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Speaker 1: For your off day viewing pleasures. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory,

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Speaker 1: Katie and Bernie here to break down the Tiger series, which, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I know the Cardinals lost that series, but I did

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Speaker 1: not think that was a bad series by any means.

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Speaker 1: And who would have thought coming into mid May that

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Speaker 1: a series, an interleague series in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: week between the Tigers and the Cardinals would be intriguing baseball.

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Speaker 1: That's not something I would have identified in March, but

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Speaker 1: it was. I thought this series against the Tigers was

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Speaker 1: a true test for the Cardinals. Yes, they dropped the

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Speaker 1: series and lost the rubber match five to one, pretty

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Speaker 1: uninspiring performance, but we can get to that all in

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Speaker 1: although Bernie, I thought it was a series in which

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals held their own and I'm not all that

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Speaker 1: disappointed that they didn't win it.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, and I'm going to make fun of myself.

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Speaker 2: I told you this before we started record. I did

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Speaker 2: a really crappy video yesterday. I did, I did. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I admit it. You know, I had a bad day

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Speaker 2: in the batter's box or whatever you know. On sports

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Speaker 2: on STL dot com, where you can find all my stuff.

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Speaker 2: I decided, well, I'm gonna wait until after the game

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Speaker 2: do the video. But what happened was like it was

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Speaker 2: yesterday was a really tired day. I just was running

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Speaker 2: out of guess, so I did it. I was like

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Speaker 2: irritated by the way they played. I was just irritated.

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Speaker 2: So the fan in me like overreacted to it kind

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Speaker 2: of and I was all like nasty, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I thought about it this morning. I said, dude, it's

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Speaker 2: not a big deal. It's not a big deal. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, and one of the one of the things,

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Speaker 2: and this is the relevant part because who cares what

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Speaker 2: I think? But you know, I said, wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: Didn't the Dodgers just get swept by the Angels at home? Yes?

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Speaker 2: They did. Didn't the Dodgers recently get whacked eleven to

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Speaker 2: one by the West Sacramento as Yeah they did. And

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Speaker 2: here I am here, I am like just getting all,

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Speaker 2: you know, getting all salty about it was a really

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Speaker 2: bad performance. So what it's not like they lost to

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Speaker 2: lost lost to the Rockies or something. The Tigers are

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Speaker 2: damn good and they have a great manager. So anyway, too.

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of the people watch my videos

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Speaker 2: watch this, so me a call for everyone. You know,

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Speaker 2: I wish I could do that one over. I might

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Speaker 2: even delete the thing because I was like, a, well.

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Speaker 1: This could be a redemption show. This is calm down.

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Speaker 2: Let's be rational like the grouchy old man for no reason. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, I'm sorry, Let's.

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Speaker 1: Talk about this with a clearhead. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So coming in Tiger's best record in baseball. I mean

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Speaker 1: they are. They are a really deep, well run club,

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Speaker 1: a J. Hinch masterclass manager. And I identified this at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the month when the Cardinals started trending

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Speaker 1: in a better direction. As a series that would tell

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Speaker 1: us a lot about the club. Uh yeah. They lost.

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Speaker 1: It was their first series loss. Put this in perspective

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Speaker 1: since April twenty first through twenty third at Atlanta. They

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Speaker 1: gone six oh and one in series, and it was

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Speaker 1: their first lost home series since April second against the Angels.

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Speaker 1: So they were due. They were due to drop a series.

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Speaker 1: And while you know you want to win every series,

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Speaker 1: that's just logically not going to happen. I liked the

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Speaker 1: style of play in this series. You go out there

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Speaker 1: and you thump a team in the in game one,

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Speaker 1: you have sunny grade doing sunny great things. I thought

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Speaker 1: that was a big bounce backstart for him to go

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Speaker 1: six score less, ten strikeouts look like an ace out there,

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Speaker 1: especially after one of his worst performances of his career

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Speaker 1: in Philly. Then you have the offense coming to life,

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Speaker 1: manufacturing runs early on, beginning in the seventh after the

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Speaker 1: rain delay, and it was just kind of a good win.

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Speaker 1: I really liked game two, which I was not at.

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Speaker 1: That was an off day for me, but I watched

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Speaker 1: on TV uh and to hang four on Schooble the

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Speaker 1: raining American League, Cy young pitcher who's off to another

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Speaker 1: great start this year, and it just really you know,

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Speaker 1: you lost that game, but you're really excited about how

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Speaker 1: you performed there. Wednesday's game, the day game, yeah, a dud.

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Speaker 1: It was uninspiring. It was not good. It was also

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Speaker 1: their the home series after the Mets, in which they

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Speaker 1: lost by more than one run. So their last three

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Speaker 1: they got that. That was a bullpen games that they're

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Speaker 1: hard to plan for. You either crush them or you don't. Overall,

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Speaker 1: given how that loss took place on a twelve to

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Speaker 1: that was probably the time for a clunker of a game.

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Speaker 1: So all in all, I'm still very encouraged about this

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Speaker 2: You know, earlier this season, would I could file a

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Speaker 2: complaint and I could say, well, you know, but the

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Speaker 2: point is, they don't they never beat these good teams,

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Speaker 2: or they they're terrible against these good teams. They were

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Speaker 2: a little shaky early, we know that. But they've been

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Speaker 2: beating good teams and you know, they won the season.

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Speaker 2: They won two series from the Phillies, they split their

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Speaker 2: two series with the Mets, they went to Kansas City

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Speaker 2: in one to two out of three, and I know

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Speaker 2: there's a there's a couple other ones in there somewhere,

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Speaker 2: but they've been actually playing really well against teams with

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Speaker 2: a winning record. So yeah, this was nothing.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was. It's one of those games where, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: I think they should have won the series because it

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Speaker 2: was there for them, But my gosh, uh, maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: this is actually a compliment to the Cardinals because I

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Speaker 2: actually view them as a really good team.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm getting at. That's why I wanted you

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Speaker 1: to stick to your original reaction, because now we're disappointed

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Speaker 1: when they don't beat a team like the Tigers and

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Speaker 1: they you know, they're not matching up. They've changed our expectations,

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Speaker 1: and that's a good thing, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, there's no doubt about it. I I do

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Speaker 2: hold them to a higher standard now, and I think

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Speaker 2: not going to get into the numbers, you know, but

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Speaker 2: if you look at like all areas of their team,

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Speaker 2: especially since they settled the bullpen down, every area of

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Speaker 2: their team is really good. I mean, the defense is

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Speaker 2: by far the best of the majors. It's ridiculous how

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Speaker 2: Remember how how they got beat up in Boston. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: The bullpen was a disaster. But then on April twenty fifth.

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Speaker 2: That change the offense has been has been inconsistent. I

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Speaker 2: mean it's like I just wrote something where I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you know, the offense as a whole has been good,

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Speaker 2: but it's like, like, what's up with Like you guys,

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Speaker 2: one day, you know you're scoring like twenty runs or whatever,

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Speaker 2: And I don't even know if that's a complaint more

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Speaker 2: they got to get some guys going again, right, there's

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Speaker 2: some guys go kind of pointing down right now. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I have higher expectations because the Cardinals have earned those

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Speaker 2: higher expectations instead of ridicule.

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Speaker 1: Instead of ridicule, you know, I agree, And yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: Victor Scott the seconds tapered off a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: and I don't really think it's an inconsistent offense. I

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Speaker 1: days you're going to have it, some days you don't.

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Speaker 1: They have depth, and this is something that I did

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Speaker 1: not see. Their depth in their lineup and their ability

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Speaker 1: We heard Philly's manager Rob Thompson sayd aj Hinch saying

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Speaker 1: in how they utilize their bench. So yeah, we're not

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Speaker 1: seeing a lot of Nolan Gorman every day. We're seeing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it, and I think that they

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Speaker 2: You know, this is something that I struggled to define.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this late last night, and I

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Speaker 2: want your perspective on this because I think it's a

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Speaker 2: really good question. And you're around the club all the time.

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Speaker 2: You can take the temperature, the pulse and all that

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Speaker 2: gotten to the point because this is about expectations in

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Speaker 2: a way, but there's an offshoot to that. Has it

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Speaker 2: gotten to the point where you think this team, this

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Speaker 2: but guys that are having obviously a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: playing baseball. Do you think this team has quote learned

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Speaker 2: how to win, because in the past, a recent past,

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Speaker 2: I never felt like when something went bad that kind

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Speaker 2: of knew how to get themselves out of it. Now

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Speaker 2: they did. In twenty twenty four, they had that one

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Speaker 2: great run, but then when it started to go down again,

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Speaker 2: they had no real response. Maybe that's a talent thing.

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Speaker 2: But when I look at the Cardinals, and this actually

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Speaker 2: was reflected in that Tuesday loss when schoobl Is like,

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Speaker 2: for the first four innings one guy got on base,

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Speaker 2: it's won over the minimum thirteen batters. They couldn't touch them,

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Speaker 2: he says. They're working at best, but they couldn't touch them.

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Speaker 2: And then they make some adjustments. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: it's because, as you wrote about and we all were

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Speaker 2: talking about, they really wore him down. And that's what

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Speaker 2: aj Hinch said. He said, the boy, they battled him.

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Speaker 2: You know, they weren't used to seeing a team battle.

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Speaker 2: So even though they didn't win that game, that was

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Speaker 2: the kind of game that I looked at and I said,

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Speaker 1: So the question was have the Cardinals learned how to win?

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if they're necessarily learning how to win.

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Speaker 1: And that's what this group is learning, these young guys,

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Speaker 2: That's a good breakdown, excellent analysis, and it makes it

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way. It's just something that happens organically,

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Speaker 2: And so that's one thing about an underdog that exceeds

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Speaker 1: It is so fun covering winning baseball. A quick tangent

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Speaker 1: Fire me up. We know how things went from there.

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Speaker 2: you know, And this team has had some real drama

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Speaker 1: have they made a decision about centerfield yet? Do I?

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Speaker 1: Are they taking both? Are they taking one? Who is it?

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Speaker 1: And they told him that morning that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Miles, michaelis that's a good one. I know, Cardon's listen, man,

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Speaker 2: I've been really tough on Miles. I thought, come on,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have it anymore. Right. The fact that he's

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Speaker 2: been so outstanding is is fun. It's like it's a

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Speaker 2: it's I don't know, it's not like this big overarching drama,

438
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Speaker 2: but it is fun. It's a delightful thing to watch.

439
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Speaker 2: And he like, he looks like he's in bolded by this.

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Speaker 2: He's very confident. Steven Matts, you know, the guy that

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Speaker 2: can't stay healthy. The guy's like, oh, they have to

442
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Speaker 2: trade him, trade and trade him. You know, I was

443
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Speaker 2: looking on stat casts in terms of like pitching run value,

444
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Speaker 2: the two the two best pitchers at least in that metric.

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Speaker 2: Matt's is number two, and he can start. He's a

446
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Speaker 2: great reliever. I mean, it's a great story, and he's

447
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Speaker 2: a really.

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Speaker 1: Rotation of flow in terms of health and availability, He's

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Speaker 1: been excellent.

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Speaker 2: He's a really good dude too, he is, and I

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Speaker 2: really enjoyed your interview with him. Kyle lay to me,

452
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Speaker 2: is kind of an under under under aid drama. I mean,

453
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Speaker 2: seventeenth round draft choice, minor league era was in the

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Speaker 2: fives or six, his first, you know, first trip in

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Speaker 2: the majors. He got beat up. I mean, where did

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Speaker 2: this come from? That's pretty dramatic too, And I know

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Speaker 2: I'm missing Supposo. Who the heck is?

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Speaker 1: This guy is gone?

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Speaker 2: Right? He shows up, you know, he's hit three forty

460
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Speaker 2: or something and he's still getting big hits. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I love this stuff, right.

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Speaker 1: It's just fun. It's a different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different.

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Speaker 1: Brandon baseball than I think most of us were expecting.

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Speaker 1: And again, if it's sustainable or not, who's to say.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the real intrigue of the season lies.

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Speaker 1: Can they keep us up? And yeah, will they how

468
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Speaker 1: will they do so? Is it even possible?

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Speaker 2: But before, and by the way, Libby, Matthew Libator, he's

470
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Speaker 2: a top ten starter right now if you go by

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Speaker 2: any any number of stats, he's legitimately really, really good.

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Speaker 2: He's got a better fielding in independent y ra than

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Speaker 2: Max Free, than Paul Skeen's. For God's sake, you know

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Speaker 2: you can.

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Speaker 1: Make the argument he's their best picture right now. And

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Speaker 1: I agree, right.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't mean to cut you off, but I

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Speaker 2: did want to slight Libby. Libby's high on the list

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Speaker 2: of dramatic events or dramatic changes anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead, No, we're.

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Speaker 1: Fine, I think when you're looking at like the transition year.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before. Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman

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Speaker 1: are the designated faces of this movement, if you will.

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Speaker 1: But and no, it hasn't gone well for them in

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Speaker 1: a grand scheme of things, but for so many other

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Speaker 1: players in that same kind of bubble, they've really taken

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Speaker 1: this opportunity and excelled, and it's propelled the Cardinals perhaps

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Speaker 1: ahead of their own timeline. But one player we need

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Speaker 1: to talk about who is not a part of this

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Speaker 1: youth movement we're going to get to after we hear

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Speaker 1: Okay, Bernie, I have one question for you, and there's

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Speaker 1: any right answers, so no pressure. Is Brendan Donovan an

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Speaker 1: All Star this year?

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Speaker 2: I think he's playing as someone who deserves to be

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Speaker 2: an All Star this year. He's a plus defender. You

507
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Speaker 2: can move him around. That's number one, two batting average,

508
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Speaker 2: on base percentage, big hits, relentless. He sort of personifies

509
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Speaker 2: the ideal of what you want the Cardinals to be

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Speaker 2: and sets an example for everybody. A guy that I

511
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Speaker 2: think it's safe to say gets the most out of

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Speaker 2: his talent, and he's just putting up really, really good numbers.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's got according to it, like Fangred, he's

514
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Speaker 2: got one point seven war right now that leads the team,

515
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Speaker 2: and that's only going to continue to grow, because this

516
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Speaker 2: isn't a guy that's going to go through like three

517
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Speaker 2: weeks and not hit. He's just so I think he's

518
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Speaker 2: having an outstanding season. Now, will he get overlooked by

519
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Speaker 2: through the selection process, maybe probably, But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 2: he's undeserving. He's headed towards being a no doubter type

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Speaker 2: of guy based on his performance.

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Speaker 1: Well not if the sameless media can start spinning this narrative. Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Brendan Donovan would start in an All

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Speaker 1: Star game, but I absolutely think he is worthy of

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Speaker 1: being an All Star in twenty twenty five when you

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Speaker 1: think about what he's doing from a game standpoint, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's his three twenty three average, that's the third highest

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Speaker 1: in the National League. The only two hitters above him

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Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman, Will Smith. So yeah, that's some pretty good

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Speaker 1: company he gets on base, he's been a true threat

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Speaker 1: and the number three spot in the order, which is

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Speaker 1: a hard place to be. He plays all over the infield,

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Speaker 1: in the outfield too. He really is becoming a plus

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Speaker 1: second baseman. They can't play him there every day, of course,

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Speaker 1: because they need to rotate guys around, but you're confident

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Speaker 1: of him even in left field, which is not his

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Speaker 1: strongest position. He does, I hate to say this, heizes

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Speaker 1: the cardinal way. He's gritty, he plays every day. He's

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Speaker 1: going to be overlooked from a national standpoint because a

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Speaker 1: lot of things about his game don't necessarily jump off

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Speaker 1: the page, right. He's not going to overpower you with

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Speaker 1: exit velow or hitting the ball out of the ballpark.

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Speaker 1: But he just plays a good, crisp, clean brand of baseball.

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Speaker 1: He reminds me a lot of those like twenty eleven

545
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Speaker 1: twenty twelve guys, you know, like why fans love John

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Speaker 1: Jay and Daniel descalso is because they've played the game

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Speaker 1: like Brendan Donovan did. But no disrespect to those guys,

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Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan's playing a little bit better. And I just

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Speaker 1: think from a national standpoint, no, he's not going to

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Speaker 1: have the name recognition, as you know, take your pick

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Speaker 1: over the second basement in the national League. But he

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Speaker 1: should be an All Star this year because he has

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Speaker 1: been invaluable to the Saint Louis Cardinals and he was

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Speaker 1: put in a place coming into the season where he

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Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily in that bubble of the youth movement. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, but he is still someone the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals wanted to build around. So he kind of came

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Speaker 1: in there like without an identity as and I'm not

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Speaker 1: part of this youth movement that they're going to focus on,

560
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Speaker 1: but I'm also not yet a veteran. I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: stuck in the middle, and he's thrived there. He's become,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, someone you build around because you need

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Speaker 1: a player like Brennan Donovan to be a successful club,

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Speaker 1: and I think he's proving that and I think he

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Speaker 1: should be an All Star. I think he should be

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta come July.

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Speaker 2: And that was another great decision made by Oli Marvel

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Speaker 2: to bat him third. I mean, I wasn't that's try,

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Speaker 2: that's right. I didn't. I wasn't like, oh, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a great move. I was kind of like, I wait

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Speaker 2: and see. But it's interesting that was my reaction. You know,

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Speaker 2: I did a look at that, you know, a week

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Speaker 2: ago or so, and not to get into that, but

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Speaker 2: he fits in really well among all major league number

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Speaker 2: three hitters. I mean he's even slugging four fifty five.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all there. And I'm not saying he's

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Speaker 2: the best number three hitter in baseball, but I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's He's on the list, like he's

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Speaker 2: in the top ten or so. And that's quite a

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Speaker 2: compliment to him because the number three hitter is going

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Speaker 2: to have to blend his skills and you want him

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Speaker 2: to be average on base slugging, you want that combination.

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Speaker 2: And he's really really good. So no, I I think

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Speaker 2: very highly of him. In fact, I have since he

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Speaker 2: made his major league debut. You can just tell right

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Speaker 2: away as a player, and I think he got caught

587
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Speaker 2: in between for a while, do I go for power

588
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Speaker 2: or do I go to draw walks. I think he

589
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Speaker 2: was a little bit in the middle league, but he's

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Speaker 2: kind of found it now. There's like he knows what

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Speaker 2: he is. The dude. There are certain guys you look

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Speaker 2: at and you just say simply, and this is coming

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Speaker 2: from a stat boy, and I don't really need to

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Speaker 2: throw stats around there are certain guys you look at

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Speaker 2: them and you just say that, dude's a ballplayer, and

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Speaker 2: that's Brendan Donald And that's a really that's a really

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Speaker 2: high compliment.

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Speaker 1: You're a spot on. If you are a Saint Louis

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Speaker 1: Cardinal and someone dubs you a ballplayer, you're having a

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Speaker 1: heck of a season. And I think that's the perfect

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Speaker 1: way to pedomize Brendan Donovan. He's a ballplayer. He's earned

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Speaker 1: the respect throughout the clubhouse because he just refuses to

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Speaker 1: take a day off. He'll play any position they need

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Speaker 1: him to. I mean, heck, he's even the team's emergency catcher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know they have like seven on the

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Speaker 1: roster at this point, but he's there. He's willing to

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Speaker 1: do it. I just feel like we're seeing Brennan Donovan

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Speaker 1: come into his own and really start to hit that

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Speaker 1: maturation point as a player. I mean, he has sixty

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Speaker 1: one hits. That's the most in the National League. No,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have a ton of thump that you'd probably

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Speaker 1: want to see in your number three spot, But when

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Speaker 1: you have Wilson Contreras Yvon Herrera behind you, you can

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Speaker 1: get away with that. I just I really really like

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Speaker 1: what we see on a Brennan Donovan this year. I

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Speaker 1: think he kind of goes under the radar from a

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Speaker 1: national perspective, and he goes under the radar in a

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Speaker 1: transition year because the focus is on the youth. But

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Speaker 1: Cardinals fans have a true cardinal and the way he

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Speaker 1: plays the game to rally behind hopefully for years to come.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's really fun to see that develop

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 2: You know, and you mentioned something and the thing about him

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Speaker 2: and where does that four fifty five selegging percentage come from.

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Speaker 2: He's tied for the National league league in doubles. We

626
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Speaker 2: know he gets a lot of singles. We know he

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Speaker 2: only has I'm looking at it now because I had

628
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Speaker 2: to look at it. He only only has three home runs.

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Speaker 2: But the guy hits doubles all the time. And he

630
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Speaker 2: also hits to the opposite field. He hits the off fields.

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Speaker 2: He's a really hard guy to defend. He basically whatever

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Speaker 2: the defensive positioning the other team uses to say, well

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Speaker 2: this is where he likes to hit. Now now he'll

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Speaker 2: he'll beat you because he'll hit anywhere where he sees

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Speaker 2: an opening. He's got great bat control. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: just so much to like about him. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals fans like love throwback type players. I think

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Speaker 2: all baseball fans do. Yeah, and he's a throwback type

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Speaker 2: of player. He could have He could have fit in

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Speaker 2: with the Cardinals of the sixties, you know. I mean,

641
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Speaker 2: that's not no high parable he could have, you know,

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Speaker 2: because he's just he does everything well, and he's hard nosed,

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Speaker 2: he's smart. You know, he's incredibly competitive. You know, he

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Speaker 2: checks all the boxes. Like there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: empty calorie major league hitters empty calorie. You know, you

646
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Speaker 2: don't know if there's any real substance. Okay, this guy

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Speaker 2: might hit a lot of home runs, but what about

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Speaker 2: the rest of his game. There's a lot of empty calory.

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Speaker 2: He's not There's nothing empty calllery about Brandon Donna. It's

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Speaker 2: like everything counts that he does.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. I will only

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Speaker 1: be referring to hitters as empty calorie from now on.

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 2: It will be empty cot Well, I will get into

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Speaker 2: that empty and you can say, I don't need to

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Speaker 2: get nasty. Okay, I did that yesterday ridiculously so so anyway, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's some thought though. Anyway, maybe maybe down the road.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we'll fix it. We'll work on it. We

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Speaker 1: can't be perfect, Bernie, as much as we fry. Heading

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Speaker 1: into the weekend, another three game home series against Diamondbacks

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Speaker 1: should be a very good pitching mash up your probables.

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Speaker 1: Miles Michaelis vers Zach Gallon on Friday, Libby Matthew Libertore

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Speaker 1: versus Meryl Kelly on Saturday. Sunny Gray takes on Brandon

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Speaker 1: fat on Sunday. So yeah, well pitched should be very compelling.

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Speaker 1: The Diamondbacks have a lot of a lot of different

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Speaker 1: athleticism on their roster. They play in a brutal division

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Speaker 1: in the NL West. Everyone except Colorado is good. There

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00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: what a sad, sad sentence for Rockies fans. But I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited to see again another test for this Cardinals club.

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Speaker 1: Let's see they can keep it rolling and bounce back

671
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Speaker 1: after this Tiger series. We should be able to learn

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Speaker 1: something from this one, Dave rest.

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Speaker 2: They should be see they should be filled filled up

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Speaker 2: with pep when they come in to work tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how many are at Albert Pooles's top

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Speaker 1: golf charity event tonight that's usually a.

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Speaker 2: Big one or maybe not. Okay, fine, I'm sure, No,

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Speaker 2: that's that's exciting.

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So every everything's good with the Cardinals. I think

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Speaker 2: Ali's doing a great job. I love the fact that

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Speaker 2: he had a the fact that the day after the

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Speaker 2: game he sat down with you all and like honestly

684
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Speaker 2: wanted you to say what you thought about his decisions. See.

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Speaker 2: Some people would hear that and say, well, that's that's

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Speaker 2: kind of an insecure guy to do that. No, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see that. I've gotten to know him. He's

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Speaker 2: not like that. He just he actually likes to know

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Speaker 2: what the opinions are out there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and and he so.

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Speaker 2: He actually it's it's helpful for him to know people

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Speaker 2: see certain things because he usually has not a pushback

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Speaker 2: because he's not nasty about it, but he's usually got

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Speaker 2: a acounter move or a counter opinion that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: And LaRussa was like that too, you know, just things

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00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: would blow up on Tony, but I would talk to

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Speaker 2: him and he would go very in depth about stuff

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Speaker 2: that he did that didn't work. And he wasn't trying

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Speaker 2: to cover his butt as he likes to say I would.

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Speaker 2: He would just say, listen, man, I don't care what

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Speaker 2: manager it is. Sometimes you make you make the absolute

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Speaker 2: right decision based on the information, yet and sometimes it

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Speaker 2: just doesn't work. It doesn't mean it was the wrong decision.

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Speaker 2: And that's so true. And I think that applies to

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Speaker 2: what you were talking about with some of his stuff

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Speaker 2: Tuesday and that loss to the Tigers. But I didn't

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Speaker 2: mean to like drag this out, but that was pretty

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Speaker 2: cool that he did that. Oli's a different guy this

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Speaker 2: season too. I think he finally senses on cam Wex

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Speaker 2: the other day. The Gashouse Gang Tuesday, people were just

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Speaker 2: lighting it up, Ollie, you're doing great. We love you,

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Speaker 2: and I even said it at one point, I said,

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Speaker 2: what is this, Ahley? They like you all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: Can you start with I don't he started. He started

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Speaker 2: laughing about it. But then of course he'd lost too

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Speaker 2: in a row, soa now he's back to reality now.

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Speaker 1: Before I think it was Monday's game and he had

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Speaker 1: these two new They're so fresh, these new dunks, and

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Speaker 1: they're really nice. I mean, I couldn't help it. I said, Wow,

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Speaker 1: things change a lot when you win. You did not

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Speaker 1: like that but you know what, that's what I like

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Speaker 1: about him is that we can have that banter back

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Speaker 1: and forth. And I think if you haven't checked this

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Speaker 1: out already Cardinals fans, his Tuesday interviews at noon on

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00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: Cameo X with Bernie and the Gashouse Gang thirty minutes unplugged,

726
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: really good stuff. Allows you to see a better insight

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Speaker 1: more than what you can get from two minutes off

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Speaker 1: the post game show. It's just really really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So check that out. Bernie and I were back with

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Speaker 1: you after the series. We'll do another series breakdown for you.

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Speaker 1: You guys seem to really like those, so thank you

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Speaker 1: for the feedback. And then the Cardinals are on the

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Speaker 1: road again, six games Baltimore, Texas and interleague action. But

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Speaker 1: let's get to the Diamondbacks first. For Bernie, I'm Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always for watching Cardinal Territory. Have a good

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Speaker 1: one