Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: What up y'all? It's like yeah, And this week we
Speaker 2: are traveling back back back back to June of twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: when we finally caught up with se Lo Green. Yep,
Speaker 2: se Lo Green. He talks about finding his voice, Goodie Mob, Lawls,
Speaker 2: Barkley and all the good stuff. It's so good that
Speaker 2: it's a two parter. We know you love those as
Speaker 2: we queue that up for you, don't forget to make
Speaker 2: sure you check out our whole Dungeon Family series of interviews.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, y'all, from Organized Noise to My Girl Joy
Speaker 2: to even Quest one on one with Andre three thousand. Yep,
Speaker 2: it happened. So here is part one of se Lo
Speaker 2: on Questlove Supreme.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 1: I'm us Love here with Laiah Sugar, Steve Payville and Fontakeolo.
Speaker 3: Hey, how how bad do we miss our theme song?
Speaker 3: It's just playing. Just play it in your just comment
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's killing me inside that we're doing all
Speaker 1: these these great episodes. Yeah, with no roll call, it's
Speaker 1: killing me inside. We asked, we got we gotta think
Speaker 1: of a way to do a social distance social distance
Speaker 1: roll call exactly. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen, please uh welcome
Speaker 1: our guest today, legendary gentlemen. I know this is kind
Speaker 1: of always get weird when I'm like, I have to
Speaker 1: introduce people that I really really really know, not like
Speaker 1: people that just myro on television or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but Grammy Winner, the most transformative MC in
Speaker 2: the game.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, our guest take that, yes, our yeah,
Speaker 1: multiple Grammys, I will say, even more like one of
Speaker 1: my really one of my favorite singers living today. I
Speaker 1: mean I could I could name maybe like for them
Speaker 1: that I really like, not even people that are able
Speaker 1: to sing, but people that are able to move you
Speaker 1: when they sing, not to mention very effective in see
Speaker 1: most people forget that. As one fourth of the legendary
Speaker 1: Goodie Mob Atlanta, what more can I say? Ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: please welcome to coest Love Supreme, the one and only
Speaker 1: Thomas de Carlo Callaway aka.
Speaker 3: Celo Green. I did not know your middle name was Carlo.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, greetings, Kings and queens. How are you?
Speaker 3: What's going on? Brother? How you feel? Were you right now?
Speaker 4: I'm in Atlanta. I'm technically I'm an hour outside of Atlanta.
Speaker 4: I'm out in Peachtree City. I live out in the
Speaker 4: country out here.
Speaker 5: So you never left Atlanta always? Did you ever live
Speaker 5: in l A for a little while or were you
Speaker 5: always Atlanta?
Speaker 4: I did when I was when I was out there
Speaker 4: doing the Boys, I was there for about five years,
Speaker 4: and then I left l A. And I went and
Speaker 4: lived in Las Vegas for two years, okay, then Miami
Speaker 4: for two years, and now I'm back in Atlanta.
Speaker 5: Okay, gotcha. I think the last time I saw you,
Speaker 5: it was a minute ago. Me and Pool we ran
Speaker 5: into you outside of BOSTONOVA.
Speaker 4: In l A. Yeah, it was after show, and I recognized,
Speaker 4: like I was surprised that I recognized.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, I seen you. I said,
Speaker 6: look at the home Boys.
Speaker 5: I know, yeah, I you know. I mean, I never
Speaker 5: assumed that you know, cats will know who we were. So,
Speaker 5: but I guess if you see us together, that's when
Speaker 5: you can kind of do the math.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, man.
Speaker 4: Quest would be able to affirm that, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: a real head, you know, so, so yeah, you could
Speaker 4: pop quiz me and just about just about any topic
Speaker 4: I should, I should, I should pan out pretty good.
Speaker 5: That's what's up every question?
Speaker 4: What you're doing chilling.
Speaker 3: Here on a on a ranch?
Speaker 1: A little sad now because uh just got news today
Speaker 1: that my four of my uh poultry friends have have
Speaker 1: passed away. Apparently a raccoon covered how to get inside
Speaker 1: the hen see now Steve laughing? Right now, those don't
Speaker 1: know I'm quarantining. I quarantine upstate New York. You know,
Speaker 1: when I started, there was five chickens and six baby ducks. Uh,
Speaker 1: the baby ducks are now as big as Debo on Friday.
Speaker 3: So now they bully the chickens, while.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, raccoons and foxes have found inventive ways to come
Speaker 1: and eat the chickens.
Speaker 7: So how do we know that it's foxes and raccoons
Speaker 7: that are murdering the chickens.
Speaker 3: Because we can clearly see who it is.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I'm just saying, ever since you show up
Speaker 7: to the ranch, chickens.
Speaker 3: Whatever, Steve AnyWho?
Speaker 4: So that's dope question. I'm on a ranch too. We
Speaker 4: have a ranch property out here in Atlanta. No, because
Speaker 4: the property we've been kind of using it as a
Speaker 4: vacation vernal property in Airbnb because I haven't been. I
Speaker 4: haven't been living in Atlanta primarily.
Speaker 6: So no.
Speaker 4: When we first got this property about twelve years ago,
Speaker 4: they kind of they threw a couple of horses in,
Speaker 4: you know, as a package. But you know me, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: but I didn't you know, I had to, you know,
Speaker 4: decline because you know, first then then I did my
Speaker 4: diligence or not. And I found out that the horses
Speaker 4: are very expensive to take care of. And then of
Speaker 4: course I just I just didn't have I didn't have
Speaker 4: staffing or anything to do or anything like that. So I
Speaker 4: was like, nah, thank you. I appreciate the gesture, but no,
Speaker 4: no thanks. So no, no animals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely taking care of animals on a farm is
Speaker 1: a full time job.
Speaker 8: How about that?
Speaker 2: A little circle moment moment though, talking to South Philly
Speaker 2: and Atlanta over here, Now y'all both got y'all both
Speaker 2: on ranches farming.
Speaker 3: You never thought the hip hop would take it this far?
Speaker 3: What part what part of Atlanta were you born in? See?
Speaker 4: Southwest Atlanta swats swats the south.
Speaker 5: Okay, so explain to me what'swats is Southwest Atlanta to star.
Speaker 3: One place? Don't start claiming everything.
Speaker 6: Okay, So Southwest Atlanta is.
Speaker 4: It's it's like a a a four street kind of conglomerate.
Speaker 4: I mean that that starts at Campbelton Road, which is
Speaker 4: where Tyler Perry's first television studio was based, right around
Speaker 4: the corner from Greenbury Mall. I grew up on that street.
Speaker 4: It was it was a vacant Delta building that he
Speaker 4: inverted into his first studios and then he ultimately went
Speaker 4: on to buy Fort McPherson, which was an uh an
Speaker 4: abandoned army base.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so yeah, no, it's it's that it's cambell
Speaker 6: to roll on up to uh Bankhead.
Speaker 4: Highway, which is where t I is from t I
Speaker 4: and then rest in Peace Shady Low. They represent Bankhead.
Speaker 4: So like it's just like a four street parallel. And
Speaker 4: you know, I mean East Point is one street over,
Speaker 4: you know where Big Gip is from from Goodie Mob,
Speaker 4: and then you know, you keep going on that then
Speaker 4: being College Park is another few miles over. That's that's ludicrous.
Speaker 4: That's two chains and those guys.
Speaker 3: Isn't didn't Diallo said that he went to school with Silo.
Speaker 3: He went there.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he went to now Diallo riddle
Speaker 5: his uh? I think he said he went to Benjamin Mays. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he went there. He went to Benjamin Mays. He me
Speaker 5: and him work on the show together, A Sherman Showcase, Showcase.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I know.
Speaker 6: I know they'll know since since we were kids.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah yeah, yeah, I was trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: I knew that Dalla went to school was someone notable,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know if it was you or Big Boy.
Speaker 4: It was you, that's a fact, that's a fan. We
Speaker 4: went to Amazing Big Boy and Dre they went to
Speaker 4: Try Cities High School. Okay, yeah, so Candy from Escape
Speaker 4: went to Try Cities with them.
Speaker 1: So, and you're in growing up. First of all, are
Speaker 1: you the only child or you you have other siblings?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I have I have one of the siblings. I
Speaker 4: have an older sister, but kind of like having an
Speaker 4: older sister is basically like being like the only child
Speaker 4: still because she didn't like she did not like me
Speaker 4: when we were kids, I couldn't. I was locked out
Speaker 4: of her room.
Speaker 3: You know how much older was she?
Speaker 4: Two years older? Okay, She's like, yeah, no, we're really
Speaker 4: close now she's like she's my realtor. She's my property manager,
Speaker 4: project manager, co founder of our foundation.
Speaker 6: She's a she's a diag woman, Yes she is.
Speaker 8: He saw her beautiful.
Speaker 1: So in growing up, what was the musical environment like
Speaker 1: in your household? Because I imagine with that voice that
Speaker 1: someone in that house had to been singing or was that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, well both both my mother and father were ministers.
Speaker 4: But but I wasn't just completely like sheltered, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, you know, in in spiritual or gospel,
Speaker 4: even though I spent a considerable amount of time in
Speaker 4: church and around gospel music, which I love. I love
Speaker 4: the Clark Sisters, Leon Pattillo, Uh, you know, even Amy Grant,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's you know I'm real.
Speaker 4: That's how you know I'm real. And of course the Whinings,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that means Christian radio was on in your house
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 6: It was, it was.
Speaker 4: But but but then I had then I had that
Speaker 4: secular side of me because my mother had friends outside
Speaker 4: of outside of that. You know, church is like a
Speaker 4: like a little little social network. And I mean so
Speaker 4: that she had she had friends that she did business
Speaker 4: with outside of uh, out of her church, her church community,
Speaker 4: and one of them was a legendary radio personality by
Speaker 4: the name of Ali Pat so you could you could
Speaker 4: research him and you know him and jose Williams, like
Speaker 4: they were friends of my mother's when I was young.
Speaker 4: So I would go to the radio station and he
Speaker 4: gave me a box full of forty fives and so
Speaker 4: I would listen to stuff like, you know, Johnny Taylor
Speaker 4: and Zz Hill and BB King and Bobby blue Land.
Speaker 4: So like I love the blues growing up too, the
Speaker 4: gospel was like the blues almost like it was it was,
Speaker 4: you know that there was a parallel that that you
Speaker 4: know that connected to two.
Speaker 3: If you ask me, I want to know what age
Speaker 3: was your voice developed?
Speaker 4: I I can remember.
Speaker 6: Man who sings gene Chandler.
Speaker 4: It's a song called the Rainbow, and we used to
Speaker 4: we used to uh sing this uh you know in
Speaker 4: the family talent shows in front of the big floor
Speaker 4: model TV in the den.
Speaker 6: So it was this song.
Speaker 4: And then it was Jackie Wilson's dog can be around.
Speaker 4: So I knew that. I knew that.
Speaker 3: Right right, So so.
Speaker 4: So if you notice I can imitate I can imitate him.
Speaker 4: So like that's how I learned how to sing, because
Speaker 4: you know, that's that first form of flattery, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And then and then you filter it
Speaker 4: into you know, what's to become your own living experience
Speaker 4: in the way that you know, you interpret life, you know,
Speaker 4: or you know, and then then it's kind of reiterated
Speaker 4: in its own you know, new and you know, it's
Speaker 4: like a hybrid theory or something. So like no I
Speaker 4: jack and no, well I did. I did a couple
Speaker 4: of solos in church. I was mostly kind of fascinated
Speaker 4: with the band. We had a I went to Grace
Speaker 4: Covenant Baptist Church that was our first family church in Atlanta,
Speaker 4: and the band was just fantastic, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so I would sit right in the pew right
Speaker 4: behind the band that was it was setting to the
Speaker 4: far left of the uh, you know, the church, and
Speaker 4: I was just sitting there and watching the drummer. So
Speaker 4: at that time, I wanted to play drums, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And then I was always fascinated with
Speaker 4: the organ. I guess it's that big joint. It's not
Speaker 4: the Oberheim, but it's like, you know, it's that big
Speaker 4: three level joint, you know, And and I always loved
Speaker 4: the organ, and and it gave me it struck a
Speaker 4: chord with me because I'm a Gemini, so therefore I
Speaker 4: have that duality of you know, they say half half mortal,
Speaker 4: half god kind of thing, so you know, so it
Speaker 4: sounded really righteous and then it sounds was really evil
Speaker 4: in one way too, so like to me, that's like
Speaker 4: the ultimate like instrument. So it really it really struck
Speaker 4: a nerve with me and that and it kind of
Speaker 4: it kind of like, you know, opened me up where
Speaker 4: I can kind of you know, identify with different energies
Speaker 4: in song, what I mean, So I could tell if
Speaker 4: something had some something intentful, or something was really real
Speaker 4: about something, you know what I mean. I hope I'm
Speaker 4: saying that right.
Speaker 3: It's funny to know.
Speaker 5: It's funny here you say you describe it like that
Speaker 5: because as a kid going to church, like the organ
Speaker 5: to me was also an instrument like it would sound
Speaker 5: beautiful in some ways, but then it could also sound
Speaker 5: kind of ominous, you know what I mean, And they
Speaker 5: would play like on Scooby Dude, the theme. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was that was kind of like my relationship to
Speaker 5: gospel music as well. Like it was it was I
Speaker 5: saw this something that was like my grandparents music, and
Speaker 5: it was in our household. It was kind of like
Speaker 5: you had to listen to it. You know, we ain't
Speaker 5: gonna listen to a rap today. Cut We're just playing gospel.
Speaker 5: Was almost like a punishment. But in that was where
Speaker 5: I found you know, Mighty Cloud's and Joy Jackson southing
Speaker 5: there is like all the Quartel gospel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was just a rehearsal in the street.
Speaker 6: Yeah, come, I know that.
Speaker 4: And then and then you got then you got Willie Mitchell,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like who did.
Speaker 3: Yeah High Records.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's derivative of that church, you know,
Speaker 4: organ background, like and it just made all of that
Speaker 4: area music just sounds so so so familiar, so warm,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: that's That's why Algue is the best.
Speaker 3: It just hit me.
Speaker 1: You're you're born in nineteen seventy five, which makes you
Speaker 1: six years old in nineteen eighty one. What can you
Speaker 1: describe to me, or at least from your point of view,
Speaker 1: Because the one thing that I knew the most about Atlanta,
Speaker 1: at least growing up, was about the child murders.
Speaker 4: I was just about to say that that heard down there.
Speaker 1: So what was your childhood into, especially in those early years,
Speaker 1: was it like you had to be inside twenty four seven? Like,
Speaker 1: how did that How did that affect at least with
Speaker 1: the murders hanging over everyone's head is in Atlanta with
Speaker 1: black children, how did that affect your childhood for those
Speaker 1: early years.
Speaker 4: Well, I lived just moments from the the community park,
Speaker 4: which was west Manor Recreation and you know, I wasn't
Speaker 4: you know, I was. I was never that far away,
Speaker 4: but I do remember that time of where I was.
Speaker 4: I was far enough where I could hear my mother calling,
Speaker 4: you know, just like the song I can hear my mother.
Speaker 6: I can hear her, Yeah, I can.
Speaker 4: I can hear her calling. And so so it was
Speaker 4: I was that close, relatively close, and so everything what
Speaker 4: what it was just kind of community uh, you know,
Speaker 4: javing literally football and stuff like that. So all of
Speaker 4: the activities were right at the end of the street,
Speaker 4: which was safeguarding you know for me, uh in that time.
Speaker 4: But you know, I remember being in elementary school and
Speaker 4: them having the coloring books about you know, not taking
Speaker 4: candy from strangers, and you know, this that of the
Speaker 4: third and I remember the song that was, uh, it's
Speaker 4: it's synonymous with that that subconscious time in my life
Speaker 4: is Jesus is loved by the Commodore. I will hear
Speaker 4: that song all of the time, and it gives me
Speaker 4: the chills to say it, because you know, it was
Speaker 4: just a frightening time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: What you think of?
Speaker 4: That's what I think about.
Speaker 8: Is it weird to see it resurfacing in so many ways?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: HBO has a special mind Hunt just did a whole
Speaker 2: season on it.
Speaker 4: I watched it. I watched the documentary and uh, what's
Speaker 4: my man name? Will Packard? The one the one that
Speaker 4: they did. I watched it and it was, you know,
Speaker 4: it was, you know, definitely informative. You know, not not
Speaker 4: to be able to look back on the you know,
Speaker 4: the experience as an adult, you know, it's it's kind
Speaker 4: of uh, it's it's really sobering to look back on
Speaker 4: it now. It was surreal as a child because we
Speaker 4: were terrified and we just didn't really know where this
Speaker 4: this evil you know, uh, you know what kind of
Speaker 4: what what what corner it would come from? You know
Speaker 4: what what what it would jump out from behind, so
Speaker 4: you know, everybody was being careful and I just remember
Speaker 4: that being you know, just a time of just a
Speaker 4: closeness and togetherness and just trying to be protective of
Speaker 4: one another, you know what I mean. And yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Slight confession anytime it is where you mentioned the Commodores,
Speaker 1: because whenever they would show Wayne william I'd always think
Speaker 1: of Walter Clyde Orange, the drumm in the Commodore.
Speaker 6: That's right, that because Williams.
Speaker 3: It was the glasses.
Speaker 4: They actually they resembled each other. Damn, you're right. It's
Speaker 4: crazy because Goodie Mob's manager, her name is Lakeisha Orange.
Speaker 6: She's that's that's her uncle.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, what that was true?
Speaker 4: True story?
Speaker 3: Damn Damn.
Speaker 1: Was Goodie Mob your first musical venture or like did
Speaker 1: you did you have other groups growing up in in Atlanta?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I had one other group before Goodie Mob.
Speaker 4: I had a I was in a in a crew
Speaker 4: called a G A Style with my man Ali l
Speaker 4: who was from Jersey, my man d J.
Speaker 6: Wynne who passed some years ago.
Speaker 4: Over CJ. Wayne just a birthday his cousin Q, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know, and oh DJ will got to shout
Speaker 4: him out sugar Bear. Uh so, yeah, no, but but
Speaker 4: we were just kind of you know in Atlanta, we
Speaker 4: had uh the uh the temporary service agencies of where
Speaker 4: you can just kind of sign up and be a
Speaker 4: part of their roster and they would call you kind
Speaker 4: of randomly, you know, you know, on any given morning
Speaker 4: and be like, hey, are you available for work at
Speaker 4: this warehouse or this that of the third I mean
Speaker 4: like so yah, yeah, so we would all you know,
Speaker 4: get jobs together and you know, pull money together. Like
Speaker 4: so that was my first support system. They were all
Speaker 4: older than me. I've always been, you know, the the
Speaker 4: youngest and and any crew that I've been in. So
Speaker 4: ali Al ended up marrying my sister and you know,
Speaker 4: having two beautiful daughters, my nieces, and so like, you know,
Speaker 4: they were they were family and they were kind of
Speaker 4: really looking out for me because around the time, I
Speaker 4: was really at risk youth and I was getting into
Speaker 4: a a lot of trouble, and you know, they really
Speaker 4: gave me some some structure, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: because they were there was they were straight laced guys,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like no really no drinking,
Speaker 4: no smoking, just to working back and putting money together
Speaker 4: to you know, buy studio time and just doing it,
Speaker 4: doing it the you know, the real way, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 6: So uh, you know, I owe a lot.
Speaker 4: I did a gratitude to them because they really gave
Speaker 4: me quite a bit of my my moral viber.
Speaker 3: How deep was or how strong was the first wave?
Speaker 1: I mean, I consider the Leaface era the second wave
Speaker 1: of Atlanta's or maybe the beginning being Bobby Brown moving
Speaker 1: to Atlanta.
Speaker 3: But for the.
Speaker 2: Olympics, like post Olympics, it felt like is when stuff started.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, Bobby moved there in I think in
Speaker 1: eighty eight eighty nine, and I thought that's weird, Like
Speaker 1: why would he not go to Hollywood like everyone else?
Speaker 1: So right, I mean, but you know, I knew, like
Speaker 1: people Bryson moved down there. I knew like certain people
Speaker 1: knew something about Atlanta that the rest of the world
Speaker 1: didn't know. But like how prominent I mean besides Brick, Like,
Speaker 1: how prominent was.
Speaker 3: The music industry in Atlanta in your teen years?
Speaker 4: Well, we definitely knew of Brick. Jimmy Brown from Brick.
Speaker 3: Who's playing that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Sleepy Brown's dad, you know, playing that iconic
Speaker 4: flute solo on on Dazz, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So we knew about Brick, and we knew about Cameo,
Speaker 4: uh the s O S band, Princess and Starbreys, who
Speaker 4: ends up being Miss Deborah Killings, who's who's ended up
Speaker 4: doing all of the background work for TLC and played
Speaker 4: bass on on so many other you know, famous records.
Speaker 3: That's right, she is playing based on elevators. I think
Speaker 3: that's right. That's her playing baseball.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. So you know, on the on the wrap side,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like we had M. C.
Speaker 4: Shy D who was from he was from New York.
Speaker 4: But he's like the first like breakout dude, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Like, you know, but there was you know,
Speaker 4: only a other couple of rap sensations that came out
Speaker 4: of around that time. So it was just mainly about
Speaker 4: the funking soul bands at that time. And I think
Speaker 4: I think maybe it would have probably would have would
Speaker 4: have attracted Bobby brown Chair and it probably was Dione
Speaker 4: Sanders or something like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know, uh, you know, I guess Larry Blackman did
Speaker 4: did produce his first rest.
Speaker 3: He produced his first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe maybe he came to atlnt of the
Speaker 4: work with Larry. Larry of course was a mental on mind. Now,
Speaker 4: I talked to him all the time and him just
Speaker 4: had birth birthdays recently, So yeah, I talked to him
Speaker 4: all of the time.
Speaker 3: Lives doing. Man, he's still cool. How's he doing.
Speaker 4: He's good, man, He's really easy going, just like a
Speaker 4: soft spoken old gez. You know, just just done a lot,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it's a it's a
Speaker 4: lot of love whenever I talked to him, because I
Speaker 4: could just I can, I could quote him so well,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I just feel like, yo,
Speaker 4: like let me just love on him, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? And you know he at at one point
Speaker 4: I had introduced him to my management from Primary Way
Speaker 4: and they were represented the group for a short while
Speaker 4: to trying to help them, you know, get their their
Speaker 4: ownership and their masters back and stuff like that. You know,
Speaker 4: but you know, we befriended each other throughout that that time. Uh,
Speaker 4: he's just he's just a great all around guy. Talented,
Speaker 4: just this an unsound individual, so talented. Man.
Speaker 8: I still touched the stage this cameo.
Speaker 6: Still, Yeah, I think I think they still tour.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how I said to me now, but
Speaker 4: I know, like a few years back, they were still
Speaker 4: moving around and they actually, you know, so this would
Speaker 4: be five years ago because at my fortieth birthday they
Speaker 4: were surprised guest performance for me at my fortieth birthday,
Speaker 4: So everybody came out, you know, did all did all
Speaker 4: of the greats? I used to I used to love
Speaker 4: Alligator Woman.
Speaker 5: Ye know, they're yeah, there's all vanity on the cover.
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't really know what that was. What
Speaker 6: kind of music is this?
Speaker 1: When we you and D'Angelo love that song? Man was
Speaker 1: my doing, but they also how I got them. It's
Speaker 1: like a little sort of a new wave nod. They're
Speaker 1: nons a new wave. Yeah, I think it definitely was
Speaker 1: a nod to new wave. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I end up over hearing some conversations. Maybe I
Speaker 1: watched the interview with James and he was basically saying
Speaker 1: that super Freak was inspired by Devo's whip It. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: so I think everybody was trying to trying to cash
Speaker 1: in on Yeah. Yeah, what can you put together or
Speaker 1: or properly put in context, how the Dungeon family gets built,
Speaker 1: like instead of just asking like how did Goodie Mob form?
Speaker 1: How did the entire collective become that? Or was it
Speaker 1: just a mythical marketing thing or like no, were you
Speaker 1: guys teenagers in the beginning and then had a plan
Speaker 1: to well?
Speaker 4: At the time, Rico Wade and Sleepy Brown were part
Speaker 4: of a dance troupe called Guests and the dance Troops
Speaker 4: were the superstars in the city at that time, because
Speaker 4: you know, all of the you know, all of the
Speaker 4: high schools had different tenant shows, so it's basically going
Speaker 4: around like on a promo tour, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: in the city. So they were kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: locally celebrated, you know, because you know they were you know,
Speaker 4: they were one of the more famous ones. It's them
Speaker 4: the stray Cats, you know what I mean, Like, which
Speaker 4: was a gang I was a part of. I was
Speaker 4: part of the Straight Cats, like a gang. You guys
Speaker 4: for me were young drove from Atlanta? Yes, okay, okay,
Speaker 4: So y'all know how Joe dressed dress. Joe dress is
Speaker 4: like he's he grew up in you know, like he's
Speaker 4: a part of a golf community on the back, like
Speaker 4: he's basically like super prep, super prep. So like it's
Speaker 4: like the Atlanta version of the low Lights in New.
Speaker 5: York met Chers and howell on them boys, you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we was on it real hard like that
Speaker 4: in Atlanta too, so like three tons and Bennetton bags
Speaker 4: and tennis rackets and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: You know, I just had on the fair Tree to
Speaker 6: the other day.
Speaker 1: Man, Like anyway, they.
Speaker 3: Still du dre he had his online years ago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did align with them. I got I got
Speaker 4: a couple of boxes, you know, courtesy of the homide.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: But but no, okay, So to answer the question, So yeah,
Speaker 4: so everybody knew them. And then they were also a
Speaker 4: part of R and B crew called the You Boys.
Speaker 4: So it was Sleeping Brown, Rico Way, mister DJ who
Speaker 4: ended up being the DJ for Outcasting He's Rico's cousin,
Speaker 4: and Marquez Elf who ended up writing water. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So they were a group called the You Boys.
Speaker 4: And I remember I had gotten I had gotten expelled
Speaker 4: from the Atlanta public school system, so I couldn't even
Speaker 4: go to school in Atlanta, so I had to be uh,
Speaker 4: I had to be taken away to Gainesville Georgia, and
Speaker 4: I went to Riverside Military Riverside Military Academy.
Speaker 6: I was, I was, I was, I was something else
Speaker 6: as a kid.
Speaker 4: I'm just just troublesome, man. I don't know, bro, I
Speaker 4: was just getting so much trouble. I don't know what
Speaker 4: was wrong with me at that time. But yeah, so
Speaker 4: so I came back. I came back, and I had
Speaker 4: to go to Frank McLaren Alternative School, which was a
Speaker 4: school for dropouts. And so me and D three thousand
Speaker 4: were classmates, uh in the third grade. So we went
Speaker 4: to elementary school together and we were like we were
Speaker 4: play cousins, so we were really we were really close.
Speaker 4: It was like my brother when we when we were babies,
Speaker 4: pretty much. And so I ended up coming back to
Speaker 4: Atlanta enrolling in Frank McLaren Alternative School, which was across
Speaker 4: the railroad tracks from Tri Cities, so, which is where
Speaker 4: he had dropped out of school. So we both would
Speaker 4: dropouts and we were going trying to get that ged
Speaker 4: and that's when we reconnected that after having not having
Speaker 4: seen each other for years. Okay, so I saw a
Speaker 4: you boys picture there. It was like, you know, how
Speaker 4: you might see something they may have been passing out
Speaker 4: those those black and white you know groups, you know
Speaker 4: where they got the managerial So it was that, but
Speaker 4: it was on the ground and I just recognized, you know,
Speaker 4: I had I recognized Steepe Brown from from dancing in
Speaker 4: the talent shows because they were they were famous, they
Speaker 4: were they like the hottest ones around for a long time.
Speaker 4: So he always had a look about himself. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I recognized him, and I recognized my quiz elfemish too,
Speaker 4: So I saw that me and Drake hooked back up.
Speaker 4: That's that. I introduced him to DJ Win and DJ
Speaker 4: Li and I tried to get them to be a
Speaker 4: part of the GA style and we went over with
Speaker 4: just some little you know. They they did their first
Speaker 4: demo with DJ Win that you know, that didn't work,
Speaker 4: did I remember? One day they came back up to
Speaker 4: school with some look and then he introduced me to
Speaker 4: Oh the day he introduced me to Big Boy is
Speaker 4: when I took them to meet DJ Win. So they
Speaker 4: took the train over there, they came up to the school,
Speaker 4: we all rode the train, the DJ Wins and and
Speaker 4: that that's that. But like shortly after that they came
Speaker 4: back and it was like, Yo, we met these we
Speaker 4: met these dudes, and he was talking about organized noise.
Speaker 4: He's like yo, He's like yo, he said, yo, dude,
Speaker 4: this is cool. But man, these dudes, but they got
Speaker 4: some fucking you know what I mean, they got some
Speaker 4: you know. So then you know, this is like ninety
Speaker 4: ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess what year? What year the DOS Effects come out?
Speaker 4: Like ninety two, ninety one?
Speaker 3: Yeah, ninety one. That was dead serious ninety one.
Speaker 4: All right, So that was that your marketing level, because
Speaker 4: because that's what we was on. I mean, like you
Speaker 4: know that would I mean it was it was it
Speaker 4: was DOS Effects for me and Dre, it was Doc Effects.
Speaker 6: It was leaders of the New School. I forgot who.
Speaker 4: Else may have been rocking at that time.
Speaker 3: So Sol was a big influence. I definitely influenced Outcast.
Speaker 4: Yes, a mister, come on, tj Oko, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, no, you know, Domino Casual.
Speaker 1: So there was definitely an openness to well, I guess
Speaker 1: there wasn't territorial markings until ninety three ninety.
Speaker 3: Four, but yeah, we ain't look at it like then.
Speaker 3: When you were open to anything in the South.
Speaker 5: We had to study everything, man, That's why we had
Speaker 5: to study.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we loved it, and I'm saying we loved it.
Speaker 4: Uh so, So basically I'm trying to narrow the story down. Okay,
Speaker 4: So a good friend of mine, pretty Ken, Pretty Ken,
Speaker 4: ended up being a good friend of mine, and he
Speaker 4: ended up you know, so.
Speaker 1: I always who he was because you shouted him out
Speaker 1: the good I was like, who.
Speaker 4: So pretty Kid and my cousin floating they ended up
Speaker 4: creating the Addict Crew. Now, me and Kidd were like Kendricks,
Speaker 4: Kendrick Spirits, and when when I was introduced to Overnight's Noise,
Speaker 4: you know, he was he was like my role dog.
Speaker 4: I was living with Ken at the time, so like
Speaker 4: we went over there together. But our tones of voice, personalities,
Speaker 4: you know, swagging the whole thing. We were like we
Speaker 4: were bulls and buddies. So like they just you know,
Speaker 4: they took to me a little bit more and wanted
Speaker 4: to work with me, and they just felt like me
Speaker 4: and Kid were two similar. So you know, he ended
Speaker 4: up out of the Attic Crew, which would give you
Speaker 4: Jim pro prolo to.
Speaker 6: Don the young Blood and in that whole movement.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty cad.
Speaker 6: But his cousin, Fat Keith, was a friend of mine.
Speaker 3: That's name I'll too. I'm giving you all these nighbors.
Speaker 4: Me and Fat Keith were a green brow mall right.
Speaker 4: So we're walking past, you know, the door, about to
Speaker 4: leave out. There's like ten payphones in a row. There's
Speaker 4: this dude standing there with his back to us. Keith
Speaker 4: recognizes him and he taped it on the shoulder, this
Speaker 4: Marquez Inflix. And then I recognized him from the picture.
Speaker 4: I said, because you know, I got like a photographic
Speaker 4: memory down there. So I'm like, okay, that's the homework
Speaker 4: for that picture. I saw, like you know or whatever.
Speaker 4: So he said, Yo, my homeboy singing and he could rapt.
Speaker 4: He should check him out, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I stood, I went outside with him and I
Speaker 4: sang for him, I rap form and he said, well,
Speaker 4: I was actually on the phone trying to call over
Speaker 4: to the dungeon. He said, I know that they're there,
Speaker 4: but you know, maybe the music is up two louds
Speaker 4: or something. And Keith was like, we'll take you over there.
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 4: And he was like, yo, it's like you know one
Speaker 4: sixty six you know what I mean, like, which is
Speaker 4: the expressway, you know over by the fair grounds. I said,
Speaker 4: we know it's you know, it's like ten minutes up
Speaker 4: the road. So he jumps in the truck with us.
Speaker 4: I go over to the dungeon and I'm leaving at
Speaker 4: one part one time. So after after drean bing introducing it,
Speaker 4: and the thing didn't work out with DJ when they
Speaker 4: came back when they said man were about to do
Speaker 4: a showcase full of face records, they had on the
Speaker 4: face Records t shirts and they both had blonde hair
Speaker 4: They had blunt, short blonde haircuts, and they were calling
Speaker 4: themselves two Shades DJ at the time.
Speaker 6: So Dre's original.
Speaker 4: Rap name was Jazz j A h Z Jazz and
Speaker 4: big Boy Big big Boys, big boys, you know, given
Speaker 4: the names.
Speaker 6: Antoine, so it was Jazz and twin.
Speaker 4: So so you know, they haven't even know what that
Speaker 4: vibe was. That sound like a do y'all remember do
Speaker 4: you remember Dallas Austin's first group of Highland placed monsters.
Speaker 6: Just get okay, let's get niggad. So you remember Tip Maniac?
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.
Speaker 4: Me and Tip were like play brothers too, so people
Speaker 4: thought we looked alike, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 4: like Tip is like he was just like me. He
Speaker 4: like a real food and that's why he got his
Speaker 4: nickname maniac, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Like, so he's really talented to guy, just just you know,
Speaker 9: just one of those over the you know, over the top,
Speaker 9: you know, you know, one of those one of those torture.
Speaker 4: Soul type type, you know, tragedy cats man, you know,
Speaker 4: like a good guy though loving her death. But anyway,
Speaker 4: so a small community in Atlanta, So I gotta say
Speaker 4: this part so fact. He takes us over to the dungeon.
Speaker 4: I remember, I'm recalling conversation from Dre and Big the
Speaker 4: day that they said they were gonna get signed to
Speaker 4: the face.
Speaker 6: So we go to the dungeon, Sleepy Brown sitting there.
Speaker 4: I recognized him from a You Boys picture. I sang
Speaker 4: for him and he's like, okay, cool, I like it.
Speaker 4: Then he comes Rico walking in the door with Dry
Speaker 4: and Big. They had just stepped out to go and
Speaker 4: get something to eat. Drace, you know, with excitement saying
Speaker 4: that's my dude, That's what I was telling you about
Speaker 4: this Sea Low. He's the one that does all of
Speaker 4: the story raps because at that time, you know, our
Speaker 4: rhyme like that, like I was on some you know
Speaker 4: slick Rick. That was like saying, you know, so anyway,
Speaker 4: that's it. So I sang again for Rico and then
Speaker 4: you know we ended up you know, reconnecting and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah left that night.
Speaker 6: And then two other homeboys of mine.
Speaker 4: This is like months later, Big j D and Killer Bee,
Speaker 4: two of the homie hustlers from high school.
Speaker 6: You could tell they was getting money in high school.
Speaker 4: You know, he had to. He had that. He had
Speaker 4: that black grand jeep Cherokee with the gold package.
Speaker 6: And the BBS is you know what I mean, like
Speaker 6: in high school.
Speaker 4: In high school, like you remember the one Heavy It's
Speaker 4: the one Heavy D pulled up in in the self
Speaker 4: destruction video. He had a red one call that. So anyway,
Speaker 4: so that so they was managing me at the time,
Speaker 4: you know, because they met they even though I knew them,
Speaker 4: they didn't know. Nobody knew I did music. Everybody knew
Speaker 4: me for getting into getting into ship and like you
Speaker 4: go get go, get Carlo, He'll he'll do it. That
Speaker 4: was that kind of guy, you know. So we were
Speaker 4: at we were at my homeboy Glenn Cook's house. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you.
Speaker 1: We're keep going keep I'm more amazed that you were
Speaker 1: debo in this situation.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, like that prince b out this mother then
Speaker 3: from the.
Speaker 4: District. I was school the whole district. Plus I was
Speaker 4: bowl like that whole you know, rabbing motherfuckers for starting
Speaker 4: jackets and stuff like that. That was me. That's what
Speaker 4: I say.
Speaker 8: Now it's coming. All right, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 4: It's true. No music.
Speaker 6: Music, music totally saved my life.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: All right, wait, I just gotta, I gotta, I gotta
Speaker 1: preface because the thing is my favorite verse you ever
Speaker 1: did on on uh still standing the.
Speaker 3: Gutta but always yeah, he gave up the gut a butter.
Speaker 3: And in my mind, I'm like, you look an tell
Speaker 3: a tall tale, like.
Speaker 1: Can't about that life, But damn you play it well, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: You really is living.
Speaker 4: No dude, I'm telling you a question. If you just
Speaker 4: probably do just an interview with anybody else from Atlanta,
Speaker 4: they'll take you. I don't really like to talk about it, man,
Speaker 4: but because I don't know, it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 3: I know, Jesus.
Speaker 4: Definitely, most definitely. So listen, I don't want to I
Speaker 4: don't want to lose it. So so okay, they I
Speaker 4: battled Koo Joe, Kujo and Big Gip pulled up to
Speaker 4: our homie Glenn Cook's house. He was he was like,
Speaker 4: who's the guy from American Pie? Uh Stiffler.
Speaker 6: So Cook was like Stiffler.
Speaker 4: He had He's the black stiffler the other neighborhood. Like
Speaker 4: you know, if there was he was the one that
Speaker 4: had to cut parties at his house. He could always
Speaker 4: go at any point today, somebody was there, you know,
Speaker 4: just bring some beer and and you know that's when
Speaker 4: that's when we were still we were still going in
Speaker 4: dollars a piece.
Speaker 6: On nickel, bands of weed and you know, just broke
Speaker 6: and stuff, broke hood ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: By you know, we couldn't even afford to buy the
Speaker 4: whole pack of newports. Just go get four newports like
Speaker 4: Loucy's and Duce Duce cold forty five old drinking forty ounces.
Speaker 6: It was that era. It was that era.
Speaker 4: Man, Okay, I battled, I battled Kujo because killer be
Speaker 4: you know he I'll just say it, because he was
Speaker 4: a wee guy at that time, but he was. He
Speaker 4: ended up being my manager because they you know, and
Speaker 4: so he played me Kujo and Timo's demo. So originally
Speaker 4: they they were the goodie mob Lumberjacks, you know.
Speaker 6: And so I heard their demo and I was like, damn.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I knew Timo because he grew up a street over
Speaker 4: from me. His family's house is a street over from
Speaker 4: my grandmother's house that I grew up. So I've known
Speaker 4: him my whole life too. He's like the second person
Speaker 4: I've known the longest, him Dre and then Backbone I've known.
Speaker 4: I've known them all my life, you know. So anyway,
Speaker 4: I used to hear about Willie. I heard about his legend.
Speaker 4: Let will Kujo. The girls called him. He was voted
Speaker 4: most attractive. And you know, my sister that would come
Speaker 4: home because she she graduated in their class. So Kujo, Timo,
Speaker 4: and Gilt graduated with my sister. So I'm three, I'm
Speaker 4: three years older than them, but I knew so. But
Speaker 4: WILLI was just kind of like hunk of a dude,
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, you know. But he was like a brawler,
Speaker 4: like Patrick Swayzee and Roadhouse so like you know, so
Speaker 4: around so around that time, it was about it wasn't
Speaker 4: about games. It's most certainly about games in Atlanta now,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't about games. It was about rival high schools.
Speaker 4: So we grew up how like the movie Outsiders was,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, you know we we we
Speaker 4: fought in that same part that that was at the
Speaker 4: at the end of my street. All of the high
Speaker 4: school fights would take it to the wreck, that's what
Speaker 4: they call it. It was short for recreation center. Let's
Speaker 4: take it to the wreck. So I stepped there and
Speaker 4: I witnessed a handful of high school all battle royals.
Speaker 4: And you know, but I was an underclassman, you know,
Speaker 4: I was really looking for my turn. So I was
Speaker 4: really making noise in my in my grade. And then
Speaker 4: I eventually started hanging with the older dudes and started
Speaker 4: going over there and getting into those fights and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, you know what I'm saying. So so with
Speaker 4: that cook, I battled so uh, killer B was selling
Speaker 4: us the weed. But the end of the end up being
Speaker 4: my manager. He witnessed He became my manager because he
Speaker 4: witnessed me battle Kujo, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like and I'll say that it was a draw, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, you know it was it was friendly, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, but you know I had the
Speaker 4: secret weapon.
Speaker 6: I started singing on him and all kinds of ship
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It was like that. But you know, a lot of
Speaker 4: people like to give me the credit for being maybe
Speaker 4: one of the first to do that, them to let
Speaker 4: myself Lawrence Hill. But I'm like, nah, I'm going all
Speaker 4: the way back to force some d's and UTR phone,
Speaker 4: you know, cold crushing and all of those routines they
Speaker 4: used to do with the harmony.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I was gonna say the one promo thing
Speaker 1: that I've ever missed in the history of roots was
Speaker 1: when they rent to a radio station.
Speaker 3: Do you remember this night?
Speaker 1: Yes, we freestyted, you know, I remember all y'all freestyle together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, comal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was on YouTube.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll admit it now.
Speaker 1: I met I met, I met a bad shorty in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and I I feigned sickness with the record label like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I really got aheadache, I can't make this,
Speaker 1: And they went to radio like normally I would. I'll
Speaker 1: be the first to hide up good for you a
Speaker 1: radio station, So.
Speaker 4: Question, can I can I can I get on another
Speaker 4: one for a second.
Speaker 6: I used to love distortion to Static. Do you know that?
Speaker 4: I mean like I got that that maybe right before that,
Speaker 4: I think I got maybe like the promo copy.
Speaker 6: Of do You Want More?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. And I remember telling Tyreek
Speaker 4: and you know, no you know him, like I say, like, yo,
Speaker 4: I really liked the album, bro. He said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: what song do you like? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: you feel me like?
Speaker 6: He was kind of like.
Speaker 3: Always stop asking people that, so and so you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm not making it up because I remember, like
Speaker 4: it was yesterday, and I said, oh, I like you
Speaker 4: know the social static obviously you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: like proceed and I said, like, and then I love
Speaker 4: Lazy Afternoon.
Speaker 6: He was like, oh shit, I'm saying you.
Speaker 4: And I think I think that was kind of like
Speaker 4: the beginning of a bond because then we ultimately didnt
Speaker 4: end up doing one of our first our first tour together.
Speaker 3: Y'all, y'all made y'all made such an impression.
Speaker 1: I remember we we had spent we had spent a
Speaker 1: good three years just in isolation living in Europe. So
Speaker 1: when we finally came back to the state till ninety five,
Speaker 1: like we didn't we didn't have friends yet, like there
Speaker 1: was there was no common d'angela, Like there was none
Speaker 1: of that like the click that we had. So we
Speaker 1: were just kind of out there in the open. And
Speaker 1: y'all were really the first people that we befriended, and
Speaker 1: like that that shipment a lot, like y'all.
Speaker 3: Y'all came to that show.
Speaker 1: I think there was a show that we did with
Speaker 1: the Far Side, and I think that you guys came
Speaker 1: as like an outdoor show at one of those spots.
Speaker 1: But the map, Yeah, but yeah, no, you you were
Speaker 1: always That's how I know you're a hip hop ped
Speaker 1: and and and into that. So how once you guys
Speaker 1: got together, Like how especially now, like I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine how it is to navigate in a group, Like
Speaker 1: how do you determine who does what and concepts and
Speaker 1: what you guys are?
Speaker 4: Okay, so I'll cap it off by saying kill it be.
Speaker 4: And j D started to manage me after they witnessed
Speaker 4: that battle, and then some months and then they were
Speaker 4: trying to kind of show me that they were, you know, credible.
Speaker 4: You know. They came and picked me up one night,
Speaker 4: you know, and then they took me to Jermaine Dupree's house.
Speaker 4: And this is when they were shooting the video for Crisscross. Uh,
Speaker 4: everything's all right, it's the record they had. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: that was at Jermaine's house and I.
Speaker 6: Remember that and I said, okay, so it's.
Speaker 4: Like they were showing you things. We're introducing you exposed,
Speaker 4: and we're like all right, you know, cool whatever, you know.
Speaker 4: So then they ended up taking me to the Dungeon again.
Speaker 4: And when we were pulling up on the dungeon, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I said, this place looks familiar. So long
Speaker 4: story short, they brought me back to the dungeon and
Speaker 4: everybody was there. So I said, I've been here before.
Speaker 4: I go in the door, dre, big, sleepy ring, everybody
Speaker 4: who I just met months prior because of Fat Keith
Speaker 4: and Markquz they were all there, in addition to Gip
Speaker 4: and t MO and everybody just pulling up and it
Speaker 4: was just traffic over there.
Speaker 6: And I was like, wow, like this like my whole
Speaker 6: neighborhood in this little bitty house, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So that's how the Dungeon family came together. Now, as
Speaker 6: far as the song structure, I'll be I'll be totally
Speaker 6: and how we and what the system is. Man, what
Speaker 6: happened was with the success of outcasts. You know, everybody
Speaker 6: came in as individuals.
Speaker 4: Let's say, for example, Big Gip and Cool Breeze were
Speaker 4: in a group called the East Point Chain Gang. So
Speaker 4: Gip came over as a solo artist. Now, if you notice,
Speaker 4: Gip had always had everybody was. Gip was poised to
Speaker 4: be the next superstar, you know what I mean, Because
Speaker 4: you know Dirty South, which which was the third single
Speaker 4: off of Soul Food. You know, it featured him in
Speaker 4: Cool Breeze. He was just paying a respect to his og.
Speaker 4: Cool Breeze is his og, and Cool bree came up
Speaker 4: with the key coin the phrase dirty South. But technically
Speaker 4: otherwise that would have been a gift solo song because
Speaker 4: it's Ghip, Koobre's and Big Boy.
Speaker 6: And then the second.
Speaker 4: Album, Black Ice, which was a second single because I
Speaker 4: well know nobody, nobody was on it. It was just
Speaker 4: get big and get big and dre you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So they were really looking for him to
Speaker 4: really be the next the next big thing. So with
Speaker 4: that being said, goodie mom. You know, the Soul Food
Speaker 4: album was essentially meant to be intended to be a
Speaker 4: compilation album to get everybody out at the same time.
Speaker 6: So we weren't even formally a group.
Speaker 1: So if you'll just put together.
Speaker 6: So yeah, if you basically, but it's it's kind.
Speaker 4: Of like the practicality of a Rico Wade and the
Speaker 4: vision of a Rico Wad because you know, let's say
Speaker 4: I was featured on Get Up, Get Out, you know,
Speaker 4: which was another outcast song off of their album, and
Speaker 4: Kujo t won't call it a while me and Big
Speaker 4: Gibble on get Up, Get Out.
Speaker 6: Get Up get Out ended up being a single, but
Speaker 6: us being so totally ignorant and naive about radio format
Speaker 6: that song.
Speaker 4: Lyph this minutes. Yeah, we didn't know. We really didn't know, right,
Speaker 4: So they had to put out an outcast version of
Speaker 4: a goodie my version. So anyway, there was some interest
Speaker 4: in me as a solo artist, but I was kind
Speaker 4: of new over over to the dungeon, so.
Speaker 6: You know, if it would it would have been wrong.
Speaker 4: And to be totally honest, I can, I can I
Speaker 4: can say that I wasn't prepared to be a solo artist,
Speaker 4: but they wanted to give me a solo.
Speaker 6: Deal, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I was all up to get in a group
Speaker 4: with the Homeboys that I had known from the neighborhood,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, like, so that's what goody mother
Speaker 4: I said.
Speaker 6: You know, you know this is easy enough.
Speaker 4: I know the.
Speaker 6: Homeboys, so but you know, I'm the baby that group.
Speaker 4: I'm a lot. I tend to be more vocal than
Speaker 4: just about everybody, so people kind of like misconstrue that.
Speaker 6: But like now everybody's older than me, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, and.
Speaker 4: Like three years.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that could be ship and that's a lot
Speaker 3: make a difference to me too.
Speaker 2: Now it makes sense when I because I went to
Speaker 2: Clark By the time all this was happening, I was
Speaker 2: at CEU, and I used to see Selo on Spelman
Speaker 2: campus and stuff all the time, just like chilling, because
Speaker 2: that's what people did.
Speaker 4: You used to see me down there in the in Pola.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like sitting on the.
Speaker 4: Wall, that's it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was down there.
Speaker 2: Because I was like, I wanted you to talk about
Speaker 2: like so you talked about the beginnings of how y'all
Speaker 2: all got together?
Speaker 8: But by the time I got.
Speaker 2: To Atlanta, it was a scene that was being set
Speaker 2: that was like no other pre like black black, Black Lily,
Speaker 2: like with you guys, funk.
Speaker 4: Jet are you telling y'all? Because like you know, Spike
Speaker 4: Lee filmed school days there, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: the au that was popping, It's like that was like
Speaker 4: the strip. I mean, like if you had a nice
Speaker 4: whip or something like that, you ride through that, you know,
Speaker 4: hollering at the college girls and this that and the
Speaker 4: third so like it was just this little vicinity, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like you know of just like socialization,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And it's like right next
Speaker 4: to the hood. So it's like, so whatever you want.
Speaker 8: We don't have Morris Brown at the time.
Speaker 4: But so look, no, no, your question, answer your question.
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I'm clear, all right.
Speaker 4: So with that being said, I just me. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm like I write songs like playwrights, like screenplays, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, So like I have to have
Speaker 4: a visual, I mean, like something to anchor me down,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like you know, okay, like
Speaker 4: we're talking about this, we're talking about that, and then
Speaker 4: I know how to summarize, and I know how to paraphrase.
Speaker 4: But you then you got artists like you know Kujo
Speaker 4: who you know this, and I mean this with the
Speaker 4: utmost respect. He's like fucking Hannibal Lecter, you know, man,
Speaker 4: where he could he could, he could take his When
Speaker 4: I first met Kujo, he was we would go to
Speaker 4: the liquor store, have a forty yars old English. He
Speaker 4: would finish the forty and take the brown paper bag
Speaker 4: and write a rhyme on the paper bag. Or I
Speaker 4: saw him write rhymes on a roll of toilet tissue.
Speaker 4: So he would do really cool you know, you know,
Speaker 4: swageristic eccentric shit like that, which made everybody be like
Speaker 4: taking a notice to you know, like this big Kujo,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So you know, so you know,
Speaker 4: you know, I thought that kind of stuff was amazing,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And you remember, know what their role was in the
Speaker 3: group or how they were perceived.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm kind of like that. I was kind of
Speaker 4: like project manager, you know what I mean, Like you know,
Speaker 4: I you know, I came up with the the concept
Speaker 4: of the soul food, uh you know, I came up
Speaker 4: with that title. I came up with the concept of
Speaker 4: know Kujo being the meat because things that he was
Speaker 4: saying was kind of tough to chew, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like, you know, uh t. Timo was the
Speaker 4: bread because Timo was just kind of like independent dude,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm saying, like, but man, can I live
Speaker 4: off bread alone? And Get was the vegetables because Gip
Speaker 4: is like, you know, this politician. He knows how to
Speaker 4: you know, wrangle and galvanize and get people together and like,
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm like the water because I'm there
Speaker 4: to be the transparency and the clarification because everybody was
Speaker 4: trying to you know, interject with new slang and you know,
Speaker 4: it was a whole new identity and even I, even
Speaker 4: I didn't understand what some some of what was being said.
Speaker 4: So I kind of like assumed the position to just
Speaker 4: make sure that we were translating, you know, the right way,
Speaker 4: because I knew what we were doing was important, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you feel me, And it was
Speaker 4: imperative that you know, like we were received, you know,
Speaker 4: and seeing in the right light. I mean, so that's
Speaker 4: kind of like me. I'm still like that to this day.
Speaker 4: But you know, you know, it's it's hard to know
Speaker 4: a lot without being seen as a know it all?
Speaker 4: Can you dig it? And I can be I can't.
Speaker 4: I can be a little controlling, but it's but it's
Speaker 4: always about the quality control, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: as long as you know yeah, I know, I know,
Speaker 4: And it ends up being a louisence a little bit,
Speaker 4: but like it's for the greater good, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, like just trying to make sure that we're good,
Speaker 4: appreciate product, see question, That's what you gotta be for
Speaker 4: the you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I know that I know you can relate to that.
Speaker 3: I would say.
Speaker 5: So I kind of caught hell, uh a little hell
Speaker 5: on the on the on the internet. Couple out of
Speaker 5: a month or so ago. I did an interview me
Speaker 5: and Phoo, We did an interview with my man Piso
Speaker 5: h out of hip hop site out of Vegas.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: Well, we just were naming our favorite records and they
Speaker 5: would play the records, you know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 5: talked about it, and so one of the records that
Speaker 5: Phoo named was at Lings, and so he brought up
Speaker 5: at Alings and we were talking about it what ever,
Speaker 5: and they got on me because I said, well, now
Speaker 5: is it time to admit And you don't have to
Speaker 5: weigh in on this, se Lop, but this was just
Speaker 5: my thought. Can we admit now that Soul Food was
Speaker 5: a better album than at Aliens?
Speaker 3: Oh my gods was hot?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 3: Right, you know what he was?
Speaker 1: And what I want to tell you, man, like specifically
Speaker 1: just to you as an MC, you know, And let
Speaker 1: me be clear, I love atl I mean that's a
Speaker 1: classic fucking record.
Speaker 3: Like I love that album. But for me the way
Speaker 3: I came into Goodie Mob when I bought that album.
Speaker 5: First off, and I've told this story show before, Like
Speaker 5: I actually broke the law to like get y'all's album.
Speaker 5: Like I drove, I ain't have no license, I'm driving
Speaker 5: to the Rex store to buy Soul Food.
Speaker 6: So I bought it.
Speaker 5: So so I bought it, you know, man. So like
Speaker 5: when I first heard Cell Therapy, it was that was
Speaker 5: kind of weird. I was like, Okay, I like this
Speaker 5: this is is kind of weird. And then the B
Speaker 5: sides I had the we had to single first and
Speaker 5: the B side was Soul Food on like the CD,
Speaker 5: you know, and so you had like Soul Food and
Speaker 5: I was like okay, like they say, I was like okay.
Speaker 5: But then when I heard when that ship opened up
Speaker 5: with you singing and then going into thought Process, I
Speaker 5: just thought that was just such a crazy like to
Speaker 5: open an album on such like, because most rap albums
Speaker 5: always started with like the hype that just hitting you
Speaker 5: over the head. To just go into something just so
Speaker 5: like slow and meditate like that ship was fucking haunting.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, this record, these niggas has got
Speaker 3: it and.
Speaker 1: So down I would throw it down and say that
Speaker 1: the day I got the CS Free, I'm sorry you
Speaker 1: was so Free was so to me.
Speaker 3: It was I was so jealous that we didn't create
Speaker 3: some ship like that.
Speaker 1: I think I spent a day listen to Free on
Speaker 1: loop before I even got pat.
Speaker 3: By day two, then I went to Thought Process like
Speaker 3: the whole rest of the record.
Speaker 5: But to me, oh man, that nah, that album, that shit,
Speaker 5: the setting it off like that was amazing.
Speaker 3: And so the thing for me was when I heard
Speaker 3: Soul Food, that was for me just as an MC.
Speaker 5: I never heard anybody be that honest, Betimes, I don't
Speaker 5: even know how I'm gonna eat by twenty dollars away
Speaker 5: from being on the street. I'm like, Damn, these niggas
Speaker 5: is really spitting that shit. And then like your verse
Speaker 5: on guests who like talking about your mom, Yeah, and
Speaker 5: just you know what I mean. So when I heard
Speaker 5: soul Food, I mean, by the time Atlings came around,
Speaker 5: I mean, I liked at Aliens, but the initial punch,
Speaker 5: it kind of felt like y'all had beat them to
Speaker 5: the punch in terms of what I was looking for
Speaker 5: in the next Outcast album.
Speaker 3: Just the soul, the honesty, just every thing.
Speaker 4: For me to be, to be totally honest, I will
Speaker 4: say this, Our Cast has always been our flagship as
Speaker 4: far as Dungeon family is concerned, you know, but we
Speaker 4: had always been fundamentalist, you know, and an even more effective.
Speaker 6: Uh hypothetic.
Speaker 4: Well example is I've described it as this if if
Speaker 4: Dre and Big were Chuck and Flave, we were the
Speaker 4: s one w's yes, yes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That that's that's the relationship, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like even though me being and Dre are the same age,
Speaker 4: you know, and I was supposed to be an outcast originally,
Speaker 4: how hard.
Speaker 1: Is it to to sell this concept and this idea
Speaker 1: in your own hometown because image wise, you guys aren't
Speaker 1: aren't what an outsiders view would think of as traditional
Speaker 1: Atlanta hip hop, and yet you are, I mean, you're
Speaker 1: actually establishing it. Like how how open was the Atlanta
Speaker 1: natives into this concept?
Speaker 3: Was it like you guys are weirdos? Or was it
Speaker 3: like yeah, I feel that shit.
Speaker 4: Too, or like I'll say this, we were like the
Speaker 4: Zulu nation, you know what I mean, Like let's say
Speaker 4: when you know that Africa Bambada, you know what I
Speaker 4: mean that the souls on the forest were the black
Speaker 4: spades just prior you know what I mean? You feel
Speaker 4: me it was kind of like that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody realized that we were using the opportunity for a
Speaker 4: greater good, were not relishing in you know, any of.
Speaker 6: The wrongs that we were you know that we had done,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 4: And that people knew it could have could have attested
Speaker 4: to like you know what I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 4: like damn, like you know, like if anything, we caught
Speaker 4: people by surprise because we were addressing uh, certain issues
Speaker 4: topically trivially, you know, I mean, like you know just
Speaker 4: trying to expound upon who we were, you know, like
Speaker 4: as artists and as individuals, as men, as black men,
Speaker 4: as as activists because I always say that we were
Speaker 4: fighting for the civil rights of southern hip hop at
Speaker 4: that time, you know what I mean? And you know,
Speaker 4: we recorded Soul Food in Curtis Mayfield's home studio, so
Speaker 4: our icons, you know, I mean, like they were alive
Speaker 4: and well, and we knew that they were watching, and
Speaker 4: we knew that we needed to do something with some
Speaker 4: reverence and some respects.
Speaker 5: On uh on the did you say Mayfield on the
Speaker 5: New World Order album? The one did you co write?
Speaker 5: One of those records?
Speaker 4: That? No, I didn't, but some of the stuff that
Speaker 4: I wrote it didn't really make it. But I was
Speaker 4: working at the time with with the O G.
Speaker 6: Cool Ace, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You feel me? Yeah?
Speaker 6: You so for those I gotta shout out kool Aids Man,
Speaker 6: kool Aids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, cool as cool as was Gibbs lieutenant in the
Speaker 4: in the Nation of Islam early so, but then he
Speaker 4: digressed and he became a bona fide pimp.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, how are you so that you just like?
Speaker 3: And then he said it makes sense.
Speaker 8: I was, you know, ordinary to see. I just wanted
Speaker 8: you know, that's normal.
Speaker 6: So so, but he's super duper, duper talented and I love. Hey,
Speaker 6: he's a good guy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He's still around, He's still alive.
Speaker 4: He's still he's still around. He's like he's one of
Speaker 4: those dudes, like you know, he holds the amateur knights
Speaker 4: at the strip clubs and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: That's his state. But that's you know, that's not that's
Speaker 6: not even be condescended.
Speaker 4: That's where he wanted to be.
Speaker 6: That's his community.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like that's that's that's what he loved,
Speaker 4: That's what he loved to love, and that's what he
Speaker 4: want to be.
Speaker 2: You think that since you guys came out and such well,
Speaker 2: because Atlanta also is such like a large college town,
Speaker 2: not just in a sense of like the AUC but
Speaker 2: all the colleges there, do you think that that attributed
Speaker 2: to to some of the extra fantage that you had
Speaker 2: at home?
Speaker 4: It did, It did, and and everybody was at that
Speaker 4: time because I'll cast struck a chord because it had
Speaker 4: given Atlanta an identity, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, kingos and you know guess gene shorts and
Speaker 4: pump Pum footies and Stan Smith. I don't know if
Speaker 4: y'all know what I'm saying. So it was that's how
Speaker 4: we dressed in Atlanta, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 4: they hit the nail on the head with the imaging.
Speaker 4: But you know, we we represented like an underbelly, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like you know, you know, and
Speaker 4: an attitude, you know what I mean, Like an aggression
Speaker 4: I mean, and a progression you know, because again we
Speaker 4: felt like we needed to. We knew that we were
Speaker 4: in some regard like front lining. I mean, like you know,
Speaker 4: for for Southern hip hop to be counted, to be
Speaker 4: heard and to be respected. And so you know, I
Speaker 4: believe that Cell Therapy it won with with Atlanta because
Speaker 4: it won with New York first, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: That's the record that got us into the tunnel and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know what I mean, Like and
Speaker 4: we out there, you know, freestyle and with the boot
Speaker 4: camp click and you know, as I got to get
Speaker 4: to meet all of them early, you know, Rock and
Speaker 4: Shine Price and you know the strange wonder, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I was going to ask if you had any
Speaker 1: opinion or reservations about New York Post that source moment
Speaker 1: for Outcast where the South had something to say.
Speaker 6: To be totally honest, can I tell you what I
Speaker 6: was distracted by.
Speaker 4: I heard the booze, but I wasn't really tripping off
Speaker 4: of it, man, Like it was like suspended animation on
Speaker 4: that evening. You know, there was a lot of tension
Speaker 4: because of the East coast West coast thing, but US
Speaker 4: being neutral and us being acknowledged, you know enough to
Speaker 4: even have been there and been in the building. I
Speaker 4: was trying to riding high on that. I had gotten
Speaker 4: some outfit tailor made for it, and I'm saying that
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna take something else that's really cool. Big
Speaker 4: Biggie Smalls was on our was one of our first supporters,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he championed us, you
Speaker 4: know from the inception and off the top. Biggie Small's
Speaker 4: first shows were opening up for us in Atlanta, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Puffy Puffy shot and directed players
Speaker 4: ball for Outcast. So we all started together almost signed
Speaker 4: a bad boy. Andre Horal was my mentor, and I
Speaker 4: mean like it has been like, you know, so resting
Speaker 4: soul so with that. I still remember vividly when we
Speaker 4: were walking up on that stage. I heard the boos
Speaker 4: in my perihew kind of hearing, but I got distracted
Speaker 4: by the sound of BIG's voice sitting right there on
Speaker 4: the front road saying yo, yo, see lo. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, holl hollering at me, you know, and
Speaker 4: showing us love and letting us know that he that
Speaker 4: he rocking with us. And I remember outcast first show
Speaker 4: in New York. We all went together as a crew
Speaker 4: and we were performing. I think it was do you
Speaker 4: remember somebody named called Grandma Funk.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Grandma. I think, okay, you pulled the
Speaker 3: glass from the past, Grandma.
Speaker 4: So who's up there for Grandma Funk? Brod damn? So
Speaker 4: Big out. He showed me love because Big was right
Speaker 4: there in front of the stage, wrapping every word to
Speaker 4: get up, get out with me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: He showed me a lot of love.
Speaker 4: He showed me a lot of love. I was even
Speaker 4: invited me to be all ready to die. I don't
Speaker 4: really know what ever happened with that, what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: but I was completely naive and new to the game.
Speaker 4: I didn't even know what he was talking about because
Speaker 4: I didn't really know how to receive a don't even
Speaker 4: appreciate the invite because big wasn't big at that time,
Speaker 4: right you know what I mean? Yeah, this was, but
Speaker 4: he was just ready to die. Yeah, it's like Party
Speaker 4: in Bush and Who's the Who's the Man? Soundtrack?
Speaker 3: That was a slow burn man.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like a record that just did big numbers
Speaker 5: out the gate, like absolutely minute.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're absolutely right, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: because I didn't even really like partying bullshit all of
Speaker 4: the way, like I liked, uh the house Opainian record
Speaker 4: off that soundtrack? Right, Uh?
Speaker 3: He was Who's the band Who?
Speaker 4: Because I was I was still.
Speaker 6: Around that time.
Speaker 3: DJ Muggs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, DJ Muggs, So thats what's up? It's safe?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah that Joints. Y'all got a record on the
Speaker 3: I love that record, y'all did joint?
Speaker 4: I see them the first homies that took us in
Speaker 4: when we went to l A. So we all got
Speaker 4: tagged from cartoon you know. So you know that that's
Speaker 4: why we be really down with the brown and black,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like making sure we keep
Speaker 4: the peace and we advocates of that because they they
Speaker 4: showed us nothing. Beloved. Man be Real just did a
Speaker 4: song recently with Kujo on one of his independent projects,
Speaker 4: So the love is still there. It's for main man
Speaker 4: almost thirty years. Man.
Speaker 3: It was a producer y'all had on Soul Food that
Speaker 3: I never saw on anything else.
Speaker 4: Mix Well, you know, we're in the process of doing
Speaker 4: another Goodie Marvel album right now as we speak, actually,
Speaker 4: and it's funny that quest even asked that that question
Speaker 4: of how we get songs done, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's tedious, and I'm saying, you know, because like you know,
Speaker 4: we're older sing like you know, like you know, everybody's entitled,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like you feel me. But
Speaker 4: it's always been that kind of combustible kind of thing,
Speaker 4: you know what i mean, Like you know, but Mixo
Speaker 4: mix so was he was Kujo and Timo's original producer.
Speaker 4: So he was producing the Lumberjacks, okay, and you know,
Speaker 4: they had a other couple of dope songs that it
Speaker 4: was supposed to make the album, but they were in
Speaker 4: in a legal suit with their former management and they
Speaker 4: couldn't use that material. So you know, everybody just wanted
Speaker 4: to honor mient So because of that sound. And I
Speaker 4: just spoke to him the other day. I said, man, dude,
Speaker 4: you're the only other producer besides Organized Noise who made
Speaker 4: that original one the o G I said, So therefore,
Speaker 4: you know, because I bumped into him and I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 4: we gotta we got to get on the same page.
Speaker 4: I got to get you back in the mix, man, like,
Speaker 4: it's only right that we acknowledge you. And he was dope,
Speaker 4: I mean, like he reminds his stuff will remind you
Speaker 4: of Rizza, all dark and dusty and like just dope.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, so you know big Wu
Speaker 4: Tang fan over here too, and people liking us, to
Speaker 4: the people liking us to the Southern Wu Tang and
Speaker 4: all of that.
Speaker 2: Ps I just thought something, y'all, we need to put
Speaker 2: a bookmark on when the Goodie Mob album comes out,
Speaker 2: because Feo, you don't know this, but we had been
Speaker 2: planning a trip to Atlanta to just grab everybody for
Speaker 2: question free, like we was gonna Rico, we was gonna
Speaker 2: see Drama.
Speaker 8: We was just gonna see everybody. But you know, considering
Speaker 8: the time I'm like, well, maybe when that.
Speaker 2: Album comes out, we'll all be able to come out
Speaker 2: the house and get the whole goodie help.
Speaker 1: And touring with that record, which is the first time
Speaker 1: that we uh toured together, explain that process because.
Speaker 3: You guys used the band.
Speaker 1: You guys used, Uh, I'm enjoyed with singing with y'all
Speaker 1: at that point, Like, yep, you guys have a Little
Speaker 1: John in the Chronicle as as your band, Like were
Speaker 1: you guys always presented in kind of like I saw
Speaker 1: y'all as almost like new p funk yall put it together.
Speaker 4: That's funny that you said that. Well, we we got
Speaker 4: introduced to Little John in the Chronicle because we did.
Speaker 4: I think we did like maybe like a listing party
Speaker 4: or once or a release party at a club called
Speaker 4: Kaya back then.
Speaker 8: As Frank Ski. Sorry, you know what I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying, shouts out to Frank Ski and and the Chronicle
Speaker 4: was the band and it just kind of went over
Speaker 4: so well, you know, it just I'm sure that there
Speaker 4: was management that suggested it at that time. You know
Speaker 4: that we kind of go in the live direction and
Speaker 4: you know, and you know that was all good. And
Speaker 4: then you know, George Clinton speaking of Parliament. He was
Speaker 4: one of our earlier mentors and supporters too. He's the
Speaker 4: one that christened the Dungeon family as the young Parliament
Speaker 4: for Padelics. So when you start seeing us breaking out
Speaker 4: with all of the outfits and stuff like that, it
Speaker 4: came from him, you know what I'm saying, Because he
Speaker 4: because he said, you can't just say you're to an exceptional.
Speaker 4: You have to be exceptional. That's why they call it
Speaker 4: a fashion statement. If you if you can speak there,
Speaker 4: then you can say less. You know what I'm saying. Ship, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we went, we went, and obviously we went wild
Speaker 4: with that. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, for your the second album for
Speaker 5: Still Standing, what happened with what?
Speaker 3: I got ques by that album?
Speaker 5: So they don't dance no more? I love that fucking song,
Speaker 5: What what Happened with Little Will?
Speaker 4: Okay? So uh, they don't dance? The version that you
Speaker 4: hear is a replay, but the original version was done
Speaker 4: with the sample of Aaron Smith's dream On, So that's
Speaker 4: what that is. It's really dream On right. So Little
Speaker 4: Will was a hoodster, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: you know around Atlanta, super duper talented, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean like great voice, and he was signed to
Speaker 4: Organized Noise's label, Imprint at Interscope Organized Noise Records, and
Speaker 4: you know it was just it was just circumstance and
Speaker 4: inexperience that kind of overshadowed. I mean, like all of
Speaker 4: the promise and potential that he had as an artist.
Speaker 4: But like I just saw him recently, maybe like a
Speaker 4: year ago. I had a birthday uh party out here,
Speaker 4: and he'll still hit my line every now and again.
Speaker 4: But like he's just a real one, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Like you know, you know because he's he's
Speaker 4: that's him singing so you know Gucci Man and and
Speaker 4: and Jez's first breakout record together, so Icy, that's Little
Speaker 4: Will singing the record, singing the hook. So you know,
Speaker 4: we we're responsible for a lot of careers man, you know,
Speaker 4: like and you know he's forever done.
Speaker 5: Your family on the record on still Standing just about over?
Speaker 5: Was that U was that David Wild that Wild Peach.
Speaker 6: David and Wild Peach rest in peace to this Peach.
Speaker 3: Yeah is still.
Speaker 4: Yeah Dave David still whenever Big go while and he
Speaker 4: take the band, he takes he takes uh, he take
Speaker 4: Peach and he take Deborah killers with him.
Speaker 5: He's always kept them, That's what's up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's so solent for that.
Speaker 3: Well you answered my gutter butter question. But also.
Speaker 1: I remember like up in Philly, like Beautiful Skin was
Speaker 1: also it for for every coffee shop joint I knew.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wound up on their mixtapes for World Party.
Speaker 1: Was what was the chemistry with you guys in the
Speaker 1: making of that album that was different from the first
Speaker 1: two records.
Speaker 6: Well, I tell you this, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like it's never a problem.
Speaker 4: You know, I could, I can rhyme cat and hat,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, you know, so like I
Speaker 4: can I can just still be you know, I could
Speaker 4: just still come in and just do you know whatever
Speaker 4: we're doing what I'm saying, you know, but let me try,
Speaker 4: let me try, let me try to, let me try
Speaker 4: to give it some poetic justice, you know. I you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's documented that I had a great disdain for
Speaker 4: that project because you know, you know, even though we
Speaker 4: were we were marginally you know, successful, you know at
Speaker 4: that point, you know, two consecutive gold records, you know it,
Speaker 4: It's it's only right, I mean, like that you want
Speaker 4: to go to the next natural progression and you know,
Speaker 4: like you know, and shoot for high and mark you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like so like you know, I think you know, and
Speaker 6: I know that that was the ambition for the label, which.
Speaker 4: Is why for that for that third and you know
Speaker 4: project with them and final project with them, it's the
Speaker 4: one where they wanted to come in and interject with
Speaker 4: their opinion about direction, you know, and things.
Speaker 1: Can I get rich to this the last song recorded
Speaker 1: for that record?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4: I it was. It definitely wasn't And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 4: you why because it wasn't even our record.
Speaker 3: It was bad.
Speaker 4: It was a what why That's what. That's why Backbones
Speaker 4: versus first and he's doing the hook. It was his record.
Speaker 4: It should have it would have been a hit for
Speaker 4: him because Backboners, you know, the Dungeon family was comprised
Speaker 4: of you know, you know, teachers and philosophers and you know,
Speaker 4: the hustlers and killer every everybody, you know, all that
Speaker 4: shit came with it them saying, you know, but you
Speaker 4: know he was you know, Backboners. When I on our
Speaker 4: real live bone offire hustlers that come out that come
Speaker 4: out of the out of the crew that really represent
Speaker 4: on the street side, you know, I mean like and
Speaker 4: we needed that to make sure that all of the
Speaker 4: all of the bases were covered, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that would have been that would have been a
Speaker 4: great record for him, this as a solo record. But
Speaker 4: it was so hot or so we thought, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean that, you know, it was organized noise
Speaker 4: is you know, decision to say, hey, we're gonna go
Speaker 4: take that record if they use the platform, you know,
Speaker 4: a goodie mob, you know, to propel you or your
Speaker 4: solo effort.
Speaker 6: Shortly thereafter, I'm saying, you feel me?
Speaker 5: But yeah, man, you know I didn't fit like fitde.
Speaker 4: It wasn't people. People were so disappointed and I knew it.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, if you want to go back and
Speaker 4: dig up any of those bones, you'll see I said
Speaker 4: it out loud. I was very playing, very I was
Speaker 4: very frank, you know, I mean about my disconnect with it.
Speaker 4: And Mom was like, man, that's not what the what
Speaker 4: the people want. And hey man, you know like, but hey,
Speaker 4: if we win, then we win. I say, you feel me.
Speaker 6: Like if we don't, I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 4: I say, you feel me.
Speaker 3: Technically. I mean the album went cold, it did better.
Speaker 4: It's so it's so more represented than any other other ones,
Speaker 4: than the other joints.
Speaker 3: Okay, so, and it still didn't feel like a win
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 4: Well, but see, like I guess at that time, quest
Speaker 4: Man real, really bro I wasn't.
Speaker 6: Even really money conscious and none of that I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't.
Speaker 6: I wasn't chipping off under that.
Speaker 4: I was just about trying to make history, and everything
Speaker 4: I was doing was for the glory, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 6: That's how I saw it.
Speaker 4: I consider myself a real, live revolutionary, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like, you know, that's what I wanted to
Speaker 4: live and die for. What I'm saying, you feel me
Speaker 4: it would have been an honor. I mean like, so
Speaker 4: that was my my logic. And and now in retrospect,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, I sometimes I feel disappointed. I
Speaker 4: feel like I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 6: Forty five years old. I survived.
Speaker 4: I mean maybe maybe I didn't, Maybe I didn't cause
Speaker 4: enough damage or something, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 4: I feel like that, you know what I'm saying. Is
Speaker 4: that real? For me to say?
Speaker 8: No, that was something when your career started with like
Speaker 8: self therapy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So, like I look around at what we're living through
Speaker 4: right now, I'm like, God, damn, you don't think that.
Speaker 2: You make you you a influenced and especially some of
Speaker 2: these these young you know, protests and revolutionaries coming up.
Speaker 8: You don't think you the soundtrack today?
Speaker 6: Oh most most certainly, most certainly, I raised over a
Speaker 6: thousand sons.
Speaker 4: I'm sure that.
Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying, you know, And I'm proud of that.
Speaker 4: And now I'm a declarated soldier, you know, and higher
Speaker 4: ranking officer, like you mean, like you know, so like
Speaker 4: I'm gracious, I'm gracious and very humble, you know what
Speaker 4: i mean. But I'm just saying like it's just a passion,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But and and you know,
Speaker 4: of course I mean it on an on an artistic front.
Speaker 4: I mean, like you know that's how I mean it,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I just want to do that
Speaker 4: ship that last I mean, like you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't want to do I don't want
Speaker 4: to do anything disposable or forgettable or whatever.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, records, I like the dip I thought like
Speaker 3: you as a producer. That was the one.
Speaker 4: I was like, Yo, this is I thought, And I
Speaker 4: tell you the truth about the broke. Tim Mo produced
Speaker 4: the dip and he was starting to he was starting
Speaker 4: to ventru but no, like I came in and I
Speaker 4: did all those string arrangements and stuff like that, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, so we were growing and
Speaker 4: so like, you know, I wanted all of that exuberant
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like over the top stuff
Speaker 4: that I ultimately went on to do. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, You feel me, But like you know, it's
Speaker 4: it's almost like people that that that start with you.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I hate to say it like this, but it's like
Speaker 6: people either almost either want you to be or expect
Speaker 6: you to be like poor righteous teachers. And I'm not
Speaker 6: just talking about the group. I mean literally, it's like
Speaker 6: it's like no, but I'm like but in my mind,
Speaker 6: I'm like, nah, like I'm too, I'm too, I'm too
Speaker 6: intelligent about music and about industry. It's like I know
Speaker 6: better what I'm saying, Like if you guys and at
Speaker 6: that time, you know, Cash Money and No Limit records.
Speaker 4: They were coming in and then they were showing how
Speaker 4: to they were just they were they outworked everybody. Their output,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, like was just immense, Like
Speaker 4: you know, you couldn't really compete. The motherfuckers was dropping
Speaker 4: so much music, you know what I'm saying, Like they dropped.
Speaker 3: With all the albums coming out.
Speaker 4: That that changed the lexicon to where you know, they
Speaker 4: dropped so much material that you could even call it
Speaker 4: music in the morning, you have to call it content.
Speaker 3: It was product. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So we couldn't you know, we were still trying to
Speaker 4: make opuses and stuff like that, So we were taking
Speaker 4: two and three years to make an.
Speaker 6: Album and shit like that.
Speaker 4: But like no, no, no, So we really couldn't compete,
Speaker 4: and so I think everybody just felt a certain kind
Speaker 4: of way. It really just wanted to be competitive at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, and showed that we want
Speaker 4: this straight laced button up you know, like quartette of
Speaker 4: squares or you know what I mean. Like you know,
Speaker 4: like that we were cool and we liked women, and
Speaker 4: we you know, we liked the party.
Speaker 6: And other and other kind of stuff, which was true,
Speaker 6: like like some of the biggest parties out there.
Speaker 2: At the time the earth the earthy label was on
Speaker 2: folks too. It was like, either yeah you shiny, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. Sorry, you knew it was coming. You
Speaker 3: guys knew it was coming.
Speaker 1: You knew I was going to interrupt this moment to say.
Speaker 1: That's the conclusion of part one of our interview with
Speaker 1: Celo Green. We'll come back next week for part two
Speaker 1: of our interview with Celo Green, and trust me, Part two,
Speaker 1: we really get into it.
Speaker 3: We get into everything. Whereas life has.
Speaker 1: Been lessons, he's learned, journeys he's going to make, and basically,
Speaker 1: you know, we get into it. So please join us
Speaker 1: next week, ladies and gentlemen for part two of our
Speaker 1: interview I Want to Know me Legendary Celo Green.
Speaker 3: See you next week.
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