WEBVTT - 2022 NFL Draft Preview - Defensive Line with Keith Sanchez and Carmen Vitali 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.360 To us buyers touch style by Waddle snucked into the 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.440 end zone of Miami Boy, tight froll, tight window. They 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.760 had to get that touchdown on that play. They get it. 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:19.520 What is up? Dolphans And welcome to the Drive Time Podcast, 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.800 part of the Miami Dolphins podcast network, covering your team, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:28.240 your Miami Dolphins. How's it going? Everybody? I am your host, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.960 Travis Wingfield And on today's show, the Draft Preview series 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.800 rolls right along. I believe we're a little bit over 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.680 halfway done as we welcome and Keith Sanchez from the 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.920 Draft Network to preview this year's edge class and also 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.640 talk about Emmanuel Ogba, Andrew van Ginkel, Jalen Phillips and 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.600 the rest of that Dolphin's edge position. Can they bolter 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.800 some depth and add some bodies at the spot this 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:53.600 upcoming draft? If they can, We'll tell you which players 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.160 can possibly fit. That script with Keith Sanchez and a 0:00:57.240 --> 0:01:00.440 special two part edition of the Drivetime Podcast previewing this 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.160 year's draft, We're also gonna welcome and fellow the Draft 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.480 Network employee Carmen and Vitally to talk about the defensive 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.960 tackle so all across the d line. On this edition 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:12.160 of the Draft Time Podcast from somewhere in South Florida. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:19.760 This is the Drive Time podcast. You guys know the 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.920 drill by. Now, let's not waste any more time and 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:25.120 get to my guest today. Draft Networks own Keith Sanchez 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.360 and joining me now is a senior NFL draft analyst 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.880 for the Draft Network. He was part of the twenty 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.480 nineteen l s U Tigers national championship team and spent 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.119 some time in the personnel department there in Baton Rouge 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.120 as well. Keith Sanchez, Keith, thank you so much for 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.800 being here, my friend, oh man, thank you. How's everything going. 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:45.640 It's going good. You know, I was gonna ask you 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:47.920 so down here in South Florida. I I'm new to 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.640 the area a couple of years in. But when the 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:51.680 seasons start to kind of change, and it's funny saying 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.120 seasons in South Florida, but when it gets from cold 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:56.800 to kind of hot and back and forth, my allergies 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.200 kick up really bad. I didn't expect that. I was curious. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.760 Is it the same way in Louisiana? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.640 it's the same as that we but I'll probably say 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.040 you you might enjoy a whole lot better in Miami. 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.160 Just you know, you got the palm trees, you got 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.560 South Beach, so it's definitely worth the allergy and take right. Yeah, 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.079 of course, I mean I'm complaining about eighty degree weather 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.360 in April, which back home where I'm from in Washington 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.200 State at snowing today, so we can't complain it all there. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.000 But uh, this this is a draft preview podcast. But 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.520 we've also been looking at the roster first with the 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.000 Dolphins here, since you know, a lot of the roster 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.960 building has been done so far, the draft kind of 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.240 was used to upgrade with some veterans. And I want 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.320 to start with a guy on our roster here that 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:39.560 got a nice extension this offseason after two really good 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.800 years so far with the Miami Dolphins, two career years. Really, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:44.679 what have you seen when you watch the tape of 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.720 Emmanuel Ogba Keith? Yeah, man, I think he's exactly how 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.480 you draw him up right as far as being an 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.960 edge rusher. He has really good left um. He he 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:55.839 has strength at the point of attack to be able 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.240 to set set the edge. I think he's a versatile 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.840 defender and and and then his defense it's right and 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.640 you know, more than me, they like to move the 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:06.120 friends defenders along the front, and I think he has 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.840 that capability, but just his ability to put bank the 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.320 back season off, I believe it was nine to ten 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.320 sacks um each years has really shown his sad production. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.560 And we know in the NFL that that's huge, right, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.440 just the ability to get to the quarterbacks, to be 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.360 able to affect the quarterback. And you know, in your division, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.800 obviously you have Mac Jones, who's who's an up and 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.519 coming quarterback, but not exactly show he's gonna be. And 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.880 then you also have Josh Hallen. You have to be 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.440 able to get to that guy, and you need somebody 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.360 that's athletic enough to run him down when he decides 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.560 to escape the pocket, and uh, you know, really make 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:39.000 those plays that you know, just just really get to 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.600 the defense, especially those instances where you have to go 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.000 just four man rush and you can't send the extra rush. 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.040 Are good to have a guy like Emmanuel Agba who 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:48.640 can deconstruct and beat one on ones. Now on the 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.920 other side, you know, and he might play the same 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:52.800 side of times, they might kick Aga inside and they 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:54.440 kind of rush on the same side of the field, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.400 and this guy can kick inside too. But from the 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.920 veterans of the rookie last year at Jalen Phillips. You 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.320 want to talk about a guy that can beat one 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.120 on one blocks, How did his rookie season stack up 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.280 to the scouting report you had on him pre draft 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.760 last year? Man, it was it was really cool, um, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.080 seeing jill and phillips season from beginning to end, because 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.520 his scouting report kind of for me, told the picture 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.400 of the player. And then every year when I go 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.760 through this process, right, we we write the story of 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.480 the player. Like I hate to say what a player 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.120 can't do, you know, and just say that he can't 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:27.240 do it and put limitations on him. But you had 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.200 question marks about jill and Phillips, and a lot of 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.080 it was developmental things, right, And so it was cool 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.320 seeing him enter into the NFL and you knew this 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.039 guy had the athletic ability to do it. And then 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.680 by the back end of the season, I believe he 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.200 had six seven sacks in the last in the back 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.520 half for the season. And it was cool because that's 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.159 what I had in my draft report, right, that this 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.720 guy has high upside and if he gets really good coaching, Um, 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.000 he'll be able to really develop and turn into a 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:53.880 premier edge rusher. So not only was I excited about 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.840 the back end of last last year, but I'm really 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.919 excited about him going into this season because he has 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:01.320 an opportunity to be a did you said guy if 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.720 he's able to um take what he has from this 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.360 past year and put it towards this year. And then 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.599 he also he has you know, possibly on the other side, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.680 so they won't be able to command neither. You know, 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.679 he won't be able to command double teams because people 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.680 be worried about too. So it's like you you're really 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.920 excited about the edge rusher position for the Miami Dolphins 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.919 moving forward. Absolutely, man, I mean it kind of feels 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:25.640 like that's how the whole roster shaping up at this 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.839 point with you know, Tyreek and Jalen you got almost 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.040 ever shot, Xavian and by Ron on the back end, 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.520 Javon holland Brandon Jones, you got you got a bunch 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.680 of two, you know, pairs of guys that can kind 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.599 of help offset the way offenses and defense approach you 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:40.320 in that way. And yeah, you know you mentioned the 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.440 Philip sacks. He had six and three games or six 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.159 and over a two game span last year, so he 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.960 was definitely heating up down the back half. And another 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.240 guy that really got hot the last half of both 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.359 the last couple of seasons, and I don't think his 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.760 stats matched up with his with what he actually provided 0:05:54.760 --> 0:05:56.679 the Dolphins on the field. And a guy and Andrew 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.200 Van Ginkle. Now I remember there was an L s 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.160 U Wisconsin game. I think it was played at lambeau Field. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.479 I think he was in that game. Did you play 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.720 that game as well, Keith, Yeah, yeah, yeah yea. Um, 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.960 and he showed to be a pretty good player. And 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.279 what I see on the film for four Winkle was 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.560 that he's a versatile player, right, and then this defense 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.360 we've seen in the past, um, you know obviously had 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.960 some some versatility with the linebackers that the linebackers don't 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.720 necessarily have to be the most athletic guys, but like 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.200 when he's a very instinctive guy, right, and they're able 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.440 to move him around and put him in different positions. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.000 And I think that he's just a guy that makes 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.920 place like he never makes the splashy please, but they 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.640 seem to always be just on time and just the 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:41.440 correct place. And a guy that went from you know, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.599 fifth round rookie to a six hundred, seven hundred snap 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.080 guy plays on special teams. Really been a nice boon 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.239 for us. Here, Really good depth on this Dolphins edge position. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.839 Really good depth in the edge position in the draft 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:54.679 this year. But I want to turn to that draft 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.760 here just a second, Keith, But first let's go ahead 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.599 and take our first break Travis Wingfield Drift Time Podcast, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.680 Mike Us Today Keith Sanchez, brought to you by Auto Nation. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.600 All right back here on this edge position preview for 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.760 the NFL Draft. I've got Keith Sanchez from the Draft Network, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.800 and Keith, I've been asking this question to all my 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.600 guests here on the draft preview series, and I'm loving 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.200 the variety of answers I get, and I'm really curious 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.280 to hear yours because you played, you know, at such 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.440 a high level for such a long time. And you know, 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.280 I've asked you your coworkers, Joe Marino, I've asked Kyle Crabs, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.920 I've asked Damien Parson, and they were all pretty different 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.400 in their approaches. What does it look like for you 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:33.720 when you sit down to watch film, like, how do 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.520 you how do you digest the film? Are you digesting 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.800 food like you're eating something listening to music. What does 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.640 your film watching process look like? Keith and so so? 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.440 First off, as far as just evaluation purposes, um, I 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.720 always start with athletic ability because you have to understand 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.800 the NFL is it's the level where you have the 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:56.960 highest calible aesthetes, right like like baseline wise is the 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.000 best calible athletes on the game is as fast as 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.200 is it going as it is going to be. So 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.120 I always started if the guy is a good as 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.600 you always try to start with that. And then my 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:09.280 my my second qualifier would be does this guy make 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.200 plays that's specific to that position? And just to kind 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.720 of further explain that, every year when we go through 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.880 the draft process, there's always guys that that test athletically well, 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:22.720 right they they they're off the charts, but the film 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.640 doesn't match. And then we always see these guys shoot 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.240 up the draft charts and then somebody takes this guy 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.240 early in the second round. But truly his film play 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.920 is a fourth round grade, right, so I try to 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.960 make sure that this guy, like if it's a fast 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.679 wide receiver Robberts even may running four too. But if 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.079 he can't, you know, necessarily catch the football. He's not 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:45.920 a really you know, defined route runner. Then it becomes 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.160 an issue for me and we see this year after 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.199 year where these guys run these fast forward is that 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.680 they may you know, jump or for the four in vertical, 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.560 but if that athletic ability doesn't translate to the film, 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.200 then you know, I always rely on the film, so 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.240 that that's my two step process. Or first they have 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.960 to qualify as being a good athlete, and then second, 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.560 I need you to make plays that's specific to that position. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:07.760 And we see that every year with linebackers we just 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.880 finished talking about weekle right Winkle may not have tested 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.199 well throughout the draft process, I'm not sure, but he 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.880 makes plays that's specific to his position, and I think 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.960 that's where you kind of getting that gray area of 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.280 possibly having draft us when you draft these guys that 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.600 are really good athletes, but they're not good football players. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.800 One of my sayings that every good athlete is not 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.480 a great football player. So I always try to use 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.280 those two qualifies when I'm approaching the player. That really 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.559 sounds like a discussion that goes on, I'd imagine in 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.559 most most NFL draft rooms. I'm certain it happens in 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:41.240 the TDN war room, but you guys get together for 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.120 your content. I can just see you and Kyle going 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.400 back and forth on that type of stuff, and it's 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.200 it kind of speaks, I think a lot to the 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.160 to the misrate that we see in the NFL Draft 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.199 every single year. It's a tough, tough business to figure out. 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:54.480 And I think a lot of that has to do 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.640 with what you just talked about, with how you balance 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.720 what matters versus what matters less. I guess that's what 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.880 I'm i'd to say. So that's really fascinating stuff. Keith. Again, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.680 I get different answers in that question every time, and 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.120 I'm loving it so appreciate you you're contributing to that 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.840 as well. But I want to now ask you a 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:11.600 question about kind of some more draft philosophy here because 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:13.800 it sounds like it's right your alley. But uh, you 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:17.920 know this this two class compared to three class. And 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.400 I asked Joe Marino and he talked about the quarterback 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:23.120 position being the one where he thinks teams look ahead 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.000 a couple of years. But I was curious to get 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.520 your take about, you know, teams that have taken their 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.840 draft capital this year in a lot of ways and 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:31.840 kind of moved it to next year. And we saw 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.319 the Dolphins do it. We've seen the Philadelphia Eagles do it, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.560 that big trip to the New Orleans Saints. What do 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.679 you make of teams like the Dolphins and Eagles kind 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:43.080 of pushing their resources into next year's draft. So I 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.640 think that's exactly what it is. So for this I 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:48.320 will speak about this draft class. First. This is a 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.000 very good draft class. I mean, it has good depth. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:54.200 The issue is that it's just not at the really 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:57.440 marketable position. Right when we talked about quarterbacks. Everybody wants 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.480 to the draft class to be similar to last years 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.800 draft class. That's what they were. What I think four 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.679 or five quarterbacks taken in the top thirteen picks. So 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:07.880 it's just not as marketed. But there there's really good depth. Right, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.079 So fans, when you think of this draft class, you 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.240 need to think of like the pillars of your offensive 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.520 line or your defensive line. Because you can find really 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.000 good um offensive lineman, you can find really good edge rushers. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.640 That it's a really deep linebacker class. That there are 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.719 some pretty good safeties, and it's a really deep quarterback class. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.040 So it may not be just the you know, the 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.920 quintessential quote unquote you know, sexy positions like the quarterbacks 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.400 or the running backs and things of that nature, but 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.520 it is a really good draft class. And then we 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.800 talked about draft class and teams like the Eagles, um 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.720 trading trading, you know, basically moving back to next year. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.319 I think that's exactly what it is. I think they're 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.040 trying to guard a more draft picks and like, you 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.000 know what, Um, you know, if we're going to swim 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.040 for a quarterback, let's do it in the next year's 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:56.520 draft class. Because obviously they have Rice Young FCJ Strow Um, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.760 there's no telling in DJ with Google really would turn 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.880 it around. And then all the the bag from Kentucky 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.439 Will Levice, Um, he's a possible guy too. So I 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.160 think there's just more quarterback depth in next year's draft class. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.720 And that's why you're probably seeing some of those teams 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.320 who may not feel a hundred percent about their quarterback 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:17.680 um situation moving those pieces to next year's draft class. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:19.840 But I do like this draft class. Like I said, 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.600 it may not be you know, marketable, but I promise 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.280 you some of these players that come out of here, 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.600 these are gonna be parential Pro bowlers, Um, you know, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.640 all pro type of football players. Yeah, it's perfectly said, 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.360 man that the quarterback position is always what gets the marquis. 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.040 And if you don't have the top of the line guys, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.520 and again, like you can see five guys go in 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.520 the first round, just might be picks ten through thirty 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.400 two at the quarterback spot this year. So fascinating stuff. 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.920 And you talk about you know, I think one position 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.400 that does get people pretty excited is the edge group. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.200 And that's what we have you talking about here on 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.120 this edition of the Drivetime podcast. My guest Keith Sanchez 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.280 from the Draft Network. This edge class, Keith, to me, 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.840 it's good up top, it's good in the depth. It 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.080 checks all the boxes. So just off the top right here, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:05.120 how many edge defenders do you think, you know, defense 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.560 events outside linebackers. I don't know how they classify those 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.720 these days. Guys play so many posessions, it's hard to do. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.439 But how many how many do you think of that 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.920 distinction will go off the board before the Dolphins make 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.760 their first pick at one oh two. You can ball parkers, 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.600 of course, but ten edge defenders before the first hundred 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:24.880 picks Yeah, I was looking at it, and I was 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.400 I was trying to find a good spot for you guys. 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.240 You know, just as far as just with the draft 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.320 pick at one oh two, man, it is it's probably 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:36.560 close to fifteen obviously because it's a it's a premier position, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:39.880 and also this is a really deep position for this 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.000 for this draft class man, they got some really good 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:46.000 football players. So I'm looking at probably close to fifteen guys. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.400 So obviously, if you're the Dolphins and you're looking for 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.560 edge rushers, um, you know, you just have to have 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.720 that big bank of guys and you know they just 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.559 have to do their research because it's gonna be kind 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.240 of tough just sitting at one o two, um, and 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.640 seeing how edge rushers always get moved up to draft boards. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.760 I'm always curious, see or I should I should say, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.760 I am curiously where the Dolphins going And it just 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:06.960 might be one of those best player available spots right 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:09.240 there when you're picking that late. But you know, with 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.199 that number of players off the board, fifteen of them, 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.559 is there a guy that you would really like number 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.200 sixteen at that kind of line of demarcation right outside 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:20.080 the top one hundred, is there one guy in that 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:23.400 spot that you think might be there, you like a lot, Yeah, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.640 there there is actually this this guy. He's flown under 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.240 the radar for majority of the draft process. UM. And 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.920 that's defensive end edge rusher UM from Texas A and them, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.560 Michael Clemens. This is a guy that he's built very 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.960 similar to you, Manual, I be honestly, I mean six 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.000 four six five, two hundred and sixty pounds UM. They 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.480 use them. He's very versatile and the A and M defense, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.880 So that should translate well to the Miami Dolphins front. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:50.280 This is a guy that can be a hand in 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.560 the ground edge rusher. He can stand up and rush 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.360 the quarterback as an outside linebacker. UM. But he's show 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.600 really good promised last year. I believe he had eight 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.800 to nine sexs. Three of them came in his last 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.600 game against LSU. And you're talking about a guy that 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.560 showed the ability to convert convert speed, the power, will 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.560 really work their long arm, set the edge against the run. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.920 UM really showed it to be a really good athlete. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.400 So I believe that he's a guy that's kind of 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.920 sliding under the radar and he may be able to 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:18.800 fall right into the sweet spot for the Miami Dolphins. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.440 I'm glad you've pointed out the analog there with Emmanuel Ogball, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.720 because that does seem to be kind of a theme 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.280 there for this Dolphin's edge position. And you know, whether 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.080 it's whether it's the guy that that starts as the 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.480 d ND and kicks out wide, you know, goes from 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.720 that five to the nine technique or the guy that 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.280 plays you know, from the five inside to the zero. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.440 They've got so many different versatile pieces up there, So 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:42.000 just thinking about guys that you know start off the 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.600 edge and can kick either inside or outside. You know, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.400 Emmanuel Ogball Jalen Phillips are both big, long guys strong 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.320 can set the edge, be anchors in the running game, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:52.400 and rush the passer. I guess what I'm asking you 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.440 as a couple more names, because you know, I love 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:57.160 the name from A and M clemens. But if you 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.640 have a couple more guys in that kind of that feature, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.720 that could be day it could be Day two, Day three, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:03.360 or whatever the case may be. But some guys that 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.800 fit that mold later on in the draft class that 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.880 might be on Miami's radar. Yeah, I would also go 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.320 with the defensive vent from Stanford timeless booker. Um, I 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.440 think this is a really good football player. He's he's 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.200 a little bit heavier, he's he's six for two eighty pounds, 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.280 but he shows to be a really good athlete too, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.640 and that versatility. I know, the Dolphins, like you know, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.720 they like to get penetration at times, and this is 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.160 a guy that can't get penetration. But he also showed 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.360 text book ability to be able to you know, lock 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:32.760 peek and shed against the run. So I think he's 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.120 a verst of defender. You can't kick him outside, you know, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.400 from time to time if you're playing heavy against the run, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.880 he can really sit on that tackle and set the edge. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:41.760 So this is another guy that if I was the 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.800 Miami Dolphins, I would definitely have on my radar because 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.200 he's also a guy that's kind of been flown under 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.080 the radar a little bit. Then obviously, like he said, 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.160 if y'all picking that pick one or two, I believe, um, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:53.960 you know, this is kind of a spot where I 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.520 believe some of those guys will go because they just 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.320 haven't you know, jumped out a jumped off the screen 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.360 throughout the drafts. Yeah, definitely, I'm curious see where they go. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.440 It could be a position group they feel good about. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:06.640 I mean, Brendan Scarlett also is back, so they've got 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.760 depth there and that's kind of the entire roster. But 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.639 I want to take our last break here and come 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:12.840 back on the other side and get even deeper into 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.600 Day three and pick one guy that you think can 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.439 be the next either Max Crosby Andrew Van Ginkle. We'll 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.480 see about that. That's coming up here next on the 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.280 Drivetime Podcast with Keith Sanchez Travis Wingfield. The Drivetime Podcast 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:28.080 brought to you by Auto Nation. Alright, Keith gave me 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.080 a couple of names there at pick one oh two, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.000 but I want to go even deeper and go back 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.800 into that. You know, Max Crosby led the NFL last 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:38.200 year and quarterback pressures off the edge from Pro Football Focus, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.719 we saw Andrew Van Ginkle, a fifth round draft pick here, 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.520 talked about him a little bit as a guy that 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.200 came in and made a big production or made a 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.400 big impact right away. I should say, just a couple 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:48.560 of guys do you think, you know, fifth round, sixth 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.680 round in that range that you think have a good 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.240 shot and maybe getting into a program starting off on 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.480 special teams early on, but eventually developing and carving out 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:58.640 roles in the National Football League. Who are a couple 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.160 of guys late in day three and we we're getting 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:06.520