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Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi. I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and

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Speaker 1: we're going on a series of double dates to find

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Speaker 1: out what makes a marriage last. To visit with actor

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Speaker 1: John Legozamo and his wife Justine. All we had to

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Speaker 1: but as we cruised down their block amidst all these

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Speaker 1: find number fifty one. What it's said on the building

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Speaker 1: was eighteen fifty four, eighteen fifty little plaque outside outside,

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Speaker 1: So you think it's ten years before, Yes, sir, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: I love the field knows this Kindiston. Don't play trivial

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Speaker 1: for suit with him. You believe the room, they won't

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Speaker 1: fly forget trivial pursuit. This house was just teeming with history.

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Speaker 1: We've lived here about ten years in this house. And

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Speaker 1: is there is there another family above you or do

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Speaker 1: you have the home? We have the whole thing. Our

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Speaker 1: remodel a lot? We didn't gut renovation pretty much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like this floor from eight nineteen hundreds. Yeah, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: You can tell by how beat up it is. I

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Speaker 1: movie actually John was in Carlito's Way and I was

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Speaker 1: a costume pa and we met at a fitting. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean the first time I saw her it was

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Speaker 1: eventually he said yes, yeah. I took a few years.

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Speaker 1: Was it electric for you? Absolutely? I knew, really, I

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Speaker 1: knew immediately that we should be together, But there was

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Speaker 1: But I knew who he was from because he had

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Speaker 1: So and you had been married already. I was engaged.

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Speaker 1: I was engaged at the time that I was. We

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Speaker 1: knew each other a long time before we started dating.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not the police. Were you ever married before? No? No, No,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't either. Well you were mad before two? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: He had five children? Whoa yeah in six years birth

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Speaker 1: control was yeah. But it was interesting because I didn't

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Speaker 1: How did you not do it? I said, because I'm

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Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want to do that. I want

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Speaker 1: so you met and you got married much later if

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Speaker 1: It just wasn't it. I thought that was really sexy.

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Speaker 1: You'll raise again Katholic and Seven day Adventists. Oh really?

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Speaker 1: And then all my family converted to Evangelism. Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: How did your parents feel about you not marrying a Latin?

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Speaker 1: Was that a problem? We'd line of people. We don't

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Speaker 1: At the end, I'm Lebanese, which is actually Arab, right,

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Speaker 1: That was nineteen ninety. Yeah. With John's cultural identity so

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Speaker 1: back to our interview with John and Justine Legozamo. While

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Speaker 1: I grew up going to public schools. And why did

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Speaker 1: you think that's better? Just because the real world. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just it was so much fun and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think that that makes us work on it. It

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Speaker 1: makes me work on it, and I think that's that's

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Speaker 1: fun too. That's what keeps it exciting. Double Date is

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Speaker 1: a production of Pushkin Industries. The show was created by

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Speaker 1: US and produced by Sarah Lilly. Michael Bahari is associate producer.

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Speaker 1: Musical adaptations of It Had to Be You by Sellwagon, Symfinette,

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Speaker 1: Marlo and I are executive producers, along with Mia Lobell

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Speaker 1: and Letal Molad from Pushkin. Special thanks to Jacob Wiseberg,

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Gladwell, Heather Faine, John Snars, Carly Migliori, Eric Sandler,

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Speaker 1: Emily Rostek, Jason Gambrel, Paul Williams, and Bruce Kluger. If

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Speaker 1: you like our show, please remember to share, rate, and review.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, bo