Speaker 1: What's going on everybody? It's the ae W. That's all
Speaker 1: Elite Wrestling World Heavyweight Champion Swarve Strickland right here on
Speaker 1: the Bootleg keV podcast.
Speaker 2: Yo Man, Bootleg CAV Podcast Special guests in here. The
Speaker 2: AW World Heavyweight Champion Swarve Strickland is here.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: You I got to talk to this guy at Rolling
Speaker 2: Loud and since then he has picked up this amazing
Speaker 2: piece of.
Speaker 1: Hardware, amazing hard work hardware.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I gotta ask you, man, Like it's kind
Speaker 2: of crazy because I had seen you're kind of like
Speaker 2: somebody on Twitter had posted I guess, like a Twitter
Speaker 2: version of like your come up in the last like
Speaker 2: three or four years, Like you had kind of went
Speaker 2: from like being kind of like underutilized and underappreciated in
Speaker 2: a different company to come into AW and you've been
Speaker 2: making noise for you know, over a year now, And
Speaker 2: like what's it feel like when you finally are able
Speaker 2: to put this on and like hold that thing up?
Speaker 1: Like, man, it's literally like I'm probably the only one
Speaker 1: from like that two or five Live era to go
Speaker 1: into world heavyweight title status. So crazy, just like yeah,
Speaker 1: so like and if you look at that roster that
Speaker 1: that that crop and talent. I don't think people would
Speaker 1: have like really saw me as that at the time
Speaker 1: there was there has been like I probably would have
Speaker 1: been the last choice or one of the last few
Speaker 1: choices of like one of the guys that could have
Speaker 1: been like the headliner made a Ventor World Champion type
Speaker 1: material in that era, and like I never would say
Speaker 1: like I was like underutilizer and I just didn't have
Speaker 1: enough time there. Like you see a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who are main eventing over there now they had a
Speaker 1: lot of time. It's been a long time to marinate,
Speaker 1: get the character, but also like build equity with the company,
Speaker 1: build time with them, they build like they grow. Like
Speaker 1: that's like Drew McIntyre is a prime example of that
Speaker 1: guy who's like the primest example. Yeah it was there,
Speaker 1: but then got let go up and came back and
Speaker 1: then like Okay, now he has a lot more time
Speaker 1: and tenure, so now he can like grow with the audience,
Speaker 1: grow with the roster, with the staff, with the marketing
Speaker 1: team departments also made me like him, and I was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out Drew. He's a good home as a home,
Speaker 1: he's a homie. But yeah, like it's just like it's
Speaker 1: just like with that place, it's just about time and
Speaker 1: equity and putting in like just he's building chemistry and
Speaker 1: trust within that organization. And I just didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time there, and then they didn't allow me
Speaker 1: a lot of time. If I would have, who knows
Speaker 1: what I would have been doing over there. Still, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe maybe it wouldn't have gotten better. Maybe
Speaker 1: it would have, but like that's just that's how the
Speaker 1: business works with these things. And I just got I
Speaker 1: took my opportunity and I built time in equity with Tony,
Speaker 1: and Tony trusted me from day one. Tony like literally
Speaker 1: was like day one, I like, I have plans for you,
Speaker 1: and I want to put you on to do what
Speaker 1: you do, be you be yourself and go out there
Speaker 1: before him because that's what I'm getting. That's why I'm
Speaker 1: like bringing you in here to do Yeah it's oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well so that's one thing like with Tony is it
Speaker 2: feels like he's like as much as he's a very
Speaker 2: successful guy, very wealthy guy, it feels like when he's running, aw,
Speaker 2: he runs like he's like a fan first which I
Speaker 2: think is a very cool approach to like wrestling, because
Speaker 2: we've always seen like certain people were like, man, I
Speaker 2: wish that guy would get over, that guy would get
Speaker 2: an opportunity. And I feel like Tony is the guy
Speaker 2: who's on Twitter like I wish that guy would get
Speaker 2: an opportunity, was right, But he's running the company. What
Speaker 2: is like the like what do you think are the
Speaker 2: misconceptions about Tony Kahan? And like what are what are
Speaker 2: some things that like you've already kind of learned just
Speaker 2: being so close to somebody like that who's a powerful guy.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy that likes good wrestling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like he's literally like as far as
Speaker 1: like what he likes, he's one of the fans and
Speaker 1: when it comes to that, he just likes to see
Speaker 1: good wrestling. Uh, And that's what all EAT wrestling's mainly about,
Speaker 1: Like how you went over the fan base is like
Speaker 1: you gotta do it in the ring. Like there's certain
Speaker 1: guys and certain people, certain acts and certain performers. They
Speaker 1: get opportunities to do it another different ways and that's great,
Speaker 1: but like, ultimately it's a wrestling company. It's literally like
Speaker 1: primarily wed they had the best wrestling and to be like,
Speaker 1: to be the top of that card, be the top
Speaker 1: of the company, you gotta perform. And in the time
Speaker 1: when all EAT Wrestlings started, that was kind of deprived
Speaker 1: on national television.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure a while, you know, definitely a dark
Speaker 2: air over at the other.
Speaker 1: Like and but they've always had great talent though for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, it was just like the product was primarily
Speaker 1: something what they wanted. They wanted to present, something that
Speaker 1: was sports entertainment. That's what they built the bread and
Speaker 1: butter from right, you know, that's what they do and
Speaker 1: like nobody does it better than them. We wanted to build,
Speaker 1: build our narrative, our alternative to what's unique to us
Speaker 1: and what we the fan base was missing at the
Speaker 1: time and what the industry needed. And it was just like,
Speaker 1: we need an alternative. We need someplace where even people
Speaker 1: that are over there that really wanted to break out
Speaker 1: and just deliver the type of wrestling they wanted to do,
Speaker 1: not the type of wrestling that they want to show,
Speaker 1: the type of wrestling they wanted to do, show their
Speaker 1: art and all the wrestling gave them that. And seeing
Speaker 1: Moxley come over, you know, like feeling showing his rejuvenation
Speaker 1: in the wrestling, rejuvenated Adam Cole, rejuvenated myself, rejuvenated, and
Speaker 1: letting the creators and the artists create in Christian the
Speaker 1: art Christian like showing like another like, man, he can
Speaker 1: run with this thing another five ten years if he
Speaker 1: wanted to know just the hell of a heel. He
Speaker 1: always was such a good heel too, right, But also
Speaker 1: aw allowed him to like really push the boundaries on
Speaker 1: the material as well, you know, like there's certain like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's certain stuff that you guys, yeah, yeah, even the
Speaker 1: source material, like you can't say certain things like talking
Speaker 1: about dead fathers and stuff like, there's certain ways you
Speaker 1: can't like really go in a WW with aw Tony.
Speaker 1: Really he gets a kick out of like pushing the
Speaker 1: boundaries a little bit more and on national television, and
Speaker 1: you know that's where competition always really stem from and
Speaker 1: pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you, like when you get over there, right,
Speaker 2: because you know it's so hard.
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm I love watching wrestling.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I have a surface level understanding what's
Speaker 2: going on aw at all times. But like I told
Speaker 2: you before, the started like, it's it's harder for me
Speaker 2: to watch it because I don't have cable and shit,
Speaker 2: but I love wrestling. I watch I watch every pay
Speaker 2: per view I watch. I go to fucking I try
Speaker 2: to go to at least three or four a year.
Speaker 2: It like, what for like, could you kind of like
Speaker 2: give me an idea of what it's like like you
Speaker 2: get to aw what are the things that you know,
Speaker 2: you feel like, Okay, I have to do this, this
Speaker 2: or this to start to make the fans give a
Speaker 2: fuck about me? Because to me, that's the hardest thing
Speaker 2: is like there's so many guys that are really good
Speaker 2: at wrestling, and they can put on great matches, they
Speaker 2: could take great bumps, they can make guys look good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like the the.
Speaker 2: X factor is like how do you get the people
Speaker 2: to give a fuck about you like that?
Speaker 1: Because that's where this comes into play. That's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 2: And to me, that like, like you said, you didn't
Speaker 2: have time to even figure that out really with WWE,
Speaker 2: So like what were the things that you were able
Speaker 2: to kind of like conscientiously do to kind of like
Speaker 2: make people really give a fuck?
Speaker 1: For me, it was always about like what lane isn't
Speaker 1: being taken up for me? That's where I first think
Speaker 1: in smart I look at I observe the landscape of
Speaker 1: like everything. I start with my home base, which was
Speaker 1: ALI Wrestling. I look at the roster, male female managers, groups, factions,
Speaker 1: management managers. I look everywhere. Then I look at the archetypes.
Speaker 1: What archetypes are being taken up. You know the jocks,
Speaker 1: there's the right you know, the artists. Then there's the
Speaker 1: dark characters of the House of Black. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: look at all these types of things, I'm like, Okay.
Speaker 1: Then it's like where do I fit in with these things? Where?
Speaker 1: And then also like, what's what's something unique about myself
Speaker 1: that I know that I truly know about myself that
Speaker 1: I can really portray and display to the world in
Speaker 1: my way? Where's my voice? So like, look at this
Speaker 1: like it's als the music industry. Look at all these albums.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all these albums that you see right here
Speaker 1: tell different stories. They have different archetypes, they tell they
Speaker 1: have different looks, right, just like how does a speaker
Speaker 1: box like stand out to a Ready to Die from Biggie?
Speaker 1: How does a college drop out with Kanye West stand
Speaker 1: toe to toe with the Carter with Wayne, Right, how's
Speaker 1: the chronic with the dog Pound and like all these things.
Speaker 1: So you're just looking at like where can I get in,
Speaker 1: where I fit in? Figure it out. Then of course
Speaker 1: it's aw has to be proven in the ring. You
Speaker 1: got to go out there and wrestle your ass. You
Speaker 1: got to prove it in the ring. You got to
Speaker 1: prove in the ring. Promos are amazing, and I would
Speaker 1: say it's sixty.
Speaker 2: Forty wrestling to promo or promo to wrestling.
Speaker 1: Wrestling to promo sixty percent in the ring forty percent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: another place is like more maybe flip the other way,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you know for sure.
Speaker 2: But now there's been guys that's been ninety ten promo
Speaker 2: to wrestling.
Speaker 1: And they've had long, illustrious careers. Something of them happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: some people like and there's very few people like that
Speaker 1: can do that. Like even a MJF. He's like heavy promo,
Speaker 1: heavy heavy promo, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he goes out there, he proves it in the ring
Speaker 1: and he wrestles his ass off and he shows out.
Speaker 1: You know, so I got a hell of a tan
Speaker 1: when he was away by the way, Oh yeah, brutal.
Speaker 1: He came out said, he looks like he came straight
Speaker 1: from King Cool. Yeah, oh yeah, probably was, you know,
Speaker 1: like all that rest man. But but he was also working.
Speaker 1: His body shows it, you know, he looks great. But
Speaker 1: uh so then you also got to find out once again,
Speaker 1: you start all over again in the ring, where do
Speaker 1: I find? Where do I fit in? Where Lane is
Speaker 1: being taken up the luchadors, they're killing it, like it's
Speaker 1: very hard to compete with like a vikingo a Phoenix.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna out to the lutators. Then, just like
Speaker 1: the grappling and the Greco Roman style, like well, Brian
Speaker 1: dance is the best in the world at that, you know,
Speaker 1: so and you just kind of like narrow it down.
Speaker 1: So it's just for me, It's just like something that's
Speaker 1: really I like film. I'm a big fan of like
Speaker 1: film and horror. So I was like, hmmm, horror mixed
Speaker 1: with a hip hop mogul. That's two different genres. But
Speaker 1: if I bleed these together, I can kind of create
Speaker 1: something very unique in something that's never been done, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe like I don't remember that ever, but just
Speaker 1: for that sake. It's just like it's so far fetched,
Speaker 1: and like if you say it out there, it's like
Speaker 1: you said a lot was like, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: How do you make that happen? It's like, okay, take
Speaker 1: like a Snoop Dogg bones shouts of Bones man, how
Speaker 1: great of an actor? Snoop wasn't true, but it fits.
Speaker 1: Then I'll take like I'm a Wesley Snipe fan. Then
Speaker 1: there's like a New Jack City, a blade, a demolition man.
Speaker 1: So there's all these like little elements. I'm like, these
Speaker 1: are images that I like that almost like you're putting
Speaker 1: your mood board together kind of in a sense. But
Speaker 1: it's just I never put anything on that, but like
Speaker 1: you know, mentally, you're like, it's just like that's what's
Speaker 1: going on in my head. I'm just throwing all these
Speaker 1: things out there.
Speaker 2: And you're also like, you also do hip hop, like
Speaker 2: in real.
Speaker 1: Life, right right right? So I'm like, how do I be?
Speaker 1: Like and I know, like the claim to had like
Speaker 1: the hip hop the rapping thing going on. So I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, how do I do? I'm still hip hop,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to. I want to be something
Speaker 1: business sense, So I was mogile kind of doing a
Speaker 1: lot of things as it is, like acting and podcasting
Speaker 1: and music and all the music videos. I direct them
Speaker 1: all my music videos, producing and all that stuff, so
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a mobile thing. So I just
Speaker 1: came up with mogul to feel like just something bigger
Speaker 1: than just rapping. So that's how that came about. And
Speaker 1: then there was like elements like when after the all
Speaker 1: In matches and going in the coffin and stuff, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a big fan of Sweeney Todd, so
Speaker 1: I was like, let me add a little like darkness
Speaker 1: to the eyes, make me feel a little let me
Speaker 1: go sink a little more deeper into the character and
Speaker 1: darken it up a little bit more to feel like,
Speaker 1: all right, something's different about Swerve than any other person
Speaker 1: on this roster, and he's given me a different tone
Speaker 1: and feel. But I never actually tell you what it is.
Speaker 1: I want the fans to kind of like go through
Speaker 1: go each week, but I want them to go back
Speaker 1: and try to find and trace through where this really
Speaker 1: crept in and really started. So now you're kind of
Speaker 1: having fans doing their own like picking apart and find
Speaker 1: it like kind of like like like once again, when
Speaker 1: we used to buy albums, like in the day, we
Speaker 1: used to go through the booklet for sure who yeah,
Speaker 1: who produced, what the art, who's did the art direction,
Speaker 1: who did this?
Speaker 2: Let me look at the thank yous, who got thanked,
Speaker 2: who got who the credit is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of want that fans to do that
Speaker 1: with me the character, rather than just like look at
Speaker 1: me and see what you're getting, like, oh, we like them,
Speaker 1: but what's more there? There's something more deeper. Let me
Speaker 1: go out and find and search what's deeper with Swerve.
Speaker 2: Do you remember like the first like real crowd pop
Speaker 2: you got where you were like, oh.
Speaker 1: It's working. Oh. I would honestly say, like when I guarante,
Speaker 1: like I was getting good reactions and and then like
Speaker 1: we were getting like when when it was really a
Speaker 1: pop was New York, it was a Grand Slam we
Speaker 1: had I would I didn't wrestle on Grand Slam, but
Speaker 1: we had the local Embassy Gates of Agony. They wrestled
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks and Hangman Page and Rampage that night.
Speaker 1: So Grand Slam is arthur as Stadium, big, big, big venue.
Speaker 1: We were coming out pretty late on the show on
Speaker 1: Rampage and so the gates and agony and nine, I'll
Speaker 1: go out to do their match. I come out in
Speaker 1: the middle, like right before commercial break. I come out
Speaker 1: in the middle of it to interrupt and pause distraction
Speaker 1: a little bit. I come out on this big fur
Speaker 1: coat from Daniels leather, shout out Daniel's leather, and the
Speaker 1: music hits because like they had different music than me,
Speaker 1: so they came out their music, so they didn't get
Speaker 1: ninas dance yet. Middle of the match, my music hits.
Speaker 1: Now I stops, looks up the ramp and goes Boom
Speaker 1: starts hitting the dance, and the whole crowd starts doing
Speaker 1: it with like in unison like Boom. I was like,
Speaker 1: we got it. Now, we got him, Now we got something.
Speaker 1: Now we got him. That's when I knew that was
Speaker 1: like it was unless necessarily the crowd pop, but it
Speaker 1: was the crowd interaction and the wave of just all
Speaker 1: like I said, big venue, you can see it from
Speaker 1: like here all the way up to the top and
Speaker 1: like different parts. Then from that city forward, it was
Speaker 1: just happening in every city and it's like, now I
Speaker 1: hit that thing, tonight, do it? Do it? And that's
Speaker 1: the thing that's where like a w they kind of
Speaker 1: like they reward that feeling. It's like, all right, no,
Speaker 1: this is working. I'm not going to pull you back
Speaker 1: like it's going go with it, flow, do your thing, yo.
Speaker 2: You Uh we talked a little bit about this when
Speaker 2: I ran into a rolling cloud. But you had this
Speaker 2: match where you were bleeding and the dude was tasting
Speaker 2: your blood.
Speaker 1: Out of your face. Oh yeah yeah full gear.
Speaker 2: Uh well, kind of like you kind of said it
Speaker 2: a little bit like you guys knew that was gonna.
Speaker 1: Happen, do you? Everyone got tested to make sure you know, well,
Speaker 1: every we get and pretty much every pat for.
Speaker 2: People who don't know, there's like you guys are having
Speaker 2: this match and then you're bleeding out of your face
Speaker 2: and then the dude you're wrestling, who was it, Hayman
Speaker 2: Hangman Page starts like pretty much like fountaining, founting, fountaining
Speaker 2: out of your face and drinking your blood. Which it's
Speaker 2: it's the most like hardcore ass shit I've seen. Sin's
Speaker 2: like I was a little kid watching like backyard wrestling
Speaker 2: at easy w but I remember how viral it went,
Speaker 2: But like can you kind of like whose idea was that?
Speaker 2: And like were you hesitant about doing it? Like kind
Speaker 2: of walk me through like the build up to that
Speaker 2: idea actually coming.
Speaker 1: To hesitant on a lot of things. As you can
Speaker 1: go through my history once again, if you want to
Speaker 1: look up my history, you see me do some wild
Speaker 1: shit in the wrestling world. It was just like we're
Speaker 1: so deep in the feud. Is like he was so
Speaker 1: enraged that it was almost like a disrespectful thing, Like
Speaker 1: it just be such a shock value. Like that's how
Speaker 1: crazy I pulled him into my world. If you know
Speaker 1: Hangman Page, he's always been like through the history of
Speaker 1: ALI wrestling, he's been like one of the truest like
Speaker 1: goodie two shoes type guys, Like he had like a
Speaker 1: drinking problem as on camera and stuff. But through all
Speaker 1: and all, he always came out doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: He had morals, he there's lines he didn't cross. He
Speaker 1: was like an upstanding citizen and the passion of he
Speaker 1: was the passion in the heart of ALI wrestling. And
Speaker 1: then you pulled him into the darkness. I pulled him
Speaker 1: so far into being into my world because I wanted
Speaker 1: to get into this spot. He was a former world
Speaker 1: a former world champion. I wanted that spot so bad
Speaker 1: that I was willing to do whatever I had to
Speaker 1: do and manipulate whoever I had to manipulate, which just
Speaker 1: happened to be Hangman, because he was kind of like coasting.
Speaker 1: He was like just riding the way of his contract
Speaker 1: and stuff and just yes, boss, I do whatever I
Speaker 1: need to do. And he was complacent, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be complacent, I'm not. I'm still
Speaker 1: I'm starving over here, and you're getting out of shape
Speaker 1: eating like you know what. I mean, you've been eating
Speaker 1: for a while. Now. I deserve that spot. And if
Speaker 1: you're not going to, if you're just one to like coast,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move you out of the way and take it.
Speaker 1: And it came true. It came true. And I crossed boundaries,
Speaker 1: like going into his house, like talking to his infant
Speaker 1: child in the crib. That's so fucking crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: recording it?
Speaker 2: Can can Tony Khan work out the streaming deal so
Speaker 2: I could catch up on all this shit?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean those are on YouTube, you can
Speaker 1: always you could check those out as much as you want.
Speaker 1: But like, I crossed the boundaries and I pushed things
Speaker 1: to level where he became sold. Yeah, what the fu? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I threw my merch shirt in this crib, so like
Speaker 1: just put wishing the boundaries so much where I violated
Speaker 1: a man's home insecurity as a man. Oh no, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's you will be pushed to you crazy, crazy lengths.
Speaker 1: So that's where like I'm disrespecting you so much I
Speaker 1: want to take something from you.
Speaker 2: So like you brought him to such a dark place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like so like it wasn't just like oh,
Speaker 1: blood drinking.
Speaker 2: It was just like no, what I'm saying, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like when you guys, whose idea was that?
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to guess it was his.
Speaker 2: So like when you guys take that to Tony does
Speaker 2: Tony like yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's just like what you see or you guys
Speaker 1: just do it on the spot. So Tony con didn't
Speaker 1: know that was gonna happen.
Speaker 2: No, wow, imagine you're the owner and like, yo, these
Speaker 2: fuckers are out here drinking blood.
Speaker 1: In the first five minutes of the match. It was
Speaker 1: pretty It's like, what's our hook to keep them glued
Speaker 1: to watch the rest of this match? I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there is not me just getting stapled in the face and.
Speaker 2: Is that what would that be like a normal I
Speaker 2: guess being in both companies, is it normal that in
Speaker 2: rest sing where you guys will have a spot like
Speaker 2: that that's so extreme or crazy that the higher ups
Speaker 2: wouldn't know about it.
Speaker 1: There's some that can that can backfire sometimes and it
Speaker 1: has in both companies, like you know, like uh like,
Speaker 1: but once again, when you're with somebody that's kind of
Speaker 1: like trusted with the ball like me I was with
Speaker 1: the Hang Them Page helped create this damn company, you
Speaker 1: could afford to take those little risks like over there,
Speaker 1: if you're in the ring with Dwayne Johnson, don't take
Speaker 1: the risk. I mean you can, Yeah, you can't. He
Speaker 1: can afford to say this. He can do it. He
Speaker 1: can do it. But when you're in there with them,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, I got it. Like so you kind
Speaker 1: of like you kind of ride the backs of like
Speaker 1: the guys that got the pull. So for me, it
Speaker 1: was just like I feel like we can push things
Speaker 1: a little bit more, like like when I was in
Speaker 1: the ring with Darby. Tarby has a lot more tenure
Speaker 1: and a lot more trust than I did at the time.
Speaker 1: So like with Darby was like I want to push
Speaker 1: the push this a little bit, and like Darby Derby's
Speaker 1: Darby want to push the boundaries no matter what you know,
Speaker 1: and so you kind of want to like those are
Speaker 1: opportunities to be like I mean, they just it's risky.
Speaker 2: He just set someone on fire with a flamethrower like
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 1: I mean, like nobody else is going to get that
Speaker 1: kind of what the fuck is going on? Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like not a lot of people get that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But it's like once again, like he has tenure,
Speaker 1: he has trust, and he's always been a great performer,
Speaker 1: like Hangman Page is always been a great performer. So
Speaker 1: they kind of have that, like that trust with the UH,
Speaker 1: with the Tony Khan and with the aw to do
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and the fan base welcomes it
Speaker 1: because they had that trust with the fan base as well. Yo,
Speaker 1: what was it like? Uh?
Speaker 2: Give me like like when you were at the old place,
Speaker 2: Like did you have any sort of interaction with Vince
Speaker 2: when he was there?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like how was Vince? Because obviously the story comes out
Speaker 2: it's fucking crazy, which we all knew, and then Vince
Speaker 2: just got who just dropped named uh and JF just
Speaker 2: said his name on a w during his promo.
Speaker 1: Once again, I talked about that trust and have a tenure.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if you get that guy hot Mike,
Speaker 2: no one knows what the fuck is gonna have exactly.
Speaker 1: But like was like, what was.
Speaker 2: It because I always I feel like like everybody.
Speaker 1: Kind of knew.
Speaker 2: Like the way he ran the company was very like
Speaker 2: if you're big, if you look a certain way, you're
Speaker 2: going to get the benefit of the doubt, whether or
Speaker 2: not you could wrestle good or not, et cetera. Like
Speaker 2: it was more about image and selling T shirts and
Speaker 2: ship Like, what was your experience around Vince?
Speaker 1: Not a lot? It wasn't a lot, right, No, Like
Speaker 1: I've I've had like one or a couple of conversations
Speaker 1: with them. I went to Titan Towers and spoke with
Speaker 1: Lauren Ightis and stuff. But and like literally was a
Speaker 1: wild alleged but yeah, like been in offices with them,
Speaker 1: like as the hit Row crew, you know, all together, Vince.
Speaker 1: I've only talked to Vince when I was like the
Speaker 1: hit Row crew. Once again, this was like by the
Speaker 1: time they already let go of BEFAB and it was
Speaker 1: just me shanting dollar and we were just all like
Speaker 1: just talking with them, told us how like things are ran.
Speaker 1: It's like a little private conversation how things are ran.
Speaker 1: This is where like we do what we don't do
Speaker 1: things this like this boom boom boom. And like I was, like,
Speaker 1: I have asked them a couple of questions. I talked
Speaker 1: to them like a regular regular dude. Like like the
Speaker 1: thing about like with me is just like I'm not
Speaker 1: going to like I understand, I always respect authority. I've
Speaker 1: came up in the military and I know like my
Speaker 1: chain of command and I understand those type of things
Speaker 1: and stuff. But like I'm when it comes to my
Speaker 1: job and my passion and what my something I've been
Speaker 1: doing for like fifteen years and like I'm I'm super
Speaker 1: confident about that and I exude that and I stand
Speaker 1: on my work and I'm always going to stand on
Speaker 1: that no matter who I talk to, whether I'm talking
Speaker 1: to Tony Connavincement, man a Triple H is Sean Michaels,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me. So I talked to him
Speaker 1: straight equal and like if you don't like if I
Speaker 1: was never disrespectful to him, but if I'm always gonna
Speaker 1: ask questions to inquire, and I'm also going to if
Speaker 1: i'm if I'm you know, I'm always going to like
Speaker 1: necessarily speak what I feel is like right now, what
Speaker 1: I feel is like, Okay, this is something I just
Speaker 1: want to I just want to know I can always acquire.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's ever going to question or like
Speaker 1: punish someone for inquiring to how to make their job,
Speaker 1: improve their job and do better. And if that's like
Speaker 1: costly or anything, I'm like, Okay, cool, that's I'm always
Speaker 1: going to find work. I'm always going to be like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you can never be afraid to lose
Speaker 1: your job. That's how good you have to be. That's
Speaker 1: how I feel. That's how like you from real. If
Speaker 1: you're if you're that good man, don't be afraid to
Speaker 1: lose you You're going to always land on your phone,
Speaker 1: all right? Cool? Like I'm a I'm like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make I'm going to make you feel like, damn,
Speaker 1: I wish we had him here.
Speaker 2: Has anybody in the brass, the management brass over there now,
Speaker 2: because obviously you know Shawn Michaels, by the way, was
Speaker 2: just on TV with Sexy Read last night.
Speaker 1: Out sexy read in Sewan because that was Did you
Speaker 1: see that she was in the VAM Why did you
Speaker 1: not that she was amazing? Shout of them.
Speaker 2: But has anybody reached out and just congratulated you since
Speaker 2: you got the title?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the Triple H shoots you a text.
Speaker 1: People reach it out nice, they show love like still like, I.
Speaker 2: Never you have so many friends over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never left it with a bad rapport. Like
Speaker 1: even like you know, like I'll still Sean Michaels and
Speaker 1: me still say like Happy Father's Day, Happy Birthday and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cool to have that sewn. Michaels is a
Speaker 2: He's probably my number two favorite wrestler of all time.
Speaker 1: He's definitely one of my favorites. Like I'll still like
Speaker 1: send an emoji in an IG story to Paul Hayman
Speaker 1: and it will respond back. He's like, you know, what'd
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, obviously you're an aw guy, but did
Speaker 2: you did you? I was at I was at the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame when he did his speech.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see it all I saw like
Speaker 1: once again, Twitter, nah Man.
Speaker 2: I watched the whole thing unedited live and I was
Speaker 2: just like, well, me and my son were like in
Speaker 2: Philly and I was like, man, it was like Friday
Speaker 2: night and I was like, I'm fucking tired.
Speaker 1: We got into town in the morning.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, we got the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame, Like we can go do I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, fuck it, We'll go to Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame because it was SmackDown and Hall of Fame. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh And I remember like it ran late, you know,
Speaker 2: it was like we left after I think the rock
Speaker 2: ended up going on like at the end, but I
Speaker 2: remember just seeing the Paul Hamish. I'm like, this was
Speaker 2: worth it because.
Speaker 1: He was main. I feel like that man is always
Speaker 1: worth the price of a mission anything he does.
Speaker 2: What is it like having a manager or having a
Speaker 2: guy who like a confidant, who's who you know? I
Speaker 2: would because to me, if I ever got into wrestling,
Speaker 2: that's the gig you were able to you know, how
Speaker 2: to take some bumps, you get to talk your ship,
Speaker 2: but you don't get fucked up in the ring. But
Speaker 2: now you have a man like what.
Speaker 1: Is that like? Is that pretty not? Was my first
Speaker 1: ever manager I've ever had in my career.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, like, now you have a guy,
Speaker 2: and like not anybody, not just anybody can get a guy.
Speaker 1: That's you know what I mean? Like for me, I
Speaker 1: feel like it's like how like what is me? What
Speaker 1: is me and Nana's relationship to one another? Is he
Speaker 1: a businessman? Is he? Uh? Does he get contracts done?
Speaker 1: Is he a sleazy little like just like a guy
Speaker 1: that like you know, like that runs like what is he?
Speaker 1: What is the relation to Swerve? And what does Swerve
Speaker 1: need that? That's that was one of the questions that
Speaker 1: I asked myself, And like why does Swerve need Nana?
Speaker 1: What what does Nana do for Swerve that Swerve can't
Speaker 1: do for himself. Well, like now we're just asking those questions.
Speaker 1: Now there's a multitude of the things he does. He
Speaker 1: kind of does my bidding for him. He's also my
Speaker 1: moral compass, if you know, toe certain things He's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not right now. Boss, Let's go. Let's get out of
Speaker 1: this because like I'll pop off and start a fight
Speaker 1: and some wild ship right then and there, but not
Speaker 1: as like nope, we got bigger things to handle, or
Speaker 1: like hey, there's some news I need to talk to
Speaker 1: about that happen on collision by the way, you might
Speaker 1: not know. Okay, so now he's my ear to the
Speaker 1: streets too. Then he's like, oh, oh you're in trouble.
Speaker 1: Here's my head, my crown, use it. Okay. So he's
Speaker 1: also like this, you know, then like Trisian's trying to
Speaker 1: drive off and leave him. Nope, He's also a guardian angel,
Speaker 1: so like he I define him on many different things.
Speaker 1: He's also a music person. He's been in my music
Speaker 1: videos and stuff like that. So he's been on interviews
Speaker 1: with me, you know. So he has a multitude of
Speaker 1: different uses and stuff that bail me out when like
Speaker 1: I'm being overwhelmed. What's that your idea or did Tony
Speaker 1: Tony k I want to that's dope. That was all
Speaker 1: Tony Khan. Tony Khan was like, I want to do
Speaker 1: a merger with a Mogul embassy with mogl affiliates in
Speaker 1: the embassy and bring you two together because I think
Speaker 1: we want to get them on all the wrestling TV
Speaker 1: because they were doing a lot of ring and honor
Speaker 1: and I think you could use heaters to be around
Speaker 1: found you and I think not on you compliment each
Speaker 1: other very well, and I was like, Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: the boss wants, That's what we're going to do. Now
Speaker 1: It's like, now, how do I blow this up to
Speaker 1: more than just like hey, hi, hi guys, we're I
Speaker 1: guess we're working together. Yeah, the teacher is putting us
Speaker 1: together to do this assignment. Like how do we like
Speaker 1: so we want to get a A? Of course, and
Speaker 1: I think we wanted. We wanted. Our achievement is always
Speaker 1: to get a A. But we had C level expectations
Speaker 1: and I think we passed and exceeded. I think we
Speaker 1: exceeded that because when we first started, I heard some
Speaker 1: comments and like this where doesn't need that? Like what
Speaker 1: what did these guys? What do they do? And then
Speaker 1: like it's started growing. Then we started doing more devious
Speaker 1: stuff on television, and I think that's where it really
Speaker 1: really began. It was like, how do these guys interact
Speaker 1: outside of the ring, like, because that's where a lot
Speaker 1: of fans like want to we really become in tune
Speaker 1: with the characters on television. How do these peop react
Speaker 1: in real life scenario? You know it's real? You know,
Speaker 1: like how does Roman talk with Paul? Like how does
Speaker 1: like you know, how does I think One thing with
Speaker 1: a w was how does m JF and Adam Cole
Speaker 1: interact outside of this all those like throwing, playing dodgeball,
Speaker 1: they challenging each other to drinking like alcohol back and forth,
Speaker 1: and then going on fishing trips. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel more close to these guys because they are
Speaker 1: interacting outside of just the wrestling rings. So there's a
Speaker 1: little bit more to them. So when they do wrestle,
Speaker 1: you understand the dynamic and you have.
Speaker 2: More It's almost like it's almost like more than ever.
Speaker 2: The fans are in on, like they're not just in
Speaker 2: on whatever they see on TV right the.
Speaker 1: Whole Like if I can put put it back to music.
Speaker 1: We see artists perform on stage, but what we really
Speaker 1: want to see is how they are in the studio
Speaker 1: working in a song. We want to see that BTS.
Speaker 1: We want to see like the Hard Knocked Life Tour.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's what they're doing back there. Oh
Speaker 1: that's why I like, Yeah, that's what made those artists
Speaker 1: movie that backstage. Yeah it was crazy, and it's like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be a rapper because this is the life
Speaker 1: I want to see. This is what I want to experience,
Speaker 1: and like, maybe some are doing stuff that you wouldn't do,
Speaker 1: and maybe some are acting the way that you're like
Speaker 1: you anticipated them to act, but you wasn't sure, and
Speaker 1: now you're like, you know what, that's exactly what I
Speaker 1: would do DMX with it. That's exactly how I would
Speaker 1: be like acting backstage if I was in that position,
Speaker 1: that lifestyle and that industry. And so now you're kind
Speaker 1: of like connect with them a little more as people.
Speaker 1: For you, what was first for you? Was it pursuing
Speaker 1: wrestling or music. I didn't start pursuing music till like
Speaker 1: four years ago. Okay, so the music thing is newer.
Speaker 1: So you were never like writing back in the day. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was gotten in the school notebook. I was like
Speaker 1: listening to those albums up there, and like you were
Speaker 1: just a fan. I was just I was just a
Speaker 1: fan of it, and it was but I would like
Speaker 1: rap along to them, and to the point where I did'
Speaker 1: even I just knew the lyrics. I knew the cadences,
Speaker 1: I knew the rhythm I knew I just knew it.
Speaker 1: I had the muscle memory in the like of just
Speaker 1: like following along to certain lyrics and then like then
Speaker 1: as I got older and more mature with things, I
Speaker 1: could really start like really deciphering like what they're saying,
Speaker 1: why they were saying this, why the like lyrics were
Speaker 1: like being used in a certain tone, what a double
Speaker 1: entendre was. I'm like, oh, that's what I mean. It
Speaker 1: started as also the matrix started being uncoded to me
Speaker 1: a little bit more and more than when I actually
Speaker 1: manteezy my codes to the source of podcast. He really
Speaker 1: like opened my mind to like, this is why you
Speaker 1: do it this way, This is why you do it
Speaker 1: this way. But here try it, do it your way,
Speaker 1: find your way. I'll guide you when you're like kind
Speaker 1: of drifting off and everything. But just right now, just
Speaker 1: it's like learning to paint. It's just like just paint something.
Speaker 1: Just paint something. Just start with a blank canvas and paint.
Speaker 1: And then as I've got more mature, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: I like became great at this, but like I'm still learning,
Speaker 1: but like I'm being I'm still being guided, but it's
Speaker 1: all starting to become a little bit closer, a little
Speaker 1: bit more. And then like getting on songs with like
Speaker 1: Mickey Fax and music Soul Child and Benny the Butcher
Speaker 1: and tried to Mickey Fax he's an alien, Like I've
Speaker 1: done three songs with them, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, he's like quite literally like a
Speaker 2: rap like savant. Yeah, it's like I think he teaches it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I think.
Speaker 1: He teaches it. Like it's so good, like it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And he goes and he goes like like head ahead
Speaker 1: with a Royce a loop, eg, Like he goes head
Speaker 1: to head with these guys and then like him deciphering
Speaker 1: why things are said in the cadence and the inflection
Speaker 1: of boom hitting it right here in the right time.
Speaker 1: Then getting with Flash Garments, who's like heavily in the industry,
Speaker 1: and like like literally in studios with Kanye, in studios
Speaker 1: with Ryan Leslie, traveling with these people Leslie yes, and
Speaker 1: like he's like, all right, now we're going to show
Speaker 1: you how to make records, which is important. Like but
Speaker 1: now I was just like living from like okay, this
Speaker 1: is the local hometown like teacher to like okay, this
Speaker 1: is like the next teacher, and but we're all still
Speaker 1: working at we all still like performed on the Jericho
Speaker 1: Cruise together and it's like Okay, these are my two
Speaker 1: like mentors that really brought me together to do.
Speaker 2: Didn't I just saw, like, did you just do something
Speaker 2: with Fozzy?
Speaker 1: It's coming up?
Speaker 2: I saw I saw for Jericho pust A Flyer and
Speaker 2: like you were on it too.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a random mixture of music that's
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of wrestlings. But but it's like
Speaker 1: that's how that's kind of how like my career has gone.
Speaker 1: It's just like, how does serve get here, like roll
Speaker 1: around a wrestler get on stage? Is it going to
Speaker 1: wrestle and match? Like no, I'm doing music, Like so
Speaker 1: it was like, how did this happen? How does that? Even?
Speaker 1: Jericho was just like I'm shocked that you got that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. So but it's just like finding ways through
Speaker 1: these canals that is this industry and just like you know,
Speaker 1: but once again, it's still a learning process for me.
Speaker 1: But I'm in the right places with the right people,
Speaker 1: like I'm doing. I still come to LA and do
Speaker 1: getting the studio with Chase the money right Chase Chase
Speaker 1: man Like like getting it's a lot of like like
Speaker 1: DJ Flip just throwing beats at me, throwing like it's
Speaker 1: like come in, Well just welcomed me in with like
Speaker 1: open arms. So it's really it's just really awesome. I'm blessed.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about because like I feel like throughout
Speaker 2: the history of like my you know, watching wrestling, like
Speaker 2: wrestling has always been it has always felt in the
Speaker 2: way that like black wrestlers are depicted on TV, it
Speaker 2: has always felt a little racist, Like especially like when
Speaker 2: we were growing up, Like there was always like I
Speaker 2: felt like anybody who would come in would have to
Speaker 2: have like a stick that was like super like stare typical,
Speaker 2: and like.
Speaker 1: It felt like we had two archetypes.
Speaker 2: It was like you were either the blinged out dude
Speaker 2: or like the militant dude. It was like, you know,
Speaker 2: like and obviously, you know, shots of the Rock, who's
Speaker 2: obviously a wrestler of color, kind of broke through a
Speaker 2: lot of that, but you know, shots of Kofe Kingston
Speaker 2: for winning the championship who you know.
Speaker 1: I know that was a big deal, A big deal
Speaker 1: for me for sure, last decade, definitely for me, I
Speaker 1: mean just that whole era of the new Man lastly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. But like for you, like do you
Speaker 2: feel like the industry has finally moved past that weird
Speaker 2: because it really was a thing. When I was growing up,
Speaker 2: I was like dog like.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like Mark Henry was like a mix
Speaker 1: of that too, Like he kind of broke the mod
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, because he was just the world's
Speaker 1: strongest man.
Speaker 2: He was just an athlete, yeah, he was. He was
Speaker 2: a big I'm at Johnson too. When I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I remember watching I'm at Johnson.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't really speak on like what stoped from
Speaker 1: being like the world champion and stuff, but like I
Speaker 1: just remember liking him as a kid. He was just
Speaker 1: a strong dude. He's a strong dude. But like just
Speaker 1: Mark with uh Mark and Booker as the King Booker
Speaker 1: my image, those two like and like the mid two
Speaker 1: thousands early two thousands really broke the mold in a
Speaker 1: sense for like that just at that window that time
Speaker 1: period right there, it was just like they were just good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were just good. They were just good. They were
Speaker 1: just they were just good athletes. And Booker just was
Speaker 1: just like so over the top outlandish, like like of
Speaker 1: a character that he felt like larger than life. He
Speaker 1: just went charger than life with sure. When Mark Henry
Speaker 1: his in ring performance made him larger than life, you know,
Speaker 1: So those guys just like kind of found another niche
Speaker 1: into it outside of those stereotypical things. You know, He's
Speaker 1: like he was black royalty king booker with Charmel his
Speaker 1: black queen. Like you know, there were royal they felt,
Speaker 1: and I always appreciated that for what they did, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back on it and things like that. So for me,
Speaker 1: it was just like once again, how do where do
Speaker 1: I find my lane? And like so like my black
Speaker 1: royalty is like with music in a sense, it's just like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not broke. No, I'm not like ashamed of who
Speaker 1: I am. I'm not ashamed. I can go out and
Speaker 1: speak about like, yeah, I'm a black World champion. I'm
Speaker 1: proud of that. Like, well, what is things? It got
Speaker 1: to be about color? Because it is about color. It is.
Speaker 1: It's not even about me in color. It's about representation
Speaker 1: and the color. It's about inspiring another young black kid
Speaker 1: who's does who's watching right now doesn't think it's possible?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, who doesn't think it's possible or he doesn't
Speaker 1: see himself as that or I like this, I like this,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like I'm somewhat like a swerve,
Speaker 1: but I don't think I can. I don't think I
Speaker 1: could ever get into wrestling and be a world champion
Speaker 1: when now that inspires confidence and that kid, which is
Speaker 1: worth confidence my social media tag for those kind of reasons.
Speaker 1: It's not like, yes, I feel confident about myself, but
Speaker 1: you can too. I want you to feel confident. I
Speaker 1: want you to be inspired and like have your confidence
Speaker 1: grow because a lot of like I was, uh shout
Speaker 1: out Johnny Chris from Drinks with Johnny. I was with
Speaker 1: him yesterday. We had a great conversation about the fact
Speaker 1: that like, how did I grow to getting to where
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at? I was like, well, I didn't set
Speaker 1: like the goal was this or fail. And if you
Speaker 1: look at things when you start, it's so broad, it's
Speaker 1: so big. It's so hard to feel like, how do
Speaker 1: I accomplish this? Because people want to like jump into
Speaker 1: something and they compare themselves to like like a platinum
Speaker 1: record on day two, and I'm like it always happens
Speaker 1: with any industry and every like like universally, not even
Speaker 1: just like and.
Speaker 2: Then you can psych yourself out start feeling really about
Speaker 2: your process and yeah.
Speaker 1: Like even then like if you work like a regular job,
Speaker 1: like you know, like you compare yourself, how do I
Speaker 1: make like CEO on like your third week on the jobs? Like? No?
Speaker 1: For me, how it started off with just like I
Speaker 1: just want to wrestle on my show where I make
Speaker 1: enough money to pay my phone bill for the month. Right,
Speaker 1: that's it simple? And then like okay, cool, Now I
Speaker 1: want to try to pay rent? Yeah, like what if
Speaker 1: I could just what if I could don't have to
Speaker 1: work anywhere else? Right? Right? Like what if I just
Speaker 1: like do enough to Like I just want to get
Speaker 1: on a flyer Now, I want to be the headline
Speaker 1: of the flyer. Now I want to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to win a championship. Now, I want to
Speaker 1: be in the championship of these indie shows. You know what,
Speaker 1: I want to drive out of state to a wrestling
Speaker 1: show and they pay gas money. That would be a
Speaker 1: great accomplishment for me. You know. Now you're driving to
Speaker 1: six different states and that radius. Now now it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to get a flight now,
Speaker 1: maybe someone, maybe I'll be good enough for someone to
Speaker 1: book me and put me on a flight. Oh cool,
Speaker 1: Now I can fly kind of like an hour away. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm getting flights now I want to overseas tour. Now
Speaker 1: your confidence is growing because now you know you can
Speaker 1: make that money. You know you can pay off this,
Speaker 1: you know you can pay rent, you know you can
Speaker 1: now you probably can buy at least a car. So
Speaker 1: now you don't have to bum rides anymore. Now you
Speaker 1: know how Now you know you can afford better gear
Speaker 1: to look better on those too main event to get championships.
Speaker 1: And it's that's how your confidence grows. And that's for me,
Speaker 1: is really where I felt like, I know I can
Speaker 1: do this now when you don't think that you can
Speaker 1: pull something off that you don't think so when I
Speaker 1: get to like, aw, like, no, I know I can
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 2: Is it possible? Like I think about like the correlation
Speaker 2: to the music industry where it's like, yeah, you could
Speaker 2: be independent artists nowadays and like make a good living
Speaker 2: if you kind of have a good fan base and
Speaker 2: you get your merch Right, is it possible to be
Speaker 2: an indie wrestler and kind of exist on the fringes
Speaker 2: of the industry if you're not in one of the
Speaker 2: two main companies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Young Bucks did it for years.
Speaker 2: Because you know, there's like the repro Wrestling Teas dot Com.
Speaker 2: People sell merch on there.
Speaker 1: And the Young Bucks like blew that whole industry up
Speaker 1: out of the water, like back in twenty fifteen, might
Speaker 1: pop up in New Japan, might pop up and do
Speaker 1: a sugar pop up and still sell like two thousand
Speaker 1: shirts at PWG out of boxes, not by the ring, right,
Speaker 1: and then like you know what, maybe we'll just go
Speaker 1: to the UK because we've deprived them of our presence
Speaker 1: and their matches for so long. Let's go over to
Speaker 1: the UK and do a tour with Kenny. It's bring
Speaker 1: Kenny and Elite over there. I was on those shows.
Speaker 1: I wrestled them on those shows, and they sold out,
Speaker 1: Like I remember, they sold merch from the start of
Speaker 1: the show all the way up until past intermission. While
Speaker 1: the matches were still going on. People were still on
Speaker 1: lines buying shirts from them. And we had to face
Speaker 1: them in the main event three matches. That's crazy, three matches.
Speaker 1: They were still because they were selling merch the entire time,
Speaker 1: like y'all, like people don't understand, like y'all talk, like y'all.
Speaker 1: Take the Young Bucks and these guys for granted, like
Speaker 1: these guys were already doing that in like twenty twelve thirteen.
Speaker 1: I was like I was on shows with these guys,
Speaker 1: Like that was a time y'all had to be there,
Speaker 1: like you know, like there was like they were getting
Speaker 1: like their shirts sold in Hot Topic. Yeah I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, and things like that like the Bullet Club,
Speaker 1: you know, AJ styles with them, Finn Balor, you know,
Speaker 1: like candicel Ray got a shirt from them.
Speaker 2: It's so crazy if you think about the Bullet Club
Speaker 2: and like how iconic that logo has become and how
Speaker 2: it's changed and like people have used it for like
Speaker 2: it's like it's and it all started as like the
Speaker 2: wildest indie you know fact should probably ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like man and all the people who came from it,
Speaker 1: they were they weren't They were on the indies making
Speaker 1: six figures bro crazy off of independent wrestling, like being
Speaker 1: able to like wrestle when they felt like it, Russell
Speaker 1: whoever they felt like it, when when wherever they felt
Speaker 1: like it, and like could just like run the dollar
Speaker 1: up like crazy. It was just like that was a phenomenon.
Speaker 1: It was just like man, that there is a way
Speaker 1: to make a living and like not have to be
Speaker 1: in these places to really like buy a house. Buy
Speaker 1: a house off of independent wrestling is insane in California. Crazy.
Speaker 2: Tell me about the grind of wrestling, because I feel
Speaker 2: like it is the most uh. I mean, you guys
Speaker 2: don't get a day off like in terms of like
Speaker 2: now you know there's an off there's no off season
Speaker 2: in wrestling, right, it's this is every week.
Speaker 1: Well, like people people want to be a wrestler until
Speaker 1: they see how much they get paid in the entry
Speaker 1: level of things.
Speaker 2: And then like the level of work where it's like, yo,
Speaker 2: this is your like you're you know, you might have
Speaker 2: a day a week where you can fly home and
Speaker 2: see your family and hang out maybe two.
Speaker 1: Days like yeah, like I haven't been home in like
Speaker 1: five six days just now, and that's not that crazy,
Speaker 1: but like pay per view weeks to get does get
Speaker 1: a little nuts. And then I'm home for like a
Speaker 1: couple of days and I gotta go back on like
Speaker 1: and I have other ventures too, So I got to
Speaker 1: be in like New York for like the House of
Speaker 1: Dragon's premiere with the championship.
Speaker 2: You know, I gotta be you got the belt, so
Speaker 2: you also are like I got to face the company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta. I gotta get in like a day
Speaker 1: or two early to like do these interviews, coming in
Speaker 1: with speak with guys like yourself and like wave the
Speaker 1: flag promote. You know. Then I got it. Then my
Speaker 1: kids live out of state, so I got to stop
Speaker 1: in see my kids, have time with my girls and
Speaker 1: they're getting they're in high school, middle school right now,
Speaker 1: so like get that time. Then back on the road
Speaker 1: because like the turnover time is like oh so once
Speaker 1: a week. I'm like yeah, but the time frame, you
Speaker 1: still got to travel, so like it's yeah, like you
Speaker 1: just snap your fingers and something. No, sometimes I gotta
Speaker 1: be on Collision too, you know, like oh we couldn't
Speaker 1: do that. We couldn't fit this on the show, throwing
Speaker 1: on Collision on Sat Sauce, so you on Saturday. So
Speaker 1: back out around, you know. So like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of it's a lot and the higher you go, the
Speaker 1: more responsibility.
Speaker 2: I feel like, the higher you go, the more I
Speaker 2: mean outside of like the guys who are quote unquote
Speaker 2: part timers, but like the guys are on TV every week,
Speaker 2: You're like shit, man, Like then the house shows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I can't afford that, and I can't
Speaker 1: afford to have a sick day, like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling good. I'm just gonna stay home, Like I can't
Speaker 1: take those sick days. I gotta be out there. I
Speaker 1: gotta like remedy and figure it out, you know. And
Speaker 1: on the entry level of it, it's like you got
Speaker 1: to do that and then train, and then do that,
Speaker 1: and then train and then and then eat and then
Speaker 1: remember you gotta eat, okay on the road, eat on
Speaker 1: the eat like and then eating good on the road
Speaker 1: is expensive, like cheap food is like.
Speaker 2: Cheap food is the best because if it's late, oh,
Speaker 2: we get back to the hotels.
Speaker 1: It's late. Try try to eat finding like salmon at
Speaker 1: twelve one in the morning, good luck, Yeah, broccoli and rice?
Speaker 1: Did you better pack it? You know? So like it's
Speaker 1: it's like you got it. And then finding time to
Speaker 1: work out, like because you've got to work about people
Speaker 1: going to call you a slob if you look on
Speaker 1: TV and then you're Alway's slacking off. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: it as bad, you know, you don't want to show those.
Speaker 2: How many days a week you go to the gym.
Speaker 1: Four to five? Yeah, and they're not like small. They
Speaker 1: like to two hours two and a half hour workouts
Speaker 1: and stuff. So that's when I'm home, like on the road.
Speaker 1: I shortened it because like time is limited. So it's
Speaker 1: like hour at hotel gym. Yeah, hotel gym or do
Speaker 1: you try to find a gym if you have the time?
Speaker 1: If like, because finding a gym, wake up earlier to
Speaker 1: travel to a good gym, right, you know, and and
Speaker 1: also like unless you got hookups at those gyms and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, you know, somebody get a discount of
Speaker 1: not you're paying thirty bucks out of pocket to work
Speaker 1: out at these gyms once again entry level, so thirty bucks,
Speaker 1: then food and then buying your packet hotels sometimes rental,
Speaker 1: then you know, checking bags. That was a lot. Like
Speaker 1: it's small, but it adds up. You know, what do
Speaker 1: your kids think?
Speaker 2: Obviously your daughters I'm sure have watched.
Speaker 1: You grind and grind and grind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the time they're you know, babies to now
Speaker 2: what did they think when you were able to be
Speaker 2: you know, finally get this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my oldest is more emotional. She's in the fourteen okay,
Speaker 1: so she's getting in that stage of like like she's
Speaker 1: she's in basketball heavy into basketball AAU. We pay for
Speaker 1: training or shooting training and like extra training off season training,
Speaker 1: and she appreciates that, but she wants time with her
Speaker 1: dad now. She's like, well I met, like, like, you
Speaker 1: missed a lot of halloweens, you missed a lot of thanksgivings,
Speaker 1: you a lot of things, like I kind of growing
Speaker 1: up without you a little bit. And when I sat
Speaker 1: down my promo a couple of weeks back on Collision,
Speaker 1: that was really real. She does doesn't feel like she
Speaker 1: knows me. It's because of like all the sacrifice. This
Speaker 1: doesn't come without sacrifice nothing, honestly nothing in life. The
Speaker 1: higher you go, you sacrifice way more. So I sacrificed
Speaker 1: a lot of time. So I'm having those conversations with
Speaker 1: my oldest. My youngest is like still like she's twelve,
Speaker 1: so she's still like has that child like wonder tour
Speaker 1: about things she do.
Speaker 2: You have to like tell them like, hey, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna watch me on TV this week.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sometimes I'm just like, no, don't watch this week.
Speaker 1: I'll send like part of the match, like you know,
Speaker 1: certain things. So it's having those adult conversations with your
Speaker 1: kids now, so that's for the stage I'm at. So
Speaker 1: it's like she she likes it, but she's also torn
Speaker 1: from it because because it took away, took time away.
Speaker 1: So now it's like, all right, I gotta get I
Speaker 1: gotta fly home see my kids. But even once again
Speaker 1: flying home, senior kids, I'm not staying at my baby
Speaker 1: mama's house. Like I gotta get to get a hotel, hotel, Airbnb,
Speaker 1: rental for sure, you know, traveling around, so that takes
Speaker 1: money away.
Speaker 2: Talk to me, obviously, you know, Mercedes just got she
Speaker 2: just got the belt to shot to her. I think
Speaker 2: she was the is it the biggest free agency contract
Speaker 2: ever signed at aw and.
Speaker 1: Definitely probably for in the women's like in the women's
Speaker 1: in the women's category, probably both, Like what was it? Awww?
Speaker 2: What's it like having her in the locker room because
Speaker 2: obviously she's had a crazy run doing New Japan and
Speaker 2: like just kind of like I guess a mini version
Speaker 2: of what Cody did when he left, Like just yeah,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: It feel for me, it feels good to have like
Speaker 1: a woman's match so prominent on the show, like as
Speaker 1: one of the trouble main events and stuff. For double
Speaker 1: or nothing. I want. I would love to really see
Speaker 1: them main event like just being a vent period on
Speaker 1: one of the pay per views coming up, because I
Speaker 1: think Mercedes has that muchre star power and we believe
Speaker 1: in her to do that. It feels good to like
Speaker 1: have like that level of like okay, boom the bar
Speaker 1: set right. You always want to set the bar boom,
Speaker 1: you know, And I feel like she's really she's really
Speaker 1: doing that as far as like what's what's it going
Speaker 1: to take to be this champion? Now? It's like you
Speaker 1: can't just settle for just like being good enough. No,
Speaker 1: you got to set the bar and you go like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is where we got to meet it now,
Speaker 1: you know, and you want to do it in unique ways.
Speaker 1: I feel like our World champions are pass former World
Speaker 1: champion set up bar high too. I can't even make
Speaker 1: us at the bar really high for sure, Like you know,
Speaker 1: Moxley three times AW World Champions set the bar in
Speaker 1: that category, you know, being like passionate about our business,
Speaker 1: passionate about our company. You know. Then MJF, like youngest
Speaker 1: AW World champion, set another bar with that rain, you know,
Speaker 1: and like the quality of what he was doing on
Speaker 1: television every week. So I got to find my way
Speaker 1: to set a new bar in my sense of like
Speaker 1: media is one of my ways. I feel like if
Speaker 1: doing that kind of thing in my unique way, and
Speaker 1: then like, okay, there's a new era of aw how
Speaker 1: do I set that bar for the rest of the guys.
Speaker 1: And we have a stacked roster, super ready ready to
Speaker 1: get super at the bit. So I think Mercedes is
Speaker 1: doing the same sense of just like with star Power,
Speaker 1: and then now that she won the championship, had the match,
Speaker 1: now she's going to do it to get in the ring,
Speaker 1: Like all right, do you ladies already super talented, already
Speaker 1: like great names. Now we're going to raise it up
Speaker 1: a little bit more, and not just to compete with her,
Speaker 1: but like literally come up and try to just be
Speaker 1: on that level. I saw, did you see them?
Speaker 2: There's like a meme I saw, And I don't know. Essentially,
Speaker 2: I think Becky Lynch just deals about to be up
Speaker 2: and she's about to be a free agent.
Speaker 1: Maybe she just wants to be home with the kids. Man,
Speaker 1: who knows, who knows who? Maybe she just wanted to
Speaker 1: be home with the kids. Man, Because now, like Seth
Speaker 1: has been hurt. He has surgery and stuff. So now
Speaker 1: they're both they can be at home for like, let
Speaker 1: some people just want to be home like for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah. Let let like like let's not see like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's going to jump to here here here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let let her be home. Let it be a mom,
Speaker 1: Let seth be a dad. Let them be a family
Speaker 1: for like, give them that time because they fucking six
Speaker 1: months or something. They worked hard for it and they
Speaker 1: deserve that for sure, you know, And so I'm always like,
Speaker 1: you let him be family first.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, now that there's like
Speaker 2: this power shift over or uh what they're called the
Speaker 2: Triple Ah era, right, could you see a world in
Speaker 2: the future because I think at Mania a lot of
Speaker 2: fans were hoping that John Moxley was gonna pop out.
Speaker 1: That was funny. I thought that was funny because.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, when I heard the
Speaker 2: Shield music, I stood on the fucking chair.
Speaker 1: I was like, knowing Johnny's probably like.
Speaker 2: But could you ever see a world in which there's
Speaker 2: some sort of like like they're never gonna officially emerge talent,
Speaker 2: but like where there's like some sort of bleeding of
Speaker 2: like the DC and Marvel universe.
Speaker 1: In any way, if there's ever a time it could happen,
Speaker 1: now is more likely than it's ever been. Right. I
Speaker 1: don't think either person is opposed. But if there's ever
Speaker 1: a time like a sor as Tony conn in place,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been a time that's more
Speaker 1: likely than now. That's good to know. The percentages. The
Speaker 1: percentage are higher than the percentage that went from zero
Speaker 1: point zero four point four ticket, and that's more than
Speaker 1: we've ever gotten.
Speaker 2: How much did you love the NFL Draft? When Tony
Speaker 2: Kahan was selling his neck injury during the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Troop pros so good? True, Bro, I was actually at
Speaker 1: the building. I was doing media at Jacksonville Stadium, and
Speaker 1: I saw the setting up everything, So it was really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like Tony's funny, and Tony's great and his dad is
Speaker 1: a big supporter too. I got to meet his dad
Speaker 1: a couple of times. Yeah, I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 2: You guys just get Jackwires tickets anytime you want.
Speaker 1: I get the sweet now too. I mean, you're the champ.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, hopefully they're a little bit bit. He
Speaker 1: introduced me to Roger Goodell too. Football. Yeah. I got
Speaker 1: to meet Kurt Warner the whole month. I n Goodell
Speaker 1: not so, I was there for Sunday and Monday nights.
Speaker 1: Are you a football fan? Big? Yeah? So who's your team?
Speaker 1: I'm a Rams fan?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: Why great to show on turf? Oh okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I was about to say it had to have been
Speaker 2: because of like Isaac Bruce and Marshall.
Speaker 1: I got to meet Kurt Water.
Speaker 2: And what was that Mark Boulger?
Speaker 1: After that? Mark was cool, he was all right, he
Speaker 1: made it, he made a Pro Bowl two. But Kurt
Speaker 1: was the guy like Stephen Jackson. Stephen Jackson like banger
Speaker 1: running backs. Stephen Jackson was a mean ass man. We've
Speaker 1: always had banger running backs. We've had like sure Marshall's
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson to Todd Gurley.
Speaker 2: Gurley was cold, man. Fuck I forgot about Gurley even now.
Speaker 2: What's it the new dude ship?
Speaker 1: I Williams is cool. Yeah, Williamson, he's a he's a
Speaker 1: Kien Williams is cool. When we just drafted Blake Corham,
Speaker 1: so I'm like looking forward to like one two punch,
Speaker 1: Like they're both scatbacks too.
Speaker 2: So that's going to be really well because I'm a
Speaker 2: Cardinals fan, which is we're in the NFC West with
Speaker 2: you guys, and I mean I always tell people it's
Speaker 2: it's nice being.
Speaker 1: The day after actually the full gear match of the
Speaker 1: Bloody Match, I actually went to the Rams game versus Seattle,
Speaker 1: m My first time is so fie. It was like
Speaker 1: it's beautiful, amazing, so crazy. Actually put in a a
Speaker 1: bid for like the Aaron Donald jersey, the signed Super
Speaker 1: Bowl jersey, and like it was like nobody, nobody signed up.
Speaker 1: So I just like won it just flat out. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh cool, So like now I got the
Speaker 1: that jersey and the I was.
Speaker 2: Gonna say, like, it felt like obviously the Rams won
Speaker 2: Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They won one super Bowl with Kurt Right. Yeah. Two
Speaker 1: we went to tow and we gave Tom Brady his
Speaker 1: first wreck.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, obviously you got to experience
Speaker 2: that win. But I'm sure you were just getting into
Speaker 2: the Rams back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, like the mad No. Three say like.
Speaker 2: Fast forward, like because as a Cardinals fan, I would
Speaker 2: not know what it's like to every I'm a Son's
Speaker 2: fan too, I don't know what a championship.
Speaker 1: Feels like in life, none at all. I was so
Speaker 1: close with the Pittsburgh Steelers christ Antonio Holmes, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest touchdown throws ever.
Speaker 2: But they always say like, well, like the Rams traded
Speaker 2: all their all this equity to get to get the
Speaker 2: ring and they got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, they cashed out, they cashed out.
Speaker 2: Is it worth it?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, yes, in this decade, we got it. We
Speaker 1: got one in this day. I tell everybody, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what happens with the Suns.
Speaker 1: I don't care if this owner trades every fucking draft pick,
Speaker 1: if we.
Speaker 2: Get one ring and suck for the next twenty years,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: Dude. Oh my god, it was tragic watching that this year.
Speaker 1: This year, Yeah, it was tragic. I was like Bradley Bell, like,
Speaker 1: I feel like this makes them worse.
Speaker 2: It feels fucking terrible. Not to be nice guy, Yo,
Speaker 2: obviously your hip hop guy. What are your first of all,
Speaker 2: what were your thoughts on the Drake Kendrick Beef.
Speaker 1: Like I said this before on something, I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like one of the things about like Drake
Speaker 1: was already already fighting an uphill battle because we see
Speaker 1: so much of them. He's overexposed. We see so much
Speaker 1: of him for the last fifteen fifteen years. He's always outside,
Speaker 1: so we always kind of know, like even if the
Speaker 1: rumors are true or not.
Speaker 2: True, but there's always something in the air about there's.
Speaker 1: Always something in the air to kind of those have
Speaker 1: those implementations, just play and you know people are going
Speaker 1: to take things. This is running up anyway. We don't
Speaker 1: know what implications are about Kendrick, so right then and there,
Speaker 1: the wave is just like heavily on Kendrick's side, And
Speaker 1: I think just playing into implications is what won Kendrick
Speaker 1: from my and I just thought strategically he just like
Speaker 1: timing was everything, Like bro when when he.
Speaker 2: Dropped family matters and then like forty five minutes later
Speaker 2: the meet the Grahams came out, was like he just
Speaker 2: sucked the life out of the room.
Speaker 1: We were in the car driving around Miami is Me
Speaker 1: Shirt King Fade and Flash and we were like all right,
Speaker 1: we were just sitting there waiting for our food and
Speaker 1: then like Drake just dropped in matters and we got
Speaker 1: in the like, got the food, got in the car,
Speaker 1: listened to it, and then he was like yo, did
Speaker 1: Kendrick just is this fake his ai? No, Kendrick just
Speaker 1: dropped play it and we sat in front of his house.
Speaker 1: We were dropping him off. We sat in his front
Speaker 1: of his house for like an hour and a half
Speaker 1: just listening back from Phoenix during the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, He's said earlier in the day,
Speaker 2: Kendrick drop that freestyle where he like kind of warned
Speaker 2: him like, hey, this is you got some leaks in
Speaker 2: your camp.
Speaker 1: You take it. Whatever you're gonna do tonight, don't do it.
Speaker 1: It's just a friendly fade. You're taking it here, I'm
Speaker 1: taking it. There's something you don't want to do. So
Speaker 1: crazy man. And I think another thing with Kendrick is
Speaker 1: like there's so many quotables. Oh yeah, so many quotables
Speaker 1: on just a Euphori alone.
Speaker 2: They're so Euphouri is my favorite record at all of them,
Speaker 2: because I just thought I thought it was such a methodical.
Speaker 2: It was a kill shot, but also like a literal
Speaker 2: warning shot, like hey man, like there's a friendly fade.
Speaker 2: Don't tell don't tell them lies about me, and I
Speaker 2: won't tell the truth about you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like Drake with the melodies. I don't like
Speaker 1: Drake when he acts us so good Man, what is it?
Speaker 1: The braids? It's like there's so many quotables from Kendrick
Speaker 1: because of the way he says it in his voice
Speaker 1: and the inflections. It's like it's so it's comedic, but
Speaker 1: it's also like it hits, it's sharp. Yeah, so good Man,
Speaker 1: the different flows, the like the shots of Kendrick Man,
Speaker 1: it's just it's still like syllable schemes. Who's your like
Speaker 1: top three or four all time? I mean, is one
Speaker 1: of them? For sure? Sure? Like just on like if
Speaker 1: you want to look numbers and statistics stuff, Drake has
Speaker 1: to be up there and influence alone in the past
Speaker 1: like fifteen twenty years. It has to be Kanye for sure. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like there's so many more artists that could have
Speaker 1: had more influence and from the from like the impact
Speaker 1: that they made. I think Kanye's most influential artist because
Speaker 1: he kept going. Because he kept going, He's influenced the world. Yes,
Speaker 1: more than any artist.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we're talking about like fashion, we're time.
Speaker 1: Like like talking like just walking down the street.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker's walking around with them fucking glasses you couldn't see
Speaker 2: out of back in the fuck.
Speaker 1: Like these, I'm like, I can't see I hate these?
Speaker 1: What is going on? But people were wearing them, like
Speaker 1: the haircuts, like the mohawks, mullet for sure, for all
Speaker 1: things for sure, wearing suits and now like people don't
Speaker 1: even that. People come on stage with full masks. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't even see a face. Yeah, you know that's crazy,
Speaker 1: all right. So you are facing Christian but tonight you're
Speaker 1: facing kill Switch, yes, sir, and a bought HBO sponsored match, Yeah,
Speaker 1: house a Dragon sponsored match. I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I saw the flyer and I wasn't I didn't know
Speaker 2: what the fuck was going on because I was like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, is aw on HBO Max now, because
Speaker 2: that'd be nice, tony kah, but figure that out.
Speaker 1: But it caught your eye, it did. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you get through the Christian thing,
Speaker 2: the thing that everybody's gonna want.
Speaker 1: To see is you VERSU m JF.
Speaker 2: Possibly that feels like the impending collision that's going to have.
Speaker 1: To happen, possibly.
Speaker 2: Assuming you get to hold on to this, you know,
Speaker 2: long enough, which I'm assuming you will.
Speaker 1: But but that would be fun. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun matchups going on right now. There's a lot of like,
Speaker 1: you know what I think, Like, I think all these
Speaker 1: all these matchups are all young, youthful too. True. True,
Speaker 1: we're all with we all came up together and me myself,
Speaker 1: mjf Osprey. We're all in the same like kind of
Speaker 1: age group in the same era. Right. That's why I
Speaker 1: feel like we moved to a different era, to a
Speaker 1: new era. Stuff Like MGFF is a day one guy
Speaker 1: out of three of us, but he's still with the
Speaker 1: in the youthful spot. Yeah, we're still going to have him,
Speaker 1: Jeff for like another decade.
Speaker 2: I thought for sure he was out of there. I
Speaker 2: was at Rumble in Tampa and I was just waiting.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, at least we got Jade. We
Speaker 1: got Ja shout out, shout out, amazing, good big home
Speaker 1: of mine. Like she's great, still doing her thing. Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. I'm always excited to see what she does next,
Speaker 1: always no matter what. But yeah, like our era is
Speaker 1: like so like these these three guys are like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're going to eat good for another sure, the companies
Speaker 1: in good. Yeah, and we all care. We all care
Speaker 1: about one another. We all care about the product. We
Speaker 1: all care about pushing boundaries in our own ways. You know,
Speaker 1: mine is cinematic. Osprays is in the ring, MGF is
Speaker 1: on the microphone.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, Yo, The last thing I wanted to
Speaker 2: ask you. I feel like people don't understand. This is
Speaker 2: more for people who don't understand how hard wrestling is.
Speaker 1: I always say it is like.
Speaker 2: The most physically difficult thing to put on a good
Speaker 2: wrestling match because not only do you well, not only
Speaker 2: do you have to be an athlete at the highest level,
Speaker 2: you have to worry about so many different things happening
Speaker 2: at the same time, you have to make sure you
Speaker 2: protect the person you're wrestling with you it's it's the highest.
Speaker 1: Dangerous skilled choreography.
Speaker 2: Like when you have to hit like certain like spots
Speaker 2: in a match, like it's it's just crazy some of
Speaker 2: the spots that these guys hit on a consistent basis,
Speaker 2: Like you know, for you, if you're wrestling somebody who
Speaker 2: maybe isn't as gifted as you in the ring, is
Speaker 2: it on you to make them look better and to
Speaker 2: make sure because because at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I think my objective is to hurt people. That's what
Speaker 1: my ob objective is. Officially, that's my objective, and that's
Speaker 1: like now my objective is to do it in a
Speaker 1: sense that protects this got it. That's that's how I
Speaker 1: am with it.
Speaker 2: Like, but I was going to say, like for you,
Speaker 2: like to its care it just has to be like
Speaker 2: super fucking difficult man.
Speaker 1: To like like.
Speaker 2: Just I mean for you, like like how long did
Speaker 2: it take you to get to the point where you
Speaker 2: felt very confident to say I could do thirty minutes?
Speaker 1: And like when I honestly when I did thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: it's like you have to do it, like you have
Speaker 1: to get thrown out and thrown out there, and you
Speaker 1: want to do it in spot. You want to do
Speaker 1: it and get thrown out there in moments where they're
Speaker 1: not detrimental with that. This is what the world sees first.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to be doing thirty minutes behind
Speaker 1: behind like maybe on a dark match or like even
Speaker 1: dark matches. I would say, do it, like do it
Speaker 1: on an independent shows match, like like put it, like
Speaker 1: test yourself, push yourself to like go on, like maybe
Speaker 1: it's in front of fifty people first, five hundred people first,
Speaker 1: you know, like nothing crazy, And even if you crash
Speaker 1: and burn, at least it's in front of five hundred
Speaker 1: people instead of five thousand and then five million or
Speaker 1: whatever watching at home or on YouTube, and that it's
Speaker 1: just like no matter what you do after that, we
Speaker 1: always have this match that's like you know, like that
Speaker 1: was your that's we have this in the canal where
Speaker 1: we can like always go back to remember he did
Speaker 1: this in payperview, bombed on there, So like get those
Speaker 1: thirty minute matches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going to miss as spot or just
Speaker 2: so do it off TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like like there's comedians that go into dive bars
Speaker 1: and like, yeah they go work out their shors in
Speaker 1: front of mics. Yeah, before they really take it to
Speaker 1: Netflix and like do their comedies.
Speaker 2: And I think being a wrestler is the most highest
Speaker 2: difficult thing in the entire world to do physically mentally.
Speaker 2: You guys are fucking modern day gladiators. Thank you, appreciate,
Speaker 2: thank you for being I think the artist of the
Speaker 2: highest calid I know. Listen, I always put on Twitter
Speaker 2: wrestling is art wrestling, his artstling art man the highest
Speaker 2: difficulty in.
Speaker 1: The world period. It really, it really is. But when
Speaker 1: it's done right.
Speaker 2: It's like when it's done right, it's so beautiful because
Speaker 2: you have storytelling and then you have the physical aspect
Speaker 2: and there's just so much that goes into it.
Speaker 1: I don't even think people understand. Like, and it's just
Speaker 1: like man like like when all my podcast interview people
Speaker 1: from other different forms of entertainment, we've all come across
Speaker 1: the same struggle and the same like we all kind
Speaker 1: of come together a little more because like we're not
Speaker 1: too far apart and a lot of these ways right, Like,
Speaker 1: like music is the same way. It's like when like
Speaker 1: done poorly, it's like, uh, but when it's done beautiful.
Speaker 2: But you can be but you could be like a
Speaker 2: terrible rapper and like still like you know, go platinum.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you could be like a terrible
Speaker 2: wrestler and like be the world champion, be the world champ.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean shot at Goldberg. Goldberg was terrible. That's
Speaker 1: why I said this is not we're not too far apart, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like shout out to right back. He held a belt
Speaker 1: for a show mente Goldberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're right there, it is, oh man swear, but
Speaker 2: we still had influence.
Speaker 1: He did have influence. I was influenced by Goldberg when.
Speaker 2: We were little kids.
Speaker 1: We were just like, you know, like I want to
Speaker 1: see somebody spear Jack camp, that's all. I'm sure, Just like, well,
Speaker 1: I want to see a minute and a half song,
Speaker 1: shake my ass to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a minute and a half SoundCloud rap song.
Speaker 1: That's what Goldburg was. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, man. I look forward to seeing you
Speaker 2: defend this title. I look forward to your reign as
Speaker 2: the aw Heavyweight Champion, and uh yeah, Like, can we
Speaker 2: just like Tony Kahan, please, for the love of God,
Speaker 2: please just can we get the streaming together. I'll pay
Speaker 2: thirty dollars a month, Like right now, what are we
Speaker 2: doing here?
Speaker 1: Please make we got keV signed on already.
Speaker 2: All my aw watching is on Twitter, that's it.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh shit, what happened? Oh shit, this
Speaker 1: motherfucker got sat on put on YouTube at least at
Speaker 1: the very minimum.
Speaker 2: My wrestling, my whole feed is like basketball, football and
Speaker 2: wrestling on Twitter before you It's all just so. But yo, man,
Speaker 2: I'm happy for you and I look forward to seeing
Speaker 2: you do your thing.
Speaker 1: Bro. Thank you. Yeah, fire, I got motion sickness me
Speaker 1: and flash garments coming soon. There, it is go go
Speaker 1: run that up, run that up.