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Speaker 1: wouldn't have like overcome her fear of the dinosaur right

426
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: just actually looked at it. It's like no, like sometimes

427
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: you just know those things are scary. Sometimes you just

428
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: get get out of get yourself out of that space.

429
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's also hard for me, And

430
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: I wonder if this for you me fake knowing you

431
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: guys through listening to all your podcast episodes because we're

432
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: out of here. For me, hard to navigate, Um, what

433
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: come in my life and especially career wise, like what

434
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: comes from shame and what comes from Oh, I just

435
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: don't want to do that part like uh, like um,

436
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: like having a public Instagram. I don't have a public Instagram,

437
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, Okay, are you hiding or are you

438
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: just not wanting to do that? Is it like ten

439
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: year old terrified Betty or is it like sixteen year

440
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: old with a camel lighting around me? Like I'm not

441
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: thinking to do no, But that's something that I think

442
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: about all the time, is like, why do I put

443
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: so much effort into the instagram what I mean for

444
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: comedian For comedians it's different, but it's it's sort of

445
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: that same thing where it's like, well, to be totally honest, like,

446
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't think either of us ever thought, well, we'll

447
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: be out here as a personality, Like I never thought

448
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: everyone wouldn't like I kind of why when I was young,

449
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: I had like those kind of dreams of like I'll

450
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: be an actor, like that's what I wanted to do

451
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: and still want to do. I mean, I don't think

452
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: those things are super interchangeable now, but it is that

453
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 1: thing of like the comments section can be rough, and

454
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: then I think the monster are not monster the dinosaur

455
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: and the lobby for me is probably like feeling like

456
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: people are going to decide they hate me before they

457
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: know what I can do, because we've decided to kind

458
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: of come at it from a personality standpoint. So I

459
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: think the fact that you don't have like a public

460
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: Instagram or like like out there just kind of like

461
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: headlines headlines. It's probably it's fine because at the end

462
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: of the day. It's like that just shows like you

463
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: care about the work so much and you put so

464
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: much into the work, and it shows and you're right

465
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 1: that that stuff can get in the way of creating

466
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: good material. I mean, it really can, or just I mean,

467
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's prevalent in a certain city that

468
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: you and I am that it's that I watch people's

469
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: brains just leave, just go, because I do also think

470
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: that also, Yes, the part where you're just creating work

471
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: with just you and your friends is so fun, but

472
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: it's also painful. You feel invisible and like you're like

473
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: why is that person being seen by the world and

474
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: that or whatever. That's a bitter way to look at it.

475
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: But there's so many times, Yeah, there's so many times

476
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: where you just feel so small and so like, oh man,

477
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: this is like trotting my soul out and putting tap

478
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: shoes on, or like this is this hurts today because

479
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: no one wants it. And then when it's accepted, that

480
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: validation hit is. So you're like, okay, if whatever it

481
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,719
Speaker 1: takes to continue this feeling. And I think, like something

482
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: that I love about theater and that I love about

483
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: your guys, this podcast is like it's a constant. One

484
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: foot is in the river of like maybe this is

485
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: all a joke, Like life is a joke. Look under

486
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: the carpet there's maggots. Isn't that hilarious? And then another

487
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: foot in the river of I believe in magic, Like

488
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: this world so beautiful, let's sing like this is you know,

489
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: there's a magic circus underbelly to everything, and there's maggots

490
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: under there. But look, they're sparkles under here. And I

491
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: feel like those are both involved risk and being like

492
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: alter whatever, and I think it's so easy to realize. Oh,

493
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: validation feels so good. I'm going to move away from

494
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: the alt weird stuff and just into this like center

495
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: circle being of like not listening and having vocal frying

496
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: my jokes not being funny anymore. Yeah, this sort of

497
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: idea of like, um, nothing matters, it's all fake, so

498
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: let's have fun, right. It exists a lot less in

499
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. There is a lot more cynicism there because

500
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: you like, it's a little darker, you know what I mean.

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: As lovely as it isn't, as much as I love

502
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 1: being there, it is a little darker. And I think

503
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: it's because everyone is very close to an industry that

504
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: is like famously tough. It's like they kind of some

505
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: It's almost like there's like a pleasure in the pain,

506
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, where it's like I feel

507
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: lucky because we have had a community to like sort

508
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: of develop in and it has luckily been like a

509
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: loving community where and this is so bizarre to even

510
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: say now, but I do kind of like I think

511
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: that the rise of this sort of like joy and

512
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: comedy at least, and we are our experience and drag

513
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: sort of come together. Like I didn't understand this whole

514
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing of like everything's fake until I heard

515
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: RuPaul say everything's fake, right. I was like, wait, oh

516
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: my god, Yes, that's what drag is. It's what I'm doing,

517
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: You're doing, You're doing. It's like we're all kind of

518
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: pretending to be these things. And sometimes I think that

519
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: can it's interesting to see that idea becomes so mainstream

520
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and so beloved because it directly um sort of conflicts

521
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: with this industry, you know what I mean. I mean,

522
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's why the camp theme at the met

523
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: Ball was so they still miss the market. They couldn't

524
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,959
Speaker 1: say this is all a joke, because it's if if

525
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: we're saying it's all a joke, then that's their bible.

526
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: The met ball is the thing, and you can't be

527
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: like this doesn't matter. And you also can't be like

528
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: and it's magic, because magic is too vulnerable and big

529
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: of a choice. It's this tautologically flawed thing where it's

530
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: like the met balls, people taking themselves seriously in camp

531
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: is about celebrating bad taste and not you know, not

532
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: taking yourself right. But Betty's describing with like maggots or magic.

533
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: It's like that's like not to be all like Brinie

534
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: like Brinie Brown and ship, but like that that's like

535
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: full Like that's I think that is like the definition

536
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: of vulnerability, of just not knowing what the outcome of

537
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: something will be, like every day being like a Schrodinger's

538
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: kind of like either the cat's alive or the cat's

539
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: debt in this box, I don't know. I'm coming into

540
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: the situation not knowing, right, And like that's kind of

541
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: what's like missing from maybe this other city where people

542
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: are just like thinking they can hack the system to

543
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: be like, well, I know what, I know that the

544
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: cats dead and so I'm gonna bitch about the capping dead.

545
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: It's just it does like a sense of humor is

546
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: a little bit different there. It's like it's fine and

547
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: this is not a read. I've just noticed that like

548
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: sometimes like in in like in interactions I have with people,

549
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: the sense of humor will be a little bit more

550
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: not mean, but like it's a little bit more like

551
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's a little bit there's

552
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: a little bit more ship talks, which is like, you know,

553
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: like I lightly participated in every now and then we're

554
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: all fun, but it's like it's like it's it's just

555
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't do you I don't experience it here that

556
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: did you did you want? Did you watch Nicole Silverbriog's

557
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: video on Twitter? The video which jokes jokes and every

558
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: movie are these and then it's just like super kind

559
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: of herd just like talking to the camera and it's

560
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: just jokes that are like let's go shopping. Yeah, no,

561
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I get to say that. You don't get to say that.

562
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: I get to say that, or that. It's it's like

563
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: these non jokes that are like, um, don't bring up

564
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the hair. It's a high and it's like all these

565
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: like kind of pseudo. It's not they're not actual joke,

566
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: but it's like that's like what, that's what some people's

567
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: idea of. No, that's okay. Another reason that I clung

568
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: to your podcast was I feel like I was in

569
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: that world so hard of this. There's this thing. This

570
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: is the first time in my lifehere I've had to

571
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: do press for stuff, and it is a world of

572
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: people treating not funny people like they're comedians. Say something

573
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: like sorry, I'm sorry. I was like it was raining outside,

574
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm soaking wet, and people are like, oh my god,

575
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: you're rounding. Don't hilarious, Queen. That wasn't Or once I

576
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: answered the door for hair and makeup in like a

577
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: sheet mass and I opened the door and it was

578
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: as if I did fifteen minutes, like like I'm George

579
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: car like they were laid down in the hallway. I

580
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: was like, this is not what yes, And so when

581
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: I first listened to your products like these a runny

582
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,000
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583
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: I have when you do go on those late night shows, yeah,

584
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: are they totally rehearsed beforehand and they like, this is

585
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: what you talk about then this, then this, I mean

586
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: not to shadow illusion, but I no, no, no. So

587
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: I've now done three late night talk shows and the

588
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: first to talk about checkpoints. It's like I did Colbert

589
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: and then Kimmel and um they and then I just

590
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: recently did Kimmel like last week. UM, and they do

591
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: they call you a couple of days before producers yeah

592
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: talking about yeah, and uh you kind of like trot

593
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: out your story to them and they're like, okay, tell

594
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: that one, okay, um, And you know I tried to.

595
00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: I also feel like in the theater um setting, they're

596
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: so like, you never talked about the result. You never

597
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: talked about the fact there's going to be an audience.

598
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: It's very like try try in the room and then

599
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, see what happens. It's so like quote unquote

600
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: not result based. And then like the silent like superstitious

601
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: thing is like and then there's going to be an

602
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: audience and that kind of thing talk shows or whatever.

603
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: And I'm sure joke writing it's you have to be

604
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: cognizant of the results because whatever. Um. But I tried

605
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: to for the first to be like la la la la,

606
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to know I'm pretending there's not a

607
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: segment producer. I'm pretending this isn't planned, and I'm just

608
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna like go and make it up as I go along.

609
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: And I did the first two and the third the

610
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: one I did last week, I was I had the

611
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: second I sat down, I was like, comments, section, there

612
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: are people poised over there keyboards. They've already said, look

613
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: at her ears. She deserves the death penalty. And it

614
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: was yes, And it didn't go great, Like it was fine,

615
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: but I was very nervous and it felt like that

616
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: feeling of the ten year old me being like, hey,

617
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: you're stage momming me into this and I don't want

618
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: to be here anymore. Um. And I told like a

619
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: story that was like important to me, and I was like, oh,

620
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: I wish i'd told this is why people tell fake stories,

621
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: because you're saving a part of yourself or whatever. So

622
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: I yeah, it just felt kind of like gross and sad.

623
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Well for what it's worth. I mean, I I didn't

624
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: see your most recent chemical appearance, but I thought you're

625
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: Colbert and your last chembal appearance I thought. I was

626
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: like this. I was like, this is like, this is

627
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: what these interviews used to be and like this is

628
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of perfect and anyway. But I think it's so

629
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: interesting that like the fact that you clocked that you

630
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: were telling yourself comment section and I'm stage I'm stage

631
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: momming this that doesn't want to be here, right, that's

632
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: crazy that you're putting the words this thing that I

633
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: feel all the time where I'm like, I am just

634
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: I always know the present, but not right the second

635
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: before something happens. I always know, but like it's so

636
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: funny moment where you go on stage or something like

637
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill or I'm going to be awful,

638
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: and so lately, over the past two years, I think

639
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit better at just being like,

640
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: even if that voice pops up, it's like, well, you

641
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: know that voice is gonna make you do badly, so

642
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: defeat it right now and I'll be better about that.

643
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: But sometimes you do. You're just getting that funking that

644
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: is so interesting. I think it's like a performer's instinct

645
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I know better, but we're here

646
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: and I'm a human and we're being very human out here.

647
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: Because there's an element of performance. You can work as

648
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: hard as you prepare there's it's just there's so much

649
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: up to chance and just what's in the air or

650
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, what part of your brain is asleep or await,

651
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: like if the right parts are asleep in a wake

652
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: and there's you can't control it. You can do things

653
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: to hurt it. But it's I mean, I'm so I'm

654
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I'm so terrified that something's going to happen. I'll read

655
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, I'll look, I'll meet the wrong where

656
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: the acting part will just fall out. Has that happened? Well?

657
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: There was like this American life about a baseball pitcher

658
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: who was like a World Series pitcher and one day

659
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: this is a great horrible and he just got so

660
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: in his head and he couldn't he could He's stop

661
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: being able to throw the ball to the house for

662
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: the rest of his life totally. Can you even know

663
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: it's going to know any time? This isn't like when

664
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: you were hurt I have done this, like oh God,

665
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: like this you know when come on No Judgment how

666
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: a big audition one and like had rehearsed relentlessly and

667
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: then you get out there and it's just like you

668
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: remember how big it is and you can either set

669
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: it's that fight or flight, and sometimes you just pick

670
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: that second thing. And it's sometimes I think it just

671
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: because that wasn't meant to be a thing. But you'll

672
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: always leave, especially audition experiences, you know what I mean,

673
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: because that is a high stakes thing. Are you auditioner? No? Um?

674
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: I now just I try to self tape whenever I can,

675
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: and I tape my iPhone to my window and tape

676
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: the sides next to the iPhone and record my own

677
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: voice with the other lines. Yes, and that's you've been

678
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: called on it. Like what it's the only time I've

679
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: booked off tape because I when someone else is there,

680
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, we can be done. That's fine. Yes, this

681
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: is this is the way to audition. You will book

682
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: constantly a because the window. Tape your phone to the window,

683
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: the sun blows out all the years of hard living

684
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: for those of us need it. And you literally tape

685
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: your sides here next to the phone and read them.

686
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: It looks like you are a hundred percent off. You

687
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: can't see the eyes reading. It's crazy. I've done like

688
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: monologues Webbon and then you just change your eyeline to

689
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: this page. I mean, it's it's that is huge to

690
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: know because honestly, I'm always like freaked out because I

691
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: can never get anyone to come over, like right, we

692
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: always usually do it together. But I would put you

693
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: guys on tape and I love it. But I would

694
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: be like the person to be like, Okay, well we

695
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: can just do too, and you know, I would just

696
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I do just kind of get crazy when there's an audience.

697
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: When there's an audience of just one, it's just me.

698
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: You're we're always yeah, but you give me like really

699
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: good feedback. And for some reason, and this is bad.

700
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: This is just a bad confession for some reason, Like

701
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: I sometimes I fear it that I'm like, God, I'm

702
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: really fucking up in Matt is watching me. Each it's me.

703
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: It's exactly my good best friend. One I will say this,

704
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: I actually do better, Like one time Studio and Boe

705
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: put me on tape and I actually felt like I

706
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: did better because I was performing instead of doing this

707
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: in front of one person, like I prefer an audience

708
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: to just one person. I just actually suit. You just

709
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: put me on same something when we were in Nantucket

710
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: and it was literally me Suit. You get like an

711
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: award for SNL and Nantucket and so were they put us.

712
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: They put her up in this like nice thing, and

713
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, just like doing my tape in this

714
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: like LuxS atmosphere. I felt like they were going to

715
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: watch it and be like, where the funk is he?

716
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: You'll probably book it like he's in the atmosphere. Him. Wow,

717
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: that was great. He booked a lux atmosphere for the tape.

718
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: I've got to try the sides to the window. I

719
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: will too, It'll change everything. And also don't have to

720
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: bother anyone totally. Although my old managers made me buy

721
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: like the phone and tripod, which I don't mind. That's

722
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: that I need to do that, But the amount of

723
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: pain it takes to scotch shape my iPhone to a window,

724
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: it's why have I Yeah, you've set this thing on

725
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: not to cool your own interviews back because it's kind

726
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: of like iron. But I mean, this thing that stuck

727
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: with me is that you were it was the Sam

728
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: Jones on Camera show, and it was but you guys

729
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: were talking about auditioning and then and specifically with Liberty

730
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: Bell with Glow, with Debbie with Glow. You just talk

731
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: about this sort of this this attachment that happens when

732
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: you when you come across a character, you know something

733
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: that you're just like, wow, I really hope I fucking

734
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: I love reading about that audition that you have with Allison. Yeah,

735
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: by the way, it is as lovely and amazing as

736
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: we all do. I feel so bad for a sidebar

737
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: that people nowadays have to like perform a friendship like

738
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: when they're doing and we're best friends. Like I really

739
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: feel for the queer Eye guys, because because it can't

740
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: possibly be um. But I'll mean, I'll show you my

741
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: sheet we are, like it's crazy. I love her. And

742
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: so you guys met at the audition Toronto for your

743
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: callback audition. Yes, so I had read it was like

744
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: that was like my fifth audition or I think I'd

745
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: gone a bunch in I made a tape. Um. And

746
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: also a thing I'll do is like I'll do the

747
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: scenes and then I'll do like a weird like ripping

748
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: off you guys, like a weird video, like a Lawrence

749
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: video like cat Coo and rip off video, like me

750
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: as the character or whatever, like being weird like that

751
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: was that was the last two years. I was like

752
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: fuck it because there have been so many times where

753
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: I saw myself on the page and it didn't work out.

754
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: Girls Veep Orange is the new Blood, like so many

755
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: things that I was like, God, I mean I auditioned once,

756
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: but I was like, well, here we go, and they're

757
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: like no feedback, um, and so I just I was like, Okay,

758
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: if the audition is going to be the only time

759
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I get to be with this person, and let's just

760
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: like make it weird. But yeah. I was then filming

761
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: something in Toronto and they flew her out there, which

762
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: was like my social anxiety nightmare. Yes, yeah, because I'm

763
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: doing like a guest star episode on something and she's like,

764
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: this gorgeous movie start has to come to Toronto. I mean,

765
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry. And I remember they

766
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: told us to wear like athletic clothes, and I was like,

767
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: she's not gonna be wearing an athletic Like I better

768
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: like show up and like I'm gonna wear sun dress

769
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: and flip flops and show her look I'm cool too.

770
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: And she was in full like year ready to wrestle

771
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: and looked at my white Irish factory feet and was like,

772
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: what do you we we were supposed to I'm so sorry. Honestly,

773
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: I would have told their flat. I would have been

774
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: like I would I assume you were going to show

775
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: up best fancy? Why didn't I do that? Oh my god?

776
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: Wait did they? So? Then do you mind if I asked?

777
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: Did they have to do? They just had you chemistry

778
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: read with chemistry test with like the wrestling or was

779
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: it like they know they did uh scenes where it

780
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: was the scene in the car I ink in the

781
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: pilot and then the scene where I come in with

782
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: the baby and yell at which is truly like the

783
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: thing that hooks You're like, I have to the scene,

784
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: so like thanks for that making that the auditions, like

785
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy the gene or whatever. The brain trick it

786
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: takes to do that in an audition is completely different

787
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: than doing it on camera, Like some people can turn

788
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: it on for an audition and then it's it's two

789
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: totally different muscles, but whatever. That's also a tough scene

790
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: on the page, of course, to really make that work

791
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: because that but the believing that she's going to kick

792
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: her ass right then and right is a tough turn. Yeah,

793
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: And it's it's one that like you guys really made

794
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: it sing, but it was, and it's a really important

795
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: scene because it's the it's the crux of the whole series, right, Yeah, yeah,

796
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: I But on the Sam Jones thing, I think you

797
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: just mentioned this thing where you were like, um, you know,

798
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 1: most of like as a defense mechanism, something that kicks

799
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: in in your brain is that well, I'm not gonna

800
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: get this. I'm not going to guess I'm not going

801
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: to get this. I'm not right for this. But then

802
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: you were like, but then like sometimes there's this one

803
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 1: centimeter tall person in your brain that's just like maybe

804
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm right for this. Yeah. Like that's like like like

805
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: like why, like the access to that thing is so

806
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,479
Speaker 1: it's so hard. It's so hard. And also I think

807
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: I did a lot of unhelpful associating, like needing to

808
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: keep parts of my identity around because I was like, oh,

809
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 1: that's what makes me creative is hating myself or what

810
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: what gives me access to this is you know, not

811
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: liking uh my face or like having my picture taken

812
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: like that keeps me me and it I realized like, oh,

813
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: that's been so that's the reason I didn't get this.

814
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: This and this. I've been standing in my own way

815
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, just because what I

816
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: want like street cred with myself when I'm falling asleep.

817
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel good street cred with myself when I'm

818
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: falling asleep. That's like, yeah, like why it's not cool

819
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: to be negative to self legitimize or whatever and be like, well,

820
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: I better be true to who you know whatever, Like

821
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: sometimes you just mythologize in this way. That's so not productive.

822
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: It's like the thing of like they say, you go

823
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: into the audition like and you should act like you

824
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: already have the part right. That is, it's it's hard

825
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: to get there right, especially when another like sect of

826
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: people might tell you like just do it, let it go.

827
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: You probably won't book it, you know what I mean.

828
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: It's like there's two competing things. Well, I feel like

829
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: the thing to do is what we were talking about

830
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: before of being like the carbon tim standing under over

831
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: has maggots and magic, Like it's it's not like I'm

832
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: amazing and funk at all. It's like like this could

833
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: be magical, this could be terrible. And also it doesn't matter.

834
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: The people behind the table are just as scared and

835
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: lonely and afraid of being found out as I am.

836
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: And there they want you to be good. Yeah right,

837
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: they're really That's the thing too, was I keep reminding myself,

838
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: is they want to find the right person right enthusiastically

839
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: show up, you don't know what the outcommends, and then

840
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: you just hold the dice. Oh my god, you're incredible, Betty.

841
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I also now remember like you were fully on that show.

842
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: Is just like so crazy that she came from our

843
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: like community. I mean I went to her wedding, yes,

844
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: and it was I mean talk about culture. Culture, oh culture.

845
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I was to nowhere I grew up eating dry chicken.

846
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: It looked like the most beautiful ceremony. Oh boy, oh boy.

847
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: And there were moments I hope so he's okay with

848
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: me saying where Kenny, I'm married to? You're I mean,

849
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very theatrical. Have you ever been

850
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: to an Indian wedding. It's like you're watching a play,

851
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: like a morgeous, beautiful play, and they translate, um, what

852
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: everything that's about to happen there? Like and now the

853
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: husband takes a walk with the father and they talk

854
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 1: about the moon and and then it happens before your

855
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: eyes and everyone was in tears, and then they're sunny.

856
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: You could tell they told us it was going to happen,

857
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: because the whole thing is scripted. That Sunny bows to

858
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: Kenny and then unscripted, Kenny bowed. The whole crowd was like,

859
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like, oh my god, beautiful moment for

860
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: the whole audience that it was. Yeah, I I love

861
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: her so much. She's she's been a star since day one. Yeah. Really,

862
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: she was my entry point to you guys, because I

863
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: was like these people like in her instagram of the

864
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: she introduced me to you at the Tabor Reader, Isn't

865
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: it romantic? And shared the screen? It was very stick

866
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: a fantic. I was just like, and I still am,

867
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: but like anyway, I was. That was our first meeting.

868
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: And I love that movie and I recently I recently

869
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: watched it and I saw that you saw. I watched

870
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: it a movie about magic and magat it is, and

871
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: I think that movie is underrated and I wanted more

872
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Betty in it. I was saying that all the supporting characters,

873
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: which is such a bummer cool, Like I get it,

874
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: but I want like when they were doing that part

875
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: where it's like they were going to do like the

876
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: changing montage and then they didn't do it. And I

877
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: was like, I get the community choice that we're making

878
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: to not do it, but like I want to do it.

879
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: I know. It's so crazy. It's it's so it's crazy

880
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: to do something and then give it to someone else

881
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: and be like see you in a gear. Good luck

882
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: changing that into something. I don't know what it's going

883
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: to be. I mean, right right, it's crazy. It's crazy.

884
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: So the theater that you did like throughout your twenties,

885
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: was that like collaborative stuff or was it kind of

886
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: just like like did you ever like part of creating things?

887
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Or No? I was very you know, I grew up.

888
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: My parents are actors and we're mostly stage actors um.

889
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: And even though like growing up, I was like, wow,

890
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: they're out on GUARDE and now I'm like, oh, they're

891
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: still even though where their actors are still very old school.

892
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: That's like you did Summer Stock and you did a R.

893
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: Gurney plays and you did restoration comedies and that's do

894
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: in theater and another at um. Although I show that

895
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: my dad was one of the founders of E. S T.

896
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: So Dad, you're both. This is a good entry point

897
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: for the question because that's my answer to the question

898
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: you ask it that officially just just for you know, uh,

899
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: forensic purposes. We'll ask Betty the question what is the

900
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture is for you? And

901
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: so it's so boring that no, it's a theater. I

902
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: mean I was like on the way over a like magazines,

903
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: were you like stage managing when you were like or something? Well, yes,

904
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: so I definitely grew up. Um, I grew up in

905
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:19,280
Speaker 1: the South Street Seaport in New York. Yeah, I mean famously.

906
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean I wish we had that. My dad bought

907
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: with his friend of four story building for I believe

908
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: it's thirty five thousand dollars and doesn't own it anymore

909
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: and it's worth millions. But it was like it was

910
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: super old, like the cobblestone streets and everything, and the

911
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: ceiling of it was like made of old ship parts.

912
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Goes amazing and but like the size of this room

913
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: our apartment. Um. But yeah, I grew up with my

914
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: parents doing off Broadway theater and regional theater, and like

915
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: you know, I always have been like, oh, it's it's

916
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: theater that it really is. It's like the culture around

917
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: it's like backstage culture. Like I think what I'm drawn

918
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: to is people who are quote unquote forced to be together,

919
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: like to tech culture, like around being like we have

920
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: to be here for twelve hours. Let's get into it.

921
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: Like my mom in a wig cap and a hoop

922
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: skirt being like, come in and shut the door. We

923
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: have to talk about you know who I mean, just

924
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: watching her hold court and that that was culture to

925
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: me because you I'm not going to mention it, but

926
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: like You've made content that is so specific to this, right,

927
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: my favorite just these isolated lines of like someone in

928
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: a dressing room, right, yes, it's so good. Wait, okay,

929
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: so fatwork. Yeah, like beyond just like just the the

930
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: closeness that you're sort of forced into with tech culture.

931
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: I guess tech culture. Yeah, it's almost. It's also like

932
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: seeing people in the moments that if they were like, oh,

933
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,959
Speaker 1: make a TV show about my life, do all these

934
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: moments and you're like, I'm actually it's the tech or

935
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: the you know, them in a wig cap, like you know,

936
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: with food on their face being like, I don't know, guys, today,

937
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: I shipped my pants. Like it's people not at their

938
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: worst but kind of at their between or something. And

939
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm also realizing like I was seeing actors at you know,

940
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: in my mind at the time, I was like the

941
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: top that you can be at the Longworth Theater and

942
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: behave it or K Playhouse, and you know, they were

943
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: all on their waist somewhere or on their way back down.

944
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: It was like dames who had been up here and

945
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: who were now doing the K Playhouse, or like Eneuse

946
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: who were like K Playhouse and route to something else.

947
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 1: Like kind of seeing seeing the between moments and just

948
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: between like on some smaller micro cosmic scale than between

949
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: in a larger life. Right. I guess that's what funs

950
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 1: with my brain so much about press is that there's

951
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: suddenly this thing of like, oh now we all have

952
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: to pretend that we're these perfect Like when I when

953
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: I go sit and talk to Jimmy Kimmel or whatever,

954
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: professional artists have been working on my face and hair

955
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: and body for two hours before you've seen me, and

956
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: I fit with a stylist and like its tailored within

957
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: an instrument. Like it's the opposite of between culture. It's

958
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: like the most binary thing. You're ready or you're not, Yes,

959
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: right right, go out and go out there. You know,

960
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: there's no like wink at the smoke and mirrors, there's

961
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: no and it's so it's so confusing to me. And

962
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 1: then and then there's like especially like you start where

963
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: you start, which is truly the love for the craft,

964
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: like you love even the tech of it all. And

965
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: then you get to this place where you're on a

966
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: hit show on Netflix and they nominate you for an Emmy,

967
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: and then you go to the Emmy's and it's like

968
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: what the fuck. It's like, that's like the height of it,

969
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: right right, like prodding out of like which one? Will

970
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: it be? Right? Crazy? Yes? Yeah, I feel like it's

971
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it, like um, and I play

972
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: so often. I play characters who are like I've entered

973
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: the room and sink I'm fantom yes and that, which

974
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: is crazy, but I try to like it's like in

975
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: theater school or whatever. You also, by the way, I'm

976
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: not one of those actresses who was like why did

977
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: you make me leave the house putting on a show?

978
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: Like this is my dream? Is it's crazy? I love

979
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: I'm a show person, and I'm not like why didn't

980
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: you just let me write in my journal? I want

981
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: to be right, it's just the here's what it is.

982
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: It's like I love the soul church feeling or whatever,

983
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: like the Joan of Arc monstery part down here and

984
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: channeling that into a scene like screaming with your baby

985
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then in order to get those parts,

986
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: you have to kind of commute through this like Kylie

987
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,479
Speaker 1: Cell of like you go up here and you put

988
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: on take eyelashes and you pose through it and you

989
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: answer um Miley or Madonna questions and you're kind of

990
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: like cutesify yourself a little bit. But you gotta keep

991
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: that trap door open to the to the Jane of

992
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: Arc parts, because if you stay too long up here,

993
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: that trapdoor is going to cement over and you'll be

994
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: this person forever. And that's what I'm talking about, of Like,

995
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: that's what scares me. That's why I'm always like like,

996
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: for the last Kimmel appearance, I wanted to tell the

997
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: story of shipping my pants at Nurse Jack because I

998
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: was like, that'll keep the trap door open, Like, yeah,

999
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be whatever Kylie Barbie person, but I'll

1000
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: be telling a story about the grossest, craziest stuff and

1001
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: like I'll still be me. And the guy on the

1002
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: phone was like, don't tell this, please don't because to

1003
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: me it was a metaphor for like I had started

1004
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: to try to be naked a ton on that show,

1005
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: so I'd like started to treat myself like, oh, the

1006
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: reason you're here is the Kylie Barbie stuff, not the

1007
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 1: Joane of Arc stuff. And that could feel the trap

1008
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: door slowly closing, and I feel like shooting my pants

1009
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: was like the Joan of Arc part, like kicking it open,

1010
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: being like you're a funking monstor it is that thing

1011
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: that makes it like to play the game. And also

1012
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I want to fucking act, which you and I kind

1013
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: of talk about. I mean, it's a totally different scale

1014
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: and it's such a it's a different sort of exposure

1015
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: of horse. But it's also like sometimes we're like, oh,

1016
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,479
Speaker 1: we didn't think we would have to right do this

1017
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: part and we have to like like cutefy, like really

1018
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: just like reduce our friendship are eleven twelve year friendship

1019
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: at this point down to like three bullet points. Funny

1020
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: like when when we have to go into rooms and

1021
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: like pitch, yes, right, do you do things to water

1022
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: it to keep the realness. I mean it was funny

1023
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: because the one time we were in Last the well,

1024
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: we can share this. We were having like a we

1025
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: were having a we were in a little bit of

1026
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: a spot, he and I and we were kind of

1027
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: like having a little bit of a like a rough week,

1028
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: and we would have to go pitch ourselves because Last

1029
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: Cultures for a minute there was going to get pitched

1030
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: as the TV show, and so we would like we

1031
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: were going from place to place and we were just like, oh,

1032
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 1: like everything's great and then silent and wow, wow, I'm

1033
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: curious that you just I mean, but it kind of

1034
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: like it gives it an it gives it this topography

1035
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: that like I would not trade it's but it is. It's.

1036
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting, Yeah, to be in Los

1037
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: Angeles doing that. I was like, huh, this is what people,

1038
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: this is like what this is? Yah? And like that

1039
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: was just like truly part of the ebb and flow

1040
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: of our friend of anyone's friends. Started to feel like

1041
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: merrily we roll along. It started to feel like just

1042
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: like this this this friend, this partnership is breaking down

1043
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: over like reverse time or whatever. I feel for you guys,

1044
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: because it must be the world is so thirsty for

1045
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: authenticity and things being actually funny and like you guys

1046
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: being so in touch with things that are becoming extinct,

1047
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: like being actually, you're so fucking hilarious and smart, you guys.

1048
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: It's and that it's it's you're basically the last people

1049
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: on its stngratulations. But it's like, I wonder if it's

1050
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: a matter of like keeping that trapdoor stapled open and

1051
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: being like that's our thing, that we just have constant

1052
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: access to that instead. But sometimes it can totally feel

1053
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: like you've like that Jimmy Kimmel thing if it I

1054
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: thought it was going to feel like I've got the

1055
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: track was this metaphor tracking? No, I guess so um

1056
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: to me, I was like, this is gonna be my

1057
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: way of holding it open and being like, yes, I'm

1058
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: in these clothes, but here's a dark, weird part of

1059
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: me that real is real. And I sat down and

1060
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I there were so many checkpoints in my brain that

1061
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: I realized like, oh, it actually is, Like was a

1062
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: jone of arc monster part of me that I then

1063
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: like threw a bow on and some lip gloss on.

1064
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: It was like, come on, honey, like we gotta sell

1065
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: this thing. And that part of me was like and

1066
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: now you hurt me, and you know, it's it's so

1067
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: hard to navigate when you're doing that and when you're not.

1068
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: It's been I will say, it's been kind of nice

1069
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: and I feel lucky. I don't know how you feel,

1070
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: but at least over the past couple of years, I

1071
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: kind of was like, if you commit to being yourself,

1072
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: that actually is what it is, like whoever you are,

1073
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: as long as you commit to that like and are

1074
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: that truthfully, whether that's a funny person, well that's a

1075
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: very smart person, a very talented person. I think, as

1076
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: long as you commit to being who that is. And

1077
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: of course there's those little moments where you have to

1078
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: you feel like you have to like, you know, negotiate

1079
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: what people want from you. But it's about figuring out, like, well,

1080
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: how do I be me in this scenario? You know

1081
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: what I mean. I think that's when as the stakes

1082
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: have gotten a little bit higher, like you know, and

1083
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: things things happen. It's just every time I go on

1084
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: like a podcast and I'm being myself, it's like recently

1085
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: I had someone like attacked me for using a certain word,

1086
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: like I used the word, um, I know it's I know,

1087
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: it's I shouldn't say it now, And I'm gonna make

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01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: an effort. But I used the word psycho to say

1089
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: something was like crazy or like bad. I I used

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01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: it was so I used the word psycho and someone

1091
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: like really was like, hey, I'm I'm a psychotic and

1092
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: like that really hurt me when you said that, And

1093
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean this is just gonna

1094
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: come with the territory. It's like, right, you're gonna have

1095
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: to be more careful about what you do and like

1096
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: hear people because what he's saying is a real thing,

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01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: and b it's like I would never have thought that,

1098
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: but that's just it's just like you learn that and

1099
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: you take that and then you're just going to take

1100
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: that and that's part of what you know now and

1101
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: then you just be you try your best to be

1102
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: yourself at your best. But then, but knowing yourself is

1103
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: not thinking of yourself as like a fixed point. It's

1104
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: thinking of yourself in terms of these axes of like

1105
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: I'm a Jane of arc or i m a highlie, right,

1106
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: And it's hard to know when that stuff is helpful

1107
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: and when it's not. Like emotionally cutting The next day,

1108
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: I watched the first part of it, the Kimmel thing

1109
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 1: and then scrolled around um and they were like three

1110
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: compliments that I just didn't even think that went right

1111
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 1: through my brain. And one person wrote like like like

1112
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: like she says like a billion times she's a dits.

1113
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: What is her purpose? I was like, you do that,

1114
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: Betty next time. Don't say like yeah, you don't even

1115
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: do that in real life. Come on like you don't

1116
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: like like like you don't want to a pure stut.

1117
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: And then I was like, no, yeah, who cares. Wait

1118
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: then you'll just do no words will come out of

1119
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: your mind. It will be only checkpoints and no content.

1120
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: It will be only Kylie and no Joan of Arc exactly,

1121
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: and the trap Drob will have close. We must we

1122
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: must keep it open. I can't believe we're I I

1123
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 1: this is still church to me. Just you and yes,

1124
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: I god, I just you're You're just incredible, Betty. You

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01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: just I mean, for what it's worth, We just fucking

1126
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: love you. I mean it is. When I say it's

1127
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: my favorite performance on television, I'm I'm because because it's fun,

1128
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: but it's also so emotionally grounded, Like that fourth episode

1129
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 1: of the second season, WHOA like I would have gotten

1130
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: this it was did you remember this one? It was

1131
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: a kind of sort of like very very um Debbie

1132
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: and also a very very um uh well for her queen.

1133
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: It was like a motherhood episode and it was the

1134
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: episode where um uh her son comes and sees her.

1135
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: Her son goes to Stamford and yes, and he says, well,

1136
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: I want to see what you do because she gets

1137
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: recognized from the show, and he goes and sees her,

1138
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's this horrible sort of like very very very

1139
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: devastating moment where she's playing this racial stereotype. Stevens is

1140
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: the actual Instagram and she's an actual Kia. Stevens is

1141
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: amazing and she she's right, there's and this this scene

1142
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: was a son too, very good and there was just

1143
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: that moment and then he he was you know, he

1144
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: accepted her at the end because I think that you

1145
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: know that this is a nothing about the show is

1146
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: it was hard. It's hard for actresses even now, like

1147
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: you get the work and to do the work and

1148
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: then you have questions about the work. I mean Suna's character,

1149
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: especially Meantime stay mental Plague star actress about no I

1150
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: love that want to play it on my Yeah, it

1151
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: is confusing because it's I feel like Glow is a

1152
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: good metaphor for you know whatever the girls in it

1153
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: think they're doing this weird, cool thing with their imagination

1154
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 1: and powerful thing with their bodies, and because their women

1155
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: in tiny costumes is viewed with the male gaze first,

1156
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: and like what's the expiration date on that? Like, I

1157
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: do have that question to the world that I don't

1158
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: want to answer to comment sections of like, hey, thanks

1159
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: for letting me be here. This is so amazing. I

1160
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: never thought this would happen. Is it because of the

1161
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: jone of our stuff or the Kylie stuff? Because the

1162
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: Kylie stuff is gonna go away, My tids are gonna

1163
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: be in my shoes, this Irish face. Genetically, I was

1164
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: meant to like write a long poem in an attic

1165
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: and diet forty like she's not meant for HD came so,

1166
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: like there's stuff that's gonna spire. I do like quick

1167
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: so and I want to be here for a long time.

1168
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 1: Well but it's the real thing. But up here you're

1169
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 1: asking that question because it's like, especially in a show

1170
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: like Glow, where it is like, you know, you look

1171
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: at the marketing and of course there are going to

1172
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: be a lot of people out there that are like

1173
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: women wrestling, right, And then it's good. But then you

1174
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: watch the show and it's really just it's just this

1175
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: a great story. But also when I play a lawyer,

1176
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm in here and make up for two hours. I

1177
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: never ever get recognized because an no money. But also

1178
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: be like I they beat Mufface and like like for

1179
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: any part, and it's sometimes I'm like, is that always

1180
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: going to be the thing I have to do? Because

1181
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know who knows I hear, I hear what

1182
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: you're saying. I think that like yeah, I mean for me,

1183
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: it's just what move what moves? Of course, me like

1184
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: a gay man, like just loving the like I love

1185
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: actresses acting all the time. But it's for me, it's

1186
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 1: just like the second season, like I really thought I

1187
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: thought the first scene was Wisden was great and the

1188
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: second season it's fantastic. UM And I really thought they

1189
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: that the way that they handled to me two storyline

1190
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: was very interesting because if if you remember, UM, you

1191
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 1: know your character sort of says like what the fun

1192
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: which is? Which is it? You know? You know you

1193
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: you see it even now on Big Little Lies with

1194
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: Meryl Streep's character and the way that she deals with

1195
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: question Okay, you will absolutely be on the floor. Um.

1196
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: It's it's like very big little lines like it is

1197
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: comically it's like it's like overdrawn, but I want them

1198
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: to be literally eating the walls. Yeah, but did you

1199
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: correct me? Biting? But like, um, yeah, this so interesting

1200
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: that like, um, your character was like that's what this

1201
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: is when she rebuffs um, the advances of an executive right.

1202
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: So that was such like a it almost to me,

1203
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: like really showed like this is like a psychology thing

1204
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: that's been in many women for so long. It's not

1205
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: like we all like even thought this could be different.

1206
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: This is a psychology. This is a thing that has

1207
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: been great. I think that that's something that our show

1208
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 1: does well that I feel like there's this trend happening

1209
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: where we really want to talk about erasure, like erase

1210
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: um like have the outwardly moaha haa characters be the

1211
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: ones who are racist and sexist and have everyone else

1212
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: have only scenes to be like that guy is wrong

1213
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: and the end where it's in the groundwater Like I'm

1214
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: sure if you in any of our parents or any generate,

1215
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: like anyone over forty or thirty like with interviewed for

1216
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: a long time, they'd say things where like, oh, don't

1217
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: say that, um, and I think we're doing ourselves a

1218
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: disservice to write scenes that are it's it's just washing

1219
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: away the fact that there's a there's a racist, sexist

1220
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: person in every single brain, no matter how big or

1221
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: small that person is, and it's about killing that person

1222
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,480
Speaker 1: and be honest about that person in your own brain.

1223
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 1: It's it's its own it's its own delusion to write,

1224
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, right too moralistic things where you know these

1225
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: characters have continant world views with yours. It's like no,

1226
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: it's like just yeah. Part of me watching it was

1227
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: like there was there was an instinct to me when Mark,

1228
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: when Mark's character, Mark Marin's character was like fuck that guy,

1229
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: I was like, are we letting this kind of white

1230
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: guy like be the one to be like fuck him? Right?

1231
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: Right then? I was like, I actually think it's just

1232
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: a more truthful, sort of very character driven thing for

1233
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: Debbie to be like what the fuck? You know what

1234
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, especially with the baggage between them, and I

1235
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: kind of was like, I think it's really dynamic and

1236
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:06,839
Speaker 1: interesting what they did. Yeah, I loved it. It's it's perfect. Um,

1237
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's time for I

1238
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: don't think. Okay, so this is my enough, you know,

1239
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: but this is our segment that we do. And by

1240
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: the way, we should say we are going to be

1241
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: on tour. Yes, we announced for new dates. Are you

1242
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,160
Speaker 1: in Orlando, Queen? Do I go to Orlando? Or do

1243
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: you let you to enjoy the parks the park experiences.

1244
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: I know that you're very pro Disney. I've never been

1245
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: to Disneyland. I would love for you to some days.

1246
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: Honestly we should go see the next time. The next

1247
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: time you're in l A and I'm in l A,

1248
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna go because also a lot of cool new

1249
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: stuff will be open, like Star Wars Galaxy's Edge, and

1250
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: also we can go over to Universal Stity Is Hollywood

1251
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: and do the new Dost Jurassic World the Ride. Bryce

1252
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: Dallas Howard and Chris Pratt have film new se iconic

1253
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: Bryce Dallas who I'm going to say, what star star?

1254
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: But actress I've a sign star? I think? Can I

1255
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: say something about Bryce Dallas, Bryce Stallas Howard, you never

1256
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: every time every time she's on screen, I'm like this

1257
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: is crazy. I was like, this is like, this is

1258
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: crazy because you would never like pick Bryce Styllas Howard.

1259
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: But then you do, hear me, But then you start

1260
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: watching her and you're like the choices, Yeah, the theatric

1261
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: coge never pick Bryce Stallas because every time, like for example,

1262
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: for Bryce Stallas Howard to be the lead of Jurassic

1263
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: World the films, it's like kind of cookie because you

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna go for like someone like a Jennifer Lawrence,

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You think they're gonna go

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01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: for someone that's like Bryce Stallas Howard like she, but

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01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: then I don't know. She's got the iconic carecut. She

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01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: makes choices every single time. And the help is you

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01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: are obsessed with the blunt bang. Hi, I love the

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01:10:54,520 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: well we should just know producer Emma just came embroidered. Look,

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01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: but anyway, I'm talking about Bryce Dallas Howard, So sit down,

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: shut up to it, all right. So, so Bryce Dallas Howard,

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01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I watched her in Rocketman. Did you

1274
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: see a Rocketman? No? I haven't yet. You gotta go.

1275
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: It's good and I have PTSD from Bohemian Rhapsody. But

1276
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: brocket Man is good. But anyway, um, Bryce Dallas is

1277
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,800
Speaker 1: in it being a cartoon villain, but we love and

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01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: Bryce Dallas. Never forget Slade Black Mirror. It's actually real

1279
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: culture number sixty six, Slade Black Mirror. And also I

1280
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: think it is the cardinal sin of Jurassic World fall

1281
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: on Kingdom that she wasn't in a more chopped bang

1282
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: and a higher heel. They gave her a ponytail and

1283
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: a flat I said the iconic moment in Jurassic World

1284
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: was her running from the t Rex in the heels. Yeah,

1285
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: did you see Jurassic World. We can't. We can't argue that.

1286
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: Like she also has had the resume like she was

1287
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: in Spider Man three, like she's done a big blockbuster movie,

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01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: because she's not like yeah, well, I don't know. I

1289
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,360
Speaker 1: think it's I love it. I'm not saying I don't

1290
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 1: like it. I'm saying it's like, whoa this? You would

1291
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: never pick her? Like, yeah you would, She's she's been

1292
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: a draw like she's whatever. Can I say one thing? Yes, okay,

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01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 1: say whatever you want very quick. I feel like people

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: like show people, weird people, people who were you know,

1295
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: clowney Hammy. I'm not making assumptions about no, you know,

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: we're kids who were like that and realized they had

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01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 1: that like like a dark ham person inside them, and

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01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: then realize, like middle school, high school, this my experience

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01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: sounds Oh that's not gonna like fly. I gotta suppress

1300
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: that part and just swallow that, keep that down, perch

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: myself on like the arm of this couch and just

1302
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: try to enjoy you watching video games and try to

1303
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: get through this party or whatever and suppress, suppress, press

1304
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: And then for me in theater school, after like whatever,

1305
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: swallowing that part of me for so long, finding people

1306
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: who were like I went out to get John produced

1307
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: the first day of Fordham Theater with uh, my first

1308
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: gay friend, Brenda Norton, and we went to John and

1309
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 1: he was wearing overalls and a flower crown. Um. We

1310
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: tried each other's smoothies. This is so weird. Tried each

1311
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: other smoothies and in the same gremlin voice said, I

1312
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 1: like mine, and I burst into tears when someone, when

1313
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: you find someone and when that part of you is like, hey,

1314
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: I'm still here. I know like you muffled me for

1315
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: so long and I didn't fit at that keg party

1316
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,759
Speaker 1: for so or or the stick or trading in middle

1317
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: school or whatever. But like, I'm here and if you

1318
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: water me with the right people, like I can be

1319
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: the best thing about being alive. And I think that

1320
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: that I'm so sorry. I think that that's why I

1321
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: love your podcast so much. It's clear that you guys

1322
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: found each other and that you're doing exactly what you're

1323
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: supposed to be doing. And I'm just I'm just feel

1324
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: like I need to like pull you over on the

1325
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: road to greatness and going the exact right way. Can

1326
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: we check him? This is unreal? Thank you so much

1327
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: for that? Can I I can't? Can I ask you

1328
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: a question though? How proud are you a writer? But

1329
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: that's that's what reminded me. Like last night we were

1330
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: we were just saying, like I remember John Eally on

1331
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: Seek Treatment was talking about he and Kate Berlant what

1332
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: it feels like to hang out with her after a

1333
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: long time, just but like he was like, they'll laugh

1334
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 1: and be like, oh finally a real laugh like writer,

1335
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,640
Speaker 1: And I I was like, if my brain is a

1336
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: house with you, I don't need to worry about vacuuming

1337
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: or putting up, Like I just prop open the doors,

1338
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: like let the bees fly. It like it just we're

1339
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: we don't we basically don't use English with each other

1340
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: and cry last I mean, it's so good finding your people. Yeah,

1341
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: put the code over when you're going past the bones. Yea,

1342
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: and yeah keep the track open. You don't stand Kylie

1343
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: too long. I've learned Church. It is so church, not

1344
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: a front dark horse for title of Okay, I feel

1345
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 1: like magasine magic is it? Um? That is very meaningful.

1346
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Yeah, and I really mean it.

1347
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I don't even know what to do

1348
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: with it. I'm going to dine out on this to myself. No,

1349
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: he's going to tell a lot of people. He's gonna

1350
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 1: get on the press, he's going to get on his

1351
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: Instagram story. No one's gonna listen to it. Oh my god. Anyway,

1352
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: well that was gorgeous. I feel like, now we're going

1353
01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: to do I don't think something I'm I'm not no, no, no,

1354
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: it's you know, the people, non comedians you've had on

1355
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 1: that stage come up and do better than any of

1356
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: the comedians. I'm so plus you are the moment in

1357
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: the last episode of Glee season two where like Glee,

1358
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, culture number hundred Glow? What was the

1359
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: moment in Glow? In Glow Um, Netflix is Glow. So

1360
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: there's Horatio Stands is like telling them like all about

1361
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: how they're going to go to Las Vegas. That he

1362
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: just goes, I'm sorry, who is this guy? Who are you?

1363
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: It was so funny and he's like, oh, this is

1364
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 1: like my friend and he's like, oh, okay, sorry, And

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01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: then there was music too that cut out and came

1366
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: back in so funny. You get like, I'm not done.

1367
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: Do you get to watch it before that you goes

1368
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 1: on Netflix? You being the star of it? Yes, they

1369
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: sent it out to all of us on like a

1370
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: little secret link um and I this is the first

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 1: time I've ever done this where I watched season three

1372
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: and in the final episode I had a sit on

1373
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 1: my forehead that was people have died trying to climate.

1374
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, was casting a shot. I can't And

1375
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: I emailed them being like, can't do we have time

1376
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,839
Speaker 1: to touch this? It was visible in low yeah, oh yeah, no.

1377
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 1: The moment I remember being like, Betty plut your shoulders down,

1378
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: no one can see no, honestly, go eliminate the checkpoints.

1379
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: Just be And I was like this is a career,

1380
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: and they retouched it and I watched it again. It's gone.

1381
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: Here's my skin looks perfect. In episode ten, I was

1382
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: having a cystic, horrific break out. Wait, this is crazy

1383
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, so you're able to email them and

1384
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 1: they take that out and you're telling me that no

1385
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: one noticed those coffee cups and Game of Thrones. I

1386
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,879
Speaker 1: think it's on purpose. They're too scared of those actors.

1387
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,040
Speaker 1: I think they run that show and for some on

1388
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 1: like a twenty three year old with a headset being like, hey,

1389
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 1: we're ready to roll. You gonna keep drinking like I

1390
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: think they're probably like I'll drink when I want. And

1391
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 1: I not that they're assholes. It's just like Familia Clark.

1392
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: She's in character as an heiress for all for all.

1393
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: You know, she could say drekars and it could be

1394
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: over about oh my god. Well, okay, one more thing.

1395
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: Did you shoot the whole season? She's three in Vegas? Okay,

1396
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: in l A. And then we drove out to Ontario,

1397
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: California for the exteriors. Okay, okay, because I think probably

1398
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: nothing looks like Vegas, that's true. Yeah, yeah, Vegas now

1399
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 1: is very Vegas. Now, so that's the big turn. Remember

1400
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: they're going to go to Vegas at the end of it.

1401
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,720
Speaker 1: And now I love it because I just I just

1402
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: rewatched it and now it's going to be back like

1403
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 1: in truly minute. I love and I I discovered you

1404
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: on the show, but I had been a bree head

1405
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: for quite a long time and we were so excited

1406
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: for Sunita. Yes, and this season, I can tell she's

1407
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: going to get along. Yes she is. You know, it's

1408
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: really an all both rising season. I love that. Yes,

1409
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: it's the especially also shout out to Chris Lowell because

1410
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: he is quietly slaying on that show and has been

1411
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: what he has been really great for a long time.

1412
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's great. I'm gonna cherry pick. I'm gonna

1413
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: cherry pick and say that it's this is like a

1414
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: straight actor playing a gay character that I'm like, cool

1415
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: because I bought, you know, because it's it's I don't

1416
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: even know the words, but it feels right to me.

1417
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: Like and also like I thought maybe I was making

1418
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: that up for a second season. I was like, I

1419
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: don't think, but maybe yes. And then this storyline with

1420
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 1: the you know, spoiler alert, but his best friend and

1421
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: Butler passes away of complications to AIDS. And the last

1422
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 1: scene and when he's when you can tell there's still

1423
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: the panic about AIDS and he has someone come over

1424
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: and clean the house and he's crying by the pool,

1425
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,719
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that is what that looked and felt

1426
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: like to have that moment and to not even really

1427
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: express and yeah, at least at that stage of that

1428
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: character's sort of journey, it's like he wouldn't really even

1429
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,679
Speaker 1: like have the language to like it's at that time

1430
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: and the tunnel vision into that marriage, you know what

1431
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Just like the kind of there's and such

1432
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: good acting there was really Oh my god, I cannot wait.

1433
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,599
Speaker 1: I was There's an episode where I was standing up

1434
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: and screaming at my TV. Wow boys, Wow, and I'm

1435
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: gen and Miss Gina it's gonna be on. We cannot believe.

1436
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: I love this show. It's so good. Okay, anyway, so

1437
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: now we're gonna get that. I don't think Foy, but

1438
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: I wasn't done talking about Glee. Um another iconic show.

1439
01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: Yes about the large cast. O, Hey, I do have something.

1440
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 1: I do something, man. It's a little bit of a

1441
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: twist on the floor which we love and stand. We

1442
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: love and stand. This is Mount Rogers. I don't think

1443
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: so many as time starts now. I don't think so honey,

1444
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: me on a plane, Okay, I'm disgusting. I am rude,

1445
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: I am short tempered, and I am loud. Here is

1446
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: how all those things happen. I am that bitch that

1447
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: takes my shoes off on the plane, even if it's

1448
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,680
Speaker 1: a short flight. Honeyton and took it. I took my

1449
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: kickers off and put my piggies on the ground. I

1450
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: am the person who not bear with a sock. But

1451
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: that doesn't matter when you've been wearing your sock for

1452
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: a day. Oh they didn't smell grade. Also, I walked

1453
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: to the bathroom in my socks and use the bathroom

1454
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 1: in my socks. Couldn't be about to put my shoes on.

1455
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Me on a plane that

1456
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: is disgusting. I don't think so, honey. The fact that

1457
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 1: I am rude on a plane. I had to get

1458
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: up and check my bag for some thing. The flight

1459
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: attendant said it has to be quick, and I said,

1460
01:22:02,479 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: without thinking, no kidding, that was doing your job. I

1461
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 1: don't make so honey, me. I am a bitch on

1462
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 1: a plane. I don't think me. I am loud, my

1463
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:15,680
Speaker 1: headphones absolutely blair. I am always watching the same thing,

1464
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: which is clueless. Watched the same film sometimes twice in

1465
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: a row. It comforts me. I'm not a good flyer.

1466
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't mink so handing me on a plane. Chill out.

1467
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: Take a VI Take a Zadaxe and that's one minute.

1468
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,639
Speaker 1: Take a Vike. Take no, no, no no, I didn't mean

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01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: Viking Max. Next. My best flight experience. I took half

1470
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 1: his annex, passed out, woke up, didn't have to didn't

1471
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: have time to take my shoes off and be grosser.

1472
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 1: That's dreaming me next time. Just do you dreaming me?

1473
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: And they'll sell out the airport promotions. But it kind

1474
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: of is drowsy, and so you'll The thing is, I'm

1475
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: not a good flyer, and so I do all my

1476
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: creature comforts to make sure I'm okay. I also always

1477
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: drink alcohol on a plane. Yeah, it's like a thing

1478
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 1: I like, I will knock back to I p a

1479
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 1: s in the in the airport, and then I'll get

1480
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: on there and I'll drink like a bloody Mary in

1481
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: the sky. Like I'm on drapery great in the sky,

1482
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: but I don't think it's punning me on a plane,

1483
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: and I've been on a lot lately and it's not good.

1484
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 1: The shoes worry me because okay, this is so. This

1485
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: is my friend last year had a mouset his pants

1486
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: leg on a plane. The mouse is in the air.

1487
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: The mouse was thirty three k high, and to save

1488
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: the plane, he was like, I need to be quiet

1489
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: and I need to not talk about this for three months.

1490
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait wait, so the mouse traveled up.

1491
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 1: Did he get it out? He just shook us like

1492
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:41,679
Speaker 1: a little bit calmly. No, decided not to talk about

1493
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: it for a while. Oh my god, I would say

1494
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: what I probably would have done? Wow? Yeah, what would

1495
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: I have done? Because it would you learn to flight attendant.

1496
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: This is a very If you're not on good terms

1497
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: with that, your credit score needs to be hot. Truly,

1498
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: my credit score is about two D the air honestly,

1499
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: like my social credits door. But I literally I heard, okay,

1500
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: so this is what happened, and this is a w

1501
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:11,680
Speaker 1: W y D what would you do? Yes? Um, So

1502
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: I heard what had to be a cooler tip over

1503
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 1: above me, and I said, I heard the ice go

1504
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: and I heard the water rush, and I said to

1505
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: myself in I said to myself out lout of the window,

1506
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: I said, well that was ice. Well that was water

1507
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: and ice. And the woman next to me said, I

1508
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I think it might just be the plane.

1509
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: I said, I'm so sorry, I'm crazy. Can you just

1510
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: move out of the way real quick so I can

1511
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: look up there and just make sure. She goes, yeah,

1512
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 1: it's probably fine. I was like, I know, I'm just annoying.

1513
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: And I went up there and the flight attendant said,

1514
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: so you need to be in your seat. And we

1515
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: were on the tarmac, not having taken off yet, nothing,

1516
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, I just didn't check my bag.

1517
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: She goes, it needs to be quick, and I got

1518
01:24:55,080 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: no kidding, and it was I'm not was the ice? No,

1519
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 1: the bad was fine. It's a mystery what it was.

1520
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: It was a ghost, okay, it was an ice ghost.

1521
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 1: A whole buyer's story about finding little piece of dried

1522
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: poop in the in the blanket. Wo sorry, so this

1523
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 1: will actually be Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey,

1524
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1525
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Verizon Fio, specifically the technician whose name was Ian who

1526
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: came into my house and like talked down to me

1527
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: like I was a fool, and I was like no, no, no,

1528
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: like trust me, like I've done all the work here,

1529
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,600
Speaker 1: like just I've done the speed test, like I like,

1530
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not a I'm like a dilettant when it

1531
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: comes to this. But I was like, it's bad, It's bad,

1532
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 1: it's bad. And he was like kind of like putting

1533
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,400
Speaker 1: the moves on me shut and I think he was

1534
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 1: like trying to funk and I was like oh. And

1535
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,799
Speaker 1: then what he did was I'm in a post private

1536
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,040
Speaker 1: browsing with my porn on my phone, and so he

1537
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: at one point he goes, let's test, let's test the connection.

1538
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: Give me your phone and it was like okay, and

1539
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: I gave it to him. And then he goes on

1540
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: my browser and starts typing, s, I forget what some

1541
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: speed test things, speed test dot com whatever. S. First

1542
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 1: thing that pops up is Seawan Cody and then he

1543
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: which is a gay porn sight and he five seconds

1544
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: he stops and he goes hm and keeps t and

1545
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: like it was truly embarrassing and humiliating. I don't think

1546
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: that was not really. That was not really I don't

1547
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 1: think so many. But it was just like me kind

1548
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: of retelling this harrowing tale with this technician. He was

1549
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 1: like kind of like trying to funk and and then

1550
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, wow, what makes you think he

1551
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,040
Speaker 1: was t two f He was just I'm me up

1552
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: and down. No, I can't do it to me. I

1553
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: can't because I'm bad at just doing this to anybody.

1554
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: When it's like what I want to do, I can't

1555
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: do it. He was just like, oh that was really sexual,

1556
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: and he and like and I'm just gonna say the

1557
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: man had a lot of rings on. It was like

1558
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: very and like had like a little the man had

1559
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: a lot of rings on and like, okay, bash. It

1560
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: was not a bash. It was just like this is

1561
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: like the stuff was a line. It was all aligning

1562
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this is my night. And

1563
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: he didn't even fucking fix it in my internet still bad.

1564
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: I thought it didn't even sucking suck me. He didn't

1565
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 1: and he didn't even suck me. It was it was

1566
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: not and it was not I was not. I was like, no,

1567
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 1: well that sucks, all right, versing FiOS is Ian. You've

1568
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,320
Speaker 1: been read to filp and read to filth anyway, and

1569
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the question is what will Betty Gilpin read again? Stop now,

1570
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: this is your This is going to be transcendentating the checkpoints, checkpoints,

1571
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: keeping the jone trapped door open. This is Betty Gilpin's

1572
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I don't think so many her time starts now. I

1573
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Using teen trendy empowerment as an

1574
01:27:52,200 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 1: invisibility cloak for self promotion. Testing your I am dB

1575
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: credits are not a step forward for humanity. Did not

1576
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: become an actor because you just love humans and you

1577
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: want humans to do well. Became an actor because you

1578
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: want you to do that's helpful. Going to Africa and

1579
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: helping He's something that helps no one being on a multicamp.

1580
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. The commercialization of female insecurity, like

1581
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: the blushing and the don't look over, heres to the

1582
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:38,439
Speaker 1: people who actually struggle with self hatred. I give leave

1583
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 1: me something. I don't want to see you taking thousand selfies,

1584
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: white knuckling it to the top of the mountain, getting

1585
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain and being like, who me,

1586
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: how did I get here? I'm looking at you, Taylors,

1587
01:28:55,840 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god started Wow fucking love that. Okay. And

1588
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 1: you know what, when you guys were talking to the

1589
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: beginning about the hashtag right reasons to use Bachelor Nation

1590
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 1: speaking yes, I kind of got in my head. I

1591
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: was like, am I doing this for the reason? Maybe?

1592
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: And you know what, sometimes the podcast, no just like

1593
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 1: just this in general, just just show biz, and I'm

1594
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: just like sometimes I'm like, dang, I'm I'm a fraud,

1595
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 1: aren't it? But that's like, so do it for validation?

1596
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: We just don't. We just say, don't pretend. Don't pretend.

1597
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: And that's the thing with Taylor ms Swift And I

1598
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: actually liked that song on the calm Down song you

1599
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: need to Calm Down, until I heard the shade thing

1600
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: and I was like that seems a little strange. And

1601
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: then the playing at stonewall of it all really pushed

1602
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: me over the edge. I was like, see, now this

1603
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 1: is a co opting moment. This is where you are

1604
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 1: just kind of centering yourself on it. But like, also

1605
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: truly like the Taylor's the Swifty hate that you you

1606
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: especially got to be honest, I didn't get too much.

1607
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: I got I got it from the specific people. This

1608
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,799
Speaker 1: one person who came for me and l yeah, racially

1609
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 1: attacked Joel for saying his father doesn't love him and

1610
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: because you're an adopted child, blah blah blah blah, then

1611
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 1: coming to me and being like, must well, first of all,

1612
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: I did a cover of Gay Rights featuring and Dowd,

1613
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: which is one is my song, which is a mad song,

1614
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: so I do it's a yes, Betty, Oh my god, Wow,

1615
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: that's do a cover. Oh my god, incredible. And when

1616
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: Swifty comes after me and I know I saw I

1617
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: didn't like and goes, wow, y'all are bored. Hant I go,

1618
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: thanks for the quote. I was like, not really starting.

1619
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: I was just like kind of like, I see you,

1620
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 1: not like insulting her or anything. And then she's just like, well, yeah,

1621
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: I guess you. I guess. I guess it's I guess

1622
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 1: verified but irrelevant Twitter life must must be, must be boring.

1623
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, must pay the bill somehow. I was like,

1624
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: I told her, was like, I have multiple revenue streams

1625
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with the way that you've

1626
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: chosen to interact with me on this. These people, I

1627
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,320
Speaker 1: look around in public spaces and I'm like, is it you?

1628
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: Is it you? I know? And the crazy thing is

1629
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: they are out there in droves. Yes, but it's like

1630
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: this blind like do you love a diva so a

1631
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: songstress so much that you would like go out of

1632
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: your way on the internet to like, sorry Kelly, but

1633
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I would never ruin someone's life in the name of

1634
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: Kelly because I know that she wouldn't want me to

1635
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: do that. I celebrate the gospel, Kelly, come on, I

1636
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 1: don't tell. And also Kelly would get on her Twitter

1637
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: and clap clap down, and that's why hasn't really done

1638
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: that yet. No, here's the thing, And look, you can't

1639
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: just come out as first of all, it's privileged to

1640
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: even say I'm going to play Stonewall. It's just it's

1641
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 1: like what It's like, what was the process there? Also,

1642
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: you've done truly nothing for the gay community at all.

1643
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:56,880
Speaker 1: She's donated. I mean, you know what, I'm not going

1644
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 1: to say, she's not done nothing. But it's just funny. However,

1645
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: Man's like has done that. She really drove a lot

1646
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: of donations to GLAD, Like, okay, great Glad, we love GLAD.

1647
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 1: But it's of course it's a media organization that like counts,

1648
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: like engagement with like gay media. Like I think there's

1649
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: a thing where you have like when you're a successful woman,

1650
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: the only way that all of society is going to

1651
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: accept you is if you also play into this like

1652
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 1: underdog narrative and I hate myself and why am I here?

1653
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 1: And it's hard to get and keep an underdog narrative

1654
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: when you're insanely successure. So I think she's trying to

1655
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: attach herself to a cause or an underdog narrative to

1656
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: be like, see, I'm still you can still from still

1657
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: a cause to be rooted for. It's not zero sum.

1658
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think it's like I think. I

1659
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 1: think it's good that she is like kind of like

1660
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: modeling a new version of Ally ship in. But it's

1661
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: just like they're just these little little holes that I

1662
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: keep I keep I I keep poking into like the tailor,

1663
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: like the fandom of it all. Just be like wait,

1664
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: hold on, look, every Ally, it's always good to have allies,

1665
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: And if anyone wants to step forward and say they're

1666
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: an Ally, that's amazing. I support them. But like you

1667
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: have to with her, understand, But it's always a business.

1668
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: But with what bas thing, which is like yeah the

1669
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,480
Speaker 1: whip saw on all this is that she's so successful,

1670
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:19,839
Speaker 1: but then she still needs to like kind of cultivate

1671
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,960
Speaker 1: something water, something that's that's tough, that's tough, like Goga

1672
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: on the Star is Born Tour like she's someone who

1673
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 1: I look to to be like how what does believing

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Speaker 1: in yourself and giving no fox look? And then the

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01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: Oscar to it felt all of a sudden like whoa,

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01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:39,240
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm here. Gee willockers me like will

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01:33:39,479 --> 01:33:44,120
Speaker 1: yeah your way here? Yeah you as someone who lives

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01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: in g is mired and g Willaker, I need to

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01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: get out of it and learn how to get out

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01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: of it, like it's the only way that all of

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01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: society is going to except a woman. That is something

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01:33:55,400 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 1: Beyonce does well because she's fully She's fully out there,

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01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: like this is a documentary about how an Apple in

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01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 1: four Months, which has its problematic ship where it's lying,

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01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 1: but it's like Beyonce is literally like she will never

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01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 1: show up and say she'll barely say thank you. She'll

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01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: she shows up and she says m which I love

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01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: with the Gaga Star is Born of it all, what

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01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: I choose to believe is that she is. She was.

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01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 1: You know, her whole career is about performing fame, and

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01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: for this stage in her career, she was performing in

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01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: the like yes, the Yeah, the Star is Born narratives

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01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: Starlett who's just like and my and it couldn't have

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01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 1: done it without that man, like that's like such a

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01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: it's such a fun juicy, like ridiculous thing. And Bradley

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01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: Mark like just so funny. And also the dichotomy between

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01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: the performances of Shallow by herself and the performances of

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01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: Shallow with him, like gingerly holding each other's fingertips as

1699
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,040
Speaker 1: she glides up the stage of the Oscars and turns

1700
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: to face him while he flatly sings that first first

1701
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 1: and then like sweeps her gown and sits on the piano,

1702
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: and Middley sings meanwhile at the Grammy and she's like,

1703
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: she's like fully like screaming, I'm likely Lady Garga. Yes,

1704
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: she had to play the part that she there was.

1705
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: She was a small town girl that they plucked out

1706
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:15,720
Speaker 1: of nowhere for the film. You were playing the stadiums

1707
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: for Wow, And honestly, here we all just did a

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01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: collective I don't think so, Honey, we dad, We don't think.

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01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: We don't think. It was so so amazing to have

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01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: you here. I mean, like you know now, but and

1711
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,280
Speaker 1: you've known before, but we couldn't be bigger fans. And

1712
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 1: now I feel the same. Oh my god, we try.

1713
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 1: I cried. I left my body. I left my body.

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01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 1: In fact Um season three of Treason, I almost said,

1715
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: as a joke, season again, but like it's no joke.

1716
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: Glee has been canceled for years. Glow is still on,

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01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Honey and it's coming back on August nine. Patty Gilpin,

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01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,799
Speaker 1: love you guys, Thank you so much. Oh my god.

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01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: We we will do. We'll sing a quick little song.

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01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: Did you finish every every um episode with a song? Jill?

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01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Miss something girl Fine. This has been a Forever Dog

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Speaker 1: production executive produced by Brett Bollum, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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