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Speaker 1: On today's show, Danny Surrek joins me, the draft is

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Speaker 1: just about here. One last day before the big day,

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Speaker 1: one last day of speculation, and honestly, is there a

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Speaker 1: scenario that hasn't been thought about or discussed yet. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven eight, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Pooda Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again.

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Speaker 2: Some more hurry magic whow Here's Craigcriolo.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: I'm so ready for the draft? Greg, you have no idea?

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Speaker 4: One last time to speculate.

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Speaker 1: I am right there with you. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: a busy fun and dare I say perhaps franchise changing

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Speaker 1: three days Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, I like the sound of that.

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Speaker 1: Feel free to use that during our Draft Central show

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Speaker 1: on Friday.

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Speaker 4: Our live stream show Friday.

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals YouTube channel.

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Speaker 4: How about that talking not only about the first picks

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Speaker 4: from round one, however many that might be actually talking

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Speaker 4: to the picks and the head coach and general manager

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Speaker 4: and all kinds of stuff on that show before looking

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Speaker 4: ahead to day two.

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Speaker 1: We'll have Paul Calvic joining us as well again three

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Speaker 1: pm on Friday. You said, now first round picks as

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Speaker 1: in plural as.

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Speaker 4: Of now, Yes, that's what I would imagine.

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Speaker 1: Still okay too, it's.

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Speaker 4: A matter of how many picks.

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Speaker 1: Two versus three, versus what I read earlier on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: the potential of just one. ESPN's Matt Miller his latest

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Speaker 1: and final mock draft. In fact, we'll hear from Matt

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Speaker 1: in a moment here on Cardinals cover two, presented by

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Speaker 1: a Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. He has AMHJ.

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior selected at number four, and then a

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Speaker 1: trade out of the first round with that twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: so a second round pick and then a future second

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 1: I had not anticipated that or first for.

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Speaker 4: Two seconds, Yeah, I don't like that, not enough for you,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not enough for me. What's the value of a

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Speaker 1: No, you get a first round obscure, excuse me, a

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Speaker 1: second round this year and a second round in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, So you get two second round picks. Pot,

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Speaker 4: And in this case, you already have multiple second round picks.

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Speaker 4: And while those have a lot of value in every draft,

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Speaker 4: and really in this draft, when you're considering how deep

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Speaker 4: the needs that Cardinals have, I don't like the idea

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Speaker 1: I can see a lot of teams like the Raiders

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Speaker 4: Selfish reasons, reasons and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd be happy capping it out three from a

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Speaker 1: Could we pull an all nighter to get ready for Friday?

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Speaker 4: Week twelve how's that even possible?

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Speaker 1: So we're anticipating at least two, perhaps three first round

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Speaker 1: if you're the general manager of the Arizona Cardinals Monty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's realistic to expect that eleven

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Speaker 4: I'm talking later rounds of making trades where right now

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting topic that hasn't really been talked much

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Speaker 1: Not that a general manager goes into a draft thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's kind of the fun part is seeing

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Speaker 4: leading up to the draft. Of understandably, so everyone kind

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Speaker 1: The eleven draft picks the most the Cardinals have had

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Speaker 4: you have eleven picks to have these players come in

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Speaker 1: And that's a good point. The reason the Cardinals had

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Speaker 1: of the injuries, especially on the defensive line and the

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Speaker 1: I fit in with this team. But on the subjects

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Speaker 1: of eleven picks, you and I spent some time together

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the scouting combine two months ago. Seems

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Speaker 1: almost seems longer than that considering how much we talked

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think it's you try to put every

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Speaker 4: Because that this draft has multiple positions where it's it's

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Speaker 1: For Jonathan Jones CBS Sports. You see him sometimes on Sundays,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so much that goes into deciding for a

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Speaker 1: They might just be a funky team all year around.

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Speaker 1: really like. So would it be a surprise? I think

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Speaker 1: it would be. But when you really think about it,

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Speaker 1: not that far fetched to see one of those four

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Speaker 6: Expect the unexpected, Craig, yes, and knowing the fact that

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Speaker 6: since you and I have been working together here with

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Speaker 6: the Arizona Cardinals, a lot of the unexpected has happened.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the first round, we've had trades,

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Speaker 1: we've had no picks at all. By the way, going

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Speaker 1: back to our original conversation about one, two, three, or

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Speaker 1: four first round picks to deal with on Friday, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to guarantee that there will be at least one

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Speaker 1: first round pick. We will not have a repeat performance

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Speaker 1: when the Cardinals loan pick was traded to the Baltimore

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Speaker 1: Ravens for Hollywood Brown.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would feel pretty confident in that one as well.

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Speaker 1: But we just don't know exactly what maniasin Ford will

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Speaker 1: do right now. As we go back to our time

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, another one of the

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Speaker 1: experts that we had a chance to sit down and

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Speaker 1: get some knowledge from, Lance Zerlin, NFL Network Draft analyst

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Speaker 1: asked him what he expects from montiasin Fort.

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Speaker 3: It could go trader money again.

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Speaker 7: Where you move back, and you keep adding to your

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Speaker 7: draft capital so that you can maneuver around and get

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Speaker 7: the guys you like. I don't think it's be the

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Speaker 7: worst idea in the world that the Giants got itchy

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Speaker 7: for a quarterback and they went from six to four.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'd be willing to do that deal, and

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Speaker 7: I'm still gonna get my hands on either Malik Neighbors

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Speaker 7: or Marvin Harrison Junior. Probably if New eng goes I

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Speaker 7: think quarterback. Quarterback is one two. If New England goes quarterback,

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Speaker 7: then to me, it's an easy wide receiver pick. Who's

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Speaker 7: your favorite elite Neighbors, Roma Dunze or Marvin Harrison Junior

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Speaker 7: at four, which I do think there's a little more

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Speaker 7: variety of opinions on that than the fan bases understand.

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Speaker 7: It's not automatically Marvin Harrison Junior. And then beyond that,

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Speaker 7: if you really want to play the game, you can say, Okay,

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Speaker 7: we'll trade back to let's say six, and we'll let

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Speaker 7: you take your quarterback there. You want to know exactly

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Speaker 7: who they're taking before you make the move. You pick

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Speaker 7: up draft capital, maybe a second round pick, and then

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Speaker 7: that allows you to get your wide receiver at six,

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Speaker 7: either Neighbors or Marvin Harrison Junior probably, and then you

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Speaker 7: come flying up from a second round with your additional pick,

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Speaker 7: maybe two seconds, and you go get a tackle.

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Speaker 3: So you can play it both ways.

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Speaker 7: When you're able to trade back and be smart about

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Speaker 7: it in that draft capital, you can really maneuver the

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Speaker 7: draft and play the draft game on draft day intelligently.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't just end on the first round.

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Speaker 7: I mean second, third rounds are This is where teams

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Speaker 7: are built on Day two as well.

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Speaker 4: So I'm saying if the Cardinals don't, if they do

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Speaker 4: trade back but not too far, you would still prioritize

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Speaker 4: a wide receiver the way things fall over a.

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Speaker 7: Tackle, absolutely, because that means that there would be four

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Speaker 7: quarterbacks boomoom boom bom boom like that. And to me,

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Speaker 7: the two best players in the draft are wide receivers.

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Speaker 7: I think Marvin Harrison Junior and for me, Malik Neighbors.

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Speaker 7: Those are the two best players in the draft. So yeah,

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Speaker 7: I get the best player in the draft who happens

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Speaker 7: to be a huge position to need, and I'll lean

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Speaker 7: on leveraging your need for a quarterback, like what the

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Speaker 7: Texans when they had to do what they did. I'll

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Speaker 7: leverage that to go get a draft pick out of

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Speaker 7: you and then maneuver around if I want to to

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Speaker 7: go handle another position of need.

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Speaker 1: Again, that was two months ago, and you're hearing a

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Speaker 1: lot of the same thing. You're hearing more of what

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Speaker 1: Lands their line had a chance to talk to us

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Speaker 1: about back in Indianapolis at the scouting combine. Quote, it's

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Speaker 1: not automatically Marvin Harrison Junior. There is a segment out

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Speaker 1: there scouts team personnel that do not have MHJ as

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Speaker 1: number one.

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Speaker 4: You say that confidently, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: There is I mean it's not thirty.

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Speaker 4: It's not unanimous, Okay, right, but I don't also know

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Speaker 4: that it's split into thirds. Oh yeah, So like clarify

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Speaker 4: that of like, yeah, it might not be unanimous, but realistically,

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Speaker 4: majority of the teams probably have Marvin Harrison Junior as

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Speaker 4: their top receiver. After that, it's it's kind of finding

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Speaker 4: the little things of if one really fits better with

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Speaker 4: your system, your quarterback, what you're trying to do, and

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Speaker 4: just yeah, a quick reminder of this was two months ago.

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Speaker 4: So when talking about a tackle as a need right

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Speaker 4: after signing Jonah Williams. That's not so much as high

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Speaker 4: of a need as it was at the time at

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Speaker 4: the combine. Not saying the Cardinals it wouldn't make sense

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Speaker 4: to maybe take a tackle later on in the first

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Speaker 4: round or top of two, but just as a reminder

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Speaker 4: hearing that it's not going to.

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Speaker 1: Be a number four option. Yes, you're not drafting a

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Speaker 1: tackle at number four, but at eleven, twelve, thirteen, absolutely

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Speaker 1: I would certainly consider drafting an offensive tackle. The wide

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Speaker 1: receiver discussion is fascinating because you're right, it's not fifty

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Speaker 1: to fifty. But is it seventy five percent of the

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Speaker 1: league believes MHJ is number one? Is it more than that?

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Speaker 1: Is in less than that? And then where do the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fall in that category? Do they have MSJ number one?

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Speaker 1: I've said it a lot, Danny, because if the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: do stick and pick and Marvin Harrison is on the

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Speaker 1: board and he is not the selection, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: feel real bad for Paul Calvic, even worse than when

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Speaker 1: I talk about the weather situation and what he might

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Speaker 1: deal with on the road.

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Speaker 4: Look again, fans are entitled to get attached to a

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Speaker 4: player and love a player from what you see, but

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Speaker 4: again reminder, there's a lot that goes in to a

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Speaker 4: decision and they're allowed to feel how they feel. But

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Speaker 4: just keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: And as Mani told the Assay media a week ago,

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Speaker 1: you'd never fall in love with a player. You have

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Speaker 1: conviction about a player that you're selecting at that particular time.

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Speaker 1: And many of the fan base not only have they

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Speaker 1: fallen in love, they have all kinds of conviction about

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Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior. By the way, I mentioned Paul. You

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Speaker 1: can hang out with Paul Calvic at the draft party

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Speaker 1: on Thursday at the Great Lawn outside of State Farms Stadium, Thursday,

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Speaker 1: April twenty fifth, four to nine Cardinals cheerleaders Cardinals players.

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Speaker 1: There'll be a post draft fireworks show. Admission parking are free,

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Speaker 1: you do need to sign up. They'll go to Azycardinals

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Speaker 1: dot com Forward Slash Draft Party, that is Azycardinals dot

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Speaker 1: com Forward Slash Draft Party, and then we'll get a

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Speaker 1: first hand account of how things went on Friday during

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Speaker 1: our Draft Central show at three pm on the Arizona

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Speaker 1: Cardinals official YouTube channel, also online and also on x

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Speaker 1: formerly known as tow to Call That.

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Speaker 4: Lots of articles cover two podcasts, lots and lots of

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Speaker 4: coverage on Azycardinals dot Com, are social channels and official

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Speaker 4: YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: There'll be a lot of work, but it's been a

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Speaker 1: long time talking about it, and for all the.

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Speaker 4: People commenting, yeah, enough speculation, I mean, duh, we feel

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Speaker 4: the same way. But the draft is approaching, so sorry.

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Speaker 1: All right, one more item of speculation, man, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to hold you to it. What do you think

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Speaker 1: happens Thursday night? Roger Goodell says the Arizona Cardinals are

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Speaker 1: on the clock.

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Speaker 4: I think the Cardinals stay at four, and I think

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Speaker 4: they take Marvin Harrison Junior, and from there, I'm kind

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Speaker 4: of up in the air. I'm not fully set that

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals stay at twenty seven. I could see I

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Speaker 4: could see a trade up from twenty seven in the

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Speaker 4: first round to really get a player that the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: have their eye on, or somehow doing a bundle and

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Speaker 4: training up from the second I'm not sure, but that

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Speaker 4: I feel more set in my gut that they will

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Speaker 4: stick and pick at four, and if there's movement in

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Speaker 4: the first round, it's going to be based around twenty.

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Speaker 1: Seven, moving up a couple of spots, maybe jumping to

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty to land a cornerback or an edge rusher

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Speaker 1: that perhaps drops because quarterbacks go high, wide receivers go high,

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Speaker 1: offensive tackles go high, pushing those defensive players at two

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Speaker 1: positions of need for the Arizona Cardinals going into.

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Speaker 4: This season, right, but players they probably don't expect to

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Speaker 4: slide to twenty seven. And since you have the capitol

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Speaker 4: and you have the conviction, to move up for one

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Speaker 4: of these players rather than wait, that's what my gut is.

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Speaker 1: Telling me, and not just to do it as the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're on opposite sides. My gut is and

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Speaker 1: it's legit. I do think Mani is going to get

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Speaker 1: that offer that is just too good to pass, whether

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Speaker 1: that's to six and you still get one of those

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. To me, that would be the most beneficial scenario, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you're not leaving the first round without a true

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Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. Provided the Cardinals believe that all

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Speaker 1: three Marvin Rison, Junior, Malik Neighbors, and Roma Dunze are

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Speaker 1: that generational talents at the position. And then if you

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Speaker 1: drop to eleven, twelve or thirteen, can Moni do it again?

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Speaker 1: Can he move back up to seven to eight, to nine,

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Speaker 1: maybe even to five and work the magic and then

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Speaker 1: we can all see it on the new episode of Cardinals'

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Speaker 1: Flight Plan and just how calm money is. And you

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Speaker 1: have JG and you have Michael Bidwell just sitting there

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Speaker 1: smiling much like us, reacting in real time in awe

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Speaker 1: of someone worked the phones. And again that was a

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Speaker 1: product of those ten particular minutes, but it was week's

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Speaker 1: worth of work to allow Money to be so calm

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Speaker 1: in that moment a year ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would definitely look that wouldn't surprise me. I

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Speaker 4: would definitely make for an interesting and entertaining night.

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Speaker 1: I won't hold any of us to those scenarios. But

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Speaker 1: in other words, just be on your toes.

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Speaker 4: I can do that much, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And again the Draft Central show coming up on Friday

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Speaker 1: three pm on the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube channel. Myself Danny,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna let Paul join. Is that the okay?

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Speaker 1: Just for the heck of it?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: Okay, put them to work as well, all right, bird Gang,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is it. I mean, the next time

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Speaker 1: we speak to you here on Cardinals Cover two or

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Speaker 1: any other platform that matter, we're gonna know and we

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Speaker 1: can actually talk about real players in this building that

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Speaker 1: can help the Arizona Cardinals get to the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: hopefully an extended postseason run.

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Speaker 4: It's about time.

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Speaker 1: Amen to that, and on that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lit on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Yundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim al Monro our

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Speaker 1: associate producer Cody Fincher. For Danny Sirek, I'm Craig Real Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two.