WEBVTT - Jeff McCracken Meets World Again 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.720 Adler had a big fifth birthday yesterday birthday party, not 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.720 a birthday birthday party, and it was Sonic themed. I 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.640 told you that. Then one night, randomly he told a 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:33.479 stranger that he was having a big Batman themed birthday 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.559 and I was like, well, you're wrong, it's Sonic and 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.720 he's like, I never said I wanted Sonic. I was like, yes, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.040 you did. Anyway, you start recording him exactly. That's what 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.199 we're getting him. A sign of contract, just one of 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.199 the two. Look you signed on the dotted line. And 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.440 so anyway, he had a Sonic themed birthday and he 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.360 absolutely loved it. And one of the things we did 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:57.360 was we hired characters to come and we were going 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:01.760 to just pick Sonic and Tails because those are well. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.560 We really wanted Knuckles, but they don't have the Knuckles character, 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:08.120 or the Knuckles character was just unavailable that day. It 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.360 was one of the two. I don't think they had 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.560 a Knuckles character. So we were like, okay, we're just 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.520 going to get Sonic entails. That'll be good. And as 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.520 we're on the phone with the guy booking it, he goes, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:26.400 might I suggest that you also get Doctor Robotnik and 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.440 Jensen goes. He's saying we should also get Doctor Robotnik, 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:30.759 and I was like, why do we want the bad 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.039 guy there? I don't want the bad like they like 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:35.640 Sonic and Tails. I don't need Doctor Robonnick. And the 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.759 guy says, well, the problem is that Sonic and Tails 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.759 can't talk. They have the giant heads on and they 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.280 can't talk, so there's nothing they can really do other 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.160 than just kind of stand there. Doctor Robotnik can do 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:54.160 games and relay races and think. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:59.600 let's definitely add Doctor Robotnick. And boy, am I glad 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:00.880 we did. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.560 It would have been a lot of silence and awkward waving. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:10.400 I was dying. Doctor Robotnik was so hype and like 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.240 people were saying they parked, they had to park down 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.359 the street and they could hear him down the block. Yeah, 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:17.760 we did, and I. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:19.840 Parked way far away and we're like, oh, I think 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.000 they're about to sing the song because there's some guy 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.640 screaming like it's Adler's birthday song, and I was like, 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:28.519 what the hell is happening right now? 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:29.760 Yeah, it was a little crazy. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:32.760 When we pulled up and I saw the Sonic standing 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:35.400 you know. I was like, Indy, Indy, I think I 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.960 think that's ugly Sonic. 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:37.760 And he got really excited. 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.240 He's like, really, is it really ugly Sonic. I'm like, no, no, 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:43.440 I don't think that's the thing. And please don't say 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:47.560 that to the guy walking up. Oh you're ugly Sonic. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:49.880 But yeah, I know he thinks ugly. You know what's weird? 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.920 Like Indy's never played a single Sonic game. 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:53.880 He doesn't. It's like that. 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.880 The contest. I never played it, so I don't really like. 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.840 But it's just so like he knows everything. He knows 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:02.680 all the characters, and he's seen the movies and he 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.360 does like the movies. But it's it's just so crazy 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.320 to me that it has no relationship to. 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:08.320 A video video games. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:12.320 It's just it's just content and characters and like all 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:14.040 of this stuff, it sort of floats around in the 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:16.640 absorb it and they you know, Pokemon. He never played 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.600 the Pokemon card game, but he went through a Pokemon phase. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:22.240 And I'm just the opposite. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.960 I've never seen a Sonic movie, I've never seen a 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.760 Sonic cartoon. But I played the original Sonic game. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:28.800 It was great. It was like it was Sega's version 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:29.320 of Mario. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.560 That's like what came with the console, and it was 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:33.000 it was think you'd hear all the coins? 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:34.920 Oh yeah, it was super cool. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.800 Oh I love the Sonic game. And and Adler also 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.640 has never played Pokemon with the cards, but he knows everybody. 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.920 He's like, oh, that's Peakachu, and that's so and so. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.200 And he likes the rap battles on Spotify they do 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:51.520 Pokemon rap battles, So two different Pokemon characters rap battle 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:52.640 and he loves those. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:54.160 God, here's such gensens. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.560 We know he's Jenson's kid. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.440 He's already like, wait, wait, can two cares insult each 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:02.720 other and wrap for? 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:04.600 I enjoy that? 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:09.680 I really Yeah, that's good. We've been making fun of 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:17.000 him in rhymes since he was Yeah it sounds. It 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.960 was really fun. And doctor Robotnik really got the party started, 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.800 as had the time of his life. Indy was in 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:29.679 the bounce house being absolutely pummeled by five year olds 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.200 and their little siblings. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.960 The bounce house was so we look over at one point, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.559 so all of a sudden, looks like a triage station 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:38.800 in the Korean War. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.360 Every five minutes, so the kid is coming out crying 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.480 being cares one kid. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.320 I'm talking to one kid about magic the gathering, who's 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.680 six or seven years old, who's got tissue on his 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:50.160 face because he was kicked in the mouth, so he's 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:52.560 bleeding from the mouth as he's talking about magic. Meanwhile, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:54.919 two other kids roll out of the bounce house crying 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.560 as if they were just like it just taken down too. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.520 There's two other kids literally holding their legs like shaking 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.120 on the ground, and I just see Jensen walk over. 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.520 He crabs and plug he goes. I'm calling it. I'm 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:06.919 calling it. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:10.920 All the things like that. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.080 I actually became a cage match. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:14.039 It was intense. 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.120 It was incredible to watch this whole I just it 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.160 was like one of those old war movies. Everything was 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.880 all of a sudden in slow motion, and the kids 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.120 were like crying on the ground as the music played. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.200 And the better part was that kids would come out crying. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.440 I just got body slim and then they'd cry for 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.840 a second, get a hug from their mom, and then 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:33.800 go right. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:35.760 Back in, right back in. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.920 I just want to see they just wanted to be noticed, acknowledged. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:40.279 This is crazy, what's happening. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:41.720 I'm going in, I'm going down there. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.040 Well, the greatest thing is just all these little crying 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.400 kids leaving the party, like as they're bawling being handed 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:48.360 their little gift bag. 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:55.039 So here, by the way, rape cotton candy in the 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:55.600 gift bag? 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:57.320 Is it so good? 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:58.520 Rape cotton candy? 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.560 Who thinks somebody sud get off the juice boxes? 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.600 Juice boxes? And he was like, Dad, cotton candy is weird. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.640 I'm like, yeah, cotton candy is weird. He's like, it's 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.360 just like sugar that dissolves in your mouth. I'm like yeah, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.320 he's like, but grape is good. It's like, there's no 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.840 such thing as great. He's like, try this. And now 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:20.000 I'm candy. So we got a shipment coming. I've I've 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:20.479 ordered a. 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.240 Brand new way to inguest fine sugar. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.960 Oh, yes, you guys have the cake though. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:32.919 Yes, I don't do cake. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.640 Person either, but I loved this cake. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.320 Yeah, we are like we're a bad boy meets world 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:36.920 along that that were not cake people. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:37.400 I know. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.560 I don't know. I'm gonna need the name of your 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:42.839 pizza place though, because that pizza pizza place was good. 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.240 Oh that's the best best pizza in La It's prime pizza. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.200 It's literally the best pizza. Where do you get it 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.039 in Burbank? So did you have people drive to go 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.240 get her? They deliver it from Bourbank. They delivered it 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.520 for a large delivery fee and a don't think they 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.560 normally deliver. We did it through the catering department and 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.640 they were like, well, we'll do it. It's going to 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.720 cost you, but man, it's it's. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:11.040 Under the name to Penga. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.560 Yeah, we'll do it. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.840 We'll do it, We'll do it. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:16.200 It was. 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.280 It was a really fun party. We had, you know, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.400 like you mentioned great pizza. We had a cake from 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.920 Varta which was a tres leches cake with strawberries. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:24.960 Good. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.360 I'm not a cake person either, but boy did I 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.880 enjoy that cake. And yeah, it was a turned out 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.120 to be a wrestling match, which you know, guy, you 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.640 guys knew that was in our wheelhouse. So it's just 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.880 pretty perfect. And now writers a great cotton candy guy 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.200 and Will is obsessed with honest juice boxes. 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.560 They were, I'll be honest, they were great. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.440 Yeah you never had an honest juice box, no, I 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.080 guess there axes all the time. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:50.440 So this was a great one. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.920 And two of the lechas were really good the third one. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:59.000 Okay, welcome to Pod Meets World. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.080 I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfred Hell. 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.000 As Season four of Boy Meets World comes to an 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.320 end here on the podcast. Like Boys to Men once said, 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:24.200 it's so hard to say goodbye, they also said Boys 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.920 to Men ABC, BBD the East Coast Family, But that's 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.840 not really important right now. What is important is that, 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:34.640 based on your Instagram comments. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.480 East Coast Family, it works. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.839 She's not really She's not really quite important in the 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.480 scheme of things, but I did just want to get 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:46.559 it out. We are in for a bumpy ride based 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.720 on reading your comments from here on out, and even 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.840 though we are leaving what appears to be the peak 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.520 of our show, we still have questions. What made this 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.480 season so special? Why did everything come together during these shoots? 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.720 What was the special sauce? We recently spoke to Jeff 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.160 Sherman about the writer's room and his seminal scripts from 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.200 that year, and today we've decided to go even further 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.960 and talk to another creative mind who was so important 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.480 to season four. We literally couldn't have done it without him. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.000 He's a director who not only was a leader for 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:22.240 us on stage, but influenced our lives offset helping shape 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.400 us into the adults we are today. And it seems 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.000 you all love him too. At a recent live show 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.240 in Connecticut, we were lucky enough to have him sitting 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.320 in the audience, and some fans recognized and even asked 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:35.880 him for a photo. Why is he such an expert? 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:41.480 On season four he directed all twenty two episodes. So 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:46.800 please welcome back to Podmeets World the most special Jeff McCracken. 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.960 I hope he shows up wearing just an apron and painting. 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.120 Wouldn't it be great? Pat and no shirt. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.800 There's still in better shape than I could ever hope 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:56.160 to be in. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:59.559 My liafe now looking younger than us, that's about. 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.360 Right, putting us all to shame, as per usual. 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:07.480 Disappoint you. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.280 We're just on the covered in paint like you, just 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.360 walking away from the canvas. Real quick little interview. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.800 So good to see you man, Good to see you guys. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.959 Oh my god, I'm still I'm still in a glow 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.920 overseeing you in Hartford months ago. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:27.760 Always so great. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.439 Connecticut does that to people? You leave with the glow 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:32.040 for the very beautiful state. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.800 We go absolutely, well, Jeff, we are so happy to 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.840 have you back, and in such a celebratory way, because 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:44.120 we loved season four so much and we won wanted 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.280 to give you your flowers for it, and two we 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.880 wanted to find out what made this time so special 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.640 for making Boy meets World. First question, when we say 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.840 season four, what are the first things that come to 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.480 mind for you? 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.520 Well, aside from the well, it was a terrific season. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.000 I mean, it was an amazing season, but I think 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.480 the first three seasons really set it up. You know, 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.800 those first three seasons really established all the characters and 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.640 and gave us a rooting interest for everybody in the relationships. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.800 So I think we capitalized in season four. You know, 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:28.320 I think we had an easy way to direct and 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.720 focus our you know, our storylines. You know. I was 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.800 just on a on a I WoT my dog in 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:40.359 this creek called b B Brook and there's a suspension 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.640 bridge over the over the river, and there's an engraving 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:45.600 in the in the hand. Really it says it's by 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:50.880 Threau and it says, uh, the universe is wider than 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.800 our view of it. And as the season four kind 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.960 of well, the whole show really but we're talking about 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.840 season four. But it's kind of of how it's a 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.360 great metaphor for the show because I think at the 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:09.880 time we were, you know, making Boy Meets World, we 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:13.440 didn't have a clue really as to the scope of it. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.320 You know that the fact it would have I just know, 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:19.160 the demands of making the show and surviving week to 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:25.720 week consumed are full and immediate attention. You know, none 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.920 of us were thinking of of creating any kind of 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:32.839 legacy or television folklore. I mean we were hanging by 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.120 the you know, our fingernails week to week, you know, 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:43.560 jumping budget demands, studio notes, network notes, ratings, time slat changes, sensors, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.880 stunt casting, figuring out sweep squeeks. 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:51.600 You know, and you directed every single. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.600 That isn't that is so intense. 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:58.679 It was intense because I was also the head of 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.040 the company and I was also so uh we had 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.200 four shows on the air at one time, and so 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.080 we were running all over the place. You know, Thank god, 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:12.080 we dinosaurs had already come to an end because you know, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.760 we had Bob Young. They are running, running, the running 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.480 the room. And thank God for Bob because Bob, he 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.840 was just a total you know, fantastic show runner, and 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.400 I think he's a large part of why it was 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:28.720 such a successful season four. I really, I really mean, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:30.960 because Michael was off. You know, he's juggling these the other 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.080 shows and new shows too, which you know is very 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.600 hard a new show, the demands are extraordinary, and so Bob, 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.080 you know, he really stirred the show so that when 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.000 Michael showed up for run throughs and for taping, he 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:49.680 can easily shape that show. You know, Michael put his 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.080 brand on it and help us, you know, with a 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.640 fresh set of eyes and play. I mean, Michael was 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.200 always around. I mean he was there for every run 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.840 through and he was there giving notes and very involved. 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.440 But but Bob was the was the anchor, and uh, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:08.160 he was incredibly reliable. He was like a utility player, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:12.839 you know, full who helped out wherever you know, he 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.800 he was needed. And he was a true, true unsung 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:22.520 hero who was intelligence and common sense. Yeah, train on 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:23.200 the tracks. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:25.920 He was also so soft spoken that he kind of 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.440 yeah he kept and talk about some hero. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:30.440 It's because he was. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:31.960 He was like in the background for us. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:34.080 His ego. He didn't need to assert it like he 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.360 did not like constantly put himself front and center or 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.880 make big speeches to us, or ever really let us 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:41.120 know how much he was doing. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.520 That's well, I think until you just said it, I 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.680 did not know that he was actually running the room. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.040 I mean he and he was also jumping on the 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.520 other shows as well with Michael. He was Michael's partner, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.800 I mean Bob, he had a partner named Bob Meyer, 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.160 who was they met. They were hired for My two 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.800 dads were running team and my two dads so when 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.280 Bob went his own way to run Roseanne Bob Meyer, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.840 Bob came over to Disney and worked with Michael, and 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:14.320 he has own and uh to work with Michael and uh. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.480 And I have to say, if it went for Bob, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.000 those shows would not have been nearly as good because 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.680 it was just overwhelming, you know, to do as many 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:25.800 shows as as you know, he ran Dinosaurs. I mean 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.880 when I was on Dinosaurs with him, he ran that room. Uh, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.320 it was it was basically Bob's show, really, I mean Michael, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.920 I meant anything way from Michael at all, but Bob 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:38.000 was the nuts and bolts of that, you know, and 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.240 we had a great staff on that as well. I 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.120 mean that's The one thing too on boy Me's World 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:47.360 is the success of that year with our writers, you know, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.320 going through each episode. I watched the entire season this week, 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:55.360 and so I was like blown away. I really was 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.920 listening to your podcast and listening to your insights which 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.160 have been phenomenal, and but also getting a chance to 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.760 relive it. I was shocked and really surprised at how 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.720 much I remembered and how much impact it had on 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.720 my life and uh and and being part of yours. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.960 It was really very special, such a great season. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.960 Do you remember anything about the transition from season three 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.520 to four? You've obviously been listening to the podcast, and 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.000 you know, we were getting older, we lost the Bullies, 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.240 we lost Eli, We're starting to see less of alan Amy, 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.800 and Turner is slowly fading to the wayside. Did you 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:37.160 have goals or directives when facing the idea that you 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.320 would be directing the entire season. 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.640 That's a that's a good question. I I don't, you know. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:46.400 I I don't remember how that evolved. All I know 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.160 is that when I season three was really fun to 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.120 you know, the shows I directed on that on that season, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.480 that was really a fun season, and in a way 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.360 they really get to know the rhythm rhythm of the show, 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.600 and the actors and and and and the sensibilities of 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:08.080 the show. By the end of season three, I'd fallen 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.040 in love with the show. I really, I mean all 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.040 you guys, I just fell in love with everybody. And 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.720 so when Michael said to me, he said, well, I 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.560 need I need a steady hand. You know, Bob's gonna 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.040 be in the writer's room. You know, you're on the set. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.280 It was a way for him to make sure he 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.840 was leaving the show in good hands, right to go 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:33.280 off and do the other shows. And so I think 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.600 that it was kind of a I just kind of 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.880 assumed that, Okay, wherever I am needed, you know, I'm 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.399 gonna do that. You know, I never had intention of 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.119 directing and producing dinosaurs, as I said to you last time, 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.600 I just want to do feature films. But once you 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.919 get involved with something that you love and is really great, 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.240 and then you just jump on board. So as far 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.640 as our direction for the season four, I think, as 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:58.719 I said before season three, set you all up, it 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:01.040 was it was a natural aggression for me. You know, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.119 all the shows that we did, favorite shows from you know, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.239 in ranking them, like I got to go through them all, 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.200 and really I love them all. But there's a I 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.840 have favorites, you know, there's favorite that it really resonated 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.320 with me personally and and then professionally and then artistically. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.160 So I think, you know, from that perspective, I think 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:28.160 the writers did a great job of mining and putting 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:33.840 forth those relationships again, you know, between you all, and 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.880 you think about I mean, we covered so many bases 0:18:36.920 --> 0:18:39.639 in this season. I mean, if you think about really 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.600 what we covered, I mean we went from you know, 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.800 you know, teenage love, you know, up ending a teenager's 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.920 life by you know, moving them to a different city. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.880 Parental abandonment, child of vanity. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.800 The importance of the as in college. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:03.119 Yes, definding one's identity, honoring one's potential and self worth, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:11.000 class prejudice, mortality with Tony, parental responsibility forgiveness, self respect, 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:12.960 and not to mention, the best way to the e 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 Coca buffs. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:21.600 I think that's that's been haircuts. No, wait, so I can't. 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.960 I have to ask because you said that you went 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.520 through and you watch the entire season and you kind 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.600 of ranked them. What turned out to be your favorite 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:28.520 episode of season four? 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:37.879 Well, you know, for different reasons. You know, like I 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.320 said you before you asked me that last time we 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.199 talked and I and I mentioned and then there was 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.159 seean and then I said along walk to Pittsburgh. And 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:50.359 I didn't really I said it because for some I 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.600 don't know why I said it time. Frankly, you just 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.840 came to me and then rewatched watching the season again. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.639 They were my favorites again, both of those part one 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:01.640 and part two. Part one written by Nelson, part two 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:07.520 written by Bluckman and Busking. And the reason is because 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:13.040 it's set up and established the hardcore relationship between Man 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.720 and Danielle we've been thirsting for and being and have 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.919 been promised. Now. I remember you in your podcast you 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.640 were saying it was kind of like out of nowhere. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.280 You know that this relationship is already, you know, the 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.720 struggle was compounded for out of thin ear almost. 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.879 So those were your two favorites of season four, and 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.000 it's a perfect time to ask. One of my questions 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.199 was do you I'll be diplomatic now and say I 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:44.560 know you love and respect all the writers, but did 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.040 you have a favorite? Is there somebody's name on a 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.520 script that when you saw their name on a script 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:52.720 you would immediately go ooh, I know I'm in for 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:53.359 something good. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.560 Well, they were all that, they all had a different 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.240 personality and they all came through and every show is 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:01.199 it's really quite quite amazing, you know. Uh, you know 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.560 Nelson let us off and Jeff being a playwright and 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:09.639 Jeff being uh a very sensitive soul. Uh. He was 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.760 really wonderful from that respect, you know. And and I 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.200 love Nelson and I love Sherman. I think they those 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.159