WEBVTT - Unverified 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:18.759 Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:24.560 I hope that you all had a RESTful, recharging weekend 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.600 and that you had the opportunity to celebrate Earth Day 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:33.319 by getting outdoors. I'm sure you saw the news at 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.519 the end of the week that Elon Musk was using 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:47.480 his platform once again to decentralize community. He has removed 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.320 people who have had like myself, who've had blue checks 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:57.040 that they earned. You know, however many years ago, removed 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:03.240 and verified accounts unverified, which is to help with the 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:08.840 push of misinformation disinformation. But I want people to understand 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.280 something because you know, I had posted and I let 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:16.800 people know that I'm going to be using Twitter fairly infrequently. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.880 And it isn't just because of the removal of the 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.440 blue check, but it's because we have to understand that 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.880 spaces that were never created for and by the people 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:36.559 can always be disrupted, bought and deconstructed at the whim 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:42.840 of whatever billionaire, whatever corporation decides that they don't like 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.160 its use. The function of Twitter was to be a 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:49.440 global town hall, was to be a place where you 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:55.600 can gather and share thoughts and get information quickly spread. 0:01:56.240 --> 0:02:02.880 You know, information start movements, activism organized. It became a 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:07.200 real tool of organization, not just the birthplace of Black 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.440 Lives Matter, but the Arab Spring and you know, the 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:16.560 protests in Iran and things that we've learned about before 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:20.920 mainstream media had the opportunity or even desire to pick 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.680 things up. If you recall learning about the killing of 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.240 Mike Brown in Ferguson in twenty fourteen, that didn't come 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.000 from cable news. Cable news only started covering it after 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.000 there was an eruption from people on social media. And 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.040 so when you recognize that the status quo does not 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.280 want the mobilization of the people, it doesn't want a 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.360 collection of voices, because a collection of voices and community 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.880 with like minded people creates a movement. Movement then pushes 0:02:55.040 --> 0:03:00.399 for change and changes what the status quo does not want, right. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:04.000 They want a just a small few to be able 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:08.240 to have all right and for they have not to 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:12.839 continue to toil away and scramble and fight with each 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.720 other for the crumbs and the scraps that are left behind. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.360 They want us to believe that our voice and our 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.359 vote don't matter, and that we're just screaming into avoid 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:27.680 So that builds frustration and anger, and then that turns 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.000 into malaise and complacency, allowing the powers that be to 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:37.320 continue to thwart progress, right, and not even just to 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.240 thwart it, but like we are seeing reverse, it bring 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:52.000 us backwards. And so the point of this is detachment destruction. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:58.840 It is to create silos and separateness. Think about when 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.520 the slave trade began, and think about the ways in 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:11.280 which people, people, human beings were kidnapped from other tribes 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.160 that spoke other languages so as not to be able 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:22.479 to have connection and community to build a movement, right, 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.080 for people to organize, there were rules that were put 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:31.000 together that you know, black people, right, could not gather 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:37.240 in public spaces lest there be mutiny. Right. So you 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.000 have to understand, I bring us back to the point 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:44.240 of slavery to make a very stark correlation, not to 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:49.200 make one that at all minimizes slavery at all, you know, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:55.160 shows us that, like there is some type of direct connection. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.440 But you have to understand that power does not want 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:05.720 people organizing, Power does not want people gathering. Power does 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:12.200 not want connection. It thrives on disconnection and disruption and misinformation, 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:18.040 fear and anxiety. So what Elon Musk is doing is 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.760 no different than what has always been done. And what 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.760 people have to understand is that we cannot rest our 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.839 Laurels in one space and place and think that just 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.200 because millions of people use it that that means that 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:37.240 it's going to be forever. It's not. And our activism 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.560 and the crises, the layered crises that we are facing, 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:48.000 require a nimbleness, require an intellectual agility, require us to 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.960 think bigger and broader than just popping off tweets and 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.320 gathering in spaces that we don't own. So with this 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:05.120 latest disruption from an egomania narcissist, white supremacist billionaire, what's 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:09.640 next should be the bigger question? How do we organize? 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.719 How do we continue to mobilize, Where do we gather 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:18.480 and how do we gather right outside of the confines 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.800 of technocrats? Right? And so what does that look like? 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:26.400 Does it look like, you know, finding new online spaces 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.640 because we will always need them because technology is something 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.680 now we are dependent on. But does that now bring 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:39.040 us also back to more localized community and relationship? You know, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:44.000 during COVID at the height of it, we were saying 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.560 to one another that when we get out of quarantine, 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.800 I'm going to gather with people, and I'm going to 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.120 do these things and I'm going to create community because 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:56.920 we were so desperate for connection after being you know, 0:06:57.080 --> 0:07:00.279 separated from one another. But then what have we done done? 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:02.919 Three years later when we said a mass disruption was 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.000 going to happen, well, the powers that be decided to 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.599 tell people they needed to get back to work. They 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.320 decided to either do massive layoffs in order to recoup 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:16.520 whatever bullshit losses that they said that they had, which 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.840 was they really didn't because their CEOs and their shareholders 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:23.760 were still making money hand over fist, right. But we 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.000 have gone back to this new abnormal. It's this broken 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:33.080 black mirror right where things feel different, but we're being 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.800 pushed for them to go back to the same old, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.920 same old. And what I'm saying is that from Tennessee 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:46.120 to Florida, to North Carolina to Missouri to Kansas and 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.920 other places, you are seeing local action take place. And 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:55.800 local action is what is pushing legislatures, what is pushing 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.960 and reconnecting people to come together under a common call 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:05.559 and banner, which is freedom, right, which is family, which 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:13.120 is love, which is our ability to connect, right to progress, 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.520 to bend the arc. And so I would encourage us 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.400 that as we're watching things shift, not just to be 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:25.200 angry about it. And anger is justified when it is, 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.320 you know, put towards action. But anger on its own, 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.480 you know, can each you from the inside out. But 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:37.840 we need to think about what's next. Coming up next 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:46.720 my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks, 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.080 whenever I have the opportunity, you know, each week to 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.320 sit down with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:09:00.440 I am always thrilled. However, Jonathan, our conversations have you know, 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:08.319 they're just never good. They're never good and filled with hopefulness. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.679 And so it's unfortunate that we live in a country 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:17.040 where we cannot go a day without there being a shooting, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.520 whether it is a mass shooting, whether now we've had 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.240 a series of I don't even know what you call it. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.320 So I'll turn it over to you, but I want 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:30.360 to start today with the case of Ralph y'arl as. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:35.720 Folks know this, this case, Jonathan has really sent me 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:43.440 this week emotionally, it has just really hurt my soul 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.880 in so many different ways. So I want to start 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.440 with that case of the fact that a sixteen year 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:54.480 old black boy can't accidentally ring the wrong doorbell without 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.760 being potentially killed. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:00.600 Well, I'm glad we're starting with this. As you might 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.800 have guessed, I've been talking about it a lot because 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.960 my book was about gun laws in Missouri, and particularly 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:11.120 about the expansion of stand your ground laws and so 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.800 called justifiable shooting laws, basically making it okay for people 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.640 to kill each other. And I've been asked a lot, 0:10:19.960 --> 0:10:23.840 what is the psychology of this eighty something year old man? 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.440 Was he racist or whatever? And in polite ways which 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:30.840 I will not be as polite in our conversation because 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.200 we speak very honestly here. My answer is I don't care, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:35.840 and we shouldn't. 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.400 Care, thank you, yep. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.040 And that reason is because I don't know if somebody 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.520 is racist, and I really don't care about the individual interactions. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.240 I do know that Missouri is a state that has 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.839 made it increasingly okay. Of course, they've sold a lot 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.360 of guns, but they'd also been really at the forefront. 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.080 That was the story of dying of whiteness. A couple 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.840 of years ago really at the forefront of these kind 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.079 of laws that make it okay for people to shoot 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.920 each other if they feel threatned. And so feel threatened, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.760 what does that mean? That means you feel like somebody's 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.600 going to rob you or mug you. So what do 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.199 you think is going to happen when you give people 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.040 a lot of guns and then you pass all these 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.120 laws that make it okay for people to shoot when 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.959 they feel threatened. Well, what happens is that people act 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.720 on implicit bias, and explicit bias, they act on stereotype, 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.160 They act on the perception of that split second where 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.080 they see somebody's skin color and they associate blackness with 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:43.040 threat and hostility and robbing, and then they shoot, and 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.760 more often than not, they have the protection of the law. 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.840 In fact, in this case, I really don't think this 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.760 case would have gotten anywhere near the attention it did 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.400 if it wasn't for the media and then national politicians 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:59.480 picking up this story. But initially I think there was 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.320 a pretty good chance that in a case like this, 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.719 the guy could have just said I felt threatened and 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.400 that would have been the end of it. And even 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.240 in this case, the gun did say that, yeah, what 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.840 I was saying, I don't think he would have been 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.880 charged with anything, because I think that the law is 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:21.560 so broad that the perception of violence is what you're covered. Basically, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.600 you're covered and you're okay, and people know that. The 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.960 other issue, of course, with STANYR. Brown laws is not 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.640 just the racial politics of this kind of issue of 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:35.160 who gets shot, but it's also data repeatedly shows that 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:41.199 when white Americans claim stand their ground privileges, they're exponentially 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.760 more likely to be coded as justified killings, whereas when 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.319 Black Americans say I felt threatened, they're coded as criminals, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.400 and so black people often are much more likely to 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:56.360 get charged, convicted, go to jail, have their guns taken away, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.560 stuff like that, and so, top to bottom, stand your 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:02.720 Ground law are a disaster for our society, which is 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.800 what we're seeing this week. But they're also just openly 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:12.760 racist in their intent, in their execution literally and then 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:13.760 in their aftermath. 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:17.640 You know, there was a picture that was being circulated 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.120 on social media, and I'm sure that you saw it. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.920 It was from the NRA convention, and it was a 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.840 young white boy who maybe look like eight or nine 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.679 years old, holding a handgun at the convention where you 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.800 can buy all these guns and pointing it finger on 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:45.080 the trigger. And I thought about this juxtaposition, Jonathan, between 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.320 this white boy who is being brought to the NRA 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:55.600 convention as a preteen being indoctrinated with gun culture. And 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.160 then I think about the life of Ralph y'all and 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.360 the fact that miraculously he's out of the hospital and 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:07.120 is recovering. Thank God, right, because that was not the 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:11.559 intent of the shooter, Andrew Lester when he pulled that trigger. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:19.520 And so I think about this dichotomy of America, right, 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:23.760 how what black people are a threat by virtue of 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.880 living inside of black skin, white kids holding a weapon 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:33.000 is seen as patriotic. Do you see in any way 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.680 where there is at least some type of awakening that 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:40.480 white America has happened that is having. And I'm not 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.040 talking about the seventy five million that voted for Donald Trump. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.320 I'm not talking about the Maga hat wearing folks. I'm 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:51.000 talking about some semblance of normal fencitting white people who 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.960 are looking at this and saying, yeah, this can't be normal. 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.960 It can't be normal to shoot through glass because somebody 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.400 rang your doorbell and you weren't expecting them. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.200 Well, I think it's important to note that many white 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:10.120 people do think this is ridiculous, horrible, or horrific or unconscionable. 0:15:10.160 --> 0:15:12.960 I don't think it's a question of needing a majority 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.240 of white people to think this is wrong. We know 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:20.440 that in Tennessee, for example, where I am, after the 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.080 mass shooting we had in a school here, the numbers 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.560 went up even higher for white and black Tennesseans who 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.880 feel like we should get common sense gun laws, and 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.840 also Republicans and Democrats who felt like we should get 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.600 common sense gun laws. So the question is not about 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.520 it's not about popular attitude, it's not about popular perception. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.840 This truly is an example we talk about minority rule 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:52.760 as if it's just about governance, but this is industry 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.240 control over politicians and politicians not having to answer for 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.920 what's happening because of germandering, because of because of all 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:05.400 these other factors, and so I just I think that, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.920 I just think that I just think that there there's 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:17.840 a massive issue here with with with it's not popular opinion. 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:19.760 I mean, and I know people in Missouri. I know 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.560 people in Missouri are horrified also, so. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.320 You know, so I want to transition from the case 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.080 of Ralphie l which is just again, people have listened 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:32.880 to me all week on the show, share my just 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:37.520 emotions and feelings around this and all of the all 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.600 of the racism, all of the implications, and again to 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.880 your point with regard to people asking like was he racist, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.520 it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that a sixteen 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.400 year old boy could have lost his life because he 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.000 went to go pick up his siblings and went to 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:55.440 the wrong address. That you know. Moving forward through the week, 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:02.240 another shooting that has been gaining attention is of Caitlin Ellis, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.160 who was in Upstate New York in a rural part 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.639 of upstate New York, hit a car with her friends. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.480 She's a white woman in a car with a couple 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:19.159 of her friends pull into the wrong driveway of a 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.719 home that they're looking for. And I can tell you, friends, 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.840 if you've ever been in upstate New York, that happens 0:17:25.880 --> 0:17:29.640 a lot, because the homes are far and few in between, 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.400 and they're down dirt roads and what have you. And 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:40.280 another man comes out and shoots into the car, killing 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:47.720 Kaylen Ellis, a twenty year old white woman. And I 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.720 mean Jonathan, when you saw that case now, and this 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.480 man apparently has absolutely no remorse. I don't think it 0:17:55.480 --> 0:18:00.239 would matter if he did, because again, these people are 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.160 pulling the trigger. They're not in fear for their life. 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.920 Roberts don't ring doorbells, right like people accidentally pull into 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.560 driveways all the time and have to make a U turn. 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:16.720 The urge to grab a gun and then pointed inside 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:20.360 of a car, killing people who were not charging you 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.760 in any type of way, I don't understand. So what 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.840 do you make of this case? 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.879 Well, I just think it's the evidence is so clear 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:32.800 that these standiard grand laws are not are not serving anybody. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.800 I mean, I think that's what part of the issue 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:42.480 is that it is that you know, I keep thinking 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.160 about these It's called the castle doctrine. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.040 Yes, the council. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:51.080 Doctrine was this thing that basically started with, you know, 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:53.840 this idea that basically, if someone breaks into your house, 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.439 you have a right to shoot and kill them. And 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.679 we didn't used to think that you did because a 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.800 lot of people would be like, no, that's when I 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.199 that's when I should call the police. I should call 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.680 the police at times like that, or or I should 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.760 get help or something like that. But as guns became 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:19.040 more and more and more uh prevalent and acceptable in 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.679 all these factors, I would just say that, you know, 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.920 accept what was called justifiable homicide broadened and broadened and broadened, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.800 and so people now feel like shooting first and asking 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.760 questions later is what their protection is. And we're seeing 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.720 this case in Texas where the cheerleader got into the 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.720 based on upstate New York. And again, if the if 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.000 the criteria is feel threatened. I felt threatened. If that's 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:54.959 the criteria, then then you know people more often than 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:56.080 not are going to get away with it. 0:19:56.119 --> 0:19:59.280 And so but in a society that is filled, that 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.600 is that where we have have one political party and 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.480 a television network that works over time to instill a 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:10.840 sense of permanent fear right in it, to instill a 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.840 sense of permanent feelings of threat and anxiety and fear 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.680 of the other. Like there are there are no room 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.600 for accidents right there. There are no there's no room 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.439 for accidents in a society like that, because with one 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.480 that where everyone has a gun on their hip, then 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.119 it's immediately going to be like, oh, I go for 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:35.200 the trigger. How does that? Like I just don't understand, Jonathan, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.480 how many of these headlines and depths on top of 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:44.240 mass shootings, because now we're seeing what happens with all 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.160 of these standard ground laws and castle doctrine and all 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:52.120 of these things on top of the crazy, on top 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.320 of like the mass shooting crisis that we have. How 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:57.480 does this continue? 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.240 I wish I had an answer. I study this. I 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.639 can just say the frustrating part is it's not a 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:08.800 question of popular opinion. Politicians who support the NRA. Like 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.000 there was a split second we talked about it here 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:13.240 a couple of weeks ago, there was a split second 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:17.560 where there might have to be some accountability. Member Governor 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.680 Lee all of a sudden said, oh, yes, I support 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.639 red flag laws. The reason he said that was because 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:25.359 for a split second, but like he might get voted 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:28.119 out of office for it. And so the way that 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:32.399 this germandering has worked, people who support strong gun laws 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:37.520 have no accountability whatsoever, zero accountability, and they're never going 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.080 to get voted out of office. And so still until 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:45.560 that calculus changes, there's just there's no downside except for 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:52.639 dead people. For politicians to basically embrace the NRA as 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:54.720 much as they want, and a lot of their constituents 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.480 support them. But also because of the nature of germandering, 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:03.160 the fact that eighty five percent people might support red 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.040 flag laws, for example, is totally irrelevant because that doesn't 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.879 mean that eighty five percent of voters in a particular 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:12.840 district are going to vote for politicians who don't support law. 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:16.800 So there's no accountability electorally for what I think people 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:20.119 want individion, and so I just think that that is 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:23.960 the calculus that has to change. And then the other issue, 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:30.040 in line with another massive and potentially catastrophic political story 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.479 right now, is that it's also about having judges who 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:39.840 do not continually uphold and just blind Second Amendment constitutionality 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:44.200 as they define it. And that's important because the Democrats 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:48.200 are at a deficit for these kind of judges, and 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.800 the committee that appoints the judges that might level the 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:55.520 playing field is now being held hostage by Shingles and 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:59.080 Diane Feinstein and all that stuff. And so it's just, 0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:02.000 you know, I just think that we have popular opinion 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.359 on our side, but we don't have politics on our sides. 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.159 Let's look at this for a minute, in terms of 0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:13.679 the charges that have come out for the case in 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:18.520 Missouri on the attempt. What I will would say is 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.199 an attempted murder of Ralph Yarl, but that's not what 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.120 he's being charged with. In upstate New York, the man 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:28.520 is being charged with I think it is second second 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:35.080 degree murder because she did die. Do you think then 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:42.119 that within the criminal system, the arrest, prosecution, and hopefully 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:48.520 guilty charges for these individuals that are trigger happy would 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:54.479 then unintended trigger new laws on the books, or at 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:58.399 least create a deterrent for people to shoot first and 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:03.440 ask questions later. Is what responsibility, then, does the judiciary 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:08.040 have in holding people accountable for literally killing their neighbors. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:15.800 None? I mean, what would change the needle? I mean, 0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:17.600 I personally think we have to get rid of red 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.600 flag laws. I mean I get rid of I'm sorry, 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.240 get rid of Sandyr ground laws. I think stanyr Grand 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:29.760 laws are a total disaster. But right now there's there's. 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.280 No how many states have Staniel ground laws over half now. 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.360 Yeah, and again, it's not just you can shoot if 0:24:39.359 --> 0:24:42.800 you feel threatened. It's also where that happens has been 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.320 dramatically expanded. So it used to just be in somebody 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.040 breaks into your home, which I guess you could probably 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:53.080 understand then, but now because it's we have all this 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.119 public carry, it's also if you little threatened in public, 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:59.480 if you feel threatened in your car, if you feel threatened, 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.480 it's like green eggs and am on a boat, in 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:07.639 a plane, on a train, whatever. And so it's just 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:13.280 it's just beyond absurd honestly right now. So Jonathan, let 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.160 me just say, Daniel, I'm not trying to talk around 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.480 in circles. You can hear the exhaustion of my voice. 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.560 No, I I we talk about this every week, John, 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.639 that we've been talking about this every week for a 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.639 couple of years now, and it just but what what 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:28.479 it feels like to me is that in the years 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.639 that we have been in conversation with each other that 0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:34.159 there has been and I don't you tell me. Is 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.719 it an escalation or is it just more coverage of 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:38.919 it or is it both? 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.920 I think there's I mean, obviously there's more shooting. There's 0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:55.440 definitely more shooting, for sure. Uh, I mean there's absolutely 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.719 more shooting. There's laws that permit more shooting, and there 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.680 are more guns. I don't know, I mean, dying of whiteness. 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.320 I had this all this stuff about how Missouri used 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.639 to have some of the more responsible gun laws in 0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.879 the country until two thousand and eight, there used to 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.240 be a permit process in Missouri. So I mean, it's 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.359 it's not that long ago that we knew the right 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:17.120 answer to this. I mean, if you had a gun 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.320 in Missouri, you had to register with the sheriff and 0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:25.119 get a background check and do all this stuff. But again, 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.159 it's it's not a question of popular opinion, it's a 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.160 question of voting blocks and judges. That's where the that's 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:32.240 where the attention should be. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:37.440 I mean, I will say this that from the road 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.280 raid shooting incident that happened in Florida that I believe 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:45.480 like critically injured or took the life of one of 0:26:45.520 --> 0:26:48.280 the children that were in the car, both of them, 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:52.160 both of the both of the shooters had had had 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.159 kids in the car, which is just like absolutely fucking 0:26:55.200 --> 0:27:00.400 insane to me. The you know, accidental doorbell ringing that 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:06.240 has obvious racist implications, the accidental getting into the wrong 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:11.560 car now ends a cheerleader in Texas you know, critically 0:27:11.600 --> 0:27:15.040 injured and is in ICU fighting for her life, and 0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:18.280 kaylen Ellis is dead. All of this has happened just 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:21.000 in the last couple of weeks, like I think maybe 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:24.360