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Speaker 1: Yeah, that once out here, the stakes are real. Effective

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Speaker 1: preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more.

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Speaker 1: This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed

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Speaker 1: Rich Broning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've

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Speaker 1: This is In Pursuit brought to you by Mount Knocks

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Speaker 1: in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt all Right, Spike Camp, Jeffrey Dodds,

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Speaker 1: Angelo to Chicho, and myself.

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Speaker 3: The Chilo.

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Speaker 1: You like that, the Chico. It's Italian for Gila. All right,

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Speaker 1: overall episode how to Pace a Hunt, How to pace

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Speaker 1: a Western Hunt. Jeff's got some notes, some stuff we're

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Speaker 1: Yep, you got Montana's, but put theirs out. Put Colorado's out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mountain ups? Are you cooking a real meal? Do

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Speaker 1: One of those meals, so those are awesome. But and

437
00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: just having a hot meal can bring you back for

438
00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, like eating a sandwich, eating a bar, eating

439
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 1: fruit or whatever, just sing or whatever. But but having

440
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,080
Speaker 1: a warm meal at night or when you get us

441
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:34,680
Speaker 1: sit down time or if it's cold.

442
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but every time I

443
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 3: go through like the can or the granola bar section

444
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 3: of a of a grocery store, I just cring. I'm

445
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,679
Speaker 3: burnt out on that one. I'm burnt out on that one.

446
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to like you have to keep it

447
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,640
Speaker 2: on a rotation three years. I can't eat that one.

448
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: For you know.

449
00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 3: I ad to nature valley bars.

450
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 2: Uh, what you were something that I can eat trash?

451
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 2: I don't care what you're saying about the hot meal

452
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 2: is is true, and this is this isn't necessarily about

453
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess this does tie into this.

454
00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 2: There are just like a few things that I try

455
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: to get me back, that I try to do to

456
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,400
Speaker 2: get me back to baseline. So like a hot meal

457
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,480
Speaker 2: can do it, teeth can it? Bringing like wet wipes

458
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,919
Speaker 2: and wiping my body down just a little bit can

459
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,600
Speaker 2: bring me back to it. Like there's just these simple

460
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:27,399
Speaker 2: like human creature comforts or like having like a nice pillow,

461
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,119
Speaker 2: like something very simple that just like makes it not

462
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,119
Speaker 2: feel like you're absolutely in hell when we're you know,

463
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 2: when we're talking about getting deep into a hunt. I

464
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: think it's important because I am Me and Jeff have

465
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 2: hunted together now twice. I am very negative. Rich is

466
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,320
Speaker 2: very similar to me too, very negative period be in

467
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 2: the middle.

468
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,119
Speaker 1: I can be persuaded by whoever I'm with.

469
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 2: I'm very negative. So if I like, if I know

470
00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna go back to camp and there's going

471
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 2: to be a me that is hot, that might be

472
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: just enough to keep me on my feet all day, right,

473
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: and I don't need a lot, but just like one

474
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: thing to get me to not be so negative is good.

475
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: So I'm sure there's more people like me. So like

476
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: that does tie into like wanting to be out there,

477
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 2: continuing to want to be out there, and continuing to

478
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: push while you're out there, if you have something to

479
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: look forward to, and maybe it is just a peanut

480
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 2: butter and jelly, like it could be something simple. It

481
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 2: doesn't need to be something crazy.

482
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 3: We'll go in depth on a nutrition podcast too soon,

483
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 3: just like how to actually prepare nutrition wise. But that's

484
00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 3: actually a good segue to the next section of knowing

485
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 3: your hunting partners fitness as well.

486
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 1: True with your hunting partners totally.

487
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 3: That's obviously that's best case scenario.

488
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: You can be or even virtually, I mean, we had

489
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: a group for a while before we kicked you off,

490
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: before you went and slept with the enemy.

491
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: You can't serve two masters.

492
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 1: Still the screenshot where we still want motivation, where we

493
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: still where we would send workouts, share workouts. Yeah, like, hey,

494
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. We're all we're all technically

495
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: going on a hunt together in a couple of weeks

496
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: or whatever. We'll share the workout that we did or

497
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: give times on the workout that we did.

498
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean being in person training with somebody is great.

499
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 2: Second best that would be texting with somebody and go

500
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: having that virtual conversation of going back and forth doing

501
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: the same workouts. You know, Hey, there would be a program.

502
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: There's a program you can follow.

503
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

504
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys can share a place for you to

505
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 2: do it in there. Hey, I'm just saying playbook. Yeah,

506
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 2: there'll be linking description. We got that part handled. You

507
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: just find a partner to do with. Yeah, you're texting

508
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: with a friend. We I mean we say it all

509
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: the time about like having friendzy hunt with you, work

510
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: out with it will make anything a lot easier, It

511
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: will make it a lot more fun, will make you

512
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: the accountability is second to none, like having somebody that

513
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: you know, even if you don't both don't want to

514
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 2: work out, Yeah you can go. I've said, I think

515
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: I've said this story. My dad literally told me this.

516
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 2: I didn't have to say anything to him. He said, yeah,

517
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: like I used to work out this guy when I

518
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: was like twenties, my twenties or thirties or whatever. He's like, dude,

519
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: I did not want to work out at five am,

520
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 2: but like he was there, so I went. And he said,

521
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: after a while, they both I mean, I think they

522
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 2: just got busy, but like they both had said that

523
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here, you don't want to

524
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: be here, but they just show up because they're both

525
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: gonna be there, so they just show up. And I mean,

526
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 2: so that's like that's an age old truth. It's not

527
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 2: just us saying that like that will happen.

528
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: But talking about like in a hunting scenario, right, if

529
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 3: you bury your buddy, it's just it's not a good

530
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 3: look like you're probably I don't know, it's just not

531
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 3: a it's not gonna be fun. Yeah, totally for that person.

532
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 2: Well down, not for you either too.

533
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: They're gonna be mad at you.

534
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so understand. You know, maybe you're a

535
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 3: little bit fitter than or a little less fit. Like

536
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: I always think about like if I'm hunting in a group,

537
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: or I'm hunting with a partner and I'm the slower one,

538
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: or they're the slower one, whoever's the slower one leads

539
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 3: the pace. Yeah, sets the pace. So it's not like

540
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 3: they're chasing the tail or. You know, you look up

541
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: in your five which backs above them.

542
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: You know what the real problem with that is that

543
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: the male ego. Oh for sure, you don't want to

544
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: be that Yeah, you don't want to be that guy,

545
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: and you don't have to be that guy, but you

546
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 2: have to be Like if if I'm hunting with Rich,

547
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: I know I am that guy, Like I don't have

548
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 2: that ego, I know that I am that guy. Just

549
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: like drop the ego, have the have the conversation. You

550
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: guys will both have a better time if you do.

551
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,719
Speaker 2: If I know I'm the if I know I might

552
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: be fitter. If I know I might be a slower one.

553
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: They're not gonna bite your head off. Most likely they're

554
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: your friend.

555
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, all right, unless we're going after

556
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: something that we can see. Yeah, that's different at that

557
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: point because you didn't do anything.

558
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: That is way different if you're saying you're putting the

559
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: work in and you're not, and then you show up

560
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: on game day and you're huffing and puffing the you.

561
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 2: Know, like, all right, man, let's do it. Let's do

562
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: ten miles today, and you're like they three in You're like,

563
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 2: where is he that?

564
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: Uh?

565
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: Another good segue is I don't know about you guys

566
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 3: and your experience, but it the for me, the first

567
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 3: thirty minutes of any hike is the.

568
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Worst, the worst. Yeah, yeah, you're you're not warmed up

569
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: the warm up. Yeah. We actually had a guy what

570
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: we were on last year was no actually with one

571
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: raised where he was like, is there any way not

572
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: to make the first thirty minutes of a like any

573
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: any hike back And I was like, no, dude, it's

574
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: just your warm up. You know. Anytime I even hop

575
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: on a bike in here, you know, warming up for

576
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: a workout. I'm like, oh, I don't want to work

577
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: out today, and then you know, ten fifteen minutes in,

578
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh okay, I'm back.

579
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you can kind of like, oh no, we did

580
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: this study. This is weird how you were in a study.

581
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: I was a subject of the study. It's really interesting

582
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: that this was just with a cross oft workout. It

583
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: can be with anything, though. What we're saying that thirty

584
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: minutes you are it feels like the hardest because you

585
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: were heart your heart, it wasn't up. But then you

586
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: get to this point and for a long time you

587
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 2: can level off at that at that point, so when

588
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: you this is what I tell myself, Once I get

589
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 2: up to that comfortable pace, Yeah, then you just settle

590
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: out and it's like it doesn't really get much worse

591
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: than that. You're so just know that thirty Yeah, know

592
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: that first thirty minutes is gonna be is gonna suck.

593
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 2: But after that thirty minutes you're you're like, I can

594
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: just keep doing this, right, Like you kind of settle

595
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: into a mindset and a and a and a pace

596
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: that you're like, I can just put in some type

597
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: of yeah that.

598
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, also a lot I see a lot of guys

599
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: quit in that first thirty minutes mentally, just like, dude,

600
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 3: if this is already that hardy, why do you think

601
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: I can do this for four or five days. It's

602
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 3: not like it does get better.

603
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: You have to tell yourself this, I'm gonna get through this,

604
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: and it's gonna it's gonna be uncomfortable, and then I'm

605
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 2: just gonna kind of sit in it. But however, fine.

606
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: On the flip side of that, you're like day zero,

607
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: day one, you're excited, you're fired up, You're gonna start

608
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: crushing these hills. You have to pace yours like you

609
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: have to understand what threshold is going to be sustainable

610
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: for that four or five six day window, however long

611
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: you have allocated to hunt.

612
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 2: It's the feet. It's the feet and the knees.

613
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: For me, it's like if you're not side hill and

614
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: my feet are fine. If you're side healing. That first

615
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: couple of years in Gunnison, it felt like you know

616
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: when you buy pizza and like it just comes out

617
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: of the oven and you go to pull piece, so

618
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: he just slides off. That's what the bottom of my

619
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: feet felt like.

620
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's come from you training and basically

621
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: the shoes you're going to be hiking in that helps

622
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: you don't have to train all the time. And your

623
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 2: hiking boots should train some Uh, to know that they're

624
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: going We've talked about that a bunch, but like to

625
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: know that they're going to work for you, but that

626
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: you're the feet in the knees. Manage the feet in

627
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: the knees, and I think you are in like a

628
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: hard back here in a pack. But yeah, they'll heart rate.

629
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: But like for i'd say muscle or joint pain, which

630
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: is probably gonna limit most guys. Is the probably the

631
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 2: muscle pain of their feet and or the joint pain

632
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: of their knees is gonna want to limit you.

633
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm on the joint pain side.

634
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: The sidehilling that I told Jeff that downhill, it's the

635
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: downhill on my knees. It's not the uphill, it's not

636
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: the side hill. It's the freaking downhill we're doing on

637
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: loose rock, and I'm like, dude, I can't keep doing this.

638
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 2: It sucks.

639
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: Yep.

640
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: So those are the things I think you're thinking about

641
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: when we're talking about conditioning and when we're talking about pacing.

642
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Those first few days. If your feet are absolutely killing

643
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: you after two hours, just stop for a few minutes.

644
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: You those few minutes are going to pay off way

645
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: more later on down the week than if you try

646
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: to push through them.

647
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: You get blisters. Yeah, you can get hotspots that turn

648
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 3: into blisters, and then you are hurting every single step.

649
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: That's just a recipe for you wanting to leave early.

650
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: Because you can. You can almost feather that red line.

651
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: You can keep just like as you I think about

652
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: this a lot, even with cross of it or whatever.

653
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: I feather that red line and then I rest. And

654
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: then when I feel like I'm feathering the red line,

655
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: because once you dip past the red line for a second,

656
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: you ain't really coming back down. It's gonna take a

657
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: long time for that ticker to come back down totally.

658
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: You feather it, it'll drop. You feather it, it'll drop.

659
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: You go too far, you're kind of screwed for a while, right,

660
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: and and then you you develop blisters. If you just

661
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: rest your feet for a second, you may not develop

662
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: any blisters, right, But if you push just ten twenty

663
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: minutes farther, now you have a blister. Now you're feeling

664
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: all weak.

665
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: Yep, it ain't going away, and in a I guess

666
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: a good scenario, I wouldn't take notes from us while

667
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: we were in Gunnison. But usually yeah, yeah, Usually you're

668
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: going to a glassing knob or you know, a place

669
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: that you're not hiking all the time, right, a glassing

670
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: knob or a spot that you want to sit and

671
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: listen for bugles, anything like that. So understand like, Okay,

672
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 3: my boy is gonna be forty five minutes, but then

673
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: I'll probably be hanging out for a couple hours. That's

674
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: when layering systems really come in because you're gonna get hot.

675
00:29:59,200 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: What is it?

676
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: Just say it just start cold, Michael Scott, it is

677
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: that's Is that where you Is that where you're headed?

678
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: Well, I mean no, not really, but like I mean,

679
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to like encourage these guys that you know,

680
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: thirty forty five minutes in you're probably gonna be resting.

681
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: You're gonna get to that spot where you're gonna be

682
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: able to cool down your heart rate.

683
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what But what I'm what I think about

684
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: if I'm doing something like that is I I mean,

685
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: this is even for white tail hunting because and that

686
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: actually is very true white.

687
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I actually wait more for white tail.

688
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you are going it's cold, it's very cold usually,

689
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: and you are like for me, when I was in

690
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Illinois this year, I'm I'm I was hiking like a

691
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: mile where I was going. I hiked like a mile

692
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: in and I had to set up my my stand everything,

693
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: and I'm carrying I'm carrying my like actual cameo. I'm

694
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: wearing next to nothing out there because I mean it's

695
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: only it's like forty or forty five degrees. But I'm

696
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: wearing next to nothing because I know I'm gonna be

697
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: working for an hour to too possibly and then I'm

698
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: gonna get freezing cold because I'm gonna get sweaty. There's

699
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: no way around that. I'm gonna get sweaty, and I

700
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: don't want to get extra sweatas I'm wearing too many

701
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: layers and I don't want to get those layers wet.

702
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: I see you have that on here. It's true. I

703
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: don't want to get those wet because if I have,

704
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: I do this and this is weird. I bring a

705
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: second pair of socks out. I will do all this work.

706
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: I'll hike and I'll set my tree stand up in

707
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: thin socks, just regular socks, And as soon as everything's

708
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: set up, I take those socks off and I put

709
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: on my nice socks and the rest of the sit

710
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: is so nice. It is so nice. So, yes, the sweat.

711
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 2: You think your boots. If you're like me, you think

712
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: your boots aren't warm enough, they probably are. It's because

713
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: and they're not too warm. Some people say they're too warm. No,

714
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: you've sweat through your socks and now they're getting cold

715
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: because they were wet. So find a way to not

716
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: get wet is the best thing. Or have a system

717
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: like I do. If you do get wet, what are

718
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: you going to do? If you get sweaty slash wet

719
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: and then you don't want to get cold, how are

720
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: you going to manage that?

721
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? The very literally the very first hunt Steven, my father,

722
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: Stephen Gadbury and I ever went on like day one.

723
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: We I wake up early and like we're starting to

724
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: hike and he's in his like he's got a down

725
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: jacket on a fleece underneath, and I'm like, dude, trust me,

726
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna want to take that off. Yeah, it was

727
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: no man, I'm freezing like this is you know, a guy.

728
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: He's lived in Arkansas his whole life. He hasn't even

729
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: been below forty degrees, and it's obviously it gets warm

730
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: up with it. Like, dude, trust me, you're gonna want

731
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: to take off those classes. He goes, no, I'm not like,

732
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 3: let's just start hiking. I'm like, okay, I'm not kidding you.

733
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: Within thirty minutes, he was in his underwear jumping into

734
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: a creek, completely drenched himself into a creek.

735
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: He was so hot.

736
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: I'm serious. That is it really is good advice, is

737
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: still but as it is b bold, start cold, yeah

738
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: is uh, it's it's a great. It's great advice because,

739
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: like you just said, you most likely the morning hike

740
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: is not that far. If you're going to a glass knob,

741
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: that's kind of the goal. Get up there and then

742
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna sit. We're gonna sit till daylight, maybe an

743
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: hour past daylight, see what's moving, and then make your

744
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: play from there. Uh, so you're gonna you can get there,

745
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: then throw that hoodie on or whatever it is while

746
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: you're sitting there and take it off. By that time,

747
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,959
Speaker 2: it will be warmed out, the sun will be up,

748
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: and then things will be warm most likely depending on

749
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: the time of season. Obviously, if you're in like late season,

750
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: it's different, but similar similar things will apply, as in

751
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: you will start colder and then put on layers and

752
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: then probably take those layers off again to get moving again.

753
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, especially learn this lesson as the camera guy

754
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: on a lot of hunts because as the camera guy

755
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: you obviously want to be low key as possible. Not there, yeah, exactly.

756
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: And so if you're like halfway into a hike and

757
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: you're like, oh crap, I have to take my backpack off,

758
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: my bino harness off to d layer and put everything

759
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: back on, your hunter is not gonna want to wait

760
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: for true, And so when I'm starting to hike, I'm

761
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: dang near and nothing as well.

762
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And then you usually are like, ah, this

763
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: is fine. Yeah maybe, and then by the end of

764
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: the day you're like, maybe I could add one more layer,

765
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: but probably still you're like I'm good, totally.

766
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: Smooth as fast. That's pretty obvious. It's overstated, probably, but

767
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: it's pretty true, you know, talking about some of these

768
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: where your hunts get blown up. It happened to Billings

769
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: one we went our first hunt in Montana he got

770
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: blown up on.

771
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: The first day and did he t stand how the

772
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: rest of the week.

773
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: Tree Stand hunted for the next the next afternoon and

774
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: then the full next day, and he was the only

775
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: one that saw elk.

776
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: So wow, oh there you go.

777
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't his eye wasn't as trained,

778
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: and he wasn't sure if it was a legal bull.

779
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: Sounds like it was, didn't You say he has some

780
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: like hat gauge that you use with Oh.

781
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hat gauge. Whichever. When they we're hunting together,

782
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: if his hat goes here, you know, he's starting to

783
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: get kind of hot. It goes here, how is Yep,

784
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: it's a good gage. That's knowing your partner and knowing

785
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: your teammate. Yeah, and then you know, don't blow up

786
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: before the pack out, because that's when it really gets hard.

787
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I mean how many times this so cliche?

788
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: You guys know what I'm about to say. The hunt

789
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: doesn't start until the package doesn't start. Now the bull's

790
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: down to work starts now. Yeah, it is cliche. But

791
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: then there's cliche for a reason, like people say, for

792
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: a reason because it's true, Like the real work, I hey,

793
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: I actually, I don't know. You guys tell me, yeah,

794
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: you've never packed, I don't know.

795
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: It sucks, dude. I've been on some hard packouts and

796
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: then I've been on some like hey, the trails just

797
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: right over there, yeah, by side there, So that's yeah.

798
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: Usually you're taking the path of these resistance, but a

799
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: lot of times the released resistance is still a lot

800
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 3: of resistance.

801
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: What's gonna be fun? As we're talking through these things

802
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking about hunt camp, is like, guys, are

803
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: gonna know what if free day hunt feels like because

804
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: we are fitness in the morning and be like getting

805
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: up to your spot. Then yeah, and then we're gonna

806
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: have kind of two involved breakout sessions where there's gonna

807
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: be some hiking and walking in the afternoons, we're gonna

808
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: do some mock backouts yea. And so you're gonna feel

809
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 1: what I feel like for about a three day hunt

810
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: and you'll know that, hey, three day hunt, this is

811
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: how hard I need to push? Or a five day hunt,

812
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: what's it gonna feel like in day three? So yeah,

813
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really a lot of there's

814
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of knowledge gained. I think through

815
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: for sure.

816
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: Four days or three especially too for this point of like,

817
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: don't blow up before the before the pack out. A

818
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 3: lot of the times you're mentally giving up before the

819
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 3: approach of to the bull even starts. I know obviously

820
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 3: on this table, probably not the case.

821
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: It's an emotional freaking roller coach totally.

822
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: You see a bull and you're just like a you know,

823
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 3: the wind's not right. You know, he's in that next

824
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: little ridge over. I probably can't get to him in time.

825
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 3: That's because you're you're gased, you're smoked, your you're four

826
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: days in you know. So that's what I kind of

827
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: meant when I threw in that note, is like you're

828
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: you're mentally like doing the calculation and you're already beating yourself. Yeah, exactly,

829
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: So you're trying to hype yourself up for that moment

830
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: to even get into that moment.

831
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all physical. You can't prepare yourself for

832
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 1: the mental and emotional highs and lows and nope, and

833
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: it just drains your nervous system more than and so

834
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: once again that's where all this fitness and prep were

835
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: out of season or leading into is crucial because physically

836
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard no matter what. But mentally and

837
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: emotionally and and once again, first world problems within reason whatever,

838
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: but we are not made to do that regularly, or

839
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: haven't done that regularly for a year. And then the

840
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: emotional toll it takes of like the hope of like

841
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: oh this, you know, this dark timber or something.

842
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: That's it.

843
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: That's then then you get through the dark timber and nothing,

844
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: and then you're like the feet and they're like, oh

845
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: more dark timber. All right, we're gonna go kind.

846
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 3: Of slow, sign yeph.

847
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: And it's just such an emotional role. And then that

848
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: doesn't even count if you get in a situation yeah,

849
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: and you're about to draw or you do draw and

850
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: and something happens and then it's gone again. And so

851
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: the like the the endorphins and all that, it is

852
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: real and takes a toll on your nervous system.

853
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: So is the more.

854
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: Prepared you can be and have more fall back things

855
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: or more things saying creature comforts or you know, fresh

856
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: pair of socks, whatever it is to bring you back,

857
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: have it ready because you're gonna need it, and you're

858
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: gonna need three or four of them.

859
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: If it's the if it's the now gene full YETI

860
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: mode yep, that's what it is. That that might be

861
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: literally what it is. Or if you you stash a

862
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: you stash a peanut bur and jelly, you stash an

863
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: energy drink or something you find or.

864
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Just make peanut burr and jelly than before and you

865
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: couldn't eat it until after the like walk out at night,

866
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: so it's nice and soggy. It was like, I still,

867
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: you know what?

868
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 2: Would you know? What will mentally and emotionally prep you

869
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: for any hunt? White tail hunting in Tennessee. Hunting in

870
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: Tennessee will make you will absolutely either ruin you emotionally

871
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: or have you will be you will have the heart

872
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: like the I don't know the heart of a line,

873
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: I guess is what I was. What I have to say,

874
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: you will be pushed through. Maybe this year a little different,

875
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: but the emotional and mental roller coaster that I go

876
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: through white tail hunting here is absolutely it needs to

877
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: be studied. It needs to be studied.

878
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: It does because I get the texts and I'm bro

879
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: I will I'm serious, He's quit hunting.

880
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 2: Then like that.

881
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: Hunting for he said multiple times last year I'm done

882
00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year.

883
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm done. I mean, I'm no that.

884
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: Afternoon, it'd be like that morning, like and dead serious, You're.

885
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: Like, he's dead your boat selling your guns.

886
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm done. I hate this. I'm done hunting, like

887
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm quitting. And then I'll get then I'll.

888
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Text, I'm like, hey were doing for training? I'm in

889
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the stand.

890
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: It's insane.

891
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: It's insane. What it does to me. What's going on

892
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: in my brain has got to be studied, right because

893
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: by by ten thirty in the morning, I have quit hunting.

894
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: I've quitted, I've started, I put my camera on marketplace,

895
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: I've I've given my boat to the next guy, you know,

896
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: down the road, and by three o'clock I'm in the

897
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: stand again.

898
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: That's hilarious. Let me ask you as a question, when,

899
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: like you guys do that twenty four round. We just

900
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: got done with the twelve hour bike. When it starts

901
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: to suck in the honeymoon phase of you know, the

902
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: coolness of it, like where does your where does your

903
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: mind go? I was reminded, I was reminded of this

904
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: past twelve hour bike where my mind actually went. And

905
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: it's the same exact place my mind goes during a

906
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: hard hunt. Where does your guys mind go if you're

907
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: willing to share it?

908
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: Honestly, the twelve hour does not take me there because

909
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm at my house. I'm not like, sure, it's hard,

910
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm more of it used that for a training. The

911
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: hard part for me is being away from the kids

912
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: and my wife, where I'm like, man, am I out here? Really?

913
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: Is this doing anything? You know? Like, am I actually

914
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: you know what? Am I contributing to my family? Yeah? Yeah,

915
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: But I know that on the other side, I'm gonna

916
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: be better off more mentally, Like you know, the absence

917
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: makes the heart grow fund retreat and it's not a

918
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: retreat where I'm going out and getting you know, a

919
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: bachelor party with my buddies. It's like kind of the opposite.

920
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 3: You're sitting against to a tree looking at it, you know,

921
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 3: into a meadow with absolutely nothing around.

922
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: There's probably nothing going to be in that meadow ever,

923
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think, man, I think it's

924
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: just you look at all, right, I know that in

925
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: this moment and it's gonna suck, But I'm gonna look

926
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: back on this and be like that was pretty awesome.

927
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's that's good.

928
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: That's probably trying to get your mind in the right

929
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: place of like, hey, I this is a this is

930
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: a benefit, Like a lot of people don't get to

931
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: do this. Yeah, this is something that like I do

932
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: enjoy this.

933
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: It is suck in the.

934
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Moment, like sometimes I'm like why do I do this? Sucks?

935
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I get done on my that's true.

936
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: Like even that twenty four hour run, You're like that

937
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: was Yeah, that was mean, but it is true. But

938
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: that's it's still that's kind of like I guess that

939
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: what does keep me going is like, dude, this is

940
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: pretty cool that I can just do this. I didn't

941
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: train all that much. You didn't train all that much.

942
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: We just kind of went out there and like we

943
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: just do cross. You can just like yeah, keep moving

944
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: for twenty four hours and still keep up a jog

945
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: at most At most points, yeah.

946
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: I know when I get to that mental point and

947
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 3: I know, like I'm an optimist, like when I'm like yeah, yeah,

948
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: I when I'm getting to that mentally low spot, either

949
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: a hunt or a hard effort, I'm I'm I always

950
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: tell myself, like, man, my life, I'm so blessed. If

951
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 3: this is the least of my concer this is if

952
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: this is gonna end exactly, this is this is my

953
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: problem that I'm dealing with right now. Oh it's a

954
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: little hard, like man, And I'm not saying like, oh,

955
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm I have this great life. I'm just I'm thankful.

956
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think and mentally it's that's a good

957
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: place to be and be like, all right, man, I'm

958
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: like I get to do this.

959
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: This is school totally.

960
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: This is an adventure. Most people look forward to me.

961
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: This does suck in the moment, but it is almost

962
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: like good that I get to do things that are

963
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 1: hard right where it's you know, I could you know,

964
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that came up, but it

965
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know, people that get knee replacements because

966
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: they're sitting on the couch all the time their joints

967
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: go stiff or whatever, or just because they're morbidly obese.

968
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll probably need a knee replacement soon, but

969
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: I've used the crap out of that knee. It's not

970
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: from lack of use. It's more of like, you know,

971
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: probably push it a little too hard at times. Yeah,

972
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: that's like a privilege as that sounds like you know,

973
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: some people are like, oh I get and like sit

974
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: on the couch for six or eight weeks after I

975
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: have a kne replacement, Like that's not That's like I'm like,

976
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: how do I get back to do what I want

977
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: to do as fast as I can?

978
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 3: Maybe the question is would you trade those memories of

979
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: those adventures that you were able to obtain with that

980
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 3: knee and you still have a good knee. I don't

981
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: think you would. Hell, yeah, that's a that's a great

982
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: spot to be. And I'm always trying to like we

983
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: talked about this previously on the text streetcap, but I'm

984
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: always trying to give myself a reason to not give

985
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: myself an option to start mentally quitting.

986
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

987
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like one more ridge, one more treat, one more timber,

988
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: you know, like, Okay, this this creek bottom was dried up.

989
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: Where did the water go? Okay, it's at this creek.

990
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 3: Therefore they have to be getting water there, even though

991
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 3: it's probably just made up in your head. You have

992
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: that like five more percent in your capacity now because

993
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 3: you've told yourself, oh, this is going to work.

994
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: Like if we I guess it's true because if we

995
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 2: would have had two or three more days to look

996
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: for that access year, I would have done it. Like

997
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: I I wouldn't have just stopped because I didn't want to.

998
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: Like the part of me is still playing those games, like, oh,

999
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: when you look on the map, he's kind of going

1000
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: that way, you might as well try exactly. And then

1001
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: you're like, I wasn't there. Yeah, it gets just a

1002
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: little bit of hope. That's I mean, that's and that's

1003
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: again that's the emotional that's obviously.

1004
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: That's a wounded animal. Obviously it's a different roller coaster.

1005
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously we're even if you're looking for an animal.

1006
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: You're looking for a legal animal to potentially kill. Yeah, yeah,

1007
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 3: you have to get go into the woodworks to find

1008
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: some some mental juice there. Yeah, cool, right, awesome, the

1009
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: good one.

1010
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, li'st no comments. What topics she want us to

1011
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: tackle next?

1012
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: Yep, check out that rope program yea and the first first,

1013
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: first pursuit, first pursuit.

1014
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 1: Ye just think an initial assent, initial pursuit first.

1015
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went with all the we went and named

1016
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: everything pursue with under pursuit. As we're training for training

1017
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: for the pursuit, the pursuit, the pursuit of anything you

1018
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: would like I wrote on this, the classic.

1019
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 3: Alright yeah

1020
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: Hm,