WEBVTT - #440 - Swerve Strickland

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on everybody? It's the ae W. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>Elite Wrestling World Heavyweight Champion Swarve Strickland right here on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bootleg keV podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yo Man, Bootleg CAV Podcast Special guests in here. The

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<v Speaker 2>AW World Heavyweight Champion Swarve Strickland is here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>You I got to talk to this guy at Rolling

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<v Speaker 2>Loud and since then he has picked up this amazing

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<v Speaker 2>piece of.

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<v Speaker 1>Hardware, amazing hard work hardware.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I gotta ask you, man, Like it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of crazy because I had seen you're kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>somebody on Twitter had posted I guess, like a Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>version of like your come up in the last like

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<v Speaker 2>three or four years, Like you had kind of went

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<v Speaker 2>from like being kind of like underutilized and underappreciated in

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<v Speaker 2>a different company to come into AW and you've been

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<v Speaker 2>making noise for you know, over a year now, And

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<v Speaker 2>like what's it feel like when you finally are able

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<v Speaker 2>to put this on and like hold that thing up?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, man, it's literally like I'm probably the only one

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<v Speaker 1>from like that two or five Live era to go

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<v Speaker 1>into world heavyweight title status. So crazy, just like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so like and if you look at that roster that

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<v Speaker 1>that that crop and talent. I don't think people would

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<v Speaker 1>have like really saw me as that at the time

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<v Speaker 1>there was there has been like I probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>been the last choice or one of the last few

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<v Speaker 1>choices of like one of the guys that could have

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<v Speaker 1>been like the headliner made a Ventor World Champion type

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<v Speaker 1>material in that era, and like I never would say

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<v Speaker 1>like I was like underutilizer and I just didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>enough time there. Like you see a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>who are main eventing over there now they had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time. It's been a long time to marinate,

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<v Speaker 1>get the character, but also like build equity with the company,

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<v Speaker 1>build time with them, they build like they grow. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's like Drew McIntyre is a prime example of that

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's like the primest example. Yeah it was there,

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<v Speaker 1>but then got let go up and came back and

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<v Speaker 1>then like Okay, now he has a lot more time

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<v Speaker 1>and tenure, so now he can like grow with the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>grow with the roster, with the staff, with the marketing

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<v Speaker 1>team departments also made me like him, and I was yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>shout out Drew. He's a good home as a home,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a homie. But yeah, like it's just like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like with that place, it's just about time and

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<v Speaker 1>equity and putting in like just he's building chemistry and

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<v Speaker 1>trust within that organization. And I just didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time there, and then they didn't allow me

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time. If I would have, who knows

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<v Speaker 1>what I would have been doing over there. Still, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Maybe maybe it wouldn't have gotten better. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it would have, but like that's just that's how the

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<v Speaker 1>business works with these things. And I just got I

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<v Speaker 1>took my opportunity and I built time in equity with Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tony trusted me from day one. Tony like literally

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<v Speaker 1>was like day one, I like, I have plans for you,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to put you on to do what

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<v Speaker 1>you do, be you be yourself and go out there

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<v Speaker 1>before him because that's what I'm getting. That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like bringing you in here to do Yeah it's oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well so that's one thing like with Tony is it

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<v Speaker 2>feels like he's like as much as he's a very

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<v Speaker 2>successful guy, very wealthy guy, it feels like when he's running, aw,

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<v Speaker 2>he runs like he's like a fan first which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is a very cool approach to like wrestling, because

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<v Speaker 2>we've always seen like certain people were like, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>wish that guy would get over, that guy would get

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity. And I feel like Tony is the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who's on Twitter like I wish that guy would get

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity, was right, But he's running the company. What

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<v Speaker 2>is like the like what do you think are the

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<v Speaker 2>misconceptions about Tony Kahan? And like what are what are

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<v Speaker 2>some things that like you've already kind of learned just

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<v Speaker 2>being so close to somebody like that who's a powerful guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's a guy that likes good wrestling. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he's like he's literally like as far as

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<v Speaker 1>like what he likes, he's one of the fans and

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to that, he just likes to see

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<v Speaker 1>good wrestling. Uh, And that's what all EAT wrestling's mainly about,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how you went over the fan base is like

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta do it in the ring. Like there's certain

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<v Speaker 1>guys and certain people, certain acts and certain performers. They

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<v Speaker 1>get opportunities to do it another different ways and that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, ultimately it's a wrestling company. It's literally like

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<v Speaker 1>primarily wed they had the best wrestling and to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>to be the top of that card, be the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the company, you gotta perform. And in the time

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<v Speaker 1>when all EAT Wrestlings started, that was kind of deprived

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<v Speaker 1>on national television.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure a while, you know, definitely a dark

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<v Speaker 2>air over at the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Like and but they've always had great talent though for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was just like the product was primarily

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<v Speaker 1>something what they wanted. They wanted to present, something that

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<v Speaker 1>was sports entertainment. That's what they built the bread and

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<v Speaker 1>butter from right, you know, that's what they do and

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<v Speaker 1>like nobody does it better than them. We wanted to build,

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<v Speaker 1>build our narrative, our alternative to what's unique to us

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<v Speaker 1>and what we the fan base was missing at the

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<v Speaker 1>time and what the industry needed. And it was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need an alternative. We need someplace where even people

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<v Speaker 1>that are over there that really wanted to break out

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<v Speaker 1>and just deliver the type of wrestling they wanted to do,

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<v Speaker 1>not the type of wrestling that they want to show,

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<v Speaker 1>the type of wrestling they wanted to do, show their

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<v Speaker 1>art and all the wrestling gave them that. And seeing

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<v Speaker 1>Moxley come over, you know, like feeling showing his rejuvenation

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<v Speaker 1>in the wrestling, rejuvenated Adam Cole, rejuvenated myself, rejuvenated, and

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<v Speaker 1>letting the creators and the artists create in Christian the

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<v Speaker 1>art Christian like showing like another like, man, he can

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<v Speaker 1>run with this thing another five ten years if he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to know just the hell of a heel. He

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<v Speaker 1>always was such a good heel too, right, But also

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<v Speaker 1>aw allowed him to like really push the boundaries on

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<v Speaker 1>the material as well, you know, like there's certain like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's certain stuff that you guys, yeah, yeah, even the

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<v Speaker 1>source material, like you can't say certain things like talking

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<v Speaker 1>about dead fathers and stuff like, there's certain ways you

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<v Speaker 1>can't like really go in a WW with aw Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>Really he gets a kick out of like pushing the

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<v Speaker 1>boundaries a little bit more and on national television, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's where competition always really stem from and

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<v Speaker 1>pro wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna ask you, like when you get over there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know it's so hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, I'm I love watching wrestling.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna I have a surface level understanding what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on aw at all times. But like I told

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<v Speaker 2>you before, the started like, it's it's harder for me

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it because I don't have cable and shit,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love wrestling. I watch I watch every pay

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<v Speaker 2>per view I watch. I go to fucking I try

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<v Speaker 2>to go to at least three or four a year.

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<v Speaker 2>It like, what for like, could you kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>give me an idea of what it's like like you

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<v Speaker 2>get to aw what are the things that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like, Okay, I have to do this, this

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<v Speaker 2>or this to start to make the fans give a

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<v Speaker 2>fuck about me? Because to me, that's the hardest thing

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<v Speaker 2>is like there's so many guys that are really good

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<v Speaker 2>at wrestling, and they can put on great matches, they

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<v Speaker 2>could take great bumps, they can make guys look good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's like the the.

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<v Speaker 2>X factor is like how do you get the people

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<v Speaker 2>to give a fuck about you like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's where this comes into play. That's you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, that like, like you said, you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have time to even figure that out really with WWE,

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<v Speaker 2>So like what were the things that you were able

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of like conscientiously do to kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>make people really give a fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it was always about like what lane isn't

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<v Speaker 1>being taken up for me? That's where I first think

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<v Speaker 1>in smart I look at I observe the landscape of

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<v Speaker 1>like everything. I start with my home base, which was

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<v Speaker 1>ALI Wrestling. I look at the roster, male female managers, groups, factions,

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<v Speaker 1>management managers. I look everywhere. Then I look at the archetypes.

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<v Speaker 1>What archetypes are being taken up. You know the jocks,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the right you know, the artists. Then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>dark characters of the House of Black. Okay, So you

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<v Speaker 1>look at all these types of things, I'm like, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it's like where do I fit in with these things? Where?

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<v Speaker 1>And then also like, what's what's something unique about myself

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<v Speaker 1>that I know that I truly know about myself that

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<v Speaker 1>I can really portray and display to the world in

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<v Speaker 1>my way? Where's my voice? So like, look at this

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<v Speaker 1>like it's als the music industry. Look at all these albums.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, all these albums that you see right here

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<v Speaker 1>tell different stories. They have different archetypes, they tell they

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<v Speaker 1>have different looks, right, just like how does a speaker

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<v Speaker 1>box like stand out to a Ready to Die from Biggie?

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<v Speaker 1>How does a college drop out with Kanye West stand

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<v Speaker 1>toe to toe with the Carter with Wayne, Right, how's

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<v Speaker 1>the chronic with the dog Pound and like all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're just looking at like where can I get in,

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<v Speaker 1>where I fit in? Figure it out. Then of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's aw has to be proven in the ring. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to go out there and wrestle your ass. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to prove it in the ring. You got to

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<v Speaker 1>prove in the ring. Promos are amazing, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>say it's sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty wrestling to promo or promo to wrestling.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrestling to promo sixty percent in the ring forty percent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>another place is like more maybe flip the other way,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, you know for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But now there's been guys that's been ninety ten promo

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<v Speaker 2>to wrestling.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've had long, illustrious careers. Something of them happens. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some people like and there's very few people like that

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<v Speaker 1>can do that. Like even a MJF. He's like heavy promo,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy heavy promo, but at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes out there, he proves it in the ring

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<v Speaker 1>and he wrestles his ass off and he shows out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so I got a hell of a tan

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<v Speaker 1>when he was away by the way, Oh yeah, brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>He came out said, he looks like he came straight

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<v Speaker 1>from King Cool. Yeah, oh yeah, probably was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like all that rest man. But but he was also working.

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<v Speaker 1>His body shows it, you know, he looks great. But

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<v Speaker 1>uh so then you also got to find out once again,

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<v Speaker 1>you start all over again in the ring, where do

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<v Speaker 1>I find? Where do I fit in? Where Lane is

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<v Speaker 1>being taken up the luchadors, they're killing it, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to compete with like a vikingo a Phoenix.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna out to the lutators. Then, just like

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<v Speaker 1>the grappling and the Greco Roman style, like well, Brian

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<v Speaker 1>dance is the best in the world at that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so and you just kind of like narrow it down.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just for me, It's just like something that's

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<v Speaker 1>really I like film. I'm a big fan of like

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<v Speaker 1>film and horror. So I was like, hmmm, horror mixed

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<v Speaker 1>with a hip hop mogul. That's two different genres. But

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<v Speaker 1>if I bleed these together, I can kind of create

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<v Speaker 1>something very unique in something that's never been done, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe like I don't remember that ever, but just

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<v Speaker 1>for that sake. It's just like it's so far fetched,

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<v Speaker 1>and like if you say it out there, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you said a lot was like, that doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you make that happen? It's like, okay, take

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<v Speaker 1>like a Snoop Dogg bones shouts of Bones man, how

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<v Speaker 1>great of an actor? Snoop wasn't true, but it fits.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I'll take like I'm a Wesley Snipe fan. Then

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a New Jack City, a blade, a demolition man.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's all these like little elements. I'm like, these

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<v Speaker 1>are images that I like that almost like you're putting

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<v Speaker 1>your mood board together kind of in a sense. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I never put anything on that, but like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, mentally, you're like, it's just like that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on in my head. I'm just throwing all these

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<v Speaker 1>things out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're also like, you also do hip hop, like

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<v Speaker 2>in real.

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<v Speaker 1>Life, right right right? So I'm like, how do I be?

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<v Speaker 1>Like and I know, like the claim to had like

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<v Speaker 1>the hip hop the rapping thing going on. So I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, how do I do? I'm still hip hop,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want to. I want to be something

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<v Speaker 1>business sense, So I was mogile kind of doing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things as it is, like acting and podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>and music and all the music videos. I direct them

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<v Speaker 1>all my music videos, producing and all that stuff, so

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of a mobile thing. So I just

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<v Speaker 1>came up with mogul to feel like just something bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than just rapping. So that's how that came about. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there was like elements like when after the all

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<v Speaker 1>In matches and going in the coffin and stuff, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm a big fan of Sweeney Todd, so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, let me add a little like darkness

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<v Speaker 1>to the eyes, make me feel a little let me

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<v Speaker 1>go sink a little more deeper into the character and

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<v Speaker 1>darken it up a little bit more to feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, something's different about Swerve than any other person

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<v Speaker 1>on this roster, and he's given me a different tone

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<v Speaker 1>and feel. But I never actually tell you what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I want the fans to kind of like go through

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<v Speaker 1>go each week, but I want them to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and try to find and trace through where this really

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<v Speaker 1>crept in and really started. So now you're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>having fans doing their own like picking apart and find

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<v Speaker 1>it like kind of like like like once again, when

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<v Speaker 1>we used to buy albums, like in the day, we

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<v Speaker 1>used to go through the booklet for sure who yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>who produced, what the art, who's did the art direction,

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<v Speaker 1>who did this?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me look at the thank yous, who got thanked,

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<v Speaker 2>who got who the credit is?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of want that fans to do that

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<v Speaker 1>with me the character, rather than just like look at

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<v Speaker 1>me and see what you're getting, like, oh, we like them,

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<v Speaker 1>but what's more there? There's something more deeper. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>go out and find and search what's deeper with Swerve.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember like the first like real crowd pop

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<v Speaker 2>you got where you were like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's working. Oh. I would honestly say, like when I guarante,

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<v Speaker 1>like I was getting good reactions and and then like

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<v Speaker 1>we were getting like when when it was really a

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<v Speaker 1>pop was New York, it was a Grand Slam we

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<v Speaker 1>had I would I didn't wrestle on Grand Slam, but

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<v Speaker 1>we had the local Embassy Gates of Agony. They wrestled

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<v Speaker 1>the Young Bucks and Hangman Page and Rampage that night.

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<v Speaker 1>So Grand Slam is arthur as Stadium, big, big, big venue.

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<v Speaker 1>We were coming out pretty late on the show on

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<v Speaker 1>Rampage and so the gates and agony and nine, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>go out to do their match. I come out in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, like right before commercial break. I come out

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it to interrupt and pause distraction

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I come out on this big fur

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<v Speaker 1>coat from Daniels leather, shout out Daniel's leather, and the

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<v Speaker 1>music hits because like they had different music than me,

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<v Speaker 1>so they came out their music, so they didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>ninas dance yet. Middle of the match, my music hits.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I stops, looks up the ramp and goes Boom

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<v Speaker 1>starts hitting the dance, and the whole crowd starts doing

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<v Speaker 1>it with like in unison like Boom. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we got it. Now, we got him, Now we got something.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we got him. That's when I knew that was

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<v Speaker 1>like it was unless necessarily the crowd pop, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was the crowd interaction and the wave of just all

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, big venue, you can see it from

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<v Speaker 1>like here all the way up to the top and

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<v Speaker 1>like different parts. Then from that city forward, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just happening in every city and it's like, now I

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<v Speaker 1>hit that thing, tonight, do it? Do it? And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that's where like a w they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like they reward that feeling. It's like, all right, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is working. I'm not going to pull you back

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<v Speaker 1>like it's going go with it, flow, do your thing, yo.

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<v Speaker 2>You Uh we talked a little bit about this when

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<v Speaker 2>I ran into a rolling cloud. But you had this

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<v Speaker 2>match where you were bleeding and the dude was tasting

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<v Speaker 2>your blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of your face. Oh yeah yeah full gear.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, kind of like you kind of said it

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit like you guys knew that was gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Happen, do you? Everyone got tested to make sure you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>every we get and pretty much every pat for.

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<v Speaker 2>People who don't know, there's like you guys are having

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<v Speaker 2>this match and then you're bleeding out of your face

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<v Speaker 2>and then the dude you're wrestling, who was it, Hayman

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<v Speaker 2>Hangman Page starts like pretty much like fountaining, founting, fountaining

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<v Speaker 2>out of your face and drinking your blood. Which it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's the most like hardcore ass shit I've seen. Sin's

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<v Speaker 2>like I was a little kid watching like backyard wrestling

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<v Speaker 2>at easy w but I remember how viral it went,

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<v Speaker 2>But like can you kind of like whose idea was that?

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<v Speaker 2>And like were you hesitant about doing it? Like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of walk me through like the build up to that

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<v Speaker 2>idea actually coming.

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<v Speaker 1>To hesitant on a lot of things. As you can

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<v Speaker 1>go through my history once again, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>look up my history, you see me do some wild

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<v Speaker 1>shit in the wrestling world. It was just like we're

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<v Speaker 1>so deep in the feud. Is like he was so

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<v Speaker 1>enraged that it was almost like a disrespectful thing, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it just be such a shock value. Like that's how

0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.280
<v Speaker 1>crazy I pulled him into my world. If you know

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<v Speaker 1>Hangman Page, he's always been like through the history of

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<v Speaker 1>ALI wrestling, he's been like one of the truest like

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<v Speaker 1>goodie two shoes type guys, Like he had like a

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<v Speaker 1>drinking problem as on camera and stuff. But through all

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<v Speaker 1>and all, he always came out doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He had morals, he there's lines he didn't cross. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like an upstanding citizen and the passion of he

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<v Speaker 1>was the passion in the heart of ALI wrestling. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you pulled him into the darkness. I pulled him

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<v Speaker 1>so far into being into my world because I wanted

0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.960
<v Speaker 1>to get into this spot. He was a former world

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<v Speaker 1>a former world champion. I wanted that spot so bad

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<v Speaker 1>that I was willing to do whatever I had to

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<v Speaker 1>do and manipulate whoever I had to manipulate, which just

0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>happened to be Hangman, because he was kind of like coasting.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like just riding the way of his contract

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff and just yes, boss, I do whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>need to do. And he was complacent, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be complacent, I'm not. I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starving over here, and you're getting out of shape

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<v Speaker 1>eating like you know what. I mean, you've been eating

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<v Speaker 1>for a while. Now. I deserve that spot. And if

0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>you're not going to, if you're just one to like coast,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna move you out of the way and take it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it came true. It came true. And I crossed boundaries,

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<v Speaker 1>like going into his house, like talking to his infant

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<v Speaker 1>child in the crib. That's so fucking crazy, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>recording it?

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<v Speaker 2>Can can Tony Khan work out the streaming deal so

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<v Speaker 2>I could catch up on all this shit?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean those are on YouTube, you can

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<v Speaker 1>always you could check those out as much as you want.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I crossed the boundaries and I pushed things

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<v Speaker 1>to level where he became sold. Yeah, what the fu? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I threw my merch shirt in this crib, so like

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<v Speaker 1>just put wishing the boundaries so much where I violated

0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:06.479
<v Speaker 1>a man's home insecurity as a man. Oh no, that's crazy.

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 1>It's you will be pushed to you crazy, crazy lengths.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where like I'm disrespecting you so much I

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<v Speaker 1>want to take something from you.

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<v Speaker 2>So like you brought him to such a dark place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was like so like it wasn't just like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>blood drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like no, what I'm saying, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you guys, whose idea was that?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to guess it was his.

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<v Speaker 2>So like when you guys take that to Tony does

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<v Speaker 2>Tony like yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's just like what you see or you guys

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<v Speaker 1>just do it on the spot. So Tony con didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>No, wow, imagine you're the owner and like, yo, these

0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.560
<v Speaker 2>fuckers are out here drinking blood.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first five minutes of the match. It was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty It's like, what's our hook to keep them glued

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 1>to watch the rest of this match? I'm like, well,

0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.720
<v Speaker 1>there is not me just getting stapled in the face and.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what would that be like a normal I

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<v Speaker 2>guess being in both companies, is it normal that in

0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.280
<v Speaker 2>rest sing where you guys will have a spot like

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<v Speaker 2>that that's so extreme or crazy that the higher ups

0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:06.200
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't know about it.

0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.560
<v Speaker 1>There's some that can that can backfire sometimes and it

0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:14.800
<v Speaker 1>has in both companies, like you know, like uh like,

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<v Speaker 1>but once again, when you're with somebody that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like trusted with the ball like me I was with

0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the Hang Them Page helped create this damn company, you

0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>could afford to take those little risks like over there,

0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're in the ring with Dwayne Johnson, don't take

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:31.680
<v Speaker 1>the risk. I mean you can, Yeah, you can't. He

0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.159
<v Speaker 1>can afford to say this. He can do it. He

0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.480
<v Speaker 1>can do it. But when you're in there with them,

0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.439
<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, I got it. Like so you kind

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of like you kind of ride the backs of like

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the guys that got the pull. So for me, it

0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 1>was just like I feel like we can push things

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, like like when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring with Darby. Tarby has a lot more tenure

0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and a lot more trust than I did at the time.

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So like with Darby was like I want to push

0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the push this a little bit, and like Darby Derby's

0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:01.959
<v Speaker 1>Darby want to push the boundaries no matter what you know,

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.080
<v Speaker 1>and so you kind of want to like those are

0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to be like I mean, they just it's risky.

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.600
<v Speaker 2>He just set someone on fire with a flamethrower like

0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:11.240
<v Speaker 2>this weekend.

0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like nobody else is going to get that

0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of what the fuck is going on? Yeah, it

0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.479
<v Speaker 1>was like not a lot of people get that kind

0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.480
<v Speaker 1>of thing. But it's like once again, like he has tenure,

0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.560
<v Speaker 1>he has trust, and he's always been a great performer,

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like Hangman Page is always been a great performer. So

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:27.880
<v Speaker 1>they kind of have that, like that trust with the UH,

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 1>with the Tony Khan and with the aw to do

0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, and the fan base welcomes it

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.520
<v Speaker 1>because they had that trust with the fan base as well. Yo,

0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:38.560
<v Speaker 1>what was it like? Uh?

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Give me like like when you were at the old place,

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<v Speaker 2>Like did you have any sort of interaction with Vince

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:46.360
<v Speaker 2>when he was there?

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.439
<v Speaker 2>Like how was Vince? Because obviously the story comes out

0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking crazy, which we all knew, and then Vince

0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:56.280
<v Speaker 2>just got who just dropped named uh and JF just

0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 2>said his name on a w during his promo.

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Once again, I talked about that trust and have a tenure.

0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I feel like if you get that guy hot Mike,

0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:06.360
<v Speaker 2>no one knows what the fuck is gonna have exactly.

0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>But like was like, what was.

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<v Speaker 2>It because I always I feel like like everybody.

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Kind of knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the way he ran the company was very like

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.320
<v Speaker 2>if you're big, if you look a certain way, you're

0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:19.960
<v Speaker 2>going to get the benefit of the doubt, whether or

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 2>not you could wrestle good or not, et cetera. Like

0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:23.919
<v Speaker 2>it was more about image and selling T shirts and

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<v Speaker 2>ship Like, what was your experience around Vince?

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Not a lot? It wasn't a lot, right, No, Like

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I've I've had like one or a couple of conversations

0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:36.600
<v Speaker 1>with them. I went to Titan Towers and spoke with

0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Lauren Ightis and stuff. But and like literally was a

0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:44.200
<v Speaker 1>wild alleged but yeah, like been in offices with them,

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.800
<v Speaker 1>like as the hit Row crew, you know, all together, Vince.

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:49.359
<v Speaker 1>I've only talked to Vince when I was like the

0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 1>hit Row crew. Once again, this was like by the

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.080
<v Speaker 1>time they already let go of BEFAB and it was

0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:57.399
<v Speaker 1>just me shanting dollar and we were just all like

0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>just talking with them, told us how like things are ran.

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.840
<v Speaker 1>It's like a little private conversation how things are ran.

0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:07.880
<v Speaker 1>This is where like we do what we don't do

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.040
<v Speaker 1>things this like this boom boom boom. And like I was, like,

0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I have asked them a couple of questions. I talked

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to them like a regular regular dude. Like like the

0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>thing about like with me is just like I'm not

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:25.800
<v Speaker 1>going to like I understand, I always respect authority. I've

0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.600
<v Speaker 1>came up in the military and I know like my

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 1>chain of command and I understand those type of things

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:33.720
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. But like I'm when it comes to my

0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:36.639
<v Speaker 1>job and my passion and what my something I've been

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 1>doing for like fifteen years and like I'm I'm super

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>confident about that and I exude that and I stand

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:48.040
<v Speaker 1>on my work and I'm always going to stand on

0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:49.720
<v Speaker 1>that no matter who I talk to, whether I'm talking

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to Tony Connavincement, man a Triple H is Sean Michaels,

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter to me. So I talked to him

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 1>straight equal and like if you don't like if I

0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>was never disrespectful to him, but if I'm always gonna

0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:13.320
<v Speaker 1>ask questions to inquire, and I'm also going to if

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.879
<v Speaker 1>i'm if I'm you know, I'm always going to like

0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:21.639
<v Speaker 1>necessarily speak what I feel is like right now, what

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel is like, Okay, this is something I just

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 1>want to I just want to know I can always acquire.

0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody's ever going to question or like

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 1>punish someone for inquiring to how to make their job,

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.080
<v Speaker 1>improve their job and do better. And if that's like

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.920
<v Speaker 1>costly or anything, I'm like, Okay, cool, that's I'm always

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>going to find work. I'm always going to be like,

0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you can never be afraid to lose

0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.160
<v Speaker 1>your job. That's how good you have to be. That's

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 1>how I feel. That's how like you from real. If

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>you're if you're that good man, don't be afraid to

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>lose you You're going to always land on your phone,

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.439
<v Speaker 1>all right? Cool? Like I'm a I'm like, I'm going

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to make I'm going to make you feel like, damn,

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I wish we had him here.

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Has anybody in the brass, the management brass over there now,

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:05.240
<v Speaker 2>because obviously you know Shawn Michaels, by the way, was

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 2>just on TV with Sexy Read last night.

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:10.119
<v Speaker 1>Out sexy read in Sewan because that was Did you

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>see that she was in the VAM Why did you

0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>not that she was amazing? Shout of them.

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 2>But has anybody reached out and just congratulated you since

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>you got the title?

0:25:18.600 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, like the Triple H shoots you a text.

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>People reach it out nice, they show love like still like, I.

0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Never you have so many friends over there.

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I never left it with a bad rapport. Like

0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>even like you know, like I'll still Sean Michaels and

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.520
<v Speaker 1>me still say like Happy Father's Day, Happy Birthday and

0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that.

0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cool to have that sewn. Michaels is a

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 2>He's probably my number two favorite wrestler of all time.

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>He's definitely one of my favorites. Like I'll still like

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>send an emoji in an IG story to Paul Hayman

0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and it will respond back. He's like, you know, what'd

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>you think?

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, obviously you're an aw guy, but did

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 2>you did you? I was at I was at the

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame when he did his speech.

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get to see it all I saw like

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 1>once again, Twitter, nah Man.

0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I watched the whole thing unedited live and I was

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:11.360
<v Speaker 2>just like, well, me and my son were like in

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Philly and I was like, man, it was like Friday

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 2>night and I was like, I'm fucking tired.

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>We got into town in the morning.

0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I was like, we got the Hall

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 2>of Fame, Like we can go do I was like,

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 2>you know what, fuck it, We'll go to Hall of

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Fame because it was SmackDown and Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>and uh And I remember like it ran late, you know,

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>it was like we left after I think the rock

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>ended up going on like at the end, but I

0:26:33.440 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>remember just seeing the Paul Hamish. I'm like, this was

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:36.200
<v Speaker 2>worth it because.

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>He was main. I feel like that man is always

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>worth the price of a mission anything he does.

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 2>What is it like having a manager or having a

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 2>guy who like a confidant, who's who you know? I

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>would because to me, if I ever got into wrestling,

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the gig you were able to you know, how

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:55.120
<v Speaker 2>to take some bumps, you get to talk your ship,

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>but you don't get fucked up in the ring. But

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>now you have a man like what.

0:26:58.240 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Is that like? Is that pretty not? Was my first

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>ever manager I've ever had in my career.

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, like, now you have a guy,

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and like not anybody, not just anybody can get a guy.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>That's you know what I mean? Like for me, I

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.239
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's like how like what is me? What

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>is me and Nana's relationship to one another? Is he

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 1>a businessman? Is he? Uh? Does he get contracts done?

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Is he a sleazy little like just like a guy

0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.159
<v Speaker 1>that like you know, like that runs like what is he?

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>What is the relation to Swerve? And what does Swerve

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>need that? That's that was one of the questions that

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I asked myself, And like why does Swerve need Nana?

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>What what does Nana do for Swerve that Swerve can't

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>do for himself. Well, like now we're just asking those questions.

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Now there's a multitude of the things he does. He

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of does my bidding for him. He's also my

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 1>moral compass, if you know, toe certain things He's like no, no, no,

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>not right now. Boss, Let's go. Let's get out of

0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>this because like I'll pop off and start a fight

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and some wild ship right then and there, but not

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>as like nope, we got bigger things to handle, or

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like hey, there's some news I need to talk to

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.719
<v Speaker 1>about that happen on collision by the way, you might

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>not know. Okay, so now he's my ear to the

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:09.919
<v Speaker 1>streets too. Then he's like, oh, oh you're in trouble.

0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Here's my head, my crown, use it. Okay. So he's

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>also like this, you know, then like Trisian's trying to

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.240
<v Speaker 1>drive off and leave him. Nope, He's also a guardian angel,

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>so like he I define him on many different things.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>He's also a music person. He's been in my music

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 1>videos and stuff like that. So he's been on interviews

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>with me, you know. So he has a multitude of

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 1>different uses and stuff that bail me out when like

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm being overwhelmed. What's that your idea or did Tony

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Tony k I want to that's dope. That was all

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Tony Khan. Tony Khan was like, I want to do

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>a merger with a Mogul embassy with mogl affiliates in

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the embassy and bring you two together because I think

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>we want to get them on all the wrestling TV

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>because they were doing a lot of ring and honor

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think you could use heaters to be around

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>found you and I think not on you compliment each

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>other very well, and I was like, Okay, that's what

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the boss wants, That's what we're going to do. Now

0:29:09.120 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, now, how do I blow this up to

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>more than just like hey, hi, hi guys, we're I

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:17.880
<v Speaker 1>guess we're working together. Yeah, the teacher is putting us

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.479
<v Speaker 1>together to do this assignment. Like how do we like

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>so we want to get a A? Of course, and

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I think we wanted. We wanted. Our achievement is always

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to get a A. But we had C level expectations

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and I think we passed and exceeded. I think we

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>exceeded that because when we first started, I heard some

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>comments and like this where doesn't need that? Like what

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>what did these guys? What do they do? And then

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:43.719
<v Speaker 1>like it's started growing. Then we started doing more devious

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>stuff on television, and I think that's where it really

0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>really began. It was like, how do these guys interact

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 1>outside of the ring, like, because that's where a lot

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>of fans like want to we really become in tune

0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>with the characters on television. How do these peop react

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.320
<v Speaker 1>in real life scenario? You know it's real? You know,

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 1>like how does Roman talk with Paul? Like how does

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, how does I think One thing with

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>a w was how does m JF and Adam Cole

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>interact outside of this all those like throwing, playing dodgeball,

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 1>they challenging each other to drinking like alcohol back and forth,

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and then going on fishing trips. I was like, Oh,

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>I feel more close to these guys because they are

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>interacting outside of just the wrestling rings. So there's a

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>little bit more to them. So when they do wrestle,

0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you understand the dynamic and you have.

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>More It's almost like it's almost like more than ever.

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>The fans are in on, like they're not just in

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 2>on whatever they see on TV right the.

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Whole Like if I can put put it back to music.

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:47.959
<v Speaker 1>We see artists perform on stage, but what we really

0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>want to see is how they are in the studio

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>working in a song. We want to see that BTS.

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>We want to see like the Hard Knocked Life Tour.

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh, that's what they're doing back there. Oh

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that's why I like, Yeah, that's what made those artists

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>movie that backstage. Yeah it was crazy, and it's like

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be a rapper because this is the life

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I want to see. This is what I want to experience,

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>and like, maybe some are doing stuff that you wouldn't do,

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and maybe some are acting the way that you're like

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you anticipated them to act, but you wasn't sure, and

0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 1>now you're like, you know what, that's exactly what I

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>would do DMX with it. That's exactly how I would

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>be like acting backstage if I was in that position,

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.600
<v Speaker 1>that lifestyle and that industry. And so now you're kind

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>of like connect with them a little more as people.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>For you, what was first for you? Was it pursuing

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>wrestling or music. I didn't start pursuing music till like

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 1>four years ago. Okay, so the music thing is newer.

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>So you were never like writing back in the day. Oh,

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I was gotten in the school notebook. I was like

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>listening to those albums up there, and like you were

0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>just a fan. I was just I was just a

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>fan of it, and it was but I would like

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>rap along to them, and to the point where I did'

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>even I just knew the lyrics. I knew the cadences,

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 1>I knew the rhythm I knew I just knew it.

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>I had the muscle memory in the like of just

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like following along to certain lyrics and then like then

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 1>as I got older and more mature with things, I

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>could really start like really deciphering like what they're saying,

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>why they were saying this, why the like lyrics were

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:22.920
<v Speaker 1>like being used in a certain tone, what a double

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>entendre was. I'm like, oh, that's what I mean. It

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>started as also the matrix started being uncoded to me

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more and more than when I actually

0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>manteezy my codes to the source of podcast. He really

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.680
<v Speaker 1>like opened my mind to like, this is why you

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>do it this way, This is why you do it

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>this way. But here try it, do it your way,

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>find your way. I'll guide you when you're like kind

0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of drifting off and everything. But just right now, just

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like learning to paint. It's just like just paint something.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Just paint something. Just start with a blank canvas and paint.

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 1>And then as I've got more mature, I wouldn't say

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I like became great at this, but like I'm still learning,

0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 1>but like I'm being I'm still being guided, but it's

0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>all starting to become a little bit closer, a little

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>bit more. And then like getting on songs with like

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Mickey Fax and music Soul Child and Benny the Butcher

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and tried to Mickey Fax he's an alien, Like I've

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>done three songs with them, and I'm.

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Like, oh my god, he's like quite literally like a

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 2>rap like savant. Yeah, it's like I think he teaches it. Yeah,

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I think.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>He teaches it. Like it's so good, like it's crazy.

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>And he goes and he goes like like head ahead

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.840
<v Speaker 1>with a Royce a loop, eg, Like he goes head

0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>to head with these guys and then like him deciphering

0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>why things are said in the cadence and the inflection

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 1>of boom hitting it right here in the right time.

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Then getting with Flash Garments, who's like heavily in the industry,

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and like like literally in studios with Kanye, in studios

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>with Ryan Leslie, traveling with these people Leslie yes, and

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>like he's like, all right, now we're going to show

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:06.640
<v Speaker 1>you how to make records, which is important. Like but

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>now I was just like living from like okay, this

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>is the local hometown like teacher to like okay, this

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 1>is like the next teacher, and but we're all still

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>working at we all still like performed on the Jericho

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.439
<v Speaker 1>Cruise together and it's like Okay, these are my two

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.279
<v Speaker 1>like mentors that really brought me together to do.

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Didn't I just saw, like, did you just do something

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>with Fozzy?

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:29.319
<v Speaker 1>It's coming up?

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 2>I saw I saw for Jericho pust A Flyer and

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.319
<v Speaker 2>like you were on it too.

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's a random mixture of music that's

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of a lot of wrestlings. But but it's like

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.919
<v Speaker 1>that's how that's kind of how like my career has gone.

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>It's just like, how does serve get here, like roll

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>around a wrestler get on stage? Is it going to

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 1>wrestle and match? Like no, I'm doing music, Like so

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.319
<v Speaker 1>it was like, how did this happen? How does that? Even?

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Jericho was just like I'm shocked that you got that.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. So but it's just like finding ways through

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>these canals that is this industry and just like you know,

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 1>but once again, it's still a learning process for me.

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 1>But I'm in the right places with the right people,

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>like I'm doing. I still come to LA and do

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 1>getting the studio with Chase the money right Chase Chase

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>man Like like getting it's a lot of like like

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>DJ Flip just throwing beats at me, throwing like it's

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>like come in, Well just welcomed me in with like

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>open arms. So it's really it's just really awesome. I'm blessed.

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Talk to me about because like I feel like throughout

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the history of like my you know, watching wrestling, like

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 2>wrestling has always been it has always felt in the

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 2>way that like black wrestlers are depicted on TV, it

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>has always felt a little racist, Like especially like when

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 2>we were growing up, Like there was always like I

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>felt like anybody who would come in would have to

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>have like a stick that was like super like stare typical,

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>and like.

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>It felt like we had two archetypes.

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>It was like you were either the blinged out dude

0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 2>or like the militant dude. It was like, you know,

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>like and obviously, you know, shots of the Rock, who's

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>obviously a wrestler of color, kind of broke through a

0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of that, but you know, shots of Kofe Kingston

0:36:14.760 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 2>for winning the championship who you know.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I know that was a big deal, A big deal

0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>for me for sure, last decade, definitely for me, I

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>mean just that whole era of the new Man lastly.

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. But like for you, like do you

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like the industry has finally moved past that weird

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.239
<v Speaker 2>because it really was a thing. When I was growing up,

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:39.439
<v Speaker 2>I was like dog like.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Like I felt like Mark Henry was like a mix

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>of that too, Like he kind of broke the mod

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Yeah, because he was just the world's

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>strongest man.

0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 2>He was just an athlete, yeah, he was. He was

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a big I'm at Johnson too. When I was a kid.

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember watching I'm at Johnson.

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I can't really speak on like what stoped from

0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 1>being like the world champion and stuff, but like I

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.279
<v Speaker 1>just remember liking him as a kid. He was just

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 1>a strong dude. He's a strong dude. But like just

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Mark with uh Mark and Booker as the King Booker

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>my image, those two like and like the mid two

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>thousands early two thousands really broke the mold in a

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 1>sense for like that just at that window that time

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>period right there, it was just like they were just good. Yeah,

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 1>they were just good. They were just good. They were

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 1>just they were just good athletes. And Booker just was

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>just like so over the top outlandish, like like of

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>a character that he felt like larger than life. He

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 1>just went charger than life with sure. When Mark Henry

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>his in ring performance made him larger than life, you know,

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So those guys just like kind of found another niche

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>into it outside of those stereotypical things. You know, He's

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:56.440
<v Speaker 1>like he was black royalty king booker with Charmel his

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>black queen. Like you know, there were royal they felt,

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 1>and I always appreciated that for what they did, you know,

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>looking back on it and things like that. So for me,

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>it was just like once again, how do where do

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I find my lane? And like so like my black

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 1>royalty is like with music in a sense, it's just like, no,

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not broke. No, I'm not like ashamed of who

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I am. I'm not ashamed. I can go out and

0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 1>speak about like, yeah, I'm a black World champion. I'm

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.359
<v Speaker 1>proud of that. Like, well, what is things? It got

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to be about color? Because it is about color. It is.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:35.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not even about me in color. It's about representation

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and the color. It's about inspiring another young black kid

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>who's does who's watching right now doesn't think it's possible?

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, who doesn't think it's possible or he doesn't

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.920
<v Speaker 1>see himself as that or I like this, I like this,

0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I feel like I'm somewhat like a swerve,

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think I can. I don't think I

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>could ever get into wrestling and be a world champion

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 1>when now that inspires confidence and that kid, which is

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 1>worth confidence my social media tag for those kind of reasons.

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not like, yes, I feel confident about myself, but

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>you can too. I want you to feel confident. I

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 1>want you to be inspired and like have your confidence

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 1>grow because a lot of like I was, uh shout

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>out Johnny Chris from Drinks with Johnny. I was with

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.319
<v Speaker 1>him yesterday. We had a great conversation about the fact

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 1>that like, how did I grow to getting to where

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm at? I was like, well, I didn't set

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like the goal was this or fail. And if you

0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.359
<v Speaker 1>look at things when you start, it's so broad, it's

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>so big. It's so hard to feel like, how do

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>I accomplish this? Because people want to like jump into

0:39:42.200 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 1>something and they compare themselves to like like a platinum

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>record on day two, and I'm like it always happens

0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:54.919
<v Speaker 1>with any industry and every like like universally, not even

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:56.000
<v Speaker 1>just like and.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Then you can psych yourself out start feeling really about

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>your process and yeah.

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Like even then like if you work like a regular job,

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like you compare yourself, how do I

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>make like CEO on like your third week on the jobs? Like? No?

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.640
<v Speaker 1>For me, how it started off with just like I

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just want to wrestle on my show where I make

0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:20.919
<v Speaker 1>enough money to pay my phone bill for the month. Right,

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>that's it simple? And then like okay, cool, Now I

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>want to try to pay rent? Yeah, like what if

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I could just what if I could don't have to

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.799
<v Speaker 1>work anywhere else? Right? Right? Like what if I just

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 1>like do enough to Like I just want to get

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 1>on a flyer Now, I want to be the headline

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:39.480
<v Speaker 1>of the flyer. Now I want to be like, you know,

0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to win a championship. Now, I want to

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>be in the championship of these indie shows. You know what,

0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to drive out of state to a wrestling

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 1>show and they pay gas money. That would be a

0:40:52.960 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>great accomplishment for me. You know. Now you're driving to

0:40:56.880 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 1>six different states and that radius. Now now it's like,

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.399
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I want to get a flight now,

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 1>maybe someone, maybe I'll be good enough for someone to

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>book me and put me on a flight. Oh cool,

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Now I can fly kind of like an hour away. Right,

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting flights now I want to overseas tour. Now

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.279
<v Speaker 1>your confidence is growing because now you know you can

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>make that money. You know you can pay off this,

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 1>you know you can pay rent, you know you can

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>now you probably can buy at least a car. So

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 1>now you don't have to bum rides anymore. Now you

0:41:27.800 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>know how Now you know you can afford better gear

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>to look better on those too main event to get championships.

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's that's how your confidence grows. And that's for me,

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.560
<v Speaker 1>is really where I felt like, I know I can

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>do this now when you don't think that you can

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.960
<v Speaker 1>pull something off that you don't think so when I

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 1>get to like, aw, like, no, I know I can

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:50.719
<v Speaker 1>do this.

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Is it possible? Like I think about like the correlation

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to the music industry where it's like, yeah, you could

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:58.680
<v Speaker 2>be independent artists nowadays and like make a good living

0:41:58.760 --> 0:42:00.839
<v Speaker 2>if you kind of have a good fan base and

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you get your merch Right, is it possible to be

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 2>an indie wrestler and kind of exist on the fringes

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>of the industry if you're not in one of the

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 2>two main companies.

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Young Bucks did it for years.

0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Because you know, there's like the repro Wrestling Teas dot Com.

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:16.920
<v Speaker 2>People sell merch on there.

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:20.040
<v Speaker 1>And the Young Bucks like blew that whole industry up

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:24.440
<v Speaker 1>out of the water, like back in twenty fifteen, might

0:42:24.480 --> 0:42:26.200
<v Speaker 1>pop up in New Japan, might pop up and do

0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a sugar pop up and still sell like two thousand

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>shirts at PWG out of boxes, not by the ring, right,

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.279
<v Speaker 1>and then like you know what, maybe we'll just go

0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to the UK because we've deprived them of our presence

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and their matches for so long. Let's go over to

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the UK and do a tour with Kenny. It's bring

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>Kenny and Elite over there. I was on those shows.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>I wrestled them on those shows, and they sold out,

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I remember, they sold merch from the start of

0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 1>the show all the way up until past intermission. While

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the matches were still going on. People were still on

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 1>lines buying shirts from them. And we had to face

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:01.320
<v Speaker 1>them in the main event three matches. That's crazy, three matches.

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 1>They were still because they were selling merch the entire time,

0:43:05.239 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 1>like y'all, like people don't understand, like y'all talk, like y'all.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Take the Young Bucks and these guys for granted, like

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>these guys were already doing that in like twenty twelve thirteen.

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I was like I was on shows with these guys,

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:18.399
<v Speaker 1>Like that was a time y'all had to be there,

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:20.720
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like there was like they were getting

0:43:20.960 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>like their shirts sold in Hot Topic. Yeah I remember, Yeah,

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember, and things like that like the Bullet Club,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, AJ styles with them, Finn Balor, you know,

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.319
<v Speaker 1>like candicel Ray got a shirt from them.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:34.879
<v Speaker 2>It's so crazy if you think about the Bullet Club

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>and like how iconic that logo has become and how

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 2>it's changed and like people have used it for like

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like it's and it all started as like the

0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:47.959
<v Speaker 2>wildest indie you know fact should probably ever.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like man and all the people who came from it,

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>they were they weren't They were on the indies making

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>six figures bro crazy off of independent wrestling, like being

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.440
<v Speaker 1>able to like wrestle when they felt like it, Russell

0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>whoever they felt like it, when when wherever they felt

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:08.280
<v Speaker 1>like it, and like could just like run the dollar

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 1>up like crazy. It was just like that was a phenomenon.

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.200
<v Speaker 1>It was just like man, that there is a way

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to make a living and like not have to be

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.560
<v Speaker 1>in these places to really like buy a house. Buy

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a house off of independent wrestling is insane in California. Crazy.

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the grind of wrestling, because I feel

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:32.839
<v Speaker 2>like it is the most uh. I mean, you guys

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.799
<v Speaker 2>don't get a day off like in terms of like

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:36.640
<v Speaker 2>now you know there's an off there's no off season

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 2>in wrestling, right, it's this is every week.

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, like people people want to be a wrestler until

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.160
<v Speaker 1>they see how much they get paid in the entry

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:45.239
<v Speaker 1>level of things.

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:47.399
<v Speaker 2>And then like the level of work where it's like, yo,

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>this is your like you're you know, you might have

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:52.160
<v Speaker 2>a day a week where you can fly home and

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 2>see your family and hang out maybe two.

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Days like yeah, like I haven't been home in like

0:44:56.360 --> 0:44:59.280
<v Speaker 1>five six days just now, and that's not that crazy,

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.399
<v Speaker 1>but like pay per view weeks to get does get

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 1>a little nuts. And then I'm home for like a

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 1>couple of days and I gotta go back on like

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:08.520
<v Speaker 1>and I have other ventures too, So I got to

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 1>be in like New York for like the House of

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Dragon's premiere with the championship.

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I gotta be you got the belt, so

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you also are like I got to face the company.

0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gotta. I gotta get in like a day

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 1>or two early to like do these interviews, coming in

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>with speak with guys like yourself and like wave the

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>flag promote. You know. Then I got it. Then my

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>kids live out of state, so I got to stop

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>in see my kids, have time with my girls and

0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they're getting they're in high school, middle school right now,

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>so like get that time. Then back on the road

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because like the turnover time is like oh so once

0:45:40.719 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a week. I'm like yeah, but the time frame, you

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:46.840
<v Speaker 1>still got to travel, so like it's yeah, like you

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>just snap your fingers and something. No, sometimes I gotta

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 1>be on Collision too, you know, like oh we couldn't

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.799
<v Speaker 1>do that. We couldn't fit this on the show, throwing

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>on Collision on Sat Sauce, so you on Saturday. So

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.359
<v Speaker 1>back out around, you know. So like it's a lot

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.319
<v Speaker 1>of it's a lot and the higher you go, the

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:03.440
<v Speaker 1>more responsibility.

0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:05.800
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, the higher you go, the more I

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:07.680
<v Speaker 2>mean outside of like the guys who are quote unquote

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 2>part timers, but like the guys are on TV every week,

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 2>You're like shit, man, Like then the house shows.

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like I can't afford that, and I can't

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>afford to have a sick day, like, oh, I'm not

0:46:16.600 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>feeling good. I'm just gonna stay home, Like I can't

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>take those sick days. I gotta be out there. I

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>gotta like remedy and figure it out, you know. And

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>on the entry level of it, it's like you got

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to do that and then train, and then do that,

0:46:28.160 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 1>and then train and then and then eat and then

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 1>remember you gotta eat, okay on the road, eat on

0:46:31.880 --> 0:46:35.000
<v Speaker 1>the eat like and then eating good on the road

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:37.799
<v Speaker 1>is expensive, like cheap food is like.

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Cheap food is the best because if it's late, oh,

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>we get back to the hotels.

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>It's late. Try try to eat finding like salmon at

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 1>twelve one in the morning, good luck, Yeah, broccoli and rice?

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Did you better pack it? You know? So like it's

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like you got it. And then finding time to

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.959
<v Speaker 1>work out, like because you've got to work about people

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>going to call you a slob if you look on

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 1>TV and then you're Alway's slacking off. He doesn't want

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:00.520
<v Speaker 1>it as bad, you know, you don't want to show those.

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>How many days a week you go to the gym.

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Four to five? Yeah, and they're not like small. They

0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 1>like to two hours two and a half hour workouts

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. So that's when I'm home, like on the road.

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:14.319
<v Speaker 1>I shortened it because like time is limited. So it's

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 1>like hour at hotel gym. Yeah, hotel gym or do

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.839
<v Speaker 1>you try to find a gym if you have the time?

0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 1>If like, because finding a gym, wake up earlier to

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.880
<v Speaker 1>travel to a good gym, right, you know, and and

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 1>also like unless you got hookups at those gyms and

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:33.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, you know, somebody get a discount of

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>not you're paying thirty bucks out of pocket to work

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>out at these gyms once again entry level, so thirty bucks,

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:44.720
<v Speaker 1>then food and then buying your packet hotels sometimes rental,

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:49.239
<v Speaker 1>then you know, checking bags. That was a lot. Like

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 1>it's small, but it adds up. You know, what do

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:53.759
<v Speaker 1>your kids think?

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Obviously your daughters I'm sure have watched.

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>You grind and grind and grind.

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from the time they're you know, babies to now

0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.879
<v Speaker 2>what did they think when you were able to be

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, finally get this.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, my oldest is more emotional. She's in the fourteen okay,

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.720
<v Speaker 1>so she's getting in that stage of like like she's

0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:14.200
<v Speaker 1>she's in basketball heavy into basketball AAU. We pay for

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 1>training or shooting training and like extra training off season training,

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and she appreciates that, but she wants time with her

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 1>dad now. She's like, well I met, like, like, you

0:48:25.640 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 1>missed a lot of halloweens, you missed a lot of thanksgivings,

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 1>you a lot of things, like I kind of growing

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>up without you a little bit. And when I sat

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:35.240
<v Speaker 1>down my promo a couple of weeks back on Collision,

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that was really real. She does doesn't feel like she

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>knows me. It's because of like all the sacrifice. This

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>doesn't come without sacrifice nothing, honestly nothing in life. The

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>higher you go, you sacrifice way more. So I sacrificed

0:48:47.600 --> 0:48:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time. So I'm having those conversations with

0:48:49.680 --> 0:48:52.600
<v Speaker 1>my oldest. My youngest is like still like she's twelve,

0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.720
<v Speaker 1>so she's still like has that child like wonder tour

0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 1>about things she do.

0:48:58.239 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>You have to like tell them like, hey, if you're

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna watch me on TV this week.

0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:04.839
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, sometimes I'm just like, no, don't watch this week.

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll send like part of the match, like you know,

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 1>certain things. So it's having those adult conversations with your

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 1>kids now, so that's for the stage I'm at. So

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like she she likes it, but she's also torn

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.240
<v Speaker 1>from it because because it took away, took time away.

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 1>So now it's like, all right, I gotta get I

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.839
<v Speaker 1>gotta fly home see my kids. But even once again

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:31.239
<v Speaker 1>flying home, senior kids, I'm not staying at my baby

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>mama's house. Like I gotta get to get a hotel, hotel, Airbnb,

0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:39.840
<v Speaker 1>rental for sure, you know, traveling around, so that takes

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:40.600
<v Speaker 1>money away.

0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Talk to me, obviously, you know, Mercedes just got she

0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.359
<v Speaker 2>just got the belt to shot to her. I think

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:52.240
<v Speaker 2>she was the is it the biggest free agency contract

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 2>ever signed at aw and.

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Definitely probably for in the women's like in the women's

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in the women's category, probably both, Like what was it? Awww?

0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 2>What's it like having her in the locker room because

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 2>obviously she's had a crazy run doing New Japan and

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>like just kind of like I guess a mini version

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of what Cody did when he left, Like just yeah,

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you know.

0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>It feel for me, it feels good to have like

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:19.359
<v Speaker 1>a woman's match so prominent on the show, like as

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.359
<v Speaker 1>one of the trouble main events and stuff. For double

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>or nothing. I want. I would love to really see

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 1>them main event like just being a vent period on

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:30.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the pay per views coming up, because I

0:50:30.280 --> 0:50:33.200
<v Speaker 1>think Mercedes has that muchre star power and we believe

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in her to do that. It feels good to like

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>have like that level of like okay, boom the bar

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>set right. You always want to set the bar boom,

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, And I feel like she's really she's really

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:48.600
<v Speaker 1>doing that as far as like what's what's it going

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to take to be this champion? Now? It's like you

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.480
<v Speaker 1>can't just settle for just like being good enough. No,

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.120
<v Speaker 1>you got to set the bar and you go like,

0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>all right, this is where we got to meet it now,

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you want to do it in unique ways.

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like our World champions are pass former World

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.400
<v Speaker 1>champion set up bar high too. I can't even make

0:51:06.440 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 1>us at the bar really high for sure, Like you know,

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.359
<v Speaker 1>Moxley three times AW World Champions set the bar in

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>that category, you know, being like passionate about our business,

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>passionate about our company. You know. Then MJF, like youngest

0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>AW World champion, set another bar with that rain, you know,

0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:26.160
<v Speaker 1>and like the quality of what he was doing on

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>television every week. So I got to find my way

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to set a new bar in my sense of like

0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 1>media is one of my ways. I feel like if

0:51:33.160 --> 0:51:36.040
<v Speaker 1>doing that kind of thing in my unique way, and

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>then like, okay, there's a new era of aw how

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:41.279
<v Speaker 1>do I set that bar for the rest of the guys.

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>And we have a stacked roster, super ready ready to

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 1>get super at the bit. So I think Mercedes is

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.040
<v Speaker 1>doing the same sense of just like with star Power,

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and then now that she won the championship, had the match,

0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:56.439
<v Speaker 1>now she's going to do it to get in the ring,

0:51:56.920 --> 0:52:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Like all right, do you ladies already super talented, already

0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 1>like great names. Now we're going to raise it up

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more, and not just to compete with her,

0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:11.640
<v Speaker 1>but like literally come up and try to just be

0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.120
<v Speaker 1>on that level. I saw, did you see them?

0:52:14.160 --> 0:52:17.040
<v Speaker 2>There's like a meme I saw, And I don't know. Essentially,

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 2>I think Becky Lynch just deals about to be up

0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 2>and she's about to be a free agent.

0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she just wants to be home with the kids. Man,

0:52:23.120 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 1>who knows, who knows who? Maybe she just wanted to

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:28.440
<v Speaker 1>be home with the kids. Man, Because now, like Seth

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 1>has been hurt. He has surgery and stuff. So now

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.399
<v Speaker 1>they're both they can be at home for like, let

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>some people just want to be home like for a

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.560
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Yeah. Let let like like let's not see like, oh,

0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:39.200
<v Speaker 1>she's going to jump to here here here. I'm like,

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.839
<v Speaker 1>let let her be home. Let it be a mom,

0:52:42.080 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Let seth be a dad. Let them be a family

0:52:44.480 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 1>for like, give them that time because they fucking six

0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:48.400
<v Speaker 1>months or something. They worked hard for it and they

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:52.279
<v Speaker 1>deserve that for sure, you know, And so I'm always like,

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:53.800
<v Speaker 1>you let him be family first.

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you, now that there's like

0:52:58.200 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 2>this power shift over or uh what they're called the

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Triple Ah era, right, could you see a world in

0:53:05.560 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the future because I think at Mania a lot of

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 2>fans were hoping that John Moxley was gonna pop out.

0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:13.600
<v Speaker 1>That was funny. I thought that was funny because.

0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, when I heard the

0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Shield music, I stood on the fucking chair.

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:21.359
<v Speaker 1>I was like, knowing Johnny's probably like.

0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.720
<v Speaker 2>But could you ever see a world in which there's

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:30.880
<v Speaker 2>some sort of like like they're never gonna officially emerge talent,

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.719
<v Speaker 2>but like where there's like some sort of bleeding of

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>like the DC and Marvel universe.

0:53:35.440 --> 0:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>In any way, if there's ever a time it could happen,

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>now is more likely than it's ever been. Right. I

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>don't think either person is opposed. But if there's ever

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a time like a sor as Tony conn in place,

0:53:51.320 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's ever been a time that's more

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:59.120
<v Speaker 1>likely than now. That's good to know. The percentages. The

0:53:59.120 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 1>percentage are higher than the percentage that went from zero

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 1>point zero four point four ticket, and that's more than

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>we've ever gotten.

0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 2>How much did you love the NFL Draft? When Tony

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:16.200
<v Speaker 2>Kahan was selling his neck injury during the NFL Draft.

0:54:15.880 --> 0:54:18.319
<v Speaker 1>Troop pros so good? True, Bro, I was actually at

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.840
<v Speaker 1>the building. I was doing media at Jacksonville Stadium, and

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I saw the setting up everything, So it was really cool. Yeah,

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Like Tony's funny, and Tony's great and his dad is

0:54:30.360 --> 0:54:32.399
<v Speaker 1>a big supporter too. I got to meet his dad

0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:35.800
<v Speaker 1>a couple of times. Yeah, I thought it was awesome.

0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>You guys just get Jackwires tickets anytime you want.

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.319
<v Speaker 1>I get the sweet now too. I mean, you're the champ.

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, hopefully they're a little bit bit. He

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:47.239
<v Speaker 1>introduced me to Roger Goodell too. Football. Yeah. I got

0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:50.640
<v Speaker 1>to meet Kurt Warner the whole month. I n Goodell

0:54:50.640 --> 0:54:52.319
<v Speaker 1>not so, I was there for Sunday and Monday nights.

0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Are you a football fan? Big? Yeah? So who's your team?

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm a Rams fan?

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Really?

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Why great to show on turf? Oh okay, that makes sense.

0:55:01.280 --> 0:55:02.839
<v Speaker 2>I was about to say it had to have been

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.920
<v Speaker 2>because of like Isaac Bruce and Marshall.

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I got to meet Kurt Water.

0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 2>And what was that Mark Boulger?

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 1>After that? Mark was cool, he was all right, he

0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>made it, he made a Pro Bowl two. But Kurt

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 1>was the guy like Stephen Jackson. Stephen Jackson like banger

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 1>running backs. Stephen Jackson was a mean ass man. We've

0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:23.840
<v Speaker 1>always had banger running backs. We've had like sure Marshall's

0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Jackson to Todd Gurley.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Gurley was cold, man. Fuck I forgot about Gurley even now.

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:31.839
<v Speaker 2>What's it the new dude ship?

0:55:31.920 --> 0:55:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I Williams is cool. Yeah, Williamson, he's a he's a

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Kien Williams is cool. When we just drafted Blake Corham,

0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:39.560
<v Speaker 1>so I'm like looking forward to like one two punch,

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Like they're both scatbacks too.

0:55:41.600 --> 0:55:43.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's going to be really well because I'm a

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Cardinals fan, which is we're in the NFC West with

0:55:45.560 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys, and I mean I always tell people it's

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it's nice being.

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 1>The day after actually the full gear match of the

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Bloody Match, I actually went to the Rams game versus Seattle,

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:56.560
<v Speaker 1>m My first time is so fie. It was like

0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:03.120
<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful, amazing, so crazy. Actually put in a a

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.240
<v Speaker 1>bid for like the Aaron Donald jersey, the signed Super

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Bowl jersey, and like it was like nobody, nobody signed up.

0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So I just like won it just flat out. I

0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh cool, So like now I got the

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 1>that jersey and the I was.

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Gonna say, like, it felt like obviously the Rams won

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl.

0:56:21.360 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 1>They won one super Bowl with Kurt Right. Yeah. Two

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 1>we went to tow and we gave Tom Brady his

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 1>first wreck.

0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:30.280
<v Speaker 2>But I was gonna say, obviously you got to experience

0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>that win. But I'm sure you were just getting into

0:56:31.960 --> 0:56:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the Rams back then.

0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, like the mad No. Three say like.

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Fast forward, like because as a Cardinals fan, I would

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 2>not know what it's like to every I'm a Son's

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>fan too, I don't know what a championship.

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Feels like in life, none at all. I was so

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>close with the Pittsburgh Steelers christ Antonio Holmes, one of

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:49.799
<v Speaker 1>the greatest touchdown throws ever.

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>But they always say like, well, like the Rams traded

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 2>all their all this equity to get to get the

0:56:55.600 --> 0:56:56.360
<v Speaker 2>ring and they got it.

0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:58.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, they cashed out, they cashed out.

0:56:59.239 --> 0:56:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Is it worth it?

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yes, yes, in this decade, we got it. We

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>got one in this day. I tell everybody, I'm like,

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't give a fuck what happens with the Suns.

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if this owner trades every fucking draft pick,

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 1>if we.

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Get one ring and suck for the next twenty years,

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't give a fuck.

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.080
<v Speaker 1>Dude. Oh my god, it was tragic watching that this year.

0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:20.960
<v Speaker 1>This year, Yeah, it was tragic. I was like Bradley Bell, like,

0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this makes them worse.

0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 2>It feels fucking terrible. Not to be nice guy, Yo,

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:29.360
<v Speaker 2>obviously your hip hop guy. What are your first of all,

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 2>what were your thoughts on the Drake Kendrick Beef.

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I said this before on something, I was like,

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like one of the things about like Drake

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 1>was already already fighting an uphill battle because we see

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.880
<v Speaker 1>so much of them. He's overexposed. We see so much

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:49.120
<v Speaker 1>of him for the last fifteen fifteen years. He's always outside,

0:57:49.160 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 1>so we always kind of know, like even if the

0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:52.960
<v Speaker 1>rumors are true or not.

0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>True, but there's always something in the air about there's.

0:57:54.720 --> 0:57:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Always something in the air to kind of those have

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>those implementations, just play and you know people are going

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>to take things. This is running up anyway. We don't

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:05.680
<v Speaker 1>know what implications are about Kendrick, so right then and there,

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 1>the wave is just like heavily on Kendrick's side, And

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I think just playing into implications is what won Kendrick

0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 1>from my and I just thought strategically he just like

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.040
<v Speaker 1>timing was everything, Like bro when when he.

0:58:19.040 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Dropped family matters and then like forty five minutes later

0:58:21.400 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 2>the meet the Grahams came out, was like he just

0:58:23.560 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 2>sucked the life out of the room.

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We were in the car driving around Miami is Me

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Shirt King Fade and Flash and we were like all right,

0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.560
<v Speaker 1>we were just sitting there waiting for our food and

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>then like Drake just dropped in matters and we got

0:58:37.800 --> 0:58:40.080
<v Speaker 1>in the like, got the food, got in the car,

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:42.720
<v Speaker 1>listened to it, and then he was like yo, did

0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Kendrick just is this fake his ai? No, Kendrick just

0:58:45.840 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 1>dropped play it and we sat in front of his house.

0:58:48.440 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 1>We were dropping him off. We sat in his front

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>of his house for like an hour and a half

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>just listening back from Phoenix during the whole thing, and

0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, this is fucking crazy.

0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, He's said earlier in the day,

0:58:59.560 --> 0:59:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Kendrick drop that freestyle where he like kind of warned

0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 2>him like, hey, this is you got some leaks in

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 2>your camp.

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.040
<v Speaker 1>You take it. Whatever you're gonna do tonight, don't do it.

0:59:08.040 --> 0:59:10.000
<v Speaker 1>It's just a friendly fade. You're taking it here, I'm

0:59:10.000 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 1>taking it. There's something you don't want to do. So

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 1>crazy man. And I think another thing with Kendrick is

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.600
<v Speaker 1>like there's so many quotables. Oh yeah, so many quotables

0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 1>on just a Euphori alone.

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 2>They're so Euphouri is my favorite record at all of them,

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 2>because I just thought I thought it was such a methodical.

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It was a kill shot, but also like a literal

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>warning shot, like hey man, like there's a friendly fade.

0:59:32.400 --> 0:59:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Don't tell don't tell them lies about me, and I

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:35.320
<v Speaker 2>won't tell the truth about you.

0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like Drake with the melodies. I don't like

0:59:37.480 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Drake when he acts us so good Man, what is it?

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 1>The braids? It's like there's so many quotables from Kendrick

0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:45.040
<v Speaker 1>because of the way he says it in his voice

0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and the inflections. It's like it's so it's comedic, but

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:54.040
<v Speaker 1>it's also like it hits, it's sharp. Yeah, so good Man,

0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:58.520
<v Speaker 1>the different flows, the like the shots of Kendrick Man,

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's still like syllable schemes. Who's your like

1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 1>top three or four all time? I mean, is one

1:00:05.120 --> 1:00:08.960
<v Speaker 1>of them? For sure? Sure? Like just on like if

1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you want to look numbers and statistics stuff, Drake has

1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.720
<v Speaker 1>to be up there and influence alone in the past

1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:18.400
<v Speaker 1>like fifteen twenty years. It has to be Kanye for sure. Yeah. Yeah,

1:00:18.560 --> 1:00:23.280
<v Speaker 1>And like there's so many more artists that could have

1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:27.240
<v Speaker 1>had more influence and from the from like the impact

1:00:27.280 --> 1:00:30.760
<v Speaker 1>that they made. I think Kanye's most influential artist because

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 1>he kept going. Because he kept going, He's influenced the world. Yes,

1:00:34.440 --> 1:00:35.360
<v Speaker 1>more than any artist.

1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I mean we're talking about like fashion, we're time.

1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Like like talking like just walking down the street.

1:00:40.720 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Motherfucker's walking around with them fucking glasses you couldn't see

1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:44.120
<v Speaker 2>out of back in the fuck.

1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Like these, I'm like, I can't see I hate these?

1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 1>What is going on? But people were wearing them, like

1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the haircuts, like the mohawks, mullet for sure, for all

1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>things for sure, wearing suits and now like people don't

1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.360
<v Speaker 1>even that. People come on stage with full masks. I'm like,

1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:02.120
<v Speaker 1>I can't even see a face. Yeah, you know that's crazy,

1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.560
<v Speaker 1>all right. So you are facing Christian but tonight you're

1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:13.160
<v Speaker 1>facing kill Switch, yes, sir, and a bought HBO sponsored match, Yeah,

1:01:13.200 --> 1:01:15.200
<v Speaker 1>house a Dragon sponsored match. I didn't know.

1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I saw the flyer and I wasn't I didn't know

1:01:17.080 --> 1:01:19.360
<v Speaker 2>what the fuck was going on because I was like,

1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:23.160
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, is aw on HBO Max now, because

1:01:23.160 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that'd be nice, tony kah, but figure that out.

1:01:26.080 --> 1:01:29.040
<v Speaker 1>But it caught your eye, it did. Yeah.

1:01:29.480 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel like if you get through the Christian thing,

1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.919
<v Speaker 2>the thing that everybody's gonna want.

1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:37.160
<v Speaker 1>To see is you VERSU m JF.

1:01:38.400 --> 1:01:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Possibly that feels like the impending collision that's going to have.

1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:44.240
<v Speaker 1>To happen, possibly.

1:01:45.280 --> 1:01:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Assuming you get to hold on to this, you know,

1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:48.919
<v Speaker 2>long enough, which I'm assuming you will.

1:01:48.960 --> 1:01:53.360
<v Speaker 1>But but that would be fun. There's a lot of

1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:56.040
<v Speaker 1>fun matchups going on right now. There's a lot of like,

1:01:56.440 --> 1:02:00.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what I think, Like, I think all these

1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:07.640
<v Speaker 1>all these matchups are all young, youthful too. True. True,

1:02:07.840 --> 1:02:10.640
<v Speaker 1>we're all with we all came up together and me myself,

1:02:10.800 --> 1:02:13.680
<v Speaker 1>mjf Osprey. We're all in the same like kind of

1:02:13.960 --> 1:02:17.120
<v Speaker 1>age group in the same era. Right. That's why I

1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:19.280
<v Speaker 1>feel like we moved to a different era, to a

1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:23.360
<v Speaker 1>new era. Stuff Like MGFF is a day one guy

1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.720
<v Speaker 1>out of three of us, but he's still with the

1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.480
<v Speaker 1>in the youthful spot. Yeah, we're still going to have him,

1:02:28.520 --> 1:02:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Jeff for like another decade.

1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I thought for sure he was out of there. I

1:02:32.360 --> 1:02:34.440
<v Speaker 2>was at Rumble in Tampa and I was just waiting.

1:02:34.760 --> 1:02:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, well, at least we got Jade. We

1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:42.640
<v Speaker 1>got Ja shout out, shout out, amazing, good big home

1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.160
<v Speaker 1>of mine. Like she's great, still doing her thing. Yeah

1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>for sure. I'm always excited to see what she does next,

1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:52.120
<v Speaker 1>always no matter what. But yeah, like our era is

1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like so like these these three guys are like, all right,

1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.680
<v Speaker 1>we're going to eat good for another sure, the companies

1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.520
<v Speaker 1>in good. Yeah, and we all care. We all care

1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.320
<v Speaker 1>about one another. We all care about the product. We

1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:09.480
<v Speaker 1>all care about pushing boundaries in our own ways. You know,

1:03:09.600 --> 1:03:12.240
<v Speaker 1>mine is cinematic. Osprays is in the ring, MGF is

1:03:12.240 --> 1:03:13.480
<v Speaker 1>on the microphone.

1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, Yo, The last thing I wanted to

1:03:15.560 --> 1:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>ask you. I feel like people don't understand. This is

1:03:18.280 --> 1:03:21.680
<v Speaker 2>more for people who don't understand how hard wrestling is.

1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I always say it is like.

1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:29.800
<v Speaker 2>The most physically difficult thing to put on a good

1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:32.880
<v Speaker 2>wrestling match because not only do you well, not only

1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:35.800
<v Speaker 2>do you have to be an athlete at the highest level,

1:03:36.960 --> 1:03:39.560
<v Speaker 2>you have to worry about so many different things happening

1:03:39.600 --> 1:03:41.160
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, you have to make sure you

1:03:41.200 --> 1:03:46.960
<v Speaker 2>protect the person you're wrestling with you it's it's the highest.

1:03:47.320 --> 1:03:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Dangerous skilled choreography.

1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Like when you have to hit like certain like spots

1:03:53.520 --> 1:03:56.800
<v Speaker 2>in a match, like it's it's just crazy some of

1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the spots that these guys hit on a consistent basis,

1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Like you know, for you, if you're wrestling somebody who

1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:10.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe isn't as gifted as you in the ring, is

1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it on you to make them look better and to

1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:14.760
<v Speaker 2>make sure because because at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my objective is to hurt people. That's what

1:04:18.600 --> 1:04:23.320
<v Speaker 1>my ob objective is. Officially, that's my objective, and that's

1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:25.160
<v Speaker 1>like now my objective is to do it in a

1:04:25.200 --> 1:04:28.680
<v Speaker 1>sense that protects this got it. That's that's how I

1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:29.240
<v Speaker 1>am with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, but I was going to say, like for you,

1:04:31.600 --> 1:04:34.760
<v Speaker 2>like to its care it just has to be like

1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:37.200
<v Speaker 2>super fucking difficult man.

1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:38.920
<v Speaker 1>To like like.

1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Just I mean for you, like like how long did

1:04:42.040 --> 1:04:43.400
<v Speaker 2>it take you to get to the point where you

1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:46.520
<v Speaker 2>felt very confident to say I could do thirty minutes?

1:04:46.840 --> 1:04:50.680
<v Speaker 1>And like when I honestly when I did thirty minutes,

1:04:51.000 --> 1:04:53.000
<v Speaker 1>it's like you have to do it, like you have

1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to get thrown out and thrown out there, and you

1:04:56.360 --> 1:04:58.040
<v Speaker 1>want to do it in spot. You want to do

1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it and get thrown out there in moments where they're

1:05:00.640 --> 1:05:04.000
<v Speaker 1>not detrimental with that. This is what the world sees first.

1:05:04.160 --> 1:05:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I kind of want to be doing thirty minutes behind

1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.080
<v Speaker 1>behind like maybe on a dark match or like even

1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:10.720
<v Speaker 1>dark matches. I would say, do it, like do it

1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:14.360
<v Speaker 1>on an independent shows match, like like put it, like

1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:20.880
<v Speaker 1>test yourself, push yourself to like go on, like maybe

1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's in front of fifty people first, five hundred people first,

1:05:23.840 --> 1:05:27.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, like nothing crazy, And even if you crash

1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.080
<v Speaker 1>and burn, at least it's in front of five hundred

1:05:29.080 --> 1:05:32.040
<v Speaker 1>people instead of five thousand and then five million or

1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:34.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever watching at home or on YouTube, and that it's

1:05:34.960 --> 1:05:37.600
<v Speaker 1>just like no matter what you do after that, we

1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:41.880
<v Speaker 1>always have this match that's like you know, like that

1:05:41.960 --> 1:05:43.880
<v Speaker 1>was your that's we have this in the canal where

1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:45.760
<v Speaker 1>we can like always go back to remember he did

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<v Speaker 1>this in payperview, bombed on there, So like get those

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minute matches.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're going to miss as spot or just

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<v Speaker 2>so do it off TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like like there's comedians that go into dive bars

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<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah they go work out their shors in

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<v Speaker 1>front of mics. Yeah, before they really take it to

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix and like do their comedies.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think being a wrestler is the most highest

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<v Speaker 2>difficult thing in the entire world to do physically mentally.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are fucking modern day gladiators. Thank you, appreciate,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for being I think the artist of the

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<v Speaker 2>highest calid I know. Listen, I always put on Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling is art wrestling, his artstling art man the highest

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<v Speaker 2>difficulty in.

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<v Speaker 1>The world period. It really, it really is. But when

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<v Speaker 1>it's done right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when it's done right, it's so beautiful because

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<v Speaker 2>you have storytelling and then you have the physical aspect

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<v Speaker 2>and there's just so much that goes into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even think people understand. Like, and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like man like like when all my podcast interview people

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<v Speaker 1>from other different forms of entertainment, we've all come across

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<v Speaker 1>the same struggle and the same like we all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of come together a little more because like we're not

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<v Speaker 1>too far apart and a lot of these ways right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>like music is the same way. It's like when like

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<v Speaker 1>done poorly, it's like, uh, but when it's done beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can be but you could be like a

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<v Speaker 2>terrible rapper and like still like you know, go platinum.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you could be like a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>wrestler and like be the world champion, be the world champ.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean shot at Goldberg. Goldberg was terrible. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I said this is not we're not too far apart, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like shout out to right back. He held a belt

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<v Speaker 1>for a show mente Goldberg.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you're right there, it is, oh man swear, but

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<v Speaker 2>we still had influence.

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<v Speaker 1>He did have influence. I was influenced by Goldberg when.

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<v Speaker 2>We were little kids.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just like, you know, like I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see somebody spear Jack camp, that's all. I'm sure, Just like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see a minute and a half song,

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<v Speaker 1>shake my ass to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, give me a minute and a half SoundCloud rap song.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what Goldburg was. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you, man. I look forward to seeing you

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<v Speaker 2>defend this title. I look forward to your reign as

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<v Speaker 2>the aw Heavyweight Champion, and uh yeah, Like, can we

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<v Speaker 2>just like Tony Kahan, please, for the love of God,

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<v Speaker 2>please just can we get the streaming together. I'll pay

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<v Speaker 2>thirty dollars a month, Like right now, what are we

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<v Speaker 2>doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>Please make we got keV signed on already.

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<v Speaker 2>All my aw watching is on Twitter, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, oh shit, what happened? Oh shit, this

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<v Speaker 1>motherfucker got sat on put on YouTube at least at

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<v Speaker 1>the very minimum.

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<v Speaker 2>My wrestling, my whole feed is like basketball, football and

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<v Speaker 2>wrestling on Twitter before you It's all just so. But yo, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy for you and I look forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 2>you do your thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro. Thank you. Yeah, fire, I got motion sickness me

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<v Speaker 1>and flash garments coming soon. There, it is go go

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<v Speaker 1>run that up, run that up.