1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Uh, we're waiting on reparations. Uh uh dis the history book. 2 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: So let me tell you the tailor featt Labina Communist 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: part of the deprection era, TIY getting scared off for 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: the sheriffs and share cropping for bear from the black folks. 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: Parado with the fair forms. You came and said, I folks, 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: they try to turn your lights off or to not you. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: Right the book we run up on the move rightful 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: to live, susicidal, but the black folks was kind of weird. 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: They couldn't really read. But they consist of him too. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Then and then this alliance and red and black and 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: the white would later lay the frame before the fights 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: of Rosa Parks and Aye Davis. So when they say 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: that it's boxing gets the grave and punch of racist historically, 14 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: the kind of holds up. Actually, you're listening to waiting 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: on reparation, the production of Iheartard, good morning or afternoon 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: or pending on when you're listening to this. If you're 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: listening to this when it just came out, then happy St. 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: Patrick's Day, yeah, or if or if it's after that, Um, 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: take some baby profen, you'll drink some waters. Um calling 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: calling to work calling sick. I don't need you, It wouldn't. 21 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 1: I mean maybe if you're like a school crossing guard 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: for like an elementary school, maybe don't call out the 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: children needs you. But I mean otherwise who cares. Very fine. 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: I think everybody's definitely gonna take notice of the subdued 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: intro this morning, I know why the hell I'm tired? 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: What why are you? So? I am in Waco, Texas 27 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: this morning? Your drove to Waco. So yeah, see what 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: happened was see what had happened was, um, I'm gonna 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: go to the south by Southwest UM. And we had 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: a show in Birmingham and Saturday in Birmingham a couple 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: of days. Decided to talk to you all about some 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: of that, um you know which has inspired this week's episode. 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: So Young a Bremenham for a couple of days, which 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: worked my interest in doing this show. But um, you know, 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: our hope to drive about halfway and stop was shattered 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: when we got to the hotel that we had booked 37 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: um online and it was not only mad sketchy, it 38 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: was so sketchy that we rolled up to check in 39 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: and they were like, oh yeah, we don't accept the 40 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: electronic payment. I was like, what do you mean I 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: paid online for Then they were like, nah, it doesn't count, 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't count. So I'm pretty sure these I'm pretty 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: sure these cats just took my money and just you 44 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't give us a room. And so, man, there's just 45 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: so much to unpack about everywhere we've been so far. 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: But ultimately we like tried to find hotels like, you know, 47 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: an hour out, two hours out, and finally we're just like, yo, look, Paul, 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: grandma lives in Wago. We make it a way goo good. 49 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, it's just me as holm with 50 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, Grandma, etcetera. But um, so we ended up driving, 51 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: you know, we might to drive like six hours. I 52 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: ended up being Mark Elevan, So my voice may sound 53 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: a bit scrutchy, and I may seeund a bit tired 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 1: because that happened. But I mean, along the way, a 55 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: lot of really dopeness has transpired. So part of why 56 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: getting here took us along because we stopped for three 57 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: hours in jack Mississippi and had lunch with Jerry Mitchell. 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: Are you feeling with Jerry Mitchell's Jerry Mitchell is the 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: investigative reporter that solved the unsolved murders of Mega Everts 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: and of the case of the Birmingham church bombings and 61 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: a number of other like civil rights cold cases. Yeah, 62 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: and so like this was the dude that put a 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: bunch of klansmen in jail for like murdering civil rights heroes. 64 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a there was a movie about 65 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: the trial for like the killer of Betyar Everest called 66 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: The Ghost of Mississippi with Alec Baldwin and Woopy Goldberg 67 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: and James Would I believe, But I wonder, I can't remember. 68 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: I wonder who played that reporter that because I'm sure 69 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: he would have to have been a character that I 70 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: gotta look it up. And also he was super cool 71 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: and nice. I would love to have him on the 72 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: show to talk about his work. Um as well. In Birmingham, 73 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to hang out with Isaiah Thomas, 74 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: that one of the lee organizers of the Amazon unionization 75 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: effort twenty years old Ball of Lightning, Like I thought 76 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: you meant the Isaiah Thomas, I'm sorry, no, no, no, no, 77 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: no no. Was cool. So lots of interesting Birmingham history uncovered, 78 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: and of course in this trip that I would love 79 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: us to you know, touch on in like a multiply 80 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: MultiPark series on the city, because yeah, I think that's 81 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: an awesome idea of I mean, just from the stuff 82 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: that we got for today, it's it's definitely a rich 83 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: history that you can really dig into. Birmingham is a 84 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: wild place, has been, perhaps always will be. I've only 85 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: been I've only been to Birmingham once. I think it 86 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: was to do like a it's like secret Stages or something. 87 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait so we um we played the Syndicate 88 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Lounge for this hip hop series called The Bottom Mix. 89 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: Actually hung out with Brish. Yeah. So um, rich history, 90 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: rich music scene, that lots to cover. So today we're 91 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: going to dig on into some lesser known history um 92 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: of Birmingham. We'll see what we'll see what we get 93 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: there a month to return to the topic because there's 94 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: so much to say. But you're about to get out 95 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: on the road yourself. It was my understanding. Yeah, just 96 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: doing like a short little run. I'm doing some St. 97 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: Patty's show tomorrow and then I'm doing something else in 98 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: North Carolina the day after that. So it's just gonna 99 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: be you know, a traveling weekend and I'm also um 100 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: coming out with a new there's a new EP that 101 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: I was dropping with an Atlanta producer named Josiah Soren. 102 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: But it's like a low fi, jazzy sort of thing. 103 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, three songs. But we've we've 104 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: been cutting the video and it's like running down to 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: the wire. So it's like in between the podcast and 106 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the video then having to go out of town this 107 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: and then our city in Savannah. Savannah has last time 108 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: I checked, I think like the third or fourth biggest St. 109 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: Patrick's Day like celebration, I guess in the country here. Yeah, 110 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: it's weird, right, but like we're about to have an 111 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: influx of like two hundred thousand people. Yeah, so it's 112 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: it's about to be crazy here. Where to park, It's 113 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: it's it's everything's whack, and you know, it's just been 114 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: a hectic week. So we don't want to we don't 115 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: want a front. Our aesthetic is is you know, we 116 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: can real low five boom bad. This is going to 117 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: be very much in the spirit of those you know, 118 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: MF Doom transitions between anime cartoons at one AM, where 119 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of like hazy, laid back. Yeah, as we 120 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: get into some less of known history of the city 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: of Birmingham. Event all right, we'll be with that after 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: the jump. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. So 123 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: you have this adventure in Birmingham. Where do you want 124 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: to start as far as like the history or something 125 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: about it that not too many people know about. So, 126 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean I would characterize this as like quote unquote 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: all the way act. But and thinking about that, I 128 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: imagine there's even while their history even farther back than 129 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: you know here, the Great Depression era, um, if we 130 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: get into slave re abolition, indigenous folks, etcetera. But I 131 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: did want to start out talking about this era because 132 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: it is well documented in Robin D. G. Kelly's book 133 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: Hammer and Hoe, from which we take the title of 134 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: this episode. Um. So while we're talking about the Depression era, 135 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to also capture this as a part of 136 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: a larger tendency in the media to sort of just 137 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: like forget about the South, like we like, despite the 138 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: fact we have this very rich history of liberation struggle, 139 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: um against the oppressive forces that are perhaps you know, 140 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: more visible, particularly brutal. You still see like coastal liberals 141 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: like making fun of the South every time Republicans like 142 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: are awful. I think ab how like in Georgia, like UM, 143 00:08:55,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: voter suppression bills raised calls to boycott the states outside 144 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: of the the state, even though like nobody in the state 145 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: wanted that. Um. I think about people joking that like 146 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: in Texas, Kentucky, like all these survivors of like weather 147 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: disasters deserve their state's horrible relief responses because quote unquote 148 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: like they voted for their leaders despite the fact that 149 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: like majorities of people don't vote at all. So let's 150 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, not even talk about that. I guess here 151 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: then again, you know, I'm back in our own state 152 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: once and once more thinking about how many progressives, um 153 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: and leftists we had elected to various levels of government. Um. 154 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: When you hear about like successful left electoral projects, you 155 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: think about New York, or you hear about it in Nevada. 156 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: But they ain't gotta love, they ain't gonna love people 157 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: in the in the South fighting for their freedom. So 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: I think Germingham is a great example of history that 159 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: goes untold. Okay, So just because you you brought that 160 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: up in terms of like, you know, the like you said, 161 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: the liberal like thing of like, oh, let's boycott the 162 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: state or business businesses should pull out of the state 163 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: because of something they're doing. What's what is like another 164 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: UM effective I guess like political like repercussion or punishment 165 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: that you can do when some of these gerrymander Georgia 166 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: legislatures like do wild shit that's not really in tune 167 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: with the rest of the countrys something you can do 168 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: to affect the officials or to affect the government that 169 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: instilled that. Since you said, like a lot of the 170 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: population doesn't vote and there's people there who have that 171 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: will be affected by like boycotts and stuff, yeah, I 172 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: mean send resources to organizations that are organizing in the 173 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: state that are doing voter registration and voter education and 174 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,719 Speaker 1: a voter turnout efforts, etcetera. Because like, yeah, boycott's hurt 175 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: working people. I mean, if the working people call for 176 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: it and they're like down for that, then desk what's up? 177 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: In this case, A lot of folks that UM are 178 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: part of who have been drawn Georgia by like the 179 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: expanding film industry, are folks that vote Democrat, and those 180 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: are folks that are going to be harmed by a 181 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: boycott and I'd be like, well, you guys, I got 182 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: to move back to California because, like you know, the 183 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: movie sets shut down because no one wanted to do 184 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: business here anymore, actually further cementing Republican power in this state. 185 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 1: But like, yo, if you you know, take that, if 186 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to do a little boycott, fine, 187 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: um you know, like, oh, I'm not gonna buy Coca 188 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: Cola because they gave fifty grand to like the author 189 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: of the Senate bill making it illegal to hand out 190 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: water in voting lines or whatever. You know, all right, 191 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: take the twenty bucks and give it to like um 192 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: UM Asian American's Advancing Justice or UM put their Latino 193 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: X which they you know, get out the vote for, 194 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: you know, in Hispanic community or something. Because then actually 195 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: you're you're fighting the problem by helping people, the people 196 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: fighting the problem fight the problem. You know what I'm saying, 197 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: I feel I feel conflicted about it, because I mean, 198 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: on one hand, I definitely hear what you're saying, and 199 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with it, But then there's just 200 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: like another part of it where it's like, what can 201 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: you do to these big entities other than hurt their pockets? 202 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day, and it's 203 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: unfortunately the ship has trickled down because of the way 204 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: everything is tied up together. But like when we were 205 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: talking about the NFL a couple of weeks ago, you know, 206 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: that's the only about the easiest way to get that 207 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: to happen would be to boycott the NFL for them 208 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: to lose money because of it, And that would not 209 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: only affect the billionaires, but it would probably affect a 210 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: lot of low level people worse than it would affect 211 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: the billionaires. But that would be something tangible of like 212 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: over losing viewership or losing money. People are buying jerseys anymore. Okay, 213 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: they're upset because of what. All, right, let's change that. 214 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: But when you're doing that against actively against the wishes 215 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: of the people who are doing the work in the state, 216 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: like what, why why would you do that? Like literally, 217 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: I was getting arguments with people not in Georgia about 218 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: the boycott in Georgia and trying to be like no, 219 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: like I lived here, Like I know what I'm talking about, 220 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: Like no one is asked for this. I appreciate your intent, 221 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: and people even being condescending in that regard as well. 222 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Like well, you know, shut out whatever, like just being 223 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: so insistent that they want to do things the way 224 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: they want to do things, even if though they have 225 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: no inside knowledge of what is happening and are just 226 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: so and so self consistent and just like blaantly disrespecting 227 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: like what people are actually asking for that are in 228 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: these impacted communities, um and have been doing this organizing 229 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: for a long time. So that's the thing. I mean, 230 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right that hitting them in their pockets is effective. 231 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: But like if that's like if you're just going over 232 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: like over and around what people are actually asking you 233 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: to do, like it's not actually about the issue for you, 234 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: it's about being on some kind of moral high horse 235 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: and like an eco trend. Okay, you know, I don't 236 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: want to get this is again, this is why you, 237 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: like you said, this episode is an union of discussions. 238 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to get two bogged out in any 239 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: one topic. But oh yeah, let's keep it rolling. Definitely, 240 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: I definitely thought of an addition to that. But okay, 241 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: we can we can come back to this if we 242 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: have to save this snippet for something else. But anyway, so, 243 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: um so, yeah, people, people forget about the South, they're like, oh, 244 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, they've been bes Bridge and like the Freedom Writers. 245 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: But like, um, especially with like the CRT bands trying 246 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: to happen, you're certainly not going to hear about some 247 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff. I mean, you can't even 248 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: hear about like traditional civil rights history, let alone like, um, 249 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: some of the stuff I'm goot to tell you about 250 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: today obscure esoteric, like yeah, yeah, okay. So, um So, 251 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: this book that I referenced Robin D. G. Kelly is 252 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Hammer and How is a history of the Alabama Communist 253 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: movement during the Great Depression. And let me just sell 254 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: you it is a completely and totally wild read. Um, Like, 255 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: I just it's really it's going to be very hard 256 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: for me to capture because my mind was just excuse 257 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: me what? Um So? In it, Kelly describes the way 258 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: that black workers um brought existing traditions of resistance to 259 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: racial depression into development of a unique version of Marxism, 260 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,479 Speaker 1: and how the Communist Party came to attract a substantial 261 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: number of um, African American workers in Alabama, so like 262 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: fight for like, you know, struggles that we typically think 263 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: of in a Great Depression. Eary of you know, getting 264 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: welfare and you know, just the means to survive when 265 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: that somebody could put out of work obviously, the right 266 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: to vote, just fighting racial terrorism by the clan and 267 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: the police, etcetera. Um, And so we think of it, 268 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: it's just like oh that type of silver right struggle. 269 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: But like in Birmingham during the Great Depression, like the 270 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: folks that were like about that life are real for real. 271 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: We're like straight up like communists apparently like straight like 272 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: not like the we're just going to call you communists 273 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: because no exactly. And speaking of that, I want to 274 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: go ahead and give this caveat, I mean regouts caveat 275 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: as much as it's just like something I've been thinking 276 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: about lately because I've been waiting for the day that 277 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: someone tries to ask me if I'm a communist because 278 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: that's like the scary like and I've been thinking about 279 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: it because I'm not. But I'm like, Okay, the answer 280 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I think it's legitimately is that I'm not because I 281 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: don't even think I know what communism really is, and 282 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: neither does anyone. Most most anyone that would ask either 283 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: of us that question, like doesn't know what it is either. Um, essentially, 284 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I said no, no, no no, I mean, I'm 285 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: just I was going to add to that as is 286 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: I feel the same way. It's like, I'm not but 287 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't go ahead. I'll finish with my thought after you, okay. 288 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: I will say that I am vaguely familiar with it 289 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:53,359 Speaker 1: as an idea I guess as like moneyless, classless, stateless society. 290 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: But I literally don't even know what that means either, 291 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Like it's just really hard to imagine. So I would 292 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: essentially say that I I'm kind of too down to 293 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: be a communist. There's a lot of big books you 294 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: got to read and stuff. I hear. It seems I 295 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: don't know, it's some kind of that's from like a 296 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: theory sort of more scholarly standpoint, I guess, because there's 297 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: got to be like a more what's the word, There 298 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: has to be a more like proletariat understanding because into 299 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: it's not like, hey, I have to read some fucking 300 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: gigantic book of theory by seven different Russian dudes. That's 301 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: a good point because these cats down here in the 302 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: Great Depression era, like they couldn't read a lot of 303 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: them exactly. So now I'm like wait a second, how 304 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: do they How did they get so into this stuff? 305 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I got to read the book 306 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: for some reason. It's weird because like you're a politician, 307 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: but like I get in conversations all the time where 308 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: people ask me like, are you a socialist or are 309 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: you a communist? And I kind of give the same 310 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 1: answer that you did, where it's like I don't know 311 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: enough about the ship to claim that I'm in anybody's group, 312 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: but I know that the the people that I don't like, 313 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: I look at communism and socialism in terms of like 314 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: labels the same way that I do as woke. I 315 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: don't personally identify as that ship, but like all the 316 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: people that I hate seem to not like it, so 317 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: I And that actually that makes you think about how 318 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: people like identify as like a proud capitalist or whatever 319 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: when they work at like radio shack or whatever. It's like, 320 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: you don't know, we don't know what capitalism is, do you? 321 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: They got no capital, You ain't gotten zero means of production, 322 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: my friend. Um, so at least I know that, Like, 323 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm not that, not even because I don't want to be. 324 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: I just don't have like properties. I'm renting out or 325 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: like a factory that people work in, Like I'm literally 326 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: not a capitalist in the definition of the term. But 327 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know what any of these 328 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: terms means, and I guess neither did um like the 329 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: black laborers and sharecroppers down in Birmingham until like, you know, 330 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess, like the International like Communist Party, like, yo, 331 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: it's real rough for black folks down there. We need 332 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: to send folks down there to help them out because 333 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: it's real bleak and we're trying to get everybody free. 334 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: And so a couple of white communists showed up in Birmingham, 335 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: and it was a part of like I guess, in 336 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: the imagination of like folks that had experienced like the 337 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 1: Civil War, you know, experienced reconstruction, etcetera. There was this 338 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: lingering sense that like the Yankees were coming back, like Okay, 339 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: the reconstruction failed, but the Yankees are coming back to 340 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: like save us and like holding out to that hope. 341 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: So when these like white communists showed up, they're like, oh, yeah, 342 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: the Yankees are here, so like like help us fighter 343 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: for And they didn't give it. They didn't care at all, 344 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: like what their political ideology was they were just like Yo, 345 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: these people seem ready to throw down. Let's go and 346 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of like launch this crazy like this huge movement. 347 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: I think I read up there was like twelve thousand 348 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: people involved in like these like this coalition of organizations 349 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: that came about. The Communist Party organized organizing at the time. Um. 350 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: But yeah, who were all the organizations? Um? So there 351 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: was like the Sharecroppers Union, Um. The Companist Party itself 352 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: had about five people. Chere, copperst Union had up to 353 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: twelve thousand. Um. I think the number of trade unions 354 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: that got involved in this work of various sizes. Um. 355 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, altogether they were they was like there was 356 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: rolling deep. It was rolling deep. Another thing I wanted 357 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: to say on this is like I think that this 358 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 1: that fact of like the people they were like rolled 359 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: with the folks who showed to help them, no questions asked, 360 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: is like very is very true of politics. Still, um, 361 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of like consternation among like white progressives 362 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: and athens about why, um, older black folks are so conservative. Sometimes, UM, 363 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: I say, sometimes I don't want to pay black voters 364 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: into like any kind of box because we're very ideologically diverse. 365 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: But we've had this discussion. Yeah, like black is not 366 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 1: the political state, Like, yeah, it's on the political party, 367 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: and thank god it's not. It would be worse than 368 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: the Democrats because it's like the big tent includes everyone 369 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: from your mansion too, you know, very standards or whatever. Right, 370 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: but then you can't get anything done. But um, it's 371 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: like the well, y'all the well. One of the reasons 372 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: of many why like black folks of a like of 373 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: a politically powerful classes. It's like they're consider they're very 374 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: consistent voting block, they turn out their re election, they 375 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: sit on committees, and you know, have all these political connections. 376 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: It's because like the folks that have always shown up 377 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: around here are the Republicans, and not even out of 378 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: a sense of like building deep community relationships or even 379 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: caring about people's problems. They've just always been around and 380 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: they've always had the power. And if you want power, 381 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: those are the people you have to work with. Until 382 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: a lot of these folks have been working with Republicans 383 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: for like twenty years because they're the only that's the 384 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: only shot you have getting anything for the community because 385 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: they have all the power. And so those are the 386 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: folks they wrote with. Theyre like, O, well, you know, 387 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: good old you know buddy, and mcclan stir um has 388 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: all he's been in office for twenty years. I know 389 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: that guy. He's always been around and so like that's 390 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: my homies for no other reason than they're just the 391 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: people around. I mean, obviously you're right. I just I 392 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: just always think we've got to like caution though, you know, 393 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: I never like, I always try not to look at 394 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: things in like a class reductionists sort of way, because 395 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like, even if 396 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: somebody you know politically is someone you can work with, 397 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: I mean, they still require some vetting because they're like 398 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: if they don't think like black and brown people are human, 399 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: then then the whatever policies that they're talking about don't 400 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: include us. That is the thing that ends up blowing 401 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: my mind. Though. It's like, so y'all telling me, because 402 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: for example, there's dude's reverend in Athens almost ran for 403 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: a commission and he gave like two thousand dollars to 404 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: Brian Camp at one point, an old black reverend guy. 405 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: It's like, you may to tell me, y'all roll with 406 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: the casts. I want to literally ban like the stuff 407 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: like this history of the stuff you did in the sixties, 408 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: marching and stuff. They wouldn't have band us from talking 409 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: about that in school. So this is the people we 410 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: all roll them went for real. I can't. Yeah, I can't. 411 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do it. I can't do it. 412 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: And I mean, I mean, perhaps I understand the necessity 413 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: of it, but there is I do and even if 414 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: i'm if I'm being principled about that, it's just like 415 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: I can't help somebody achieve their goal as if they're 416 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 1: including me and their goal when they're not. Does that 417 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: make sense? Yeah? I mean in this case, talking going 418 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: back to depressionary Alabama, I mean these you know, these folks, 419 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: whether you were going, you know, agree with their vision 420 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: for what the ultimate goal is for their organizing, you know, 421 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: a quote unquote money less, class less, stateless society whatever 422 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: that is. Um, they did want to give black people free. 423 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: They was like real, real, real, real, real real about it. Um. 424 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: But I mean one aspect I guess of like recalling 425 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: my memory of this book, I don't know to what 426 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: degree there was resistance to like you know, oh y'all, 427 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: y'all communists like what is you know, perhaps it was 428 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: that like um McCarthy ism and stuff and like red 429 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: scared so be it s it wasn't really a thing yet. 430 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: Um So people weren't as you know, as like I 431 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: should be concerned about this. Um as well. I will 432 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: say that one of the things that's great about Kelly's 433 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: book is that he doesn't try to say that like 434 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: communism is good, Like that's for you know, the reader 435 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: to think about on their own. It's just like, yo, 436 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: this is what happened, Like they went down here and 437 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: this is what happened, and like do with this knowledge 438 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: what you will. Um So, it's pretty like neutral and 439 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: objective if you want to just like learn about a 440 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: piece of history that you wouldn't anywhere else because they're 441 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: definitely not gonna teach you about this in school, not anymore. 442 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: Um so. Man. So you know these white communists they 443 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: rolled up in Alabama. They were always devoutly religious and 444 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: like only it's kind of able to read and write, 445 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: like black labors and share croppers, a couple of handful 446 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: of like working class white folks, um and unemployed industrial workers, 447 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, housewives, young folks, some renegade liberals and Um, 448 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: they just like we're ready to throw down. And what's 449 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: really interesting to me, it's like the role of religion 450 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: and all this. So these folks, like all these folks 451 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: were like the val Christians, right, I believe in Jesus 452 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: and redemption. Um. And then when when they started to 453 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: roll the idea of salvation into like their organizing on 454 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: the ground, they kim to start to kind of believe 455 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: that like Russia would come and save them the way 456 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: that like Jesus would if anything got to be real bad. Yeah, 457 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: it's right, what now? And then get this, So they 458 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: blended the teachings of Marx and Lenin in with like 459 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: their popular spirituals um into their sermons. And so for example, 460 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: they turned a line and give me that old time 461 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: religion at the end of the song into if it 462 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: was good enough for Lenin, it's good enough for me. 463 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: And that's what they were like singing in the churches. 464 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: I see. Yeah. And so yeah, it's like merging together 465 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: like this this ongoing struggle and resistant struggle, and like 466 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: it's rootedness and Christianity and the church just rolling in 467 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: the stuff that these cats brought with them down from 468 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 1: New York or wherever and like leaving it like really 469 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: tightly into like the existing fabric of their culture. I'm 470 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: pretty sure Karl Marx was like really racist. I you 471 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: know what, I don't know. I think you're right, though, 472 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: I have a feeling I mean not you know, not 473 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: even like particulars. I just think he was like, you know, 474 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: like obviously of the time. So that's just he was 475 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah yeah, yeah, but I mean again, 476 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: just going to what we were saying, you know, it's 477 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: like there the it's just not every obviously, not everything 478 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: can be broken down into that class divide because like 479 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think that un anywhere of 480 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, lending or marks list of priorities that they 481 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: were thinking. Liberation of people in America. Yeah, yeah, I 482 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: mean it's interesting again read the book. I was drawing 483 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: a little bit from memory on this. There were some 484 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: flashes and struggles between the white and blackbird in the 485 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: classes and struggles to bring the white folks and etcetera. 486 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: But ultimately it did end up being like a multi 487 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: racial movement because while um, well the black folks, I 488 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: mean they would get strong, strong up, you know, intreatues 489 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: and stuff, white folks couldn't get any sort of like 490 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: um relief from the Great Depression, hunger and stuff, and 491 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: so was like, oh, yeah, we're actually have in the 492 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: same problems out here. You mean to tell me if 493 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: we like unite, like we can all get some like 494 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: that sound of that kind of spirit. It's also something 495 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: who don't want you to know about. But what they 496 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: really don't want you to know about is that these 497 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: folks believed in armed self defense and don't mean believed 498 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: in it, like they were like militant, like militant militant 499 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: engaging in what one history called suicidal confrontations with the police, 500 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: union busters the clan. They were like not at all 501 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: afraid to meet God, Like a lot of a lot 502 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: of folks like got killed in gun battles in addition 503 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: to like, oh just typical like racist terrorism in the South, 504 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: like literally there's rolled up like prepared to die like 505 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: in violent war with the police and stuff. Here's a question, 506 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: do you think do you think that the religious aspect 507 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: of it that they incorporated into it at all might 508 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: have helped people get in that sort of like mindset 509 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: of like being prepared to Yeah, I mean I'm agagined, 510 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, I also recently had been watching the new 511 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: John Brown TV show, The Good Lord's part that I 512 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: would recommend it even Hawk is like pretty bananas in it. 513 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: But um, thing like I didn't really understand like the 514 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: geosity that kind of underpinned John Brown's like pursuit to 515 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: end slavery by any means. Like he was like, you know, slavery, 516 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: it's a sin. It's a great like one of the 517 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: great sins. Like you know, God has sent me to 518 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: like dispatch any slavery and like by any means, like 519 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: get people free, like in the name of the Lord, right, 520 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, did you see the there was a 521 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: prager you video that they did about who was it? 522 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: Was it George Washington? No, it wasn't George. The prigger 523 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: You did a video on somebody and they were like 524 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: trying to be like, hey, why this person's statue shouldn't 525 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: be pulled down or something like that, And they were 526 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: giving a list of the different things that they did 527 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: that they were trying to say, hey, this Confederate person 528 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: did this, and one of the things was they helped 529 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: to bring down the John Brown revault. It's like wait 530 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: a minute, Yeah, first of all, don't you realize all 531 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: slavery ended in America through violence. There was a giant war, 532 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: if you may recall, and that's what he was trying 533 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: to do, was trying to start a like a ward 534 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: in slavery. So maybe we've been sold any other way, 535 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: check your check your math there. Probably you I don't 536 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: know you. I don't know you trying to stay here, sir, 537 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, I wonder, I mean, like, um, I wonder too, 538 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: the degree to which, like, yo, we're going to heaven 539 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: fighting you know, valiantly for like the Lord's will by 540 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: like getting out here and getting these gun violes with 541 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: the police. How much that inspired their work? And that 542 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: then makes me think of like one of the things 543 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: that like drove my um like fairly recent disillusionment with 544 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: like Christianity was like seeing how folks often are like, well, 545 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's just a part of God's plan and 546 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: there's not nothing anything to do about it. We'll just 547 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: like wait around to go to heaven and they'll be 548 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: a real lit then, and it's like, bro, like we 549 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: can like things don't have to be the way that 550 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: they are now. And I wonder if that ship because 551 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: like you didn't I don't think you saw that kind 552 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: of stuff in like the Civil rights moment. You had 553 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: the preachers and the pastors and folks out there with 554 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: in the marches. Um. And you don't only see that 555 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: too much these days. You've got people like you know, 556 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: Reverend um Barber, you know, with a poor People's campaign, 557 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: but not you don't only have a huge um national 558 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: figures that are of the church that are like, yo, 559 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: let's throw down and like in the name of Jesus, 560 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, I don't know, I 561 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: want to do a whole episode on that, because I 562 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: think the phenomenon is a bit super interesting. Um. I 563 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: mean because like if that if you know that, definitely 564 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: that definitely does seem to be like kind of the 565 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: attitude that ship is, like ship morphed into kind of 566 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: like you know, like pray thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayer. Yeah. 567 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: And I don't want to paint this with the two 568 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: broader brush because we're all in a time where it 569 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: like movements are very decentralized. We don't have a Martin 570 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: Luther King Jr. In general. Um. And so that's not 571 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: to like say this is typical of all churches everywhere, 572 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: just because there isn't like a national leader that captivates 573 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: our imagination the way that like Imalkay did in his time. 574 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: But I mean that's just what I've seen a lot 575 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: of times, and so it's so so cable the opposite 576 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: in the way they went. These folks went into it. 577 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: They were like, yo, if today is the day I 578 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: meet the Lord, I'm about it, Like we're coming for 579 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: these you know, these landlords that evicted so and so 580 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: and just going out guns blazon. It's so strange. But yeah, 581 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: I should totally come back and do a whole whole 582 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: episode on that, yeah, because I mean I don't even know. 583 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know we're gonna get to it here, but 584 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the soul civil rights aspect of 585 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: Birmingham as well, you could have it. We could have 586 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: a whole episode on that ship. Yeah, oh no, that's 587 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: so so much Sean cover. And then we'll get to 588 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: sort of like at least want to get to today 589 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: kind of talking about like how all this lay the 590 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: groundwork for the civil rights movement in ways they will 591 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: never tell you about, um, but like so they're out 592 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: here like with rifles and stuff, just like gun battling 593 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: the racists. Do you have any examples of like, like 594 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: a confrontation at all? I wish I did. I don't 595 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: have one off the top of my head, unfortunately. Yeah, 596 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: but that's another thing. We get some stories on that. 597 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if we if we mentioned some of those standoffs. 598 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: Oh man, yeah, Um damn, I wish I would have. Yeah, 599 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: gone back and we read the book, because because that's 600 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: the thing that blew my mind. It's like the descriptions 601 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: of the throwdowns in the book. I'm just like, they did, 602 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: excuse me, they did what? And then get this that 603 00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: they were doing all this. We're like, um, fairly reasonable things, 604 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: better well welfare policies for the hunger stricken, destitute, you 605 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: know bottom, you know, bottom of the bottom of the 606 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: bottom folks, and the depression era, better treatment for workers, 607 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: basic civil rights. They're fighting for the right to vote, 608 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: right to sit on jury's, you know, right to not 609 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,479 Speaker 1: get jim crowed. Effectively, depression. This is a a depression erea. 610 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: So they were out here just a meeting people's basic 611 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: needs for food, water, and shelter. If someone's water got 612 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: turned off, comedies probably would figure out a way to 613 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: turn the water back on. If electricity got turned off, 614 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 1: they able to come and use jemper cables to run electricity. 615 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: And if someone got evicted from their home, they would 616 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: roll up to the landlord and be like, look, you 617 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 1: have a choice. You need to put that family back 618 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: in their house or yours might not be there tomorrow, 619 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: and like just yeah, just to give people a sense 620 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,439 Speaker 1: of like the timeline and ship like that, like any 621 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: sort of like real civil rights discussion was at least 622 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: like twenty years away from this point were doing that. UM. 623 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean they just wanted we want some 624 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 1: kind of work or want somewhere other support for the government. Um. 625 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: But then another like animating issue for them was the 626 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: Scottsboro case. Nine young black men were also arrested for 627 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: raping t white women and they end up going to jail. 628 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: And so this is a tie into the soil of 629 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Rights movement because apparently Rosa Parks attended some of their 630 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: leadings around the Scottsboro case UM, and as well some 631 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: of these um we'll come back to the second UM. 632 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: But this was like a central place where they had 633 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of tension with the Double A CP down 634 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: there at the time. So I don't even mentioned earlier 635 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: that UM like when a CP rolled up in Birmingham, 636 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: the Double a CP. So when UM the Commonist Party 637 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: are arrived in Birmingham, the Double A CP of Birmingham 638 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: and all over the surrounding county had six Jews paying 639 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: members like they were like gasping for air, like not 640 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: even UM. So there's just there's so much sh unpack here. Unfortunately, 641 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to come back to it. Well, I 642 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: guess fortunately I'm gonna come back to it in an 643 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: upcoming episode. We have a lot of great guests coming 644 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: up in the next couple of weeks, too, very excited 645 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: for what's the store for waiting on reparations, including this 646 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: new single then Matt has put out this week called 647 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: should Not Be Multiplied. Let's spend a little bit of 648 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: that to take us out this week. I don't yo, 649 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: rappers want to battle, but they just ain't got the AMMO. 650 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: Keep my mouth alow on the microphone like it's the 651 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: camel toll was hand me Yo. When a rabbit flow, 652 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: it is quite mechanical. It's like a caddle. Turn the 653 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: MC to a fan of go damnage broke. It got 654 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: them talking with a man to ball my Spanish plug. 655 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: Cut your fucking neck and let the hammer blow when 656 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: it comes. I hit you with that false niggas can 657 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: of post. Niggas ain't on my team, so fucking little 658 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: and a million dollars you ain't that really tough for 659 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 1: neck bit reaction every ran and silly stop sn open 660 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: hand slap. Boy, You can't just really blow? Have you 661 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: ever consent? It's a chance he really Sueah, you just man, 662 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: because I'm the standing bear. Can't be fair band and 663 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: all you're standing fair? Come funk with your man right here. 664 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: You ain't gotta take my word. Hurt the ship with 665 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: chandelier and with the ships. The reason that the witnesses 666 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: just can't appeal. All I got is trying to get 667 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: a stash. All I got his emptys in my way 668 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: in the prophets of my past. Also I got some 669 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: pocket full of cash. I don't even think that none 670 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: of this is skint of matter, sins who I just 671 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: want to wrap. I just want to wrap it. Just 672 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: easy to knock us all off the map. Nigger. I 673 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: just want to rap and maybe get a pocket for 674 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: the cash. But I don't even think it shouldn't matter. 675 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: When I'm rapping in the kids, fool, I'm trying to 676 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: let the world know I even got the grip to 677 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: pimping in the fur color gets you with the pix 678 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: too while I'm simping. But low, get upuff my dick food. 679 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: You probably call your girl bro knife. I wonder I'm 680 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: rob when I'm in slumber. My mama woo my ass 681 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: and my music. I hot it from her. I bury 682 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: these wrappers, not in the casting, but lying under the cat, 683 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: spraying out more loads and the Bryan Pappa. It's that 684 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: MPC food. It's made for a boom box. These motherfucker's 685 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: spinning like the wrappers and boom docks. The wrist taker 686 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: reaching your mouth like grip Baker, rip your fucking jar 687 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: out if it means I'm gonna get paper, yo, all 688 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: I got is trying to get a stash. All I 689 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: got his emptys in my way in the prophets of 690 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: my cast. Also, I got some pocket full of cash. 691 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't even think that none of this kind of matter. See, 692 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: I just want to wrap. I just want to wrap it. 693 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: Just some me disease and knock as all the map nigger. 694 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: I just want to wrap and maybe get a pocket 695 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 1: for the cash. But I don't even think you shouldn't matter, 696 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: you just want to wrap. Listen to Waiting on Reparations 697 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever 698 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.