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Speaker 1: Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle is

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Speaker 1: a production of the NFL and iHeart podcasts.

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Speaker 2: We got Lost, Just say.

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Speaker 3: We got lost?

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Speaker 4: Just say.

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Speaker 3: What begger? And we hope you stay because we got lost?

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Speaker 5: Just say, yeah, we got lost.

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Speaker 3: Just say here's Bobby.

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Speaker 5: That everybody welcome to the show. Ay.

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Speaker 6: Question, when you've played and I know, the culture of

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Speaker 6: jersey swapping and signing wasn't a thing, at least not

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Speaker 6: as outwardly.

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Speaker 7: Did you guys do that? Did you have anybody's jersey

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Speaker 7: from when you played against?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 7: Can I get your jersey?

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Speaker 5: No? I'm thinking back, I would have probably liked to

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Speaker 5: try to get some of these guys that I played

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Speaker 5: against and opponents that you just have a ton of

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Speaker 5: respect for. But it really didn't come become popular until

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Speaker 5: later in my career when some of these younger guys

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Speaker 5: started to go out and swap jerseys and do all that.

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Speaker 5: And I thought, man, that I really missed the boat

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Speaker 5: on that one. What I had a stacked up jersey case,

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Speaker 5: you know.

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Speaker 6: If he could go back and get one, yeah, oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's good.

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Speaker 5: I mean far as I've said multiple times on this

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Speaker 5: show that he was just my childhood hero. One of

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Speaker 5: those guys that I'd watch religiously had the Brett fav

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Speaker 5: cleats in high school, you know, just and then also

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Speaker 5: it goes back to my playing days when my first

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Speaker 5: start in New England in the NFL was against the

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Speaker 5: Jets and Brett Favre was a quarterback and he was

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Speaker 5: the first guy to come up right after the game,

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Speaker 5: really excited for you. That was such a big moment

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Speaker 5: for me.

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Speaker 7: Did he know you were a fan or was he

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Speaker 7: just that person?

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Speaker 5: He was just that person. He had that type of

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Speaker 5: polarizing personality that it was infectious and you could tell,

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Speaker 5: like the way he played on the field was also

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Speaker 5: how he interacted with you before the game after the game,

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Speaker 5: and so that was cool to see that in person

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Speaker 5: and actually have him come up because I really hadn't

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's cool.

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Speaker 5: It was pretty cool.

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Speaker 6: I did a deal once where I went up and

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Speaker 6: I worked out with the Cardinals and we were just

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Speaker 6: shooting some content and I'm a Cubs fan, so it's

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Speaker 6: weird for me to wear anything Cardinals, but also I'm

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Speaker 6: an adult now, so it's fine.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, I'm not a game.

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Speaker 6: It's not as romantic as I'm never wearing Cardinals, although

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Speaker 6: I'd still really struggle putting on at Texas Longhorns anything.

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Speaker 7: But you know what, oh Arkansas.

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Speaker 5: Oh man.

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Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, it's inside of me.

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Speaker 6: But I go up and we are shooting the stuff

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Speaker 6: and Paul Golschmidt comes out, who's not with the Yankees,

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Speaker 6: and he's had an awesome career probably will be a

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Speaker 6: Hall of Famer, and we're interviewing him and he was like,

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Speaker 6: you know, I used to listen to you when I

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Speaker 6: to you in college when I was playing baseball. And

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Speaker 6: I was like, no way goes Yeah, we listen to

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Speaker 6: you every morning, like, And so I took the microphone.

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Speaker 7: This is such a stupid story, but I like it already.

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Speaker 6: I took the microphone I was using and small flex here,

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Speaker 6: but I was the youngest person ever put into the

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Speaker 6: it's really small, and so I signed it and then

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Speaker 6: I traded him a signed microphone for one of his

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Speaker 6: sign bats.

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Speaker 5: That's cool.

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Speaker 7: It was fun and he thought it was funny.

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Speaker 6: And so I still have the Paul Golschmidt signed bat

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Speaker 6: from his locker.

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Speaker 5: That's rad. Yeah, And that's a good exchange right there.

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Speaker 5: See that.

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Speaker 6: And so I told him, I said, you're getting a

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Speaker 6: luckily he's a good sport. Have you watched any of

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Speaker 6: the Quarterback series on Netflix.

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Speaker 5: I've watched a little bit of it.

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Speaker 7: Have you watched season one or season two or both?

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Speaker 5: I think it was season one with Mahomes Mariota. Was

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Speaker 5: Cousins in that one as well. Yes, he was in

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Speaker 7: Right, So Cousins is still on this season on this season?

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Speaker 6: So, and I watched sum of season one. I felt

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Speaker 6: But it did make me like Kirk Cousins because he

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Speaker 6: but it made me like Kirk Cousins right.

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Speaker 5: He's a straight laced, really good dude, like solid dude,

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Speaker 5: solid human being, right, and there's no ego involved. He's

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Speaker 5: And you can definitely see that as the season goes on,

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Speaker 5: you just see the byproduct of all the hard work

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Speaker 6: There's a scene in this season where it's Kirk Cousins's

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Speaker 7: You've been waiting for this.

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Speaker 6: How common is it that one quarterback would do something

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Speaker 5: You know, I had a similar situation, I believe when

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Speaker 5: I sat out one week. Brady started that week, and

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Speaker 5: And look, at the end of the day, I'm going

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Speaker 5: You can openly see it on their face in which

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously a kid that hadn't started since high school

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Speaker 5: and give him confidence. Because he handled me differently than

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Speaker 5: He didn't ride me as much. He definitely held me

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Speaker 5: we think that that that'll be enough. And so I

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Speaker 5: think that that dynamic would be interesting. And then there's

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Speaker 5: also the Brady Castle relationship throughout the course. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 5: you talk to you right after that about cover two

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Speaker 5: that relationship, and I think it was an interesting dynamic

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Speaker 6: So when they trade a franchise player, they're trading the

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Speaker 7: I'm texting with Jeff Pearlman. Jeff, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 7: Would that be your title there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Matt, you should be warned. You're gonna now

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do a final proud.

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Speaker 4: You know you knew chap Did you know Chapman growing up?

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Speaker 2: Oh and they have to write a you know, two

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Speaker 2: Wait, I don't remember who went second in the draft.

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Speaker 2: It was you never do you know Marcus Latimore? Marcus

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Speaker 4: But so you I.

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Speaker 7: Didn't know there was a projection list. I told Jeff,

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Speaker 7: The grade was good?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she got a I mean, you know, you were

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Speaker 7: I have said, and it was a very hot take,

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Speaker 6: Nobody wants to touch it that I think Barry Bonds

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in you have to throw in

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Speaker 4: You couldn't pitch to him. I mean, the ultimate moment.

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Speaker 2: For me was they were playing the Diamondbacks, bases reloaded

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think juice counts because it was just what

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Speaker 6: Well you can do is walk him or you could

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Speaker 5: Because of the performance enhancing performance enhancing aspect to his career,

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Speaker 6: So and this is my last Bonds question, but where

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00:19:22,896 --> 00:19:26,616
Speaker 6: do you think that is base like what's the truck?

442
00:19:26,656 --> 00:19:29,056
Speaker 6: Because I might have some traits about me that are great,

443
00:19:29,096 --> 00:19:30,656
Speaker 6: some that are awful based on how I grew up

444
00:19:30,656 --> 00:19:32,735
Speaker 6: and the circumstances I grew up in not good, but

445
00:19:32,816 --> 00:19:37,176
Speaker 6: have made me really strong in some ways and at

446
00:19:37,256 --> 00:19:40,096
Speaker 6: times like my human emotional intelligence isn't great.

447
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Speaker 7: But where did what happened in Barry Bonds's life?

448
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Speaker 6: Do you think, because you spent all this time learning

449
00:19:45,816 --> 00:19:47,495
Speaker 6: about him and talking to people that knew him from

450
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Speaker 6: all ages, why did he become a.

451
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Speaker 4: I think it's a great question.

452
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Speaker 2: Actually, I think a lot of what happened with Bonds

453
00:19:55,016 --> 00:19:57,975
Speaker 2: has to do with being raised. So his dad, Bobby Bonds,

454
00:19:58,016 --> 00:20:00,736
Speaker 2: was a major league star. The other primary mayor role

455
00:20:00,776 --> 00:20:02,936
Speaker 2: model in his life who someone called his godfather.

456
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Speaker 4: Was Willie Mays.

457
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Speaker 2: And those two guys when they were playing baseball, it

458
00:20:06,975 --> 00:20:09,215
Speaker 2: was the era where the blackball players should just be

459
00:20:09,256 --> 00:20:12,576
Speaker 2: grateful for being here. And if a blackball player needed

460
00:20:12,576 --> 00:20:14,255
Speaker 2: a day off, he was a complainer. He was a

461
00:20:14,256 --> 00:20:16,856
Speaker 2: maligner for blackball player, asked for more and more, for

462
00:20:16,936 --> 00:20:20,336
Speaker 2: more money, he was ungrateful, you know, et cetera, et cetera.

463
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Speaker 2: And I really think Barry saw from those guys understandably

464
00:20:24,696 --> 00:20:27,576
Speaker 2: that like baseball wasn't going to treat you that well,

465
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Speaker 2: and you had to be your own guy. You had

466
00:20:29,735 --> 00:20:31,816
Speaker 2: to be resilient, you had to be a batter. You

467
00:20:31,816 --> 00:20:33,896
Speaker 2: couldn't take anything at face value. These guys were going

468
00:20:33,975 --> 00:20:35,856
Speaker 2: to pay your lip service, but they really weren't going

469
00:20:35,896 --> 00:20:38,336
Speaker 2: to treat you well. And I just think from Bonds

470
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Speaker 2: from Willie Mays, from being growing up in the clubhouse

471
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Speaker 2: around these guys, he developed a very severe shell that

472
00:20:45,576 --> 00:20:47,856
Speaker 2: came off in very prickly ways. I mean, Willie Mays

473
00:20:48,096 --> 00:20:49,775
Speaker 2: was not a fun guy to deal with. He was

474
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Speaker 2: a joyful baseball player. Willie Mays was kind of the

475
00:20:52,416 --> 00:20:54,296
Speaker 2: same way. Bobby Bond was kind of the same way.

476
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Speaker 2: They just developed a prickliness that didn't turn off Jeeff.

477
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Speaker 5: You wrote the book Boys Will Be Boys, and it

478
00:21:00,096 --> 00:21:02,576
Speaker 5: was about the glory days of part Knights of Dallas Cowboys.

479
00:21:02,616 --> 00:21:05,335
Speaker 5: Now we all have heard these stories of the night

480
00:21:05,416 --> 00:21:08,616
Speaker 5: nineteen nineties cowboys and their partying ways. When you think

481
00:21:08,656 --> 00:21:12,016
Speaker 5: about those teams with all those different personalities, and then

482
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Speaker 5: I think at Jimmy Johnson, right, and he kind of

483
00:21:14,376 --> 00:21:18,056
Speaker 5: let them be themselves. How much of a role did

484
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Speaker 5: he play in the success of keeping that group together

485
00:21:20,975 --> 00:21:22,856
Speaker 5: and being able to go out and actually perform on

486
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Speaker 5: Sundays with all the chaos going on outside the building.

487
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Speaker 2: So he was, it's kind of amazing, like their first

488
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl run. This is like Jimmy Johnson nuts out

489
00:21:32,735 --> 00:21:35,656
Speaker 2: their first Super Bowl run. They play a playoff game

490
00:21:35,816 --> 00:21:39,176
Speaker 2: against the Chicago Bears and they're winning big and laid

491
00:21:39,215 --> 00:21:42,615
Speaker 2: in the game, Jimmy Johnson inserts their backup running back

492
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Speaker 2: to him at Smith. This a guy named Curvin Richards

493
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Speaker 2: who had been a star pitch. I think he'd been

494
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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick the Cowboys. They insert him in

495
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Speaker 2: the game. Playoff game, Cowboys are winning dig insignificant fourth quarter,

496
00:21:53,975 --> 00:21:59,736
Speaker 2: Curvin Richards fumbles twice, and after the game, Jimmy Johnson

497
00:22:00,136 --> 00:22:03,455
Speaker 2: goes into Jerry Jones's office and says, I want to

498
00:22:03,455 --> 00:22:07,696
Speaker 2: cut Curvin Richards and Jimmy and Jerry Jones says, well,

499
00:22:07,735 --> 00:22:09,376
Speaker 2: it's too late. We can't cut him because we can't

500
00:22:09,376 --> 00:22:12,736
Speaker 2: replace his roster spot. I don't give a crap, we're

501
00:22:12,735 --> 00:22:14,176
Speaker 2: cutting that guy. I don't want that guy on my

502
00:22:14,215 --> 00:22:16,496
Speaker 2: team anymore. And he's like, are you sure you're gonna

503
00:22:16,536 --> 00:22:19,736
Speaker 2: have a man short cut him, and they cut Curvin Richards.

504
00:22:20,176 --> 00:22:24,455
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like Jimmy Johnson hated Curvin Richards. His

505
00:22:24,576 --> 00:22:26,536
Speaker 2: number one thing was I want to send a message

506
00:22:26,856 --> 00:22:29,376
Speaker 2: right to my team that like, I will do this

507
00:22:29,455 --> 00:22:30,896
Speaker 2: to you and the other thing he did that I like,

508
00:22:30,975 --> 00:22:33,015
Speaker 2: I don't know, kind of actually interested how you had

509
00:22:33,016 --> 00:22:35,856
Speaker 2: this in your career, Like he made it very clear,

510
00:22:36,376 --> 00:22:38,735
Speaker 2: I am not treating all of you the same, like

511
00:22:39,336 --> 00:22:43,856
Speaker 2: Trey Iigman, Emmett Smith, Charles Hally, Darren Woodson will get

512
00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:46,856
Speaker 2: better treatment than Clayton Holmes and Kevin Smith.

513
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Speaker 4: Like that's just the way it is.

514
00:22:48,656 --> 00:22:51,255
Speaker 2: And you guys need to know that with stardom comes

515
00:22:51,296 --> 00:22:54,656
Speaker 2: better treatment and more empathy and more understanding. And I

516
00:22:54,696 --> 00:22:57,335
Speaker 2: actually think the players who are lower on the totem

517
00:22:57,336 --> 00:23:00,056
Speaker 2: pole responded to that with fear fighting for your job

518
00:23:00,096 --> 00:23:03,056
Speaker 2: all the time, and the players like Aikman just felt

519
00:23:03,056 --> 00:23:04,896
Speaker 2: comfort in knowing that their coach out their back.

520
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's uncommon or not. You would actually

521
00:23:07,056 --> 00:23:07,336
Speaker 4: know better.

522
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Speaker 5: Well, it's interesting because I played for Bill Belichick, and

523
00:23:09,656 --> 00:23:13,656
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick always treated everybody equally and nobody really got

524
00:23:14,136 --> 00:23:17,096
Speaker 5: special treatment. And I'm talking about from Brady to Randy Moss.

525
00:23:17,136 --> 00:23:18,816
Speaker 5: If you did something in a game that you need

526
00:23:18,816 --> 00:23:20,656
Speaker 5: to be called out for, he'd call you out in

527
00:23:20,656 --> 00:23:23,336
Speaker 5: front of the entire team. And so it was always

528
00:23:23,416 --> 00:23:25,735
Speaker 5: this interesting dynamic because you definitely felt it as a

529
00:23:25,776 --> 00:23:27,376
Speaker 5: young guy that you've got to step up, but you're

530
00:23:27,416 --> 00:23:29,856
Speaker 5: going to be held accountable in every phase. Now, other

531
00:23:29,896 --> 00:23:34,736
Speaker 5: coaches operate differently, and by that I mean same thing

532
00:23:34,735 --> 00:23:38,055
Speaker 5: that you just kind of discussed was certain players have

533
00:23:38,176 --> 00:23:42,576
Speaker 5: earned the right to not be thrown under the fire

534
00:23:42,616 --> 00:23:45,456
Speaker 5: in front of the team, maybe talk to individually or

535
00:23:45,536 --> 00:23:48,735
Speaker 5: have a discussion on the side, whereas the younger players

536
00:23:48,735 --> 00:23:51,896
Speaker 5: were the guys that were going to get most of

537
00:23:51,975 --> 00:23:54,936
Speaker 5: the criticism in those meetings. So it was all based

538
00:23:54,975 --> 00:23:57,136
Speaker 5: on the coach and what you would see. But Bill

539
00:23:57,176 --> 00:23:58,775
Speaker 5: Belichick did it completely different.

540
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting.

541
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Speaker 6: What about like Todd Hayley or what about there's other

542
00:24:02,696 --> 00:24:03,576
Speaker 6: coaches you had.

543
00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:05,136
Speaker 7: Were they different than Belichick in that way?

544
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Speaker 5: Not so much like I remember Todd Haley. This is

545
00:24:08,576 --> 00:24:12,056
Speaker 5: a funny story. Jackie Battle was on kickoff team and

546
00:24:12,096 --> 00:24:13,856
Speaker 5: we had a kickoff or it was a punt team,

547
00:24:13,936 --> 00:24:17,015
Speaker 5: excuse me, and the ball was a touchback. Jackie Battle

548
00:24:17,016 --> 00:24:19,735
Speaker 5: wasn't even around the ball, but Todd thought that he

549
00:24:19,856 --> 00:24:21,336
Speaker 5: was the guy that was supposed to block it and

550
00:24:21,416 --> 00:24:24,136
Speaker 5: get us to get a little down ball inside the

551
00:24:24,176 --> 00:24:26,416
Speaker 5: ten yard line. Well, he's running off the sideline and

552
00:24:26,455 --> 00:24:28,216
Speaker 5: Jackie doesn't know what's going on. He can see Todd

553
00:24:28,296 --> 00:24:31,936
Speaker 5: yelling him. He's like, Jackie, you're just cut tomorrow. You're

554
00:24:32,016 --> 00:24:35,376
Speaker 5: cut tomorrow. And to Todd's credit, the next day he

555
00:24:35,416 --> 00:24:38,936
Speaker 5: found out it wasn't even Jackie battle it was another player,

556
00:24:39,455 --> 00:24:41,535
Speaker 5: and so he went up and said, Jackie, don'torry, your

557
00:24:41,856 --> 00:24:45,376
Speaker 5: job's safe for now because I realized that wasn't even you.

558
00:24:45,455 --> 00:24:47,215
Speaker 5: But I mean, he's coming off the field in the

559
00:24:47,215 --> 00:24:49,215
Speaker 5: first quarter of a game yell at him, you're cut,

560
00:24:49,296 --> 00:24:51,975
Speaker 5: your cut. So was he kind of had the same

561
00:24:52,096 --> 00:24:54,215
Speaker 5: He came from that parcels tree where he's gonna get

562
00:24:54,256 --> 00:24:56,255
Speaker 5: after you. He's gonna ride you, he's going to make

563
00:24:56,296 --> 00:24:59,855
Speaker 5: sure that you're accountable like that. So it's all based

564
00:24:59,896 --> 00:25:01,775
Speaker 5: on where these guys come from, in the pedigree that

565
00:25:01,816 --> 00:25:02,696
Speaker 5: they grew up in.

566
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Speaker 6: With all the athletes that you've written, and you've written

567
00:25:05,455 --> 00:25:07,216
Speaker 6: a lot of books and a lot of great athletes.

568
00:25:07,256 --> 00:25:08,775
Speaker 6: And I use the word athlete because I'm gonna ask

569
00:25:08,816 --> 00:25:13,055
Speaker 6: about Bo Jackson. Was Bo Jackson the best athlete of

570
00:25:13,136 --> 00:25:15,696
Speaker 6: all of the athletes that you've covered, or did he

571
00:25:15,816 --> 00:25:16,736
Speaker 6: just choose wisely?

572
00:25:18,256 --> 00:25:18,456
Speaker 7: Oh?

573
00:25:18,576 --> 00:25:22,495
Speaker 2: No, there's no there's no close second. There's no close second.

574
00:25:22,576 --> 00:25:25,495
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds fixed No, Okay, I acknowledge it

575
00:25:25,536 --> 00:25:27,975
Speaker 2: sounds fixed on. You're in a four to one three

576
00:25:28,136 --> 00:25:31,976
Speaker 2: forty at Auburn and he was two hundred and twenty

577
00:25:31,975 --> 00:25:34,495
Speaker 2: pounds in a track star. He shows up at the

578
00:25:34,576 --> 00:25:38,095
Speaker 2: Raiders and he puts on pads and Tom Flores as

579
00:25:38,136 --> 00:25:41,136
Speaker 2: a coach, and he's like, let's have you do a

580
00:25:41,215 --> 00:25:44,976
Speaker 2: forty almost for entertainment, and you're in a a four

581
00:25:45,016 --> 00:25:48,055
Speaker 2: to one nine, and they didn't believe it, so they

582
00:25:48,136 --> 00:25:49,535
Speaker 2: laid it out again and you're in a four to

583
00:25:49,576 --> 00:25:53,055
Speaker 2: one seven, Like he was propositible. I always say like

584
00:25:53,056 --> 00:25:55,255
Speaker 2: this is what I always say. People are like, uh,

585
00:25:55,296 --> 00:25:57,136
Speaker 2: Bo Jackson, I'm like, all right, there have been other

586
00:25:57,336 --> 00:26:03,216
Speaker 2: tyreek Hill super fast, right? Whoever? Barry Bond's super powerful.

587
00:26:04,576 --> 00:26:07,696
Speaker 2: The clip of Barry climbing up the wall in Baltimore,

588
00:26:07,975 --> 00:26:11,136
Speaker 2: literally running toward the wall thinking I can either stop

589
00:26:11,176 --> 00:26:14,975
Speaker 2: and pop something, run forward, running up the wall, running

590
00:26:15,016 --> 00:26:19,336
Speaker 2: across the wall, running down the wall. There's no other

591
00:26:19,376 --> 00:26:22,336
Speaker 2: footage of any other human doing that ever. Like, literally,

592
00:26:22,536 --> 00:26:24,536
Speaker 2: there's one person who has climbed up a Major League

593
00:26:24,536 --> 00:26:27,416
Speaker 2: baseball wall during a game, run across the wall, and

594
00:26:27,495 --> 00:26:30,015
Speaker 2: run down the wall, and that's Bo Jackson. I always

595
00:26:30,016 --> 00:26:32,696
Speaker 2: say that to me, is the perfect embodiment of who

596
00:26:32,735 --> 00:26:34,976
Speaker 2: he was. He's the only human being on the planet

597
00:26:35,096 --> 00:26:36,975
Speaker 2: who could run up the wall, run across the wall.

598
00:26:37,296 --> 00:26:39,616
Speaker 2: He was just the unparalleled merging of power and strength

599
00:26:39,696 --> 00:26:42,055
Speaker 2: and strength and speed. Just there's no one like it.

600
00:26:42,495 --> 00:26:44,215
Speaker 5: How much money do you think he'd make in the

601
00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:46,576
Speaker 5: nil space now in today's college game?

602
00:26:47,215 --> 00:26:49,816
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean pick the max. He was playing

603
00:26:49,856 --> 00:26:52,376
Speaker 2: at Auburn. He was a super duper due. I mean,

604
00:26:52,376 --> 00:26:54,376
Speaker 2: it's funny like he was. You know, they're all getting

605
00:26:54,376 --> 00:26:56,975
Speaker 2: paid under the table back then, and in hindsight it

606
00:26:57,056 --> 00:27:01,136
Speaker 2: was his pennies he'd be. The one thing he lacked,

607
00:27:01,176 --> 00:27:03,016
Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing he actually lacked is charisma,

608
00:27:03,096 --> 00:27:04,936
Speaker 2: Like he was not a charismatic human being. He had

609
00:27:04,936 --> 00:27:07,176
Speaker 2: a stud he grew up with a stutter. It took

610
00:27:07,256 --> 00:27:09,896
Speaker 2: him a long time to feel confident talking. So I

611
00:27:09,896 --> 00:27:11,696
Speaker 2: don't know how great he would have been at that

612
00:27:11,776 --> 00:27:14,096
Speaker 2: stage in his life as a pitchman. Even if you

613
00:27:14,096 --> 00:27:17,216
Speaker 2: look at the bow Nos campaign Bono's Baseball, Bonos Football.

614
00:27:17,856 --> 00:27:19,376
Speaker 2: One of the great keys of that is you don't

615
00:27:19,416 --> 00:27:22,096
Speaker 2: have to say very much. It was a limited interactive

616
00:27:22,296 --> 00:27:24,696
Speaker 2: advertising series that worked wonders. So I think the one

617
00:27:24,696 --> 00:27:26,336
Speaker 2: thing he would trul like, he would not be a

618
00:27:26,455 --> 00:27:30,455
Speaker 2: TikTok superstar. He wouldn't be an Instagram superstar as a conversationalist.

619
00:27:30,936 --> 00:27:33,495
Speaker 2: But his athleticism was so freaky. The other thing is

620
00:27:33,536 --> 00:27:36,055
Speaker 2: it's a problem with nowadays, like a lot of bo

621
00:27:36,215 --> 00:27:38,016
Speaker 2: Jackson truly was the mythology of.

622
00:27:37,975 --> 00:27:41,016
Speaker 4: It all, Like he ran a four one three forty.

623
00:27:41,016 --> 00:27:42,656
Speaker 2: It has been documented, blah blah blah, but there is

624
00:27:42,696 --> 00:27:45,176
Speaker 2: no video of it, you know, like the people with

625
00:27:45,256 --> 00:27:47,256
Speaker 2: the Raiders swear they clocked him at four one nine

626
00:27:47,296 --> 00:27:48,856
Speaker 2: showed me the four to nine oclocking, but there's no

627
00:27:48,975 --> 00:27:51,696
Speaker 2: video of it. And there's something about seeing stuff that

628
00:27:51,735 --> 00:27:54,295
Speaker 2: actually removes the mythology of it all, Like once you

629
00:27:54,376 --> 00:27:56,735
Speaker 2: see it, it feels a little less. It's like Babe

630
00:27:56,735 --> 00:27:59,896
Speaker 2: Bruth's point to shots. The reason that's so mythological is

631
00:27:59,936 --> 00:28:01,696
Speaker 2: because we can't see it, And I feel like it's

632
00:28:01,696 --> 00:28:03,815
Speaker 2: the same thing with Bo Jackson, and once you splash

633
00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,575
Speaker 2: stuff on TikTok, it loses a little bit of like

634
00:28:06,656 --> 00:28:08,696
Speaker 2: shoe heyo tani. If he'd come along in the seventies,

635
00:28:09,016 --> 00:28:10,696
Speaker 2: we'd be talking about these things he did that you

636
00:28:10,735 --> 00:28:12,775
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe. But now we can see him and they

637
00:28:12,776 --> 00:28:15,576
Speaker 2: seem a little less believable, less amazing because we see him,

638
00:28:15,776 --> 00:28:16,536
Speaker 2: if that makes sense.

639
00:28:32,416 --> 00:28:36,815
Speaker 6: Because Bo Jackson was from a small town and he

640
00:28:36,856 --> 00:28:39,936
Speaker 6: played these sports young. Was he like playing shortstop and

641
00:28:39,976 --> 00:28:42,216
Speaker 6: pitching and playing quarterback and where they put the best

642
00:28:42,256 --> 00:28:45,176
Speaker 6: athletes and then eventually he ends up being a running

643
00:28:45,216 --> 00:28:46,096
Speaker 6: back and an outfielder.

644
00:28:47,096 --> 00:28:49,256
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a pitcher who threw in the nineties.

645
00:28:49,496 --> 00:28:52,456
Speaker 2: He had no control. He played shortstop in high school.

646
00:28:52,496 --> 00:28:54,416
Speaker 2: I think he had forty something eras at shortstop, Like

647
00:28:54,456 --> 00:28:58,496
Speaker 2: he had no glove at shortstop. Was drafted by the

648
00:28:58,576 --> 00:29:01,136
Speaker 2: Yankees a little bit with the idea of being a shortstop.

649
00:29:01,176 --> 00:29:05,376
Speaker 2: Never signed with the Yankees, didn't play basketball, sucked to basket.

650
00:29:05,456 --> 00:29:08,815
Speaker 2: While was obviously really good at football, played played on

651
00:29:08,816 --> 00:29:10,536
Speaker 2: the defense, play you know, he played both ways back

652
00:29:10,536 --> 00:29:14,376
Speaker 2: then obviously, and he was just really drafted more than anything.

653
00:29:14,376 --> 00:29:18,376
Speaker 2: As this is supernova athlete you know who could do everything,

654
00:29:18,416 --> 00:29:20,816
Speaker 2: but he couldn't play basketball, couldn' dribble a lick of basketball.

655
00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:22,496
Speaker 5: What do you think his career would have been if

656
00:29:22,536 --> 00:29:25,416
Speaker 5: he didn't get that injury to the hip against the Bengals?

657
00:29:25,576 --> 00:29:27,976
Speaker 5: What do you think the outlook of or the projection

658
00:29:28,096 --> 00:29:29,456
Speaker 5: of what he would have become.

659
00:29:30,776 --> 00:29:33,016
Speaker 2: So I think he was a better football player than

660
00:29:33,056 --> 00:29:35,856
Speaker 2: a baseball player. Like I think in football he probably

661
00:29:35,936 --> 00:29:37,815
Speaker 2: has an Eric Dicker. You know that he's on that

662
00:29:38,016 --> 00:29:40,335
Speaker 2: conversation with Eric Dickers and a Walter Payton and Marcus

663
00:29:40,336 --> 00:29:43,296
Speaker 2: Allen and all those guys. I think in baseball, his

664
00:29:43,416 --> 00:29:49,296
Speaker 2: thing about baseball was he never like he never because

665
00:29:49,336 --> 00:29:51,456
Speaker 2: he chose to play football. He never took the time

666
00:29:52,176 --> 00:29:54,256
Speaker 2: to learn the things in baseball you need to learn.

667
00:29:54,976 --> 00:29:58,896
Speaker 2: Pitch selection, reading the motion, reading a defense, looking where

668
00:29:58,896 --> 00:30:01,016
Speaker 2: the second basement is playing, none of that stuff at all.

669
00:30:01,336 --> 00:30:04,976
Speaker 2: So like physically he was compared to a Roberto Clemente

670
00:30:05,016 --> 00:30:09,656
Speaker 2: and Mike Out, a Mickey Mantle. I think realistically, if

671
00:30:09,656 --> 00:30:11,616
Speaker 2: he'd continued to play, he probably would have had a

672
00:30:11,616 --> 00:30:14,136
Speaker 2: Gary Sheffield type career, which is a great career and

673
00:30:14,216 --> 00:30:16,616
Speaker 2: a borderline Hall of Fame career. I think football was

674
00:30:16,616 --> 00:30:18,616
Speaker 2: definitely a better sport, but he was exceptional both. I

675
00:30:18,616 --> 00:30:20,176
Speaker 2: mean he's an All Star in baseball and a pro

676
00:30:20,216 --> 00:30:21,016
Speaker 2: bowler in football.

677
00:30:21,256 --> 00:30:22,536
Speaker 7: I do want to go over to Brett Favre.

678
00:30:22,896 --> 00:30:24,696
Speaker 6: A lot of people don't know about the car accident

679
00:30:25,576 --> 00:30:28,575
Speaker 6: that almost killed Brett, and you wrote about it in

680
00:30:28,616 --> 00:30:32,096
Speaker 6: your book. Tell us about that and just talk about

681
00:30:32,096 --> 00:30:34,016
Speaker 6: it from the beginning of bit, because again I didn't

682
00:30:34,016 --> 00:30:35,056
Speaker 6: know about it until I read it.

683
00:30:36,016 --> 00:30:39,096
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Wow, it was at Southern Miss. He

684
00:30:39,136 --> 00:30:41,496
Speaker 2: almost died. Like that's the thing people don't know about

685
00:30:41,496 --> 00:30:44,376
Speaker 2: Brett Farv. He almost died in a car accident, had

686
00:30:44,416 --> 00:30:46,856
Speaker 2: to miss. I forgot what year was. I wrote that

687
00:30:46,856 --> 00:30:48,456
Speaker 2: book a while and now I forgot what year.

688
00:30:48,496 --> 00:30:49,136
Speaker 4: Was he missed.

689
00:30:49,576 --> 00:30:52,896
Speaker 2: But the basic idea was he wouldn't play football again.

690
00:30:53,176 --> 00:30:55,656
Speaker 2: At first was he's not going to play this season.

691
00:30:56,256 --> 00:30:58,176
Speaker 2: Then it's like he's not going to play the end

692
00:30:58,216 --> 00:31:00,536
Speaker 2: of the season. But then five just shows up and

693
00:31:00,616 --> 00:31:04,976
Speaker 2: plays like the guy was Just say what you want

694
00:31:05,016 --> 00:31:07,056
Speaker 2: about there's a lot of good, there's a lot of bad.

695
00:31:07,736 --> 00:31:10,256
Speaker 2: Like what he developed at Southern Miss was his air

696
00:31:10,296 --> 00:31:13,576
Speaker 2: of indestructibility, you know, Like I mean, first, this is

697
00:31:13,616 --> 00:31:15,776
Speaker 2: off topic, a little but first game ever, he wasn't

698
00:31:15,816 --> 00:31:19,376
Speaker 2: even really on the depth chart and they're playing Toulane

699
00:31:19,376 --> 00:31:21,576
Speaker 2: and the coach throws him in late Favar Dad.

700
00:31:21,656 --> 00:31:23,776
Speaker 4: I think he said he had eighteen beers a night before.

701
00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,456
Speaker 2: And he's on the sideline and the head coach is like, Bret,

702
00:31:26,496 --> 00:31:29,576
Speaker 2: you're going in, and he vomits all over the sideline,

703
00:31:29,976 --> 00:31:32,856
Speaker 2: goes in and beats Tulane. Like, no matter what that

704
00:31:32,936 --> 00:31:37,016
Speaker 2: guy did, almost dying a car accident, eighteen beers waste

705
00:31:37,056 --> 00:31:39,575
Speaker 2: on the sideline, He's just always found a way. So

706
00:31:39,656 --> 00:31:41,376
Speaker 2: he was supposed to be dead and instead he winds

707
00:31:41,456 --> 00:31:42,016
Speaker 2: up just playing.

708
00:31:42,536 --> 00:31:45,896
Speaker 5: In your opinion, what was it about Farv that people

709
00:31:46,056 --> 00:31:49,536
Speaker 5: just gravitated to and drew them about his play on

710
00:31:49,576 --> 00:31:50,016
Speaker 5: the field.

711
00:31:51,656 --> 00:31:54,696
Speaker 2: You know what's funny, Like he just had this thing

712
00:31:54,776 --> 00:31:57,496
Speaker 2: like the years, I would say, the post retirement years

713
00:31:57,536 --> 00:32:00,096
Speaker 2: have not been kind to Brett Favre reputation wise. We

714
00:32:00,136 --> 00:32:04,056
Speaker 2: take the Jen Sturger thing, the Mississippi welfare thing. The

715
00:32:04,576 --> 00:32:06,336
Speaker 2: thing that was really interesting.

716
00:32:05,896 --> 00:32:07,256
Speaker 4: About him is like.

717
00:32:09,536 --> 00:32:13,016
Speaker 2: Guys just like felt him, Like you could believe you

718
00:32:13,016 --> 00:32:16,296
Speaker 2: could be a black wide receiver from LA, you could

719
00:32:16,296 --> 00:32:19,936
Speaker 2: be a running back from the sticks of Louisiana. He

720
00:32:20,056 --> 00:32:22,536
Speaker 2: had this way of really relating to people and this

721
00:32:22,736 --> 00:32:25,656
Speaker 2: awe shucks thing about relating to people, and also like

722
00:32:26,016 --> 00:32:28,016
Speaker 2: I will die for you, Like there are a million

723
00:32:28,016 --> 00:32:30,536
Speaker 2: clips of Brett Fire throwing these ridiculous blocks on like

724
00:32:30,656 --> 00:32:32,936
Speaker 2: end a rounds where a lot of quarterbacks might sind

725
00:32:32,976 --> 00:32:36,056
Speaker 2: a skirt out of the way a little bit. He

726
00:32:36,216 --> 00:32:38,696
Speaker 2: just would freaking die for you. That was the biggest thing.

727
00:32:38,576 --> 00:32:41,776
Speaker 4: About Farv, you know. And like he was factually likable.

728
00:32:42,016 --> 00:32:44,656
Speaker 2: He was beers after the game in an era where

729
00:32:44,656 --> 00:32:45,816
Speaker 2: I was fading out.

730
00:32:45,896 --> 00:32:47,336
Speaker 4: He was, Oh, you.

731
00:32:47,256 --> 00:32:49,176
Speaker 2: Want to hang out, Let's go duck hunting, Let's go here,

732
00:32:49,216 --> 00:32:52,696
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Black wide receivers love that guy. The

733
00:32:52,736 --> 00:32:55,736
Speaker 2: offensive lineman, the white guys who went hunting love that guy.

734
00:32:55,856 --> 00:32:59,416
Speaker 2: Like he had a very unique relatability. It's one of

735
00:32:59,496 --> 00:33:01,776
Speaker 2: the things I think that happened to Aaron Rodgers in

736
00:33:01,816 --> 00:33:03,576
Speaker 2: a way is he walked into a trap in Green

737
00:33:03,616 --> 00:33:05,976
Speaker 2: Bay because Aaron Rodgers isn't that guy. Wasn't that guy,

738
00:33:06,016 --> 00:33:08,336
Speaker 2: couldn't be that guy. But people were so used to

739
00:33:08,336 --> 00:33:10,416
Speaker 2: that guy in Fire. But there's only there are very

740
00:33:10,416 --> 00:33:12,496
Speaker 2: few guys like that, like a Terry Bradshaw, that.

741
00:33:12,416 --> 00:33:13,456
Speaker 5: Type of guy. You know.

742
00:33:13,736 --> 00:33:15,456
Speaker 6: We're just a few months out from the Tupac book

743
00:33:15,456 --> 00:33:17,056
Speaker 6: coming out, Why Tupac.

744
00:33:18,816 --> 00:33:18,976
Speaker 5: Love.

745
00:33:19,056 --> 00:33:23,456
Speaker 2: Tupac felt like there'd never been a definitive, definitive, definitive

746
00:33:23,976 --> 00:33:27,696
Speaker 2: interviewed six hundred and fifty people, dig fully into his life,

747
00:33:27,776 --> 00:33:30,896
Speaker 2: book written, I want to try something beyond sports, and

748
00:33:30,976 --> 00:33:33,696
Speaker 2: all my books have been sports, my career has been sports, and.

749
00:33:33,696 --> 00:33:34,536
Speaker 4: I just thought, here's the guy.

750
00:33:34,576 --> 00:33:37,696
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely fascinated by, a guy whose music speaks to me,

751
00:33:38,496 --> 00:33:40,216
Speaker 2: and I thought, why not a white sports writer?

752
00:33:40,456 --> 00:33:43,456
Speaker 4: You know, why not? That's the one thing my agent

753
00:33:43,496 --> 00:33:44,736
Speaker 4: said to me. I'm gonna be honest.

754
00:33:44,776 --> 00:33:48,736
Speaker 2: My agent's like, he's like, you know, there's gonna be

755
00:33:48,776 --> 00:33:50,416
Speaker 2: some people are going to be like, why a white

756
00:33:50,456 --> 00:33:51,016
Speaker 2: sports writer?

757
00:33:51,616 --> 00:33:52,976
Speaker 4: And I think it's a fair question.

758
00:33:53,696 --> 00:33:55,256
Speaker 2: And I just from the beginning, I'd be like, because

759
00:33:55,296 --> 00:33:57,536
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated by this guy, and there's a book out

760
00:33:57,536 --> 00:33:59,335
Speaker 2: there that I want to read that I haven't seen yet,

761
00:33:59,376 --> 00:34:00,416
Speaker 2: so I'm going to try writing it.

762
00:34:00,616 --> 00:34:02,936
Speaker 5: When you say you interviewed six hundred and fifty people,

763
00:34:03,016 --> 00:34:06,216
Speaker 5: which I believe you obviously, Yeah, talk to me about

764
00:34:06,256 --> 00:34:09,016
Speaker 5: how much information of that six hundred and fifty interviews.

765
00:34:09,056 --> 00:34:12,016
Speaker 5: You actually use or just use this cross referencing to

766
00:34:12,016 --> 00:34:14,776
Speaker 5: make sure that I am just it's so interesting to

767
00:34:14,816 --> 00:34:16,616
Speaker 5: me that you can go and go into that much

768
00:34:16,656 --> 00:34:19,456
Speaker 5: detail but take six hundred and fifty references for one book.

769
00:34:20,616 --> 00:34:21,776
Speaker 4: Yeah, it drives me crazy.

770
00:34:21,896 --> 00:34:22,896
Speaker 5: It's so like.

771
00:34:23,056 --> 00:34:25,976
Speaker 2: Example I use a lot is like, all right, Tubac

772
00:34:26,016 --> 00:34:28,216
Speaker 2: went to the Baltimore Score of Performing Arts for two years.

773
00:34:28,216 --> 00:34:31,616
Speaker 2: That was his high school, and I got all the yearbooks. Right,

774
00:34:31,816 --> 00:34:33,776
Speaker 2: So you go in there and you go name by

775
00:34:33,856 --> 00:34:36,056
Speaker 2: names of the yearbooks and you literally make a file

776
00:34:36,096 --> 00:34:41,816
Speaker 2: for everyone, not just as classmates, but everyone who is there, teachers, staff, janitors,

777
00:34:41,816 --> 00:34:44,696
Speaker 2: et cetera. And one by one you reach out to

778
00:34:44,736 --> 00:34:48,816
Speaker 2: these people and like, in a way, the best example

779
00:34:48,856 --> 00:34:53,016
Speaker 2: I use is like Brett Fire. Right, you work on

780
00:34:53,056 --> 00:34:55,256
Speaker 2: a Brett fire. This is my guiding principle in life. Actually,

781
00:34:55,216 --> 00:34:58,496
Speaker 2: as a journalist, Brett Fahre played all those years of football.

782
00:34:59,576 --> 00:35:01,616
Speaker 2: At some point there was a free agent running back

783
00:35:01,696 --> 00:35:05,456
Speaker 2: from Lehigh in training camp with the Packers. Right, he

784
00:35:05,496 --> 00:35:07,856
Speaker 2: was there for three weeks. Brett Favre isn't going to

785
00:35:07,896 --> 00:35:10,376
Speaker 2: remember anything. He probably wouldn't even remember that guy existed

786
00:35:10,416 --> 00:35:13,576
Speaker 2: Bob Jones from Lehigh. But Bob Jones from Lehigh is

787
00:35:13,616 --> 00:35:16,416
Speaker 2: going to remember the one time Brett Farev walked up

788
00:35:16,456 --> 00:35:19,416
Speaker 2: to him and offered him a bag of pringles, Right,

789
00:35:19,696 --> 00:35:21,496
Speaker 2: Bob Jones is going to remember that for the rest

790
00:35:21,496 --> 00:35:23,896
Speaker 2: of his life. The free agent from Lehigh who's telling

791
00:35:23,936 --> 00:35:26,336
Speaker 2: that story at family reunions, barbecues, etc.

792
00:35:26,616 --> 00:35:29,216
Speaker 4: For the rest of his life. That's the same with Tupac.

793
00:35:29,496 --> 00:35:31,576
Speaker 2: At Baltimore School for the Arts, you find the one

794
00:35:31,576 --> 00:35:33,096
Speaker 2: person who's like, oh, yeah, I used to have lunch

795
00:35:33,176 --> 00:35:36,536
Speaker 2: with him on Tuesdays. He always drank blank or I

796
00:35:36,616 --> 00:35:38,576
Speaker 2: was in his class. So one thing I remember is

797
00:35:38,576 --> 00:35:40,536
Speaker 2: I always used to listen to this Kate Bush song

798
00:35:40,776 --> 00:35:43,896
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. So like, out of the six hundred

799
00:35:43,896 --> 00:35:47,536
Speaker 2: and fifty interviews, I probably quote three hundred of the

800
00:35:47,536 --> 00:35:51,696
Speaker 2: people directly of the information I get, Like the ten

801
00:35:51,736 --> 00:35:55,776
Speaker 2: thousand pages of information, I probably used three percent, right,

802
00:35:55,896 --> 00:35:58,856
Speaker 2: like in the book, literally three percent. But even knowing

803
00:35:59,016 --> 00:36:01,176
Speaker 2: it could be someone could be like, blah blah blah

804
00:36:01,176 --> 00:36:04,056
Speaker 2: blah blah, boring, boring, boring, boring. You know, Tupac always

805
00:36:04,136 --> 00:36:07,616
Speaker 2: used to drink diet pepsi bingo, like that little detail

806
00:36:07,816 --> 00:36:10,296
Speaker 2: tells you something different than he used to drink soda.

807
00:36:10,496 --> 00:36:12,896
Speaker 2: He used to drink diet pepsi. It tells you something

808
00:36:12,896 --> 00:36:15,496
Speaker 2: about someone. So you're always just looking for those little details,

809
00:36:15,496 --> 00:36:17,616
Speaker 2: scouring the little details, if that makes sense.

810
00:36:18,496 --> 00:36:19,976
Speaker 7: Jeff Perlman, you got to follow my TikTok.

811
00:36:19,976 --> 00:36:21,496
Speaker 6: He's the best and the book's coming out and if

812
00:36:21,496 --> 00:36:24,376
Speaker 6: you're just a sports fan and no more time. But

813
00:36:24,616 --> 00:36:28,536
Speaker 6: his book Showtime ended up being winning Time. So about

814
00:36:28,536 --> 00:36:29,736
Speaker 6: the Lakers was a.

815
00:36:29,656 --> 00:36:32,016
Speaker 7: Great series which should have never been canceled. Stupid COVID.

816
00:36:32,056 --> 00:36:34,376
Speaker 6: One of the worst things about COVID other than people dying, obviously,

817
00:36:35,016 --> 00:36:37,576
Speaker 6: that show was canceled because it was an excellent show.

818
00:36:37,696 --> 00:36:40,296
Speaker 6: And congratulations on everything. We really appreciate the time, Jeff.

819
00:36:40,896 --> 00:36:42,536
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much to thanks Jeff.

820
00:36:57,936 --> 00:37:01,136
Speaker 7: Let's play a game, Kevin. What is the game called?

821
00:37:01,216 --> 00:37:03,016
Speaker 3: Start, cut and bench?

822
00:37:03,456 --> 00:37:03,616
Speaker 5: Oh?

823
00:37:03,656 --> 00:37:04,815
Speaker 7: It was just like f Mary kill.

824
00:37:05,096 --> 00:37:06,696
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much football version of it.

825
00:37:06,816 --> 00:37:11,456
Speaker 7: Yeah, God, so start how about start bench? Cute?

826
00:37:11,736 --> 00:37:12,056
Speaker 3: I guess that.

827
00:37:13,696 --> 00:37:14,736
Speaker 5: They can't even get to the bench.

828
00:37:14,856 --> 00:37:16,696
Speaker 6: By the way, how do you say the game? And

829
00:37:16,736 --> 00:37:18,416
Speaker 6: I'm gonna do my hands so physically, but how do

830
00:37:18,416 --> 00:37:19,176
Speaker 6: you say this game?

831
00:37:19,536 --> 00:37:20,736
Speaker 5: Rock Paper scissors?

832
00:37:20,736 --> 00:37:23,256
Speaker 6: Interesting because I don't say it in that that that order.

833
00:37:23,296 --> 00:37:25,296
Speaker 5: How do you say it paper rock scissors.

834
00:37:26,856 --> 00:37:29,496
Speaker 6: I've never met anybody that says scissors, paper rock.

835
00:37:29,376 --> 00:37:32,776
Speaker 5: Or no one leaves paper rock scissors for sure.

836
00:37:32,816 --> 00:37:35,176
Speaker 7: I would say rock, paper scissors. What would you say, Brandon?

837
00:37:36,096 --> 00:37:39,176
Speaker 6: You would say paper, that's weird. I say rock, rock,

838
00:37:39,336 --> 00:37:40,256
Speaker 6: paper paper scissors.

839
00:37:40,336 --> 00:37:40,816
Speaker 5: Yeah.

840
00:37:40,576 --> 00:37:42,576
Speaker 7: Yeah, what do you say?

841
00:37:42,616 --> 00:37:44,136
Speaker 5: I said rock, paper sciss Yeah.

842
00:37:44,216 --> 00:37:45,736
Speaker 7: No, you said paper rocks.

843
00:37:45,936 --> 00:37:46,296
Speaker 4: I don't know.

844
00:37:46,376 --> 00:37:48,136
Speaker 5: Now you said paper yeah?

845
00:37:48,296 --> 00:37:50,776
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I would say paper rock scissors. What are

846
00:37:50,776 --> 00:37:52,976
Speaker 6: we gonn play? Let's do Let's say let's do paper

847
00:37:53,056 --> 00:37:54,616
Speaker 6: rock scissors. Perfect, that's what would say.

848
00:37:54,696 --> 00:37:56,176
Speaker 3: Let's play start bench cut?

849
00:37:56,336 --> 00:37:58,896
Speaker 6: Okay, before we get to start bench cut. What do

850
00:37:58,936 --> 00:38:01,616
Speaker 6: you call those things at the movies? They're run before

851
00:38:01,776 --> 00:38:05,976
Speaker 6: the movie starts, previews, got it?

852
00:38:06,856 --> 00:38:08,815
Speaker 5: What do you call them trailers? Well?

853
00:38:08,856 --> 00:38:11,016
Speaker 6: I don't call them trailers, but there is a large

854
00:38:11,056 --> 00:38:13,256
Speaker 6: contingent of people who call them trailers, the people in

855
00:38:13,336 --> 00:38:17,376
Speaker 6: the biz or the people I don't know. The two

856
00:38:17,376 --> 00:38:21,776
Speaker 6: people I know are from the Midwest.

857
00:38:20,216 --> 00:38:22,416
Speaker 5: So they refer to them as Oh, I'm gonna get

858
00:38:22,416 --> 00:38:23,216
Speaker 5: there early and watch.

859
00:38:23,056 --> 00:38:26,536
Speaker 6: The trail trailers because they are trailers. But I would say, previews, previous,

860
00:38:27,176 --> 00:38:31,216
Speaker 6: what do you call what do you call if you're

861
00:38:31,216 --> 00:38:33,176
Speaker 6: gonna go get a soda from the gas station, what

862
00:38:33,216 --> 00:38:33,696
Speaker 6: do you call it?

863
00:38:34,296 --> 00:38:35,976
Speaker 5: I don't call it a pop. I call it a soda.

864
00:38:36,016 --> 00:38:37,256
Speaker 6: You would even call it a soda. See what we

865
00:38:37,376 --> 00:38:40,256
Speaker 6: call everything was a coke I'm from, Everything was a coke.

866
00:38:40,456 --> 00:38:43,656
Speaker 5: Yeah. That was the weird part. Because my family, my

867
00:38:43,736 --> 00:38:47,656
Speaker 5: cousins and stuff, grew up in Ohio. They either called

868
00:38:47,656 --> 00:38:49,056
Speaker 5: it a coke or a pop.

869
00:38:49,776 --> 00:38:53,056
Speaker 6: And it was always said innsta for me now because

870
00:38:53,096 --> 00:38:56,136
Speaker 6: I've had to learn to adapt to the just not

871
00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,936
Speaker 6: have a super distinct Southern dialect.

872
00:38:59,296 --> 00:39:01,616
Speaker 5: Yeah, because a coke you could still say a coke

873
00:39:01,696 --> 00:39:02,296
Speaker 5: where you're from.

874
00:39:02,336 --> 00:39:04,536
Speaker 6: Okay, it could be a sprite, oh for sure. It

875
00:39:04,616 --> 00:39:07,776
Speaker 6: almost was never the actual Coca Cola product. Hey, what

876
00:39:07,776 --> 00:39:08,336
Speaker 6: do you want to drink?

877
00:39:08,496 --> 00:39:11,016
Speaker 7: Give me a coke? What kind mark pepper?

878
00:39:11,776 --> 00:39:12,056
Speaker 5: Yeah?

879
00:39:12,096 --> 00:39:15,256
Speaker 7: Interesting anyway, just vernacular exercise.

880
00:39:14,936 --> 00:39:15,816
Speaker 3: Little regional thing there.

881
00:39:15,856 --> 00:39:17,936
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, So the game is called.

882
00:39:18,216 --> 00:39:19,736
Speaker 3: Start bench cut.

883
00:39:19,496 --> 00:39:22,096
Speaker 7: Start start bench scissors starts.

884
00:39:22,136 --> 00:39:24,896
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you gotta start one. You got a bench

885
00:39:24,936 --> 00:39:26,576
Speaker 3: one and you gotta cut one. I'm gonna go through

886
00:39:26,576 --> 00:39:29,336
Speaker 3: five colleges. Now, these are the players quarterbacks in their

887
00:39:29,376 --> 00:39:32,296
Speaker 3: college days, not NFL, just when they were in college

888
00:39:32,296 --> 00:39:33,456
Speaker 3: playing for these programs.

889
00:39:33,496 --> 00:39:35,976
Speaker 7: Okay, we'll take turns going first. Okay, so first on

890
00:39:36,016 --> 00:39:36,456
Speaker 7: the first one.

891
00:39:36,416 --> 00:39:36,656
Speaker 5: All right?

892
00:39:36,736 --> 00:39:41,576
Speaker 3: Number one is Oklahoma Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, and Caleb Williams.

893
00:39:43,696 --> 00:39:45,616
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to start.

894
00:39:48,856 --> 00:39:49,856
Speaker 7: Did all three one?

895
00:39:50,896 --> 00:39:51,856
Speaker 5: Yes? Wow?

896
00:39:51,896 --> 00:39:54,736
Speaker 6: Because I started to go well, Caleb won all three,

897
00:39:54,816 --> 00:39:55,456
Speaker 6: won the Heisman.

898
00:39:55,936 --> 00:40:00,336
Speaker 5: Start Kyler Murray. Now, oh only, but we're talking about

899
00:40:00,336 --> 00:40:04,016
Speaker 5: when they're in college college, yep. Start Kyler Murray, bench

900
00:40:04,056 --> 00:40:09,616
Speaker 5: Baker Mayfield, and cut my boy Williams.

901
00:40:10,256 --> 00:40:14,416
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going to start Baker Mayfield. And I'm gonna

902
00:40:14,416 --> 00:40:18,456
Speaker 6: tell you why the dude was a walk on twice

903
00:40:18,816 --> 00:40:22,656
Speaker 6: was awesome and because all three of these guys are elite,

904
00:40:22,656 --> 00:40:25,576
Speaker 6: which is what makes the game hard and fun. The

905
00:40:25,616 --> 00:40:28,336
Speaker 6: fact that he was a walk on at Tech and

906
00:40:28,376 --> 00:40:30,576
Speaker 6: went over to Oklahoma and did the same freaking thing.

907
00:40:31,336 --> 00:40:34,496
Speaker 6: And didn't Kyler wait on Baker Mayfield to graduate before

908
00:40:34,496 --> 00:40:37,216
Speaker 6: he even got to start. Yeah, Like Baker stayed in

909
00:40:37,376 --> 00:40:39,856
Speaker 6: I think an extra year or two, and Kyler just

910
00:40:39,896 --> 00:40:42,856
Speaker 6: stayed in sat and then balled out.

911
00:40:43,136 --> 00:40:43,656
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go.

912
00:40:44,056 --> 00:40:47,456
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start Baker, okay, although I'm gonna have to

913
00:40:47,456 --> 00:40:49,456
Speaker 6: pay him more in IL money probably than the other

914
00:40:49,456 --> 00:40:52,096
Speaker 6: two because he had a big, bigger personality than the

915
00:40:52,096 --> 00:40:56,736
Speaker 6: other two, and personalities really that plus talent equals in IL.

916
00:40:57,416 --> 00:41:01,776
Speaker 6: So Baker, I'm gonna bench Kyler just like in the

917
00:41:01,816 --> 00:41:04,536
Speaker 6: old days. Yes, and then I'm gonna cut Caleb, who

918
00:41:04,576 --> 00:41:05,296
Speaker 6: didn't play on the team.

919
00:41:05,456 --> 00:41:07,376
Speaker 5: He was like four, well he was only he was

920
00:41:07,376 --> 00:41:09,016
Speaker 5: only there also for like a year.

921
00:41:09,176 --> 00:41:12,096
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he bawled out when he came in for Rattler.

922
00:41:12,336 --> 00:41:14,376
Speaker 5: Yeah right, he did. He bawled out, and he left

923
00:41:14,376 --> 00:41:16,936
Speaker 5: for this coach. But he left. Yeah, so I mean

924
00:41:17,016 --> 00:41:18,456
Speaker 5: the cut that he kind of cut himself.

925
00:41:18,576 --> 00:41:21,256
Speaker 6: He did win the freaking Heisman though, as to all

926
00:41:21,376 --> 00:41:25,256
Speaker 6: us see though, yeah, yeah, it's pretty amazing the Heisman.

927
00:41:25,336 --> 00:41:27,336
Speaker 7: I know, you don't count. You can't count as us.

928
00:41:27,536 --> 00:41:30,456
Speaker 3: I think he said college he did, yeah, yeah, but

929
00:41:30,536 --> 00:41:33,656
Speaker 3: for the but he he was at Oklahoma technically technical,

930
00:41:33,816 --> 00:41:35,016
Speaker 3: you know, so if they're all on the same team,

931
00:41:35,056 --> 00:41:37,056
Speaker 3: and yeah, if he won the Heisman, just not out

932
00:41:37,096 --> 00:41:37,656
Speaker 3: all right, what else?

933
00:41:37,856 --> 00:41:37,936
Speaker 4: Right?

934
00:41:38,016 --> 00:41:41,536
Speaker 3: Number two, I'll go that one. Florida, Danny Warfel, Tim

935
00:41:41,576 --> 00:41:43,336
Speaker 3: Tebow and Rex Grossman.

936
00:41:43,536 --> 00:41:46,216
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going Tebow number one, Yeah, without a doubt.

937
00:41:46,256 --> 00:41:48,376
Speaker 6: And speaking of which, n I all money you got,

938
00:41:48,416 --> 00:41:50,856
Speaker 6: we have none left after Baker. But I'm talking about

939
00:41:50,896 --> 00:41:53,976
Speaker 6: we are deep in debt, were deep and yeah what

940
00:41:54,096 --> 00:41:56,736
Speaker 6: t bo is and he's donating at all too, like

941
00:41:56,776 --> 00:42:01,896
Speaker 6: we just yeah we got Yeah, babies are getting circumcised

942
00:42:01,896 --> 00:42:09,456
Speaker 6: in every country, Pilgrimage. I'm going t bow at one.

943
00:42:10,176 --> 00:42:12,416
Speaker 6: And you had to Warfle on who Grossman?

944
00:42:12,976 --> 00:42:17,296
Speaker 5: Rex Grossman? Did Warfel win a national championships.

945
00:42:16,736 --> 00:42:22,416
Speaker 7: There with with Florida? But uh, I believe he did.

946
00:42:22,776 --> 00:42:24,896
Speaker 6: You should fact check me on this, yep, because I

947
00:42:24,936 --> 00:42:27,016
Speaker 6: believe the old ball coat. I mean that that was all.

948
00:42:27,816 --> 00:42:31,336
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go Warful. I'm just going for memory though,

949
00:42:31,336 --> 00:42:32,776
Speaker 6: like who do I remember more playing?

950
00:42:33,296 --> 00:42:34,176
Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety six?

951
00:42:34,456 --> 00:42:35,616
Speaker 7: They wanted title, right, they want it.

952
00:42:35,696 --> 00:42:39,536
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna go Warful and then Grossman.

953
00:42:40,856 --> 00:42:44,536
Speaker 7: But Grossman, I don't know. Grossman was so good.

954
00:42:44,576 --> 00:42:45,336
Speaker 5: I know it's good.

955
00:42:45,416 --> 00:42:48,496
Speaker 6: I'm letting his NFL days, I know, which is unfair

956
00:42:48,536 --> 00:42:51,376
Speaker 6: because warfle didn't have the run Grossman had in the NFL.

957
00:42:51,416 --> 00:42:53,776
Speaker 6: But because we didn't see him as much, we don't

958
00:42:53,816 --> 00:42:55,616
Speaker 6: think of him being terrible because Grossman with.

959
00:42:55,576 --> 00:42:57,216
Speaker 5: The Bears went to the super Bowl.

960
00:42:57,296 --> 00:42:59,335
Speaker 6: Yes, but I'm telling you the gross in my mind,

961
00:42:59,416 --> 00:43:02,696
Speaker 6: Grossman the Bears went to the super Bowl in lieu

962
00:43:02,736 --> 00:43:06,096
Speaker 6: of the defense, in spite of Grossman. Then yeah, and

963
00:43:06,136 --> 00:43:08,536
Speaker 6: it's not fair because that's not true. But I'm gonna

964
00:43:08,536 --> 00:43:10,096
Speaker 6: go Warful then Grossman.

965
00:43:11,496 --> 00:43:14,416
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do the exact same. Yeah, it's I mean,

966
00:43:14,456 --> 00:43:18,056
Speaker 5: Warful won a national championship. Tim Tebow's Tim Tebow the

967
00:43:18,056 --> 00:43:22,816
Speaker 5: next coming, and Rex Grossman was an outstanding quarterback in college.

968
00:43:23,056 --> 00:43:25,376
Speaker 5: But between those two, that's where I'm going.

969
00:43:25,416 --> 00:43:28,256
Speaker 6: The negative association I have with Grossman is totally unfair,

970
00:43:28,336 --> 00:43:32,016
Speaker 6: though it is. It is he gets a bad rap yep.

971
00:43:32,376 --> 00:43:34,576
Speaker 6: And because and I'm gonna tell you what else is unfair.

972
00:43:35,136 --> 00:43:37,416
Speaker 6: I think a Grossman with the Bears, and I also

973
00:43:37,416 --> 00:43:40,416
Speaker 6: think of Mitch Trubisky with the Bears, who had a

974
00:43:40,456 --> 00:43:41,376
Speaker 6: lot of hypeen didn't play.

975
00:43:41,376 --> 00:43:43,416
Speaker 7: So then I associate associate those two together. So then

976
00:43:43,416 --> 00:43:45,136
Speaker 7: I feel worse about Grossman because.

977
00:43:44,936 --> 00:43:47,096
Speaker 6: I feel like he's Mitch Trubisky and they picked him

978
00:43:47,096 --> 00:43:50,336
Speaker 6: over Mahomes Like this is my mind goes, oh wow, yeah,

979
00:43:50,336 --> 00:43:53,616
Speaker 6: that's a rabbit hole, Like Grossman compared to my homes.

980
00:43:54,216 --> 00:43:56,416
Speaker 7: Yeah, all three are awesome. All right, Next up, Okay, Oregon.

981
00:43:56,496 --> 00:44:00,136
Speaker 3: Here you got Marcus Mariota, Justin Herbert, and Joey Harrington.

982
00:44:01,296 --> 00:44:08,096
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going with Marcus Mariota, start, Joey Harrington bench,

983
00:44:09,096 --> 00:44:11,896
Speaker 5: and I'm going with Justin Herbert. Cut.

984
00:44:12,176 --> 00:44:13,576
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go the same.

985
00:44:14,896 --> 00:44:17,696
Speaker 6: Recency bias maybe a bit here, but I'm also the

986
00:44:17,736 --> 00:44:20,456
Speaker 6: reason I'm gonna go with Well, it starts with Mariota.

987
00:44:21,056 --> 00:44:22,736
Speaker 7: I remember Marioda and we were up there there there's

988
00:44:22,736 --> 00:44:23,296
Speaker 7: a whole facility.

989
00:44:23,376 --> 00:44:27,016
Speaker 5: It's the most amazing facility ever. It's like the little island, yes,

990
00:44:27,176 --> 00:44:29,496
Speaker 5: crazy island, with all of his high school teammates and

991
00:44:29,536 --> 00:44:30,815
Speaker 5: everything there. He's a god.

992
00:44:31,096 --> 00:44:33,176
Speaker 6: And Joey Harrington was on the cover of College Football

993
00:44:33,176 --> 00:44:35,815
Speaker 6: back in the day PlayStation, so that automatically gets him

994
00:44:35,856 --> 00:44:36,296
Speaker 6: on the team.

995
00:44:36,296 --> 00:44:38,216
Speaker 5: Can the team a billboard that they had for his

996
00:44:38,256 --> 00:44:39,336
Speaker 5: high school trophy.

997
00:44:39,256 --> 00:44:39,815
Speaker 7: In New York?

998
00:44:39,936 --> 00:44:40,096
Speaker 5: Right?

999
00:44:40,136 --> 00:44:40,976
Speaker 7: They put up in New York.

1000
00:44:41,056 --> 00:44:42,576
Speaker 5: Yah, they put it up in New York. It was

1001
00:44:42,656 --> 00:44:44,776
Speaker 5: just joe super tall, super tall.

1002
00:44:44,936 --> 00:44:46,776
Speaker 7: That was it. Okay, we're the same on that one.

1003
00:44:46,816 --> 00:44:47,416
Speaker 7: Give us another one.

1004
00:44:47,416 --> 00:44:50,496
Speaker 3: Okay, Texas, here you got Vince Young, nun eliminate them all.

1005
00:44:51,776 --> 00:44:55,936
Speaker 3: Goldon McCloy, Vince Young, and Chris Simms, just as you said.

1006
00:44:56,576 --> 00:44:59,776
Speaker 6: So, Yeah, the Chris Simms issue that I have is

1007
00:44:59,976 --> 00:45:02,416
Speaker 6: I was there whenever it was Sims and apple White,

1008
00:45:02,736 --> 00:45:04,896
Speaker 6: and Sims was brought in as the big five star.

1009
00:45:05,416 --> 00:45:05,976
Speaker 7: Apple White was.

1010
00:45:05,976 --> 00:45:08,936
Speaker 6: Still winning, and it was constant Who's going to start,

1011
00:45:08,976 --> 00:45:12,176
Speaker 6: and there was like drama and apple got hurt, and.

1012
00:45:13,976 --> 00:45:16,256
Speaker 7: So that I was just annoyed by the whole situation.

1013
00:45:16,496 --> 00:45:17,296
Speaker 7: Sims is third.

1014
00:45:17,656 --> 00:45:18,816
Speaker 5: You don't like the controversy.

1015
00:45:19,296 --> 00:45:21,256
Speaker 6: I don't like Texas, and so that that made me.

1016
00:45:25,496 --> 00:45:29,256
Speaker 6: Vince Young did win a national championship, Yes, yes, sorry

1017
00:45:29,256 --> 00:45:30,016
Speaker 6: against your boys.

1018
00:45:30,416 --> 00:45:33,896
Speaker 5: I know that was that was probably the greatest, maybe

1019
00:45:33,936 --> 00:45:36,736
Speaker 5: one of probably the greatest college football game of all time.

1020
00:45:36,816 --> 00:45:37,976
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was.

1021
00:45:38,056 --> 00:45:41,856
Speaker 5: I was living in winners just in that game. Reggie Bush,

1022
00:45:41,976 --> 00:45:43,736
Speaker 5: Matt lion Art and did Vince.

1023
00:45:43,576 --> 00:45:45,576
Speaker 3: Young he lost the line, he lost the line.

1024
00:45:45,696 --> 00:45:50,456
Speaker 6: But also USC they had Bush, they had thunder and lightning,

1025
00:45:52,136 --> 00:45:57,855
Speaker 6: Reggie Berry, Wayne, Jared, Mike Williams. I'm gonna go Vince Young,

1026
00:45:58,176 --> 00:46:02,696
Speaker 6: then Colt McCoy and Vince gets it because but Vince

1027
00:46:02,776 --> 00:46:05,016
Speaker 6: was like Cam Newton, unstopped.

1028
00:46:05,176 --> 00:46:06,896
Speaker 5: You an absolute fan of nature.

1029
00:46:06,936 --> 00:46:09,536
Speaker 6: He was, and we've again I'm not associated the NFL.

1030
00:46:09,536 --> 00:46:11,136
Speaker 6: I shouldn't do anything NFL.

1031
00:46:11,016 --> 00:46:12,856
Speaker 5: Dual threat quarterback everything.

1032
00:46:12,936 --> 00:46:14,856
Speaker 7: Yeah, Vince Young, Cole McCoy and Chris Sims.

1033
00:46:14,976 --> 00:46:16,976
Speaker 3: You do, Matt, same thing, same thing, all right? Last

1034
00:46:16,976 --> 00:46:21,416
Speaker 3: one here usc boom. Okay, we got Carson Palmer, Matt

1035
00:46:21,456 --> 00:46:23,776
Speaker 3: Lioner and our boy Mediccastle.

1036
00:46:25,176 --> 00:46:27,016
Speaker 5: Are we talking just about college? Yeah?

1037
00:46:27,136 --> 00:46:29,776
Speaker 7: Can we can we kill? Can we put the kill

1038
00:46:29,776 --> 00:46:30,136
Speaker 7: one back in?

1039
00:46:32,016 --> 00:46:34,056
Speaker 5: Well, I'm cutting liner because that means I'm playing.

1040
00:46:34,856 --> 00:46:36,656
Speaker 7: That's funny, that's funny.

1041
00:46:37,256 --> 00:46:43,096
Speaker 5: All right. Well, if we're talking just about college, I

1042
00:46:43,136 --> 00:46:46,536
Speaker 5: mean I played with all these dudes. Seapawk is the

1043
00:46:46,576 --> 00:46:49,856
Speaker 5: most physically impressive human I've ever been around. Before. We

1044
00:46:49,896 --> 00:46:53,576
Speaker 5: called him seapowk Carson Palmer special number one draft pick.

1045
00:46:53,416 --> 00:46:55,856
Speaker 7: Overall physically Why because I don't think of him.

1046
00:46:56,096 --> 00:47:00,616
Speaker 5: He's six', five barrel, chested has an absolute cannon for an.

1047
00:47:00,696 --> 00:47:03,936
Speaker 5: Arm footwork like he's six,' one like his feet were

1048
00:47:03,976 --> 00:47:07,256
Speaker 5: just dynamic when it talked about perfect, footwork dropbacks, you

1049
00:47:07,256 --> 00:47:09,496
Speaker 5: know like with those old clips that used See if

1050
00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:12,376
Speaker 5: akeman just. In rhythm this guy had it all and not,

1051
00:47:12,416 --> 00:47:14,216
Speaker 5: ONLY that i think he ran a four or five

1052
00:47:14,456 --> 00:47:16,936
Speaker 5: or six. Coming out i'm.

1053
00:47:16,816 --> 00:47:18,336
Speaker 6: Glad you, said that because did you guys think of

1054
00:47:18,416 --> 00:47:21,856
Speaker 6: him as like a superior as a. Superior, quarterback yes

1055
00:47:22,336 --> 00:47:25,856
Speaker 6: but obviously we didn't. Know him he was a.

1056
00:47:25,856 --> 00:47:26,336
Speaker 5: Freak out.

1057
00:47:26,416 --> 00:47:27,456
Speaker 7: THAT'S crazy i didn't.

1058
00:47:27,216 --> 00:47:28,816
Speaker 5: Know that or.

1059
00:47:28,856 --> 00:47:33,136
Speaker 6: Six, five wow, he's white so he, seems slow and he's,

1060
00:47:33,176 --> 00:47:35,256
Speaker 6: a quarterback so he, seems slow.

1061
00:47:35,096 --> 00:47:37,816
Speaker 3: And he stands. Super tall, so yeah it's.

1062
00:47:37,896 --> 00:47:41,256
Speaker 5: That big and he was at a TIME where usc

1063
00:47:41,376 --> 00:47:43,536
Speaker 5: was struggling and kind of brought us back, into prominence

1064
00:47:43,656 --> 00:47:45,816
Speaker 5: like when his senior year when he came back and

1065
00:47:45,816 --> 00:47:47,816
Speaker 5: made the decision to. Come back we went To The

1066
00:47:47,856 --> 00:47:51,816
Speaker 5: orange bowl and WE beat i think It was iowa

1067
00:47:52,376 --> 00:47:54,936
Speaker 5: for the First First orange. Bowl victory that's really What

1068
00:47:55,096 --> 00:47:58,616
Speaker 5: Set pete carroll up in that kind. Of dynasty but

1069
00:47:58,776 --> 00:48:00,936
Speaker 5: he took the program to the. Next LEVEL so i

1070
00:48:01,016 --> 00:48:04,216
Speaker 5: gotta Go With. CARSON palmer i LIKE how i stated,

1071
00:48:04,256 --> 00:48:06,096
Speaker 5: the first BUT you're i have to Go With. Matt

1072
00:48:06,176 --> 00:48:09,696
Speaker 5: leonard obviously he both Those Guys heisman, trophy Winners but

1073
00:48:09,816 --> 00:48:14,296
Speaker 5: matt won what two national championships back, to back AND then,

1074
00:48:14,896 --> 00:48:16,296
Speaker 5: I mean i would still like to be on. The team,

1075
00:48:16,296 --> 00:48:18,576
Speaker 5: but obviously if we've got to have a spot for

1076
00:48:18,656 --> 00:48:24,456
Speaker 5: we got a spot. For you Thanks. Coach carol that's

1077
00:48:24,496 --> 00:48:26,416
Speaker 5: EXACTLY what i came. Here for go get my head.

1078
00:48:26,456 --> 00:48:28,816
Speaker 6: Beat, IN yeah I guess i gotta go with the

1079
00:48:28,856 --> 00:48:31,936
Speaker 6: same out, of, loyalty though you, Know what i'm Gonna

1080
00:48:31,936 --> 00:48:34,176
Speaker 6: put castle in my. Back, up yeah the guy did.

1081
00:48:34,176 --> 00:48:36,136
Speaker 6: Great work it's a back up later. In life, you

1082
00:48:36,136 --> 00:48:37,816
Speaker 6: know we can't, go there but in the verse.

1083
00:48:37,696 --> 00:48:40,216
Speaker 5: Two it was a. Starter, too okay don't get don't.

1084
00:48:40,256 --> 00:48:40,816
Speaker 5: Kid yourself.

1085
00:48:40,896 --> 00:48:44,096
Speaker 7: That's right thank you guys. For listening HERE'S what i can't.

1086
00:48:44,096 --> 00:48:44,296
Speaker 5: Wait.

1087
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Speaker 6: For football we've done this podcast now for months and

1088
00:48:48,416 --> 00:48:51,296
Speaker 6: months without. Any football we've gone through the Absolute heart

1089
00:48:51,336 --> 00:48:54,136
Speaker 6: we started What, In, december yeah like when it, was

1090
00:48:54,136 --> 00:48:55,016
Speaker 6: over except for like The.

1091
00:48:55,056 --> 00:48:57,096
Speaker 5: Super bowl we we got to talk about the playoffs

1092
00:48:57,096 --> 00:48:58,456
Speaker 5: with The, super bowl and then it was just off.

1093
00:48:58,496 --> 00:49:01,736
Speaker 5: Season minutia we have just been grinding. Through it i'm

1094
00:49:01,816 --> 00:49:06,296
Speaker 5: ready to talk about. Real Football wins comedia days. Next week,

1095
00:49:06,496 --> 00:49:10,176
Speaker 5: next week the twenty second through the, Twenty fourth so

1096
00:49:10,216 --> 00:49:13,496
Speaker 5: we've got four teams a day for three. Days straight it'll.

1097
00:49:13,496 --> 00:49:15,536
Speaker 5: Be fun well maybe more. Than that how many teams

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00:49:15,616 --> 00:49:16,176
Speaker 5: They have now.

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Speaker 7: What do, You, mean oh you mean like they take,

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00:49:17,296 --> 00:49:18,016
Speaker 7: the podium.

1101
00:49:18,016 --> 00:49:20,296
Speaker 5: Why they take. The putum so we'll do interviews on.

1102
00:49:20,336 --> 00:49:25,656
Speaker 5: The side so what every every big NETWORK, like nbccbs Whoever,

1103
00:49:25,736 --> 00:49:28,696
Speaker 5: had fox they'll all have their own space and rooms,

1104
00:49:29,056 --> 00:49:31,496
Speaker 5: set up so you'll come in and they'll do individual

1105
00:49:32,056 --> 00:49:35,536
Speaker 5: interviews with. COACHES players i might do something on the

1106
00:49:35,536 --> 00:49:37,896
Speaker 5: side for their socials to talk to some of the

1107
00:49:37,976 --> 00:49:40,456
Speaker 5: quarterbacks and do, all that and then it's just about

1108
00:49:40,496 --> 00:49:42,856
Speaker 5: interactions with the coaches on. The field and then they'll

1109
00:49:42,896 --> 00:49:45,456
Speaker 5: go up and they'll they've GOT about i think five

1110
00:49:45,536 --> 00:49:48,096
Speaker 5: ten minutes on the podium and kind of talk about,

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00:49:48,136 --> 00:49:51,176
Speaker 5: their program promote, their program give us kind of their

1112
00:49:51,216 --> 00:49:54,216
Speaker 5: feelings about this. Upcoming season it might, be schedule and

1113
00:49:54,256 --> 00:49:57,296
Speaker 5: then at night they'll have some dinners that you get

1114
00:49:57,336 --> 00:49:59,696
Speaker 5: to go to and once again rub elbows with these

1115
00:49:59,736 --> 00:50:01,336
Speaker 5: guys and kind of talk to them and get to

1116
00:50:01,376 --> 00:50:03,416
Speaker 5: know them a little. Bit more so it's it's a

1117
00:50:03,456 --> 00:50:05,616
Speaker 5: fun time and it's also a great kickoff for. The

1118
00:50:05,656 --> 00:50:06,816
Speaker 5: season it's.

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Speaker 6: Probably fun to go in like other, sports people probably other.

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Speaker 5: Ex. Players, thanks yeah it's. A blast it's. A blast so,

1121
00:50:14,856 --> 00:50:19,296
Speaker 5: it's uh it's Three days it's like truly the kickoff

1122
00:50:19,416 --> 00:50:21,696
Speaker 5: to get going for, college football and then it starts

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Speaker 5: at the END of Uh into august's. Last week august

1124
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Speaker 5: is our. First game.

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Speaker 6: Passed, ALONG hello i got two. Bros coaching who You

1126
00:50:30,216 --> 00:50:33,136
Speaker 6: Got Barry Oda Purdue. Arry oda that's, my dude. New

1127
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Speaker 6: coach he was just here a few. Weeks ago i'm

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Speaker 6: excited his daughter To Meet. LANNY wilson i remember you, Saying,

1129
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Speaker 6: that yeah he's.

1130
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Speaker 7: The best And Then. Brett bilama those are.

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Speaker 5: My dudes he's. A study we talked about him.

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Speaker 7: Last week then my. Warm, regards okay. That's it thank.

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Speaker 7: You guys we'll see you. Next week That's. My castle, That's.

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Speaker 7: Kickoff kevin That Is brandon ray doing all.

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Speaker 6: The video Thanks To. Jeff pearlman be sure if you

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Speaker 7: Other books he is such a. Great writer checking out

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Speaker 7: and Go To jeff pearlman dot com or just go

1139
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Speaker 7: to a social and you'll see at all.

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Speaker 5: The Acts I'm.

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Speaker 7: Bobby bohms we've had lots, To say you us.

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