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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: episode two of Joe Daly's Eye Guys to production of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where you take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially,

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Speaker 1: off the top, fuck the Cooke Brothers, Fuck Fox News,

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Speaker 1: Fuck Rush Limbaugh and is it Limbaugh or Limbaugh Limbaugh?

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Speaker 1: And fuck Buck Sexton. That guy I don't want. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to look at him. Uh, it's Tuesday, June.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien ak Potatoes O'Brien, and I'm

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined by my co host lil Zam

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Speaker 1: herself Jamie Loft. It's nice to hear your voice from

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Speaker 1: from the farthest. Yeah, you've been missed, but it has

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Speaker 1: been a week. Um yeah, Miles has taken the day

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Speaker 1: since he packed like three years worth of episodes into

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Speaker 1: a single week last week. Yeah, I'm very glad. Yes,

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Speaker 1: me too. We are thrilled to be joined in our

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Speaker 1: third seat by the hilarious, the talented Sara June. Yo,

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Speaker 1: gotta talk low because my voice is gone. I don't

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Speaker 1: have a voice that anymore. I'm sorry, I don't know

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Speaker 1: it sounds good. It's I don't think anyone's going to

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Speaker 1: have any trouble differentiating our voices on today's episode. What

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Speaker 1: how did you how did you lose your voice? Was

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Speaker 1: there some sporting event that I wasn't aware of event

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Speaker 1: over the week? Yeah, yeah, I was like, UM one

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Speaker 1: team that was like two thousand people and then UM

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Speaker 1: one team that was uh, none of those people showed up. Well,

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Speaker 1: there were I heard. I heard the other team was

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Speaker 1: actually undercover in the crowd. Oh if you saw a

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Speaker 1: sign that was spelled poorly by someone looking very nervous

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Speaker 1: that I heard was someone from the other team. That

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Speaker 1: that anybody in a uniform over blocks and blocks and blocks.

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Speaker 1: And there were sure a lot of helicopters, They're sure were,

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Speaker 1: and those gigantic McCall it's the huge drones. Yeah, big

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Speaker 1: big drones of the other teams. Yeah, the presence of

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Speaker 1: the other team was there. But you know what else?

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Speaker 1: Was there a lot of teenagers very happy with protest

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Speaker 1: the police doing performative misspelling? Is that a thing that

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Speaker 1: we were just kids riding around with their on their

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Speaker 1: skate boards with like misspelled words. No, because cops can't

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Speaker 1: flexible enough to like bend their knee enough to push

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Speaker 1: so were you guys both at protests or marches over

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Speaker 1: the over the weekend? Oh yeah, baby, Oh yeah baby,

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Speaker 1: it was good. I mean, I I don't know what

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Speaker 1: then uh, Sunday not so much. Yeah, very interesting because

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Speaker 1: appear some cities still haven't quite gotten that. No, Yes, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: Portland's slow. They have slow internet. Internet set hasn't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: testing away for a couple of days, and that's that's

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Speaker 1: fucking bio terrorism. Um, like a thing dictators do. And

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Speaker 1: Uh in New York I heard, um, you know, none

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Speaker 1: like fucking abysmal. Do you think we should just abolish it?

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Speaker 1: feeling it. Yeah, Okay. We're also going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a new stage of MSM coverage of protests where they're

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Speaker 1: acknowledging the violent backlash from police. Well, we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: all that plenty more. But first, are Jume. We like

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Speaker 1: task our guest, what is something from your search history

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Speaker 1: that is revealing about who you are? I UM recently

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Speaker 1: searched to find who was the costume designer on the

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Speaker 1: movie Hackers. That movie I recently watched for the first

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Speaker 1: time on VHS You're welcome, uh, and it was life changing.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Lillard's costumes in that movie are the best things.

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Speaker 1: So Matthew Lillard plays this like, yeah, Pek Lillard teen Hacker.

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Speaker 1: It's and also, oh my god, Angelia and Jolie in

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Speaker 1: this movie, please like she wears the coolest fucking biker

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Speaker 1: Jolie when this movie came out. She was very young. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like there's so many corny lines, but the line that

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Speaker 1: and you like that because it completely defines your generation. Right.

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Speaker 1: chance to try new tactics will officially declaring the old

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Speaker 1: tactics and institution officially be fucked. I believe it's being

427
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: the pronunciation on that. Could I get a yeah. She

428
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: she makes the point that it's the end of policing

429
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: as we know it, and it's about recognizing the role

430
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: the policing plays in our society right now is has

431
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: never been uh right, and should we shouldn't allow to

432
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: continue to have the position that it has. And she

433
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: she makes the point that almost every one of America's

434
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: most pressing social issues have just been handed over to

435
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: the police and been like, all right, you guys have

436
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: guns and handcuffs, like you you handle it, and uh,

437
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: you know. Then she goes through these a series of

438
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: examples of like the housing crisis, the fact that police

439
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: are like the go to people who are institution that

440
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: deals with homeless people in our world in a lot

441
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: of cities, never once helped in there. I mean, it's

442
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: like they're they're regularly deployed to homeless encampments to destroy

443
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: them for no reason. And then yeah, yeah, when when

444
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: parts of our society are criminalized and then just given

445
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: to the police to solve, When the police their whole

446
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: training has been um how to escalate a violent situation,

447
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't actually one where one doesn't exist a lot

448
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: of like what as I've been attempting to discuss this

449
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: with like my family, and like, I know a lot

450
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: of people are doing that right now. I fel some

451
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: areas I've been able to make headway is just UM

452
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: first of all. Yeah, Like I feel like a lot

453
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: of boomers default to like, well, we can't have anarchy,

454
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, there is a plan. If you

455
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: would simply bing it father, you would find that there's

456
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: a number of plans, but just all so that UM

457
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: crime naturally decreases if you're not creating situations of desperation

458
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: for people, Like it's there's so many crimes can be

459
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: just made to never happen if you're providing basic services

460
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: with mental health, if you're providing basic services with UM

461
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: for the house, like it. It goes on and on,

462
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: like problems disappear if you have systems in place that

463
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: don't escalate them intentionally. Yeah, Like, the place that this

464
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: concept was most familiar to me was how like the

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Speaker 1: War on drugs being changed to more of a treatment

466
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: funding recovery, and that that is an idea that I

467
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: feel like people have at least been exposed to that

468
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: instead of driving tanks through people's homes to do a

469
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: drug bust. We find other ways of addressing that situation,

470
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: but public education is a way that this manifests that

471
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: I think is coming into sharper focus for me, at least,

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00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: the idea of just you know, obviously paying teachers more,

473
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: reducing classroom size, like things that cost money, and the

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Speaker 1: way that I hadn't realized how many public schools have

475
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: like contracts with the police to patrol the entryways and

476
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: hallways and you know, arrest kids. The a c l

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00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: U had a tweet yesterday that three million students attend

478
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: schools that have cops but no nurses, and that's yeah,

479
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: it just intentionally escalates things. And there's also been uh,

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00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of well known. There's a

481
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: whole website dedicated to teachers who are using their own

482
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: money to buy supplies and have to like there's a

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00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: I forget what sorry if you remember, but there's a

484
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: specific like go fund me for teachers to post, Hey,

485
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: I want to provide a basic service for my students,

486
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: but it's not funded by the school and I can't

487
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: afford it on my salary. Can you help? And like

488
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that that I mean, there's

489
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: there's so many issues in public schools that like it's

490
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: starts with the police. It goes to teachers aren't paid enough,

491
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: it goes to their like teachers aren't hired diversely enough,

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00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: and teachers don't reflect the communities that they're serving. And

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00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: and then it goes on to like we are still

494
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: miss teaching and omitting so much history that it's everything

495
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: from the way that schools are structured to what we

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00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: teach in the schools. And one thing that I've found, Yeah,

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00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: one thing that I think is really helpful in trying

498
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: to explain this to people is that when you take

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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: money away from the police, and when you talk about

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: taking money away from the police, we're not just like, yeah,

501
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: give me my tax dollars back. It's about taking money

502
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: away from a department that does not solve the problems

503
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: that it is supposed to solve and putting that money

504
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: into other places. The less money the police have, the

505
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: more money you have for education and for health care

506
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: and for housing services, because like, yeah, what is crime

507
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles? What is half the fucking crime in

508
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? It's living on the street. If you make

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00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: living on the street not a crime. And if you

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00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: give people living on the street places to live that

511
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: are not the street, guess what, crime goes down. If

512
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: you give people you have solved the problem. If you

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00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: give people who are mentally ill their resources and instead

514
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: of destroying their homes and taking their ship and taking

515
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: their meds, which is what the l a p D

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00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: does to homeless people, then you have a lot less

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00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: problems with people on the street. Yeah. And if you

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00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: just I mean, provide more legal services for unhoused people

519
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: as well, Like there's so many there, there are so

520
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: many people who need to speak with um with legal services,

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00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: and the only way they can get them is by

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00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: seeking out a nonprofit that serves on housed people. Because

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00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: the city, state, whatever of all you're coming at it on,

524
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: is just not providing or deeply obscuring and underfunding programs

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00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: that could actually stand two help and improve. I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to talk about one thing that, like

527
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: all of this sounds so obvious, you know when you

528
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: say it like this is like, if you give people

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00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: the resources that they need, crime goes down because people

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00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: are not desperate and people are not being put in

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00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: jail for the economic reality that they live in. But

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00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: there is a reason that our system has been set

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00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: up like this, and there is a reason the war

534
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: on drugs is as a very clear example, like Jack

535
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: was saying, the point of the war on drugs was

536
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: not to eliminate drugs. It was to put black people

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00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: in jail. The point of criminalizing homelessness is not to

538
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: criminalize homelessness. It's to put people of color and poor

539
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: people in jail. It is to get them into the

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00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: prison industrial system. And not only do we do that

541
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: because our because the whole system is built on putting

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00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: poor people in the system so that corporations can continue

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00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: to make money off of them when they're in a

544
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: private prison or whatever the funk, but also because in

545
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: this country, we and I mean we're not alone here,

546
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: not to say this is simply an American problem, but

547
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: we criminalize these actions and we do not provide resources

548
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: because at the foundation of our moral imperative as America is,

549
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: if you do not work, you deserve to be in jail.

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00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: The idea that people who do not work or cannot

551
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: work do not deserve resources like addiction counseling and like

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00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: permanent support of housing. The idea that these kinds of

553
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: things are privileges and not rights. Is designed to keep

554
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: people outside of the system of success. You know, look

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00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: at putting it no no, I thought that was a

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00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: really great way of putting it that I like, what, yes,

557
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: when we put it this way makes sense. The way

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00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: that they're going to put it, or the way that

559
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: we should almost be thinking about the current status quo

560
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: is the American public and the media that they kind

561
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: of consume on a regular basis will generally put all

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00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: of the things we're talking about funding, they'll frame them

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00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: as handouts. And the the thing that we are spending

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00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the budget on is like, you know,

565
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: they won't say this, but it's basically turning the local

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00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: news into an action movie where the police are like

567
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: a heroic force that we get to watch excitingly, uh,

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00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, defend these You know, the myth is powerful.

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00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: The white supremacy is powerful, and it's not I talked

570
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: about how The Help is the number one was the

571
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: number one trending movie on Netflix last week, and it's

572
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: so it's so powerful to believe that white supremacy only

573
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: looks like Bryce Dallas Howard and it's white supremacy looks

574
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: like all of the things that people go to action

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: movies to see. It's, uh, it looks like I've been

576
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: reading some fucking theory and and it is. I've been

577
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: reading this book about it's called The Protestant Work Ethic

578
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: in the Spirit of Capitalism, and it's good. It's pretty dense,

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00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: but it's good. And the book starts out by quoting

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00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: Benjamin Franklin, and Benjamin Franklin's you know, he's He's got

581
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot of writing on this subject, but it's specifically

582
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: close to one essay where Benjamin Franklin is like time

583
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: is money, and if you waste time, it's like wasting money.

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00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: And if you invest your time, it's like investing money,

585
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: and you make a lot of money. Right, And this

586
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: is like something I read definitely when I was in

587
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: fifth grade or whatever, studying Benjamin Franklin. And what I

588
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: love about this book is that it's a German philosopher

589
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: and he quotes Benjamin Franklin saying this, and then he's like, Okay,

590
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: so this guy is a fucking pervert, right, Like this

591
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: guy's insane, Like this is a crazy way to think

592
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: about human life and time. And in America. We think

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00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: of that as like normal, like yes, time is money

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: and uh, money is worth and people are money. And

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00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: if you examine that foundational thing, the idea that somebody

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00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: who does not work is a waste because they are

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00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: not money, and the idea that they should not be

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00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: given money because they do not generate any money, that

599
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: is what is at the foundation of all This is

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00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: why the police have been tasked with solving all of

601
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: these problems, because we don't want to give people fucking

602
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: money and ship and it turns out, wow, that doesn't

603
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: actually work, that doesn't solve those problems. And there are

604
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: so many people who really believe that there are humans

605
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: who do not deserve to live. I mean we saw

606
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 1: this with COVID where it was like, wow, COVID is

607
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: really killing old people, and a lot of people people

608
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: were like, well fuck it, they don't work anyway, right there,

609
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: They've they've passed their time of like contract and and

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00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: the only and and just making it like the one

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00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: to one of like, uh, contributing to society is directly

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: related to your ability to make money for someone else. Um. Yes,

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00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: And this is one thing that comes up a lot

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00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: I find when talking to older people about homelessness is

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00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've heard this argument from This is

616
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: also something that comes up a lot on next door.

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00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: If you ever getting on next door, there will always

618
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: be some fucking boomer on next door being like, why

619
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: do we allow the homeless in our lives? And you know,

620
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: and then someone will say, well, a lot of these

621
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: people are mentally ill or physically ill, or you know,

622
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: just down on their luck. You know, there's this myth

623
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Speaker 1: of the good homeless person versus the bad homeless person,

624
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: and the bad homeless person is the one who quote

625
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: unquote chooses to live on the street. And this is

626
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: always what the boomers say to try and fucking own you.

627
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I've met homeless people who it was

628
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: a choice. They lived on the street because they just

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00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to have a job and they didn't want

630
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: anyone to tell them what to do, and they would

631
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: rather live a difficult life on the street rather than

632
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: get a job and get in the system. And that's

633
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: supposed to fucking own you, because then it's like, here's

634
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: a person who has refused help, doesn't want help. My

635
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: thought is I don't give a fuck, Like I don't

636
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: fucking care if somebody is has decided to remove themselves

637
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: from the system. I don't think that means that that

638
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: person does not deserve resources and help. The idea that

639
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: you have to be a deserving poor or a deserving

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00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: immigrant or a deserving houseless person by by being willing

641
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: to work and being like, I want to participate in this,

642
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I simply cannot. And all the boomer arguments that are

643
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: like also erase every systemic uh situation that puts people

644
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: on the street in the first place, of people who

645
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: have been in prison for usually little to no reason

646
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: at all, and those people those people should sit vote. Yeah,

647
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: exactly exactly where it's like, no, this is it's like

648
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: it is all by design and um right, and it's

649
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: effect design neck next door, rang, all those things are

650
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: really you know, they're they're monetizing this underlying violent ethos

651
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: of like violence that I don't want to see, Like,

652
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't want it to happen in front of me.

653
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the violence, but I want

654
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: it there, uh, you know, maintaining the status quo. Yeah,

655
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: we believed that people should be punished for not contributing

656
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: in the way that's considered societally acceptable. Yes. Yeah, and

657
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: so in that thread, bridget Eileen tweets Abolishing the police

658
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: is about recognizing that every single effort at police reform

659
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: has only ever resulted in reinventing the same oppression all

660
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: over again. It's about recognizizing that maybe we just need

661
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: to start over with a clean slate. Um. And that

662
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: brings us to eight Can't Wait, which is the sort

663
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: of crooked media Pod Save America, uh, sort of plan

664
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: for addressing this not just them, but like that part

665
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: of the population, the liberal technocratic version. I think Pod

666
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Save the People is the podcast where many of the

667
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: organizers are from. Um. So yeah, okay, so it can't Wait.

668
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: Uh that I first want to just shout out to

669
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: all the listeners who are learning about police abolition versus

670
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: reformed very quickly. Um. I am like, I've been familiar

671
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: with the concept of police abolition for some time, but

672
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I truly did not understand the granular stuff involved until

673
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, the past two weeks. So shout out to

674
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: everyone that is genuinely trying to get good information and

675
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: wants to understand um, because there's I feel like there's

676
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: a lot of like zero to a hundred of like,

677
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: I totally get it, and it's like I'm still definitely learning. Um,

678
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: but here are some resources and some arguments against eight

679
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: can't wait. Uh So so yeah, it was put together

680
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: by a group of activists that go by citizen zero.

681
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: I believe it is very citizen zero cool, citizen zero

682
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: dot cool um and they they're basically they they like

683
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: rolled out this plan. It was immediately endorsed by a

684
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: number of celebrities. UM. But it's the eight things that

685
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: need to be um done immediately to decrease police violence

686
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: that they say by seventy two. I honestly I'm not

687
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: sure where this number comes from. But for most people,

688
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: for it's called it's called bang it, honey, it's uh

689
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: should have banged it. But but essentially, you know, for

690
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: for many people, that's not too little. But here are

691
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: the eights that can't wait. The first eight is band chokeholds,

692
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: and strangleholds. Uh. Then require de escalation, require a warning

693
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: before shooting. I think one of my least favorite of

694
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: the eights that can't wait, also the one that I

695
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: think is the most widely adopted. I'm pretty sure all

696
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: police have to warn you before they shoot already. That's

697
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: not the issue. That's truly not the issue. Uh. The

698
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: fourth eight is require that alternatives be exhausted before shooting.

699
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Again pretty vague. The fifth require officers to intervene when

700
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: excessive force is being used. Uh, band shooting at moving

701
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: vehicles establish a force continuum. You can bring that one,

702
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: uh there and require comprehensive reporting. Uh. The argument against this,

703
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean to to me, I'm very not into this point,

704
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: and there's been a number of people who have stepped

705
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: up and really broken down the exact reasons why this

706
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: reform plan are is sort of just a rehash version

707
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: of things that have been tried already. Uh. It does

708
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: not involve defunding them in really any way, shape or form.

709
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: And in fact, a lot of the reforms being suggested

710
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: would end up costing more taxpayer money to do, you know,

711
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: new training to do all this stuff that has been

712
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: attempted and a lot of police reform and it doesn't work.

713
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: That's why, you know, like you you can have there

714
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: there was a story, I want to remember what city

715
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: it was, but where a police officer assaulted the person

716
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: who had given their sensitivity training. Like it's it's it's

717
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: like it's a parody of itself. So I think, you know,

718
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's a lot of people who, you know,

719
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 1: feel that implementing the aids, which cannot weigh um will

720
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: make things better in an immediate sense. And then there

721
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: is another camp of thought that um rejects this and

722
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: an abolition. A police abolitionist group put together the eight

723
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: to Abolition plan Um, which is a lot of what

724
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: we were just talking about. It's defund the police. Number one,

725
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: love that demilitarized communities, removed police police from schools, free

726
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: people from prisons and jails, repeal laws criminalizing survival, invest

727
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: in community self governance, provide safe housing for everyone, and

728
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: invest in care not cops. So there there, there's a lot.

729
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: If you are still struggling with the concept of police abolition,

730
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: like I totally, I mean, I get it. It's if

731
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: you haven't considered it before, it's a weird shift in

732
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: your mindset, right, But it's huge. It's really good. Yeah,

733
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: it's and it goes back to like something that I

734
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: want to folk us and talk about a lot in

735
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: the future, which is just the way that policing is

736
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: introduced to you from the time you are like not

737
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: old enough to form your own thoughts and ideas, and

738
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: like going all the way to fucking paw Patrol. I'll

739
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: do it. I'll call out paw Patrol. But the way

740
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: the police chase to fuck Chase, Chase resign, Chase, resign.

741
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't want your knee, Chase, I want your badge.

742
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: I keep pitching this sketch at work that's like paw

743
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Patrol a cab and no one votes for it because

744
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: everyone's a coward. Uh. It is such a good idea.

745
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: What I've gotten so much rejected this week. I don't

746
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: know where to start. I did a show at the

747
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: Hideout in Chicago. I did a show their last year

748
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: Monkey Wrench Comedy, and they had a sketch that was

749
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: very good and it was Brooklyn a cab and it

750
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: was just it was like, you know, um, the two

751
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: main cops being like, well, we're gonna have a competition

752
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: for how many people's arms we can break while zip

753
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: tying them. Uh, And yeah, it was great. It's fucking great.

754
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Brooklyn nine must take it like there there was Yeah,

755
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,919
Speaker 1: it's like all I cannot do. I cannot fucking tell

756
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: you how excited I am that the ship I've been

757
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: yelling about for years, is now something people are actually

758
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: taking seriously. Every time I was like Pop Patrol sucks

759
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: buck Chase, everyone was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, some

760
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: cops are good. It's not like he has a gun

761
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: on Pop Patrol blah blah blah, and I was like,

762
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Brooklyn nine nine. I can't. Oh, it's

763
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: so funny. I can't watch it because I can't really,

764
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: I can't relax. I can't relax and and act like

765
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: they're not cops on this show and they're just like

766
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: there's such a president for it too. Of of like,

767
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to more closely study the entire

768
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: history of cops because they've like evolved and mutated over

769
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: the course of years too. Where there's I mean, it's like,

770
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: obviously the Wolf Empire is something that needs to be

771
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: spoken to, but even just like the Buddy Cops genre

772
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: and making cops cute and fuzzy and giving them these

773
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: home lives and like these problems and just giving them

774
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: these good guys and just giving them like narrative like

775
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: wait in a way that victims are never I mean,

776
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: just the dick Wolf, you know, extended universe alone of

777
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: just the people who appear as victims for two seconds.

778
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about them other than here is

779
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 1: a corpse or here is like their friend, and it's

780
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: just you know it those Buddy Cup movies like Lethal

781
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: Weapon that you're talking about, Like, the thing that is

782
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: abnormal about these cops is that they're loose cannons. Like

783
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: that's what's cool about them is that they can't even

784
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: be held to the standards of other police when it

785
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: comes to using violence. That is what I like. That

786
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: is that I rush on rushed sci fi over the

787
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: weekend and it's like an L A. P. D. Fucking

788
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: infomercial recruiting thing, like, uh, it's but it's that's why

789
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 1: I like, Yes, I'm glad you brought up the fact that, uh,

790
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, I I am asking for patients as as

791
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: I get my mind around and like just fucking detoxify.

792
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Uh you know, the vast majority of media that I

793
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: consume for entirety in my life. It's really good that

794
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: people are now talking about the fact that the media

795
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: that we consume shapes or ideas about things in the

796
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: real world. The fiction, the fictional narratives that we consume

797
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: shape or ideas and that we have all been taught

798
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: many things that we are not aware of because they

799
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: were given to us in propaganda. And the fact that

800
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: we're surrounded by propaganda is like it's a very hard

801
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: thing to come to terms with and it feels really

802
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: bad because it's kind of inside you. But I'm I

803
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: am so excited and so fucking thrilled that people are

804
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: talking about this and acknowledging this now because you can't

805
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: just it feels like until this point there was just

806
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: a that doesn't apply to me, that doesn't that doesn't apply.

807
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm not stupid. I know stuff, and it's like you don't.

808
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: It's not about being smart or dumb. It's about being

809
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: raised in a world that is trying to teach you

810
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: something in order to use power in a certain way. Yeah. Yeah,

811
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: I want to keep on that beat. But it's it's

812
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: it is so like it's it's we are starting with kids,

813
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: and so if you like, I would say, if you're

814
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: still having trouble like wrapping your head around, well, but

815
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: some cops are good, you know. I think I was

816
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: having a talk with my dad this weekend because we

817
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: used to live like a few doors down from a

818
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: cop growing up and there I'm slowly I swear to God,

819
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna my dad's gonna be Antifa by the end

820
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: of this month. Like we're making serious progress. But he has.

821
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: His whole argument was, um, he doesn't really watch cop

822
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 1: TV shows, but he's just like, well, I don't understand,

823
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: like I don't think that Kevin would ever do something bad.

824
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: But it's even if that's true, which there's no way

825
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: of us knowing that that is true just because it's

826
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: nice to us his white neighbors. Uh, even if that

827
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: is true, if we're going on that assumption, he knows

828
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: someone who that is not true for. And on top

829
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: of that, it's like you can't think of it on

830
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: an individual to individual basis. You have to think of like,

831
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: what is the system they're voluntarily participating in and if

832
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: it needs to go, it fucking needs to go, Like

833
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: fuck cap funck, Officer Kevin, I don't know there. I

834
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,240
Speaker 1: will say, I'll say this, why don't you bing Adrian

835
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: Schoolcraft if you want to find out about a good

836
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: cop just being that Adrian school Craft. There's a lot

837
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: of things that we all need to bang and wrap

838
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: our heads around. But yeah, just keep in mind that

839
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: if you are holding onto the idea of a good cop,

840
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: just you know, interrogate where does that come from? Does

841
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: it come from any lived experience you've actually had, or

842
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: does it come from things that you have seen happen

843
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: on TV or in movies. Yeah, I'm I'm having a

844
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: very weird time right now because I fortunately do not

845
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: have to unlearn any cops are bad and don't funk

846
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: with them stuff, because like I was not raised with

847
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: the idea that that cops are there to help you,

848
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: and that has proven extremely useful and good in my

849
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: life to to actually never really depend on cops for

850
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: anything and also avoid them at all costs. Yeah, that's

851
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: been very, very helpful. Yeah, I think a lot of

852
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: white people are starting to, uh, you know, had like

853
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: the the idea, the argument being like what if somebody

854
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: like there's something suspicious happening at your house, Like what

855
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 1: are you going to do if they abolish the police?

856
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Like realizing that if you call the police, you're like wrong,

857
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: that that is causing more problems then it's solving. Is

858
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: is something that I think people. My friended a guy

859
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: with a knife masturbating outside of her window, and she

860
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: called the police, and they did not arrive. That's the day.

861
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: Half the time, they don't even fucking show up, like

862
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: you just fall off. So it's like, Yeah, if there's

863
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: a violent crime and you were assaulted, what do you do.

864
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: That's a great fucking question, and I would like to

865
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: answer it currently. And if you're and if you're and

866
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: if you're also like if you're a police detective, like

867
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: that's a lot of the law and order universe. It's

868
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: the same ship like there. I My one experience with

869
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: the police detective was when I was in college and

870
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I posted a negative Yelp review about the place that

871
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: I had been working because they had been like sexually

872
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: harassing me and been terrible. So I stopped working there

873
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: and then I posted a Yelp review. They subsequently threatened

874
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: to murder me. And I lived three blocks away from

875
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: the police place. They or not the police place, sorry,

876
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: the pizza place. They knew where I lived and so

877
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: they were like, we're gonna send someone to kill you.

878
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: So I was like hiding in my house terrified. I

879
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. So it was one of

880
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: the only times in my life I've contacted the cops.

881
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: And first of all, nothing happened. They showed up at

882
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: the place and they're like she's lying and they were like,

883
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: oh okay. And then I had a follow up call

884
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: two days later with the police detective that was just

885
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: literally said, I hope the takeaway you get from this

886
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: is that you shouldn't post stuff like that on the

887
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: internet and it could really come back to haunt you.

888
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: And that's so, you know, police, there's no actual what's

889
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: what the fun There's no there's very few Jerry or

890
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: Box out there that are like achieved. It's it's just

891
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: it's fiction. It is and and it it's fiction, and

892
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: it's good fiction because it gets people to continute. You

893
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: join these institutions because they are motivated sometimes by pure heart,

894
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, they want to help people, and then they

895
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: get into a system that's like, yeah, we don't really

896
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah. I was listening to, uh an episode

897
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: of a podcast I just learned about called Running from Cops,

898
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: which is a UH I don't know if it's an

899
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: episode by episode, but it's an examination of the live

900
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: action like Cops quote unquote reality show, and and there's

901
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: there's that's another huge thing. But there they interviewed um

902
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: police forces that were like, hey, did you see an

903
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: increase in applications when this show took off? And they

904
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: were like, oh, absolutely, Like there there's no doubt that

905
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: seeing like live action interactions and we don't know how

906
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's reality TV. Who fucking knows. Uh,

907
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: perhaps there's more in the podcast. I've only listened to

908
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: one episode, but but that there is a marked It's

909
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: the same thing when like a Transformers movie comes out

910
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: in listing in, the military goes up like it's a

911
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: proven system and they pay for this. This is the thing,

912
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: is like the military pays for this because it works,

913
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: and the CIA funds the fucking Jack Ryan movies because

914
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: they make the CIA look cool and good. And to

915
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: deny that this propaganda is being given to you is

916
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: just kind of naive. You can say like I don't

917
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: believe it, but you cannot deny that that is the

918
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: purpose of it. Yeah, that's some good news. I've found

919
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: that the CIA is funding the Jack Ryan movies with

920
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 1: let's face Jim from the office. Ye yeah, oh yeah.

921
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: I shout out to it to all the listeners that

922
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: were like, what's so wrong with John Krasinski. When I

923
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: first made fun of some good news. Um, I feel

924
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: that history has redeemed me, which absolutely has. Yeah. I

925
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: mean there's all these interviews with John Krasincy going well.

926
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: I always thought the CIA was really cool, and then

927
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: I got hired on this movie and I like talked

928
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: to the CIA guys about how they want to be

929
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: portrayed because they're so fucking cool and I always thought

930
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: that they were like awesome. Fuck John Krasinski. I didn't

931
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: watch that show, but I listened to a podcast. I

932
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: think it was Choppo trap House did a rewatch of

933
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: that show, and it opens with them being like, you

934
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: know what the worst, like the biggest threat to America

935
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: is then is well, because it's like left wings. I

936
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: did voice over work to pay for my rent one

937
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: month last year and had to like recap an episode

938
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: of Jack Ryan and it is truly like there's just

939
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: like flagrant racism in the first scene and then and

940
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: then we're on and we're off to the racist it's yeah,

941
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: more cop propaganda. He's a CIA agent, and the narrative

942
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: that it's like the whole the CIA going into Central

943
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: and South America and overthrowing like instituting dictatorships to uh

944
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, takedown leaders of people who are even slightly

945
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: to the left or talk about socializing lander. That is

946
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: the that's the whole game. Basically, it's fucking it's red

947
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: scarabuleshit and it's so like for people who what's really

948
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: scary about that is, you know, we don't learn in

949
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: school about the many countries that the US has overthrown.

950
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: And when the only information that you have about the

951
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: CIA and and the Secret Service is that they protect

952
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: the president and like are cool, and then they go

953
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: into these countries and um, help them not be oppressed

954
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: by socialism or communism. That's pretty strong. You know, people

955
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: just you take that as reality when the reality actually

956
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: is that, um, you know, a private security firm tried

957
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: to overthrow Venezuela, probably funded by Trump, and they were

958
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: captured by a bunch of fishermen. That's what happened. That's

959
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: what really happens. That story is unbelievable because he been

960
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: other other private security places. We're saying estimating it would

961
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: costs one point five billion, and he asked for a

962
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: two million dollar retainer and they were like, yep, okay,

963
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: let's go with that guy. He seems like he knows

964
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: what he's doing. Sure does so to so to bring

965
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: it back, I guess to to eight can't wait versus

966
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: the like eight to abolition plans um. You know, it's

967
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: it's it's important that you do your homework on it.

968
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: You gotta bang it. You got like if if it's

969
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: not if it's an uncomfortable concept to you, like challenge

970
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: yourself and try to fully understand what it is. And

971
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: in most of the conversations I've had so far about

972
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: it with people that I honestly was not expecting to

973
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: come around, have been effective and it it I mean,

974
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: look at Minneapolis, it is effective to have these conversations

975
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: and to challenge yourself beyond the idea of expensive, historically

976
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: ineffective reform measures. Yeah. One of the a piece of

977
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: evidence that really like put into stark relief. Like what

978
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: the problem with they can't wait is is they gave

979
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: the Tampa police a bad a bad grade for there

980
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: the eight can't wait, And the mayor came out and said,

981
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: we actually have all it already. So because they're all

982
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: so vague, possible to yeah, yeah, yeah, well we already

983
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: have the Yeah, I think they can't wait. Also, the

984
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: Minneapolis police department I believe, had five of those things

985
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: as official policies. The issue is not really what is

986
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: the official policy of police violence, because in the vast

987
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: majority of police violence, that's already a thing, that's already

988
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: a rule they're already breaking, and they don't get prosecuted

989
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: for it. It is already illegal to shoot an unarmed

990
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: person on their knees in front of you. That is illegal,

991
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: but they do it and they don't go to jail

992
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: because even the oh it's illegal, if you have a

993
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: d A who will not prosecute, then you can just

994
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: get away with it. That's not it's not like we're

995
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: not we're not starting from zero here, and every police

996
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: department has a d A that will not prosecute. Like

997
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: that seems to be the lesson we've learned. Um, I realized,

998
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm just realizing we didn't take our second break. Uh

999
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: So let's do that and then we'll wrap it up

1000
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes afterwards, and we're back. Any

1001
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 1: stories you guys wanted to hit on. There's this Fox

1002
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 1: News graphic that is uh S and P five hundred

1003
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: in the one week after Martin Luther King Jr's assassination,

1004
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Rodney King case acquittal, Michael Brown death, and George Floyd death,

1005
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: and they're all you know, increases of more than one percent.

1006
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: So people were rightly outraged that that Fox did that.

1007
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: And in the context where they were just like and

1008
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 1: here's this information, like they treated it like it was uh,

1009
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: you know how the yeah, fun fact, this is how

1010
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: the market responds, almost as if like these murder pro right, yeah,

1011
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: and and like this is just a market condition that

1012
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, putting out there like it's a

1013
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: raising of the interest rate or something. They're just like,

1014
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: h and look at that. But I don't know, I

1015
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: think it's worth looking at the fact that I just

1016
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: think it's a good indication. Again, this isn't these are

1017
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 1: five or four data points in you know, uh sea

1018
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: of history of the stock market and stock market data.

1019
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: But I I do think it's a good example of, uh,

1020
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: you know how the stock market is a white supremacist

1021
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: institution inherently. And this doesn't surprise me in the least bit.

1022
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: And like if this information we're being presented by a

1023
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: leftist organization, I would think it was actually a really

1024
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: good point to bring forward that the stock market is

1025
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: at least a reflection of our white supremacist culture and

1026
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: also actively thrives on the white supremacist ideals that you know,

1027
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: make America possible and that are being enforced in all

1028
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: of these cases. Yeah, I mean, provided that Fox News

1029
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: checked their facts on this, which I never trust them

1030
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: to do. But but if if this is, I mean,

1031
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: I think that we've seen as recently, like as recently

1032
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 1: as coronavirus as well, that things that impact society and

1033
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: impact black people, impact poor people negatively increase. Like there

1034
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: there's a positive effect in the white supremacist powers that

1035
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: be like that. Unfortunately, Like it's like, it's not surprising

1036
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: to see these numbers at all. It's fucking disgusting, but

1037
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: it's not surprising. Trump is our first openly white supremacist

1038
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: leader of like and like since we were supposed to

1039
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: like supposedly against that sort of thing. And the stock

1040
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: market has just reached its peak and continued to hit

1041
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: new highs since he came into office. So it's I

1042
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: don't know, that's I mean, it's you know, I put

1043
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: nothing past this network, But just like presenting this as

1044
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: a positive it is just so just fucking gross. Well,

1045
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: it's it's just like if if the star market rises

1046
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: when black people die, Um, there's a very that's a correlation,

1047
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: you know, that's I would say that that means that

1048
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: the stock market is bad. Yeah, stock market might be

1049
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: a bad system. Yeah, it might not be serving really

1050
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: many people at all. Yeah. I don't know if the

1051
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: huge applele owning firms that you know, provide predatory homelands

1052
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: to black people might actually not have their interests in mind, right, well,

1053
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: almost almost as if, almost almost as if. And you know,

1054
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: this is a crazy thing to say, this is a

1055
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,959
Speaker 1: crazy thing to say, but I think George Bush doesn't

1056
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: care about black people. I think about that every fucking

1057
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: day now, every day, because every every time something happens

1058
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: in the news of people, Wow, this is crazy, Like

1059
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: how could this be? I just think George Bush doesn't

1060
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: care about black people. That's what's at the heart of it.

1061
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: Trump doesn't care about black people. Fucking Eric car said

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care about black people, like because if they

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Speaker 1: care about black people, these institutions would not be standing

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Speaker 1: the way they're standing. It's because people either don't care

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Speaker 1: about black people or actively want them to be fucking eliminated,

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Speaker 1: depending on who your neighbors are, you know, and not

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Speaker 1: just keeping them standing, like defending them to the absolute

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Speaker 1: death and plowing anyone out of the way, like it's

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Speaker 1: just holding them as systems that are objective, as like

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Speaker 1: this is a place, you know, the whole like the

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Speaker 1: black capitalist thing. Well, you know, the solution to capitalism

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Speaker 1: is not black capitalism, you know. Um. Well, sorry, June,

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Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure having you. Thank you for working

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Speaker 1: through your demolished voice. And uh, it's week. It's been

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Speaker 1: a weird couple of weeks. Yeah. Um, where can I

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Speaker 1: find you and follow you? You can find me at

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Speaker 1: hey sorry June dot com. That's my website and I'll

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Speaker 1: be putting some videos up. Um. And and that's it,

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Speaker 1: you know. Uh, look around online find some good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I will give a little plug. Um.

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Speaker 1: The End of Policing is a book by Alex butal

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Speaker 1: Utally and it is free right now on Versa so

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Speaker 1: and it is a great book. And if you have questions,

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Speaker 1: and you were, I've had a lot of I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of white friends asking you for resources in

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Speaker 1: the past week. So I am sending out resources. Very

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Speaker 1: good to read about this stuff, figure out for yourself

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Speaker 1: what you think about it. You know, you don't just

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Speaker 1: have to take my word for it. But the end

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Speaker 1: of policing is free, so give it a read. It's

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Speaker 1: not theory, it's not dense, it's it's a good book.

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Speaker 1: And it's like it's readable. I will say, I hate

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01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: when people ask for resources and then somebody's like, why

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Speaker 1: don't you readable, And it's like, I'm not gonna recapital

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Speaker 1: I have a job. It's just kidding. I actually don't

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Speaker 1: have a job. And I would love if you guys

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Speaker 1: would veend on me money. There's also bedmo. There's free

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Speaker 1: copies of uh, Angela Davis is Our Persons Obsolutely. I

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Speaker 1: can link that as well. But yeah, there's a free

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Speaker 1: pdf circulating of Our Prisons obsouste another short to the

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Speaker 1: point book that I read over the weekend. And it's

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Speaker 1: also just like a great moment to be talking about

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Speaker 1: and remembering Angela Davis, where I mean she is alive

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Speaker 1: and well and still speaking to this issue, like it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: and and I don't know, I was having a talk

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Speaker 1: with a friend of like I didn't learn about Angela

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Speaker 1: Davis in school, Like I didn't either yeah, uh, insane.

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Speaker 1: For people who don't read, that's fine. You can watch

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Speaker 1: Black Power MIXTAPEE two. I watched that movie when it

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Speaker 1: came out. That was when I found out about Angela

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Speaker 1: Davis and it definitely changed my life. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: a really really good movie. There's great, great archival footage,

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Speaker 1: the soundtracks fucking bonkers. It's great. Freedom watch on YouTube

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Speaker 1: right now as well. Like there's truly the resources are there.

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Speaker 1: All you have to do is being it. Um, sorry,

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Speaker 1: jun I asked. I forgot to ask you if there's

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Speaker 1: a tweet or some other active social media you've been enjoying. Oh,

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: there are so many tweets that I like. Um, I

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: will say, uh, you know, I just I don't know

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Speaker 1: what accounts they are. But there are so many tweets

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Speaker 1: that are threads of Um. There are threads that are

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01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: videos of police brutalizing protesters, which you can watch if

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01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,719
Speaker 1: you have anybody in your life who does not believe

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01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: that that happens. There are also threads of racist getting punched,

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 1: but are really could Some of them are stage, some

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: of them are not, But you can really learn how

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: to throw a punch from these videos. Um. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, videos on Twitter, that's the ship.

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01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: It really was like for a while until those cops

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: pushed that old man down in Buffalo, it was like

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Speaker 1: the only place we were getting to see police brutality, uh,

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Speaker 1: was on on social media. And then I feel like

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Speaker 1: that that video hit and then they were like, all right,

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Speaker 1: I guess we should probably stop abusing these people who

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Speaker 1: are Yeah. As as as horrible and unconscionable as that was,

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Speaker 1: it was frustrating and telling to see the people that

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden came around when it was an

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Speaker 1: old white guy who was put in harm's way. Jamie,

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Speaker 1: did I ask you if there is a tweet or

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Speaker 1: some other work as social media you've been enjoying. Uh

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Speaker 1: not yet, No, I will I as you may, thank

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Speaker 1: you for thank you for asking for consent. Jack O'Brien, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was it was so nice talking to

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Speaker 1: everybody today. It is it is very I don't know,

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Speaker 1: for it's bizarre getting I don't does this make does

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Speaker 1: that make sense? It's it's bizarre as people are like

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01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: letting BLM leave their news feed and they're going back

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Speaker 1: to talking about things that we were talking about two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago and going back to talking about quarantine and coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: It's all very I just wanted remind everyone to set

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Speaker 1: themselves up for a long game. And it's if it's

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01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: leaving your feed um, you know, ask yourself why why

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: is that? Is it the people you're following or not

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01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: paying attention to it? And if you feel like I

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01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: just I just want people to keep interrogating themselves in

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01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: making themselves uncomfortable talking to their families. It's not just

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: one discussion like it it's a long game. And and

1158
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: and if you don't understand and you're still fucking up,

1159
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: like you have to keep at it. That's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: And also if you're if you have been donating, set

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Speaker 1: up recurring donations. That's one way that I just like,

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Speaker 1: I'm stupid and I let things leave my mind sometimes.

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Speaker 1: So I just set up a number of recurring donations.

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Speaker 1: You don't even need to think about it, and so

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Speaker 1: keep giving to Bellefont's also give to UH Black Mental

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Speaker 1: Health Services. UM is another great place to give. I've

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Speaker 1: been I set up a recurring donation with beam Link

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Speaker 1: that too. Anyways, the tweet I would like to shout

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Speaker 1: out is from Brodie Reid the greatest. Uh he he uh.

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Speaker 1: There's been that graphics circulating around of the pyramid where

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Speaker 1: there's overt white supremacy and there's covert white premacy. Um,

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Speaker 1: genuinely a good graphic. Brody edited it and added other

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Speaker 1: things to covert white supremacy, including disrespecting black cost players,

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Speaker 1: um saying O J did it even though he did.

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Speaker 1: UM specifically Robert Downey Jr. Doing black face. Uh, British

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Speaker 1: actors doing American accents assuming we didn't have a scene

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Speaker 1: phase in high school. It's just really disson Keenan Thompson like,

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Speaker 1: it's just really funny. It's great, um, and everyone should

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Speaker 1: follow Brody at AO, bro brow if you're not already

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Speaker 1: the best at internet, Hippo tweeted progressives their fragile we needs.

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Speaker 1: Do you need to safe space hull protests begin? My god,

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Speaker 1: please call the United States military. UM think it's a

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Speaker 1: good summary of the past week. You can find me

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on

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Speaker 1: Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page on a website, daily

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Speaker 1: zius dot com, where we post our episodes and our

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Speaker 1: foot notes. We link off to the information that we

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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode as well as the song

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Speaker 1: we ride out on. And that song is going to

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Speaker 1: on A hose ni A, who's mike is not on,

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Speaker 1: but she did send me a message. And the song

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Speaker 1: will be called slow Burn by doom Tree. I made

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Speaker 1: that sound like I'm telling them to record it now,

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Speaker 1: but it's been recorded. It's called Slowburn. It's by doom Tree,

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Speaker 1: which is the American hip hop collective and record label

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Speaker 1: based in Minneapolis that pos Uh, former future guest on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, is from. So anyways, check out Slowburn. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna ride out on. H The Daily Zeitgeist

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Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: is going to do it for this morning. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back this afternoon to tell you what the trending and

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Speaker 1: we'll touch any that by cheat my Heart to the Sky.

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Speaker 1: to stop and chats, stay and shoot the fat. But

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Speaker 1: if you've seen a few from my shoes, Union, I

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Speaker 1: gotta sticks as high. When I got walls to paint

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Speaker 1: and plice to white has work for the young grid

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Speaker 1: and I've been known to build without a permit, though

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Speaker 1: my meat as a reason through. But in all funds

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Speaker 1: I can eat on too, like no sleeping. I'm in

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Speaker 1: so deep, chanic lord the block, but you can't blame

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Speaker 1: the seed.