Speaker 1: Look, man, oh, I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's calling. Wow. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a while, and you're already attacking me.
Speaker 1: You have not seconds into me seeing you once again,
Speaker 1: because you haven't expressed any interest in coming to see
Speaker 1: my new I have expressed optimal interest in doing so.
Speaker 1: It's just that you were at Sudi's house when I
Speaker 1: came back off the plane. And I, by the way,
Speaker 1: it was a lot for me to come right from
Speaker 1: the plane to my friends because it was late at
Speaker 1: night and I was drenched in a sweat. You're embellishing biomission.
Speaker 1: You're you're leaving out the fact that you went home first.
Speaker 1: And then that was a harrowing because I had three bags.
Speaker 1: It was harrowing. You walked into a new toilet. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is what happened, listeners. So here's the deal
Speaker 1: with my apartment in green Point. It has a roof
Speaker 1: in the bathroom or the ceiling in the bathroom will
Speaker 1: constantly cave in, and I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: or say about it because I tell my landlords and
Speaker 1: they fix it. I'm doing air quotes, reader, and then
Speaker 1: I come back, and it will have caved in once again.
Speaker 1: And by caved in, I mean like it leaks. And
Speaker 1: so I get back. I've been in Los Angeles for
Speaker 1: about five months. I get back to my apartment. It
Speaker 1: is sweltering hot. I'm already devastated, since you know, in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles is very dry, very try, very dry, big difference.
Speaker 1: So then I walk into my bathroom. It is so, so,
Speaker 1: so hot, and clearly the ceiling has caved through, and
Speaker 1: they fixed it again. What they didn't fix was the
Speaker 1: entire floor in my bathroom was covered in what I
Speaker 1: can only describe as like liquid garbage, and the bath
Speaker 1: the toilet bowl itself was filled. And so then I
Speaker 1: went over to studies and saw you. And you're attacking
Speaker 1: me for not coming to see your place. But you've
Speaker 1: been very busy too. I have been busy. I want
Speaker 1: to come over. We'll do it to now, but you're
Speaker 1: going to some show. I'm gonna go do a show
Speaker 1: at the Bellhouse, but I'm gonna come out. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come them over your energy. I would you attack, I'm
Speaker 1: giving none. You have the cooler attack. You have the attack.
Speaker 1: You have the instinct of a cougar. I I just
Speaker 1: I'm feeling very your feel disconnected now. I feel so overwhelmed.
Speaker 1: I want to say so much. We have so much
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about. I want to say, first of all,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, it is so crazy that
Speaker 1: we have our guests so that we're going to get
Speaker 1: to it in just minutes. But I have been, didn't
Speaker 1: We have been in a state of anxiety and in
Speaker 1: a positive anxiety. But you and I would have these
Speaker 1: like like like we had like an hour long conversation
Speaker 1: one like in like way back like season one of
Speaker 1: slowly about our guests. Were just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: So can I tell you something that first? First? I well,
Speaker 1: let me get to this. But first I want to
Speaker 1: say one thing. No, I want to discuss it with
Speaker 1: the guests. So never mind. Okay, when you say our
Speaker 1: guests name and a group of gay men, everything stopped.
Speaker 1: Everything stopped, The water runs dry, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it becomes like the moon and the side can't figure
Speaker 1: out who should be in the sky, and I can
Speaker 1: I can I out this really mean game that you
Speaker 1: l a gays play? You l a gays, you l
Speaker 1: a gays. I was there in January, and then we
Speaker 1: went out one night and this is March. We went
Speaker 1: out one night and all these l A gays were
Speaker 1: playing this game called star or good actress? Is that
Speaker 1: what it is? What you say actress? Are starting? So
Speaker 1: one of these was an example because our guest will so.
Speaker 1: Then so some some like some gay man in a
Speaker 1: circle will say an actress's name, and Sandra Bolock in
Speaker 1: the last five I was gonna say Amy Adams because
Speaker 1: this was like a really really divisive, polarizing bork. People
Speaker 1: were like some people were like, she's she's a good actress,
Speaker 1: She's not a star, And then I was ridiculous, both
Speaker 1: I think she's both. I think Amy is brilliant and both.
Speaker 1: But this is just a anyway, this is just to
Speaker 1: illustrated the catty discourse that we that we apply to
Speaker 1: all these women. First of all, I say, I literally
Speaker 1: this is a round about way of saying, if you
Speaker 1: were to say the name of our guests, you would
Speaker 1: say actress and star. Can I say something about okay,
Speaker 1: so this it's it's my favorite performance on television is
Speaker 1: Betty Open and Glow. So I can the scene that
Speaker 1: I keep watching. But this you say, you say the
Speaker 1: scene after I say this, it's the fact it's and
Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly. It's streep Ian to be
Speaker 1: so to be access like bigness and like theatrical nous
Speaker 1: and also delivered the small And that's why I love Glow.
Speaker 1: It's like and it's unlike any other show on television
Speaker 1: because it's so interior. But it's also like the whole
Speaker 1: point is how exterior that makes sense. I absolutely I
Speaker 1: said the word streep and she's gotta go, but I it.
Speaker 1: I actually said to Louis Fortell, I was like, don't
Speaker 1: you get street vibes? And he said, yes, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: you're worshiped and you and and it's deservedly so. And
Speaker 1: we had to get that out of the way because
Speaker 1: now we can have a normal conversation. Have a normal conversation.
Speaker 1: I just have to say hospital scene, yes you have.
Speaker 1: And before I watched it, you had been saying and
Speaker 1: I and I told you. I was like, you got
Speaker 1: to watch out for this hospital scene. It was so good.
Speaker 1: And the breaking point, I'm not going to do the
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do the reading. Don't ever do that.
Speaker 1: It's actually really culture number ten. Don't ever do the reading.
Speaker 1: Now I and I just and I'll do it by
Speaker 1: myself in my apartment, just to practice, please, just to
Speaker 1: practice the placement of focus. Just She's just we are
Speaker 1: gagging right now. Oh my god, it's the most were
Speaker 1: we are gagging for gagging for her. So everyone, please, no,
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing because now I
Speaker 1: have my favorite yeah, the scream of grief in episode
Speaker 1: four when like, okay, so episode four of seasons two,
Speaker 1: there is a moment where her daughter on quote Untie
Speaker 1: gets taken and and she just the screams of pure grief,
Speaker 1: like the performed grief. I can't it's just so good.
Speaker 1: And this must be kind of irritating. It's not irritating,
Speaker 1: I don't think, because we love her so much. So
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears, Patty gilber Ship. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: actually shaking. My heart is pound. Come on, I am
Speaker 1: a huge fan and my words, hyperbolic world where we
Speaker 1: all have to give each other compliments. We don't mean,
Speaker 1: it's all over the top. Then you look in the
Speaker 1: mirror at the end of the day and you're like,
Speaker 1: what did I just say to people around? And I
Speaker 1: I have I found you guys A couple months ago
Speaker 1: and at a time where it's been like a year
Speaker 1: of basically like loneliness and hotel rooms. Yeah, some darkness
Speaker 1: but also like fun but like being away from like
Speaker 1: my people and really missing them and stump pulling upon
Speaker 1: you guys and just like rising in joy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I now can't listen to you on planes because I'll
Speaker 1: be escorted off the plane. It's it's biblical what I
Speaker 1: feel for you. It's crazy. My heart was pounding in
Speaker 1: the car over here. I've been waiting for that. That
Speaker 1: is so unbelievable. Well, first of all, thank you for
Speaker 1: saying that. But we are like, I mean, you are
Speaker 1: truly like you when we we even said, we were like,
Speaker 1: where the funk? Has this person been? Like first season
Speaker 1: of Glow? Like crying in my apartment. It's been a decade,
Speaker 1: but you've been out there. You've been out there, but
Speaker 1: like this is like such a great showcase, like and
Speaker 1: I feel like it's it's our first time meeting you,
Speaker 1: so I have to We're just really like piling it on.
Speaker 1: But thank you and listener. If you're out there and
Speaker 1: don't agree, I'm with yours. Imagine watching this show and
Speaker 1: not being like, I don't know, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know about Betty season three, August nine. I guess Netflix, okay.
Speaker 1: And also Gina Davis is crazy. It has to be crazy.
Speaker 1: It was insane. And we first met her, like Ali,
Speaker 1: Brie and I were in full Liberty Bell and Zoya
Speaker 1: and we were walking outside in the parking lot and
Speaker 1: our shadows like the sun was behind us casting these
Speaker 1: crazy shadows of our crazy silhouettes. My hair is like,
Speaker 1: you know, insane, and incomes this car in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: We were like, I don't know how I know this,
Speaker 1: but that's Gina. Like our shadows are like thirty ft long.
Speaker 1: She drives up to us and like we all just
Speaker 1: start she rolls down the window. She's just like starts laughing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, burst into tears. She's been like
Speaker 1: one of your man's for a long time. Absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: I think Actress and Star Star and you know, you
Speaker 1: know I will say this after Star can you imagine wait?
Speaker 1: After sent Star and also A League of their own,
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated films I think should have
Speaker 1: been nominated for Best Pictures. Yeah, like that is such
Speaker 1: honestly a sort of pre glow glow. Yes in many ways.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like they're She's one of those
Speaker 1: people where you look back at some female performances where
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, star, and then you go back and
Speaker 1: watch it you're like, act like your feet are one
Speaker 1: thousand feet deep into the earth. Yeah. And also there's
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm really remembering. It's like she's so strong
Speaker 1: that whole movie. And then when her husband comes back
Speaker 1: at the spoiler alert for a League of their own
Speaker 1: right now, but when her husband comes back and there's
Speaker 1: that break, and it's just you realize how much tension
Speaker 1: she's had the whole time. It's like that's work, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, and Madonna and and
Speaker 1: Rosy and fun performance. Really, I was a huge Rosie
Speaker 1: Show fan. Yeah, went to a taping you did. Yes,
Speaker 1: Did you ever remember when those people they would throw
Speaker 1: to those people and they'd be like, ah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so and so from yeah that No, but we all
Speaker 1: got Jerry McGuire VHS is under our seats because of
Speaker 1: her huge crush on God imagine being imagine like writing
Speaker 1: writing the nineties. It's like you're at the Rosie Show
Speaker 1: and you get Jerry McGuire on VHS right the nineties.
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny because Jerry McGuire was kind of the
Speaker 1: first movie I saw as a kid that I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching Tom Cruise in Who is Itson? Have sex?
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I'm only interested in looking at
Speaker 1: Tom wow turning point. So for me that was like
Speaker 1: an imprinting of like, oh I'm gay, But for Rosie
Speaker 1: was like, I'm taking cover behind this in the closet.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. That was the movie that that was the
Speaker 1: first movie that Bowen's parents took him to that was
Speaker 1: R rated. You told me this, No that's not true.
Speaker 1: Yes you did. You said that was an AL rated film.
Speaker 1: They didn't take me. They rented it from Blockbus. Oh well,
Speaker 1: then it was the first one that you watched with
Speaker 1: your parents. That was a yeah, and the next one
Speaker 1: was scary movie. Anyway, this isn't this isn't interesting. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, everything you say and that literally I I
Speaker 1: gotta like just take it down. I had to. I
Speaker 1: was like rehearsing in my head earth. I mean, like
Speaker 1: like the question, I was like, what answering music question.
Speaker 1: I was like no, no, no no, we can't sound, we
Speaker 1: can't sound rehearse you no no, no, And in my
Speaker 1: in my research on you today and yesterday, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: she could say so many things because you have quite
Speaker 1: the hiss and then you're time at personal history that Oh,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, shout out to my friend
Speaker 1: Gus Hicky, who you went to high school. We went
Speaker 1: to high school and yep, we did a production of
Speaker 1: Wonderful Town together. I loved him so much. He was
Speaker 1: in my brother's class. I feel like I was a
Speaker 1: scene you when he was a freshman. Yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So we were hanging out. We went to oil Can
Speaker 1: Harry's and l a shout out oil Can Harry's and
Speaker 1: I remember before we went I I was talking to
Speaker 1: him and he was I mentioned that you were going
Speaker 1: to come on the show, because this when we received
Speaker 1: word that you were coming on, and I was so excited.
Speaker 1: He's like, I went to high school with her. We
Speaker 1: were in the musical together. I was like, she's things,
Speaker 1: he goes, she she I'm bored with the narrative of
Speaker 1: an actress being like, I don't sing, and then a
Speaker 1: second later being like, I don't like I have a
Speaker 1: coffee shop voice. I would so much rather hear a
Speaker 1: mezzanine voice that the week. So you're saying it's a
Speaker 1: voice that is at this table, we're all going to
Speaker 1: be entranced and enchanted. No, I'm saying that I could
Speaker 1: give you like a pitchy moon River on my own time,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't give you eight shows a week like
Speaker 1: a pop belt like Oklahoma last night you haven't seen,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is it stunning? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: my high school ex boyfriend from when I was fifteen
Speaker 1: is the lead. His voice is so crazy. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: from high school, yeah plays what's his face curly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, and it's he had a voice
Speaker 1: in high school, but it's turned into I mean, it's
Speaker 1: the sexiest ghost you've ever heard. It's crazy. I just
Speaker 1: feel like only people who are really good, like you
Speaker 1: have a fucking stuff and control and your ear is
Speaker 1: crazy like it's I just I'm not interested in like
Speaker 1: ukulele for note range and that's what I'm well, you
Speaker 1: know what though, here's the thing though, Like, well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I want to ask, how was Ali Stroker?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, amazing, amazing. So we went to we
Speaker 1: knew her in college. We didn't do we know her?
Speaker 1: I know, well she was she was play rights and yeah,
Speaker 1: and so she would be like the parties that we
Speaker 1: go to and she was always like the you would
Speaker 1: just gravitate towards. Yeah, she's a star and she was
Speaker 1: a star even in college and like with the craziest
Speaker 1: voice and yeah, yeah, well because we comedy festival, okay,
Speaker 1: we were into ny U. We went to the what
Speaker 1: do you call it? The uh oh, the real State
Speaker 1: Firm n U. Yeah, I like celebrity daycare, every daycare.
Speaker 1: And the other one, the third one in the pattern
Speaker 1: is multi Complex Headshot Studio Multi something. Anyway, Ali was, yeah, Ali,
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see it because I heard it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It was a real I mean, I too have been
Speaker 1: away from New York for a long time. It's been
Speaker 1: almost a full year away, um, and I grew up
Speaker 1: here and live here and I love it so much
Speaker 1: and whatever have my struggles. But like it was the
Speaker 1: first night, like New York night back, and I met
Speaker 1: up with my best friend, writer Doyle, Yes a secret
Speaker 1: sorry writer. He's hiding amongst He's everywhere. I'll get his
Speaker 1: Instagram and I'm like, where are you? You know, he's
Speaker 1: all over the map. Yeah. Um, but like going to
Speaker 1: Oklahoma and just from lights up sobbing. Like I just
Speaker 1: I've been feeling like, I don't know, there are so
Speaker 1: many aspects in this sucking business, and I've definitely been
Speaker 1: I feel like away from I think that's why I
Speaker 1: found your podcast at the exact right time. I've just
Speaker 1: felt a little far away from you know how in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles you can find yourself like around a sect
Speaker 1: of humanity that's like you're like, oh you, it's not
Speaker 1: bad that you got into this for different reasons than
Speaker 1: and it's not bad. And I used to be kind
Speaker 1: of elitist and judgmental about it, but that is my
Speaker 1: thing and not there. Um, but it I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just there's like crashing reminders of why you
Speaker 1: love this, and I feel like that was I don't
Speaker 1: know right no, Because there's like when you when when
Speaker 1: you're watching theater, I think like it would be really
Speaker 1: hard to fake that you love it, but when you're
Speaker 1: watching a group of people who really love what they're doing,
Speaker 1: you feel that, and like special theater productions like that,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like the Jimmy's the other night
Speaker 1: when I was there, I was, what I love about
Speaker 1: this is that there are like sixty kids on stage
Speaker 1: right now who are so excited and they love what
Speaker 1: they do so much, and they are they know this
Speaker 1: is such a moment and this the purpose with which
Speaker 1: they walked on the stage, and the when they announced
Speaker 1: the finalists, like how excited they were for each other
Speaker 1: and like and just then watching them come out and
Speaker 1: like take center and just do that and like they
Speaker 1: all were so good. And it's just that I think
Speaker 1: goes a little bit away and I to stuff like
Speaker 1: I'm like fifty the industry right right, and so that
Speaker 1: is I was when I was reading today you had
Speaker 1: a quote that said, you know, you did the theater
Speaker 1: to like feed your soul and then you did like
Speaker 1: your little gigs to you know, pay for your rent
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's like, is it hard to
Speaker 1: find like joy and those things that are like Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna cut now, we're gonna take a lunch for
Speaker 1: six hours, etcetera. Yeah, I mean, I guess the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm feeling these days is like it's I feel
Speaker 1: like the stages are like, Okay, you find your people
Speaker 1: and find what you want to do, and then there's
Speaker 1: this chunk of time where you do it just with
Speaker 1: and for your people and be like, God, isn't this
Speaker 1: gonna be so amazing when it goes out into the
Speaker 1: next stratosphere and into the world that I can't wait
Speaker 1: until that happens for us. And then when it happens,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, this is amazing. But oh, now,
Speaker 1: like everyone that used to be receiving this were my
Speaker 1: friends and received it like with such care and attention,
Speaker 1: like uh and new me. And you know, it can
Speaker 1: feel like you're writing this a little like scroll of
Speaker 1: like here's who I am and sending it out to
Speaker 1: the world. When your friends are receiving it, they're like,
Speaker 1: got it, No, exactly what that? Yes, I see you
Speaker 1: exactly for who you are. And when it gets to
Speaker 1: a different plane of like, okay, now I'm sending it
Speaker 1: out to a bigger chunk of the world, Like there's
Speaker 1: a chunk of the world that's like I'm bored, or like,
Speaker 1: oh this is what it is. You're like, Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not what the school says. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: you're getting it wrong. Um, and uh what is this?
Speaker 1: You know what you're saying is so dead on, and
Speaker 1: it's it's what I'm thinking right now. Like sometimes we
Speaker 1: get just like the right guess at the right exact
Speaker 1: time because something that is something that like I could get,
Speaker 1: I could cry because something that like I feel like
Speaker 1: is going on right now is like you have your
Speaker 1: having like your so much success and like like it's
Speaker 1: starting to like I'm starting to work a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And it's like we live on different coasts now a
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the time, and it's like
Speaker 1: when we started doing this, it was like truly so
Speaker 1: that we could like do ninety minutes together just to
Speaker 1: play together. And you know, as things change a little
Speaker 1: bit over time, like um, like that you you have
Speaker 1: to work to make those things still feel right there,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because it's the greatest gift
Speaker 1: and the greatest curse to do or to be sending
Speaker 1: out that thing that you've been dreaming of sending out,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it feels like soul church, and sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like you're stage momm ng a part of yourself
Speaker 1: that doesn't want to be there anyhow. And I feel
Speaker 1: like the the benefit of doing stuff not for the
Speaker 1: world is like what I'm feeling right now. Is like
Speaker 1: when I feel like a a scene is going well,
Speaker 1: it's like the one time in my fucking crazy ask
Speaker 1: brain where there's no checkpoints of people being like who
Speaker 1: woa whoa Is that the right choice? Who? Whoa? Whoa?
Speaker 1: That's too big? Well, that's too weird. Like if a
Speaker 1: scene is going well, it's a perfect clear highway from
Speaker 1: my brain out my mouth and knowing that there's a
Speaker 1: result or people who may not necessarily get me or
Speaker 1: not like me, or like when I think about the
Speaker 1: comments section or whatever, then there's like ten new checkpoints
Speaker 1: and it makes the work shitty and it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: I needed to come back to New York. It's a
Speaker 1: complication that comes up when people can receive what you're
Speaker 1: doing right ten you checkpoints. Let's just say, yeah, you
Speaker 1: see the comments section. It's ten you checkpoints that are
Speaker 1: like permanently posted up in your in your brain at
Speaker 1: this point. Or no, they just it just takes a
Speaker 1: while for them to like go away. It takes a
Speaker 1: way to kill them, or like a while to kill
Speaker 1: I mean, like it could take five minutes or it
Speaker 1: could take a little while, but like it's no that's
Speaker 1: so interesting. I mean I want to ask you, like,
Speaker 1: what is your ideally calibrated ratio of like, well, not ratio,
Speaker 1: but like your distribution of Like let's say there's no checkpoints,
Speaker 1: what's your ideally calibrated ratio distribution of I don't even
Speaker 1: to break it down. And I was going to ask
Speaker 1: a really basic question of like TV or stage and
Speaker 1: you know, but like like what like what is like
Speaker 1: right now Betty Guelpin, what it's June five? Like what
Speaker 1: like what like what do you what's your ideal sort
Speaker 1: of platonic, ideal place for your career? I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm this sounds so gross. I'm right now at
Speaker 1: a point where I I'm in a charted territory where
Speaker 1: I'm like a little nervous about I'm a big person,
Speaker 1: Like out loud, I'll be like I only want this,
Speaker 1: and I've definitely gotten past that point because I I
Speaker 1: out loud was like, you know, if I'm on one
Speaker 1: episode of a multicam and can help take out the
Speaker 1: recycling at a casting office, like secretly being like I
Speaker 1: have dreams and like so I'm I guess I'm I'm
Speaker 1: just feeling like Okay, this is a tangent. My mom
Speaker 1: had a sister with Down syndrome UM, and she loved
Speaker 1: the Museum of Natural History but was terrified of the
Speaker 1: big dinosaur skeleton and the lobby UM, but loved the
Speaker 1: rest of the museum. And that's how I'm feeling about lesbiansiness.
Speaker 1: Like so they would they and her family would put
Speaker 1: an overcoat over her head and like stiff arm run
Speaker 1: her through the lobby to get to the rest of
Speaker 1: the museum. And I'm like, Okay, there are parts of
Speaker 1: this business that I feel are actually like hurting me
Speaker 1: and eating my brains for real, Like I feel it happening.
Speaker 1: I see, I see it happen. Where success can make
Speaker 1: you dumber, sadder, not like yourself also or like yourself
Speaker 1: a lot in a way that's gross. You stop listening
Speaker 1: like all the things that I think, like make a
Speaker 1: good actor or a good person. And I'm like, okay, Betty,
Speaker 1: what you need to like figure out what parts? You
Speaker 1: just need to put a coat over your head and
Speaker 1: run through it and not look or listen. Um, I
Speaker 1: mean what literally whatever is uh? Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: happy and healthy? Because you know what, because it's like
Speaker 1: your mother's sister at Mary, but like there's like some
Speaker 1: things are not like exposure therapy necessarily you don't gain
Speaker 1: anything out of like confronting it or just like being
Speaker 1: at its presence for like a long lifetime, like you
Speaker 1: truly don't get anything out of Like your mom's sister
Speaker 1: wouldn't have like overcome her fear of the dinosaur right
Speaker 1: just actually looked at it. It's like no, like sometimes
Speaker 1: you just know those things are scary. Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: get get out of get yourself out of that space.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's also hard for me, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if this for you me fake knowing you
Speaker 1: guys through listening to all your podcast episodes because we're
Speaker 1: out of here. For me, hard to navigate, Um, what
Speaker 1: come in my life and especially career wise, like what
Speaker 1: comes from shame and what comes from Oh, I just
Speaker 1: don't want to do that part like uh, like um,
Speaker 1: like having a public Instagram. I don't have a public Instagram,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, are you hiding or are you
Speaker 1: just not wanting to do that? Is it like ten
Speaker 1: year old terrified Betty or is it like sixteen year
Speaker 1: old with a camel lighting around me? Like I'm not
Speaker 1: thinking to do no, But that's something that I think
Speaker 1: about all the time, is like, why do I put
Speaker 1: so much effort into the instagram what I mean for
Speaker 1: comedian For comedians it's different, but it's it's sort of
Speaker 1: that same thing where it's like, well, to be totally honest, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think either of us ever thought, well, we'll
Speaker 1: be out here as a personality, Like I never thought
Speaker 1: everyone wouldn't like I kind of why when I was young,
Speaker 1: I had like those kind of dreams of like I'll
Speaker 1: be an actor, like that's what I wanted to do
Speaker 1: and still want to do. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: those things are super interchangeable now, but it is that
Speaker 1: thing of like the comments section can be rough, and
Speaker 1: then I think the monster are not monster the dinosaur
Speaker 1: and the lobby for me is probably like feeling like
Speaker 1: people are going to decide they hate me before they
Speaker 1: know what I can do, because we've decided to kind
Speaker 1: of come at it from a personality standpoint. So I
Speaker 1: think the fact that you don't have like a public
Speaker 1: Instagram or like like out there just kind of like
Speaker 1: headlines headlines. It's probably it's fine because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. It's like that just shows like you
Speaker 1: care about the work so much and you put so
Speaker 1: much into the work, and it shows and you're right
Speaker 1: that that stuff can get in the way of creating
Speaker 1: good material. I mean, it really can, or just I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's prevalent in a certain city that
Speaker 1: you and I am that it's that I watch people's
Speaker 1: brains just leave, just go, because I do also think
Speaker 1: that also, Yes, the part where you're just creating work
Speaker 1: with just you and your friends is so fun, but
Speaker 1: it's also painful. You feel invisible and like you're like
Speaker 1: why is that person being seen by the world and
Speaker 1: that or whatever. That's a bitter way to look at it.
Speaker 1: But there's so many times, Yeah, there's so many times
Speaker 1: where you just feel so small and so like, oh man,
Speaker 1: this is like trotting my soul out and putting tap
Speaker 1: shoes on, or like this is this hurts today because
Speaker 1: no one wants it. And then when it's accepted, that
Speaker 1: validation hit is. So you're like, okay, if whatever it
Speaker 1: takes to continue this feeling. And I think, like something
Speaker 1: that I love about theater and that I love about
Speaker 1: your guys, this podcast is like it's a constant. One
Speaker 1: foot is in the river of like maybe this is
Speaker 1: all a joke, Like life is a joke. Look under
Speaker 1: the carpet there's maggots. Isn't that hilarious? And then another
Speaker 1: foot in the river of I believe in magic, Like
Speaker 1: this world so beautiful, let's sing like this is you know,
Speaker 1: there's a magic circus underbelly to everything, and there's maggots
Speaker 1: under there. But look, they're sparkles under here. And I
Speaker 1: feel like those are both involved risk and being like
Speaker 1: alter whatever, and I think it's so easy to realize. Oh,
Speaker 1: validation feels so good. I'm going to move away from
Speaker 1: the alt weird stuff and just into this like center
Speaker 1: circle being of like not listening and having vocal frying
Speaker 1: my jokes not being funny anymore. Yeah, this sort of
Speaker 1: idea of like, um, nothing matters, it's all fake, so
Speaker 1: let's have fun, right. It exists a lot less in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. There is a lot more cynicism there because
Speaker 1: you like, it's a little darker, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: As lovely as it isn't, as much as I love
Speaker 1: being there, it is a little darker. And I think
Speaker 1: it's because everyone is very close to an industry that
Speaker 1: is like famously tough. It's like they kind of some
Speaker 1: It's almost like there's like a pleasure in the pain,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where it's like I feel
Speaker 1: lucky because we have had a community to like sort
Speaker 1: of develop in and it has luckily been like a
Speaker 1: loving community where and this is so bizarre to even
Speaker 1: say now, but I do kind of like I think
Speaker 1: that the rise of this sort of like joy and
Speaker 1: comedy at least, and we are our experience and drag
Speaker 1: sort of come together. Like I didn't understand this whole
Speaker 1: sort of thing of like everything's fake until I heard
Speaker 1: RuPaul say everything's fake, right. I was like, wait, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Yes, that's what drag is. It's what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: You're doing, You're doing. It's like we're all kind of
Speaker 1: pretending to be these things. And sometimes I think that
Speaker 1: can it's interesting to see that idea becomes so mainstream
Speaker 1: and so beloved because it directly um sort of conflicts
Speaker 1: with this industry, you know what I mean. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's why the camp theme at the met
Speaker 1: Ball was so they still miss the market. They couldn't
Speaker 1: say this is all a joke, because it's if if
Speaker 1: we're saying it's all a joke, then that's their bible.
Speaker 1: The met ball is the thing, and you can't be
Speaker 1: like this doesn't matter. And you also can't be like
Speaker 1: and it's magic, because magic is too vulnerable and big
Speaker 1: of a choice. It's this tautologically flawed thing where it's
Speaker 1: like the met balls, people taking themselves seriously in camp
Speaker 1: is about celebrating bad taste and not you know, not
Speaker 1: taking yourself right. But Betty's describing with like maggots or magic.
Speaker 1: It's like that's like not to be all like Brinie
Speaker 1: like Brinie Brown and ship, but like that that's like
Speaker 1: full Like that's I think that is like the definition
Speaker 1: of vulnerability, of just not knowing what the outcome of
Speaker 1: something will be, like every day being like a Schrodinger's
Speaker 1: kind of like either the cat's alive or the cat's
Speaker 1: debt in this box, I don't know. I'm coming into
Speaker 1: the situation not knowing, right, And like that's kind of
Speaker 1: what's like missing from maybe this other city where people
Speaker 1: are just like thinking they can hack the system to
Speaker 1: be like, well, I know what, I know that the
Speaker 1: cats dead and so I'm gonna bitch about the capping dead.
Speaker 1: It's just it does like a sense of humor is
Speaker 1: a little bit different there. It's like it's fine and
Speaker 1: this is not a read. I've just noticed that like
Speaker 1: sometimes like in in like in interactions I have with people,
Speaker 1: the sense of humor will be a little bit more
Speaker 1: not mean, but like it's a little bit more like
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's a little bit there's
Speaker 1: a little bit more ship talks, which is like, you know,
Speaker 1: like I lightly participated in every now and then we're
Speaker 1: all fun, but it's like it's like it's it's just
Speaker 1: I don't do you I don't experience it here that
Speaker 1: did you did you want? Did you watch Nicole Silverbriog's
Speaker 1: video on Twitter? The video which jokes jokes and every
Speaker 1: movie are these and then it's just like super kind
Speaker 1: of herd just like talking to the camera and it's
Speaker 1: just jokes that are like let's go shopping. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I get to say that. You don't get to say that.
Speaker 1: I get to say that, or that. It's it's like
Speaker 1: these non jokes that are like, um, don't bring up
Speaker 1: the hair. It's a high and it's like all these
Speaker 1: like kind of pseudo. It's not they're not actual joke,
Speaker 1: but it's like that's like what, that's what some people's
Speaker 1: idea of. No, that's okay. Another reason that I clung
Speaker 1: to your podcast was I feel like I was in
Speaker 1: that world so hard of this. There's this thing. This
Speaker 1: is the first time in my lifehere I've had to
Speaker 1: do press for stuff, and it is a world of
Speaker 1: people treating not funny people like they're comedians. Say something
Speaker 1: like sorry, I'm sorry. I was like it was raining outside,
Speaker 1: I'm soaking wet, and people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're rounding. Don't hilarious, Queen. That wasn't Or once I
Speaker 1: answered the door for hair and makeup in like a
Speaker 1: sheet mass and I opened the door and it was
Speaker 1: as if I did fifteen minutes, like like I'm George
Speaker 1: car like they were laid down in the hallway. I
Speaker 1: was like, this is not what yes, And so when
Speaker 1: I first listened to your products like these a runny
Speaker 1: people exact, Oh my god, you're gonna here's a question
Speaker 1: I have when you do go on those late night shows, yeah,
Speaker 1: are they totally rehearsed beforehand and they like, this is
Speaker 1: what you talk about then this, then this, I mean
Speaker 1: not to shadow illusion, but I no, no, no. So
Speaker 1: I've now done three late night talk shows and the
Speaker 1: first to talk about checkpoints. It's like I did Colbert
Speaker 1: and then Kimmel and um they and then I just
Speaker 1: recently did Kimmel like last week. UM, and they do
Speaker 1: they call you a couple of days before producers yeah
Speaker 1: talking about yeah, and uh you kind of like trot
Speaker 1: out your story to them and they're like, okay, tell
Speaker 1: that one, okay, um, And you know I tried to.
Speaker 1: I also feel like in the theater um setting, they're
Speaker 1: so like, you never talked about the result. You never
Speaker 1: talked about the fact there's going to be an audience.
Speaker 1: It's very like try try in the room and then
Speaker 1: you know, see what happens. It's so like quote unquote
Speaker 1: not result based. And then like the silent like superstitious
Speaker 1: thing is like and then there's going to be an
Speaker 1: audience and that kind of thing talk shows or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure joke writing it's you have to be
Speaker 1: cognizant of the results because whatever. Um. But I tried
Speaker 1: to for the first to be like la la la la,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know I'm pretending there's not a
Speaker 1: segment producer. I'm pretending this isn't planned, and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like go and make it up as I go along.
Speaker 1: And I did the first two and the third the
Speaker 1: one I did last week, I was I had the
Speaker 1: second I sat down, I was like, comments, section, there
Speaker 1: are people poised over there keyboards. They've already said, look
Speaker 1: at her ears. She deserves the death penalty. And it
Speaker 1: was yes, And it didn't go great, Like it was fine,
Speaker 1: but I was very nervous and it felt like that
Speaker 1: feeling of the ten year old me being like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're stage momming me into this and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be here anymore. Um. And I told like a
Speaker 1: story that was like important to me, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wish i'd told this is why people tell fake stories,
Speaker 1: because you're saving a part of yourself or whatever. So
Speaker 1: I yeah, it just felt kind of like gross and sad.
Speaker 1: Well for what it's worth. I mean, I I didn't
Speaker 1: see your most recent chemical appearance, but I thought you're
Speaker 1: Colbert and your last chembal appearance I thought. I was
Speaker 1: like this. I was like, this is like, this is
Speaker 1: what these interviews used to be and like this is
Speaker 1: kind of perfect and anyway. But I think it's so
Speaker 1: interesting that like the fact that you clocked that you
Speaker 1: were telling yourself comment section and I'm stage I'm stage
Speaker 1: momming this that doesn't want to be here, right, that's
Speaker 1: crazy that you're putting the words this thing that I
Speaker 1: feel all the time where I'm like, I am just
Speaker 1: I always know the present, but not right the second
Speaker 1: before something happens. I always know, but like it's so
Speaker 1: funny moment where you go on stage or something like
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill or I'm going to be awful,
Speaker 1: and so lately, over the past two years, I think
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit better at just being like,
Speaker 1: even if that voice pops up, it's like, well, you
Speaker 1: know that voice is gonna make you do badly, so
Speaker 1: defeat it right now and I'll be better about that.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you do. You're just getting that funking that
Speaker 1: is so interesting. I think it's like a performer's instinct
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I know better, but we're here
Speaker 1: and I'm a human and we're being very human out here.
Speaker 1: Because there's an element of performance. You can work as
Speaker 1: hard as you prepare there's it's just there's so much
Speaker 1: up to chance and just what's in the air or
Speaker 1: you know, what part of your brain is asleep or await,
Speaker 1: like if the right parts are asleep in a wake
Speaker 1: and there's you can't control it. You can do things
Speaker 1: to hurt it. But it's I mean, I'm so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm so terrified that something's going to happen. I'll read
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, I'll look, I'll meet the wrong where
Speaker 1: the acting part will just fall out. Has that happened? Well?
Speaker 1: There was like this American life about a baseball pitcher
Speaker 1: who was like a World Series pitcher and one day
Speaker 1: this is a great horrible and he just got so
Speaker 1: in his head and he couldn't he could He's stop
Speaker 1: being able to throw the ball to the house for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life totally. Can you even know
Speaker 1: it's going to know any time? This isn't like when
Speaker 1: you were hurt I have done this, like oh God,
Speaker 1: like this you know when come on No Judgment how
Speaker 1: a big audition one and like had rehearsed relentlessly and
Speaker 1: then you get out there and it's just like you
Speaker 1: remember how big it is and you can either set
Speaker 1: it's that fight or flight, and sometimes you just pick
Speaker 1: that second thing. And it's sometimes I think it just
Speaker 1: because that wasn't meant to be a thing. But you'll
Speaker 1: always leave, especially audition experiences, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because that is a high stakes thing. Are you auditioner? No? Um?
Speaker 1: I now just I try to self tape whenever I can,
Speaker 1: and I tape my iPhone to my window and tape
Speaker 1: the sides next to the iPhone and record my own
Speaker 1: voice with the other lines. Yes, and that's you've been
Speaker 1: called on it. Like what it's the only time I've
Speaker 1: booked off tape because I when someone else is there,
Speaker 1: I'm like, we can be done. That's fine. Yes, this
Speaker 1: is this is the way to audition. You will book
Speaker 1: constantly a because the window. Tape your phone to the window,
Speaker 1: the sun blows out all the years of hard living
Speaker 1: for those of us need it. And you literally tape
Speaker 1: your sides here next to the phone and read them.
Speaker 1: It looks like you are a hundred percent off. You
Speaker 1: can't see the eyes reading. It's crazy. I've done like
Speaker 1: monologues Webbon and then you just change your eyeline to
Speaker 1: this page. I mean, it's it's that is huge to
Speaker 1: know because honestly, I'm always like freaked out because I
Speaker 1: can never get anyone to come over, like right, we
Speaker 1: always usually do it together. But I would put you
Speaker 1: guys on tape and I love it. But I would
Speaker 1: be like the person to be like, Okay, well we
Speaker 1: can just do too, and you know, I would just
Speaker 1: I do just kind of get crazy when there's an audience.
Speaker 1: When there's an audience of just one, it's just me.
Speaker 1: You're we're always yeah, but you give me like really
Speaker 1: good feedback. And for some reason, and this is bad.
Speaker 1: This is just a bad confession for some reason, Like
Speaker 1: I sometimes I fear it that I'm like, God, I'm
Speaker 1: really fucking up in Matt is watching me. Each it's me.
Speaker 1: It's exactly my good best friend. One I will say this,
Speaker 1: I actually do better, Like one time Studio and Boe
Speaker 1: put me on tape and I actually felt like I
Speaker 1: did better because I was performing instead of doing this
Speaker 1: in front of one person, like I prefer an audience
Speaker 1: to just one person. I just actually suit. You just
Speaker 1: put me on same something when we were in Nantucket
Speaker 1: and it was literally me Suit. You get like an
Speaker 1: award for SNL and Nantucket and so were they put us.
Speaker 1: They put her up in this like nice thing, and
Speaker 1: I was like, just like doing my tape in this
Speaker 1: like LuxS atmosphere. I felt like they were going to
Speaker 1: watch it and be like, where the funk is he?
Speaker 1: You'll probably book it like he's in the atmosphere. Him. Wow,
Speaker 1: that was great. He booked a lux atmosphere for the tape.
Speaker 1: I've got to try the sides to the window. I
Speaker 1: will too, It'll change everything. And also don't have to
Speaker 1: bother anyone totally. Although my old managers made me buy
Speaker 1: like the phone and tripod, which I don't mind. That's
Speaker 1: that I need to do that, But the amount of
Speaker 1: pain it takes to scotch shape my iPhone to a window,
Speaker 1: it's why have I Yeah, you've set this thing on
Speaker 1: not to cool your own interviews back because it's kind
Speaker 1: of like iron. But I mean, this thing that stuck
Speaker 1: with me is that you were it was the Sam
Speaker 1: Jones on Camera show, and it was but you guys
Speaker 1: were talking about auditioning and then and specifically with Liberty
Speaker 1: Bell with Glow, with Debbie with Glow. You just talk
Speaker 1: about this sort of this this attachment that happens when
Speaker 1: you when you come across a character, you know something
Speaker 1: that you're just like, wow, I really hope I fucking
Speaker 1: I love reading about that audition that you have with Allison. Yeah,
Speaker 1: by the way, it is as lovely and amazing as
Speaker 1: we all do. I feel so bad for a sidebar
Speaker 1: that people nowadays have to like perform a friendship like
Speaker 1: when they're doing and we're best friends. Like I really
Speaker 1: feel for the queer Eye guys, because because it can't
Speaker 1: possibly be um. But I'll mean, I'll show you my
Speaker 1: sheet we are, like it's crazy. I love her. And
Speaker 1: so you guys met at the audition Toronto for your
Speaker 1: callback audition. Yes, so I had read it was like
Speaker 1: that was like my fifth audition or I think I'd
Speaker 1: gone a bunch in I made a tape. Um. And
Speaker 1: also a thing I'll do is like I'll do the
Speaker 1: scenes and then I'll do like a weird like ripping
Speaker 1: off you guys, like a weird video, like a Lawrence
Speaker 1: video like cat Coo and rip off video, like me
Speaker 1: as the character or whatever, like being weird like that
Speaker 1: was that was the last two years. I was like
Speaker 1: fuck it because there have been so many times where
Speaker 1: I saw myself on the page and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1: Girls Veep Orange is the new Blood, like so many
Speaker 1: things that I was like, God, I mean I auditioned once,
Speaker 1: but I was like, well, here we go, and they're
Speaker 1: like no feedback, um, and so I just I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: if the audition is going to be the only time
Speaker 1: I get to be with this person, and let's just
Speaker 1: like make it weird. But yeah. I was then filming
Speaker 1: something in Toronto and they flew her out there, which
Speaker 1: was like my social anxiety nightmare. Yes, yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: doing like a guest star episode on something and she's like,
Speaker 1: this gorgeous movie start has to come to Toronto. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry. And I remember they
Speaker 1: told us to wear like athletic clothes, and I was like,
Speaker 1: she's not gonna be wearing an athletic Like I better
Speaker 1: like show up and like I'm gonna wear sun dress
Speaker 1: and flip flops and show her look I'm cool too.
Speaker 1: And she was in full like year ready to wrestle
Speaker 1: and looked at my white Irish factory feet and was like,
Speaker 1: what do you we we were supposed to I'm so sorry. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I would have told their flat. I would have been
Speaker 1: like I would I assume you were going to show
Speaker 1: up best fancy? Why didn't I do that? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Wait did they? So? Then do you mind if I asked?
Speaker 1: Did they have to do? They just had you chemistry
Speaker 1: read with chemistry test with like the wrestling or was
Speaker 1: it like they know they did uh scenes where it
Speaker 1: was the scene in the car I ink in the
Speaker 1: pilot and then the scene where I come in with
Speaker 1: the baby and yell at which is truly like the
Speaker 1: thing that hooks You're like, I have to the scene,
Speaker 1: so like thanks for that making that the auditions, like
Speaker 1: it's crazy the gene or whatever. The brain trick it
Speaker 1: takes to do that in an audition is completely different
Speaker 1: than doing it on camera, Like some people can turn
Speaker 1: it on for an audition and then it's it's two
Speaker 1: totally different muscles, but whatever. That's also a tough scene
Speaker 1: on the page, of course, to really make that work
Speaker 1: because that but the believing that she's going to kick
Speaker 1: her ass right then and right is a tough turn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's it's one that like you guys really made
Speaker 1: it sing, but it was, and it's a really important
Speaker 1: scene because it's the it's the crux of the whole series, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I But on the Sam Jones thing, I think you
Speaker 1: just mentioned this thing where you were like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: most of like as a defense mechanism, something that kicks
Speaker 1: in in your brain is that well, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get this. I'm not going to guess I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get this. I'm not right for this. But then
Speaker 1: you were like, but then like sometimes there's this one
Speaker 1: centimeter tall person in your brain that's just like maybe
Speaker 1: I'm right for this. Yeah. Like that's like like like
Speaker 1: like why, like the access to that thing is so
Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's so hard. And also I think
Speaker 1: I did a lot of unhelpful associating, like needing to
Speaker 1: keep parts of my identity around because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what makes me creative is hating myself or what
Speaker 1: what gives me access to this is you know, not
Speaker 1: liking uh my face or like having my picture taken
Speaker 1: like that keeps me me and it I realized like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's been so that's the reason I didn't get this.
Speaker 1: This and this. I've been standing in my own way
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, just because what I
Speaker 1: want like street cred with myself when I'm falling asleep.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good street cred with myself when I'm
Speaker 1: falling asleep. That's like, yeah, like why it's not cool
Speaker 1: to be negative to self legitimize or whatever and be like, well,
Speaker 1: I better be true to who you know whatever, Like
Speaker 1: sometimes you just mythologize in this way. That's so not productive.
Speaker 1: It's like the thing of like they say, you go
Speaker 1: into the audition like and you should act like you
Speaker 1: already have the part right. That is, it's it's hard
Speaker 1: to get there right, especially when another like sect of
Speaker 1: people might tell you like just do it, let it go.
Speaker 1: You probably won't book it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like there's two competing things. Well, I feel like
Speaker 1: the thing to do is what we were talking about
Speaker 1: before of being like the carbon tim standing under over
Speaker 1: has maggots and magic, Like it's it's not like I'm
Speaker 1: amazing and funk at all. It's like like this could
Speaker 1: be magical, this could be terrible. And also it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: The people behind the table are just as scared and
Speaker 1: lonely and afraid of being found out as I am.
Speaker 1: And there they want you to be good. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: they're really That's the thing too, was I keep reminding myself,
Speaker 1: is they want to find the right person right enthusiastically
Speaker 1: show up, you don't know what the outcommends, and then
Speaker 1: you just hold the dice. Oh my god, you're incredible, Betty.
Speaker 1: I also now remember like you were fully on that show.
Speaker 1: Is just like so crazy that she came from our
Speaker 1: like community. I mean I went to her wedding, yes,
Speaker 1: and it was I mean talk about culture. Culture, oh culture.
Speaker 1: I was to nowhere I grew up eating dry chicken.
Speaker 1: It looked like the most beautiful ceremony. Oh boy, oh boy.
Speaker 1: And there were moments I hope so he's okay with
Speaker 1: me saying where Kenny, I'm married to? You're I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very theatrical. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: to an Indian wedding. It's like you're watching a play,
Speaker 1: like a morgeous, beautiful play, and they translate, um, what
Speaker 1: everything that's about to happen there? Like and now the
Speaker 1: husband takes a walk with the father and they talk
Speaker 1: about the moon and and then it happens before your
Speaker 1: eyes and everyone was in tears, and then they're sunny.
Speaker 1: You could tell they told us it was going to happen,
Speaker 1: because the whole thing is scripted. That Sunny bows to
Speaker 1: Kenny and then unscripted, Kenny bowed. The whole crowd was like,
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like, oh my god, beautiful moment for
Speaker 1: the whole audience that it was. Yeah, I I love
Speaker 1: her so much. She's she's been a star since day one. Yeah. Really,
Speaker 1: she was my entry point to you guys, because I
Speaker 1: was like these people like in her instagram of the
Speaker 1: she introduced me to you at the Tabor Reader, Isn't
Speaker 1: it romantic? And shared the screen? It was very stick
Speaker 1: a fantic. I was just like, and I still am,
Speaker 1: but like anyway, I was. That was our first meeting.
Speaker 1: And I love that movie and I recently I recently
Speaker 1: watched it and I saw that you saw. I watched
Speaker 1: it a movie about magic and magat it is, and
Speaker 1: I think that movie is underrated and I wanted more
Speaker 1: Betty in it. I was saying that all the supporting characters,
Speaker 1: which is such a bummer cool, Like I get it,
Speaker 1: but I want like when they were doing that part
Speaker 1: where it's like they were going to do like the
Speaker 1: changing montage and then they didn't do it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I get the community choice that we're making
Speaker 1: to not do it, but like I want to do it.
Speaker 1: I know. It's so crazy. It's it's so it's crazy
Speaker 1: to do something and then give it to someone else
Speaker 1: and be like see you in a gear. Good luck
Speaker 1: changing that into something. I don't know what it's going
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, right right, it's crazy. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: So the theater that you did like throughout your twenties,
Speaker 1: was that like collaborative stuff or was it kind of
Speaker 1: just like like did you ever like part of creating things?
Speaker 1: Or No? I was very you know, I grew up.
Speaker 1: My parents are actors and we're mostly stage actors um.
Speaker 1: And even though like growing up, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: they're out on GUARDE and now I'm like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: still even though where their actors are still very old school.
Speaker 1: That's like you did Summer Stock and you did a R.
Speaker 1: Gurney plays and you did restoration comedies and that's do
Speaker 1: in theater and another at um. Although I show that
Speaker 1: my dad was one of the founders of E. S T.
Speaker 1: So Dad, you're both. This is a good entry point
Speaker 1: for the question because that's my answer to the question
Speaker 1: you ask it that officially just just for you know, uh,
Speaker 1: forensic purposes. We'll ask Betty the question what is the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture is for you? And
Speaker 1: so it's so boring that no, it's a theater. I
Speaker 1: mean I was like on the way over a like magazines,
Speaker 1: were you like stage managing when you were like or something? Well, yes,
Speaker 1: so I definitely grew up. Um, I grew up in
Speaker 1: the South Street Seaport in New York. Yeah, I mean famously.
Speaker 1: I mean I wish we had that. My dad bought
Speaker 1: with his friend of four story building for I believe
Speaker 1: it's thirty five thousand dollars and doesn't own it anymore
Speaker 1: and it's worth millions. But it was like it was
Speaker 1: super old, like the cobblestone streets and everything, and the
Speaker 1: ceiling of it was like made of old ship parts.
Speaker 1: Goes amazing and but like the size of this room
Speaker 1: our apartment. Um. But yeah, I grew up with my
Speaker 1: parents doing off Broadway theater and regional theater, and like
Speaker 1: you know, I always have been like, oh, it's it's
Speaker 1: theater that it really is. It's like the culture around
Speaker 1: it's like backstage culture. Like I think what I'm drawn
Speaker 1: to is people who are quote unquote forced to be together,
Speaker 1: like to tech culture, like around being like we have
Speaker 1: to be here for twelve hours. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: Like my mom in a wig cap and a hoop
Speaker 1: skirt being like, come in and shut the door. We
Speaker 1: have to talk about you know who I mean, just
Speaker 1: watching her hold court and that that was culture to
Speaker 1: me because you I'm not going to mention it, but
Speaker 1: like You've made content that is so specific to this, right,
Speaker 1: my favorite just these isolated lines of like someone in
Speaker 1: a dressing room, right, yes, it's so good. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so fatwork. Yeah, like beyond just like just the the
Speaker 1: closeness that you're sort of forced into with tech culture.
Speaker 1: I guess tech culture. Yeah, it's almost. It's also like
Speaker 1: seeing people in the moments that if they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: make a TV show about my life, do all these
Speaker 1: moments and you're like, I'm actually it's the tech or
Speaker 1: the you know, them in a wig cap, like you know,
Speaker 1: with food on their face being like, I don't know, guys, today,
Speaker 1: I shipped my pants. Like it's people not at their
Speaker 1: worst but kind of at their between or something. And
Speaker 1: I'm also realizing like I was seeing actors at you know,
Speaker 1: in my mind at the time, I was like the
Speaker 1: top that you can be at the Longworth Theater and
Speaker 1: behave it or K Playhouse, and you know, they were
Speaker 1: all on their waist somewhere or on their way back down.
Speaker 1: It was like dames who had been up here and
Speaker 1: who were now doing the K Playhouse, or like Eneuse
Speaker 1: who were like K Playhouse and route to something else.
Speaker 1: Like kind of seeing seeing the between moments and just
Speaker 1: between like on some smaller micro cosmic scale than between
Speaker 1: in a larger life. Right. I guess that's what funs
Speaker 1: with my brain so much about press is that there's
Speaker 1: suddenly this thing of like, oh now we all have
Speaker 1: to pretend that we're these perfect Like when I when
Speaker 1: I go sit and talk to Jimmy Kimmel or whatever,
Speaker 1: professional artists have been working on my face and hair
Speaker 1: and body for two hours before you've seen me, and
Speaker 1: I fit with a stylist and like its tailored within
Speaker 1: an instrument. Like it's the opposite of between culture. It's
Speaker 1: like the most binary thing. You're ready or you're not, Yes,
Speaker 1: right right, go out and go out there. You know,
Speaker 1: there's no like wink at the smoke and mirrors, there's
Speaker 1: no and it's so it's so confusing to me. And
Speaker 1: then and then there's like especially like you start where
Speaker 1: you start, which is truly the love for the craft,
Speaker 1: like you love even the tech of it all. And
Speaker 1: then you get to this place where you're on a
Speaker 1: hit show on Netflix and they nominate you for an Emmy,
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Emmy's and it's like
Speaker 1: what the fuck. It's like, that's like the height of it,
Speaker 1: right right, like prodding out of like which one? Will
Speaker 1: it be? Right? Crazy? Yes? Yeah, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it, like um, and I play
Speaker 1: so often. I play characters who are like I've entered
Speaker 1: the room and sink I'm fantom yes and that, which
Speaker 1: is crazy, but I try to like it's like in
Speaker 1: theater school or whatever. You also, by the way, I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those actresses who was like why did
Speaker 1: you make me leave the house putting on a show?
Speaker 1: Like this is my dream? Is it's crazy? I love
Speaker 1: I'm a show person, and I'm not like why didn't
Speaker 1: you just let me write in my journal? I want
Speaker 1: to be right, it's just the here's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like I love the soul church feeling or whatever,
Speaker 1: like the Joan of Arc monstery part down here and
Speaker 1: channeling that into a scene like screaming with your baby
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then in order to get those parts,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of commute through this like Kylie
Speaker 1: Cell of like you go up here and you put
Speaker 1: on take eyelashes and you pose through it and you
Speaker 1: answer um Miley or Madonna questions and you're kind of
Speaker 1: like cutesify yourself a little bit. But you gotta keep
Speaker 1: that trap door open to the to the Jane of
Speaker 1: Arc parts, because if you stay too long up here,
Speaker 1: that trapdoor is going to cement over and you'll be
Speaker 1: this person forever. And that's what I'm talking about, of Like,
Speaker 1: that's what scares me. That's why I'm always like like,
Speaker 1: for the last Kimmel appearance, I wanted to tell the
Speaker 1: story of shipping my pants at Nurse Jack because I
Speaker 1: was like, that'll keep the trap door open, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be whatever Kylie Barbie person, but I'll
Speaker 1: be telling a story about the grossest, craziest stuff and
Speaker 1: like I'll still be me. And the guy on the
Speaker 1: phone was like, don't tell this, please don't because to
Speaker 1: me it was a metaphor for like I had started
Speaker 1: to try to be naked a ton on that show,
Speaker 1: so I'd like started to treat myself like, oh, the
Speaker 1: reason you're here is the Kylie Barbie stuff, not the
Speaker 1: Joane of Arc stuff. And that could feel the trap
Speaker 1: door slowly closing, and I feel like shooting my pants
Speaker 1: was like the Joan of Arc part, like kicking it open,
Speaker 1: being like you're a funking monstor it is that thing
Speaker 1: that makes it like to play the game. And also
Speaker 1: I want to fucking act, which you and I kind
Speaker 1: of talk about. I mean, it's a totally different scale
Speaker 1: and it's such a it's a different sort of exposure
Speaker 1: of horse. But it's also like sometimes we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we didn't think we would have to right do this
Speaker 1: part and we have to like like cutefy, like really
Speaker 1: just like reduce our friendship are eleven twelve year friendship
Speaker 1: at this point down to like three bullet points. Funny
Speaker 1: like when when we have to go into rooms and
Speaker 1: like pitch, yes, right, do you do things to water
Speaker 1: it to keep the realness. I mean it was funny
Speaker 1: because the one time we were in Last the well,
Speaker 1: we can share this. We were having like a we
Speaker 1: were having a we were in a little bit of
Speaker 1: a spot, he and I and we were kind of
Speaker 1: like having a little bit of a like a rough week,
Speaker 1: and we would have to go pitch ourselves because Last
Speaker 1: Cultures for a minute there was going to get pitched
Speaker 1: as the TV show, and so we would like we
Speaker 1: were going from place to place and we were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: like everything's great and then silent and wow, wow, I'm
Speaker 1: curious that you just I mean, but it kind of
Speaker 1: like it gives it an it gives it this topography
Speaker 1: that like I would not trade it's but it is. It's.
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting, Yeah, to be in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles doing that. I was like, huh, this is what people,
Speaker 1: this is like what this is? Yah? And like that
Speaker 1: was just like truly part of the ebb and flow
Speaker 1: of our friend of anyone's friends. Started to feel like
Speaker 1: merrily we roll along. It started to feel like just
Speaker 1: like this this this friend, this partnership is breaking down
Speaker 1: over like reverse time or whatever. I feel for you guys,
Speaker 1: because it must be the world is so thirsty for
Speaker 1: authenticity and things being actually funny and like you guys
Speaker 1: being so in touch with things that are becoming extinct,
Speaker 1: like being actually, you're so fucking hilarious and smart, you guys.
Speaker 1: It's and that it's it's you're basically the last people
Speaker 1: on its stngratulations. But it's like, I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: a matter of like keeping that trapdoor stapled open and
Speaker 1: being like that's our thing, that we just have constant
Speaker 1: access to that instead. But sometimes it can totally feel
Speaker 1: like you've like that Jimmy Kimmel thing if it I
Speaker 1: thought it was going to feel like I've got the
Speaker 1: track was this metaphor tracking? No, I guess so um
Speaker 1: to me, I was like, this is gonna be my
Speaker 1: way of holding it open and being like, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: in these clothes, but here's a dark, weird part of
Speaker 1: me that real is real. And I sat down and
Speaker 1: I there were so many checkpoints in my brain that
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, it actually is, Like was a
Speaker 1: jone of arc monster part of me that I then
Speaker 1: like threw a bow on and some lip gloss on.
Speaker 1: It was like, come on, honey, like we gotta sell
Speaker 1: this thing. And that part of me was like and
Speaker 1: now you hurt me, and you know, it's it's so
Speaker 1: hard to navigate when you're doing that and when you're not.
Speaker 1: It's been I will say, it's been kind of nice
Speaker 1: and I feel lucky. I don't know how you feel,
Speaker 1: but at least over the past couple of years, I
Speaker 1: kind of was like, if you commit to being yourself,
Speaker 1: that actually is what it is, like whoever you are,
Speaker 1: as long as you commit to that like and are
Speaker 1: that truthfully, whether that's a funny person, well that's a
Speaker 1: very smart person, a very talented person. I think, as
Speaker 1: long as you commit to being who that is. And
Speaker 1: of course there's those little moments where you have to
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to like, you know, negotiate
Speaker 1: what people want from you. But it's about figuring out, like, well,
Speaker 1: how do I be me in this scenario? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that's when as the stakes
Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit higher, like you know, and
Speaker 1: things things happen. It's just every time I go on
Speaker 1: like a podcast and I'm being myself, it's like recently
Speaker 1: I had someone like attacked me for using a certain word,
Speaker 1: like I used the word, um, I know it's I know,
Speaker 1: it's I shouldn't say it now, And I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: an effort. But I used the word psycho to say
Speaker 1: something was like crazy or like bad. I I used
Speaker 1: it was so I used the word psycho and someone
Speaker 1: like really was like, hey, I'm I'm a psychotic and
Speaker 1: like that really hurt me when you said that, And
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean this is just gonna
Speaker 1: come with the territory. It's like, right, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to be more careful about what you do and like
Speaker 1: hear people because what he's saying is a real thing,
Speaker 1: and b it's like I would never have thought that,
Speaker 1: but that's just it's just like you learn that and
Speaker 1: you take that and then you're just going to take
Speaker 1: that and that's part of what you know now and
Speaker 1: then you just be you try your best to be
Speaker 1: yourself at your best. But then, but knowing yourself is
Speaker 1: not thinking of yourself as like a fixed point. It's
Speaker 1: thinking of yourself in terms of these axes of like
Speaker 1: I'm a Jane of arc or i m a highlie, right,
Speaker 1: And it's hard to know when that stuff is helpful
Speaker 1: and when it's not. Like emotionally cutting The next day,
Speaker 1: I watched the first part of it, the Kimmel thing
Speaker 1: and then scrolled around um and they were like three
Speaker 1: compliments that I just didn't even think that went right
Speaker 1: through my brain. And one person wrote like like like
Speaker 1: like she says like a billion times she's a dits.
Speaker 1: What is her purpose? I was like, you do that,
Speaker 1: Betty next time. Don't say like yeah, you don't even
Speaker 1: do that in real life. Come on like you don't
Speaker 1: like like like you don't want to a pure stut.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, no, yeah, who cares. Wait
Speaker 1: then you'll just do no words will come out of
Speaker 1: your mind. It will be only checkpoints and no content.
Speaker 1: It will be only Kylie and no Joan of Arc exactly,
Speaker 1: and the trap Drob will have close. We must we
Speaker 1: must keep it open. I can't believe we're I I
Speaker 1: this is still church to me. Just you and yes,
Speaker 1: I god, I just you're You're just incredible, Betty. You
Speaker 1: just I mean, for what it's worth, We just fucking
Speaker 1: love you. I mean it is. When I say it's
Speaker 1: my favorite performance on television, I'm I'm because because it's fun,
Speaker 1: but it's also so emotionally grounded, Like that fourth episode
Speaker 1: of the second season, WHOA like I would have gotten
Speaker 1: this it was did you remember this one? It was
Speaker 1: a kind of sort of like very very um Debbie
Speaker 1: and also a very very um uh well for her queen.
Speaker 1: It was like a motherhood episode and it was the
Speaker 1: episode where um uh her son comes and sees her.
Speaker 1: Her son goes to Stamford and yes, and he says, well,
Speaker 1: I want to see what you do because she gets
Speaker 1: recognized from the show, and he goes and sees her,
Speaker 1: and it's this horrible sort of like very very very
Speaker 1: devastating moment where she's playing this racial stereotype. Stevens is
Speaker 1: the actual Instagram and she's an actual Kia. Stevens is
Speaker 1: amazing and she she's right, there's and this this scene
Speaker 1: was a son too, very good and there was just
Speaker 1: that moment and then he he was you know, he
Speaker 1: accepted her at the end because I think that you
Speaker 1: know that this is a nothing about the show is
Speaker 1: it was hard. It's hard for actresses even now, like
Speaker 1: you get the work and to do the work and
Speaker 1: then you have questions about the work. I mean Suna's character,
Speaker 1: especially Meantime stay mental Plague star actress about no I
Speaker 1: love that want to play it on my Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is confusing because it's I feel like Glow is a
Speaker 1: good metaphor for you know whatever the girls in it
Speaker 1: think they're doing this weird, cool thing with their imagination
Speaker 1: and powerful thing with their bodies, and because their women
Speaker 1: in tiny costumes is viewed with the male gaze first,
Speaker 1: and like what's the expiration date on that? Like, I
Speaker 1: do have that question to the world that I don't
Speaker 1: want to answer to comment sections of like, hey, thanks
Speaker 1: for letting me be here. This is so amazing. I
Speaker 1: never thought this would happen. Is it because of the
Speaker 1: jone of our stuff or the Kylie stuff? Because the
Speaker 1: Kylie stuff is gonna go away, My tids are gonna
Speaker 1: be in my shoes, this Irish face. Genetically, I was
Speaker 1: meant to like write a long poem in an attic
Speaker 1: and diet forty like she's not meant for HD came so,
Speaker 1: like there's stuff that's gonna spire. I do like quick
Speaker 1: so and I want to be here for a long time.
Speaker 1: Well but it's the real thing. But up here you're
Speaker 1: asking that question because it's like, especially in a show
Speaker 1: like Glow, where it is like, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at the marketing and of course there are going to
Speaker 1: be a lot of people out there that are like
Speaker 1: women wrestling, right, And then it's good. But then you
Speaker 1: watch the show and it's really just it's just this
Speaker 1: a great story. But also when I play a lawyer,
Speaker 1: I'm in here and make up for two hours. I
Speaker 1: never ever get recognized because an no money. But also
Speaker 1: be like I they beat Mufface and like like for
Speaker 1: any part, and it's sometimes I'm like, is that always
Speaker 1: going to be the thing I have to do? Because
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows I hear, I hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying. I think that like yeah, I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it's just what move what moves? Of course, me like
Speaker 1: a gay man, like just loving the like I love
Speaker 1: actresses acting all the time. But it's for me, it's
Speaker 1: just like the second season, like I really thought I
Speaker 1: thought the first scene was Wisden was great and the
Speaker 1: second season it's fantastic. UM And I really thought they
Speaker 1: that the way that they handled to me two storyline
Speaker 1: was very interesting because if if you remember, UM, you
Speaker 1: know your character sort of says like what the fun
Speaker 1: which is? Which is it? You know? You know you
Speaker 1: you see it even now on Big Little Lies with
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep's character and the way that she deals with
Speaker 1: question Okay, you will absolutely be on the floor. Um.
Speaker 1: It's it's like very big little lines like it is
Speaker 1: comically it's like it's like overdrawn, but I want them
Speaker 1: to be literally eating the walls. Yeah, but did you
Speaker 1: correct me? Biting? But like, um, yeah, this so interesting
Speaker 1: that like, um, your character was like that's what this
Speaker 1: is when she rebuffs um, the advances of an executive right.
Speaker 1: So that was such like a it almost to me,
Speaker 1: like really showed like this is like a psychology thing
Speaker 1: that's been in many women for so long. It's not
Speaker 1: like we all like even thought this could be different.
Speaker 1: This is a psychology. This is a thing that has
Speaker 1: been great. I think that that's something that our show
Speaker 1: does well that I feel like there's this trend happening
Speaker 1: where we really want to talk about erasure, like erase
Speaker 1: um like have the outwardly moaha haa characters be the
Speaker 1: ones who are racist and sexist and have everyone else
Speaker 1: have only scenes to be like that guy is wrong
Speaker 1: and the end where it's in the groundwater Like I'm
Speaker 1: sure if you in any of our parents or any generate,
Speaker 1: like anyone over forty or thirty like with interviewed for
Speaker 1: a long time, they'd say things where like, oh, don't
Speaker 1: say that, um, and I think we're doing ourselves a
Speaker 1: disservice to write scenes that are it's it's just washing
Speaker 1: away the fact that there's a there's a racist, sexist
Speaker 1: person in every single brain, no matter how big or
Speaker 1: small that person is, and it's about killing that person
Speaker 1: and be honest about that person in your own brain.
Speaker 1: It's it's its own it's its own delusion to write,
Speaker 1: you know, right too moralistic things where you know these
Speaker 1: characters have continant world views with yours. It's like no,
Speaker 1: it's like just yeah. Part of me watching it was
Speaker 1: like there was there was an instinct to me when Mark,
Speaker 1: when Mark's character, Mark Marin's character was like fuck that guy,
Speaker 1: I was like, are we letting this kind of white
Speaker 1: guy like be the one to be like fuck him? Right?
Speaker 1: Right then? I was like, I actually think it's just
Speaker 1: a more truthful, sort of very character driven thing for
Speaker 1: Debbie to be like what the fuck? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with the baggage between them, and I
Speaker 1: kind of was like, I think it's really dynamic and
Speaker 1: interesting what they did. Yeah, I loved it. It's it's perfect. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's time for I
Speaker 1: don't think. Okay, so this is my enough, you know,
Speaker 1: but this is our segment that we do. And by
Speaker 1: the way, we should say we are going to be
Speaker 1: on tour. Yes, we announced for new dates. Are you
Speaker 1: in Orlando, Queen? Do I go to Orlando? Or do
Speaker 1: you let you to enjoy the parks the park experiences.
Speaker 1: I know that you're very pro Disney. I've never been
Speaker 1: to Disneyland. I would love for you to some days.
Speaker 1: Honestly we should go see the next time. The next
Speaker 1: time you're in l A and I'm in l A,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go because also a lot of cool new
Speaker 1: stuff will be open, like Star Wars Galaxy's Edge, and
Speaker 1: also we can go over to Universal Stity Is Hollywood
Speaker 1: and do the new Dost Jurassic World the Ride. Bryce
Speaker 1: Dallas Howard and Chris Pratt have film new se iconic
Speaker 1: Bryce Dallas who I'm going to say, what star star?
Speaker 1: But actress I've a sign star? I think? Can I
Speaker 1: say something about Bryce Dallas, Bryce Stallas Howard, you never
Speaker 1: every time every time she's on screen, I'm like this
Speaker 1: is crazy. I was like, this is like, this is
Speaker 1: crazy because you would never like pick Bryce Styllas Howard.
Speaker 1: But then you do, hear me, But then you start
Speaker 1: watching her and you're like the choices, Yeah, the theatric
Speaker 1: coge never pick Bryce Stallas because every time, like for example,
Speaker 1: for Bryce Stallas Howard to be the lead of Jurassic
Speaker 1: World the films, it's like kind of cookie because you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna go for like someone like a Jennifer Lawrence,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You think they're gonna go
Speaker 1: for someone that's like Bryce Stallas Howard like she, but
Speaker 1: then I don't know. She's got the iconic carecut. She
Speaker 1: makes choices every single time. And the help is you
Speaker 1: are obsessed with the blunt bang. Hi, I love the
Speaker 1: well we should just know producer Emma just came embroidered. Look,
Speaker 1: but anyway, I'm talking about Bryce Dallas Howard, So sit down,
Speaker 1: shut up to it, all right. So, so Bryce Dallas Howard,
Speaker 1: I feel like I watched her in Rocketman. Did you
Speaker 1: see a Rocketman? No? I haven't yet. You gotta go.
Speaker 1: It's good and I have PTSD from Bohemian Rhapsody. But
Speaker 1: brocket Man is good. But anyway, um, Bryce Dallas is
Speaker 1: in it being a cartoon villain, but we love and
Speaker 1: Bryce Dallas. Never forget Slade Black Mirror. It's actually real
Speaker 1: culture number sixty six, Slade Black Mirror. And also I
Speaker 1: think it is the cardinal sin of Jurassic World fall
Speaker 1: on Kingdom that she wasn't in a more chopped bang
Speaker 1: and a higher heel. They gave her a ponytail and
Speaker 1: a flat I said the iconic moment in Jurassic World
Speaker 1: was her running from the t Rex in the heels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you see Jurassic World. We can't. We can't argue that.
Speaker 1: Like she also has had the resume like she was
Speaker 1: in Spider Man three, like she's done a big blockbuster movie,
Speaker 1: because she's not like yeah, well, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: think it's I love it. I'm not saying I don't
Speaker 1: like it. I'm saying it's like, whoa this? You would
Speaker 1: never pick her? Like, yeah you would, She's she's been
Speaker 1: a draw like she's whatever. Can I say one thing? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: say whatever you want very quick. I feel like people
Speaker 1: like show people, weird people, people who were you know,
Speaker 1: clowney Hammy. I'm not making assumptions about no, you know,
Speaker 1: we're kids who were like that and realized they had
Speaker 1: that like like a dark ham person inside them, and
Speaker 1: then realize, like middle school, high school, this my experience
Speaker 1: sounds Oh that's not gonna like fly. I gotta suppress
Speaker 1: that part and just swallow that, keep that down, perch
Speaker 1: myself on like the arm of this couch and just
Speaker 1: try to enjoy you watching video games and try to
Speaker 1: get through this party or whatever and suppress, suppress, press
Speaker 1: And then for me in theater school, after like whatever,
Speaker 1: swallowing that part of me for so long, finding people
Speaker 1: who were like I went out to get John produced
Speaker 1: the first day of Fordham Theater with uh, my first
Speaker 1: gay friend, Brenda Norton, and we went to John and
Speaker 1: he was wearing overalls and a flower crown. Um. We
Speaker 1: tried each other's smoothies. This is so weird. Tried each
Speaker 1: other smoothies and in the same gremlin voice said, I
Speaker 1: like mine, and I burst into tears when someone, when
Speaker 1: you find someone and when that part of you is like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm still here. I know like you muffled me for
Speaker 1: so long and I didn't fit at that keg party
Speaker 1: for so or or the stick or trading in middle
Speaker 1: school or whatever. But like, I'm here and if you
Speaker 1: water me with the right people, like I can be
Speaker 1: the best thing about being alive. And I think that
Speaker 1: that I'm so sorry. I think that that's why I
Speaker 1: love your podcast so much. It's clear that you guys
Speaker 1: found each other and that you're doing exactly what you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And I'm just I'm just feel
Speaker 1: like I need to like pull you over on the
Speaker 1: road to greatness and going the exact right way. Can
Speaker 1: we check him? This is unreal? Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for that? Can I I can't? Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question though? How proud are you a writer? But
Speaker 1: that's that's what reminded me. Like last night we were
Speaker 1: we were just saying, like I remember John Eally on
Speaker 1: Seek Treatment was talking about he and Kate Berlant what
Speaker 1: it feels like to hang out with her after a
Speaker 1: long time, just but like he was like, they'll laugh
Speaker 1: and be like, oh finally a real laugh like writer,
Speaker 1: And I I was like, if my brain is a
Speaker 1: house with you, I don't need to worry about vacuuming
Speaker 1: or putting up, Like I just prop open the doors,
Speaker 1: like let the bees fly. It like it just we're
Speaker 1: we don't we basically don't use English with each other
Speaker 1: and cry last I mean, it's so good finding your people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put the code over when you're going past the bones. Yea,
Speaker 1: and yeah keep the track open. You don't stand Kylie
Speaker 1: too long. I've learned Church. It is so church, not
Speaker 1: a front dark horse for title of Okay, I feel
Speaker 1: like magasine magic is it? Um? That is very meaningful.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, and I really mean it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't even know what to do
Speaker 1: with it. I'm going to dine out on this to myself. No,
Speaker 1: he's going to tell a lot of people. He's gonna
Speaker 1: get on the press, he's going to get on his
Speaker 1: Instagram story. No one's gonna listen to it. Oh my god. Anyway,
Speaker 1: well that was gorgeous. I feel like, now we're going
Speaker 1: to do I don't think something I'm I'm not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's you know, the people, non comedians you've had on
Speaker 1: that stage come up and do better than any of
Speaker 1: the comedians. I'm so plus you are the moment in
Speaker 1: the last episode of Glee season two where like Glee,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, culture number hundred Glow? What was the
Speaker 1: moment in Glow? In Glow Um, Netflix is Glow. So
Speaker 1: there's Horatio Stands is like telling them like all about
Speaker 1: how they're going to go to Las Vegas. That he
Speaker 1: just goes, I'm sorry, who is this guy? Who are you?
Speaker 1: It was so funny and he's like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: like my friend and he's like, oh, okay, sorry, And
Speaker 1: then there was music too that cut out and came
Speaker 1: back in so funny. You get like, I'm not done.
Speaker 1: Do you get to watch it before that you goes
Speaker 1: on Netflix? You being the star of it? Yes, they
Speaker 1: sent it out to all of us on like a
Speaker 1: little secret link um and I this is the first
Speaker 1: time I've ever done this where I watched season three
Speaker 1: and in the final episode I had a sit on
Speaker 1: my forehead that was people have died trying to climate.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was casting a shot. I can't And
Speaker 1: I emailed them being like, can't do we have time
Speaker 1: to touch this? It was visible in low yeah, oh yeah, no.
Speaker 1: The moment I remember being like, Betty plut your shoulders down,
Speaker 1: no one can see no, honestly, go eliminate the checkpoints.
Speaker 1: Just be And I was like this is a career,
Speaker 1: and they retouched it and I watched it again. It's gone.
Speaker 1: Here's my skin looks perfect. In episode ten, I was
Speaker 1: having a cystic, horrific break out. Wait, this is crazy
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, so you're able to email them and
Speaker 1: they take that out and you're telling me that no
Speaker 1: one noticed those coffee cups and Game of Thrones. I
Speaker 1: think it's on purpose. They're too scared of those actors.
Speaker 1: I think they run that show and for some on
Speaker 1: like a twenty three year old with a headset being like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're ready to roll. You gonna keep drinking like I
Speaker 1: think they're probably like I'll drink when I want. And
Speaker 1: I not that they're assholes. It's just like Familia Clark.
Speaker 1: She's in character as an heiress for all for all.
Speaker 1: You know, she could say drekars and it could be
Speaker 1: over about oh my god. Well, okay, one more thing.
Speaker 1: Did you shoot the whole season? She's three in Vegas? Okay,
Speaker 1: in l A. And then we drove out to Ontario,
Speaker 1: California for the exteriors. Okay, okay, because I think probably
Speaker 1: nothing looks like Vegas, that's true. Yeah, yeah, Vegas now
Speaker 1: is very Vegas. Now, so that's the big turn. Remember
Speaker 1: they're going to go to Vegas at the end of it.
Speaker 1: And now I love it because I just I just
Speaker 1: rewatched it and now it's going to be back like
Speaker 1: in truly minute. I love and I I discovered you
Speaker 1: on the show, but I had been a bree head
Speaker 1: for quite a long time and we were so excited
Speaker 1: for Sunita. Yes, and this season, I can tell she's
Speaker 1: going to get along. Yes she is. You know, it's
Speaker 1: really an all both rising season. I love that. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's the especially also shout out to Chris Lowell because
Speaker 1: he is quietly slaying on that show and has been
Speaker 1: what he has been really great for a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, he's great. I'm gonna cherry pick. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: cherry pick and say that it's this is like a
Speaker 1: straight actor playing a gay character that I'm like, cool
Speaker 1: because I bought, you know, because it's it's I don't
Speaker 1: even know the words, but it feels right to me.
Speaker 1: Like and also like I thought maybe I was making
Speaker 1: that up for a second season. I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't think, but maybe yes. And then this storyline with
Speaker 1: the you know, spoiler alert, but his best friend and
Speaker 1: Butler passes away of complications to AIDS. And the last
Speaker 1: scene and when he's when you can tell there's still
Speaker 1: the panic about AIDS and he has someone come over
Speaker 1: and clean the house and he's crying by the pool,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that is what that looked and felt
Speaker 1: like to have that moment and to not even really
Speaker 1: express and yeah, at least at that stage of that
Speaker 1: character's sort of journey, it's like he wouldn't really even
Speaker 1: like have the language to like it's at that time
Speaker 1: and the tunnel vision into that marriage, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Just like the kind of there's and such
Speaker 1: good acting there was really Oh my god, I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: I was There's an episode where I was standing up
Speaker 1: and screaming at my TV. Wow boys, Wow, and I'm
Speaker 1: gen and Miss Gina it's gonna be on. We cannot believe.
Speaker 1: I love this show. It's so good. Okay, anyway, so
Speaker 1: now we're gonna get that. I don't think Foy, but
Speaker 1: I wasn't done talking about Glee. Um another iconic show.
Speaker 1: Yes about the large cast. O, Hey, I do have something.
Speaker 1: I do something, man. It's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: twist on the floor which we love and stand. We
Speaker 1: love and stand. This is Mount Rogers. I don't think
Speaker 1: so many as time starts now. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: me on a plane, Okay, I'm disgusting. I am rude,
Speaker 1: I am short tempered, and I am loud. Here is
Speaker 1: how all those things happen. I am that bitch that
Speaker 1: takes my shoes off on the plane, even if it's
Speaker 1: a short flight. Honeyton and took it. I took my
Speaker 1: kickers off and put my piggies on the ground. I
Speaker 1: am the person who not bear with a sock. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter when you've been wearing your sock for
Speaker 1: a day. Oh they didn't smell grade. Also, I walked
Speaker 1: to the bathroom in my socks and use the bathroom
Speaker 1: in my socks. Couldn't be about to put my shoes on.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Me on a plane that
Speaker 1: is disgusting. I don't think so, honey. The fact that
Speaker 1: I am rude on a plane. I had to get
Speaker 1: up and check my bag for some thing. The flight
Speaker 1: attendant said it has to be quick, and I said,
Speaker 1: without thinking, no kidding, that was doing your job. I
Speaker 1: don't make so honey, me. I am a bitch on
Speaker 1: a plane. I don't think me. I am loud, my
Speaker 1: headphones absolutely blair. I am always watching the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is clueless. Watched the same film sometimes twice in
Speaker 1: a row. It comforts me. I'm not a good flyer.
Speaker 1: I don't mink so handing me on a plane. Chill out.
Speaker 1: Take a VI Take a Zadaxe and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Take a Vike. Take no, no, no no, I didn't mean
Speaker 1: Viking Max. Next. My best flight experience. I took half
Speaker 1: his annex, passed out, woke up, didn't have to didn't
Speaker 1: have time to take my shoes off and be grosser.
Speaker 1: That's dreaming me next time. Just do you dreaming me?
Speaker 1: And they'll sell out the airport promotions. But it kind
Speaker 1: of is drowsy, and so you'll The thing is, I'm
Speaker 1: not a good flyer, and so I do all my
Speaker 1: creature comforts to make sure I'm okay. I also always
Speaker 1: drink alcohol on a plane. Yeah, it's like a thing
Speaker 1: I like, I will knock back to I p a
Speaker 1: s in the in the airport, and then I'll get
Speaker 1: on there and I'll drink like a bloody Mary in
Speaker 1: the sky. Like I'm on drapery great in the sky,
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's punning me on a plane,
Speaker 1: and I've been on a lot lately and it's not good.
Speaker 1: The shoes worry me because okay, this is so. This
Speaker 1: is my friend last year had a mouset his pants
Speaker 1: leg on a plane. The mouse is in the air.
Speaker 1: The mouse was thirty three k high, and to save
Speaker 1: the plane, he was like, I need to be quiet
Speaker 1: and I need to not talk about this for three months.
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait, so the mouse traveled up.
Speaker 1: Did he get it out? He just shook us like
Speaker 1: a little bit calmly. No, decided not to talk about
Speaker 1: it for a while. Oh my god, I would say
Speaker 1: what I probably would have done? Wow? Yeah, what would
Speaker 1: I have done? Because it would you learn to flight attendant.
Speaker 1: This is a very If you're not on good terms
Speaker 1: with that, your credit score needs to be hot. Truly,
Speaker 1: my credit score is about two D the air honestly,
Speaker 1: like my social credits door. But I literally I heard, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is what happened, and this is a w
Speaker 1: W y D what would you do? Yes? Um, So
Speaker 1: I heard what had to be a cooler tip over
Speaker 1: above me, and I said, I heard the ice go
Speaker 1: and I heard the water rush, and I said to
Speaker 1: myself in I said to myself out lout of the window,
Speaker 1: I said, well that was ice. Well that was water
Speaker 1: and ice. And the woman next to me said, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it might just be the plane.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm so sorry, I'm crazy. Can you just
Speaker 1: move out of the way real quick so I can
Speaker 1: look up there and just make sure. She goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's probably fine. I was like, I know, I'm just annoying.
Speaker 1: And I went up there and the flight attendant said,
Speaker 1: so you need to be in your seat. And we
Speaker 1: were on the tarmac, not having taken off yet, nothing,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just didn't check my bag.
Speaker 1: She goes, it needs to be quick, and I got
Speaker 1: no kidding, and it was I'm not was the ice? No,
Speaker 1: the bad was fine. It's a mystery what it was.
Speaker 1: It was a ghost, okay, it was an ice ghost.
Speaker 1: A whole buyer's story about finding little piece of dried
Speaker 1: poop in the in the blanket. Wo sorry, so this
Speaker 1: will actually be Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Verizon Fio, specifically the technician whose name was Ian who
Speaker 1: came into my house and like talked down to me
Speaker 1: like I was a fool, and I was like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: like trust me, like I've done all the work here,
Speaker 1: like just I've done the speed test, like I like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a I'm like a dilettant when it
Speaker 1: comes to this. But I was like, it's bad, It's bad,
Speaker 1: it's bad. And he was like kind of like putting
Speaker 1: the moves on me shut and I think he was
Speaker 1: like trying to funk and I was like oh. And
Speaker 1: then what he did was I'm in a post private
Speaker 1: browsing with my porn on my phone, and so he
Speaker 1: at one point he goes, let's test, let's test the connection.
Speaker 1: Give me your phone and it was like okay, and
Speaker 1: I gave it to him. And then he goes on
Speaker 1: my browser and starts typing, s, I forget what some
Speaker 1: speed test things, speed test dot com whatever. S. First
Speaker 1: thing that pops up is Seawan Cody and then he
Speaker 1: which is a gay porn sight and he five seconds
Speaker 1: he stops and he goes hm and keeps t and
Speaker 1: like it was truly embarrassing and humiliating. I don't think
Speaker 1: that was not really. That was not really I don't
Speaker 1: think so many. But it was just like me kind
Speaker 1: of retelling this harrowing tale with this technician. He was
Speaker 1: like kind of like trying to funk and and then
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, wow, what makes you think he
Speaker 1: was t two f He was just I'm me up
Speaker 1: and down. No, I can't do it to me. I
Speaker 1: can't because I'm bad at just doing this to anybody.
Speaker 1: When it's like what I want to do, I can't
Speaker 1: do it. He was just like, oh that was really sexual,
Speaker 1: and he and like and I'm just gonna say the
Speaker 1: man had a lot of rings on. It was like
Speaker 1: very and like had like a little the man had
Speaker 1: a lot of rings on and like, okay, bash. It
Speaker 1: was not a bash. It was just like this is
Speaker 1: like the stuff was a line. It was all aligning
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this is my night. And
Speaker 1: he didn't even fucking fix it in my internet still bad.
Speaker 1: I thought it didn't even sucking suck me. He didn't
Speaker 1: and he didn't even suck me. It was it was
Speaker 1: not and it was not I was not. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: well that sucks, all right, versing FiOS is Ian. You've
Speaker 1: been read to filp and read to filth anyway, and
Speaker 1: the question is what will Betty Gilpin read again? Stop now,
Speaker 1: this is your This is going to be transcendentating the checkpoints, checkpoints,
Speaker 1: keeping the jone trapped door open. This is Betty Gilpin's
Speaker 1: I don't think so many her time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Using teen trendy empowerment as an
Speaker 1: invisibility cloak for self promotion. Testing your I am dB
Speaker 1: credits are not a step forward for humanity. Did not
Speaker 1: become an actor because you just love humans and you
Speaker 1: want humans to do well. Became an actor because you
Speaker 1: want you to do that's helpful. Going to Africa and
Speaker 1: helping He's something that helps no one being on a multicamp.
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. The commercialization of female insecurity, like
Speaker 1: the blushing and the don't look over, heres to the
Speaker 1: people who actually struggle with self hatred. I give leave
Speaker 1: me something. I don't want to see you taking thousand selfies,
Speaker 1: white knuckling it to the top of the mountain, getting
Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain and being like, who me,
Speaker 1: how did I get here? I'm looking at you, Taylors,
Speaker 1: Oh my god started Wow fucking love that. Okay. And
Speaker 1: you know what, when you guys were talking to the
Speaker 1: beginning about the hashtag right reasons to use Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: speaking yes, I kind of got in my head. I
Speaker 1: was like, am I doing this for the reason? Maybe?
Speaker 1: And you know what, sometimes the podcast, no just like
Speaker 1: just this in general, just just show biz, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I'm like, dang, I'm I'm a fraud,
Speaker 1: aren't it? But that's like, so do it for validation?
Speaker 1: We just don't. We just say, don't pretend. Don't pretend.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Taylor ms Swift And I
Speaker 1: actually liked that song on the calm Down song you
Speaker 1: need to Calm Down, until I heard the shade thing
Speaker 1: and I was like that seems a little strange. And
Speaker 1: then the playing at stonewall of it all really pushed
Speaker 1: me over the edge. I was like, see, now this
Speaker 1: is a co opting moment. This is where you are
Speaker 1: just kind of centering yourself on it. But like, also
Speaker 1: truly like the Taylor's the Swifty hate that you you
Speaker 1: especially got to be honest, I didn't get too much.
Speaker 1: I got I got it from the specific people. This
Speaker 1: one person who came for me and l yeah, racially
Speaker 1: attacked Joel for saying his father doesn't love him and
Speaker 1: because you're an adopted child, blah blah blah blah, then
Speaker 1: coming to me and being like, must well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I did a cover of Gay Rights featuring and Dowd,
Speaker 1: which is one is my song, which is a mad song,
Speaker 1: so I do it's a yes, Betty, Oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's do a cover. Oh my god, incredible. And when
Speaker 1: Swifty comes after me and I know I saw I
Speaker 1: didn't like and goes, wow, y'all are bored. Hant I go,
Speaker 1: thanks for the quote. I was like, not really starting.
Speaker 1: I was just like kind of like, I see you,
Speaker 1: not like insulting her or anything. And then she's just like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you. I guess. I guess it's I guess
Speaker 1: verified but irrelevant Twitter life must must be, must be boring.
Speaker 1: I'm like, must pay the bill somehow. I was like,
Speaker 1: I told her, was like, I have multiple revenue streams
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with the way that you've
Speaker 1: chosen to interact with me on this. These people, I
Speaker 1: look around in public spaces and I'm like, is it you?
Speaker 1: Is it you? I know? And the crazy thing is
Speaker 1: they are out there in droves. Yes, but it's like
Speaker 1: this blind like do you love a diva so a
Speaker 1: songstress so much that you would like go out of
Speaker 1: your way on the internet to like, sorry Kelly, but
Speaker 1: I would never ruin someone's life in the name of
Speaker 1: Kelly because I know that she wouldn't want me to
Speaker 1: do that. I celebrate the gospel, Kelly, come on, I
Speaker 1: don't tell. And also Kelly would get on her Twitter
Speaker 1: and clap clap down, and that's why hasn't really done
Speaker 1: that yet. No, here's the thing, And look, you can't
Speaker 1: just come out as first of all, it's privileged to
Speaker 1: even say I'm going to play Stonewall. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like what It's like, what was the process there? Also,
Speaker 1: you've done truly nothing for the gay community at all.
Speaker 1: She's donated. I mean, you know what, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say, she's not done nothing. But it's just funny. However,
Speaker 1: Man's like has done that. She really drove a lot
Speaker 1: of donations to GLAD, Like, okay, great Glad, we love GLAD.
Speaker 1: But it's of course it's a media organization that like counts,
Speaker 1: like engagement with like gay media. Like I think there's
Speaker 1: a thing where you have like when you're a successful woman,
Speaker 1: the only way that all of society is going to
Speaker 1: accept you is if you also play into this like
Speaker 1: underdog narrative and I hate myself and why am I here?
Speaker 1: And it's hard to get and keep an underdog narrative
Speaker 1: when you're insanely successure. So I think she's trying to
Speaker 1: attach herself to a cause or an underdog narrative to
Speaker 1: be like, see, I'm still you can still from still
Speaker 1: a cause to be rooted for. It's not zero sum.
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think it's like I think. I
Speaker 1: think it's good that she is like kind of like
Speaker 1: modeling a new version of Ally ship in. But it's
Speaker 1: just like they're just these little little holes that I
Speaker 1: keep I keep I I keep poking into like the tailor,
Speaker 1: like the fandom of it all. Just be like wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, look, every Ally, it's always good to have allies,
Speaker 1: And if anyone wants to step forward and say they're
Speaker 1: an Ally, that's amazing. I support them. But like you
Speaker 1: have to with her, understand, But it's always a business.
Speaker 1: But with what bas thing, which is like yeah the
Speaker 1: whip saw on all this is that she's so successful,
Speaker 1: but then she still needs to like kind of cultivate
Speaker 1: something water, something that's that's tough, that's tough, like Goga
Speaker 1: on the Star is Born Tour like she's someone who
Speaker 1: I look to to be like how what does believing
Speaker 1: in yourself and giving no fox look? And then the
Speaker 1: Oscar to it felt all of a sudden like whoa,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm here. Gee willockers me like will
Speaker 1: yeah your way here? Yeah you as someone who lives
Speaker 1: in g is mired and g Willaker, I need to
Speaker 1: get out of it and learn how to get out
Speaker 1: of it, like it's the only way that all of
Speaker 1: society is going to except a woman. That is something
Speaker 1: Beyonce does well because she's fully She's fully out there,
Speaker 1: like this is a documentary about how an Apple in
Speaker 1: four Months, which has its problematic ship where it's lying,
Speaker 1: but it's like Beyonce is literally like she will never
Speaker 1: show up and say she'll barely say thank you. She'll
Speaker 1: she shows up and she says m which I love
Speaker 1: with the Gaga Star is Born of it all, what
Speaker 1: I choose to believe is that she is. She was.
Speaker 1: You know, her whole career is about performing fame, and
Speaker 1: for this stage in her career, she was performing in
Speaker 1: the like yes, the Yeah, the Star is Born narratives
Speaker 1: Starlett who's just like and my and it couldn't have
Speaker 1: done it without that man, like that's like such a
Speaker 1: it's such a fun juicy, like ridiculous thing. And Bradley
Speaker 1: Mark like just so funny. And also the dichotomy between
Speaker 1: the performances of Shallow by herself and the performances of
Speaker 1: Shallow with him, like gingerly holding each other's fingertips as
Speaker 1: she glides up the stage of the Oscars and turns
Speaker 1: to face him while he flatly sings that first first
Speaker 1: and then like sweeps her gown and sits on the piano,
Speaker 1: and Middley sings meanwhile at the Grammy and she's like,
Speaker 1: she's like fully like screaming, I'm likely Lady Garga. Yes,
Speaker 1: she had to play the part that she there was.
Speaker 1: She was a small town girl that they plucked out
Speaker 1: of nowhere for the film. You were playing the stadiums
Speaker 1: for Wow, And honestly, here we all just did a
Speaker 1: collective I don't think so, Honey, we dad, We don't think.
Speaker 1: We don't think. It was so so amazing to have
Speaker 1: you here. I mean, like you know now, but and
Speaker 1: you've known before, but we couldn't be bigger fans. And
Speaker 1: now I feel the same. Oh my god, we try.
Speaker 1: I cried. I left my body. I left my body.
Speaker 1: In fact Um season three of Treason, I almost said,
Speaker 1: as a joke, season again, but like it's no joke.
Speaker 1: Glee has been canceled for years. Glow is still on,
Speaker 1: Honey and it's coming back on August nine. Patty Gilpin,
Speaker 1: love you guys, Thank you so much. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: We we will do. We'll sing a quick little song.
Speaker 1: Did you finish every every um episode with a song? Jill?
Speaker 1: Miss something girl Fine. This has been a Forever Dog
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