1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: DAYBAQ podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Thursday, the twentieth of June in London. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepkot. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. UK inflation returns 6 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: to two percent, but the looming election makes the Bank 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: of England unlikely to cut rates today. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: New polling suggests that the UK Prime Minister could lose 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: his seat in Parliament as voting intentions point to a 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Tory wipeout. 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: Plus do you have what it takes? Hedge Fund Talent 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: schools are looking for the perfect trader. We lift the 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: lid on the in house training schemes for rising stars. 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: The Bank of England is expected to hold interest rates 16 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: steady when they announce their latest decision today. Most economists 17 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: belief policymakers will keep rates at five and a quarter 18 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: percent given the looming general election. Inflation finally reached the 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: Bank of England's target of two percent in the May 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: figures for the first time in nearly three years, but 21 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: as not West Market's UK rate strategy head Imagen Batterer 22 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: notes services inflation came in above the committee's expectation. 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: BOE had elevated service price inflation to be their key 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: indicator of inflation persistence. That's the key thing that they 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 3: were watching to give them the signal that they could 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: cut rate, and that service price inflation print at five 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: point seven still leaves an August cut. I think in 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: the balance, had it been higher, you could easily say 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: that an August cut was now off the card. Had 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: it been lower, I think you could say, yeah, that 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: brings an August cut, you know, to a clear base case. 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 3: But five to seven it's kind of a no man's 33 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: land print, and we're left with August still being our 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: sort of marginal base case for the first rate cut. 35 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: Image in Batterer from that west they're speaking as the 36 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: BOE has canceled all of its public statements until after 37 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: the election, meaning there'll be no clues about how the 38 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: inflation data may have changed the NPC's thinking. Ploomberg Economics 39 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: now season August rate cut as more likely than not. 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: Switzerland Central Bank also decides on interest rates today, with 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: economists split over whether or not they will cut the 42 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Swiss National Bank was the first major central bank to 43 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: reduce rates in March to one and a half percent, 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: and could now be the first to stop easing. Inflation 45 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: in Switzerland is low compared to peers, but price growth 46 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 1: also stopped slowing in recent readings, offering the SNB justification 47 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: either to cut or to hold. President Thomas Jordan's view 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: on the Swiss Frank will also be crucial after volatility 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: in the euro Frank rose in the wake of Immanuel 50 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: Macon's snap election call. 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: In the UK, three different polls are projecting a Conservative 52 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: wipeout in the fourth of July election, with one even 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: suggesting the Prime Minister will lose his seat. The poster 54 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: will see the Conservatives winning between fifty three and one 55 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty five places in Parliament, potentially the worst 56 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: result in its one hundred and ninety year history. Yugov's 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: director of political analytics, Patrick England, was behind one of 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: the surveys. 59 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 4: The polls do tend to narrow, and the governments do 60 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 4: tend to recover and their elections do become closer as 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: we go through the campaign, and we're just not seeing that. 62 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: In the minute one hundred and nine seats. We're currently 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 4: projecting as a toss up. Too close to call a 64 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 4: change election, yes, but things certainly could change in between 65 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: now and polling day. 66 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: That's Patrick English from Yugov. One of the other polling companies, Savanta, 67 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 2: is predicting that Richie Sunak would lose his seat. 68 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: The head of France's main business lobby has criticized both 69 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: the far right and the alliance of left wing parties, 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: saying that they are a danger to the economy. Medef's 71 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Patrick Martin told La Figaro newspaper that Marie Le Penn's 72 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: national rally will cut France off from the EU, while 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: the left wing Popular Front group wants to see a 74 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: massive rise in spending. The comments come as investors worn 75 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: of the weak economic backdrop to the parliamentary elections in France. 76 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: Here is Tikihau's head of Capital market strategy, Raphael tou A. 77 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 5: France came into this episode with a week positioning towards 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 5: its deficity. It's the second largest deficit in the Eurozone. 79 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 5: It's one of the highest racial date of LGDP at 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 5: ten percent. Remember that two weeks ago SMP dongrady its rating. 81 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 5: So the narrative was pretty harsh on friends before the 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,119 Speaker 5: addiction and is getting even worse. 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: Raphael Tuan was speaking ahead of a series of French 84 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: government bond auctions later today, which will test investor appetite 85 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: for the first time. Since President Macon called the snap 86 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: parliamentary elections, French bonds have seen one of the most 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: brutal routes in decades after the announcement. 88 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: China seems to be preparing a number of targets in 89 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: order to punish the European Union for its proposed tariffs 90 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: on electric cars. The superpower has started anti dumping investigations 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: into brandy, pork, cars and wine. Bloomberg's Stephen Engel says 92 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: a targeted retaliation is expected. 93 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 6: The European Union and we'll go ahead with about forty 94 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 6: eight percent tax on those Chinese evs, and there is 95 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 6: said to be through state media as well as hints 96 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 6: from the Chinese government that there's going to be retaliatory action, 97 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 6: probably more targeted against products that China can source elsewhere. 98 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Anglad strategic sectors like planemakers were likely to be excluded 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: from any trade friction. China is a large export market 100 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 2: from any EU countries. And its playbook could now hurt 101 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: specific industries in EU countries, reminiscent of how Beijane dealt 102 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: with Australia a few years ago. 103 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 1: Citygroup says that artificial intelligence is likely to displace more 104 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: jobs in banking than anywhere else. A report by the 105 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: bank predicts more than half of jobs in the sector 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: could be automated. Blue box James Orcok has more. 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 7: Long established jobs and firms will vanish and global profits 108 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 7: will be one hundred and seventy billion dollars higher in 109 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 7: the next five years. That's the verdict of Citygroup's report 110 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 7: into how AI will transform the world of finance. It 111 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 7: says fifty four percent of jobs in banking can be automated, 112 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 7: although firms may keep headcount steady is they hire AI 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 7: managers to keep in line with regulations. Some of the 114 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,559 Speaker 7: world's biggest banks are already poaching AI engineers and looking 115 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 7: to integrate them into their portfolios. In London, James Wilcock 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 7: the Bug Radio. 117 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 1: Now in a moment, we're going to bring you more 118 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: on today's Bank of England decision. I'd also tell you 119 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: about how hedge funds are now running in house training programs, 120 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: so try to create the money making stars of tomorrow. 121 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: I love this story. We're going to get to that 122 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: in a minute. But also this quartar ride. The price 123 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: of chocolates. 124 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 2: Now, we knew that the price of Coco has been 125 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: going up on the markets, but a warning this time 126 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: from a managing director at Nesley in the UK and 127 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: Ireland talking to our colleague Mum big Gettai about this 128 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: and says the consumers have youet to see the impact 129 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: of the explosion and Coco prices, and that companies like 130 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: his will inevitably have to start passing on higher costs. 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: He thinks that's going to impact demand for their products 132 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,239 Speaker 2: as well. Coco Future, who is survee to a record 133 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 2: of more than eleven thousand dollars a ton in New 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 2: York in recent months. This is partly linked to poor 135 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: harvest and West Africa, which have curved output as well, 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: but companies like Nesle have been able to hedge on 137 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: those prices, which means that it's limited the impact to 138 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: what you and I are paying. We buy bars of 139 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: chocolates infrequently, of course. Caroline in the shops and Bloomberg 140 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: Intelligence says that it'll take could take another six to 141 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: twelve months before consumers actually start to see the impact. 142 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Listen, We've spoken to mumbe get our number 143 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: of times on this story, you know, as the prices 144 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: started to ramp up. She's so interesting. She visits farmers 145 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: on the ground as some reporting in each of the 146 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: different countries you know, where the big coco exporters are, 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: so she's very fascinating. 148 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 149 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: It just keeps reminding me. I've got to stock up 150 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: on my tasty tweets early. But yeah, the price rises 151 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: are going to hit consumers. 152 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: That deluscating stockpiling to be clear, but certainly an interesting 153 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: indication coming from that story. And when you can read 154 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: on Bloomberg dot com and on the terminal, let's bring 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: you more though on today's Bank of England decision, perhaps 156 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: one meeting with the BUE is thankful the decision has 157 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: been made for them. Prime Minister Riccnax moved three weeks 158 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: ago to coln election as all but ruled out a 159 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 2: rate cut on Policymakers announced the decision at twelve pm 160 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: London time. Today are UK correspondent Lizzie Burden is outside 161 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: the Bank of England. Morning to you, Lizzie, Is there 162 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: anything that markets should be watching out for today. 163 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 8: Well, Stee, we already saw a tick up in guilt 164 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 8: yields and in the pound yesterday off the back of 165 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 8: the inflation data. So yes, it returned to the Bank 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 8: of England's target at the headline level, but at the 167 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 8: services level actually it was unexpectedly hot, and that, in 168 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 8: addition to the election kind of lets the Bank of 169 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 8: England off cutting rates today. But as you say, ever 170 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 8: since we've heard about this staff election, there have been 171 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 8: no speeches from any of the members of the Monetary 172 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 8: Policy Committee, so it would be a surprise if the 173 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 8: vote split changes from the last meeting. It was seven 174 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 8: to the last time, seven to hold to to cut. 175 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 8: Be a surprise if that changes. It would suggest that 176 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 8: this meeting in August would be a live one. Now 177 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 8: we're not getting a press conference, we're not getting updated forecasts. 178 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 8: The guidance as well is expected to say the same 179 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 8: because you remember they've already dropped the bias to tightening. 180 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 8: Now the expectation is that at some stage, whether or 181 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 8: not it's August, because the bets have been paired off 182 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 8: the inflation data yesterday, that is coming. The question is. 183 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: When, Yeah, absolutely, and you're outside the Bank of England 184 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: all day reporting on what's happening, So very good to 185 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: think about that. Having said that, the election is becoming 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: somewhat of a full gone conclusion, at least according to 187 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: the polling, we've had yet another raft of polls talking 188 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: about the expectations of a Conservative wipeout. 189 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 8: Yes, three polls suggesting that the Conservatives are on course 190 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 8: for annihilation by the Labor Party. One pole Caroline even 191 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 8: suggest that the Prime Minister is going to lose his seat. 192 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 8: So you gov expected this to be the biggest defeat 193 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 8: in Conservative Party history. And this is a party that 194 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 8: remembers style itself as the natural party of government, and 195 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 8: because of polls like this, actually you're seeing them leading 196 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 8: the narrative rather than the other way round. And so 197 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 8: for example, the Defense Minister Grant Shapps switching from talking 198 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 8: about winning the election to limiting the defeat. So it's 199 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 8: desperate times for the Conservatives at this point, and they're 200 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 8: only two weeks to turn the situation around. 201 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Leslie Burden outside the Bank of England covering both 202 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 2: the economics and the politics for us this morning. Thank you. 203 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: Now, some of the biggest names in hedge funds, including 204 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: Steve Cohen's Point seventy two and Ken Griffin Citadel, are 205 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: trying to create the next generation of talent through in 206 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: house training. It aims the term promising young analysts into 207 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: portfolio managers with the ability to rake in huge amounts 208 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: of cash. It is a new approach though for the industry, 209 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: born out of a recruitment crisis, and our senior hedge 210 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: fund reporter Nishan Kumar joins us now for more. We've 211 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: been tracking these developments. Why are the hedge funds starting 212 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: this sort of training now? 213 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 9: Good morning, Good morning. It's simply a supply and demand 214 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 9: issue like in any other booming industry. You know, hedge 215 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 9: funds are all about people, you know, that's their edge. 216 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 9: The traditional training ground for forgetting these kind of people 217 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 9: used to be the proprietary trading desks at banks. That 218 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 9: has been decimated since the financial crisis because of the 219 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 9: regulations imposed on banks. At the same time, if you 220 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 9: look at the hedge fund industry, they have added three 221 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 9: trillion dollars since two thousand and eight. That's an incredible 222 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 9: amount of to manage. So they need more and more 223 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 9: people to manage that kind of money. So essentially that 224 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 9: has sparked a war for talent. The highest bidder in 225 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 9: the industry is getting the best talent, and still they 226 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 9: can't get enough of them. And therefore, you know, they 227 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 9: have to find some other way to keep getting these 228 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 9: kind of talents so that their business continues in a 229 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 9: way just by paying a star trader more and more money. 230 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 9: This model is unsustainable already. Some hedge funds are paying 231 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 9: sixty cents of every dollar they make. They are taking 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 9: that as fees to help pay for these kind of traders. 233 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 9: And therefore it's not a choice. You have to kind 234 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 9: of do it. 235 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: How are these training schemes works? What happens for people 236 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: that get selected to go on them. 237 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 9: It's kind of a classroom teaching slash mentoring, learning from 238 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 9: the people who have done it over many decades. So 239 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 9: it's really you know, a combination of a variety of 240 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 9: programs and teaching and you are given some part of 241 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 9: money to manage. You learn from the best in the industry. 242 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 9: So I mean, nobody will tell you the secret sauce. 243 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 9: Everyone has their customized way to groom these talent to 244 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 9: the needs that they want. It's almost like, you know, 245 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 9: creating a new chef. If you go to a restaurant, 246 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 9: like everyone has their own kind of dishes, and they're 247 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 9: trying to mold these young minds into the kind of 248 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 9: traders that they want. 249 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: Is it actually working then, what's the evidence that it 250 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: pays off. 251 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 9: It's still early days, but signs are that it's working 252 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 9: in some of the cases. So we have cited three 253 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 9: big hedge funds in the story. If you look at 254 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 9: Citadel Traders, there are you know, getting a head quicker. 255 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 9: We have cited Phil Lee, who was elevated from an 256 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 9: analyst to the head of one of their largest stocks 257 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 9: trading unit in less than a decade. If you look 258 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 9: at Steve Cohen's point seventy two, more than half of 259 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 9: his stock pickers have come from these programs. At Ballyasni 260 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 9: for example. You know, these training programs have created fourteen 261 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 9: portfolio managers and they are some of their best performing. 262 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 9: So we can't say for sure that it's working, but 263 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 9: initial signs are very positive. It's just another and perhaps 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 9: perhaps a better way, you know, to get talent. 265 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: What is it all success stories? Are there those that 266 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: don't make it through these programs? What's it like for 267 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: the trainees. 268 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 9: Well, even to get into this training program is nothing 269 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 9: short of him possible. So the success rate is just 270 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 9: point five percent of the applications that hedge ones receive. Wow, 271 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 9: that's significantly lower than getting into MIIT or Harvard. So 272 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 9: the success rate a MIIT is like four percent and 273 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 9: same almost same for Harvard. So you need to be 274 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 9: really incredibly talented and lati and all. You know, all 275 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 9: the stars should be aligned for you to get into 276 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 9: this point five percent. 277 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Well, don't say to us that we don't give you 278 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: inspiration or a part of leaf over in the morning, Nisha, 279 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us a really 280 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: interesting story about the industry. 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