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Speaker 1: Just when you think humanity's achieved all it can achieve,

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Speaker 2: I think about this because I saw this just a

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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, this discussion is being bad about in

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Speaker 2: saying is roughly but how is how is it going

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Speaker 2: to affect the actual sex workers this.

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Speaker 1: There won't be any need for them, all right. Just

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Speaker 1: have an AI creation that's your your particular dream girl

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Speaker 1: you swing.

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Speaker 2: God dang it, it's it's possible. The future, and by

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Speaker 2: the future, I mean next year is going to be

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Speaker 2: so weird and disturbing that we can can't even hardly

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Speaker 2: function as a as a beast anymore humans.

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Speaker 1: Through and this will be my final comment. Through most

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Speaker 1: of my life, both childhood and adult, I've thought what

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Speaker 1: was going to end mankind would be a nuclear holocaust.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm feeling like they're four or five competing scenarios

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Speaker 1: for how humans cease to exist or at least become

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Speaker 1: no more significant to a species on Earth than say

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Speaker 2: A whole bunch of people alone in their homes on

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Speaker 2: fentanyl having AI sex. Yeah, it sounds like a good

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Speaker 2: future for a species.

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Speaker 4: Sounds very fulfilling. Yeah right, tell you what.

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Speaker 1: There are basic precepts that every major religion and religion

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Speaker 1: and philosophy share. I would suggest you figure out what

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Speaker 1: they are and live your life according to them.

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Speaker 3: You will be happier.

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden's AI request AI porn requests, Oh come on,

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Speaker 5: I want Greta Garbo's head on a woman showing some

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Speaker 5: bare ankle.

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Speaker 4: That I had a kef care.

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Speaker 2: Whoah, Well, I guess that's it.