Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody, recording from the Home Bunker.
Speaker 1: I hope that you all had a RESTful, recharging weekend
Speaker 1: and that you had the opportunity to celebrate Earth Day
Speaker 1: by getting outdoors. I'm sure you saw the news at
Speaker 1: the end of the week that Elon Musk was using
Speaker 1: his platform once again to decentralize community. He has removed
Speaker 1: people who have had like myself, who've had blue checks
Speaker 1: that they earned. You know, however many years ago, removed
Speaker 1: and verified accounts unverified, which is to help with the
Speaker 1: push of misinformation disinformation. But I want people to understand
Speaker 1: something because you know, I had posted and I let
Speaker 1: people know that I'm going to be using Twitter fairly infrequently.
Speaker 1: And it isn't just because of the removal of the
Speaker 1: blue check, but it's because we have to understand that
Speaker 1: spaces that were never created for and by the people
Speaker 1: can always be disrupted, bought and deconstructed at the whim
Speaker 1: of whatever billionaire, whatever corporation decides that they don't like
Speaker 1: its use. The function of Twitter was to be a
Speaker 1: global town hall, was to be a place where you
Speaker 1: can gather and share thoughts and get information quickly spread.
Speaker 1: You know, information start movements, activism organized. It became a
Speaker 1: real tool of organization, not just the birthplace of Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter, but the Arab Spring and you know, the
Speaker 1: protests in Iran and things that we've learned about before
Speaker 1: mainstream media had the opportunity or even desire to pick
Speaker 1: things up. If you recall learning about the killing of
Speaker 1: Mike Brown in Ferguson in twenty fourteen, that didn't come
Speaker 1: from cable news. Cable news only started covering it after
Speaker 1: there was an eruption from people on social media. And
Speaker 1: so when you recognize that the status quo does not
Speaker 1: want the mobilization of the people, it doesn't want a
Speaker 1: collection of voices, because a collection of voices and community
Speaker 1: with like minded people creates a movement. Movement then pushes
Speaker 1: for change and changes what the status quo does not want, right.
Speaker 1: They want a just a small few to be able
Speaker 1: to have all right and for they have not to
Speaker 1: continue to toil away and scramble and fight with each
Speaker 1: other for the crumbs and the scraps that are left behind.
Speaker 1: They want us to believe that our voice and our
Speaker 1: vote don't matter, and that we're just screaming into avoid
Speaker 1: So that builds frustration and anger, and then that turns
Speaker 1: into malaise and complacency, allowing the powers that be to
Speaker 1: continue to thwart progress, right, and not even just to
Speaker 1: thwart it, but like we are seeing reverse, it bring
Speaker 1: us backwards. And so the point of this is detachment destruction.
Speaker 1: It is to create silos and separateness. Think about when
Speaker 1: the slave trade began, and think about the ways in
Speaker 1: which people, people, human beings were kidnapped from other tribes
Speaker 1: that spoke other languages so as not to be able
Speaker 1: to have connection and community to build a movement, right,
Speaker 1: for people to organize, there were rules that were put
Speaker 1: together that you know, black people, right, could not gather
Speaker 1: in public spaces lest there be mutiny. Right. So you
Speaker 1: have to understand, I bring us back to the point
Speaker 1: of slavery to make a very stark correlation, not to
Speaker 1: make one that at all minimizes slavery at all, you know,
Speaker 1: shows us that, like there is some type of direct connection.
Speaker 1: But you have to understand that power does not want
Speaker 1: people organizing, Power does not want people gathering. Power does
Speaker 1: not want connection. It thrives on disconnection and disruption and misinformation,
Speaker 1: fear and anxiety. So what Elon Musk is doing is
Speaker 1: no different than what has always been done. And what
Speaker 1: people have to understand is that we cannot rest our
Speaker 1: Laurels in one space and place and think that just
Speaker 1: because millions of people use it that that means that
Speaker 1: it's going to be forever. It's not. And our activism
Speaker 1: and the crises, the layered crises that we are facing,
Speaker 1: require a nimbleness, require an intellectual agility, require us to
Speaker 1: think bigger and broader than just popping off tweets and
Speaker 1: gathering in spaces that we don't own. So with this
Speaker 1: latest disruption from an egomania narcissist, white supremacist billionaire, what's
Speaker 1: next should be the bigger question? How do we organize?
Speaker 1: How do we continue to mobilize, Where do we gather
Speaker 1: and how do we gather right outside of the confines
Speaker 1: of technocrats? Right? And so what does that look like?
Speaker 1: Does it look like, you know, finding new online spaces
Speaker 1: because we will always need them because technology is something
Speaker 1: now we are dependent on. But does that now bring
Speaker 1: us also back to more localized community and relationship? You know,
Speaker 1: during COVID at the height of it, we were saying
Speaker 1: to one another that when we get out of quarantine,
Speaker 1: I'm going to gather with people, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: do these things and I'm going to create community because
Speaker 1: we were so desperate for connection after being you know,
Speaker 1: separated from one another. But then what have we done done?
Speaker 1: Three years later when we said a mass disruption was
Speaker 1: going to happen, well, the powers that be decided to
Speaker 1: tell people they needed to get back to work. They
Speaker 1: decided to either do massive layoffs in order to recoup
Speaker 1: whatever bullshit losses that they said that they had, which
Speaker 1: was they really didn't because their CEOs and their shareholders
Speaker 1: were still making money hand over fist, right. But we
Speaker 1: have gone back to this new abnormal. It's this broken
Speaker 1: black mirror right where things feel different, but we're being
Speaker 1: pushed for them to go back to the same old,
Speaker 1: same old. And what I'm saying is that from Tennessee
Speaker 1: to Florida, to North Carolina to Missouri to Kansas and
Speaker 1: other places, you are seeing local action take place. And
Speaker 1: local action is what is pushing legislatures, what is pushing
Speaker 1: and reconnecting people to come together under a common call
Speaker 1: and banner, which is freedom, right, which is family, which
Speaker 1: is love, which is our ability to connect, right to progress,
Speaker 1: to bend the arc. And so I would encourage us
Speaker 1: that as we're watching things shift, not just to be
Speaker 1: angry about it. And anger is justified when it is,
Speaker 1: you know, put towards action. But anger on its own,
Speaker 1: you know, can each you from the inside out. But
Speaker 1: we need to think about what's next. Coming up next
Speaker 1: my conversation with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel. Folks,
Speaker 1: whenever I have the opportunity, you know, each week to
Speaker 1: sit down with our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel,
Speaker 1: I am always thrilled. However, Jonathan, our conversations have you know,
Speaker 1: they're just never good. They're never good and filled with hopefulness.
Speaker 1: And so it's unfortunate that we live in a country
Speaker 1: where we cannot go a day without there being a shooting,
Speaker 1: whether it is a mass shooting, whether now we've had
Speaker 1: a series of I don't even know what you call it.
Speaker 1: So I'll turn it over to you, but I want
Speaker 1: to start today with the case of Ralph y'arl as.
Speaker 1: Folks know this, this case, Jonathan has really sent me
Speaker 1: this week emotionally, it has just really hurt my soul
Speaker 1: in so many different ways. So I want to start
Speaker 1: with that case of the fact that a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old black boy can't accidentally ring the wrong doorbell without
Speaker 1: being potentially killed.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad we're starting with this. As you might
Speaker 2: have guessed, I've been talking about it a lot because
Speaker 2: my book was about gun laws in Missouri, and particularly
Speaker 2: about the expansion of stand your ground laws and so
Speaker 2: called justifiable shooting laws, basically making it okay for people
Speaker 2: to kill each other. And I've been asked a lot,
Speaker 2: what is the psychology of this eighty something year old man?
Speaker 2: Was he racist or whatever? And in polite ways which
Speaker 2: I will not be as polite in our conversation because
Speaker 2: we speak very honestly here. My answer is I don't care,
Speaker 2: and we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Care, thank you, yep.
Speaker 2: And that reason is because I don't know if somebody
Speaker 2: is racist, and I really don't care about the individual interactions.
Speaker 2: I do know that Missouri is a state that has
Speaker 2: made it increasingly okay. Of course, they've sold a lot
Speaker 2: of guns, but they'd also been really at the forefront.
Speaker 2: That was the story of dying of whiteness. A couple
Speaker 2: of years ago really at the forefront of these kind
Speaker 2: of laws that make it okay for people to shoot
Speaker 2: each other if they feel threatned. And so feel threatened,
Speaker 2: what does that mean? That means you feel like somebody's
Speaker 2: going to rob you or mug you. So what do
Speaker 2: you think is going to happen when you give people
Speaker 2: a lot of guns and then you pass all these
Speaker 2: laws that make it okay for people to shoot when
Speaker 2: they feel threatened. Well, what happens is that people act
Speaker 2: on implicit bias, and explicit bias, they act on stereotype,
Speaker 2: They act on the perception of that split second where
Speaker 2: they see somebody's skin color and they associate blackness with
Speaker 2: threat and hostility and robbing, and then they shoot, and
Speaker 2: more often than not, they have the protection of the law.
Speaker 2: In fact, in this case, I really don't think this
Speaker 2: case would have gotten anywhere near the attention it did
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for the media and then national politicians
Speaker 2: picking up this story. But initially I think there was
Speaker 2: a pretty good chance that in a case like this,
Speaker 2: the guy could have just said I felt threatened and
Speaker 2: that would have been the end of it. And even
Speaker 2: in this case, the gun did say that, yeah, what
Speaker 2: I was saying, I don't think he would have been
Speaker 2: charged with anything, because I think that the law is
Speaker 2: so broad that the perception of violence is what you're covered. Basically,
Speaker 2: you're covered and you're okay, and people know that. The
Speaker 2: other issue, of course, with STANYR. Brown laws is not
Speaker 2: just the racial politics of this kind of issue of
Speaker 2: who gets shot, but it's also data repeatedly shows that
Speaker 2: when white Americans claim stand their ground privileges, they're exponentially
Speaker 2: more likely to be coded as justified killings, whereas when
Speaker 2: Black Americans say I felt threatened, they're coded as criminals,
Speaker 2: and so black people often are much more likely to
Speaker 2: get charged, convicted, go to jail, have their guns taken away,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and so, top to bottom, stand your
Speaker 2: Ground law are a disaster for our society, which is
Speaker 2: what we're seeing this week. But they're also just openly
Speaker 2: racist in their intent, in their execution literally and then
Speaker 2: in their aftermath.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a picture that was being circulated
Speaker 1: on social media, and I'm sure that you saw it.
Speaker 1: It was from the NRA convention, and it was a
Speaker 1: young white boy who maybe look like eight or nine
Speaker 1: years old, holding a handgun at the convention where you
Speaker 1: can buy all these guns and pointing it finger on
Speaker 1: the trigger. And I thought about this juxtaposition, Jonathan, between
Speaker 1: this white boy who is being brought to the NRA
Speaker 1: convention as a preteen being indoctrinated with gun culture. And
Speaker 1: then I think about the life of Ralph y'all and
Speaker 1: the fact that miraculously he's out of the hospital and
Speaker 1: is recovering. Thank God, right, because that was not the
Speaker 1: intent of the shooter, Andrew Lester when he pulled that trigger.
Speaker 1: And so I think about this dichotomy of America, right,
Speaker 1: how what black people are a threat by virtue of
Speaker 1: living inside of black skin, white kids holding a weapon
Speaker 1: is seen as patriotic. Do you see in any way
Speaker 1: where there is at least some type of awakening that
Speaker 1: white America has happened that is having. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about the seventy five million that voted for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the Maga hat wearing folks. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about some semblance of normal fencitting white people who
Speaker 1: are looking at this and saying, yeah, this can't be normal.
Speaker 1: It can't be normal to shoot through glass because somebody
Speaker 1: rang your doorbell and you weren't expecting them.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's important to note that many white
Speaker 2: people do think this is ridiculous, horrible, or horrific or unconscionable.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a question of needing a majority
Speaker 2: of white people to think this is wrong. We know
Speaker 2: that in Tennessee, for example, where I am, after the
Speaker 2: mass shooting we had in a school here, the numbers
Speaker 2: went up even higher for white and black Tennesseans who
Speaker 2: feel like we should get common sense gun laws, and
Speaker 2: also Republicans and Democrats who felt like we should get
Speaker 2: common sense gun laws. So the question is not about
Speaker 2: it's not about popular attitude, it's not about popular perception.
Speaker 2: This truly is an example we talk about minority rule
Speaker 2: as if it's just about governance, but this is industry
Speaker 2: control over politicians and politicians not having to answer for
Speaker 2: what's happening because of germandering, because of because of all
Speaker 2: these other factors, and so I just I think that,
Speaker 2: I just think that I just think that there there's
Speaker 2: a massive issue here with with with it's not popular opinion.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know people in Missouri. I know
Speaker 2: people in Missouri are horrified also, so.
Speaker 1: You know, so I want to transition from the case
Speaker 1: of Ralphie l which is just again, people have listened
Speaker 1: to me all week on the show, share my just
Speaker 1: emotions and feelings around this and all of the all
Speaker 1: of the racism, all of the implications, and again to
Speaker 1: your point with regard to people asking like was he racist,
Speaker 1: it doesn't fucking matter. What matters is that a sixteen
Speaker 1: year old boy could have lost his life because he
Speaker 1: went to go pick up his siblings and went to
Speaker 1: the wrong address. That you know. Moving forward through the week,
Speaker 1: another shooting that has been gaining attention is of Caitlin Ellis,
Speaker 1: who was in Upstate New York in a rural part
Speaker 1: of upstate New York, hit a car with her friends.
Speaker 1: She's a white woman in a car with a couple
Speaker 1: of her friends pull into the wrong driveway of a
Speaker 1: home that they're looking for. And I can tell you, friends,
Speaker 1: if you've ever been in upstate New York, that happens
Speaker 1: a lot, because the homes are far and few in between,
Speaker 1: and they're down dirt roads and what have you. And
Speaker 1: another man comes out and shoots into the car, killing
Speaker 1: Kaylen Ellis, a twenty year old white woman. And I
Speaker 1: mean Jonathan, when you saw that case now, and this
Speaker 1: man apparently has absolutely no remorse. I don't think it
Speaker 1: would matter if he did, because again, these people are
Speaker 1: pulling the trigger. They're not in fear for their life.
Speaker 1: Roberts don't ring doorbells, right like people accidentally pull into
Speaker 1: driveways all the time and have to make a U turn.
Speaker 1: The urge to grab a gun and then pointed inside
Speaker 1: of a car, killing people who were not charging you
Speaker 1: in any type of way, I don't understand. So what
Speaker 1: do you make of this case?
Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's the evidence is so clear
Speaker 2: that these standiard grand laws are not are not serving anybody.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's what part of the issue
Speaker 2: is that it is that you know, I keep thinking
Speaker 2: about these It's called the castle doctrine.
Speaker 1: Yes, the council.
Speaker 2: Doctrine was this thing that basically started with, you know,
Speaker 2: this idea that basically, if someone breaks into your house,
Speaker 2: you have a right to shoot and kill them. And
Speaker 2: we didn't used to think that you did because a
Speaker 2: lot of people would be like, no, that's when I
Speaker 2: that's when I should call the police. I should call
Speaker 2: the police at times like that, or or I should
Speaker 2: get help or something like that. But as guns became
Speaker 2: more and more and more uh prevalent and acceptable in
Speaker 2: all these factors, I would just say that, you know,
Speaker 2: accept what was called justifiable homicide broadened and broadened and broadened,
Speaker 2: and so people now feel like shooting first and asking
Speaker 2: questions later is what their protection is. And we're seeing
Speaker 2: this case in Texas where the cheerleader got into the
Speaker 2: based on upstate New York. And again, if the if
Speaker 2: the criteria is feel threatened. I felt threatened. If that's
Speaker 2: the criteria, then then you know people more often than
Speaker 2: not are going to get away with it.
Speaker 1: And so but in a society that is filled, that
Speaker 1: is that where we have have one political party and
Speaker 1: a television network that works over time to instill a
Speaker 1: sense of permanent fear right in it, to instill a
Speaker 1: sense of permanent feelings of threat and anxiety and fear
Speaker 1: of the other. Like there are there are no room
Speaker 1: for accidents right there. There are no there's no room
Speaker 1: for accidents in a society like that, because with one
Speaker 1: that where everyone has a gun on their hip, then
Speaker 1: it's immediately going to be like, oh, I go for
Speaker 1: the trigger. How does that? Like I just don't understand, Jonathan,
Speaker 1: how many of these headlines and depths on top of
Speaker 1: mass shootings, because now we're seeing what happens with all
Speaker 1: of these standard ground laws and castle doctrine and all
Speaker 1: of these things on top of the crazy, on top
Speaker 1: of like the mass shooting crisis that we have. How
Speaker 1: does this continue?
Speaker 2: I wish I had an answer. I study this. I
Speaker 2: can just say the frustrating part is it's not a
Speaker 2: question of popular opinion. Politicians who support the NRA. Like
Speaker 2: there was a split second we talked about it here
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, there was a split second
Speaker 2: where there might have to be some accountability. Member Governor
Speaker 2: Lee all of a sudden said, oh, yes, I support
Speaker 2: red flag laws. The reason he said that was because
Speaker 2: for a split second, but like he might get voted
Speaker 2: out of office for it. And so the way that
Speaker 2: this germandering has worked, people who support strong gun laws
Speaker 2: have no accountability whatsoever, zero accountability, and they're never going
Speaker 2: to get voted out of office. And so still until
Speaker 2: that calculus changes, there's just there's no downside except for
Speaker 2: dead people. For politicians to basically embrace the NRA as
Speaker 2: much as they want, and a lot of their constituents
Speaker 2: support them. But also because of the nature of germandering,
Speaker 2: the fact that eighty five percent people might support red
Speaker 2: flag laws, for example, is totally irrelevant because that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that eighty five percent of voters in a particular
Speaker 2: district are going to vote for politicians who don't support law.
Speaker 2: So there's no accountability electorally for what I think people
Speaker 2: want individion, and so I just think that that is
Speaker 2: the calculus that has to change. And then the other issue,
Speaker 2: in line with another massive and potentially catastrophic political story
Speaker 2: right now, is that it's also about having judges who
Speaker 2: do not continually uphold and just blind Second Amendment constitutionality
Speaker 2: as they define it. And that's important because the Democrats
Speaker 2: are at a deficit for these kind of judges, and
Speaker 2: the committee that appoints the judges that might level the
Speaker 2: playing field is now being held hostage by Shingles and
Speaker 2: Diane Feinstein and all that stuff. And so it's just,
Speaker 2: you know, I just think that we have popular opinion
Speaker 2: on our side, but we don't have politics on our sides.
Speaker 1: Let's look at this for a minute, in terms of
Speaker 1: the charges that have come out for the case in
Speaker 1: Missouri on the attempt. What I will would say is
Speaker 1: an attempted murder of Ralph Yarl, but that's not what
Speaker 1: he's being charged with. In upstate New York, the man
Speaker 1: is being charged with I think it is second second
Speaker 1: degree murder because she did die. Do you think then
Speaker 1: that within the criminal system, the arrest, prosecution, and hopefully
Speaker 1: guilty charges for these individuals that are trigger happy would
Speaker 1: then unintended trigger new laws on the books, or at
Speaker 1: least create a deterrent for people to shoot first and
Speaker 1: ask questions later. Is what responsibility, then, does the judiciary
Speaker 1: have in holding people accountable for literally killing their neighbors.
Speaker 2: None? I mean, what would change the needle? I mean,
Speaker 2: I personally think we have to get rid of red
Speaker 2: flag laws. I mean I get rid of I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: get rid of Sandyr ground laws. I think stanyr Grand
Speaker 2: laws are a total disaster. But right now there's there's.
Speaker 1: No how many states have Staniel ground laws over half now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, it's not just you can shoot if
Speaker 2: you feel threatened. It's also where that happens has been
Speaker 2: dramatically expanded. So it used to just be in somebody
Speaker 2: breaks into your home, which I guess you could probably
Speaker 2: understand then, but now because it's we have all this
Speaker 2: public carry, it's also if you little threatened in public,
Speaker 2: if you feel threatened in your car, if you feel threatened,
Speaker 2: it's like green eggs and am on a boat, in
Speaker 2: a plane, on a train, whatever. And so it's just
Speaker 2: it's just beyond absurd honestly right now. So Jonathan, let
Speaker 2: me just say, Daniel, I'm not trying to talk around
Speaker 2: in circles. You can hear the exhaustion of my voice.
Speaker 1: No, I I we talk about this every week, John,
Speaker 1: that we've been talking about this every week for a
Speaker 1: couple of years now, and it just but what what
Speaker 1: it feels like to me is that in the years
Speaker 1: that we have been in conversation with each other that
Speaker 1: there has been and I don't you tell me. Is
Speaker 1: it an escalation or is it just more coverage of
Speaker 1: it or is it both?
Speaker 2: I think there's I mean, obviously there's more shooting. There's
Speaker 2: definitely more shooting, for sure. Uh, I mean there's absolutely
Speaker 2: more shooting. There's laws that permit more shooting, and there
Speaker 2: are more guns. I don't know, I mean, dying of whiteness.
Speaker 2: I had this all this stuff about how Missouri used
Speaker 2: to have some of the more responsible gun laws in
Speaker 2: the country until two thousand and eight, there used to
Speaker 2: be a permit process in Missouri. So I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's not that long ago that we knew the right
Speaker 2: answer to this. I mean, if you had a gun
Speaker 2: in Missouri, you had to register with the sheriff and
Speaker 2: get a background check and do all this stuff. But again,
Speaker 2: it's it's not a question of popular opinion, it's a
Speaker 2: question of voting blocks and judges. That's where the that's
Speaker 2: where the attention should be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I will say this that from the road
Speaker 1: raid shooting incident that happened in Florida that I believe
Speaker 1: like critically injured or took the life of one of
Speaker 1: the children that were in the car, both of them,
Speaker 1: both of the both of the shooters had had had
Speaker 1: kids in the car, which is just like absolutely fucking
Speaker 1: insane to me. The you know, accidental doorbell ringing that
Speaker 1: has obvious racist implications, the accidental getting into the wrong
Speaker 1: car now ends a cheerleader in Texas you know, critically
Speaker 1: injured and is in ICU fighting for her life, and
Speaker 1: kaylen Ellis is dead. All of this has happened just
Speaker 1: in the last couple of weeks, like I think maybe
Speaker 1: two or three, on top of the mass shooting at
Speaker 1: the bank in Kentucky, the mass shooting in Tennessee. Like
Speaker 1: I just I don't know how we're supposed to continue
Speaker 1: to live like this. And what I see, and this
Speaker 1: is the last question for you, what I see with
Speaker 1: Generation Z. Again with the walkout at Ralph Yarl's School.
Speaker 1: You know, a couple thousand kids walked out in protest,
Speaker 1: you know, chanting signs and you know, sending their love
Speaker 1: to him, but like, you know, stop with the guns.
Speaker 1: And so what do you think the effects from Tennessee
Speaker 1: to Missouri with Generation Z? What is the difference if any,
Speaker 1: that you were seeing with this generation and others, because
Speaker 1: again this is the first generation that has grown up
Speaker 1: with mass shooting, school shootings, and this just proliferation of guns.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that they're going to the
Speaker 2: new generation is not going to stand for it, and
Speaker 2: so I think the NRA is racing against time. But
Speaker 2: again I think the next generation because again like in Nashville,
Speaker 2: for example, there was a like four or five mile
Speaker 2: human chain of students on Tuesday from Vanderbilt Children's Hospital,
Speaker 2: which is where the victims of the mass shooting were
Speaker 2: taken to this Tennessee courthouse. You know, kids are pissed, right,
Speaker 2: they don't want to go to school and be afraid.
Speaker 2: But I would say that they you know, again, they're
Speaker 2: going to face the same hurdle, which is if they
Speaker 2: think it's just protest and popular opinion, they're going to
Speaker 2: they're going to be disappointed, right because the the just
Speaker 2: the same issues of the judiciary, power, things like that.
Speaker 2: So we I'm encouraged because the new generation of activists
Speaker 2: are much more politically savvy than kind of we were
Speaker 2: where we thought just protesting and changing people's hearts and
Speaker 2: minds was enough. So I'm optimistic about the future. But again,
Speaker 2: I just think right now, like we just have to
Speaker 2: think much more strategicly, Like if they if we're going
Speaker 2: to push Clarence Thomas out of the Supreme Court, let's
Speaker 2: make sure he's not replaced by somebody who's twenty years
Speaker 2: old and supports the NRA. You know, I mean, we
Speaker 2: have to we have to kind of think long term.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what a what a what a concept? As always,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Metsell, thank you so much. For making the time
Speaker 1: to join us on wokayf and trying to make sense
Speaker 1: of I don't know this, uh, this ship that we're
Speaker 1: living in. That's all I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Puppies.
Speaker 1: We say that every week and we'll be to talk.
Speaker 2: About that next week.
Speaker 1: Thank you friend. That is it for me today. Dear
Speaker 1: friends on wokey f as always, power to the people
Speaker 1: and to all the people. Power, get woke and stay
Speaker 1: woke as fuck.