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Speaker 2: When we pulled up and I saw the Sonic standing

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Speaker 2: It's just it's just content and characters and like all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are like we're a bad boy meets world

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Speaker 1: Oh that's the best best pizza in La It's prime pizza.

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Speaker 1: It's literally the best pizza. Where do you get it

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Speaker 4: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfred Hell.

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Speaker 1: As Season four of Boy Meets World comes to an

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be great? Pat and no shirt.

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Speaker 1: Right, putting us all to shame, as per usual.

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Speaker 5: So good to see you man, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'm still I'm still in a glow

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Speaker 1: Always so great.

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Speaker 3: Connecticut does that to people? You leave with the glow

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Speaker 5: Well, they were all that, they all had a different

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Speaker 3: like you just it does. Each writer has their own

438
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 3: tone that very much comes through, especially in season four.

439
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: And Janson Susan Jansen, I love I mean, you know,

440
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,480
Speaker 5: it's writers as a room. I loved every one of them.

441
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 5: They're all so great. They were great people, you know,

442
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: so that's the thing, you know, you don't have. There

443
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 5: were no egos. There were there were you know, I

444
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 5: know there were some certain tensions here and there about

445
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 5: about uh uh, you know, titles and this and that sometimes,

446
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 5: but but ultimately it didn't take anything away from their

447
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: enthusiasm for dding for you guys. You know, I was

448
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 5: seriously if it weren't for you guys there you were

449
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 5: able to give these writers the ability to write as

450
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 5: good episodes as they wrote because you demanded it, you know,

451
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 5: you know, I said last time, you know, Bill Daniels

452
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 5: kind of set the bar right from the beginning that

453
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: this was you could You couldn't pander, You couldn't. You

454
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 5: had to really own up and tell a good story

455
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 5: and and honor good actors, you know, and give them

456
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 5: material that they could you know, sink their teeth into

457
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 5: and the other thing that I always remember, you know,

458
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 5: I was watching these shows and how much we covered

459
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 5: in twenty two minutes.

460
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, mines Per showing like like fishing for Verna, I mean,

461
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 7: my god, dealing with a mother who abandoned her family

462
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 7: and the comeback and by the end of the episode

463
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 7: you're you're kind of going where you were rooting for them.

464
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 7: It's like it's the paramount sin of of a parent

465
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 7: to abandon their family, you know, and then to have

466
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 7: that as a you know, the main storyline and then

467
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 7: bring it into a full focus for redemption and reconciliation

468
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 7: or the beginning of anyway. I really it's remarkable.

469
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: And that's the episode where the lunch lady dies too, right,

470
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on.

471
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is.

472
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's true what you said about, especially about

473
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: Build Daniels. When you start there with the casting bill

474
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: made it very clear you're going to come up to

475
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: my level. I'm not going down to yours. And so

476
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: it was all of us kind of like, oh, that's

477
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: where we need to be. And I think all of

478
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: the writers really loved that, frankly, because it was like

479
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: we can write whatever we want and hopefully we grew

480
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: as actors as the show, and I mean clearly when

481
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: you watch season one and season four, we're all just

482
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,679
Speaker 3: way better now. So to see that progression, I think

483
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 3: you're right. I think when you do start with an

484
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 3: anchor like Bill for our cast, and then you've got

485
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: somebody like Michael anchoring just knowing family Sitcom, then everybody

486
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: else moves.

487
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: Up to that level when they can. And I think

488
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: that shows frankly, no question.

489
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: Well, right off the bat the season premiere you Can

490
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Go Home Again. We noticed immediately it looked like there

491
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: were bigger budgets money. Production design was incredible, the new sets,

492
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: the gigantic yocation, shoot driving scenes. Was there a significant

493
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: difference in the budget or was it really just that

494
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: people were getting their ten thousand hours?

495
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, there they they definitely we had

496
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 5: we had, you know, the first show, and we were

497
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 5: always fighting the budget. You know, we always wanted I mean,

498
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: look at these guys. They would have me a script

499
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 5: with you know, wrestling or you know, you know bmbs.

500
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: All this stuff require new sets all the time, or

501
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 5: look shooting.

502
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 4: So singled out they were going on all these.

503
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 5: I had invented a game show. What a game show

504
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 5: would look like you know, singled out. We borrowed their set.

505
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 5: You know, that was really fun. They were very very

506
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 5: conciliatory and helpful, but again up to a point and

507
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 5: it's okay, now it's your you know, you have to

508
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 5: deal with it now. And uh. And then the wrestling

509
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 5: show for you know, sixteen candles, that was the most

510
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: difficult show. I say, it was just crazy. I mean

511
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 5: I had to shoot the show like like I had

512
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: like probably a one time I think eight to ten cameras.

513
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 5: I had six cameras that they really they normally use

514
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 5: for the first actuals.

515
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: Right the w do covering them. They're covering them three

516
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty degrees, whereas we're usually only one direction.

517
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 5: It was insane. And then I can't imagine always insane.

518
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 5: And we only had one chat that you know, basically

519
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 5: one take, maybe two takes. I had you running a

520
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 5: couple of times, so we had coverage like at least

521
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: twice and everything. But but it was insane. We had

522
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 5: a full audience there and it was in It was nuts,

523
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 5: but but it worked out great. We did our prep,

524
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 5: we were all set and ready to go. You guys

525
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: were phenomenal and so it really worked out nicely.

526
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: But did you go to you were there for the

527
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: all the wrestling stuff too, right, because I know there's

528
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: a very fantastic behind the scenes picture of you in

529
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: the ring with Ben and myself where you're blocking our

530
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: dance sequence and Vader and and then are in the background.

531
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite pictures. I have an eight

532
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: by ten of it. I absolutely love it. So I

533
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: knew you were there for all of that. So were

534
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: you it was at the pond, right?

535
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah? Oh yeah, oh yeah, we we we First

536
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 5: of all, we just the pre production alone. I was

537
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: there several times just.

538
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: Just going through looking at it.

539
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 5: All the cameras and studying that, you know, w w

540
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 5: uh have you know, coverage and shows and then I

541
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 5: had I had there's so there were so many moving

542
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 5: parts before we got into that arena, you know, to.

543
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: Shoot and when were you doing this prep when you're

544
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: not when you're on set every week leading up to it.

545
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: Weekends were a big part of that, you know, weekends

546
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 5: and then after the show, you know, I would after

547
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 5: run through, I would run over to the pond and

548
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 5: do all the work. But that's what always I was

549
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: always I was. It was twenty four to seven. I

550
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 5: never told my family your making right.

551
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we got so much like your children.

552
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: We're sorry to your real children.

553
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 5: Yes, they held that against me for a little bit.

554
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: But right now they were fine.

555
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, bringing you onto their podcast.

556
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 4: Exactly.

557
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: They've given them grand children, right. Well, the second episode

558
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: of the season might just be my favorite of the

559
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: rewatch hair Today, Goon tomorrow, which is when I cut

560
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: my hair. What do you remember from this very high

561
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: pressure day.

562
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 5: Well, I remember your your Extrawdinarily, you were very nervous.

563
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 5: I remember you being extraordinary nerves in a way that

564
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 5: was like you were professional obviously, and I knew you

565
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 5: were gonna be fine. But you know, we had one

566
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 5: one shut, one take, yeah, and everyone's on pins and neils.

567
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 5: You know, it was just one of those things. And

568
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 5: and then when you did it, it was like I

569
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 5: thought that scream was actually quite real.

570
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: Everyone everyone was so sure that I was really scared

571
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: about cutting my hair. But the truth is I was thrilled.

572
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: You wanted to cut it. The whole week. You were like,

573
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: I can't wait to cut it.

574
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. I wanted to do it more all summer,

575
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: and the thing that scared me, of course, was the

576
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: fact that I knew we only had one take and

577
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: to set it up, you know, Jeff had come out

578
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: to me. You would come out to me many times

579
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: and said, listen, we only have it once. I need

580
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: you to go, like, you're going to cut your hair,

581
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: but you cannot cut it until I know we have

582
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: it all. So it was like, so I'm gonna yell stop,

583
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: But then the way I was gonna know if I

584
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: could cut it, you weren't gonna yell stop. So I

585
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: am like, many times, go to cut my hair and

586
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: then you'd yell and come running out, and I'd be like,

587
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cut it, and then when I'm supposed to,

588
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: it's just quiet, and I'm.

589
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: Like, for real, forriller out because I'm gonna.

590
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: Do it now, Like that's in my head. It was

591
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: like and Michael. I remember Michael coming out and going

592
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: show me where you're gonna cut, show me, show me

593
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: where you're gonna do, Where are you gonna grab, where

594
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: are you gonna grab And it was like, well, I'm

595
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: gonna grab her nope, lower nope, because he did not

596
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: want it to be too short. Okay, and he knew

597
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: I had control because I was gonna be the one

598
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: with the scissors. So he wanted to know, show me again,

599
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: show me again, what are you gonna do? Where are

600
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: you gonna where are you grabbing it? Where are you

601
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna cut? And I was like, in my mind, I

602
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: wanted it a little shorter. I knew he wanted it

603
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: a little longer, and so yes, it was a very

604
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: intense day.

605
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: But boy, and then we're anxious to cut your hair.

606
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Though I had wanted to cut my hair for so long,

607
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: the reason we did the episode is because I had

608
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: called Michael the beginning of summer and said I want

609
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: to cut my hair. Can I cut it? And he said,

610
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: at least let me write an episode for it, So

611
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I had to wait all summer. So by the time

612
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: we got to it, I had been ready to cut

613
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: my hair for months. But we completely forgot and we

614
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: were just couldn't believe it when we watched it that

615
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: it was the same episode as Good Looking Guy, which

616
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: which yeah, I mean, Mike, have been Will's biggest comedic episode.

617
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Yet you got to shoot another show opening for him,

618
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: And so what do you remember about it? Because to

619
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: us it was such just a massive reminder of what

620
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: a huge star and a genius this guy is.

621
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 5: Well, no question, you know, we didn't know, you know,

622
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: going into it. Everything with Will was like, Okay, let's

623
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 5: try this, you know, let's throw this at him. Le's

624
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 5: see what we can do. And it's like amazing. Every

625
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: time we threw anything at him, he would come up

626
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 5: and commit a wholeheartedly to it. When it was bad,

627
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 5: We'll always was good, seriously, you know. But but this

628
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 5: particular episode with gellow boy, I mean that shallow boy,

629
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 5: but the woman looking guy was I mean, so all

630
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 5: these were set up pieces for him to showcase our

631
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: our wonderful, comedic genius show, you know, and so and

632
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: when he was really wonderful is that in this particular thing,

633
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 5: well feeny, I mean the fact that well, anyway, I

634
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 5: just think that Will nailed it. And and uh, throughout

635
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 5: the week I saw, you know, he kind of got

636
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: it right from the get go, he kind of had

637
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 5: it already. It was it was almost like, you know,

638
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 5: you don't want to peak too soon. That that was

639
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 5: the thing about the show. Sometimes our run throughs were

640
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 5: so good that where are we to do now? Because

641
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 5: they're so good and uh, are we gonna get stale?

642
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 5: But by the time we shoot, and so you know,

643
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 5: the I think we always kind of held back a

644
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: little bit, you know, but Will Will was always in

645
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 5: there one hundred percent and he never failed to throw

646
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 5: it one hundred percent every every through, every take, every

647
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 5: It was just great, you know. And and what was

648
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 5: nice too, he had a consistency but made it feel

649
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: like very improvisational all the time. You know. It was

650
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: like that wonderful moment, the moment that Miser talked, you know,

651
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 5: Michael and I just go moment a moment, listen and

652
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 5: have fun, you know, and with a point of view.

653
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 5: You know, that's that was also great about all of

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 5: you guys. You always always had always listened beautifully and

655
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 5: you always had a great point of view, with the

656
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 5: point of view which made it really engaging to watch.

657
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 5: And because we were not interested in what you were saying,

658
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 5: but how you were you know, were reacting And and

659
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 5: that's what gave us our rooting interest for you guys,

660
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 5: because we knew you were real and you you respected

661
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 5: each other, and we were always in there with each other,

662
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 5: taking care of each other as actors. It was really wonderful,

663
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 5: really wonderful.

664
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Season four also marked the beginning the debut of the

665
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: Wilderness Store, which is a pretty intense set.

666
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: And we all set remember that, Jeff, we'd we'd be walking,

667
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 3: We'd be like, well, let's do it back there ninety

668
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 3: feet from the.

669
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: Camera happened and that balcony because it was just too far.

670
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: I know, there was one scene where where you guys

671
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: were stacked on the stairs one time, and all I

672
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: could picture was how you had to get the cameras

673
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: all the way in there in order to be able

674
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: to do it. We also seemed to remember it being

675
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: used more than it was. I mean, there are quite

676
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: a few scenes that take place in it, but they

677
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: don't really necessarily showcase the Wilderness Store.

678
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a shame it wasn't utilized more.

679
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Did you remember the bear that we had in there?

680
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 5: I remember the bear last episode last podcast I talked

681
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 5: to You was one of my favorite moments is when

682
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 5: the bear stands up and and will we put a

683
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 5: fan behind behind the camera? Air would be blown, you know.

684
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 5: When the guy walked on said with the one arm,

685
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 5: that was the best Troy. That to me was one

686
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 5: of the best jokes and and it was nothing never

687
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 5: mentioned it that was like, I love like that best.

688
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: My favorite site as from the season was when the

689
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: Affair to Forget episode where I just have a trophy,

690
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: like I've just become a yuppie and we nevers it

691
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: is completely like upper tennis player.

692
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: So Danielle mentioned that, and I think we talked about

693
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 3: this a little bit. Daniel mentioned that, you know, it's

694
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: really starting to showcase more of us and kind of

695
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: less of the parents. Was this something that was just

696
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 3: a natural progression or is there an actual conversation about

697
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: we need to focus this more on the younger kids

698
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: than the adults.

699
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think it was ever a conscious

700
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 5: decision and we never said we never said, oh, we're

701
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 5: gonna focus more on the kids. I think you're right,

702
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 5: and it was an actual progression. But if you look

703
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 5: at the episodes closely, uh, they were still very pivotal.

704
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean Alan's whole storyline about to get

705
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 5: the store to the store, you know, about his self

706
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 5: worth and and and and sense of of of of relevance.

707
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 5: And I think that everybody adults, you know, I never

708
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 5: felt that they were being short drifted. Ever, when I

709
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 5: watched this again. Their their function and I mean stings

710
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 5: with with Feeney, Betsy and Rusty Uh, you know, and

711
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: and when he's going through his his his job dilemma.

712
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 5: It was one of the best scenes, I know, phenomenal

713
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: There's those three of them and then Betsy knocking out

714
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 5: of the park everything she got, I mean all of them.

715
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 5: So they were a great uh. They were the backboard

716
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 5: for you guys to hit the balls against. And I

717
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 5: think they their relevance for me was just as strong

718
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 5: as any other season because when you went to them,

719
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 5: they gave They were the backbone for you guys to

720
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: to to to uh to build on, and they were

721
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 5: always the moral compass. They were always the kind of

722
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 5: the the thing that gave you permission to be kids

723
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 5: in a way, you know. Anyway. I just, I just

724
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 5: I loved the evolution of that show of season four,

725
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: and I don't you know, I think it's the beginning

726
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: of that for sure, because season five, six and seven,

727
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 5: you guys are off college and blah blah blah. So yeah,

728
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 5: there their roles do do become diminish. I mean, I

729
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 5: think the first selva was when when Turner uh is gone,

730
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 5: you know, you start to see, you know, when Alex

731
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 5: Deser disappears. I mean you certain people just start to

732
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: get you know, because of the functionality of of twenty

733
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 5: two minutes, you know, and trying to fit that many characters,

734
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 5: and you can't. If it was an hour show, they

735
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 5: would have been much more present.

736
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about Turner. What is

737
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 1: your take on it? He was iced out pretty quickly

738
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: and then we have the motorcycle accident, which we will

739
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: get to later. What do you remember about the discussions

740
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: of him leaving the show and was there any possibility

741
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: that Turner being in the hospital was Michael's way of

742
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: kind of pushing the hand. Was it a network thing?

743
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: Was it a money things? We talked about the possibility

744
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: that leaving it on a cliffhanger of him kind of

745
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: in the hospital. Was there any sort of possibility that

746
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: they were like, let us bring him back because people

747
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: are going to want to see this resolved. What's your

748
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: take on the Turner all I didn't want to kill him, right.

749
00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: That was not our right goal and that was and

750
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 5: it was our discussion with with with bringing him back.

751
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 5: Really it wasn't the money thing. Uh. We wasn't asking

752
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 5: to become you know, better paid or anything like that.

753
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 5: Tony was off for I think there were other interests.

754
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: There was other interest in him, other shows. So I

755
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 5: think he wanted, you know, there was a certain thing

756
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 5: with giving him his freedom to be able to pursue

757
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 5: those shows. And we didn't know you know, you know,

758
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 5: it was kind of a thing where again the evolution

759
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: of how much do we take from Bill, you know,

760
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 5: and give the limited amount of time we have on screen,

761
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 5: we wanted to make sure Bill was covered, you know,

762
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 5: and and and that he was always the the main

763
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: the main presence of teaching.

764
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: So and the irony there is that he Tony has

765
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: brought in second season in a way to have somebody

766
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,919
Speaker 2: to play off Bill. But then once the Sean Turner died,

767
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: dynamic Turner became much more of the sort of home

768
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: dynamic than the school dynamics. So yeah, that's that's ironic.

769
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is in a way. But also because as

770
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 5: you guys got older then then Feenie had more of interplay,

771
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 5: more of an adult interplay with you guys, so Will,

772
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 5: especially with Will, you know, I mean, there was just

773
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 5: a thing there where Will was elevating to a point

774
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: where that became the friendship.

775
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: And their chemistry is just so good. I mean, you

776
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: take these two characters, these two actors, very different energies,

777
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: and you put them together.

778
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 5: It's magic every time exactly. So I think that's that

779
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 5: that was, you know, just just that that that dynamic

780
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 5: between them. This makes me laugh every time I see

781
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 5: them together. I just you know, uh, they just have

782
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 5: this wonderful you know, quid pro quo. It's just the best.

783
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 5: You know.

784
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Well, we may have hit our first snag of season

785
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: four with the singled Out episode. While we were watching,

786
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: we all felt so much for you. This must have

787
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: been a nightmare. What do you remember about hijacking their set?

788
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: There hundreds of extras and maybe even you were we

789
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: using their cameras as well. What do you remember about

790
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: that week?

791
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, our camera guys came in. Okay, we we we did.

792
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: We did use their their their their equipment.

793
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: Do we use their jib?

794
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 4: We did, of course.

795
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 5: Ask Karen McCain, I always wanted a jib on every show.

796
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Every time I go to a set, I'm like, can

797
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: I have a gym? The first thing you ask?

798
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: Yep. But it cut down on a lot of cameras.

799
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 5: Let me tell you the magical magical camera piece of equipment. Uh, anyway,

800
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: I think single that was for me. It was one

801
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 5: of those things that when you get the script and

802
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 5: you read it, you go, Okay, this can go one

803
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: of two ways. This could be really horrible or this

804
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 5: could be fun.

805
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

806
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: I think this show was like in between because uh,

807
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 5: you know, thank god. You know, Jenny McCarthy didn't want

808
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 5: to do the show.

809
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Right, Why didn't she want to do the show? What

810
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: do you remember about it?

811
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:14,959
Speaker 5: Boy wirl?

812
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: Right? It was a kid show.

813
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 5: It was a kids show. She wanted a more adult

814
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 5: She was for her own show, you know, in a

815
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 5: movie career by the way, So she was really opting

816
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: for that, you know, that was her thing. And and

817
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 5: I don't even I don't even I didn't even her

818
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 5: meet her. She was not a run at all. But

819
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 5: Chris was awesome. Yeah, even Chris was kind of like, Okay,

820
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 5: we'll do this, you know, he was, but I think

821
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 5: that's his personality and the meet her way, you know,

822
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: it's kind of like, uh, nothing phased him. He's just

823
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 5: kind of going through it, you know. And and but

824
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 5: he was really pleasant, really great. And then came through

825
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 5: for us, and uh, and he improvised. He even will

826
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 5: improvised a lot of that. By the way, there was

827
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 5: a lot we.

828
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Did talk about whether or not that was improv.

829
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 5: They were and that was wonderful because they kind of like,

830
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: you know that they looked like me. Stuff was written,

831
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 5: but then you guys would riff on some other things,

832
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 5: really really funny.

833
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: I don't remember this day at all at all.

834
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Been very strange.

835
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't remember it. I don't never worked Stones,

836
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 4: It never worked Stone. But yeah, no I don't, I don't.

837
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: I don't. Yeah, I have no, I mean, like at all.

838
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: To the point where there's a photo of myself and

839
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,760
Speaker 3: Chris Hardwick and Jason Marsden.

840
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 4: So I thought Jason was in the episode.

841
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: Oh really, no he was. He was just hanging out. Well,

842
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 5: it was chaos. It was chaos because you know, it

843
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: was more chaos actually than the wrestling show because really yeah,

844
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 5: because they were more moving pieces with their show, you know.

845
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 5: And we had all those girls extras if you were closely.

846
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say this, but we actually re used them,

847
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: some of them.

848
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: We saw that, we saw those girls back.

849
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that to be there Jeff and I

850
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: said it on the podcast. I think what happened because

851
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: it's what happens when you have limited time, you shoot

852
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: all you shoot, Okay, stand full of extras, all right,

853
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: everybody make loud noises now, slower noises now, all those

854
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: reaction shots and.

855
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 4: Then just put them in and then yeah, exactly.

856
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: And then somebody in editing was just like, go back

857
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: to that shot and you either wasn't exactly.

858
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: Marco Zabi was our editor, and I remember going to

859
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 5: edit the show because the director gets his first cuts.

860
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: And by the way, Janelle, I watch your low Pez

861
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 5: versus Low Pez and I just want to say it

862
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: again to you how wonderful they were.

863
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: And I know you sent me such a nice email.

864
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I read it to Jensen immediately. I was like, Jeff

865
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: sent me the.

866
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 5: Nicest, fantastic really, congratulations, thank you so much. Yeah. No,

867
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 5: but but this, you know, this is this is the

868
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 5: type of thing where you go, Okay, first of all,

869
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: I'm using their cameras. I'm trying to figure out how

870
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: to make a how to do the four camera presentation

871
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 5: to get the show, you know, and and to look

872
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 5: like it's still our show. But then also, you know,

873
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 5: inside the game show. So there was like two set

874
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 5: there's like two things to do, and so we had

875
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 5: to shoot it once as a kind of a wide

876
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 5: shot kind of like like the show, and then come

877
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 5: in for the coverage, and so it was, uh, it

878
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: was kind of and so we had to really pick

879
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 5: up and and you know, thank god for Kathy Gario supervisor,

880
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 5: who was on top of every moment, you know, and

881
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 5: where we were, how we needed and uh yeah, I

882
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 5: relied on her a lot of that episode, and so

883
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 5: we we really had. It was kind of just discombinated.

884
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 5: And I have to say it when I walked out

885
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 5: of there, I didn't know what we had. Don't know

886
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 5: those things. I knew we had the coverage, but I

887
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 5: don't know we had the performances. I don't really know

888
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 5: if if this is going to cut together nicely. I

889
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 5: don't know if this is going to be something that

890
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 5: you know that I'm going to be, you know, like you.

891
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 4: But it's also such a different energy from our show.

892
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: We're yelling our lines over the crowd and we don't

893
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: I mean, it was just it was jarring to be

894
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 3: out of our comfort zone in a completely different environment

895
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: where again even the dialogue was kind of shouted, so

896
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: it was it was strange.

897
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: But that's like every other episode this season. I starting

898
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: with the yogurt cup, going through like everything, I mean,

899
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: and you were talking about single out, but you also

900
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: had to build the whole game show for the quiz

901
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: show episode, and that was on our set. But still

902
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: do you have like five brand new actors on the

903
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: set running this show and all these oh my god,

904
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: some moments.

905
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: Some moments. I was like, it's like dance numbers for

906
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: every for everything, there was a dance number basically that

907
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: you had to block and shoot.

908
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 5: That was fun, and I have to say, you know,

909
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 5: you go, okay, we're going to do the same thing

910
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 5: every week, every week every week, you know, the four

911
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 5: cameras and you know, do a thing and we're out.

912
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 5: You know. Giving those kind of challenges for me was

913
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 5: really fun. I I even though, you know, probably pulled

914
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 5: my hair out a few times, but but you know,

915
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you're you. We pulled

916
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 5: it off and it was just great, you know, I mean,

917
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 5: because it was different, it was and I think it

918
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 5: also lend itself to season four in the sense that

919
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 5: we were giving our audience something you know a little

920
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 5: more you know, gravy on the show, you know, yeah,

921
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 5: a little more cherry.

922
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: We upped our game all the way around the writing.

923
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: I feel like the acting and in the direction, like

924
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: we all upped our game.

925
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

926
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: So, speaking of Quiz Show, I I in particular, was

927
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: a huge fan of the episode. I ended up really

928
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: enjoying it. Do you have any particular memories of Phil Leads?

929
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, Phil.

930
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 4: Didn't want to Phil.

931
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 5: He had a litany of jokes. Yeah, dirty jokes. Yeah.

932
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 5: And I don't know if he I asked him at

933
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 5: one point please refrain really. Oh yeah, no, I to

934
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: please because you know it's like Buddy Hackett.

935
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh please, Can we talk about Buddy? I want that.

936
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: I want that.

937
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: Wait do you I have to I have to first

938
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 3: ask do you remember any Phil Leads jokes?

939
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Jokes?

940
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 5: Oh no, I don't know. God, I wish I did.

941
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: But all I know is that he would crack these

942
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 5: jokes and they were, you know, in his delivery was

943
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 5: just the best and very ride roll and and uh

944
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 5: but no, I don't remember. All I remember is being

945
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 5: shocked half the time, like.

946
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: I can't believe he just said that.

947
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 5: Yoke and and I was always like saying, okay, Phil,

948
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 5: you know, Michael loved it. I mean, Michael loved Phil

949
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 5: and and and so I don't know, I don't know

950
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 5: if the joke played, you know, and he's announcing the show.

951
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 1: He's so generate, it's I don't know. Yeah, I don't

952
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: know when you listened to that one, because it's the

953
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: one that just came out, like, okay, it is, and

954
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: we talk about it, the fact that he's the that

955
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: he's the only thing that stays, and but his delivery

956
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: doesn't even change. It's just that you added.

957
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 2: The layer onto that episode of like production in jokes,

958
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 2: like the fact that the production value of the show

959
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 2: keeps upping while the entertainrating are so clever man, and

960
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: it totally works. It's like, yeah, I did not like.

961
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 4: The I was like, okay, yeah.

962
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: He started off being like it was an episode, and

963
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: writer was like I liked it, and I was like,

964
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, guys, I love this episode. And by

965
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: the time we were done, Will's like, it's.

966
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 4: The best episode, the best episode we've ever done.

967
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 5: You know, the geness of it, right, the genesis. You know,

968
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 5: we did the movie Quiz.

969
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 4: Show, we talked about this yeah.

970
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: We thought, okay, let's let's do something on our show

971
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 5: that kind of mirrors that, you know.

972
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: Can we can we go back to Buddy Hackett and

973
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: Super Sales. What do you remember about that week and

974
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: did we have an audience with them or did we

975
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 2: refuse you remember they were no.

976
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 5: We I think we pre taped him. Here is why,

977
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 5: because remember when we was wonderful to pre tap because

978
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 5: you know, we would gave us a break and and

979
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 5: and the audience could see something all the way through

980
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 5: without stopping and starting or and then moving right into

981
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: the next next piece. Uh. It was, it was. It

982
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 5: was always nice to have that pre shooting on Thursdays.

983
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 5: But I I remember, I think soupy, and I think

984
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 5: it was I think it was about dates. I think

985
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 5: Buddy had a date in Vegas or something he had

986
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 5: to get to. We had to get him in out soup.

987
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 5: He was more affable, you know, in terms of or

988
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 5: I should say nollable with the schedule he was. He

989
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 5: was able to. But but I remember Buddy had to

990
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 5: come and go, you know. So I think I think we, yeah, we.

991
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 3: Could any of it been done in front of the audience,

992
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: because I have a very distinct memory that I talk

993
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: about on the podcast of him saying, oh, that was

994
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: a premature ejaculation and the whole audience going oh yeah,

995
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: and it was like.

996
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 5: No, you're right. There was one scene we did so

997
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 5: maybe maybe no I remember that, well.

998
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, may have happened in front of network run through,

999
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: and that it still got the whole stage to react

1000
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: that way, and that was it.

1001
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 5: I remember when he said that. I think that was also, yeah, No,

1002
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 5: I remember that. No, I do. No. We were all

1003
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: nervous about him, but we loved him. I mean, he

1004
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 5: was so much fun to be around, and he was

1005
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 5: just a character.

1006
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: Oh my god, stories never stopped.

1007
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 5: Stories, the stories, the stories, and him and SUPI together

1008
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 5: were just wonderful. I mean, first there was just like

1009
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 5: a contention like who's gonna be funnier? You know, who's

1010
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 5: got the funnier line?

1011
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: We heard there was a competition about how many lines

1012
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: each person.

1013
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: Absolutely, they were like they were like going over it

1014
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 5: like by letter, you know, and so we're like, Okay,

1015
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 5: this is gonna be fun. But as soon as they

1016
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 5: got into the characters, you know, and they could play

1017
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: off each other a little bit, they were they were fine,

1018
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 5: you know, they were fine. But yeah, that that was

1019
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 5: during rehearsals, it was always about I'm gonna be a

1020
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 5: little louder, i wanna be a little funnier, you know,

1021
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 5: there was a little more, you know, it was it

1022
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 5: was definitely funny to watch, you know, but I knew

1023
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 5: by the time the cameras rolled, these guys were pros

1024
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 5: and they and they they were great.

1025
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: You well, also with season four, there's a lot of

1026
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: the Hunter trailer. Around this time, there's this new set,

1027
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: a new dynamic, and we think if somebody had just

1028
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: started watching the show around there this time, there's no

1029
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: way you could convince them that the boy in Boy

1030
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: Meets World was anyone other than writer and writer and Will.

1031
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: The episodes just seemed to keep flipping between which one

1032
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: of them was driving the episodes. So was with all

1033
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: of that going on, was there ever any talk about

1034
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: the shift in focus or was it just organic?

1035
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 5: I remember there was there was a with a studio

1036
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 5: and the network. You know, it was very funny. You know,

1037
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 5: we never really had a bible for the season. We

1038
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 5: never you know, we all we didn't say, oh, this

1039
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 5: is what's going to happen overall in the season that

1040
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 5: never really took pay. Michael would and when the studios

1041
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 5: that we want this, the networks that we want this,

1042
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 5: Michael would say yeah. He would glad hand them and say,

1043
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 5: of course yes. He would immediately tell him what He

1044
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: would immediately turn what they said to him into what

1045
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 5: he wanted. He was masterful at that. And then they

1046
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 5: were they would not because he's telling him that he

1047
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 5: was convincing him that he was taking their note, but

1048
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 5: he was going to do it his way, so and

1049
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 5: they understood that too. But but but the bottom line

1050
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 5: was I think that Michael always had a keen sense

1051
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 5: of the stories he wanted to tell, the areas he

1052
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 5: wanted to explore. And I think Fishing for Verna, just

1053
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 5: to give you a quick that was the most And

1054
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 5: when you say one of the hardest shows I had

1055
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 5: to direct, I would say Sixteen Candles was the tough

1056
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 5: production wise, but Fishing and Verna was the most personally

1057
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 5: difficult to direct. And there's why my dad abandoned me

1058
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: when I was eleven years old, the oldest of four kids,

1059
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 5: and he abandoned my mom and us, and we had

1060
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 5: no money and we had to go live in the

1061
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 5: ghetto of Chicago, and and figure out how to survive.

1062
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 5: So mm hmm, when when Verna, when that that storyline

1063
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 5: came up with my Explorer, it was kind of feeding

1064
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 5: off story and and and then my dad never came back.

1065
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 5: I didn't see him. He took off. And and so

1066
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 5: the fact that she came back was kind of great

1067
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 5: because it kind of gave me a chance to live

1068
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 5: vicariously as if. Oh my god, it was very intense. Writer.

1069
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 5: So when you were doing that episode, I watched you

1070
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: very carefully. You were you know, you you really hit

1071
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 5: all the notes beautifully, really beautifully. And I and I

1072
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 5: there's very little I could tell you instinctively coming from

1073
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: a healthy, well adjusted family and being the great young

1074
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 5: man you were, Uh, you understood it. You you you

1075
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 5: had a sense about it. You know, you could identify

1076
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 5: with with being abandoned. I don't know if your personal

1077
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 5: life was at that point with girls or whatnot, but

1078
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 5: you totally hooked into what it was to be abandoned.

1079
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. His empathy has always been through the roof.

1080
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, always, And so that was wonderful. You gave me

1081
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 5: a great release in that episode to be able to

1082
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 5: direct you in that show and watch you navigate that

1083
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 5: emotional arc and taking care of your dad.

1084
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 2: That's funny because I actually didn't remember the specific your

1085
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: own personal history, but I always felt that Sean and

1086
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: Jeff McCracken were kind of of a piece of it,

1087
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 2: like and I remember thinking that, Like I remember talking

1088
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: to you about avoiding people and avoiding confrontation, and you

1089
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: were We just had great conversations about, you know, acting conversations,

1090
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: and I feel like for me, and this makes sense

1091
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: now because in my mind it was like, well, Jeff

1092
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: was Jeff is the touchstone for how Sean was as

1093
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 2: a team. I always in my mind you were Sewn

1094
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: as a teenager. That's how I remember it. And it

1095
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: was like Matt Nelson was writing the voice of Sean

1096
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: in the like sort of sentimentality, but like you were

1097
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: the Shawn who like, yeah, I was good with the ladies,

1098
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: but it was like totally emotionally avoidant. Like that's that's

1099
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: in my mind. So yeah, you communicated that to me

1100
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 2: and we we built that together.

1101
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,439
Speaker 6: It's so fun Oh wow.

1102
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's that was the thing. And the in

1103
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: fact that you took care of your dad like that

1104
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 5: and became closer to him by virtue of that wanting

1105
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: to be a better dad all of that. I was like, whoa,

1106
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 5: this is like entering areas that i've you know, got

1107
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: I got a chance to heal a little bit, you know.

1108
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 5: But it's but it's it was, it was. It was

1109
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 5: monumental for me that show is difficult. But then I'll

1110
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 5: probably personally very rewarding, you know.

1111
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: But that's I mean, that's one of the reasons why

1112
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: I think season four was so good is that we

1113
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: always felt your emotional connection to the show and to us. Yeah,

1114
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 3: and so I think that just translated to a set

1115
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 3: that we were all family and part of a team,

1116
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: and it was just yeah, we were all there together,

1117
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: and we.

1118
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 4: Took seriously yes.

1119
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: And it never like just stand over there, why because

1120
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: you should, which is what directors do. Like you have

1121
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: directors that say that, we have many of them on

1122
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: this show.

1123
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 5: You know.

1124
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: It's just like you got to stand over here, then

1125
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 2: you go over here, it's for camera, do it. You

1126
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 2: never never gave us that. It was always like, why

1127
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: don't you want to do it, let's talk about it,

1128
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: let's take the time.

1129
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 4: We were all in it together.

1130
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 3: We just always felt like we were all in it together,

1131
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 3: like you were part of the ensemble, and it was

1132
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: it just made everything. I mean we've literally pointed out

1133
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: on the show, especially with me, where there are times

1134
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: where my performance is not as good and Writer will

1135
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 3: be like, well did you see who directed it?

1136
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 4: And it's somebody else directed it.

1137
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: Like there was just something that was You made it

1138
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: very comfortable to where you got the best performances.

1139
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 4: I mean, just you could tell and season four.

1140
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a mistake that so far season

1141
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 3: four and from what we've heard, season four is the

1142
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: pinnacle of the show, and that you directed the entire season.

1143
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 3: Either that's not, that's not by those two things are

1144
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 3: the same.

1145
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 4: So it was. I mean we felt that the whole time.

1146
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: So it was amazing.

1147
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Well, there are two more episodes I specifically want to highlight.

1148
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: One of them is Chick Like Me. It's just such

1149
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: an iconic episode of our show, and to everyone's credit,

1150
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: did not make us feel cringey, even with our twenty

1151
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: twenty four eyes. So kudos to everybody. What are your

1152
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: memories of Writer and Ben dressing as their female counterparts?

1153
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 5: Well, I just never had so much fun on that show.

1154
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 5: That was one of those great, great fun shows that

1155
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 5: were you could do no wrong, just put those guys

1156
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 5: in dresses and oh my god, just gallelight. You know,

1157
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 5: you know a lot of the homage that Michael would do.

1158
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 5: You know, he has a lot of favorite shows, you know,

1159
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 5: like A Hot the Odd, Unculpable. I mean you can

1160
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 5: see his influences and imbued into these shows and their

1161
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 5: relationships with different episodes and A New Leaf, all these

1162
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 5: there's all these moments said he just adores and films

1163
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 5: that he brought to the table A New Leaf.

1164
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 6: I just watched that recently. Movies, what are a masterpiece?

1165
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: A masterpiece?

1166
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 2: Blaine May totally missed masterpiece? Yeah, all of her about

1167
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: all of Elaine May stuff is missed. Ishtar just go

1168
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 2: watch your start. It's brilliant, I know.

1169
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 5: Isn't it.

1170
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 4: Though it's brilliant.

1171
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,919
Speaker 2: It's for you. Will you have to watch A New Leaf.

1172
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,439
Speaker 2: The first like forty five minutes of A New Leaf.

1173
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 2: I was crying, laughing. I have not laughed that hard.

1174
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: A genius.

1175
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 4: Elaine May is a genius.

1176
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible, justas the horse down and walking.

1177
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I gotta watch it.

1178
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so funny. You love it anyway,

1179
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 5: but we're talking about we don't know, like so no

1180
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 5: the dresses when when I never knew I mean when

1181
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 5: you guys would look like in dresses and stuff. They

1182
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 5: did a phenomenal job with the both of you, you know,

1183
01:01:55,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: and Ben was so funny because he has the thing

1184
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 5: about him there's a certain there's a certain uh uh

1185
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 5: Quirky has with his head that he can he does

1186
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 5: his head and it was so perfect for the chick, you.

1187
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: Know, Cora when he was was so great and then

1188
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 1: he looks.

1189
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 5: In the mess, it's just perfect. So then so then

1190
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 5: when he when winner says oh no, no, no no,

1191
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 5: and then you peek out from around the corner. My god,

1192
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 5: it was went absolutely crazy and I have to remember,

1193
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 5: you know, guys were like going, hey man looking it

1194
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 5: was really yeah, but so I it was a good ramp,

1195
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 5: and yeah it was. It was really great. Though is

1196
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 5: the fact that the underlying dynamic was just so so well.

1197
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: The message is so impactful.

1198
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is.

1199
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 5: Written it still works, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's

1200
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 5: an interesting thing that you just brought up. Will still works.

1201
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 5: What do you think I mean this show's got legs

1202
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 5: because you think the shows are still resonate with young adults,

1203
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 5: and that the core values of the show. I mean,

1204
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 5: you think there's still relevant given today's attitudes and mora's

1205
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 5: and morals.

1206
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean so far, I would say yes, overall,

1207
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: I think they are. And I also think, frankly a

1208
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: type of show like this that speaks to a certain

1209
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 3: type of morality without shoving it down your throat. I

1210
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 3: think a lot of people are missing that. I think

1211
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: one of the things we keep hearing is there are

1212
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: no shows like Boy Mets World anymore? Where are the

1213
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: shows like this? Why can't we get a show like

1214
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 3: this anymore? So, yes, I think it's another reason generation

1215
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 3: after generation are finding the show, not only because the

1216
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: it's still relevant to this day, that it tackled subjects

1217
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 3: like this without being cringey. I know that we have

1218
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 3: episodes downline, like when I put on the dress, it's

1219
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: going to be very cringey because it's just for a joke.

1220
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's it's not played at all to learn anything.

1221
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 3: Eric doesn't learn anything. It's just being ridiculous. That stuff's

1222
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 3: going to be cringey. This stuff like Chick Like Me

1223
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: was you could watch, We watch it and we were

1224
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: all like, ugh, I wonder what this is going to be,

1225
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 3: like we haven't seen it in a while, and we

1226
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 3: all saw it.

1227
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 4: We're like, no, this totally works up still, so absolutely.

1228
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah. That's the thing about most Almost every episode has

1229
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 5: a laugh out loud moment that I just absolutely ented.

1230
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, well, glad you said it. Yeah, because one

1231
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: episode that doesn't really have a whole bunch of laugh

1232
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: out loud moments is cult fiction.

1233
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 5: I was laughing, but not.

1234
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: This episode was wild. We've got Sean dealing with what

1235
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: we have to assume is a version of scientology, and

1236
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 1: then Turner is thrown into a coma and Alan says

1237
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: he's going to kill Jerry Levine at one point kill

1238
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: it has for sure. It has the least amount of

1239
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 1: laughs in a Boy Meets World episode up until this point.

1240
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: Good point, good point. You know. One of the things

1241
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 5: I don't like bring up the musical stings. I hate them.

1242
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 5: I think they're soap opery and they were not needed.

1243
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 5: They should you know, Ray brilliant, Yes, he overdid it,

1244
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 5: you know, and and and Michael didn't say no, so

1245
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 5: I I just maybe the network was saying we need more.

1246
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I never heard that. I just

1247
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 5: know that that was raised proclivity and and uh to

1248
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 5: to over music. It sometimes tamp it down, Ray, tamp

1249
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 5: it down. You know, this is not about you, but uh,

1250
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 5: but those stings, I hate it, you know, I just

1251
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 5: did not like them. It was telegraphing the sentimentality, and

1252
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 5: I didn't like it at all. I thought, you've done

1253
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 5: the work. You don't need to, you know, sak over

1254
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 5: the head. Leave it alone. But that was that's my

1255
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 5: own really pet peeve on the show. Anyway, back to

1256
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 5: Cold Fiction, I thought Jerry Levine, Let mean, he's a

1257
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 5: buddy of Michael's in mind more Michael. He grew up

1258
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 5: with Michael in New Jersey, and uh, I met Jerry

1259
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 5: through Michael in New York and his wife Nina Tassler,

1260
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 5: who was ahead of CBS at one point, and they're

1261
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 5: just they were great people. We hung out in New

1262
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 5: York all the time together. So when Jerry was going

1263
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 5: to do this episode, I didn't know if he could

1264
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 5: do it. You know, I don't know what his take

1265
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 5: was going to be on it, and I thought he

1266
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 5: was not perfect because he balanced this this dynamic of

1267
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 5: being charming sleazy, but also you really seem to It's

1268
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 5: a very genuine at times because the kind of disarming

1269
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 5: thing about him and why I believe that that that

1270
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 5: Sean could like give him and that's why, you know,

1271
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 5: and I thought, and also real quickly, everything we gave you, guys,

1272
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 5: drama or comedy, we would we would throw the we

1273
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,959
Speaker 5: would throw the curveball, the slider, we we we threw

1274
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 5: so much at you. You always delivered. You always found

1275
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 5: a way into it. And uh, without you know, over

1276
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 5: sentimentality or without being over dramatic, or without being too

1277
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 5: clownish or too crazy. There was a nice medium for

1278
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 5: the most part. And there's a couple of times I

1279
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 5: see things I go, well, that was a Michael oof,

1280
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 5: you know, and it seemed a little bit unnatural sometimes

1281
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 5: where this or that, but it was still funny, it

1282
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 5: was still great. But I always was amazed at how

1283
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 5: you guys always took what we gave you and and

1284
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 5: and rose to the occasion and cult fiction, you know.

1285
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 5: With the writer most it was probably the most difficult transition,

1286
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 5: I think, almost ane show of the season, because he

1287
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 5: had to go from this kid who's kind of like

1288
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 5: a little lost but still he's he's a rebel, he's

1289
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 5: this guy, is self possessed, he's cocky, he's this, he's that,

1290
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, he goes into this zone

1291
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 5: of of insecurity and low self esteem and no self

1292
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 5: worth and and then all of a sudd he's he's

1293
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 5: scubbled up by this this girl and brought to this

1294
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 5: this cult center, and he kind of finds a home.

1295
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: No, no, I mean he's he's in the cult for

1296
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 3: an hour and he's in hook Line.

1297
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. But he has to take that journey in

1298
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: what we believe is an hour exactly.

1299
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 5: And what was wonderful about it because I knew that

1300
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 5: was always going to be the biggest challenge for him

1301
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 5: as an actor to try and figure out how to

1302
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 5: slide into that in a way that gave him the

1303
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 5: ability to be believable. And I thought he did it

1304
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 5: great because what you what you you see in him

1305
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 5: is in the beginning, he's very you know, he's distrustful,

1306
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 5: he's kind of like, you know, we still see the Sean,

1307
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 5: the Sean. All of a sudden, this girl has some

1308
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 5: sort of like magical spell on him, and once he

1309
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 5: gets the center, it's kind of like everyone's doing his

1310
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 5: name and he's looking around and he has this kind

1311
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 5: of beautific switch in his in his face that kind

1312
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 5: of goes, wow, they actually see me. They actually they're

1313
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 5: actually seeing me and in witnessing me. And that was

1314
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 5: to me, that was the moment that I went, Okay,

1315
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,679
Speaker 5: this is how it happens. This is how it happened. Right.

1316
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 5: I thought I did it great?

1317
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,680
Speaker 1: Just so did I. I thought I thought he was

1318
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: with what he had to work with for as dramatic

1319
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: as it was supposed to be. I thought he did

1320
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: a great job.

1321
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 5: I agree. And then the Turner, when Turner gets hurt.

1322
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 5: I remember the day, we remember the day we shot

1323
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 5: this writer, when you had to go there.

1324
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean I remember the table read more than the day.

1325
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 5: Why well, I was just saying you, you know, you

1326
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 5: have such integrity as an actor, and and and when

1327
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 5: it wasn't feel truthful to you, or there was something

1328
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 5: that wasn't you know, you really had to believe in

1329
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 5: it in order to do it lots of times, and

1330
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 5: sometimes that you didn't have a chance to even process

1331
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 5: it because we were throwing things at you so fast,

1332
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 5: sometimes adjustments or this or that.

1333
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 4: But in this.

1334
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 5: Particular, and you had all week to kind of you know,

1335
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: you knew you were going to do this speech to him,

1336
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 5: and we knew we didn't want it to be you know,

1337
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 5: overly dramatic and whatnot, and and and we wanted you

1338
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 5: to have the freedom to do it the way you

1339
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 5: wanted to do it. Really, I don't think we ever

1340
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 5: gave you really a note ever how to do it. Uh.

1341
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 5: You in the runthroughs, you were kind of very you know,

1342
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 5: quiet about it, and you were very you know, you

1343
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 5: understood the material and you you were very you were

1344
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 5: on point. And I knew, okay, you know, when we

1345
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 5: when we shoot this thing, I know he's gonna I

1346
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 5: know he's gonna touch into more stuff. And you did.

1347
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 5: It was really beautiful because what you did was you

1348
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 5: you got the thing of oh god, damn man, you

1349
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 5: know I'm not going to have you anymore, you know it.

1350
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 5: It was really hutching to me. You really did a

1351
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 5: great job.

1352
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 1: Really, yes, he did.

1353
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 6: Oh thanks Jeff Man.

1354
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 5: You really did. And I think we only did two takes,

1355
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 5: you know, you did it two takes of that and

1356
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:06,240
Speaker 5: the first take is what we used.

1357
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was great, Oh man, really well done.

1358
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: Well, Jeff, after doing all twenty two episodes in season four,

1359
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: you only come back to direct us for three in

1360
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: season five. So in season true you have and then

1361
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: there was Sean and then a few other ones, and

1362
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: then you do season seven in season six and four

1363
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: in season seven and Lynn does two in that final

1364
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: season as well. Why where were you for most of

1365
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: season five? Where had you gone?

1366
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: Well, this is all right, Sherman and I went over.

1367
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 5: David Training directed this part oft called You Wish Jeanie

1368
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 5: John Nails and Harley Jane Kozak was the mom I

1369
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 5: dream of Genie, you know, contemporized with two kids, and

1370
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 5: and David trying to directed the pilot and it was

1371
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 5: it was okay, you know, it wasn't great. It was

1372
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 5: my favorite. And Michael said, I need you to go

1373
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 5: on the show. It's it's it's it's it needs.

1374
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: To keep the ship afloat. Please.

1375
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

1376
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 5: It was the worst experience I think I've ever had.

1377
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 5: Oh it was. You know, when you deal with a genie,

1378
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 5: it gives a license to the writers to write anything

1379
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 5: they want because you can just go, you know, wiggle

1380
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 5: his nose or you know where it was.

1381
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 2: And in fact, they kind of have to write to

1382
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: deliver on the premise, you have to have big set pieces,

1383
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: and and.

1384
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,759
Speaker 5: They had a dollhouse. They actually built a doll house

1385
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 5: for the gene to live in a life side. I mean,

1386
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 5: I mean that's right. I remember going to that set

1387
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,959
Speaker 5: and he was in this dowhouse, you know, pink dowhouse,

1388
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 5: and this where he lived as the Genie, And I said,

1389
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 5: why can't he just live in a bottle? You know?

1390
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 5: Terway and so anyway, but this they all thought was

1391
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 5: cute and funny, and so I had to I had

1392
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 5: to create a new way of shooting a show. I

1393
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 5: mean I did that on Dinosaurs with two cameras, and

1394
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 5: then I had to do create a new way to

1395
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 5: shoot the show on a new wish and we shot

1396
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,640
Speaker 5: it like a film show for the most part. And

1397
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 5: we had Jerry Vandyk who was hysterical. We had Jessica

1398
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 5: Walter who was hysterical. I mean, these were great actors,

1399
01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 5: but the writing was I don't I don't even remember

1400
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 5: who's on the staff. They said from Sherman and I

1401
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 5: commiserating with each other. That was just they were just bad.

1402
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,560
Speaker 5: And we did thirteen shows, or I did twelve and

1403
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 5: we're out. They didn't renew us. Thank god. It nearly

1404
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 5: killed me that that show nearly killed me too. I

1405
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: mean that with Dinosaurs nearly killed me because of the

1406
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 5: demands of the production. So where was I. I was

1407
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 5: over there, you know, dying after I came back and

1408
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 5: then did because Allen Myerson was on he directed most

1409
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 5: of the episodes.

1410
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: And yeah, he came back for he came in for

1411
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: fifth season and took over for the whole season.

1412
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 5: Yea anybody else And so Michael said, let's let's get

1413
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 5: this guy and here, he's a proven director, let's get

1414
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 5: him in here. So so then I, you know, I did, Uh.

1415
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 5: I came back after you wish was over, after I

1416
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 5: recovered and directed some some more boys, and then I

1417
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 5: was developing another feature film, and I was also I

1418
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 5: had we were you know, on other shows, and I

1419
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,599
Speaker 5: came up with a pilot that then and Sue Page

1420
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 5: wrote called Zoe Bean and I was shepherding that and

1421
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 5: I shot the pilot of that and we were picked

1422
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 5: up for that.

1423
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 4: That became Zoe Duncan, Jack and Jane right exactly exactly.

1424
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: I was on that.

1425
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, you were, yeah, and and so yeah, it was

1426
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 5: like that thing of you know, I was just off

1427
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 5: doing other things with the company, you know, and and

1428
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 5: so and then also we wanted to give Steve Hayfer

1429
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 5: and my sister and and uh and every Kevin Tracy.

1430
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, yeah, we would get we wanted to give

1431
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 5: them a chance to direct. So you know, there was

1432
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 5: a revolving. It became more of a revolving to Rusty

1433
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 5: was directing. I mean it was it was great. You know,

1434
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 5: everyone got to come in leving directed four.

1435
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, did we know at the end of

1436
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 1: season four that we were picked up for season five?

1437
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay we did.

1438
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, oh no, no, we were. We were a

1439
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 5: bona fide hit that point. I mean we were like

1440
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 5: we were, Yeah, we were. We were t g I

1441
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 5: F strong, you know. And then we put You Wish

1442
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 5: and everybody kept trying to tag a new show onto

1443
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: this evening and and and it.

1444
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 6: Just you know, teen Angel.

1445
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: It was it was magical stuff because because it was

1446
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: so that's why You Wish was created. It was like,

1447
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: let's try and yeah, all the other t j F

1448
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: shows had some magical character element, yeah, and.

1449
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 5: We had them. Was a was a great show as well.

1450
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 5: We had and that was with Connie ray And and

1451
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 5: that was fun.

1452
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1453
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 5: I got to act on that show as well as

1454
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 5: as a Preacher. It was fun.

1455
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: But hey, Jeff, do you remember I have this memory

1456
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: that you were the one who helped Will pitch his

1457
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: movie idea for Winnie the Pooh to Disney? Am I

1458
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 2: remembering that correctly?

1459
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 3: No?

1460
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,440
Speaker 5: I didn't do that. Oh you didn't, Okay, I didn't.

1461
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 2: And you don't remember who it was Will that.

1462
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 5: I thought.

1463
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: It was like during rehearsal, Will pitched this idea and

1464
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: you were like.

1465
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 5: You need to I remember that. Yeah, but I didn't.

1466
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 5: I didn't go into the room with the picture.

1467
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: No, No, I got him on the phone.

1468
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 4: You got him the meeting on the phone with somebody.

1469
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

1470
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 2: You were like at lunch like, no, no, you have

1471
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: to take this seriously, and you got somebody on the phone,

1472
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: and then Will got the pitch meeting and then remember that.

1473
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 5: I thought with him to pitch it. No, No, I

1474
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 5: remember that. Yeah I did.

1475
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, you were producing what was the movie?

1476
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 3: You were you were when you were going through you

1477
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 3: said you were you were creating it in their Films show.

1478
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 5: They gave me a deal there was a Paul up

1479
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 5: politics involved with show and post Quiz showed Jeffkatsburg owed

1480
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 5: me a film because I did him a favor on

1481
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 5: that film, and by you know, my credit, I was

1482
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 5: an actual producer on that and because I developed it

1483
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 5: and got the rights to it and everything else. And

1484
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 5: then Redford decided there were too many producers and asked

1485
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 5: me to take a co producer credit with with Dick

1486
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 5: Goodwin and with uh somebody else. Oh yeah, Gail Metrix.

1487
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 5: So we became co producers and I was the original producer,

1488
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 5: and then Michael Michael and I, you know. And then

1489
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 5: so when Redford said, you know there's too many producers,

1490
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 5: will Jeff take a co producer credit? When I went

1491
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 5: into you know, Katterbury said would you do this for me?

1492
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 5: I said, well, why should I do this? If I

1493
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 5: wins the Academy Award, I get an Academy Award, you

1494
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 5: know which I think it will. And he said, well,

1495
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 5: I know, I know you're the reason this is happening.

1496
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 5: You're the reason the movies here. You know, we owe you.

1497
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 5: I said, well, what do you owe me? He goes,

1498
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 5: well'll give you another film. I go, wait, another film? Anyway,

1499
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 5: if I come up with a good idea, he goes,

1500
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 5: but I will guarantee you to make it with you.

1501
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 5: So we we went ahead and I the next day

1502
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 5: he had he left Disney to go form DreamWorks. And yeah,

1503
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 5: so I got screwed. But anyway, but so they Anyway,

1504
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 5: I was developing this other film and it was a

1505
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 5: very It was a great film idea based on a

1506
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 5: true story of a black basketball player from the inner

1507
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 5: city of New York. It's true story that goes to

1508
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 5: live with the family in New Mexico and turns his

1509
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 5: life for him from being a you know, drug guy

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01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 5: in the bad urban area to this white bread society

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Speaker 5: in New Mexico and becomes an all star basketball player

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01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 5: and college basketball player. And it's not kind of like Blindside, okay.

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Speaker 5: And it was written by Takachi Buford. I'd hired him

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Speaker 5: to write it, and it was it was really funny.

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Speaker 5: As I outlined, we had a whole outline of the film.

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01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 5: Michael loved it. We were ready to go because it's

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01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,080
Speaker 5: based on a true story. You better than the truth.

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 5: So I hired takaishufor who wrote set it off. You

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01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 5: ever see that film, it's of course Okay, So he uh,

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01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 5: you know, was gangster, kind of black youngster, you know,

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01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 5: film and stuff. But I thought it'd be a great

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Speaker 5: sensibility to balance both the street kid as well as

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01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 5: this this white bread society, you know, fish out of water.

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Speaker 5: And so, uh, I got his first draft. You know,

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01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 5: we went to meet New Mexico, we met the family,

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01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 5: we met you know, everybody was wonderful. And then he

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01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 5: turns in the first draft and he's got the gang

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01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 5: coming from New York to New Mexico.

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Speaker 2: Well entourage style, I would.

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Speaker 5: He didn't want to write the white stuff. He didn't

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,680
Speaker 5: have no carite white Middle America. And he brought his

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01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 5: gangsters into into New Mexico and it became a gangster film,

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01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 5: and I just, dude, you know, so that it died

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01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 5: at that.

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Speaker 1: Well, wrapping up season four, looking back talking about all

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01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: of these iconic moments and episodes, do you agree with

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: us that season four is just the best. It's the best.

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01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it it delivers on all all cylinders, it

1539
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 5: really does.

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01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: And that thanks to you, guys, and no, it's so

1541
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: much thanks to you.

1542
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 5: And you know, everybody know, everybody did.

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01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: Everybody pulled their weight. But man, we just we wanted

1544
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: to give you your flowers for this season, especially because

1545
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: you're right that certainly seasons one through three really laid

1546
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: the groundwork so that by the time we get to

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01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: season four we know and love these characters so well.

1548
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: There's a shorthand, and we could get away with so much.

1549
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: But the things we were able to accomplish in short

1550
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: amount of time, in a short amount of episodes, just

1551
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: it truly is remarkable, and it's it ought for us especially.

1552
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: It is it stems right back to you, So thank

1553
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 1: you so much as always for all of your time

1554
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 1: and effort with us, not only today, but for all

1555
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: of the years ago in the nineties and all the

1556
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: time since then. You've still been such a mainstay in

1557
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: our lives and we love you so much, and every

1558
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: time we get to spend with you, we just end

1559
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: up raving about it for weeks and months afterward, and

1560
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: we can't wait for the next time. So let's not

1561
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: let it be too long again before we see you

1562
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: face to face another hug in person. And also, we'd

1563
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 1: love to have you back for the episodes that you

1564
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: direct in season five, so we'll be talking to you

1565
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: again soon.

1566
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 5: He you guys, I love you so much.

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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 4: We love you, Thanks Jeff, thank you. Bye.

1568
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: What a guy? What a season? What a show? Just

1569
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:48,839
Speaker 1: films fills me with all the warm fuzzies.

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01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, it really does.

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01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 3: It's I had a horrible realization last night as season

1572
01:21:56,680 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 3: four came to an end that someday this is gonna end. Yeah,

1573
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 3: and we're going to have to say goodbye to two

1574
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 3: shows together. And I don't think that hit me until

1575
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: last night, and then I realized that you guys are

1576
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 3: on Grom's World. You've done it three times, so it's like, damn, yeah, well.

1577
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 6: The three of us will always be able to get

1578
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 6: together well.

1579
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 1: Of course, and of course never say goodbye.

1580
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 4: We'll do other stuff. But it's like the show will end,

1581
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 4: and it's we're gonna have to end again.

1582
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1583
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 4: I don't like it.

1584
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't be Our love keeps the show alive, will it?

1585
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 5: It does?

1586
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 4: And streaming in the streaming streaming with no residual, with.

1587
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 3: Very little residual. I got one the other day for

1588
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 3: nine cents. I'm thinking, can kuon?

1589
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 2: But I don't know where I'm gonna go.

1590
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening to this episode of Pod

1591
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 1: Meets World as always. You can follow us on Instagram

1592
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:53,679
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1593
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,759
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1594
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:57,360
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1595
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 4: It's all downhill from here, Merch.

1596
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,480
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be the downer you're on this podcast.

1597
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 3: I hope Season five is better than we think. See now,

1598
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 3: I've heard so many times that we have just hit

1599
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: our peak that I'm hoping that we're like, actually, this

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01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: is not bad.

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01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:18,560
Speaker 4: That's what.

1602
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: There will always be moments. I think this is always

1603
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: going to be great moments. I think so too.

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01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 3: I think so too.

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