WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Ceelo Green Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>What up y'all? It's like yeah, And this week we

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<v Speaker 2>are traveling back back back back to June of twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>when we finally caught up with se Lo Green. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>se Lo Green. He talks about finding his voice, Goodie Mob, Lawls,

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<v Speaker 2>Barkley and all the good stuff. It's so good that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a two parter. We know you love those as

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<v Speaker 2>we queue that up for you, don't forget to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure you check out our whole Dungeon Family series of interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, y'all, from Organized Noise to My Girl Joy

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<v Speaker 2>to even Quest one on one with Andre three thousand. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. So here is part one of se Lo

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<v Speaker 2>on Questlove Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm us Love here with Laiah Sugar, Steve Payville and Fontakeolo.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, how how bad do we miss our theme song?

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<v Speaker 3>It's just playing. Just play it in your just comment

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's killing me inside that we're doing all

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<v Speaker 1>these these great episodes. Yeah, with no roll call, it's

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<v Speaker 1>killing me inside. We asked, we got we gotta think

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<v Speaker 1>of a way to do a social distance social distance

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<v Speaker 1>roll call exactly. Uh, Ladies and gentlemen, please uh welcome

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<v Speaker 1>our guest today, legendary gentlemen. I know this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of always get weird when I'm like, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce people that I really really really know, not like

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<v Speaker 1>people that just myro on television or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but Grammy Winner, the most transformative MC in

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<v Speaker 2>the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, our guest take that, yes, our yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple Grammys, I will say, even more like one of

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<v Speaker 1>my really one of my favorite singers living today. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I could I could name maybe like for them

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<v Speaker 1>that I really like, not even people that are able

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<v Speaker 1>to sing, but people that are able to move you

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<v Speaker 1>when they sing, not to mention very effective in see

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<v Speaker 1>most people forget that. As one fourth of the legendary

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<v Speaker 1>Goodie Mob Atlanta, what more can I say? Ladies and gentlemen,

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<v Speaker 1>please welcome to coest Love Supreme, the one and only

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas de Carlo Callaway aka.

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<v Speaker 3>Celo Green. I did not know your middle name was Carlo.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, greetings, Kings and queens. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on? Brother? How you feel? Were you right now?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in Atlanta. I'm technically I'm an hour outside of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm out in Peachtree City. I live out in the

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<v Speaker 4>country out here.

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<v Speaker 5>So you never left Atlanta always? Did you ever live

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<v Speaker 5>in l A for a little while or were you

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<v Speaker 5>always Atlanta?

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<v Speaker 4>I did when I was when I was out there

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<v Speaker 4>doing the Boys, I was there for about five years,

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<v Speaker 4>and then I left l A. And I went and

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<v Speaker 4>lived in Las Vegas for two years, okay, then Miami

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<v Speaker 4>for two years, and now I'm back in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, gotcha. I think the last time I saw you,

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<v Speaker 5>it was a minute ago. Me and Pool we ran

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<v Speaker 5>into you outside of BOSTONOVA.

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<v Speaker 4>In l A. Yeah, it was after show, and I recognized,

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<v Speaker 4>like I was surprised that I recognized.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying, I seen you. I said,

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<v Speaker 6>look at the home Boys.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, yeah, I you know. I mean, I never

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<v Speaker 5>assumed that you know, cats will know who we were. So,

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<v Speaker 5>but I guess if you see us together, that's when

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<v Speaker 5>you can kind of do the math.

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<v Speaker 3>But but yeah, man.

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<v Speaker 4>Quest would be able to affirm that, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a real head, you know, so, so yeah, you could

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<v Speaker 4>pop quiz me and just about just about any topic

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<v Speaker 4>I should, I should, I should pan out pretty good.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what's up every question?

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<v Speaker 4>What you're doing chilling.

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<v Speaker 3>Here on a on a ranch?

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<v Speaker 1>A little sad now because uh just got news today

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<v Speaker 1>that my four of my uh poultry friends have have

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<v Speaker 1>passed away. Apparently a raccoon covered how to get inside

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<v Speaker 1>the hen see now Steve laughing? Right now, those don't

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm quarantining. I quarantine upstate New York. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>when I started, there was five chickens and six baby ducks. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the baby ducks are now as big as Debo on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>So now they bully the chickens, while.

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<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, raccoons and foxes have found inventive ways to come

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<v Speaker 1>and eat the chickens.

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<v Speaker 7>So how do we know that it's foxes and raccoons

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<v Speaker 7>that are murdering the chickens.

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<v Speaker 3>Because we can clearly see who it is.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well I'm just saying, ever since you show up

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<v Speaker 7>to the ranch, chickens.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever, Steve AnyWho?

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<v Speaker 4>So that's dope question. I'm on a ranch too. We

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<v Speaker 4>have a ranch property out here in Atlanta. No, because

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<v Speaker 4>the property we've been kind of using it as a

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<v Speaker 4>vacation vernal property in Airbnb because I haven't been. I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't been living in Atlanta primarily.

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<v Speaker 6>So no.

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<v Speaker 4>When we first got this property about twelve years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>they kind of they threw a couple of horses in,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as a package. But you know me, no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>but I didn't you know, I had to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>decline because you know, first then then I did my

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<v Speaker 4>diligence or not. And I found out that the horses

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<v Speaker 4>are very expensive to take care of. And then of

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<v Speaker 4>course I just I just didn't have I didn't have

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<v Speaker 4>staffing or anything to do or anything like that. So I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, nah, thank you. I appreciate the gesture, but no,

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<v Speaker 4>no thanks. So no, no animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely taking care of animals on a farm is

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<v Speaker 1>a full time job.

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<v Speaker 8>How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>A little circle moment moment though, talking to South Philly

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<v Speaker 2>and Atlanta over here, Now y'all both got y'all both

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<v Speaker 2>on ranches farming.

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<v Speaker 3>You never thought the hip hop would take it this far?

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<v Speaker 3>What part what part of Atlanta were you born in? See?

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<v Speaker 4>Southwest Atlanta swats swats the south.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so explain to me what'swats is Southwest Atlanta to star.

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<v Speaker 3>One place? Don't start claiming everything.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So Southwest Atlanta is.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's like a a a four street kind of conglomerate.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that that starts at Campbelton Road, which is

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<v Speaker 4>where Tyler Perry's first television studio was based, right around

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<v Speaker 4>the corner from Greenbury Mall. I grew up on that street.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was a vacant Delta building that he

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<v Speaker 4>inverted into his first studios and then he ultimately went

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<v Speaker 4>on to buy Fort McPherson, which was an uh an

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<v Speaker 4>abandoned army base.

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<v Speaker 6>But anyway, so yeah, no, it's it's that it's cambell

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<v Speaker 6>to roll on up to uh Bankhead.

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<v Speaker 4>Highway, which is where t I is from t I

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<v Speaker 4>and then rest in Peace Shady Low. They represent Bankhead.

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<v Speaker 4>So like it's just like a four street parallel. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean East Point is one street over,

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<v Speaker 4>you know where Big Gip is from from Goodie Mob,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, you keep going on that then

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<v Speaker 4>being College Park is another few miles over. That's that's ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 4>That's two chains and those guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't didn't Diallo said that he went to school with Silo.

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<v Speaker 3>He went there.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if he went to now Diallo riddle

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<v Speaker 5>his uh? I think he said he went to Benjamin Mays. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>he went there. He went to Benjamin Mays. He me

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<v Speaker 5>and him work on the show together, A Sherman Showcase, Showcase.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I know.

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<v Speaker 6>I know they'll know since since we were kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, yeah yeah, yeah, I was trying to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that Dalla went to school was someone notable,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't know if it was you or Big Boy.

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<v Speaker 4>It was you, that's a fact, that's a fan. We

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<v Speaker 4>went to Amazing Big Boy and Dre they went to

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<v Speaker 4>Try Cities High School. Okay, yeah, so Candy from Escape

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<v Speaker 4>went to Try Cities with them.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and you're in growing up. First of all, are

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<v Speaker 1>you the only child or you you have other siblings?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I have I have one of the siblings. I

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<v Speaker 4>have an older sister, but kind of like having an

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<v Speaker 4>older sister is basically like being like the only child

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<v Speaker 4>still because she didn't like she did not like me

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<v Speaker 4>when we were kids, I couldn't. I was locked out

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<v Speaker 4>of her room.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how much older was she?

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<v Speaker 4>Two years older? Okay, She's like, yeah, no, we're really

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<v Speaker 4>close now she's like she's my realtor. She's my property manager,

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<v Speaker 4>project manager, co founder of our foundation.

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<v Speaker 6>She's a she's a diag woman, Yes she is.

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<v Speaker 8>He saw her beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>So in growing up, what was the musical environment like

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<v Speaker 1>in your household? Because I imagine with that voice that

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<v Speaker 1>someone in that house had to been singing or was that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Well, well both both my mother and father were ministers.

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<v Speaker 4>But but I wasn't just completely like sheltered, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean, you know, in in spiritual or gospel,

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<v Speaker 4>even though I spent a considerable amount of time in

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<v Speaker 4>church and around gospel music, which I love. I love

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<v Speaker 4>the Clark Sisters, Leon Pattillo, Uh, you know, even Amy Grant,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. That's you know I'm real.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how you know I'm real. And of course the Whinings,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>So that means Christian radio was on in your house

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<v Speaker 3>all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>It was, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But but but then I had then I had that

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<v Speaker 4>secular side of me because my mother had friends outside

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<v Speaker 4>of outside of that. You know, church is like a

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<v Speaker 4>like a little little social network. And I mean so

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<v Speaker 4>that she had she had friends that she did business

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<v Speaker 4>with outside of uh, out of her church, her church community,

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<v Speaker 4>and one of them was a legendary radio personality by

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<v Speaker 4>the name of Ali Pat so you could you could

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<v Speaker 4>research him and you know him and jose Williams, like

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<v Speaker 4>they were friends of my mother's when I was young.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would go to the radio station and he

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<v Speaker 4>gave me a box full of forty fives and so

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<v Speaker 4>I would listen to stuff like, you know, Johnny Taylor

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<v Speaker 4>and Zz Hill and BB King and Bobby blue Land.

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<v Speaker 4>So like I love the blues growing up too, the

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<v Speaker 4>gospel was like the blues almost like it was it was,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that there was a parallel that that you

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<v Speaker 4>know that connected to two.

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<v Speaker 3>If you ask me, I want to know what age

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<v Speaker 3>was your voice developed?

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<v Speaker 4>I I can remember.

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<v Speaker 6>Man who sings gene Chandler.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a song called the Rainbow, and we used to

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<v Speaker 4>we used to uh sing this uh you know in

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<v Speaker 4>the family talent shows in front of the big floor

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<v Speaker 4>model TV in the den.

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<v Speaker 6>So it was this song.

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<v Speaker 4>And then it was Jackie Wilson's dog can be around.

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<v Speaker 4>So I knew that. I knew that.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, So so.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you notice I can imitate I can imitate him.

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<v Speaker 4>So like that's how I learned how to sing, because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, that's that first form of flattery, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And then and then you filter it

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<v Speaker 4>into you know, what's to become your own living experience

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<v Speaker 4>in the way that you know, you interpret life, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>or you know, and then then it's kind of reiterated

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<v Speaker 4>in its own you know, new and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>like a hybrid theory or something. So like no I

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<v Speaker 4>jack and no, well I did. I did a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of solos in church. I was mostly kind of fascinated

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<v Speaker 4>with the band. We had a I went to Grace

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<v Speaker 4>Covenant Baptist Church that was our first family church in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 4>and the band was just fantastic, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I would sit right in the pew right

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<v Speaker 4>behind the band that was it was setting to the

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<v Speaker 4>far left of the uh, you know, the church, and

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<v Speaker 4>I was just sitting there and watching the drummer. So

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<v Speaker 4>at that time, I wanted to play drums, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean. And then I was always fascinated with

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<v Speaker 4>the organ. I guess it's that big joint. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>the Oberheim, but it's like, you know, it's that big

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<v Speaker 4>three level joint, you know, And and I always loved

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<v Speaker 4>the organ, and and it gave me it struck a

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<v Speaker 4>chord with me because I'm a Gemini, so therefore I

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<v Speaker 4>have that duality of you know, they say half half mortal,

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<v Speaker 4>half god kind of thing, so you know, so it

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<v Speaker 4>sounded really righteous and then it sounds was really evil

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<v Speaker 4>in one way too, so like to me, that's like

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<v Speaker 4>the ultimate like instrument. So it really it really struck

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<v Speaker 4>a nerve with me and that and it kind of

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<v Speaker 4>it kind of like, you know, opened me up where

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<v Speaker 4>I can kind of you know, identify with different energies

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<v Speaker 4>in song, what I mean, So I could tell if

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<v Speaker 4>something had some something intentful, or something was really real

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<v Speaker 4>about something, you know what I mean. I hope I'm

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<v Speaker 4>saying that right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's funny to know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny here you say you describe it like that

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<v Speaker 5>because as a kid going to church, like the organ

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<v Speaker 5>to me was also an instrument like it would sound

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful in some ways, but then it could also sound

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<v Speaker 5>kind of ominous, you know what I mean, And they

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<v Speaker 5>would play like on Scooby Dude, the theme. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>that was that was kind of like my relationship to

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<v Speaker 5>gospel music as well. Like it was it was I

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<v Speaker 5>saw this something that was like my grandparents music, and

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<v Speaker 5>it was in our household. It was kind of like

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<v Speaker 5>you had to listen to it. You know, we ain't

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<v Speaker 5>gonna listen to a rap today. Cut We're just playing gospel.

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<v Speaker 5>Was almost like a punishment. But in that was where

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<v Speaker 5>I found you know, Mighty Cloud's and Joy Jackson southing

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<v Speaker 5>there is like all the Quartel gospel.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was just a rehearsal in the street.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, come, I know that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then and then you got then you got Willie Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like who did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah High Records.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's derivative of that church, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>organ background, like and it just made all of that

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<v Speaker 4>area music just sounds so so so familiar, so warm,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, yeah, that's what

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<v Speaker 4>that's That's why Algue is the best.

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<v Speaker 3>It just hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're born in nineteen seventy five, which makes you

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<v Speaker 1>six years old in nineteen eighty one. What can you

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<v Speaker 1>describe to me, or at least from your point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>Because the one thing that I knew the most about Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>at least growing up, was about the child murders.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just about to say that that heard down there.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was your childhood into, especially in those early years,

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<v Speaker 1>was it like you had to be inside twenty four seven? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that How did that affect at least with

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<v Speaker 1>the murders hanging over everyone's head is in Atlanta with

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<v Speaker 1>black children, how did that affect your childhood for those

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<v Speaker 1>early years.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I lived just moments from the the community park,

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<v Speaker 4>which was west Manor Recreation and you know, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I was. I was never that far away,

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<v Speaker 4>but I do remember that time of where I was.

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<v Speaker 4>I was far enough where I could hear my mother calling,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just like the song I can hear my mother.

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<v Speaker 6>I can hear her, Yeah, I can.

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<v Speaker 4>I can hear her calling. And so so it was

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<v Speaker 4>I was that close, relatively close, and so everything what

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<v Speaker 4>what it was just kind of community uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>javing literally football and stuff like that. So all of

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<v Speaker 4>the activities were right at the end of the street,

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<v Speaker 4>which was safeguarding you know for me, uh in that time.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, I remember being in elementary school and

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<v Speaker 4>them having the coloring books about you know, not taking

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<v Speaker 4>candy from strangers, and you know, this that of the

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<v Speaker 4>third and I remember the song that was, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's synonymous with that that subconscious time in my life

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<v Speaker 4>is Jesus is loved by the Commodore. I will hear

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<v Speaker 4>that song all of the time, and it gives me

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<v Speaker 4>the chills to say it, because you know, it was

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<v Speaker 4>just a frightening time, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>What you think of?

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I think about.

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<v Speaker 8>Is it weird to see it resurfacing in so many ways?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>HBO has a special mind Hunt just did a whole

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<v Speaker 2>season on it.

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<v Speaker 4>I watched it. I watched the documentary and uh, what's

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<v Speaker 4>my man name? Will Packard? The one the one that

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<v Speaker 4>they did. I watched it and it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it was, you know, definitely informative. You know, not not

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<v Speaker 4>to be able to look back on the you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the experience as an adult, you know, it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of uh, it's it's really sobering to look back on

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<v Speaker 4>it now. It was surreal as a child because we

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<v Speaker 4>were terrified and we just didn't really know where this

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<v Speaker 4>this evil you know, uh, you know what kind of

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<v Speaker 4>what what what corner it would come from? You know

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<v Speaker 4>what what what it would jump out from behind, so

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<v Speaker 4>you know, everybody was being careful and I just remember

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<v Speaker 4>that being you know, just a time of just a

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<v Speaker 4>closeness and togetherness and just trying to be protective of

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<v Speaker 4>one another, you know what I mean. And yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Slight confession anytime it is where you mentioned the Commodores,

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<v Speaker 1>because whenever they would show Wayne william I'd always think

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<v Speaker 1>of Walter Clyde Orange, the drumm in the Commodore.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right, that because Williams.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the glasses.

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<v Speaker 4>They actually they resembled each other. Damn, you're right. It's

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<v Speaker 4>crazy because Goodie Mob's manager, her name is Lakeisha Orange.

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<v Speaker 6>She's that's that's her uncle.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, wow, what that was true?

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<v Speaker 4>True story?

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<v Speaker 3>Damn Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Goodie Mob your first musical venture or like did

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<v Speaker 1>you did you have other groups growing up in in Atlanta?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>I had one other group before Goodie Mob.

0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:48.800
<v Speaker 4>I had a I was in a in a crew

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<v Speaker 4>called a G A Style with my man Ali l

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<v Speaker 4>who was from Jersey, my man d J.

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<v Speaker 6>Wynne who passed some years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Over CJ. Wayne just a birthday his cousin Q, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, and oh DJ will got to shout

0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.760
<v Speaker 4>him out sugar Bear. Uh so, yeah, no, but but

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<v Speaker 4>we were just kind of you know in Atlanta, we

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<v Speaker 4>had uh the uh the temporary service agencies of where

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<v Speaker 4>you can just kind of sign up and be a

0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 4>part of their roster and they would call you kind

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<v Speaker 4>of randomly, you know, you know, on any given morning

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<v Speaker 4>and be like, hey, are you available for work at

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<v Speaker 4>this warehouse or this that of the third I mean

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<v Speaker 4>like so yah, yeah, so we would all you know,

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<v Speaker 4>get jobs together and you know, pull money together. Like

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<v Speaker 4>so that was my first support system. They were all

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<v Speaker 4>older than me. I've always been, you know, the the

0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.440
<v Speaker 4>youngest and and any crew that I've been in. So

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<v Speaker 4>ali Al ended up marrying my sister and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>having two beautiful daughters, my nieces, and so like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they were they were family and they were kind of

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<v Speaker 4>really looking out for me because around the time, I

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<v Speaker 4>was really at risk youth and I was getting into

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<v Speaker 4>a a lot of trouble, and you know, they really

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<v Speaker 4>gave me some some structure, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>because they were there was they were straight laced guys,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like no really no drinking,

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.600
<v Speaker 4>no smoking, just to working back and putting money together

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, buy studio time and just doing it,

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<v Speaker 4>doing it the you know, the real way, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>So uh, you know, I owe a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>I did a gratitude to them because they really gave

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<v Speaker 4>me quite a bit of my my moral viber.

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<v Speaker 3>How deep was or how strong was the first wave?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I consider the Leaface era the second wave

0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of Atlanta's or maybe the beginning being Bobby Brown moving

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<v Speaker 1>to Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>But for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics, like post Olympics, it felt like is when stuff started.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, Bobby moved there in I think in

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight eighty nine, and I thought that's weird, Like

0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 1>why would he not go to Hollywood like everyone else?

0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.480
<v Speaker 1>So right, I mean, but you know, I knew, like

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.080
<v Speaker 1>people Bryson moved down there. I knew like certain people

0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.359
<v Speaker 1>knew something about Atlanta that the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know. But like how prominent I mean besides Brick, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how prominent was.

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<v Speaker 3>The music industry in Atlanta in your teen years?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we definitely knew of Brick. Jimmy Brown from Brick.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's playing that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's Sleepy Brown's dad, you know, playing that iconic

0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:30.000
<v Speaker 4>flute solo on on Dazz, you know what I mean.

0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 4>So we knew about Brick, and we knew about Cameo,

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<v Speaker 4>uh the s O S band, Princess and Starbreys, who

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 4>ends up being Miss Deborah Killings, who's who's ended up

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<v Speaker 4>doing all of the background work for TLC and played

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 4>bass on on so many other you know, famous records.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, she is playing based on elevators. I think

0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:55.800
<v Speaker 3>that's right. That's her playing baseball.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep. So you know, on the on the wrap side,

0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like we had M. C.

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<v Speaker 4>Shy D who was from he was from New York.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's like the first like breakout dude, you know

0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:11.439
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying. Like, you know, but there was you know,

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<v Speaker 4>only a other couple of rap sensations that came out

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<v Speaker 4>of around that time. So it was just mainly about

0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:21.000
<v Speaker 4>the funking soul bands at that time. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>I think maybe it would have probably would have would

0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.960
<v Speaker 4>have attracted Bobby brown Chair and it probably was Dione

0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:28.560
<v Speaker 4>Sanders or something like that, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, uh, you know, I guess Larry Blackman did

0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.800
<v Speaker 4>did produce his first rest.

0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 3>He produced his first.

0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so maybe maybe he came to atlnt of the

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.040
<v Speaker 4>work with Larry. Larry of course was a mental on mind. Now,

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.480
<v Speaker 4>I talked to him all the time and him just

0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.040
<v Speaker 4>had birth birthdays recently, So yeah, I talked to him

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 4>all of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Lives doing. Man, he's still cool. How's he doing.

0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:52.960
<v Speaker 4>He's good, man, He's really easy going, just like a

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 4>soft spoken old gez. You know, just just done a lot,

0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. And it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of love whenever I talked to him, because I

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.600
<v Speaker 4>could just I can, I could quote him so well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. I just feel like, yo,

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<v Speaker 4>like let me just love on him, you know what

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean? And you know he at at one point

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<v Speaker 4>I had introduced him to my management from Primary Way

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.120
<v Speaker 4>and they were represented the group for a short while

0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 4>to trying to help them, you know, get their their

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:22.520
<v Speaker 4>ownership and their masters back and stuff like that. You know,

0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:26.879
<v Speaker 4>but you know, we befriended each other throughout that that time. Uh,

0:23:27.119 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 4>he's just he's just a great all around guy. Talented,

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.400
<v Speaker 4>just this an unsound individual, so talented. Man.

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<v Speaker 8>I still touched the stage this cameo.

0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 6>Still, Yeah, I think I think they still tour.

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure how I said to me now, but

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<v Speaker 4>I know, like a few years back, they were still

0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 4>moving around and they actually, you know, so this would

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<v Speaker 4>be five years ago because at my fortieth birthday they

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<v Speaker 4>were surprised guest performance for me at my fortieth birthday,

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<v Speaker 4>So everybody came out, you know, did all did all

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<v Speaker 4>of the greats? I used to I used to love

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<v Speaker 4>Alligator Woman.

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<v Speaker 5>Ye know, they're yeah, there's all vanity on the cover.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I didn't really know what that was. What

0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 6>kind of music is this?

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>When we you and D'Angelo love that song? Man was

0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.200
<v Speaker 1>my doing, but they also how I got them. It's

0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>like a little sort of a new wave nod. They're

0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>nons a new wave. Yeah, I think it definitely was

0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>a nod to new wave. I mean, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I end up over hearing some conversations. Maybe I

0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>watched the interview with James and he was basically saying

0:24:33.000 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>that super Freak was inspired by Devo's whip It. I mean, like,

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>so I think everybody was trying to trying to cash

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:45.240
<v Speaker 1>in on Yeah. Yeah, what can you put together or

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>or properly put in context, how the Dungeon family gets built,

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like instead of just asking like how did Goodie Mob form?

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>How did the entire collective become that? Or was it

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:03.879
<v Speaker 1>just a mythical marketing thing or like no, were you

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>guys teenagers in the beginning and then had a plan

0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:07.880
<v Speaker 1>to well?

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.160
<v Speaker 4>At the time, Rico Wade and Sleepy Brown were part

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 4>of a dance troupe called Guests and the dance Troops

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 4>were the superstars in the city at that time, because

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 4>you know, all of the you know, all of the

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 4>high schools had different tenant shows, so it's basically going

0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:27.920
<v Speaker 4>around like on a promo tour, you know what I mean,

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 4>in the city. So they were kind of, you know,

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 4>locally celebrated, you know, because you know they were you know,

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 4>they were one of the more famous ones. It's them

0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 4>the stray Cats, you know what I mean, Like, which

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 4>was a gang I was a part of. I was

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:48.800
<v Speaker 4>part of the Straight Cats, like a gang. You guys

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 4>for me were young drove from Atlanta? Yes, okay, okay,

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.600
<v Speaker 4>So y'all know how Joe dressed dress. Joe dress is

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 4>like he's he grew up in you know, like he's

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 4>a part of a golf community on the back, like

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 4>he's basically like super prep, super prep. So like it's

0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 4>like the Atlanta version of the low Lights in New.

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 5>York met Chers and howell on them boys, you know

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 5>what I'm saying.

0:26:12.720 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so we was on it real hard like that

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:18.040
<v Speaker 4>in Atlanta too, so like three tons and Bennetton bags

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 4>and tennis rackets and stuff like that.

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 6>You know, I just had on the fair Tree to

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 6>the other day.

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Man, Like anyway, they.

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Still du dre he had his online years ago.

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he did align with them. I got I got

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.000
<v Speaker 4>a couple of boxes, you know, courtesy of the homide.

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 4>But but no, okay, So to answer the question, So yeah,

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 4>so everybody knew them. And then they were also a

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 4>part of R and B crew called the You Boys.

0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:58.120
<v Speaker 4>So it was Sleeping Brown, Rico Way, mister DJ who

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 4>ended up being the DJ for Outcasting He's Rico's cousin,

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:06.760
<v Speaker 4>and Marquez Elf who ended up writing water. Yeah.

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 6>So they were a group called the You Boys.

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 4>And I remember I had gotten I had gotten expelled

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 4>from the Atlanta public school system, so I couldn't even

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 4>go to school in Atlanta, so I had to be uh,

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 4>I had to be taken away to Gainesville Georgia, and

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 4>I went to Riverside Military Riverside Military Academy.

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 6>I was, I was, I was, I was something else

0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:27.680
<v Speaker 6>as a kid.

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 4>I'm just just troublesome, man. I don't know, bro, I

0:27:45.880 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 4>was just getting so much trouble. I don't know what

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 4>was wrong with me at that time. But yeah, so

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 4>so I came back. I came back, and I had

0:27:54.880 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 4>to go to Frank McLaren Alternative School, which was a

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 4>school for dropouts. And so me and D three thousand

0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 4>were classmates, uh in the third grade. So we went

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.000
<v Speaker 4>to elementary school together and we were like we were

0:28:07.040 --> 0:28:09.120
<v Speaker 4>play cousins, so we were really we were really close.

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 4>It was like my brother when we when we were babies,

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 4>pretty much. And so I ended up coming back to

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Atlanta enrolling in Frank McLaren Alternative School, which was across

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 4>the railroad tracks from Tri Cities, so, which is where

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 4>he had dropped out of school. So we both would

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:26.240
<v Speaker 4>dropouts and we were going trying to get that ged

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 4>and that's when we reconnected that after having not having

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 4>seen each other for years. Okay, so I saw a

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:35.880
<v Speaker 4>you boys picture there. It was like, you know, how

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 4>you might see something they may have been passing out

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.560
<v Speaker 4>those those black and white you know groups, you know

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 4>where they got the managerial So it was that, but

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 4>it was on the ground and I just recognized, you know,

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 4>I had I recognized Steepe Brown from from dancing in

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:59.479
<v Speaker 4>the talent shows because they were they were famous, they

0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 4>were they like the hottest ones around for a long time.

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 4>So he always had a look about himself. I'm like,

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:08.240
<v Speaker 4>I recognized him, and I recognized my quiz elfemish too,

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 4>So I saw that me and Drake hooked back up.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 4>That's that. I introduced him to DJ Win and DJ

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 4>Li and I tried to get them to be a

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.400
<v Speaker 4>part of the GA style and we went over with

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 4>just some little you know. They they did their first

0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 4>demo with DJ Win that you know, that didn't work,

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 4>did I remember? One day they came back up to

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:29.200
<v Speaker 4>school with some look and then he introduced me to

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh the day he introduced me to Big Boy is

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 4>when I took them to meet DJ Win. So they

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 4>took the train over there, they came up to the school,

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 4>we all rode the train, the DJ Wins and and

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 4>that that's that. But like shortly after that they came

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 4>back and it was like, Yo, we met these we

0:29:45.840 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 4>met these dudes, and he was talking about organized noise.

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:49.680
<v Speaker 4>He's like yo, He's like yo, he said, yo, dude,

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 4>this is cool. But man, these dudes, but they got

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 4>some fucking you know what I mean, they got some

0:29:54.840 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 4>you know. So then you know, this is like ninety

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 4>ninety nine.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I don't know.

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess what year? What year the DOS Effects come out?

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:09.480
<v Speaker 4>Like ninety two, ninety one?

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, ninety one. That was dead serious ninety one.

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 4>All right, So that was that your marketing level, because

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.560
<v Speaker 4>because that's what we was on. I mean, like you

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 4>know that would I mean it was it was it

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 4>was DOS Effects for me and Dre, it was Doc Effects.

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 6>It was leaders of the New School. I forgot who.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:30.120
<v Speaker 4>Else may have been rocking at that time.

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 3>So Sol was a big influence. I definitely influenced Outcast.

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 4>Yes, a mister, come on, tj Oko, you know what

0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, Like, no, you know, Domino Casual.

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>So there was definitely an openness to well, I guess

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>there wasn't territorial markings until ninety three ninety.

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Four, but yeah, we ain't look at it like then.

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 3>When you were open to anything in the South.

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 5>We had to study everything, man, That's why we had

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 5>to study.

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we loved it, and I'm saying we loved it.

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.120
<v Speaker 4>Uh so, So basically I'm trying to narrow the story down. Okay,

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 4>So a good friend of mine, pretty Ken, Pretty Ken,

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 4>ended up being a good friend of mine, and he

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 4>ended up you know, so.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I always who he was because you shouted him out

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the good I was like, who.

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 4>So pretty Kid and my cousin floating they ended up

0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 4>creating the Addict Crew. Now, me and Kidd were like Kendricks,

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 4>Kendrick Spirits, and when when I was introduced to Overnight's Noise,

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:40.720
<v Speaker 4>you know, he was he was like my role dog.

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 4>I was living with Ken at the time, so like

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 4>we went over there together. But our tones of voice, personalities,

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 4>you know, swagging the whole thing. We were like we

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 4>were bulls and buddies. So like they just you know,

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 4>they took to me a little bit more and wanted

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 4>to work with me, and they just felt like me

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.720
<v Speaker 4>and Kid were two similar. So you know, he ended

0:31:59.760 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 4>up out of the Attic Crew, which would give you

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Jim pro prolo to.

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 6>Don the young Blood and in that whole movement.

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 4>So that's pretty cad.

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 6>But his cousin, Fat Keith, was a friend of mine.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 3>That's name I'll too. I'm giving you all these nighbors.

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 4>Me and Fat Keith were a green brow mall right.

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 4>So we're walking past, you know, the door, about to

0:32:29.160 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 4>leave out. There's like ten payphones in a row. There's

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:36.360
<v Speaker 4>this dude standing there with his back to us. Keith

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 4>recognizes him and he taped it on the shoulder, this

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 4>Marquez Inflix. And then I recognized him from the picture.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 4>I said, because you know, I got like a photographic

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.680
<v Speaker 4>memory down there. So I'm like, okay, that's the homework

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 4>for that picture. I saw, like you know or whatever.

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 4>So he said, Yo, my homeboy singing and he could rapt.

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 4>He should check him out, you know what I'm saying.

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.280
<v Speaker 4>So I stood, I went outside with him and I

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 4>sang for him, I rap form and he said, well,

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 4>I was actually on the phone trying to call over

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 4>to the dungeon. He said, I know that they're there,

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 4>but you know, maybe the music is up two louds

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 4>or something. And Keith was like, we'll take you over there.

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 3>What is it?

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:13.720
<v Speaker 4>And he was like, yo, it's like you know one

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 4>sixty six you know what I mean, like, which is

0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 4>the expressway, you know over by the fair grounds. I said,

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 4>we know it's you know, it's like ten minutes up

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 4>the road. So he jumps in the truck with us.

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 4>I go over to the dungeon and I'm leaving at

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 4>one part one time. So after after drean bing introducing it,

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:31.360
<v Speaker 4>and the thing didn't work out with DJ when they

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 4>came back when they said man were about to do

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 4>a showcase full of face records, they had on the

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 4>face Records t shirts and they both had blonde hair

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 4>They had blunt, short blonde haircuts, and they were calling

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 4>themselves two Shades DJ at the time.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 6>So Dre's original.

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:52.360
<v Speaker 4>Rap name was Jazz j A h Z Jazz and

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 4>big Boy Big big Boys, big boys, you know, given

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 4>the names.

0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 6>Antoine, so it was Jazz and twin.

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:04.400
<v Speaker 4>So so you know, they haven't even know what that

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 4>vibe was. That sound like a do y'all remember do

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 4>you remember Dallas Austin's first group of Highland placed monsters.

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 6>Just get okay, let's get niggad. So you remember Tip Maniac?

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay.

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.919
<v Speaker 4>Me and Tip were like play brothers too, so people

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:22.480
<v Speaker 4>thought we looked alike, you know what I mean. But

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 4>like Tip is like he was just like me. He

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.360
<v Speaker 4>like a real food and that's why he got his

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 4>nickname maniac, you know what I'm saying.

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 9>Like, so he's really talented to guy, just just you know,

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.399
<v Speaker 9>just one of those over the you know, over the top,

0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 9>you know, you know, one of those one of those torture.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 4>Soul type type, you know, tragedy cats man, you know,

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 4>like a good guy though loving her death. But anyway,

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 4>so a small community in Atlanta, So I gotta say

0:34:55.480 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 4>this part so fact. He takes us over to the dungeon.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 4>I remember, I'm recalling conversation from Dre and Big the

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 4>day that they said they were gonna get signed to

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 4>the face.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 6>So we go to the dungeon, Sleepy Brown sitting there.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 4>I recognized him from a You Boys picture. I sang

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.399
<v Speaker 4>for him and he's like, okay, cool, I like it.

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.439
<v Speaker 4>Then he comes Rico walking in the door with Dry

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 4>and Big. They had just stepped out to go and

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 4>get something to eat. Drace, you know, with excitement saying

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 4>that's my dude, That's what I was telling you about

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 4>this Sea Low. He's the one that does all of

0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 4>the story raps because at that time, you know, our

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 4>rhyme like that, like I was on some you know

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.800
<v Speaker 4>slick Rick. That was like saying, you know, so anyway,

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.319
<v Speaker 4>that's it. So I sang again for Rico and then

0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 4>you know we ended up you know, reconnecting and blah

0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 4>blah blah left that night.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 6>And then two other homeboys of mine.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.480
<v Speaker 4>This is like months later, Big j D and Killer Bee,

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 4>two of the homie hustlers from high school.

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 6>You could tell they was getting money in high school.

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 4>You know, he had to. He had that. He had

0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 4>that black grand jeep Cherokee with the gold package.

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 6>And the BBS is you know what I mean, like

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 6>in high school.

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 4>In high school, like you remember the one Heavy It's

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:11.240
<v Speaker 4>the one Heavy D pulled up in in the self

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 4>destruction video. He had a red one call that. So anyway,

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 4>so that so they was managing me at the time,

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, because they met they even though I knew them,

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 4>they didn't know. Nobody knew I did music. Everybody knew

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.800
<v Speaker 4>me for getting into getting into ship and like you

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 4>go get go, get Carlo, He'll he'll do it. That

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 4>was that kind of guy, you know. So we were

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 4>at we were at my homeboy Glenn Cook's house. I'm sorry.

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 4>Let me tell you.

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>We're keep going keep I'm more amazed that you were

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>debo in this situation.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:51.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm thinking, like that prince b out this mother then

0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 3>from the.

0:36:53.239 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 4>District. I was school the whole district. Plus I was

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.320
<v Speaker 4>bowl like that whole you know, rabbing motherfuckers for starting

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 4>jackets and stuff like that. That was me. That's what

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:06.839
<v Speaker 4>I say.

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 8>Now it's coming. All right, thank you, thank you.

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 4>It's true. No music.

0:37:15.560 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 6>Music, music totally saved my life.

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:18.480
<v Speaker 4>Man.

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, wait, I just gotta, I gotta, I gotta

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 1>preface because the thing is my favorite verse you ever

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>did on on uh still standing the.

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Gutta but always yeah, he gave up the gut a butter.

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.919
<v Speaker 3>And in my mind, I'm like, you look an tell

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 3>a tall tale, like.

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Can't about that life, But damn you play it well, motherfucker.

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 3>You really is living.

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 4>No dude, I'm telling you a question. If you just

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 4>probably do just an interview with anybody else from Atlanta,

0:37:58.120 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 4>they'll take you. I don't really like to talk about it, man,

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 4>but because I don't know, it's it's it's weird.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 3>I know, Jesus.

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 4>Definitely, most definitely. So listen, I don't want to I

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 4>don't want to lose it. So so okay, they I

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 4>battled Koo Joe, Kujo and Big Gip pulled up to

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 4>our homie Glenn Cook's house. He was he was like,

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:29.400
<v Speaker 4>who's the guy from American Pie? Uh Stiffler.

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 6>So Cook was like Stiffler.

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 4>He had He's the black stiffler the other neighborhood. Like

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, if there was he was the one that

0:38:38.719 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 4>had to cut parties at his house. He could always

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 4>go at any point today, somebody was there, you know,

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 4>just bring some beer and and you know that's when

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 4>that's when we were still we were still going in

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 4>dollars a piece.

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 6>On nickel, bands of weed and you know, just broke

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 6>and stuff, broke hood ship, you know what I'm saying.

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 4>By you know, we couldn't even afford to buy the

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 4>whole pack of newports. Just go get four newports like

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 4>Loucy's and Duce Duce cold forty five old drinking forty ounces.

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 6>It was that era. It was that era.

0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 4>Man, Okay, I battled, I battled Kujo because killer be

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.239
<v Speaker 4>you know he I'll just say it, because he was

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 4>a wee guy at that time, but he was. He

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 4>ended up being my manager because they you know, and

0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 4>so he played me Kujo and Timo's demo. So originally

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 4>they they were the goodie mob Lumberjacks, you know.

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:36.440
<v Speaker 6>And so I heard their demo and I was like, damn.

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:39.839
<v Speaker 4>I knew Timo because he grew up a street over

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 4>from me. His family's house is a street over from

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.279
<v Speaker 4>my grandmother's house that I grew up. So I've known

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:47.480
<v Speaker 4>him my whole life too. He's like the second person

0:39:47.480 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 4>I've known the longest, him Dre and then Backbone I've known.

0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 4>I've known them all my life, you know. So anyway,

0:39:56.680 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 4>I used to hear about Willie. I heard about his legend.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:03.960
<v Speaker 4>Let will Kujo. The girls called him. He was voted

0:40:04.040 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 4>most attractive. And you know, my sister that would come

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:10.600
<v Speaker 4>home because she she graduated in their class. So Kujo, Timo,

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:14.239
<v Speaker 4>and Gilt graduated with my sister. So I'm three, I'm

0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 4>three years older than them, but I knew so. But

0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 4>WILLI was just kind of like hunk of a dude,

0:40:19.080 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, you know. But he was like a brawler,

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 4>like Patrick Swayzee and Roadhouse so like you know, so

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:32.719
<v Speaker 4>around so around that time, it was about it wasn't

0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.760
<v Speaker 4>about games. It's most certainly about games in Atlanta now,

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.760
<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't about games. It was about rival high schools.

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 4>So we grew up how like the movie Outsiders was,

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.759
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, you know we we we

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 4>fought in that same part that that was at the

0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 4>at the end of my street. All of the high

0:40:49.880 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 4>school fights would take it to the wreck, that's what

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.919
<v Speaker 4>they call it. It was short for recreation center. Let's

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 4>take it to the wreck. So I stepped there and

0:40:57.280 --> 0:41:02.000
<v Speaker 4>I witnessed a handful of high school all battle royals.

0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 4>And you know, but I was an underclassman, you know,

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 4>I was really looking for my turn. So I was

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 4>really making noise in my in my grade. And then

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 4>I eventually started hanging with the older dudes and started

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 4>going over there and getting into those fights and stuff

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 4>like that, you know what I'm saying. So so with

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 4>that cook, I battled so uh, killer B was selling

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 4>us the weed. But the end of the end up being

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 4>my manager. He witnessed He became my manager because he

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 4>witnessed me battle Kujo, you know what I mean.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 6>Like and I'll say that it was a draw, you

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 6>know what I mean?

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 4>Like, you know it was it was friendly, you know

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, Like, but you know I had the

0:41:39.680 --> 0:41:40.280
<v Speaker 4>secret weapon.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 6>I started singing on him and all kinds of ship

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:42.560
<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying.

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 4>It was like that. But you know, a lot of

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 4>people like to give me the credit for being maybe

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:50.880
<v Speaker 4>one of the first to do that, them to let

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.200
<v Speaker 4>myself Lawrence Hill. But I'm like, nah, I'm going all

0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 4>the way back to force some d's and UTR phone,

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 4>you know, cold crushing and all of those routines they

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 4>used to do with the harmony.

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I was gonna say the one promo thing

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that I've ever missed in the history of roots was

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>when they rent to a radio station.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:12.879
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember this night?

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, we freestyted, you know, I remember all y'all freestyle together.

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, comal.

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it was on YouTube.

0:42:26.960 --> 0:42:28.399
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'll admit it now.

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I met I met, I met a bad shorty in Atlanta,

0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>and I I feigned sickness with the record label like,

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:40.400
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I really got aheadache, I can't make this,

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And they went to radio like normally I would. I'll

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.319
<v Speaker 1>be the first to hide up good for you a

0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.160
<v Speaker 1>radio station, So.

0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 4>Question, can I can I can I get on another

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 4>one for a second.

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 6>I used to love distortion to Static. Do you know that?

0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:02.239
<v Speaker 4>I mean like I got that that maybe right before that,

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 4>I think I got maybe like the promo copy.

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:05.799
<v Speaker 6>Of do You Want More?

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. And I remember telling Tyreek

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.399
<v Speaker 4>and you know, no you know him, like I say, like, yo,

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 4>I really liked the album, bro. He said, oh, yeah,

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:17.600
<v Speaker 4>what song do you like? You know what I'm saying,

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 4>you feel me like?

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:19.200
<v Speaker 6>He was kind of like.

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Always stop asking people that, so and so you.

0:43:23.640 --> 0:43:25.319
<v Speaker 4>Know, I'm not making it up because I remember, like

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 4>it was yesterday, and I said, oh, I like you

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 4>know the social static obviously you know what I mean,

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 4>like proceed and I said, like, and then I love

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 4>Lazy Afternoon.

0:43:33.680 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 6>He was like, oh shit, I'm saying you.

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 4>And I think I think that was kind of like

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 4>the beginning of a bond because then we ultimately didnt

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 4>end up doing one of our first our first tour together.

0:43:45.920 --> 0:43:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Y'all, y'all made y'all made such an impression.

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember we we had spent we had spent a

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>good three years just in isolation living in Europe. So

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>when we finally came back to the state till ninety five,

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.920
<v Speaker 1>like we didn't we didn't have friends yet, like there

0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>was there was no common d'angela, Like there was none

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>of that like the click that we had. So we

0:44:07.719 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 1>were just kind of out there in the open. And

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:14.959
<v Speaker 1>y'all were really the first people that we befriended, and

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>like that that shipment a lot, like y'all.

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 3>Y'all came to that show.

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I think there was a show that we did with

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the Far Side, and I think that you guys came

0:44:25.120 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 1>as like an outdoor show at one of those spots.

0:44:28.480 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But the map, Yeah, but yeah, no, you you were

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 1>always That's how I know you're a hip hop ped

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.720
<v Speaker 1>and and and into that. So how once you guys

0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>got together, Like how especially now, like I can't even

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:48.359
<v Speaker 1>imagine how it is to navigate in a group, Like

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 1>how do you determine who does what and concepts and

0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:54.319
<v Speaker 1>what you guys are?

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so I'll cap it off by saying kill it be.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.720
<v Speaker 4>And j D started to manage me after they witnessed

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 4>that battle, and then some months and then they were

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 4>trying to kind of show me that they were, you know, credible.

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 4>You know. They came and picked me up one night,

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:15.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, and then they took me to Jermaine Dupree's house.

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 4>And this is when they were shooting the video for Crisscross. Uh,

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 4>everything's all right, it's the record they had. Yeah, so

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 4>that was at Jermaine's house and I.

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 6>Remember that and I said, okay, so it's.

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.480
<v Speaker 4>Like they were showing you things. We're introducing you exposed,

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 4>and we're like all right, you know, cool whatever, you know.

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 4>So then they ended up taking me to the Dungeon again.

0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:38.880
<v Speaker 4>And when we were pulling up on the dungeon, you know,

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, I said, this place looks familiar. So long

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 4>story short, they brought me back to the dungeon and

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.240
<v Speaker 4>everybody was there. So I said, I've been here before.

0:45:50.560 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 4>I go in the door, dre, big, sleepy ring, everybody

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 4>who I just met months prior because of Fat Keith

0:45:57.080 --> 0:46:00.560
<v Speaker 4>and Markquz they were all there, in addition to Gip

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 4>and t MO and everybody just pulling up and it

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 4>was just traffic over there.

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, wow, like this like my whole

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.920
<v Speaker 6>neighborhood in this little bitty house, you know what I'm saying.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.879
<v Speaker 6>So that's how the Dungeon family came together. Now, as

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.720
<v Speaker 6>far as the song structure, I'll be I'll be totally

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 6>and how we and what the system is. Man, what

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:27.640
<v Speaker 6>happened was with the success of outcasts. You know, everybody

0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 6>came in as individuals.

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 4>Let's say, for example, Big Gip and Cool Breeze were

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:35.560
<v Speaker 4>in a group called the East Point Chain Gang. So

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 4>Gip came over as a solo artist. Now, if you notice,

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Gip had always had everybody was. Gip was poised to

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 4>be the next superstar, you know what I mean, Because

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 4>you know Dirty South, which which was the third single

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.480
<v Speaker 4>off of Soul Food. You know, it featured him in

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Cool Breeze. He was just paying a respect to his og.

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 4>Cool Breeze is his og, and Cool bree came up

0:47:00.960 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 4>with the key coin the phrase dirty South. But technically

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:07.400
<v Speaker 4>otherwise that would have been a gift solo song because

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:09.879
<v Speaker 4>it's Ghip, Koobre's and Big Boy.

0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:12.120
<v Speaker 6>And then the second.

0:47:11.840 --> 0:47:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Album, Black Ice, which was a second single because I

0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 4>well know nobody, nobody was on it. It was just

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 4>get big and get big and dre you know what

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. So they were really looking for him to

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.360
<v Speaker 4>really be the next the next big thing. So with

0:47:27.480 --> 0:47:30.840
<v Speaker 4>that being said, goodie mom. You know, the Soul Food

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 4>album was essentially meant to be intended to be a

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:38.720
<v Speaker 4>compilation album to get everybody out at the same time.

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 6>So we weren't even formally a group.

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So if you'll just put together.

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 6>So yeah, if you basically, but it's it's kind.

0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 4>Of like the practicality of a Rico Wade and the

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.800
<v Speaker 4>vision of a Rico Wad because you know, let's say

0:47:57.160 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 4>I was featured on Get Up, Get Out, you know,

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:05.880
<v Speaker 4>which was another outcast song off of their album, and

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 4>Kujo t won't call it a while me and Big

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 4>Gibble on get Up, Get Out.

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 6>Get Up get Out ended up being a single, but

0:48:12.880 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 6>us being so totally ignorant and naive about radio format

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 6>that song.

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 4>Lyph this minutes. Yeah, we didn't know. We really didn't know, right,

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 4>So they had to put out an outcast version of

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 4>a goodie my version. So anyway, there was some interest

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 4>in me as a solo artist, but I was kind

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 4>of new over over to the dungeon, so.

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.520
<v Speaker 6>You know, if it would it would have been wrong.

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 4>And to be totally honest, I can, I can I

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 4>can say that I wasn't prepared to be a solo artist,

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.080
<v Speaker 4>but they wanted to give me a solo.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 6>Deal, you know what I mean.

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 4>So I was all up to get in a group

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:54.120
<v Speaker 4>with the Homeboys that I had known from the neighborhood,

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:55.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean, like, so that's what goody mother

0:48:55.840 --> 0:48:56.160
<v Speaker 4>I said.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.480
<v Speaker 6>You know, you know this is easy enough.

0:48:58.520 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 4>I know the.

0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.759
<v Speaker 6>Homeboys, so but you know, I'm the baby that group.

0:49:02.800 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm a lot. I tend to be more vocal than

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 4>just about everybody, so people kind of like misconstrue that.

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.279
<v Speaker 6>But like now everybody's older than me, you know what

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 6>I mean, and.

0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 4>Like three years.

0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, well that could be ship and that's a lot

0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 3>make a difference to me too.

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Now it makes sense when I because I went to

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Clark By the time all this was happening, I was

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 2>at CEU, and I used to see Selo on Spelman

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>campus and stuff all the time, just like chilling, because

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:30.160
<v Speaker 2>that's what people did.

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 4>You used to see me down there in the in Pola.

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:33.879
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, like sitting on the.

0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Wall, that's it.

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was down there.

0:49:37.480 --> 0:49:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Because I was like, I wanted you to talk about

0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:41.520
<v Speaker 2>like so you talked about the beginnings of how y'all

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:42.040
<v Speaker 2>all got together?

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 8>But by the time I got.

0:49:42.920 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 2>To Atlanta, it was a scene that was being set

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 2>that was like no other pre like black black, Black Lily,

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:51.000
<v Speaker 2>like with you guys, funk.

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Jet are you telling y'all? Because like you know, Spike

0:49:54.400 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 4>Lee filmed school days there, so it's like, you know,

0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 4>the au that was popping, It's like that was like

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.000
<v Speaker 4>the strip. I mean, like if you had a nice

0:50:03.160 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 4>whip or something like that, you ride through that, you know,

0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.480
<v Speaker 4>hollering at the college girls and this that and the

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 4>third so like it was just this little vicinity, you

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, like you know of just like socialization,

0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.239
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. And it's like right next

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 4>to the hood. So it's like, so whatever you want.

0:50:24.160 --> 0:50:25.680
<v Speaker 8>We don't have Morris Brown at the time.

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 4>But so look, no, no, your question, answer your question.

0:50:28.560 --> 0:50:30.359
<v Speaker 4>I want to make sure that I'm clear, all right.

0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:35.680
<v Speaker 4>So with that being said, I just me. You know,

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:41.320
<v Speaker 4>I'm like I write songs like playwrights, like screenplays, you

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:42.800
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, So like I have to have

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.839
<v Speaker 4>a visual, I mean, like something to anchor me down,

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like you know, okay, like

0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about this, we're talking about that, and then

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:53.799
<v Speaker 4>I know how to summarize, and I know how to paraphrase.

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.600
<v Speaker 4>But you then you got artists like you know Kujo

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:00.880
<v Speaker 4>who you know this, and I mean this with the

0:51:01.000 --> 0:51:04.879
<v Speaker 4>utmost respect. He's like fucking Hannibal Lecter, you know, man,

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.799
<v Speaker 4>where he could he could, he could take his When

0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 4>I first met Kujo, he was we would go to

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.960
<v Speaker 4>the liquor store, have a forty yars old English. He

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.719
<v Speaker 4>would finish the forty and take the brown paper bag

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 4>and write a rhyme on the paper bag. Or I

0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 4>saw him write rhymes on a roll of toilet tissue.

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 4>So he would do really cool you know, you know,

0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:30.200
<v Speaker 4>swageristic eccentric shit like that, which made everybody be like

0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 4>taking a notice to you know, like this big Kujo,

0:51:33.040 --> 0:51:36.640
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So you know, so you know,

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:38.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, I thought that kind of stuff was amazing,

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:39.520
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean?

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 3>And you remember, know what their role was in the

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.840
<v Speaker 3>group or how they were perceived.

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm kind of like that. I was kind of

0:51:47.560 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 4>like project manager, you know what I mean, Like you know,

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 4>I you know, I came up with the the concept

0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 4>of the soul food, uh you know, I came up

0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 4>with that title. I came up with the concept of

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.120
<v Speaker 4>know Kujo being the meat because things that he was

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.400
<v Speaker 4>saying was kind of tough to chew, you know what

0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.120
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, like, you know, uh t. Timo was the

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:11.319
<v Speaker 4>bread because Timo was just kind of like independent dude,

0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'm saying, like, but man, can I live

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 4>off bread alone? And Get was the vegetables because Gip

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.920
<v Speaker 4>is like, you know, this politician. He knows how to

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, wrangle and galvanize and get people together and like,

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I'm like the water because I'm there

0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 4>to be the transparency and the clarification because everybody was

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 4>trying to you know, interject with new slang and you know,

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.120
<v Speaker 4>it was a whole new identity and even I, even

0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 4>I didn't understand what some some of what was being said.

0:52:40.480 --> 0:52:43.200
<v Speaker 4>So I kind of like assumed the position to just

0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:46.799
<v Speaker 4>make sure that we were translating, you know, the right way,

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 4>because I knew what we were doing was important, you

0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:52.680
<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, you feel me, And it was

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 4>imperative that you know, like we were received, you know,

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 4>and seeing in the right light. I mean, so that's

0:52:57.840 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 4>kind of like me. I'm still like that to this day.

0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 4>But you know, you know, it's it's hard to know

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:06.160
<v Speaker 4>a lot without being seen as a know it all?

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:11.360
<v Speaker 4>Can you dig it? And I can be I can't.

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.920
<v Speaker 4>I can be a little controlling, but it's but it's

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:17.799
<v Speaker 4>always about the quality control, you know what I mean,

0:53:18.280 --> 0:53:21.200
<v Speaker 4>as long as you know yeah, I know, I know,

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 4>And it ends up being a louisence a little bit,

0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 4>but like it's for the greater good, you know what

0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:27.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, like just trying to make sure that we're good,

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:31.800
<v Speaker 4>appreciate product, see question, That's what you gotta be for

0:53:31.880 --> 0:53:32.560
<v Speaker 4>the you know what I mean.

0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 6>I know that I know you can relate to that.

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I would say.

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 5>So I kind of caught hell, uh a little hell

0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:39.840
<v Speaker 5>on the on the on the internet. Couple out of

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 5>a month or so ago. I did an interview me

0:53:42.080 --> 0:53:45.720
<v Speaker 5>and Phoo, We did an interview with my man Piso

0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 5>h out of hip hop site out of Vegas.

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 5>Well, we just were naming our favorite records and they

0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:52.560
<v Speaker 5>would play the records, you know what I'm saying. We

0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.440
<v Speaker 5>talked about it, and so one of the records that

0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 5>Phoo named was at Lings, and so he brought up

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:00.160
<v Speaker 5>at Alings and we were talking about it what ever,

0:54:00.680 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 5>and they got on me because I said, well, now

0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 5>is it time to admit And you don't have to

0:54:05.560 --> 0:54:07.000
<v Speaker 5>weigh in on this, se Lop, but this was just

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:11.800
<v Speaker 5>my thought. Can we admit now that Soul Food was

0:54:11.840 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 5>a better album than at Aliens?

0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:19.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gods was hot?

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:21.280
<v Speaker 4>Okay?

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:25.080
<v Speaker 3>Right, you know what he was?

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And what I want to tell you, man, like specifically

0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 1>just to you as an MC, you know, And let

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 1>me be clear, I love atl I mean that's a

0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:32.760
<v Speaker 1>classic fucking record.

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 3>Like I love that album. But for me the way

0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.280
<v Speaker 3>I came into Goodie Mob when I bought that album.

0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:40.000
<v Speaker 5>First off, and I've told this story show before, Like

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.479
<v Speaker 5>I actually broke the law to like get y'all's album.

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:44.520
<v Speaker 5>Like I drove, I ain't have no license, I'm driving

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 5>to the Rex store to buy Soul Food.

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 6>So I bought it.

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.080
<v Speaker 5>So so I bought it, you know, man. So like

0:54:52.400 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 5>when I first heard Cell Therapy, it was that was

0:54:55.560 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 5>kind of weird. I was like, Okay, I like this

0:54:57.800 --> 0:54:59.480
<v Speaker 5>this is is kind of weird. And then the B

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 5>sides I had the we had to single first and

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:04.120
<v Speaker 5>the B side was Soul Food on like the CD,

0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, and so you had like Soul Food and

0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 5>I was like okay, like they say, I was like okay.

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 5>But then when I heard when that ship opened up

0:55:13.120 --> 0:55:16.200
<v Speaker 5>with you singing and then going into thought Process, I

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 5>just thought that was just such a crazy like to

0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:23.280
<v Speaker 5>open an album on such like, because most rap albums

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.480
<v Speaker 5>always started with like the hype that just hitting you

0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:29.200
<v Speaker 5>over the head. To just go into something just so

0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:33.120
<v Speaker 5>like slow and meditate like that ship was fucking haunting.

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:33.279
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

0:55:33.400 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 3>I was like, yo, this record, these niggas has got

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 3>it and.

0:55:36.800 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 1>So down I would throw it down and say that

0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the day I got the CS Free, I'm sorry you

0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>was so Free was so to me.

0:55:53.680 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 3>It was I was so jealous that we didn't create

0:55:58.160 --> 0:55:58.840
<v Speaker 3>some ship like that.

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I spent a day listen to Free on

0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.600
<v Speaker 1>loop before I even got pat.

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 3>By day two, then I went to Thought Process like

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:11.120
<v Speaker 3>the whole rest of the record.

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:17.399
<v Speaker 5>But to me, oh man, that nah, that album, that shit,

0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:19.400
<v Speaker 5>the setting it off like that was amazing.

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.879
<v Speaker 3>And so the thing for me was when I heard

0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Soul Food, that was for me just as an MC.

0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 5>I never heard anybody be that honest, Betimes, I don't

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:32.839
<v Speaker 5>even know how I'm gonna eat by twenty dollars away

0:56:32.880 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 5>from being on the street. I'm like, Damn, these niggas

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:37.879
<v Speaker 5>is really spitting that shit. And then like your verse

0:56:38.040 --> 0:56:40.600
<v Speaker 5>on guests who like talking about your mom, Yeah, and

0:56:40.880 --> 0:56:43.439
<v Speaker 5>just you know what I mean. So when I heard

0:56:43.520 --> 0:56:47.120
<v Speaker 5>soul Food, I mean, by the time Atlings came around,

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I liked at Aliens, but the initial punch,

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:52.719
<v Speaker 5>it kind of felt like y'all had beat them to

0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 5>the punch in terms of what I was looking for

0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 5>in the next Outcast album.

0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Just the soul, the honesty, just every thing.

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:05.399
<v Speaker 4>For me to be, to be totally honest, I will

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:08.719
<v Speaker 4>say this, Our Cast has always been our flagship as

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 4>far as Dungeon family is concerned, you know, but we

0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 4>had always been fundamentalist, you know, and an even more effective.

0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 6>Uh hypothetic.

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.840
<v Speaker 4>Well example is I've described it as this if if

0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 4>Dre and Big were Chuck and Flave, we were the

0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:35.680
<v Speaker 4>s one w's yes, yes, you know what I'm saying.

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 6>That that's that's the relationship, you know what I mean?

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 4>Like even though me being and Dre are the same age,

0:57:44.360 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I was supposed to be an outcast originally,

0:57:56.920 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 4>how hard.

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Is it to to sell this concept and this idea

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 1>in your own hometown because image wise, you guys aren't

0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:14.160
<v Speaker 1>aren't what an outsiders view would think of as traditional

0:58:15.440 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Atlanta hip hop, and yet you are, I mean, you're

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:27.720
<v Speaker 1>actually establishing it. Like how how open was the Atlanta

0:58:27.840 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 1>natives into this concept?

0:58:30.720 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Was it like you guys are weirdos? Or was it

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:35.800
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, I feel that shit.

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:39.360
<v Speaker 4>Too, or like I'll say this, we were like the

0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:42.080
<v Speaker 4>Zulu nation, you know what I mean, Like let's say

0:58:43.400 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 4>when you know that Africa Bambada, you know what I

0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:49.520
<v Speaker 4>mean that the souls on the forest were the black

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 4>spades just prior you know what I mean? You feel

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.880
<v Speaker 4>me it was kind of like that. It's like, you know,

0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 4>everybody realized that we were using the opportunity for a

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.040
<v Speaker 4>greater good, were not relishing in you know, any of.

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.959
<v Speaker 6>The wrongs that we were you know that we had done,

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:06.680
<v Speaker 6>you know.

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.400
<v Speaker 4>And that people knew it could have could have attested

0:59:09.480 --> 0:59:12.360
<v Speaker 4>to like you know what I mean, you know, it's

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 4>like damn, like you know, like if anything, we caught

0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:19.960
<v Speaker 4>people by surprise because we were addressing uh, certain issues

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 4>topically trivially, you know, I mean, like you know just

0:59:23.440 --> 0:59:26.880
<v Speaker 4>trying to expound upon who we were, you know, like

0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:29.960
<v Speaker 4>as artists and as individuals, as men, as black men,

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.080
<v Speaker 4>as as activists because I always say that we were

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 4>fighting for the civil rights of southern hip hop at

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:38.320
<v Speaker 4>that time, you know what I mean? And you know,

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:41.640
<v Speaker 4>we recorded Soul Food in Curtis Mayfield's home studio, so

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.600
<v Speaker 4>our icons, you know, I mean, like they were alive

0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:46.520
<v Speaker 4>and well, and we knew that they were watching, and

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<v Speaker 4>we knew that we needed to do something with some

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<v Speaker 4>reverence and some respects.

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<v Speaker 5>On uh on the did you say Mayfield on the

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<v Speaker 5>New World Order album? The one did you co write?

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<v Speaker 5>One of those records?

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<v Speaker 4>That? No, I didn't, but some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote it didn't really make it. But I was

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<v Speaker 4>working at the time with with the O G.

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<v Speaker 6>Cool Ace, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>You feel me? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>You so for those I gotta shout out kool Aids Man,

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<v Speaker 6>kool Aids.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, cool as cool as was Gibbs lieutenant in the

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<v Speaker 4>in the Nation of Islam early so, but then he

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<v Speaker 4>digressed and he became a bona fide pimp.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, yeah, how are you so that you just like?

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<v Speaker 3>And then he said it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 8>I was, you know, ordinary to see. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 8>you know, that's normal.

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<v Speaker 6>So so, but he's super duper, duper talented and I love. Hey,

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<v Speaker 6>he's a good guy, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>He's still around, He's still alive.

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<v Speaker 4>He's still he's still around. He's like he's one of

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<v Speaker 4>those dudes, like you know, he holds the amateur knights

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<v Speaker 4>at the strip clubs and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>That's his state. But that's you know, that's not that's

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<v Speaker 6>not even be condescended.

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<v Speaker 4>That's where he wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 6>That's his community.

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<v Speaker 4>You know. It's like that's that's that's what he loved,

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<v Speaker 4>That's what he loved to love, and that's what he

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<v Speaker 4>want to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that since you guys came out and such well,

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<v Speaker 2>because Atlanta also is such like a large college town,

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<v Speaker 2>not just in a sense of like the AUC but

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<v Speaker 2>all the colleges there, do you think that that attributed

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<v Speaker 2>to to some of the extra fantage that you had

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<v Speaker 2>at home?

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<v Speaker 4>It did, It did, and and everybody was at that

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<v Speaker 4>time because I'll cast struck a chord because it had

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<v Speaker 4>given Atlanta an identity, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, kingos and you know guess gene shorts and

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<v Speaker 4>pump Pum footies and Stan Smith. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>y'all know what I'm saying. So it was that's how

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<v Speaker 4>we dressed in Atlanta, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 4>they hit the nail on the head with the imaging.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, we we represented like an underbelly, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean, like you know, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>an attitude, you know what I mean, Like an aggression

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, and a progression you know, because again we

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<v Speaker 4>felt like we needed to. We knew that we were

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<v Speaker 4>in some regard like front lining. I mean, like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>for for Southern hip hop to be counted, to be

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<v Speaker 4>heard and to be respected. And so you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>believe that Cell Therapy it won with with Atlanta because

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<v Speaker 4>it won with New York first, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the record that got us into the tunnel and

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<v Speaker 4>stuff like that, you know what I mean, Like and

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<v Speaker 4>we out there, you know, freestyle and with the boot

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<v Speaker 4>camp click and you know, as I got to get

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<v Speaker 4>to meet all of them early, you know, Rock and

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<v Speaker 4>Shine Price and you know the strange wonder, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was going to ask if you had any

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<v Speaker 1>opinion or reservations about New York Post that source moment

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<v Speaker 1>for Outcast where the South had something to say.

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<v Speaker 6>To be totally honest, can I tell you what I

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<v Speaker 6>was distracted by.

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<v Speaker 4>I heard the booze, but I wasn't really tripping off

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<v Speaker 4>of it, man, Like it was like suspended animation on

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<v Speaker 4>that evening. You know, there was a lot of tension

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<v Speaker 4>because of the East coast West coast thing, but US

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<v Speaker 4>being neutral and us being acknowledged, you know enough to

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<v Speaker 4>even have been there and been in the building. I

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<v Speaker 4>was trying to riding high on that. I had gotten

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<v Speaker 4>some outfit tailor made for it, and I'm saying that

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm gonna take something else that's really cool. Big

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<v Speaker 4>Biggie Smalls was on our was one of our first supporters,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like he championed us, you

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<v Speaker 4>know from the inception and off the top. Biggie Small's

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<v Speaker 4>first shows were opening up for us in Atlanta, you

1:04:17.040 --> 1:04:21.960
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean. Puffy Puffy shot and directed players

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<v Speaker 4>ball for Outcast. So we all started together almost signed

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<v Speaker 4>a bad boy. Andre Horal was my mentor, and I

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<v Speaker 4>mean like it has been like, you know, so resting

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<v Speaker 4>soul so with that. I still remember vividly when we

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<v Speaker 4>were walking up on that stage. I heard the boos

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<v Speaker 4>in my perihew kind of hearing, but I got distracted

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<v Speaker 4>by the sound of BIG's voice sitting right there on

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<v Speaker 4>the front road saying yo, yo, see lo. You know

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm saying, holl hollering at me, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>showing us love and letting us know that he that

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<v Speaker 4>he rocking with us. And I remember outcast first show

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<v Speaker 4>in New York. We all went together as a crew

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<v Speaker 4>and we were performing. I think it was do you

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<v Speaker 4>remember somebody named called Grandma Funk.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, Grandma. I think, okay, you pulled the

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<v Speaker 3>glass from the past, Grandma.

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<v Speaker 4>So who's up there for Grandma Funk? Brod damn? So

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<v Speaker 4>Big out. He showed me love because Big was right

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<v Speaker 4>there in front of the stage, wrapping every word to

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<v Speaker 4>get up, get out with me. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>He showed me a lot of love.

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<v Speaker 4>He showed me a lot of love. I was even

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<v Speaker 4>invited me to be all ready to die. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>really know what ever happened with that, what I'm saying, like,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was completely naive and new to the game.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't even know what he was talking about because

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't really know how to receive a don't even

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate the invite because big wasn't big at that time,

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<v Speaker 4>right you know what I mean? Yeah, this was, but

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<v Speaker 4>he was just ready to die. Yeah, it's like Party

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<v Speaker 4>in Bush and Who's the Who's the Man? Soundtrack?

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<v Speaker 3>That was a slow burn man.

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't like a record that just did big numbers

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<v Speaker 5>out the gate, like absolutely minute.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're absolutely right, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 4>because I didn't even really like partying bullshit all of

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<v Speaker 4>the way, like I liked, uh the house Opainian record

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<v Speaker 4>off that soundtrack? Right, Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>He was Who's the band Who?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I was I was still.

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<v Speaker 6>Around that time.

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<v Speaker 3>DJ Muggs.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, DJ Muggs, So thats what's up? It's safe?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah that Joints. Y'all got a record on the

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<v Speaker 3>I love that record, y'all did joint?

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<v Speaker 4>I see them the first homies that took us in

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<v Speaker 4>when we went to l A. So we all got

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<v Speaker 4>tagged from cartoon you know. So you know that that's

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<v Speaker 4>why we be really down with the brown and black,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, Like making sure we keep

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<v Speaker 4>the peace and we advocates of that because they they

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<v Speaker 4>showed us nothing. Beloved. Man be Real just did a

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<v Speaker 4>song recently with Kujo on one of his independent projects,

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<v Speaker 4>So the love is still there. It's for main man

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<v Speaker 4>almost thirty years. Man.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a producer y'all had on Soul Food that

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<v Speaker 3>I never saw on anything else.

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<v Speaker 4>Mix Well, you know, we're in the process of doing

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<v Speaker 4>another Goodie Marvel album right now as we speak, actually,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's funny that quest even asked that that question

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<v Speaker 4>of how we get songs done, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's tedious, and I'm saying, you know, because like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're older sing like you know, like you know, everybody's entitled,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, Like you feel me. But

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<v Speaker 4>it's always been that kind of combustible kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what i mean, Like you know, but Mixo

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<v Speaker 4>mix so was he was Kujo and Timo's original producer.

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<v Speaker 4>So he was producing the Lumberjacks, okay, and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they had a other couple of dope songs that it

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<v Speaker 4>was supposed to make the album, but they were in

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<v Speaker 4>in a legal suit with their former management and they

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't use that material. So you know, everybody just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to honor mient So because of that sound. And I

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<v Speaker 4>just spoke to him the other day. I said, man, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>you're the only other producer besides Organized Noise who made

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<v Speaker 4>that original one the o G I said, So therefore,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, because I bumped into him and I was like, yo, man,

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<v Speaker 4>we gotta we got to get on the same page.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to get you back in the mix, man, like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's only right that we acknowledge you. And he was dope,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like he reminds his stuff will remind you

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<v Speaker 4>of Rizza, all dark and dusty and like just dope.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like, you know, so you know big Wu

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<v Speaker 4>Tang fan over here too, and people liking us, to

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<v Speaker 4>the people liking us to the Southern Wu Tang and

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<v Speaker 4>all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ps I just thought something, y'all, we need to put

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<v Speaker 2>a bookmark on when the Goodie Mob album comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>because Feo, you don't know this, but we had been

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<v Speaker 2>planning a trip to Atlanta to just grab everybody for

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<v Speaker 2>question free, like we was gonna Rico, we was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>see Drama.

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<v Speaker 8>We was just gonna see everybody. But you know, considering

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<v Speaker 8>the time I'm like, well, maybe when that.

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<v Speaker 2>Album comes out, we'll all be able to come out

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<v Speaker 2>the house and get the whole goodie help.

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<v Speaker 1>And touring with that record, which is the first time

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<v Speaker 1>that we uh toured together, explain that process because.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys used the band.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys used, Uh, I'm enjoyed with singing with y'all

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, Like, yep, you guys have a Little

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<v Speaker 1>John in the Chronicle as as your band, Like were

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<v Speaker 1>you guys always presented in kind of like I saw

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<v Speaker 1>y'all as almost like new p funk yall put it together.

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<v Speaker 4>That's funny that you said that. Well, we we got

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<v Speaker 4>introduced to Little John in the Chronicle because we did.

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<v Speaker 4>I think we did like maybe like a listing party

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<v Speaker 4>or once or a release party at a club called

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<v Speaker 4>Kaya back then.

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<v Speaker 8>As Frank Ski. Sorry, you know what I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying, shouts out to Frank Ski and and the Chronicle

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<v Speaker 4>was the band and it just kind of went over

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<v Speaker 4>so well, you know, it just I'm sure that there

1:10:06.880 --> 1:10:09.680
<v Speaker 4>was management that suggested it at that time. You know

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<v Speaker 4>that we kind of go in the live direction and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and you know that was all good. And

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, George Clinton speaking of Parliament. He was

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<v Speaker 4>one of our earlier mentors and supporters too. He's the

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<v Speaker 4>one that christened the Dungeon family as the young Parliament

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<v Speaker 4>for Padelics. So when you start seeing us breaking out

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<v Speaker 4>with all of the outfits and stuff like that, it

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<v Speaker 4>came from him, you know what I'm saying, Because he

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<v Speaker 4>because he said, you can't just say you're to an exceptional.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to be exceptional. That's why they call it

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<v Speaker 4>a fashion statement. If you if you can speak there,

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<v Speaker 4>then you can say less. You know what I'm saying. Ship, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and we went, we went, and obviously we went wild

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<v Speaker 4>with that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I was gonna say, for your the second album for

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<v Speaker 5>Still Standing, what happened with what?

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<v Speaker 3>I got ques by that album?

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<v Speaker 5>So they don't dance no more? I love that fucking song,

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<v Speaker 5>What what Happened with Little Will?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? So uh, they don't dance? The version that you

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<v Speaker 4>hear is a replay, but the original version was done

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<v Speaker 4>with the sample of Aaron Smith's dream On, So that's

1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:34.160
<v Speaker 4>what that is. It's really dream On right. So Little

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<v Speaker 4>Will was a hoodster, you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 4>you know around Atlanta, super duper talented, you know what

1:11:40.320 --> 1:11:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I mean like great voice, and he was signed to

1:11:43.479 --> 1:11:50.479
<v Speaker 4>Organized Noise's label, Imprint at Interscope Organized Noise Records, and

1:11:50.680 --> 1:11:53.120
<v Speaker 4>you know it was just it was just circumstance and

1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:57.320
<v Speaker 4>inexperience that kind of overshadowed. I mean, like all of

1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:59.519
<v Speaker 4>the promise and potential that he had as an artist.

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<v Speaker 4>But like I just saw him recently, maybe like a

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<v Speaker 4>year ago. I had a birthday uh party out here,

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<v Speaker 4>and he'll still hit my line every now and again.

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<v Speaker 4>But like he's just a real one, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. Like you know, you know because he's he's

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<v Speaker 4>that's him singing so you know Gucci Man and and

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<v Speaker 4>and Jez's first breakout record together, so Icy, that's Little

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<v Speaker 4>Will singing the record, singing the hook. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we we're responsible for a lot of careers man, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like and you know he's forever done.

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<v Speaker 5>Your family on the record on still Standing just about over?

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<v Speaker 5>Was that U was that David Wild that Wild Peach.

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<v Speaker 6>David and Wild Peach rest in peace to this Peach.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah is still.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah Dave David still whenever Big go while and he

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<v Speaker 4>take the band, he takes he takes uh, he take

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<v Speaker 4>Peach and he take Deborah killers with him.

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<v Speaker 5>He's always kept them, That's what's up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's so solent for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well you answered my gutter butter question. But also.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember like up in Philly, like Beautiful Skin was

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<v Speaker 1>also it for for every coffee shop joint I knew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that wound up on their mixtapes for World Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Was what was the chemistry with you guys in the

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<v Speaker 1>making of that album that was different from the first

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<v Speaker 1>two records.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I tell you this, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>Like it's never a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I could, I can rhyme cat and hat,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, you know, so like I

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<v Speaker 4>can I can just still be you know, I could

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<v Speaker 4>just still come in and just do you know whatever

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<v Speaker 4>we're doing what I'm saying, you know, but let me try,

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<v Speaker 4>let me try, let me try to, let me try

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<v Speaker 4>to give it some poetic justice, you know. I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's documented that I had a great disdain for

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<v Speaker 4>that project because you know, you know, even though we

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<v Speaker 4>were we were marginally you know, successful, you know at

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<v Speaker 4>that point, you know, two consecutive gold records, you know it,

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's only right, I mean, like that you want

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<v Speaker 4>to go to the next natural progression and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like you know, and shoot for high and mark you

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<v Speaker 4>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Like so like you know, I think you know, and

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<v Speaker 6>I know that that was the ambition for the label, which.

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<v Speaker 4>Is why for that for that third and you know

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<v Speaker 4>project with them and final project with them, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>one where they wanted to come in and interject with

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<v Speaker 4>their opinion about direction, you know, and things.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get rich to this the last song recorded

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<v Speaker 1>for that record?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I it was. It definitely wasn't And I'm gonna tell

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<v Speaker 4>you why because it wasn't even our record.

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<v Speaker 3>It was bad.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a what why That's what. That's why Backbones

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<v Speaker 4>versus first and he's doing the hook. It was his record.

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<v Speaker 4>It should have it would have been a hit for

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<v Speaker 4>him because Backboners, you know, the Dungeon family was comprised

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<v Speaker 4>of you know, you know, teachers and philosophers and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the hustlers and killer every everybody, you know, all that

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<v Speaker 4>shit came with it them saying, you know, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know he was you know, Backboners. When I on our

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<v Speaker 4>real live bone offire hustlers that come out that come

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<v Speaker 4>out of the out of the crew that really represent

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<v Speaker 4>on the street side, you know, I mean like and

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<v Speaker 4>we needed that to make sure that all of the

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<v Speaker 4>all of the bases were covered, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So that would have been that would have been a

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<v Speaker 4>great record for him, this as a solo record. But

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<v Speaker 4>it was so hot or so we thought, you know

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<v Speaker 4>what I mean that, you know, it was organized noise

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, decision to say, hey, we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 4>take that record if they use the platform, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a goodie mob, you know, to propel you or your

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<v Speaker 4>solo effort.

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<v Speaker 6>Shortly thereafter, I'm saying, you feel me?

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, man, you know I didn't fit like fitde.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't people. People were so disappointed and I knew it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like, if you want to go back and

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<v Speaker 4>dig up any of those bones, you'll see I said

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<v Speaker 4>it out loud. I was very playing, very I was

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<v Speaker 4>very frank, you know, I mean about my disconnect with it.

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<v Speaker 4>And Mom was like, man, that's not what the what

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<v Speaker 4>the people want. And hey man, you know like, but hey,

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<v Speaker 4>if we win, then we win. I say, you feel me.

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<v Speaker 6>Like if we don't, I'm gonna move on.

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<v Speaker 4>I say, you feel me.

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<v Speaker 3>Technically. I mean the album went cold, it did better.

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<v Speaker 4>It's so it's so more represented than any other other ones,

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<v Speaker 4>than the other joints.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so, and it still didn't feel like a win

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<v Speaker 3>to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but see, like I guess at that time, quest

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<v Speaker 4>Man real, really bro I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 6>Even really money conscious and none of that I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I wasn't chipping off under that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just about trying to make history, and everything

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<v Speaker 4>I was doing was for the glory, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 6>That's how I saw it.

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<v Speaker 4>I consider myself a real, live revolutionary, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>I mean? Like, you know, that's what I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>live and die for. What I'm saying, you feel me

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been an honor. I mean like, so

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<v Speaker 4>that was my my logic. And and now in retrospect,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you know, I sometimes I feel disappointed. I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like I don't know, I'm.

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<v Speaker 6>Forty five years old. I survived.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean maybe maybe I didn't, Maybe I didn't cause

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<v Speaker 4>enough damage or something, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like that, you know what I'm saying. Is

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<v Speaker 4>that real? For me to say?

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<v Speaker 8>No, that was something when your career started with like

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<v Speaker 8>self therapy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So, like I look around at what we're living through

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<v Speaker 4>right now, I'm like, God, damn, you don't think that.

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<v Speaker 2>You make you you a influenced and especially some of

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<v Speaker 2>these these young you know, protests and revolutionaries coming up.

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<v Speaker 8>You don't think you the soundtrack today?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh most most certainly, most certainly, I raised over a

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<v Speaker 6>thousand sons.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sure that.

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<v Speaker 8>That's all I'm saying, you know, And I'm proud of that.

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<v Speaker 4>And now I'm a declarated soldier, you know, and higher

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<v Speaker 4>ranking officer, like you mean, like you know, so like

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gracious, I'm gracious and very humble, you know what

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<v Speaker 4>i mean. But I'm just saying like it's just a passion,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. But and and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>of course I mean it on an on an artistic front.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like you know that's how I mean it,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean, I just want to do that

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<v Speaker 4>ship that last I mean, like you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I don't want to do I don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to do anything disposable or forgettable or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, records, I like the dip I thought like

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<v Speaker 3>you as a producer. That was the one.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, Yo, this is I thought, And I

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<v Speaker 4>tell you the truth about the broke. Tim Mo produced

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<v Speaker 4>the dip and he was starting to he was starting

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<v Speaker 4>to ventru but no, like I came in and I

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<v Speaker 4>did all those string arrangements and stuff like that, and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and you know, so we were growing and

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<v Speaker 4>so like, you know, I wanted all of that exuberant

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, like over the top stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that I ultimately went on to do. You know what

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, You feel me, But like you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's almost like people that that that start with you.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>I hate to say it like this, but it's like

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<v Speaker 6>people either almost either want you to be or expect

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<v Speaker 6>you to be like poor righteous teachers. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>just talking about the group. I mean literally, it's like

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<v Speaker 6>it's like no, but I'm like but in my mind,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, nah, like I'm too, I'm too, I'm too

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<v Speaker 6>intelligent about music and about industry. It's like I know

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<v Speaker 6>better what I'm saying, Like if you guys and at

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<v Speaker 6>that time, you know, Cash Money and No Limit records.

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<v Speaker 4>They were coming in and then they were showing how

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<v Speaker 4>to they were just they were they outworked everybody. Their output,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying, like was just immense, Like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you couldn't really compete. The motherfuckers was dropping

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<v Speaker 4>so much music, you know what I'm saying, Like they dropped.

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<v Speaker 3>With all the albums coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>That that changed the lexicon to where you know, they

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<v Speaker 4>dropped so much material that you could even call it

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<v Speaker 4>music in the morning, you have to call it content.

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<v Speaker 3>It was product. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So we couldn't you know, we were still trying to

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<v Speaker 4>make opuses and stuff like that, So we were taking

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<v Speaker 4>two and three years to make an.

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<v Speaker 6>Album and shit like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But like no, no, no, So we really couldn't compete,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I think everybody just felt a certain kind

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<v Speaker 4>of way. It really just wanted to be competitive at

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<v Speaker 4>the end of the day, and showed that we want

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<v Speaker 4>this straight laced button up you know, like quartette of

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<v Speaker 4>squares or you know what I mean. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like that we were cool and we liked women, and

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<v Speaker 4>we you know, we liked the party.

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<v Speaker 6>And other and other kind of stuff, which was true,

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<v Speaker 6>like like some of the biggest parties out there.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time the earth the earthy label was on

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<v Speaker 2>folks too. It was like, either yeah you shiny, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, yep. Sorry, you knew it was coming. You

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<v Speaker 3>guys knew it was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>You knew I was going to interrupt this moment to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the conclusion of part one of our interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Celo Green. We'll come back next week for part two

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<v Speaker 1>of our interview with Celo Green, and trust me, Part two,

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<v Speaker 1>we really get into it.

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<v Speaker 3>We get into everything. Whereas life has.

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<v Speaker 1>Been lessons, he's learned, journeys he's going to make, and basically,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we get into it. So please join us

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<v Speaker 1>next week, ladies and gentlemen for part two of our

1:21:26.520 --> 1:21:30.200
<v Speaker 1>interview I Want to Know me Legendary Celo Green.

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<v Speaker 3>See you next week.

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