker 2: who wrote Crazy. And I'm sure it wasn't like an
Speaker 2: equal split, but like sometimes you have to do that.
Speaker 2: But other than that, like it's just we split it
Speaker 2: all down the middle here or equally than la oh yeah,
Speaker 2: because I mean it's just if you.
Speaker 7: Wrote song, well, me, Will and Ernest had a thumb
Speaker 7: up brasses the whole time in the morning.
Speaker 1: That's so I'm saying Taylor and I were just sitting
Speaker 1: here and you guys walked out like, well, even it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great.
Speaker 4: Song, number one song because you've had four or five
Speaker 4: number one songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would say two things to that. I
Speaker 2: would say you because when we wrote Heartless, I was
Speaker 2: the dude I walked in and he started just it
Speaker 2: fell out of him and I just had my phone
Speaker 2: being like no, you got to say that again exactly
Speaker 2: like that, and you need that guy to be like
Speaker 2: definitely the editor right sometimes, And then i'd also say
Speaker 2: that if it's truly like I did ninety five percent
Speaker 2: of it and it was a huge hit, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm just not gonna do it again. You know, all
Speaker 2: your people be like, we gotta get this crew back together,
Speaker 2: and I'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, no, but the crew is technically already together.
Speaker 2: That's what I would That's yeah, So that's the fall
Speaker 2: figures itself out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you like being a songwriter? Do they be a
Speaker 4: performer better?
Speaker 2: Is that one of them? They're different? I like being
Speaker 2: a songwriter. That question, it's music all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he let him elaborate more.
Speaker 3: Two of us missed it.
Speaker 2: I would like for you to.
Speaker 1: Performing.
Speaker 2: I think you'll have a similar answer. But I like
Speaker 2: when you're a writer, you're creative all the time. It's
Speaker 2: all music, and when you're an artist, it's like ninety
Speaker 2: percent not music bullshit, And it's that's a word for it.
Speaker 2: It's just like I'm yeah, So I like doing both
Speaker 2: things because the less I write, I feel like the
Speaker 2: more I hit the bulls eye. Yeah, because my I'm
Speaker 2: never burnt. But also and I like playing shows. I
Speaker 2: like obviously like the recording of music. I like the
Speaker 2: music part of being an artist, but there's so much
Speaker 2: attached to it. That's like. But I also don't want
Speaker 2: to just write songs because I feel like you just
Speaker 2: write too many and you get burnt out and then
Speaker 2: just they get shittier. So I like doing both things
Speaker 2: and earnest like you were one of the few dudes
Speaker 2: like me who does both.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a lot of them. I totally agree.
Speaker 3: I feel the same way about artistry. They're like there's
Speaker 3: a there's a part of me. Maybe it's ego or whatever,
Speaker 3: but I've always wanted to perform songs or like, sometimes
Speaker 3: I'll be writing a song and it's I know, as
Speaker 3: soon as we're writing it, this is for me. I
Speaker 3: want to sing this song. So like that that or
Speaker 3: whatever is getting itched by being an artist. But as
Speaker 3: far as creator goes, like I can't turn off writing songs.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be writing songs either way.
Speaker 1: Well, you kind of I feel like you just create
Speaker 1: shit all the time, whether you're just creating a text
Speaker 1: for myself. Yeah, just like trying to make somebody laugh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's the fact that songwriting
Speaker 3: is a job is unreal, Like haha, high school teachers
Speaker 3: like you're a d D and not listening in class,
Speaker 3: so you better pay attention. You're gonna need to go
Speaker 3: finish college if you want to get a real job.
Speaker 2: It's like, I have a sociology degree, which is basically.
Speaker 3: How do you and how does that make it? And
Speaker 3: how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: I had not a lot to do with writing a song,
Speaker 2: so whatever, I just yeah. I think the difference too,
Speaker 2: is like a lot of people want to be an artist,
Speaker 2: like I wish I was a country music artist, but
Speaker 2: then there's dudes that are just like that kid just
Speaker 2: is one. Yes, And that's like so like people, you
Speaker 2: get better at writing songs, get better at making recordings,
Speaker 2: but either sometimes either are one or you aren't one.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's what people, like real fans
Speaker 2: kind of catch on to, is like they know.
Speaker 3: What, Zach, Yeah, I want to be an NFL football Yeah,
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna. I can go to the gym every day. Again,
Speaker 3: we can.
Speaker 2: Tackle each other every Thursday night.
Speaker 3: I'm not taking a hit from either of y'all, I'll
Speaker 3: take a hit.
Speaker 1: Have you had.
Speaker 2: You ever had to tackle Derrick Henry?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Will he was a few times, he was right there.
Speaker 1: A couple of times you tripp or something. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you go through with it. No, Yeah, he's a he's
Speaker 1: a monstery somebody you just you just drop low on
Speaker 1: in the hole. A lot of guys are very prideful
Speaker 1: and they want to see if they got it. But
Speaker 1: as you see Derrick Henry, the majority of times.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say the majority of the time, did
Speaker 3: Earl Thomas and Derrick Henry a Father's Day card this year?
Speaker 1: Had a hard We actually, hey, it's his it's his
Speaker 1: mic on yet exactly. Yeahs Taylor, you're grabbing that mic.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's on right now. We can
Speaker 1: all we can all hear you for sure. It is okay.
Speaker 7: I've been holding my tongue like since I've walked in here.
Speaker 7: By the way, I'm very sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't mean you do that. I'm having a having
Speaker 2: a great time. Yeah, I told him this year we
Speaker 2: just had a baby. I get it. I said, Yo,
Speaker 2: he's three months yesterday, born in the quarantine. He's pretty
Speaker 2: good and he's getting there. We're almost there, dude.
Speaker 7: The first six months is like I'm just keeping this
Speaker 7: thing a lot.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wake up at four am every day
Speaker 2: to feed him and then put him back to bed.
Speaker 4: And tough life.
Speaker 7: It gets there for sure. My my first daughter, she
Speaker 7: was born July July fifth, and like two weeks later
Speaker 7: I had to go to camp. But those two weeks
Speaker 7: I was like, I was like in it because my
Speaker 7: wife is she's dead, right yeah. And then my daughter
Speaker 7: now she's due July sixteenth, and so it's like I'm
Speaker 7: kind of I kind of get a get jail free throat.
Speaker 2: I have to go to CAP.
Speaker 7: It's kind of a weird little deal.
Speaker 2: But we were we were gonna I was gonna be
Speaker 2: I mean, we tour, so our schedules kind of go
Speaker 2: like this, but we we wanted a tour together this
Speaker 2: year just so that like I didn't miss a whole
Speaker 2: chunk of time. But it's a it's a lot of work, man.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, it's a lot of work, and then
Speaker 2: you are doing it. Oh shit, this is is a
Speaker 2: lot a lot of work. And then you always I think,
Speaker 2: like your kid has a rough day. Like my daughter,
Speaker 2: she's gett me three, and she'll.
Speaker 7: Like like be super like mean, or like she'll do
Speaker 7: something that's like not good right, and I'll be like, hey,
Speaker 7: don't don't do that, And like then you get frustrated
Speaker 7: as your patients are low and then they go to bed,
Speaker 7: and then your head you're like, what if I just
Speaker 7: created a serial killer by doing the right things. Some
Speaker 7: people do kid, some people do Dahmer, all those guys,
Speaker 7: But like, you know, I don't want to to be
Speaker 7: a Dahmer.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Manson Jimmy Dahmer had no idea when he when you know,
Speaker 3: when he went ahead said I'm shooting it, Jeffrey, No,
Speaker 3: Timmy's his dad. I'm talking. But when I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 3: not talking about a bullet. When I say shooting it,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about I'm gonna make this kid. And then
Speaker 3: that kid we named him Jeffrey damn dude could not Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 7: But parenting. Parenting is the most stresful job in the
Speaker 7: world because you just feel like every day is like,
Speaker 7: am I doing the right thing as a parent? Am
Speaker 7: I making sure that this kid? When they're three months old,
Speaker 7: you're like, hey, I'm keeping you alive, and then six
Speaker 7: months hits and you'll be like you're gonna come home
Speaker 7: and he's gonna be like kind of smiling anything.
Speaker 2: All right. That's the hardest part is when you're like
Speaker 2: you don't feel like a dad until like the kid comes,
Speaker 2: because it's like you're not pregnant with it. You can't
Speaker 2: feel a kick a little bit, but that's it. And
Speaker 2: then like it comes and I didn't feel like this
Speaker 2: massive emotional flow is more like all right, here's the kid,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna keep it alive. But slowly he's like
Speaker 2: starting to have like facial expressions and like starting to
Speaker 2: like you could see like recognizes me. That part's cool,
Speaker 2: Like that's like, my it's been like a steady increase
Speaker 2: in feeling like a dad as opposed to just like
Speaker 2: this huge wave of it. But yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know if we're gonna do
Speaker 2: it again.
Speaker 7: We had one where like you gotta give it, you
Speaker 7: gotta give it.
Speaker 2: He's pretty easy though, and that's the thing is, like, man,
Speaker 2: we got an easy kid. Everybody tells us he's easy.
Speaker 2: Why would we how do we potentially get a shitty one?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say I hear the second one.
Speaker 2: Hear the second ones are the handfuls bit of a doozy.
Speaker 7: No, I've always thought like the second one. Like my wife,
Speaker 7: she was the second one, and she was like the
Speaker 7: good kid like Quinn, her brother, wild child, like add
Speaker 7: poster child like me, bam bam bam bam, off the walls.
Speaker 7: And then I was the first and I was the
Speaker 7: kid that was off the walls. But my brother would
Speaker 7: sit there and just watch me. But I feel like
Speaker 7: the second kids always like easier for whatever reason, because
Speaker 7: they're being entertained by the first one. Now having to
Speaker 7: like then you go from my Hey, both of us,
Speaker 7: you and me, we're gonna get on the skate. We're
Speaker 7: going to make sure these kids no no on nowhere
Speaker 7: and I'm doing something wrong. When you got too, it's like, hey,
Speaker 7: i'll see you. I'll see you to night before we
Speaker 7: go to bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're lucky, and we had to get in there.
Speaker 7: You know I'll be over here, you'd be over there.
Speaker 7: Parenting's cool as shit, though it's different. I feel like
Speaker 7: like before I had kids, I didn't know if I'd
Speaker 7: ever want to have kids, But now that I have kids.
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, it's the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 2: I didn't want one until I was with Mare and
Speaker 2: I was like, I could have a kid with you,
Speaker 2: And I never had that like like there's you know,
Speaker 2: people are like, man, I just want to be a dad,
Speaker 2: like they've dreamed about it their whole life. And I
Speaker 2: was like when I met her and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense. So I've had that's been awesome. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it unless it was with somebody who's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to have a kid with you. I think.
Speaker 7: I think a lot of ways people get stuck in
Speaker 7: Like people make plans like by the time I'm twenty five,
Speaker 7: I want to have this job. By the time I'm
Speaker 7: twenty seven, I want to be married by the time
Speaker 7: I'm thirty, I want to have two kids. And they
Speaker 7: have like this timeline in their head. But then you
Speaker 7: end up like just saying, Okay, well I need to
Speaker 7: be married by twenty seven, so I'm going to marry
Speaker 7: the person that i'm with right now. That's and that
Speaker 7: person might not be the person for you. You know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. Because I was kind of that way too,
Speaker 7: Like I was really you know, I was kind of.
Speaker 2: A rambling man.
Speaker 7: I was kind of going from place to place, kind
Speaker 7: of a little bit of a fuck boy. To be
Speaker 7: totally honest with you, I was, I was riding a
Speaker 7: little thirty out there and yeah, think you this stand
Speaker 7: up gentleman. You and I met Taylor, and all that
Speaker 7: stuff kind of like just went away.
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, this is oh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, A proposed her in five weeks, five weeks, five weeks,
Speaker 7: proposer in five weeks, got married on four twenty and uh,
Speaker 7: thank you. Married got married on four secretly some little
Speaker 7: church at Vanderbilt. No one knew about it, and then
Speaker 7: we got married two years later, very for everybody else.
Speaker 2: So it was a cool gig.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I feel like some of that stuff can be like
Speaker 1: I chalk it up as like small town syndrome, because
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, we all kind of breach.
Speaker 1: You up in small towns and you kind of think, like,
Speaker 1: I want to be buried probably with a kid by
Speaker 1: twenty five because everyone around you, the generation above you,
Speaker 1: like they all did it, even though they're all arguing
Speaker 1: now and they kind of all hate each.
Speaker 3: Other'sall town syndrome is a great song time you see.
Speaker 6: That's the great.
Speaker 3: Syndrome getting married.
Speaker 2: My name by that one.
Speaker 7: Hey hey, well hey we all yeahmall town sydrum comes out.
Speaker 1: Boys, we all made that.
Speaker 2: We made the cut on now everyone, We'll have to
Speaker 2: We'll have to. We'll negotiate.
Speaker 3: We'll figure that out, all right.
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Speaker 1: ever feel like people are trying to use you for
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Speaker 1: the way up until like, all right, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Take it from here. Please use me, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean please, don't know Ernie.
Speaker 1: Ernests had a little smirk over there like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a fucking life, please me, and about to use this
Speaker 1: shirt as a towel to drop a sweat off my forehead.
Speaker 3: Denim cow the Canadian tuxedo.
Speaker 1: I thought, the day.
Speaker 3: You've been on the bus before and there was no
Speaker 3: air last time, right, So I don't know what made
Speaker 3: it last because I wanted to dress decent. I didn't
Speaker 3: want to come up here looking homeless. And now Ryan
Speaker 3: was going to come correct with that. Yes, dude, I
Speaker 3: had the car.
Speaker 1: I told you I.
Speaker 2: Don't you don't come onto the bus with your weak ship.
Speaker 2: And Aaron was trying to just got a little warm.
Speaker 3: It's okay, that's it. I had a flannel and I
Speaker 3: really thought to myself, it's in the car, and I
Speaker 3: was like, I feel like he might be wearing plaid.
Speaker 3: So I threw the double denims on and I was right, dude,
Speaker 3: when I got in right, I was right.
Speaker 7: A quick side note. I know people make fun of
Speaker 7: the Canadian tuxedo. Big fan of it. I think denim
Speaker 7: on Denham looks great. I don't care who knows it,
Speaker 7: did it?
Speaker 2: Big fan of that.
Speaker 3: It's a hot one, but it is.
Speaker 7: And I run hot too, run hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah you sleep, you got a big fan when you sell.
Speaker 7: My wife hates fans.
Speaker 1: My huge thing.
Speaker 7: I'm a big I'm a big go to the hotel
Speaker 7: on away games and then first thing I do, crank
Speaker 7: that thing down with yes. It's like in the fifties.
Speaker 7: I'm like, that's all right, We're gonna be all right.
Speaker 3: In the middle of the night, like running back and forth,
Speaker 3: it's beginning, like Christmas comes over your TV. It gets
Speaker 3: so cold and there dying dude had Christmas at a
Speaker 3: at an extended stay.
Speaker 1: Dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That was a grind.
Speaker 3: I was raising the pace raising a puppy on tour
Speaker 3: and we were staying at extended stays all across.
Speaker 2: It's a different world than an extended stay. You brought
Speaker 2: your dog on tour, Yeah, little baby puppy in a
Speaker 2: van by yourself.
Speaker 3: Me, Delaney, uh, my tour manager and my dog and
Speaker 3: we went all over and he was like, you know
Speaker 3: that the mics doud three months old. No, that was
Speaker 3: on the Mason Ramsey tour. Yes, which was a little
Speaker 3: more toned down because he's fourteen. I was, I did
Speaker 3: all my drugs and drinking elsewhere.
Speaker 2: That was the Mountain Dew Tour.
Speaker 3: The mountain too, Yeah, No, it was.
Speaker 1: It was the white Claw Tour for me.
Speaker 3: I was drinking so much white claw and Mason finally
Speaker 3: came out to me. He goes, white claws are bad
Speaker 3: for your voice. You should drink water. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: listen here, kid, this is my first, second or third rodeo.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna drink white.
Speaker 1: Claws white for your voice. Did you ground him on
Speaker 1: the spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put him in his place, punched him.
Speaker 7: How about that, though, Dude, you you can't become a
Speaker 7: famous football player by yodeling in a Walmart.
Speaker 1: That's just no dope.
Speaker 3: Would that be if you could? You can become a
Speaker 3: professional player. About just hauling off at a minor league game.
Speaker 7: Sometime sounds game. He threw like ninety six That's what
Speaker 7: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And now he's got signed by the A Yeah.
Speaker 7: Sign, that's right.
Speaker 3: It's insane.
Speaker 7: Football is worst sport to pick.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 7: Basketball, You out there, just go crush it, crush it.
Speaker 3: Boom, you're in I mean, you've made a lot of
Speaker 3: money with football, so why is it the worst sport?
Speaker 7: It's the worst sport to get like, like.
Speaker 5: I think it's the worst sport to get like found, okay,
Speaker 5: get found in a Walmart?
Speaker 1: Well were we gary? Bring that stuff back up? What
Speaker 1: were we talking about?
Speaker 2: Who knows you were? You were going in on saying
Speaker 2: use me, Oh yeah, as long as the check clears man, Yes,
Speaker 2: just use it up. Take my music, like, cut it
Speaker 2: however you want, put it on the race.
Speaker 1: So there there's something that there's a formula already in
Speaker 1: place for people that want to do something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're paid a song, like it's publishing royalties, you're
Speaker 3: paid to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I think like in your case, like you are
Speaker 2: in that crew of like Morgan and Michael and and
Speaker 2: like there is a thing there that you have created
Speaker 2: with the other those other two dudes. It's like it's
Speaker 2: a it's a style, and it's very much something that
Speaker 2: you're a part of. And so I think it's like
Speaker 2: with you, it's just waiting your turn to when like
Speaker 2: that third dude can come in and and and do
Speaker 2: it like kind of behind those two guys boats. I
Speaker 2: mean the thing about Morgan and my they got their
Speaker 2: first and that's the only thing that it is. So yeah,
Speaker 2: but you get to write all the songs and have
Speaker 2: all the singles, and obviously that's a good living. But
Speaker 2: uh but yeah, man, it's just we're we're in the
Speaker 2: same boat where it's like, man, we just need like
Speaker 2: that one like I had a my song got to
Speaker 2: top twenty at radio and then it, uh it's a
Speaker 2: platinum record. But it just it's like you need like
Speaker 2: to stack those up a couple of times before you
Speaker 2: can like have that ball rolling. And that's like the
Speaker 2: same boat that we're both in.
Speaker 7: There's gotta be some sort of politics that plays into it, though.
Speaker 7: If you have that many guys getting together doing riding around,
Speaker 7: that's the nine Yeah you don't want to do Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: you got to sit there and all right, well not
Speaker 7: a're just gonna say the song it's going to be
Speaker 7: number one. I'm sure there's a different release.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's. I mean it's a lot of behind the
Speaker 3: scenes stuff that like sometimes artists don't even have much
Speaker 3: say and what comes out next or when and how
Speaker 3: how they're released. Oh really, Yeah, I mean we're definitely
Speaker 3: involved in like picking songs and stuff and all that,
Speaker 3: but sometimes, you know, labels get to look at analytics
Speaker 3: and actual numbers, so it's like less of a guessing game,
Speaker 3: like oh, I like this song, Let's do this. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: this one's streaming well, so let's numbers are already saying
Speaker 3: this will probably do well, so let's run that one
Speaker 3: to radio.
Speaker 1: There's like all that being so, Aaron, let's take your
Speaker 1: feelings out of it, look at the.
Speaker 3: Dyea And that's hard to do as a creator because
Speaker 3: feeling is like everything. We write songs around feeling, and
Speaker 3: right when it comes to what we actually get to
Speaker 3: portray ourselves as like sometimes we get we have to
Speaker 3: take that feeling away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 2: I had this song come out called what Her Name Was? Summer,
Speaker 2: and it was my favorite song, and I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the one, this is it, and I was
Speaker 2: the only one that thought that, and then.
Speaker 1: I am right.
Speaker 2: And then it went to it got too serious and
Speaker 2: it got like it did all right, but it was
Speaker 2: very obvious it was not the one.
Speaker 1: I was like, he comes in the meeting, Hey, Ryan,
Speaker 1: did you learn your lessons?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I talk about that dumb ass song you want
Speaker 2: to play and you can tell like when you play live,
Speaker 2: like what songs are huge? And that's one that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is going to be huge. And then it's like
Speaker 2: very medium.
Speaker 3: I didn't do it.
Speaker 1: It didn't do very well live you hear.
Speaker 3: It's just not like on the people are like, fuck yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not the reaction you dreamed that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like that scene in Queen where the guy starts
Speaker 7: to singing and the whole crowd start behind him.
Speaker 1: He just stop.
Speaker 7: That's the whole thing kind of That's like the thing
Speaker 7: you dream about as like an athlete, because athletes want
Speaker 7: to be singers, songwriter, as actor. They want to be
Speaker 7: what they're not. Everybody wants to be what they're not.
Speaker 7: And so like you sit there and you're watching Queen
Speaker 7: or the Elton John movie or any ship like that.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not trying to be you know, a
Speaker 7: homosexual guy from London, super talented, super talented, but happy.
Speaker 2: Being what I am.
Speaker 7: But I'm saying as a singer songwriter, like having somebody
Speaker 7: like call recall to you would be like the dopest
Speaker 7: shit ever, or.
Speaker 1: Like telling that lawyer dude, like no, I think this
Speaker 1: single tell the off. Dude, you're having that amount of
Speaker 1: cloud that's and then you walk out and then throw
Speaker 1: a fucking rock at the window. You know what happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great movie. You'll my favorite movie.
Speaker 7: I actually love that movie.
Speaker 2: Like they didn't they did just used is the actual vote?
Speaker 2: Maybe's the actual Freddie Mercury vocal? Right? Yes, I liked
Speaker 2: that they did that because yes, you can't fake that.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 3: The one movie that I thought was really good the
Speaker 3: music movie, was Walk the Line Joaqum Phoenix, Yeah, Joe
Speaker 3: him Phoenix. I don't know, but yeah, Walkurd Wait you
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 7: I don't want to get addicted to it. I think addicted.
Speaker 7: I think I'd like to try me some of that
Speaker 7: cocaine sounds kind of expensive. It's the least expensive.
Speaker 3: Drug there is and not once did you pay for drugs? Yes,
Speaker 3: Walkard's best, but Joaquum did a pretty good Johnny Cash.
Speaker 1: I was okay with Joaquem's voice in that.
Speaker 2: He had my favorite ever acceptance at the Oscars when
Speaker 2: he used his time to uh decree milk oh yes
Speaker 2: to cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a vegan it was a vegan
Speaker 1: chant he got he won like.
Speaker 2: The biggest award he could ever win. He's like milk
Speaker 2: is bad And that was basically all he said.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a super private dude, right, like strange. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's a strange cat, But I feel like those guys
Speaker 7: are the most interesting to.
Speaker 1: Me when anybody who does the Jokers fucking.
Speaker 7: When I see somebody that's super off the wall, I'm like,
Speaker 7: I gotta get to know that guy, Like what makes
Speaker 7: that dude? Ways want to be people that way different
Speaker 7: than me?
Speaker 3: Ben Burgess, Ben Burgess is that guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the dude, You're like, that dude's a genius.
Speaker 2: He's a genius, but it's tough to like rope him in.
Speaker 2: And when you do, it's great, but you gotta like
Speaker 2: really sit there until you gotta wait for it.
Speaker 7: Kind of like h c L.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit like that.
Speaker 7: Hammercock was definitely like hammer Cock dude, hammer Cock La
Speaker 7: Floor was definitely one of those cats that were like
Speaker 7: you talked to him and be like, oh, this guy
Speaker 7: is just yeah, he's a wavelength and I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, expanded Hammercock.
Speaker 7: So we did I think the podcast that she just
Speaker 7: came out right yesterday. So we did a podcast with
Speaker 7: David b and uh. I know that the head coaching
Speaker 7: the Packers.
Speaker 1: Ago was sure for the Titans, hammercock hammercock.
Speaker 7: Well he looks he's got that appeal, that vibe of
Speaker 7: when you look up reality porn and you see like
Speaker 7: the unsuspecting guy. It's like, well, you know, I didn't
Speaker 7: study this week, and then the big bosomed milf comes
Speaker 7: in with the ruler and you didn't study. I mean, look,
Speaker 7: he's got great teeth, got absolute peace on him.
Speaker 1: You feel like when you're talking to him and telling
Speaker 1: the story, he's like kind of smiling like that, but
Speaker 1: he's thinking about something else that has to do.
Speaker 2: He can run. I can see that guy delivering a pizza.
Speaker 7: Sausage on this one. He's got a great porn look. Man,
Speaker 7: he's got a football doesn't work out for him, which
Speaker 7: it looks like it is the NFC Championship, right, yeah,
Speaker 7: makes the NFC Championship. He's got Aaron Rodgers, he should
Speaker 7: do Jordan Love no active NFL porn.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't play football, But.
Speaker 1: Where about that?
Speaker 2: He was apparently?
Speaker 7: Oh man, dude, I'm a huge Michigan fan. Are you
Speaker 7: You're from Kalamazoo right from Kalamo. I don't know if
Speaker 7: you're a Bronco guy or whatever. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 7: you're not only a Bronco guy, but I'm a big
Speaker 7: Michigan fan.
Speaker 2: You got you guys. You want a last team to
Speaker 2: beat Ohio State.
Speaker 7: So yeah, thank you, very thank you for doing that.
Speaker 7: Don't be a friend, flat boys. Yeah three Ohio State,
Speaker 7: Stiffrey Bowl three for Ohio State.
Speaker 2: That's a big deal.
Speaker 7: That's a big fucking So this boy is my hero.
Speaker 1: And uh, Taylor's your hero.
Speaker 2: Beat he beat Ohio State.
Speaker 7: Okay, heroes and we uh and then Sugar Bowl win, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: when the Sugar Bowl we went out, I think that
Speaker 7: was the only actually good year we had because from
Speaker 7: O nine to thirteen, that's when I was at Michigan,
Speaker 7: was really a very dark time, weird, very weird. Rich
Speaker 7: Rodriguez came from West West Virginia.
Speaker 1: You really brought him down, did not.
Speaker 7: He did not have a good night's sleep, I think
Speaker 7: the whole time he was there.
Speaker 2: No, it was tough.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was tough for him. And then Brady Hook
Speaker 7: came in, who everybody wanted hardball but settle for Hoke
Speaker 7: and uh, it just didn't work.
Speaker 2: Out hok either.
Speaker 7: But that that that Sugar Bowl win was really cool
Speaker 7: against West uh Virgina Tech. It's like triple overtime.
Speaker 4: Brendan Gibbons with the kick. Did you ever see his interview?
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, but I watched. I mean I
Speaker 2: was watching the game he did.
Speaker 7: He did an interview after the game and they like
Speaker 7: iced him twice and that's exactly what kicks and like,
Speaker 7: what were you thinking about? And he was like, I
Speaker 7: was just thinking about brunette girls on the beach.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: He was like, yeah, coach tells me whenever I'm getting iced,
Speaker 7: just to think about girls in the beach. I'll never
Speaker 7: miss a kid. He kicked that thing, right. I love
Speaker 7: Brendan Gibbon.
Speaker 1: I feel like everything kind of changed for Michigan when
Speaker 1: you guys lost the Appalachian State.
Speaker 7: But that was that was before I was. There was
Speaker 7: two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: That was last year that was in the air. That
Speaker 2: was right, so like it all went weird that year.
Speaker 2: I remember when Michigan, ohioseate was one two with Chad
Speaker 2: Hanny Mike Hall, Yeah, and they lost by it was
Speaker 2: it two?
Speaker 7: It's like seven, right Smith.
Speaker 1: To Troy Smith and Maurice Clarette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we won or Michigan. We I was
Speaker 2: on the team. I then like they beat him with
Speaker 2: the nard and then that was it and they've just
Speaker 2: gotten their ass beat ever since, and it's been really
Speaker 2: just appointing.
Speaker 7: Well, there was there was one game after I left
Speaker 7: that was pretty close. It was that fourth and inches
Speaker 7: and they didn't get it.
Speaker 2: But they gave it to him. That's bullshit, absolute, you know,
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, oh, it didn't matter because they got
Speaker 2: the ball back, but Wilton dropped the ball on the
Speaker 2: on the goal line and whatever.
Speaker 7: Well shape Patterson, our helmets are cool. Yeah, responsor by Jordan.
Speaker 7: We should definitely go there. There's a there's I've actually
Speaker 7: talked to Portnoy about this when we were in Miami.
Speaker 7: Is Michigan's just it hurts to say it because I
Speaker 7: went there. You're a fan, but very irrelevant at this time.
Speaker 7: I don't know what you need to do because you
Speaker 7: have the Jordan sponsorship, you have the history and tradition
Speaker 7: at Michigan's unbelievable. The uniforms are iconic. What I don't
Speaker 7: know what they have to do to kind of catch
Speaker 7: up with Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Because they need to drop to the academic requirements a
Speaker 2: little bit. Well, your boy got in there, and I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what it wasn't good. I got two seven
Speaker 2: with the sliding scale. My act was stupid good, but
Speaker 2: I got. And so they're not quite like Vanderbilt. Where
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt you literally have to be able to get in
Speaker 2: school to play there. That's a death penalty and it's hell.
Speaker 3: Were you a good test taker? Was that good test taker?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 7: I was kind of what you were alluding to about
Speaker 7: the ad D pay attention to school guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: got to I got to Michigan and I joked with
Speaker 7: you about the sociology because I was a general state's major.
Speaker 7: But I got there and they're like, well, so what
Speaker 7: do you What do you want to do after college?
Speaker 7: Was the Wa'm going to go to the NFL? Like well,
Speaker 7: you know football punds, Yeah, and like, well statistically, and
Speaker 7: I told a story too many times on the podcast,
Speaker 7: but I definitely was like that was my fucking move,
Speaker 7: and so I didn't. I was a king of a
Speaker 7: two point zero at Michigan, absolute king of it, he said.
Speaker 3: The king of the two point h I graduated with
Speaker 3: the one point nine high school high school.
Speaker 1: I never got out of college.
Speaker 7: So you played when year in baseball in college?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I never got out. I just quit after one.
Speaker 3: But I got there. I mean, thank god for Christian
Speaker 3: schools because they're accepting the dumb ass kid but saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, you got a norm on you. Let's
Speaker 3: let's sign them up.
Speaker 2: The Lord needs you here.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Lord was like kind of change our mind.
Speaker 3: They kind of kind of talked with the other two
Speaker 3: and we change our mind.
Speaker 7: You kich allt of Michigan game.
Speaker 1: Still.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went to Notre Dame this year. Actually, it's
Speaker 2: fun now because we can take my bus up there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we go and we'll just wake up back home.
Speaker 7: Super super easy drive to not far off from here.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the apartment bus.
Speaker 2: Well, my bus has the twelve bunks, gotcha, gotcha to
Speaker 2: throw everybody.
Speaker 1: And you should hear about this apartment bus. They got
Speaker 1: my wife.
Speaker 7: Listen to the pod.
Speaker 2: My wife has a really sweet bus that has a
Speaker 2: baby crate in it and our apartments in the back.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's that he was asking how you
Speaker 2: take a baby on the road. It's like, well, we
Speaker 2: have a bus that's like set up. It's like monitors
Speaker 2: and white noise machines.
Speaker 1: And yeah, will yeah, build on the bus.
Speaker 7: You just drive the bus and then the babies.
Speaker 1: Did you hear him? Our apartments in the back of
Speaker 1: the bus. We need to look into a bus like that.
Speaker 7: We got great bus.
Speaker 1: This is fun.
Speaker 2: This is a great bus. This is a cooler bus
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 7: I would this bus just bus as best as cool
Speaker 7: as it gets. It's about twenty seven thousand dollars to
Speaker 7: get this thing running. The floor the floor under.
Speaker 1: You got to put it on a different chassis.
Speaker 7: Yeah, chassis. The floor is so uh there's no drivers seat,
Speaker 7: there's literally no driversy.
Speaker 2: You could just risk it.
Speaker 3: Risk this, dude, nail the lawn chair down to the floorboard.
Speaker 7: Okay, engine doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Driver's engine doesn't work. Yeah, steal an engine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then my parts are obsolete for this model.
Speaker 7: Not like big and fashion anymore.
Speaker 2: Crowdsources.
Speaker 7: Kickstarter could do a Kickstarter we could. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7: When that song comes up that you and Will started,
Speaker 7: We'll take you get put it.
Speaker 1: Right in do with me, like I can't Taylor just
Speaker 1: pay this or that, like you run a risk right there,
Speaker 1: trying to do a kickstarter for Taylor.
Speaker 5: Like crowdfunding, Fuck it, I'll do it. I'm making for
Speaker 5: me and kickstart for the bus. I feel like that
Speaker 5: said just coming your mouth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we run into that too, not to the same level,
Speaker 2: but but yeah. No one's like, hey, I don't crowd
Speaker 2: from my record at this point, like you you're on
Speaker 2: OURCA records, you can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you get that's that's a bad look for OURCA.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a worse look for r C.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The dude is a motherfucking stud who's RCA.
Speaker 2: That's my record company. So he's on Big Loud Records,
Speaker 2: Big Loud, Big Loud, Yeah yesterday with yes, sir, I'm
Speaker 2: on a RCA Records, which is like Elvis.
Speaker 1: And Classic Beyonce. So you guys are competitors.
Speaker 7: No, well, it sounds like after you Elvis and Beyonce,
Speaker 7: it's not a fucking yeah. You know, we had Elvis
Speaker 7: and Beyond.
Speaker 3: Beyond.
Speaker 1: He's set in the standard.
Speaker 3: RCA is like one of the one of the og
Speaker 3: record life.
Speaker 2: No record come. But he's like, hey, where do you bank?
Speaker 2: That's like all it is like you, Yeah, I would
Speaker 2: bake it son Trust, I bank it Pinnacle. Well it's
Speaker 2: like those are We're not competing.
Speaker 1: Right is that? Now? Is that who you signed with
Speaker 1: recently in March?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Then you signed with some publisher now is Big Machine?
Speaker 2: So that's like Scott Boarshea and whatever. So I probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't bring that. Bring up the other thing, Garrett, you
Speaker 2: signed in March with who Big Machine Music? So the
Speaker 2: publishing side of of of that record company?
Speaker 1: Now that that's a that's a big deal, right Is
Speaker 1: that a big deal? Yeah, it's big for me, Like
Speaker 1: I had Big Machines.
Speaker 2: I was at Universal Publishing for a long time.
Speaker 1: You had a picture. I saw you had a signing
Speaker 1: picture like a high schooler come into a college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do that.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. Hey, let's go signing it more.
Speaker 2: I mean we we Uh. I don't know how would
Speaker 2: you describe this. I'm trying to like, it's it's a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 1: It's a publishing deal.
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, well, I mean look, I mean for
Speaker 3: a lot of people getting a publishing deal, I mean
Speaker 3: for me, I mean I was working at donut Den
Speaker 3: in Green Hills.
Speaker 2: You worked a donut den?
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I got a lifetime free donuts. Can't tell.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean for for most people, that's the dream. You
Speaker 3: come to Nashville, you want, you want to write songs,
Speaker 3: you get it. You get somebody to give you a
Speaker 3: publishing deal. Guess what, that's your job. You don't have
Speaker 3: a regular job anymore.
Speaker 7: And if you get the.
Speaker 3: Dream, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: Getting a publishing deal.
Speaker 2: For me, that was it. That was like I signed
Speaker 2: my first deal when I was twenty five years old,
Speaker 2: and I that was like, that means you are a professional,
Speaker 2: paid professional songwriter. Yes, And if you put that into context.
Speaker 2: Somebody told me this once and I looked it up.
Speaker 2: It kind of holds true. In America, there's thirty five
Speaker 2: thousand paid professional baseball players, okay, majors, minors, semi pro, whatever.
Speaker 2: There's thirty five hundred paid professional songwriters in America. People
Speaker 2: who make a living as not all artists, but guys
Speaker 2: like me and Ernest and girls who write songs for
Speaker 2: other people like that's their job is just the writing
Speaker 2: of the music. There's thirty five hundred people in America
Speaker 2: that do that job, and maybe somebody can update me
Speaker 2: because I was like five years ago somebody told me
Speaker 2: that they're just obvious.
Speaker 1: You need to start leveraging the NFL numbers because we're
Speaker 1: smaller than the baseball numbers.
Speaker 7: We're like twenty I think we're like twenty two, twenty
Speaker 7: two hundred, twenty two hundred NFL players, and like right now,
Speaker 7: there's a lot more because you have a bigger roster
Speaker 7: you have you have fifty three man roster times thirty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Boys, it's way easier to be a songwriter than a
Speaker 2: baseball player, but way harder to be a well.
Speaker 1: Closer around there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but also like you, I mean, minor minor league
Speaker 7: BASBA players even Triple.
Speaker 2: A don't make shit.
Speaker 1: You don't make sure they don't make it.
Speaker 7: But like most songwriters will be baseball players.
Speaker 3: Dude, dude, I would like to probably compare a double
Speaker 3: a baseball player's salary to a first publishing deal salary.
Speaker 1: Oh really, that you got to make sure NFL players?
Speaker 2: Was that that somebody telling us twenty eight hundred songwriters? Damn? Wow?
Speaker 1: Even less dude, I know, well, it's tables keep turning.
Speaker 2: It's not tables. Turn last ten years have been a
Speaker 2: little rough on the old uh on the songwriters, just
Speaker 2: because of the way that music's consumed. Is trying to
Speaker 2: get that balance back out. But uh yeah, so most
Speaker 2: songwriters are not millionaires. That's like the that's just the
Speaker 2: truth of it. Most of them make a common misconception
Speaker 2: kind of well, I mean like some of them are,
Speaker 2: but most of them, like you're my first deal was
Speaker 2: for like twenty eight thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Now is that twenty five?
Speaker 2: That's like pretty good? Yeah, how long is that contract?
Speaker 3: Probably forty years? Yeah, how many years?
Speaker 2: Four years?
Speaker 1: How old are you now?
Speaker 2: Thirty three?
Speaker 1: So when you re up to this one, is it
Speaker 1: you basically moved up in publishing companies.
Speaker 2: The same amount of quality. I mean, both of those
Speaker 2: companies are amazing. Universal Music is obviously like the big
Speaker 2: music company in the world. But yeah, yeah, it's more
Speaker 2: like the percentages come back in my favor the more
Speaker 2: that I do it. God, Like the salary part of
Speaker 2: it's a draw, so it's like an advance, but the
Speaker 2: royalties are what you're you're partnering, you're.
Speaker 3: Splitting, right, they'll give you a month, they'll give you
Speaker 3: a monthly payment.
Speaker 1: The potential is better you pay it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes back.
Speaker 3: To it comes comes back out of your pocket.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm just trying to learn, dude. So it
Speaker 1: sounds like a big deal music.
Speaker 2: The money like the way money flows and music is wild,
Speaker 2: just wild. Yeah, it's it's complicated, and then once you
Speaker 2: get it, you're like, oh that makes sense. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Business manager was the best thing that ever happened to me,
Speaker 3: because yeah, I have a good one. I can't think
Speaker 3: about it, and now I don't have to. I just
Speaker 3: have to, like son some papers every now and then,
Speaker 3: and I know all of my ship's getting taken care of.
Speaker 3: No dude, all my bills, Like, I don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: He sneaks the power of attorney in there.
Speaker 7: He signed this you're an idiot. Yeah yeah, I keep
Speaker 7: on writing them songs and as you kill, keep going,
Speaker 7: keep seeing me.
Speaker 2: Those people get they get a dirty business manager. Those
Speaker 2: people get kicked out pretty quick. So yeah, they get
Speaker 2: found out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no question, had your credit card yesterday?
Speaker 7: I still ye, yeah, I know he still has credit
Speaker 7: card on the bustle with the boys credit card, so
Speaker 7: you could have bought beers. I could. I think it's
Speaker 7: the first, don't. I don't know what Will has been
Speaker 7: spending this credit card on, but I bought six bottles
Speaker 7: of water not with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what have you been spending on it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't use it like a debit card?
Speaker 3: Would you use it for cars?
Speaker 1: Trucks? Cars? As I'll plug that card info for Venmo
Speaker 1: and paying people like using the card instead of giving
Speaker 1: like the whole bank account card feed.
Speaker 7: Obviously, I got to look at that buck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think where would we should settle on? Twenty
Speaker 3: five d a piece.
Speaker 7: The buses and even more to condition than it was before.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put it back into the bus.
Speaker 2: I was when I walked down, Here's like, this is
Speaker 2: cooler in person.
Speaker 1: See those things aren't cool?
Speaker 2: Are great in person than they are.
Speaker 7: Most of this stuff. I think ninety nine percent of
Speaker 7: these stickers were on here when we first got this bus.
Speaker 3: I'd rather be spanking the monkey.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 7: There's one's my favorite.
Speaker 1: I think you were just thinking out loud, Okay, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right about Matt.
Speaker 7: My favorite sticker on this entire bus is behind you
Speaker 7: when you open the door on like that panel behind you,
Speaker 7: there's a big lizard and there's no lot lizards my
Speaker 7: favorite one. You ever heard a lot of lizard? So
Speaker 7: truckers drive trucks when you go to like a Love's
Speaker 7: gas station, your travel across country, those hookers lot lizards
Speaker 7: and then these they're grimy hookers that you get you
Speaker 7: paying like twenty bucks.
Speaker 3: No love that for anything.
Speaker 7: Put your peep over a sock or something like that
Speaker 7: in a town I don't know where is. I'm a
Speaker 7: big fan of that one. Little educational pieces. Yeah, but
Speaker 7: if you had to ask, can't afford it.
Speaker 1: In that movie erin water Boy, this is one I
Speaker 1: should know.
Speaker 3: This is like, I'm not you think I'll just sit
Speaker 3: there and soberly watch movies and take it all in.
Speaker 1: Or beer Fest.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that's it. I haven't seen that in years.
Speaker 7: That's a that's a phenomenal alright movie. The movie is
Speaker 7: so dumb. They kill off a character and then bring
Speaker 7: his twin brother back character and it was asked to
Speaker 7: be known as landfill quality fucking movies.
Speaker 2: I need to go back and watch Tonight, We're gonna
Speaker 2: Me and You're gonna get together, watch The blind Side
Speaker 2: and beer Fest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, last story, talk to us how you met,
Speaker 1: how you met Maren? And we want detail. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: can read stories, we can read articles, we can see
Speaker 1: you guys met.
Speaker 7: We're asking you to make us some money on views here.
Speaker 7: So here's a favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met we writing songs and so like she
Speaker 2: moved to town to be a songwriter, not an artist,
Speaker 2: and we started writing like every week or two and
Speaker 2: and had like a creative relationship first and eventually became
Speaker 2: something different. But like we wrote songs like Tim McGraw
Speaker 2: and brothers Osbourne and she was a writer and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, she started like writing songs that
Speaker 2: people couldn't sing, Like she'd try to pitch them and
Speaker 2: then but nobody could do it. And that's when she
Speaker 2: started like making her own recordings again. And she's been
Speaker 2: doing this since she was eleven years old, like playing
Speaker 2: bars and like that's what people say. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is like she became like was a fast. It
Speaker 2: was like fast for her and it's like, eh, kind
Speaker 2: of like if you take the whole, take it as
Speaker 2: a whole. It was. She's been doing it since she
Speaker 2: was eleven years old. But she's there's not I mean odd,
Speaker 2: like nobody she's the best songwriter I've ever met.
Speaker 3: I still believe that, Like there's no sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I let that one go.
Speaker 2: I think most people would be like, yeah, it's true.
Speaker 2: She best singer in Nashville. Is it's just kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: like there's there and she's also like we talked about
Speaker 2: ninety center of the ship is not music that ninety
Speaker 2: percent she is great at so like she's just sort
Speaker 2: of like the if you would build an artist in
Speaker 2: for like country music in Nashville, it's it's her. So
Speaker 2: but we man, it's cool. We've had a really cool relationship.
Speaker 2: It is funny like I you, you forget how famous she.
Speaker 2: I forget how famous she is and so like because
Speaker 2: I am like a writer and I have a career
Speaker 2: as an artist, but it's not the same in any
Speaker 2: like even in the same stratosphere as hers. So it
Speaker 2: is funny like I'll sometimes forget, like, oh shit, she's
Speaker 2: a superstar and I am. I have to like kind
Speaker 2: of keep that in mind. It is like harder to
Speaker 2: like go out with her now, and like even we
Speaker 2: have like a couple of places we can go to dinner,
Speaker 2: but like for the most part, like she's got to
Speaker 2: kind of keep a low profile now. And uh but yeah,
Speaker 2: we we got engaged in Michigan at our lake house Michigan.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, man, cool?
Speaker 1: What was your what was your first flirting pickup line tour?
Speaker 1: When did the table start to turn when you guys
Speaker 1: were at what comment did you have to.
Speaker 7: Saw a question?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I could. I could. We definitely into
Speaker 2: each other, like pretty early on, but I remember we
Speaker 2: ended up, uh were we started dating I think officially
Speaker 2: like New Year's Eve of like five years ago or
Speaker 2: something like that. So that was that was pretty That
Speaker 2: was pretty cool. It was like we're just gonna be
Speaker 2: dating now, and so that was kind of fun to
Speaker 2: like make out in front of everybody making Facebook, like
Speaker 2: all your friends are there, Like I guess they're actually
Speaker 2: together now, So like, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ryan fucking pulled it off.
Speaker 2: I mean, at one point, you know, I had more
Speaker 2: going on than than she did when we first you know,
Speaker 2: started writing, because she had just moved in Nashville, and
Speaker 2: then very quickly the script was flipped. So which is
Speaker 2: totally okay. Man. I feel like if you uh, I
Speaker 2: just I've always I don't feel threatened ever. I think
Speaker 2: people have asked me that it's like does this ever,
Speaker 2: like do you feel threatened by the success of your wife?
Speaker 2: It's like, fuck, no, man, It's like this is I
Speaker 2: have like the ultimate freedom. Oh I don't have. Like
Speaker 2: everything I do is just like icing like everything, like
Speaker 2: because being with somebody like that. I think that like
Speaker 2: dudes a lot of times get attracted to strong women
Speaker 2: and then they can't handle it because they feel like
Speaker 2: for some reason it diminishes them. And I feel the
Speaker 2: exact opposite. I feel like being with a strong woman
Speaker 2: frees me up to be literally do whatever I want.
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about like I mean obviously
Speaker 2: to worry about her, but like I don't have to
Speaker 2: prop her up in any way. It's just she can
Speaker 2: handle her own shit, and I feel like that is
Speaker 2: a really cool way to have a relationship. You get
Speaker 2: to go golfing, and I like watching her like pop
Speaker 2: off on the internet at people, Like that's really fun
Speaker 2: for me. And then people either tell me like to
Speaker 2: back her up or like to tell her to stop,
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, I don't need to say anything,
Speaker 2: Like I'll come in there every once in a while
Speaker 2: when I feel like I need to say something. But
Speaker 2: for the most part, she can handle herself and that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then uh, I don't know. I'm just like been
Speaker 2: proud over the last month because she's one of the
Speaker 2: I think the few country artists that's like been really
Speaker 2: vocal about like the stuff going on in our country
Speaker 2: and just even if you don't agree with it, like hey,
Speaker 2: she's putting herself out there in a big way and
Speaker 2: and and that's that takes nuts. It really does, especially
Speaker 2: in our genre.
Speaker 3: Where you know that everybody's going to crucified, famously crucified
Speaker 3: yea having an opinion.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, especially if you don't that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like keep politics out of it. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: you just don't.
Speaker 7: Agree with her politics, like she said, exactly what you want.
Speaker 2: Just like the massive double standard for people who I
Speaker 2: think are I mean you deal with the people tell
Speaker 2: I mean, if if if you if you have any
Speaker 2: opinion it it's like, hey, you just go like just
Speaker 2: keep singing. That's all we want you to do. And
Speaker 2: it's like I'm a I built this platform, it's mine.
Speaker 2: I can do whatever the funk I want with it, right, or.
Speaker 6: It's like what Okay, so what is your exact job? Oh,
Speaker 6: you're a your only plumbers can have an opinion. But
Speaker 6: hearn is actually like really outspoken to on social media,
Speaker 6: and that's hey.
Speaker 7: You don't say I just think that man wrots a
Speaker 7: bullet on a Wednesday. He's outspoken.
Speaker 2: It's hard to have that when you when your platform
Speaker 2: is smaller. And I feel the same way. And sometimes
Speaker 2: I say stuff and sometimes I don't. And this, this
Speaker 2: conversation got a little took a left turn from yeah
Speaker 2: for sure, shout out number. I want I want details
Speaker 2: on how you and Marin got together, but like, honestly,
Speaker 2: it's just like it was a creative partnership that became
Speaker 2: something more and now we really do have a cool thing.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Dude. Well I appreciate you coming on bus
Speaker 1: with the boys. Apologies for the boy beings. Yeah, everybody crashing.
Speaker 1: I think it made for a good seat.
Speaker 7: Like Bruce Pearl, I love seeing you, I love seeing you,
Speaker 7: I love I love you.
Speaker 3: We got to play golf, were neighbors.
Speaker 2: Me and Will played yesterday. We invited you.
Speaker 3: I had I had another golf, you know, golf.
Speaker 1: He golfed eighteen.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to play eighteen yesterday he has golf,
Speaker 2: You're always welcome to come back.
Speaker 7: That's fucking crazy. Hey, Taylor, Literally, I literally did Ernest's
Speaker 7: podcast yesterday and he's like, I got to play eighteen holes.
Speaker 7: I was like, cool, man, I'll see you called the bill. Hey,
Speaker 7: I did Ernest's podcasts, like, yeah, man, that's great, gotta go.
Speaker 7: I'm going to play golf. And I had him like,
Speaker 7: are they fucking playing together dude? Without me?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't golf, So would you think would you? I'd
Speaker 7: go out there and hey, if you good enough, guy,
Speaker 7: beers on a golf cart. Everybody see uh yeah, everybody
Speaker 7: sucks at golf.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I know.
Speaker 7: I'm not worried about sucking at things. I'm say, this
Speaker 7: can go down a really weird road, but very much.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. I've heard him a
Speaker 1: couple of times.
Speaker 7: People who think they've made it, gotcha. I'm twenty nine
Speaker 7: years old, twenty nine this month. Actually I'm actually still
Speaker 7: twenty eight and still.
Speaker 3: Haven't made it.
Speaker 7: It's hard, Yes, I haven't made it.
Speaker 4: It's hard for me.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to pick up See what he's
Speaker 1: building down the road.
Speaker 7: But I never had that bug as a kid. My
Speaker 7: dad never made me go or nothing. Hell long, I've
Speaker 7: been golfing for well.
Speaker 2: I grew up playing and then I quit because I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm bored and I don't want to do
Speaker 2: this anymore. He had made it yet, I hadn't made
Speaker 2: it yet, and that I made it, honestly, like when
Speaker 2: everything's shut down, that was the only thing you could do.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I guess I'm gonna go to
Speaker 2: play too golf with my brother.
Speaker 3: I might not make it because of golf. Yeah, Like, dude,
Speaker 3: I literally quarantine. I never played golf in my life.
Speaker 3: I was always a baseball player, though, and I sliced
Speaker 3: the shit out of the ball from the left side
Speaker 3: with my golf swing, so I was always discouraged. Quarantine happened.
Speaker 3: My parents started playing golf out of nowhere, so I
Speaker 3: was going to meet them at the caave and like
Speaker 3: walk nine holes with them two or three times a week.
Speaker 3: And I just swopped over and started hitting right handed
Speaker 3: and realized I had way more fun. And I just
Speaker 3: haven't stopped since the beginning of Quarantine. I just played
Speaker 3: golf all the time.
Speaker 1: I love the camaraderie, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And you're like, it's my brother and to my manager,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm going three people I've never actually
Speaker 1: been met in real life. But it was a solid time.
Speaker 7: Were you nervous at that first t though?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What what gets me is is everyone wants to be
Speaker 1: so silent when somebody's swinging and me, I kind of
Speaker 1: don't mind, Like, hey, boys play some music. Yeah I
Speaker 1: stopped watching me all right, Hey, but no doubt you
Speaker 1: definitely feel that way. It's more like, I hope I
Speaker 1: don't just roll this thing in front of me. But
Speaker 1: I was like I was getting them in the air
Speaker 1: and they were just going everywhere else you hit, But
Speaker 1: I don't mind. I didn't mind that at least I'm
Speaker 1: swinging them hit.
Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I love. What I going to
Speaker 7: like top golf, getting a pitching wedge out, hitting it
Speaker 7: completely wrong. I hit that thing one hundred and ninety.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to talk. You were about to compliment hit.
Speaker 2: Hit one. He got a hold of one and went
Speaker 2: like eight feet off the ground for like two hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty yards.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And we just say, yeah, just like guy, this.
Speaker 1: Boy has been lifting weights a Chase. He was a
Speaker 1: fan of the old. Uh, I've been taking your cigar
Speaker 1: holder around you like that piece? Oh I've been, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been utilizing it.
Speaker 7: Who is it?
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 7: Hey Taylor.
Speaker 1: Chase, that's his tour manager. And he's also like he
Speaker 1: was claiming that Jack and Garrett are two of his
Speaker 1: boys that he grew up with.
Speaker 7: There you ever seen them play spike Ball?
Speaker 4: I haven't.
Speaker 7: Actually, Oh well they're actually one, two, three, four, fourth
Speaker 7: and fifth place on the bus right now talking about
Speaker 7: that spike Yeah, he's barstool tag this in that barstool.
Speaker 1: I did see that. I was like, little did they
Speaker 1: know that we've been taking this very serious.
Speaker 7: We've been taking spike ball serious as fuck.
Speaker 1: You probably got a roll though, Yeah, you gotta roll.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on man.
Speaker 2: This was fun.
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