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Speaker 1: Y'all. Tonight, we are joined by Steph Watts, the true

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Speaker 1: crime O g Honey. Steph launched his career at Court TV,

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Speaker 1: producing live and tape national trial coverage. Steph and I

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Speaker 1: now we first met on Nancy Gracie's show when she

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Speaker 1: was on hl N in about twenty ten. And I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you he was out of the gate, just a

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Speaker 1: News The On the Record with Greta Vancestram. Y'all know,

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Speaker 1: he's worked as an investigative journalist and he's been on

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Speaker 1: Investigation Discovery, CNN, Fox News, CBS, and Ox Jim. He

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Speaker 1: has done things like a special correspondent for the syndicated

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Speaker 1: crime TV show Crime Watch Daily. He has been an

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Speaker 1: executive producer. He's developed multi hour specials for ABC twenty

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Speaker 1: executive producer Dick Woolf for A and E. He is

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Speaker 1: all over the place. He's been all over the place.

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Speaker 1: That's why we call him the OG. He is also

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Speaker 1: a fierce advocate for murdered and missing victims. I have

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Speaker 1: worked with him personally on this case and I cannot

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Speaker 1: tell you how just honored I am he is with us.

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Speaker 1: Steph Watts, welcome to his own seven.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, show. That was a hell of

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Speaker 2: an introduction. I'm going to get you to pick up

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Speaker 2: my funeral. That was a wonderful thanks. Thanks for that introduction. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you and I go go way back. And actually I

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Speaker 2: just got a nice call from Nancy last week. We

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Speaker 2: just spoke, so it's uh uh, we're getting old, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: He Let me tell you something. I much prefer that,

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Speaker 2: Old and wise? That's why I'm the og. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for having me on tonight. You know, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Britney Drexel case, and it's a case that's near

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Speaker 2: and dear to my heart. You know, I've worked on

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Speaker 2: this case since twenty eleven when I first met Don Drexel.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was, I don't know, can I jump

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Speaker 2: right in on this, Cheryl, or honey, you can jump

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Speaker 2: right in right well? I mean twenty eleven, I was

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Speaker 2: speaking at a missing person's conference actually in South South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: It was for q Missing Person's Uh Foundation.

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Speaker 1: That's where we first met.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and John was there and my was I

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Speaker 2: the antiquated justice system and how to get you know,

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Speaker 2: No one's helping me. The police aren't helping me. And

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Speaker 2: that night we always choke about this. We went to

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Speaker 2: and I just, you know, I just fell in love

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Speaker 2: but yeah, here we are. It's and there's still so

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Speaker 1: Brittany Drexel case, let me tell y'all something. Brittany did

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Speaker 2: But Don was adamant that that that was not the

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Speaker 2: terrible was happening. I think in retrospect, Cheryl. Now we

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Speaker 2: every agency available was searching. To know that all that

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Speaker 2: And then Cheryl a huge break in the case in

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Speaker 2: just felt like the story wasn't right. You know, first

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Speaker 1: Well I knew it, and I called on and I said, Don,

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Speaker 1: there's zero evidence that your child was gang rape. There's

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Speaker 1: They provided zero evidence. But here they are publicly saying

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Speaker 1: the FBI? Is that what they think is happening. You know,

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Speaker 1: is this a ploy? Because there's no way they should

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Speaker 1: So the only thing that I told Don at the

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Speaker 1: and it'll draw somebody out.

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Speaker 2: Well that's one theory. That's and it's plausible. But I

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Speaker 2: said it to the FBI, it's good old fashioned systemic

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Speaker 2: racism pinted on the black guys. These guys had. This

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Speaker 2: family was not clean, okay, Cheryl. You know they had

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Speaker 2: we're in a high profile case. Let's it's sloppy police work.

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Speaker 2: Let's pin it on these guys. And you know what,

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Speaker 2: that's that my theory is a good theory because we

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Speaker 2: now know that they're suing the FBI for I think

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Speaker 2: ten million dollars because of this this situation. Now, let

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Speaker 2: a failure of multi jurisdictional investigations. Okay, we had all

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting, Cheryl, because when I did my Ted

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Speaker 2: I'll use that date because that's when things change with

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Speaker 2: the same problem. Every one of those those jurisdictions had

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Speaker 2: What I mean by that is they had all the

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Speaker 2: so now they could go back and look at those

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Speaker 2: So they did incredible, incredible police work. But Cheryl the

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Speaker 2: The day after Britney Drexel disappeared, Raymond Moody was pulled over. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna play Devil's advocate on this. The guy

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Speaker 2: you know that that information is all inside those officers'

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have physically seen the scratches on his face. So again,

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Speaker 2: it was sort of a failure of the system. But

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Speaker 2: I'm an investigative journalist, you're an investigator. Those are braces

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Speaker 2: we need to be more tuned in, Like, Cheryl, that

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Speaker 2: And one of the most shocking statements that says, he says,

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Speaker 2: He was watching all of this happen all these years

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Speaker 1: When I teach at the Academy. One thing I tell

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Speaker 1: Because you want to talk historical. You covered Ted Bundy,

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Speaker 1: because when they're in that zone, they're concentrating on their hunting,

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Speaker 1: they're looking for a victim, they're concentrating on what they did,

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Speaker 1: So it's not uncommon that they're going to speed or

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Speaker 1: You pull those tickets. Absolutely, you're one hundred percent right, step.

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Speaker 2: Brian, don't forget.

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Speaker 1: And it tells you the time of day they hunt,

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Speaker 2: Right and exactly. And it's interesting that you use the

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Speaker 2: they're using at angels sentencing. Raymond Moody says in there

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Speaker 2: unfortunately that victim was vic Brittany Jrexel. I think you

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Speaker 2: perfect victim. She was alone, she was beautiful, she was petite,

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Speaker 2: there was a lot of mystery about how Raymond Moody

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Speaker 2: and you know, Angel Voss was the one who had

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Speaker 2: gotten out of the car approached Britney Drexel and said, oh, hi,

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Speaker 2: we're tourists too, do She single handedly lured Britney Drexel

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Speaker 2: they told so what happened is Ray was in the front,

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Speaker 2: Angel was driving. They pretended to get I'm sorry. Ray

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Speaker 2: We're going to call they forgot whoever it was. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get five thousand dollars for you. We've done

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Speaker 2: this before. So the entire time Britney is very calm

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Speaker 2: it's as crazy as that sounds, we can at least

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Speaker 2: understand now, Cheryl, why she was calm, cool and collective

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Speaker 1: That is so frightening on every level? And you know,

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Speaker 1: if I just go along, it's gonna be fine. They're

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Speaker 2: And Cheryl, if I can read a little bit of

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Speaker 2: this document, this is an FBI document that will be presented.

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Speaker 2: Actually these are Raymond Moody's words. Angel Voss exited the

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Speaker 2: is the first of fifteen interviews. Okay, Cheryl, So there's

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Speaker 2: still a lot of holes in this. But what Mike's

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Speaker 2: texted us, said, Cheryl, look, let's get ahead of this.

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Speaker 2: It's coming out. Let's let's talk about this. Is they

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Speaker 2: can't change the charges, Okay. Angel Voss is only charged

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Speaker 1: Didn't he leave? And she had the ability to let

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Raymond has a mister Moody has a ritual before

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Speaker 2: out there. I mean it's I mean I wouldn't stay

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Speaker 2: one day and said, I also want to abduct and

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Speaker 2: rape a young girl. I want to do it with you,

427
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: And Raymond said, that's all you need to say. So

428
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: it's you know, how does one monster meet another monster, Cheryl.

429
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: I'll never understand that. But you know, this is the

430
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: beginning of what happened. And this is just the tip

431
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: of the iceberg. Like I said, this document that and

432
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: you'll hear Mike testify at the sentencing is the first

433
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: of fifteen recordings with Raymond Moody. But there's a much

434
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: more interesting story that I have told you that I'd

435
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: like to talk to you, but I'm sure you've got

436
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: some questions.

437
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: I do have some questions, but first I've got a statement.

438
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: The thing that is the most disturbing to me is

439
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: that in nineteen eighty three, Steph they had him. They

440
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: had him in prison. He was sentenced to forty freaking

441
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: years after being convicted of violent sex crimes, kidnapping and

442
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: sexual assault of young girls. So this wasn't just a

443
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: fantasy he had. He had already flip and done.

444
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: It right, Cherylyn he served. He only served twenty years

445
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: of that forty year sentence and was released on probation

446
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: and returned back to South Carolina. And now remember that

447
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: was in He was released in two thousand four. Okay,

448
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 2: he was admitted in nineteen ninety. So let's TikTok okay.

449
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: Shell towards the abduction of murder Britney Drexel. Now we're what,

450
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: we're five six and five years away, two thousand and seven,

451
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 2: raised pro, raised pro, that gets his paros over. That's

452
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: when everything's changed. That's when he met Angel Voss. Now

453
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: we're only two years before the rape and abduction of

454
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Speaker 2: Britney Druxel. One thing I want to ask you, and

455
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: it's a hypothetical question, and you know I know the

456
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: answer to this question, but I want your viewers to

457
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: think about this because we know he committed crimes prior

458
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: to Britney Drexel. You can't tell me that Raymond Moody

459
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: did not commit any crimes after Britney Druxel after two

460
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: thousand and one.

461
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: Look, his parole ends in two thousand and seven, two

462
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, he's charged with indecent exposure. YEP, I

463
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: mean there's no way this guy is not going to

464
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: reoffend at the age that he was, at the level

465
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: that he was. There's no telling how many victims are

466
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: in his past, but I can guarantee after Brittany, it

467
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: only heightened what he wanted to do over and over

468
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: and over.

469
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you this, Cheryl, and I mean,

470
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: this is going to come out, so you might as

471
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: well hear it here. First, Mike and the FBI team

472
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: are looking at other crimes in one particular police department

473
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: where Raymond Moody has admitted to other crimes. I don't

474
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: want to say murdered because we don't know it or

475
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: believe it to be murdered, but he has committed other crimes.

476
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: He's confessed to them, and the FBI is currently looking

477
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: at a singular particular police department, any singular particular jurisdiction

478
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: where all these alleged crimes happen. So yeah, we do

479
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: have that. Now. I want to tell you how all

480
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: this came to be. So I think that this is

481
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: an addressing store. I don't know if you know the

482
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: story because we haven't had she had to catch up

483
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: with each other. I think the audience is getting a

484
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: real like earful tonight. But you know, in while he

485
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: was in prison, Raymond Moody met a guy named Ernie Merchant. Okay,

486
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Ernie Merchant and Raymond Moody began a relationship. They were

487
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 2: jail house husbands or whatever you want to call it.

488
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: Raymond Moody took very good care of Ernie Merchant. Ernie

489
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: was in for drug charges at the time. Ernie was

490
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: an addict in and got caught dealing, and it was

491
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: Ernie was I think he was released in two thousand.

492
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: He had turned his life around and returned to South Carolina,

493
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: built to life and became a very very successful hairdresser,

494
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: which he is to this day. While you know, back

495
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: then show and this is where people struggled with the story.

496
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: You didn't talk about what you were in for, and

497
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: prisoners didn't have, you know, cell phones and tablets and

498
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: internet and all that stuff like they do now. So

499
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Earnie knew what ray was in for. But when Ernie left,

500
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Raymond told him about the crimes he committed. Obviously, Ernie

501
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: was Petrick was horrified, but Ernie had turned his life around.

502
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: This is what I want people to understand completely. So

503
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: Ernie said to Raymond, when you get out, you know,

504
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: come to me and we'll figure this out. Ernie had

505
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: a sense of Raymond took care of me and protected

506
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: me when I was in prison. I turned my life around.

507
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: He's telling me he's changed. Why can't I extend that

508
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: same courtesy to another individual, because I think people really

509
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: struggled with the story. Raymond got out, Ernie and ray

510
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: lived together in South Carolina. Ernie was a successful hairdresser.

511
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: Ray was a cabinet maker, and then things changed, well,

512
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: you know the incident that you talked about, and then

513
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, when ray was paroled, that's

514
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: when Raymond met Angel Voss and there was sort of

515
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: this Jerry Springer love triangle came out and Ernie warned Raymond.

516
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm leaving you, but that woman is going

517
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: to be the death of you. And Ernie was certainly right.

518
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: Let's jump ahead to last year. Cheryl I was conducting

519
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: an interview with Erne Emergent in his home for a

520
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: Crime Nation, which is out now. I was one of

521
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: the only people to get with Ernie other than the

522
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty interview, which I facilitated. When the interview ended,

523
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Ernie's phone rings and he on the other end of

524
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 2: the phone. Here's trick or treat. It was Halloween, Cheryl, Halloween,

525
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: it was Raymond Moody. Ernie was visibly shaken. They didn't

526
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: have a lot of time to talk. And that's when

527
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: I sat Ernie down and I said, Ernie, listen, you

528
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: need to establish a re establish a relationship with him.

529
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you how to set up a camera.

530
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you how to record him, and

531
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: you need to get out of him what he did

532
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: to Angel Voss. Ernie was incredibly lucked in at first,

533
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: but I got him going and Cheryl, he took off

534
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: like a dream. Ernie's excellent at what he does. Things

535
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: started to go get really interesting, that's Cheryl. That's when

536
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: I called Mike Connolly and said, Mike, you need to

537
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: be listening to these calls. I said. He said, Steph,

538
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: what's going on? I said, Ernie is going to get

539
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: a confession from ray as to what Angel did to

540
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: Angel's involvement in the Britney Druxel case, and he's also

541
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: going to tell you about other crimes. So now myself

542
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: an Ernie Merchant and the FBI are all working together

543
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: to get these statements. So what you're seeing, Cheryl, is

544
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: a tiny portion this sentencing statement which came out. And

545
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: I was a little bit panicked because obviously I'm working

546
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: on a documentary on this, and I'm like, the information

547
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: is getting out. But this is one little piece of

548
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: the puzzle. This is a tiny, like ten percent of

549
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: the ninety percent of these conversations. So Raymond Ernie convinced

550
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: Raymond to talk to Mike. So Ernie facilitated that. Now

551
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 2: Ernie's burnt out and he's got PTSD and after Angel sentencing,

552
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: with Mike's wish, I'm going to begin talking to Raymond

553
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Moody myself to continue the conversations and to continue to

554
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: talk to him about additional crimes. So there's your breaking news.

555
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: I am gobsmacked. I mean I am. That is incredible

556
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: work on your part. And the fact that you can

557
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: bring in Conley, who you also trust, Ernie, who trust

558
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: you Ray who trusts Ernie. That, Sir, is how you

559
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: get this dagone thing done. And to have that confession

560
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: not just Angel's involvement, which everybody believed, but now you

561
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: have been able to prove thanks to Ernie, but the

562
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: other crimes, which again none of us would have ever

563
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: believed he was, you know, in a can until Britney Drexel.

564
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: Not possible. But this is tremendous and I applaud what

565
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: you have done.

566
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: Thank you. I mean, you know, it's it's it was

567
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: a very fine line that we needed to walk, I would,

568
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: like I said, I informed Mike. Ernie and Mike have

569
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: had conversations that I'm not privy to. Mike's very forthcoming

570
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: with me, but we've never and I need to make

571
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: this very very clear, we have never broken protocol. You know,

572
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: Mike has never told Ernie what to say or what

573
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: to do. I have absolutely. I'm a journalist and I

574
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: was guiding him on what to say, what questions to ask.

575
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: But you know, we had a very unprecedented circle of trust.

576
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 2: I met Mike, like I said back, and it's interesting.

577
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: We we're laughing tonight our phone call. If you look

578
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: back on my Crime Watch Daily interview back into I

579
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: think it was twenty fifteen or sixteen, I sat with

580
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: Mike and he says to me in the interview, and

581
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: we always joke about it because he was Steph. I

582
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: almost canceled that interview with you. He said, we have

583
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 2: information on people who know what happened to Britney Drexel.

584
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: Of course, everybody thought they were talking about you know,

585
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: the you know the tailors. Well it wasn't the tailors.

586
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: It was Raymond Moody and Angel Oss.

587
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: You know it's crazy, Steph. I always tell young detectives

588
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: you better find a media expert that you can trust,

589
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: because you never know when you're going to need them

590
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: to put your story out or give information that they

591
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: can put out there to draw people to come to you,

592
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: whether it's witnesses or other victims. One of the questions

593
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: I literally have on my list to ask you was

594
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: how did the FBI get detailed information at array to

595
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: get him to essentially turn on angel And it was you.

596
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Well, listen, you know what, listen. I was a piece

597
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: of the puzzle, okay, I you know, I was the

598
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: one that convinced Ernie to talk. I was the one

599
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: when once Ernie was going and I you know, look,

600
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: I have I have all the tapes, so I'm not

601
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: gonna lie. The FBI knows, you know, Ernie. I set

602
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: him up with an iPad and we recorded all the

603
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 2: calls and we I have them all. And as things

604
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: got to the point where I thought that there was

605
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: information that the FBI did, I did what, you know,

606
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: I think what I would hope any good journalists would

607
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: do who had an established relationship with law enforcement, which is,

608
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: you know, Mike, you go get these tapes. Listen. I

609
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: would start on this date. And that's exactly what happened,

610
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you know, I had what else

611
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: was I to do? Cheryl? I mean, what am I

612
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: going to air the tapes and make a sensationalistic story?

613
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: And I have my friends at the FBI like, dude,

614
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: what the f you know, why didn't you tell us

615
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that. I've been in this business for

616
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five years.

617
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: But you're ethical, you're smart, and you did this for Dawn.

618
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: You did this for Britney. You know this is the

619
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: right thing. And Honey, let me just say, you're more

620
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: than a piece of the puzzle. You were the whole border,

621
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: you were the middle, you were the final piece. Because again,

622
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: without you, Ernie wouldn't have done this. He wouldn't have

623
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: had an iPad, he wouldn't have known how to set up

624
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: a camera, he wouldn't know how to weave this confession

625
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: and what to ask and what not to say. This

626
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: was a beautifully orchestrated, expert way to get this information,

627
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: and again by you handing it off to the person

628
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: that you knew, you could trust the FBI to do

629
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: the right thing with it.

630
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: Here we are, and Cheryl, let me tell you something.

631
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: You're the first person that I've told the story to.

632
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: So when I texted you and said I got something

633
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: for you, I felt comfortable talking to you. You know,

634
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: we're going to obviously do things with this. I think

635
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: that this is a good platform because I think your

636
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 2: viewers really understand it. Now, I want to tell you

637
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: a couple other things. The information and the details of

638
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: what they did to Britney drugs are horrific. Unfortunately, they

639
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: came out and I talked to Mike, and Mike was

640
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: aware that I knew, and I was struggling Cheryl because

641
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: I always told Don I'll always be honest with you,

642
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: I'll never lie to you. But I didn't tell her

643
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: about this, Cheryl. I couldn't. It was just too graphic,

644
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: and it wasn't It wasn't my place. You can tell

645
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: I get upset about this. It wasn't my place to

646
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: tell her, and Mike said, step, I'll tell her. And

647
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: we needed to tell her before it came out because

648
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: it was going to come out as sentencing. So that

649
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: was my only you know, thing that I struggled with

650
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: was I didn't tell Dawn. You know, the details, the

651
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 2: horrific details, and as you know, you know Britney Draft

652
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 2: Brexel was raped, strangled, stabbed in the heart with an

653
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: ice pick, and drowned in the river, you know, and

654
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: those are the general that's the general overview of what

655
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: those two monsters did to her. Angel says, she didn't participate.

656
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: You mean to tell you mean to I'm supposed to

657
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: believe that she stood there and watched. I have a

658
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 2: hard time grasping that. Now, Cheryl, where this is going

659
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: to get complicated and people need to understand they can't

660
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: change the charges, okay right now, but don Drexel has

661
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: a nub fight in her. She needs to go to

662
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 2: Jimmy Richardson and say I want Angel additionally charged for

663
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 2: the abduction, the kidnapping, rape and murder of my daughter.

664
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: Now whether or not that's gonna Cheryl, I don't know.

665
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 2: That's a stay tuned dot dot dot. We don't know

666
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts, you know, because they're going to

667
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: try to give her twenty four years. Jimmy may say

668
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: that's enough. I'm not going to do it, but John's

669
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 2: going to raise bloody ol and she needs to fight

670
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: for additional charges to be brought against Angel, so there

671
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: could potentially be another trial.

672
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you my thoughts. She's in

673
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: a van that she chose to get out of to

674
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: walk up to Brittany. At that point, she could have

675
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: told her run. She didn't. She convinced that child to

676
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: get into the van because she thought she could trust her.

677
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: Then she changed places. She drove. She drove while Brittany

678
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: was attacked. She could have taken that day into the

679
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: police department. She could have run it into a tree.

680
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: She could have pulled over and got out and started

681
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: screaming for help herself. She didn't. She drove that child

682
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: to that undisclosed location with a and I can tell

683
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: you right now, hadn't seen the photographs, don't know the

684
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: inside of that tent, and I can tell you right

685
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: now what it looked like, just like the inside of

686
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: that van. It was gross. It was disgusting. It had

687
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: drugs and probably beer and liquor and god knows what

688
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: sexual toys and leftover was all over the place. And

689
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you when he left and drove

690
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: fifteen miles back to his hotel, took a shower, and

691
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: drove fifteen miles back. You're talking about forty five minutes conservatively.

692
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: For forty five minutes, she watched that child, she talked

693
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: to that child, and she held her captive by herself.

694
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: She should spend the rest of her days in prison

695
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: for just that. When you add what she stood by

696
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: and what happened, there's not a punishment that's good enough

697
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: for her.

698
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: And now another twist to the story is in an

699
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: undercover sting operation, and people are going to be a

700
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: little bit upset about this. They got Angel. We have

701
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 2: the recordings admitting to in a sting operation to someone

702
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: from the Murtle Beach Police Department. That's exact story, minus

703
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 2: some of the graphic details. Now everyone's going to say,

704
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 2: why didn't they go in and arrest her, because at

705
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: that time they were still looking at the tailors, and

706
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: the original FBI team just didn't think that the story

707
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 2: was credible. It wasn't until Raymond Moody detailed the story

708
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: to Ernie Merchant. And to remember, he's told the story twice.

709
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 2: He's told it to Ernie on the tapes. Okay, then

710
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: Ernie set him up with Mike and he's told the

711
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: story to Mike. So now we got the story twice

712
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: and it aligns with what Angel said back in twenty fourteen.

713
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: Now what the judge is going to do is say

714
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: to Mike, well, how do we know Raymond Moody's not lying?

715
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: And Cheryl, the answer to that is, Mike said, Steph,

716
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: it lines up with the science, the science being cell

717
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: phone triangulation, you know, locations of cars, time frames. Mike's

718
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: got the science, Cheryl, to back up his testimony on

719
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: July I'm sorry, on February thirteenth, at two thirty pm

720
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 2: of this year. So you know they're still again, Cheryl,

721
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: this story isn't over. You know, poor Dawn, she's got

722
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: to go through, you know, more more details and what

723
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: happened to her daughter, and she's got to continue to

724
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 2: fight because she told me, she said, Steph, I will

725
00:43:55,080 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: pick it outside Jimmy Richardson's office too, and she will, right,

726
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: So it's interesting because no one knows, even Mike, you know,

727
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: Mike Collin, I said, Mike, you know she needs to

728
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: Mike's like Steff because they can't change the charges. People

729
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: need to understand that the charges are lying to federal investigators.

730
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: Now they released this portion of the recordings. So Mike,

731
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: take the stand and show the judge the severity of that.

732
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: With the maximum sentence being twenty four years, I believe

733
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: and we can revisit this Cheryl after sentencing that he's

734
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: going to give her the maximum sentence and that's and

735
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: then Jimmy's going to say, well, Chary got the maximum sentence.

736
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: But I think with the media pressure, I think Jimmy's

737
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: gonna have to be because Don's going to force his hand.

738
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: He's going to have to bring additional charges against her.

739
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: So stay tuned, Cheryl. I don't know how this is

740
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 2: going to play out.

741
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: We will stay tuned. But she deserves to face every

742
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: single charge for every single crome she allegedly participated in period.

743
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something else. Every single place that

744
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: Raymond Moody lived, they need to search in a thirty

745
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: mile radius he drove while he hunted. So that gives

746
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: you extra areas that you need to check. But listen,

747
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: before we hang up, I got to say something. This

748
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: is not video, but I did get a chance to

749
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: see you in person today and I got to tell

750
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: you something. You look good, honey, you look fabulous, And

751
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: I just want to say to you. Cancer did not

752
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: stand a chance with you, baby. Yeah, right, yeah, you

753
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: have just done amazing and through all of it, even

754
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: when you were so sick, you were still looking out

755
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: for other people. And I just found that extraordinary.

756
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 2: Thank you that means the world to me. I didn't

757
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: have time for cancer. I was in the middle of

758
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: all this. That's three and you know, I never told

759
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: anybody it was in the middle of this, and I

760
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: was shooting I'm Nation season one, in season two and

761
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: doing twenty twenty, you know, and I'm just like, you

762
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: know what, I've fought worse battles, and you know, not

763
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: to go down the rabbit hole of this, but there's

764
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: people that have way worse cancer than I do, you know.

765
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'm happy to tell you I've had stage

766
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: four po I said, cancer that moved to my bones.

767
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: I did radiation. I'm currently on hormone and steroid daily treatments.

768
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: Of tablets. So I'm a miserable bitch movie. I get

769
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: Holt flashes everyone. It's like going through menopositive Hell does

770
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: that mean? But the one thing, that one statement I

771
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,479
Speaker 2: wanted to share with you that I thought was really

772
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: interesting share before we go is Raymond Moody and these

773
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: tapes and we're gonna, you know, we're It's no surprise

774
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: that I'm currently working on a documentary. We're still trying

775
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: to find a home with these tapes through Ernie's lens

776
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: and Ernie's fight for justice. But one thing Raymond Moody

777
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 2: said was I wished I had a killed Angel. I'm

778
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: just like this fuckings because she she it was her

779
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: big mouth that you know.

780
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: That's right, you know her, you know, so we call

781
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: that justice. Yeah, that's what you deserve, Raymond is for

782
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: Angel to run her.

783
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: My health, Raymond confessed to you know, Ernie used his

784
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: relationship with ray his Raymond's love for Ernie. I mean,

785
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: it's it's a really interesting story to trust him. And

786
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: Raymond Moody is dying by the way, he's got a

787
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 2: uh you know, he's in a wheelchair. He's currently wearing diapers.

788
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: I mean, if there's any justice. The guy is not

789
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: in good health, and Ernie convinced him to tell this

790
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: story and tell the truth and do this for Don Drexel. Uh,

791
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: he owed it to her. I think he spared a

792
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: lot of graphic details. I think there's stuff we still

793
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: don't know. I think he even said on the tapes,

794
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: why to Don need to know all of this stuff?

795
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: It's doesn't matter, but Don Stun wants to know, you know,

796
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean she wants to know everything is the good,

797
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: the bad, and the ugly. So anyway, Cheryl, again, the

798
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: story's not over. Sentencing is coming up, and let's pick

799
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: this up when we find out what happens with Angel Voss.

800
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Oh honey, you're coming back and listen, we're gonna have

801
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Don as well. I've talked to her. She's gonna join us,

802
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: but we are gonna reconvene when we've got some things

803
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: we can bring back up. And yeah, I'm glad.

804
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: You wait, I know she's traumatized, and she is. And

805
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: I said, don just don't do anything till after sentencing.

806
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: Like she's you know, sheil she's just not understandably, she's

807
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: not in a good headspace.

808
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: Understandably, I talk to her every day.

809
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: I'm glad you reached out to her.

810
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what I told her. We'll just wait

811
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: because I adore her too.

812
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Let's get through sentencing, and I think she'll have a

813
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, give you her perspective of being in court.

814
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,879
Speaker 2: And I've already reviewed her victim impacts, David, which is

815
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: so powerful. Unfortunately, so that you're viewing audience or your

816
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: listening audiences where this is federal court. So unlike Raymond

817
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: Moody's case, where we did have cameras in the courtroom,

818
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: there is no cameras in the courtroom. There will be

819
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: no audio of that, so you will be relying on

820
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: play by play from people like myself and things like

821
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: you know that who and Dawn Who and others who

822
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,439
Speaker 2: were in the in the courtroom. So that's why I said,

823
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: let's wait, because you know you won't be getting you know,

824
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: the live feed out as the sentencing.

825
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: No understood, And that's another reason I wanted her to

826
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: know you and I were going to be together, we

827
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: were going to be talking, and you know, she of

828
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: course was thrilled with that and that we would be

829
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: with her whenever she was good and ready I'm going to.

830
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: Call her right as soon as we're hanging out from

831
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: here and check out.

832
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: All right, Well, just tell her I love her and

833
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I appreciate you coming on Zone seven,

834
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: but more importantly being a part of my Zone seven step.

835
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: Thank you, I feel, Cheryl. I can't believe we haven't

836
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: done this before. What the hell's wrong with us?

837
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna be doing it more often, so y'all

838
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: just get ready. But y'all, I'm gonna end Zone seven

839
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: the way that I always do with a quote I

840
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: was a monster Raymond Moody. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this

841
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: is Zone seven.