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Speaker 1: Welcome to Know your Foe Oncolts dot Com and in

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Speaker 1: depth book at the upcoming matchup. Here are your hosts,

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Speaker 1: Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks. Welcome

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Speaker 1: in and know your foe on Colts dot Com. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Casey Valier, and I'm joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Culturing of Honor member Bill Brooks. Week two is

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Speaker 1: here and the opponent is another AFC Divisional road game

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Speaker 1: as the Culture on the road in Jacksonville taking on

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars. And to get us up to date on

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Speaker 1: the Jags is Mike Dorocco, who covers the Jacks for ESPN. Mike,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time to talk

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Speaker 1: with us. How are we I'm doing well? How about you? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Can't complain here, I mean we're we're we're all a

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Speaker 1: little little flustered on how we how we take from

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Speaker 1: the week one tie. So we're trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: the words to use and all that. But another game

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Speaker 1: comes this Sunday. Yeah, this is an interesting division looking

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Speaker 1: at it. After the first thing, I say, the least

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Speaker 1: one twice and oh and one twice, so uh, maybe

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Speaker 1: someone can take command with a win on Sunday. That's

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Speaker 1: what we're thinking around here, hopefully, you know, for for

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Speaker 1: this side, hopefully we take command. I'm sure you're feeling

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Speaker 1: the same way on your end. Now. One of the

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Speaker 1: things I want to dive into is the current makeup

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Speaker 1: of this roster. We know, last year for Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: maybe not in grand scheme of things, but a bit

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Speaker 1: of a wash kind of in my ways. Um, Now

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Speaker 1: you look at the team now you've got Doug Peterson

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Speaker 1: kind of a guy who's a quarterback whisper in a way.

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Speaker 1: How have you seen the growth from you know, year

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Speaker 1: one to year two. I know it's very early, but

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Speaker 1: in Trevor Lawrence this year, well, he's more comfortable, um

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Speaker 1: and confident in the offense, which is pretty It was

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Speaker 1: pretty evident to see that when he first got on

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Speaker 1: that's a huge cause, you know, and he's got better playmakers,

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Speaker 1: So obviously that makes you a little bit more confident

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Speaker 1: to do do when you need them to be there, which

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Speaker 1: he's still got some issues. He's got to work through

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Speaker 1: the consistency, the willingness to to take a sack instead

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Speaker 1: a turnover at risk, you know, missing some easy throws

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Speaker 1: that he needs to make. But overall, you can see

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Speaker 1: a difference in him. He looks a lot more like

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Speaker 1: Colts last year. That was the best he played all year,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that's kind of where he

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Speaker 1: a little bit more consistent now, Mike, I want to

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Speaker 1: stay with you talking about young players. Last year, James

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Speaker 1: have had one game This new Doug Peterson offense how

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Speaker 1: this offense this season. Well, it's interesting to be they

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Speaker 1: still haven't played a game together kind of technically because

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Speaker 1: is going to be Blair Kirkoff, who covers the Chiefs

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