WEBVTT - Ep 18: The Couple

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<v Speaker 1>Novel.

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<v Speaker 2>This show contains adult material and swearing. You have been warned.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if I was in a freesom or a woresome moment,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel left out, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave Like Wait, I'm the mascot on the side watching

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<v Speaker 1>the game. I'm the war boy and they're all playing

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<v Speaker 1>sport and I'm watching and it's reminding me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of secondary school again.

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<v Speaker 4>Me, I'm a savage.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people

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<v Speaker 3>from the same apps in the same bar You've only

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<v Speaker 3>chosen because it's close to your house and you can

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<v Speaker 3>make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the

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<v Speaker 3>narrative on how we find love. It's time to start

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<v Speaker 3>looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who were

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<v Speaker 3>the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight

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<v Speaker 3>of these dates in two months, will I find that

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<v Speaker 3>special someone or Well, this experiment proved that I should

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<v Speaker 3>just give up on dating altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to find out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, down, what have you been up to? What have

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<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this week? What? To be honest, I

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<v Speaker 2>have just been dissociating. Oh that's fun. Yeah, Wait to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about the date.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the day I went on this week is a

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<v Speaker 3>first for me because this was a date with a couple,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've never been on a date with a couple

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<v Speaker 3>and they were like ten years apart.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, how did you meet on Field?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, I have used Field, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>never done any good for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like what Field is.

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<v Speaker 1>Field is a bunch of really boring straight men who

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<v Speaker 1>say they're head for flexible, which actually makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Head to flexible just means you're willing to have a

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<v Speaker 1>threesome with a girl, or you're willing to have a

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<v Speaker 1>threesome with a guy who needs to be attractive.

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<v Speaker 2>But his dick needs to be smaller than yours, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I think it means.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all these like bland men and these gorgeous queer

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<v Speaker 1>people that they're with, and I'm like, how does this work?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would love to like maybe just a reflection of.

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<v Speaker 3>The fucking world, Like unfortunately, like what men will do,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what was the case for this couple. Basically,

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<v Speaker 3>they were a couple and had been together for a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years, and it was painfully obvious to me

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<v Speaker 3>that she was less invested in opening up, opening it

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<v Speaker 3>up and having other situations with other couples, other people. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And he was really quiet as well, like he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really say much, Like it didn't quite all match up.

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<v Speaker 1>But this honestly to quote, and I can't giving me

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<v Speaker 1>up to it the hard situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a bit like he was quite creepy, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be honest. And I thought that from the moment I

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<v Speaker 3>met him. It was triggering, not my non star. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't think he was a nonce.

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<v Speaker 2>It was triggering my just.

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<v Speaker 3>You're a creepy man, And if I met you in

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<v Speaker 3>most context, I would think.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, yeah, even if you're my friend's dad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's giving, like magician exactly, it's giving, Like wearing eyeliner

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<v Speaker 1>fully around the eye does not make you more sexually ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, it just makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at me too much. Yeah, you still

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<v Speaker 2>probably secretly have like a Lost Profits tour t shirt. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>So how long have you been together? You in a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>what is your relationship if you had to define it,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly monogamous, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you go on field to meet a

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<v Speaker 3>third or other couples.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, okay, and was it that from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 5>Or it's what I wanted from the beginning?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know, doubt Yes, I mean it's what I wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I wanted.

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<v Speaker 3>But also like there was things about like him that

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<v Speaker 3>just gave me the ick. He's just gone through a divorce,

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<v Speaker 3>discussing I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Drinking, but he like, okay, what is this a Sex

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<v Speaker 2>and the City reboot?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like ten years older than her, but basically

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<v Speaker 3>had known that he wanted an open relationship when he

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<v Speaker 3>got with her, but she didn't, and then after like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's shady, Like if that's what you want, it

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be on the profile. It needs to be

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<v Speaker 1>said at the beginning, right, Like you can't kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like let someone in and then go, oh, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well exactly, which is why there are benefits to like

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<v Speaker 3>apps like Field, because you can make it really clear

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<v Speaker 3>that that is what you're looking for and are interested in,

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<v Speaker 3>and then people can decide, like from the get go

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<v Speaker 3>if they're going to be into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I guess also the good thing about fluidity, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people like think about, is that if

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<v Speaker 1>you're open and you want things to be fluid, then

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<v Speaker 1>it goes in and out, do you know what I mean? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's sometimes in your like open relationship where you

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<v Speaker 1>are more monogamous, where actually you're like, we're really into

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<v Speaker 1>each other at the moment, so we're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and have sex with other people, and

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<v Speaker 1>you can have the open dialogue of being like that

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<v Speaker 1>would make me feel jealous if you did that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it can open itself a bit further out and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>back in.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, but those things are only achievable if both

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<v Speaker 3>people have the capacity to.

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<v Speaker 2>Like community walk. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>But I guess what was kind of but not like

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<v Speaker 3>sad sounds a bit patronizing, but I enjoyed the company

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<v Speaker 3>of more.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the Alice the girl.

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<v Speaker 3>But what A felt a bit sad was it did

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<v Speaker 3>feel like this was a situation that had been thrust

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<v Speaker 3>upon her, like once she'd fallen in love with someone. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>which is just like not really, it's not really ideal.

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<v Speaker 6>I do think then until you're able to be alone,

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<v Speaker 6>you can't maybe someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>I obviously disagree with that well, because you've never been

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<v Speaker 2>by yourself. But really I.

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<v Speaker 5>Was looking forward to her and then you came along

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<v Speaker 5>among no way, yeah, just out of a ten year marriage.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, the marriage is not my fam. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not giving me goodvibes. I think as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I basically think that's the sign of someone who's quite unthrapized,

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<v Speaker 3>is being like, yeah, I've never been alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean as someone who has. But I okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I used to always think that, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't love somebody else to love yourself whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That phrases, well choose life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but like it's a thing of like being,

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to like yourself, right. So I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>date for like a long ass time because, like I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>as a person, I was trying to figure myself out

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<v Speaker 1>more and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like who I was more.

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<v Speaker 1>But then the most I learned about myself was when

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<v Speaker 1>I started dating people. I mean, so I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a it's a paradox.

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<v Speaker 2>Of like you can't rely on being. I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that, but I think because I've been

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<v Speaker 3>someone who's been so codependent in relationships, and that wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have happened if I'd have been more happy with who

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<v Speaker 3>I was. It's not necessarily about being like happy on

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<v Speaker 3>your own. It's just about being happy with yourself so

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<v Speaker 3>you don't need somebody else to help regulate your emotions,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like why people are so desperate to like

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<v Speaker 3>being relationships, because they need someone else to make them

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<v Speaker 3>feel like validated all the tea.

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<v Speaker 1>But also I feel like plot twist, no one's happy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you've heard it here first, Like either you like

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<v Speaker 1>your work's going well, so you're upset about your personal life,

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<v Speaker 1>or like the opposite way around, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>That, but that, but that is because I at the

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<v Speaker 3>moment in my life feel truly, I actually feel really happy,

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<v Speaker 3>and she lies.

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<v Speaker 2>They had basically as a couple.

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<v Speaker 3>The week before I met them, been on a date

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<v Speaker 3>with another couple and it had just been like a

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<v Speaker 3>first date. They hadn't like done a sex thing, but

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<v Speaker 3>they were meeting up the next week after I met

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<v Speaker 3>with them to go on a second date with this couple,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had like pre booked babysitter the other couple

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<v Speaker 3>had kids, and then also like a hotel room. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was like really asking like loads of questions about

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<v Speaker 3>what they imagined was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I expected to be way more embarrassing at

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<v Speaker 6>the beginning. It's just like you sit there with two

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<v Speaker 6>strangers and you kind of know that I'm basically interviewing you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's two and two, So it's like, what if one

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<v Speaker 3>person wants to do it and the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Person, what do you do? Exactly? Do you think you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see them again? We have a second guy really.

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<v Speaker 5>Out for Jenna next.

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<v Speaker 3>Week, So can I ask when you go on this

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<v Speaker 3>second date with this couple, what do you think could happen?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we've we've been kind of sex stayed, so really

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<v Speaker 5>anything anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's going to be like a foursome. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm so stressed. Are you buy? Would

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<v Speaker 2>you get with the woman? I would? Yeah, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>done it. You would my preference as women? Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>you would? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Some? Oh so then it could go anyway?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Who's leading the sex day? Yeah? I see what's the

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<v Speaker 2>WhatsApp group called? Yeah? Like, like, what's it called?

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<v Speaker 3>I reckon It's called Dinner Thursday the twenty second of

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<v Speaker 3>March or.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like a couple of keys trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>one big bowl.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a bit long for like a WhatsApp group tail.

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes these things are supposed to feel exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean? Like you're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>open up your relationship and feel like in a space

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<v Speaker 1>that you're comfortable and there's trust that this new er

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<v Speaker 1>is exciting. But from the sound of it, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>sound that. Like she said, I'm really stressed out by

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<v Speaker 1>the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>What she said, which like I think was after this,

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<v Speaker 3>was she was like, I think that maybe because basically

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<v Speaker 3>the guy from the other couple was also Italian like her,

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<v Speaker 3>And she said that him, her boyfriend, and the woman

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<v Speaker 3>from the couple were both English and they were really similar.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was like, I have a feeling that they're

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna like really get on and me and the

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<v Speaker 3>Italian guy are just gonna like sit there like talking

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<v Speaker 3>in Italian. And I was like that that as a scenario,

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<v Speaker 3>like just imagine that.

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<v Speaker 2>That gives me such a deep it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also to know what sounds so much more

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<v Speaker 1>sexy not the two Brits fucking Italians talking.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I mean that's hot to me. White.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, that just doesn't sound fun or like erotic,

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<v Speaker 1>like when he said sexting, honestly, my full body, full

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<v Speaker 1>body reaction goosebumps.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, how can you sex with a couple where like

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<v Speaker 3>maybe like one slash poss two of the people aren't game, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Then exactly and it's also like, well, yeah, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you sending?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>But wait, I in terms of being part of a

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<v Speaker 1>group that has become sextinc esque.

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<v Speaker 2>I recently this is so long.

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<v Speaker 1>I recently got messaged by this guy on Grinder who

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, I want to start a big group

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<v Speaker 1>for tall gaze baby. It's a WhatsApp group called like

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred gays mainly why embarrassing be course it would be,

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<v Speaker 1>but like and it's like all these like soho gays.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, though me saying this, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find out they're going to get me, because.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes feel a bit like what is being said.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, baby, it's just people sending like real lame ass

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<v Speaker 1>nudes like gays be gay in, Gays be gay in.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't stop. Like it's just like it's like two

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the afternoon on a Tuesday. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to see like what looks like a dead hamster in

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<v Speaker 1>a shape val it looks like a dead hamster and

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<v Speaker 1>take a good nude.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was in a couple and we were meeting

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<v Speaker 3>with another couple to figure out like whether or not

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to have like a good fucking swinging party

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, all I would really care about is how

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<v Speaker 3>much I'm attracted to them. Like I'm not really looking

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<v Speaker 3>to go on like a holiday with them.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like I'm interviewing for a job.

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<v Speaker 3>I would just need to assess do I fancy the

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<v Speaker 3>guy and the girl? Do I feel comfortable with the

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<v Speaker 3>other person getting with my partner?

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I'm like thinking about. Wait, can I ask.

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<v Speaker 1>A question which maybe to be personal to me, but

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<v Speaker 1>actually I think it's maybe universal. I feel like everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about like couples going away together. Does everyone

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<v Speaker 1>have like a period of time in their lives but

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<v Speaker 1>like their parents or like single parent, like had a

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<v Speaker 1>close friend or like a close couple friend who they

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<v Speaker 1>went away with that like deep down you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thought they maybe were fucking because I remember going to

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<v Speaker 1>Digital and Florida and being like, I swear I can't

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<v Speaker 1>say their real name for legal reasons, but my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like maybe like do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, there's like a vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, if it was happening, good for her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I want that, Like I would love that, but

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like, is that a thing that like

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<v Speaker 1>secretly cool?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah yeah, but like swinging in the middle age

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<v Speaker 2>is very normal middle ages. Yeah, it's very normal.

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<v Speaker 3>Like swinging is very popular at the moment with middle

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<v Speaker 3>aged people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I my parents have been

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<v Speaker 3>propositioned to swing quite a lot, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, political leaning exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the question I would ask the couple, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think simply, if it's about sex, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>know that you're compatible in the bedroom. It's a hard

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<v Speaker 1>situation because obviously things like grinding that Like I've spoken

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<v Speaker 1>to people, but the first time we meet is in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation where we're going to have sex. And there

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of situations where like the way that person's

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<v Speaker 1>curated their profile gives them a certain energy and then

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<v Speaker 1>when you meet them, you're like, oh, like you were

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<v Speaker 1>giving me like daddy vibes and I meet you and

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's missed out fire Like it's that scene in

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<v Speaker 1>like Robin will like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is like run into the bathroom and getting changed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like that hello goodbye.

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<v Speaker 1>So like that's what I think about, like grinding self

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<v Speaker 1>or even field, Like it's so upfront in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>like what you like and what you want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also like so.

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<v Speaker 3>Much of that, but I'm feeling that doesn't quite tick

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<v Speaker 3>off this thing of like it's about, yeah, am I

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<v Speaker 3>gonna like have good sex with you? But also am

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<v Speaker 3>I going to feel comfortable with your fucking my boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>in front of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah yeah, Like can I firstly assess how good

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<v Speaker 1>you are giving head?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it better than me? Because it's better than me?

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<v Speaker 1>And let me just say absolutely that's this is like

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<v Speaker 1>a parallel universe and that could possibly be situation because

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<v Speaker 1>no one gives the old good block block through that

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't like I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody finds that bean like down.

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<v Speaker 3>My friend told me the other day that he used

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<v Speaker 3>to think that when he used to give head, like

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<v Speaker 3>eating out. The phrase eating out confused him so much

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<v Speaker 3>so he was like looking for something because he thought

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<v Speaker 3>you meant.

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<v Speaker 2>To be getting like a bean, like a wait what, So.

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<v Speaker 3>He thought like eating out the goal was like you're

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<v Speaker 3>getting something out.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Why does say that like it's given like Pokemon boarders.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know, so he thought he was in this

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<v Speaker 3>little mission of people trying to get something out, which

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<v Speaker 3>I get is kind of misleading.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>No one has ever thought, oh, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>down and stone and get a little bean out of

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<v Speaker 1>the person.

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<v Speaker 4>I love the idea that there is like a little

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<v Speaker 4>bean in that way, but.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not the am I right always been when I

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<v Speaker 2>was I saw sometimes to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, famously very good at head. I know very well

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<v Speaker 3>that has not giving me head.

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<v Speaker 1>I just have to No matter how many times you ask,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't do it every time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I do know that you're you've made a

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<v Speaker 2>woman come. Thank you. And if I die tomorrow, this

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<v Speaker 2>is how I want to be remembered.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I never understood why people are like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why people are like, where is it like it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite is it not quite obvious?

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<v Speaker 2>Where it is? Yeah? But people are you know, men

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<v Speaker 2>and men, men and men.

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<v Speaker 3>And also I think people don't even know where they're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, but it's also hard to look like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where you're looking is like.

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<v Speaker 3>A bean, it's like a jelly bean. If someone has

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<v Speaker 3>pampas grass at their door, it's the international signal that

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<v Speaker 3>they're a swinger. So it's the sort of way to

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<v Speaker 3>tell when they're having a dinner party. Kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>dogging exactly what is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Dog ill It's where you're like you're in the car

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<v Speaker 5>and you flash the headlights a certain way to like

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<v Speaker 5>signal to the other car to come over.

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<v Speaker 2>But so there's this like car park and Hams even.

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<v Speaker 3>I know two people who came to London to visit

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<v Speaker 3>and they were just walking on through that car park.

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<v Speaker 3>They got some of this guy and he was American

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<v Speaker 3>and he was like, oh, I've come all the way

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<v Speaker 3>over for this, and they were like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>we're this thing as well. And then he was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean like to come here. And then they were

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<v Speaker 3>like what do you mean do you mean? And then

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<v Speaker 3>he was like, well, like through there and apparently there's

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<v Speaker 3>like a bit where you walk like through the trees

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<v Speaker 3>and then suddenly it's literally like loads.

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<v Speaker 2>Of people fucking yeah, we need to go.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom was once walking on Humpstead Heat and just

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<v Speaker 3>suddenly it was in the like George Michael, you know

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<v Speaker 3>the area yeah, and she was just like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody had any interest in her because she was a

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<v Speaker 3>middle aged woman.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was really fun. But she still stayed for

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<v Speaker 2>three hours. I mean she's still there now. This was yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't have a dog with her. How what a

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<v Speaker 2>you're walking? Is your dad at a last?

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<v Speaker 1>I remember actually living just outside of cor in this

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<v Speaker 1>little countryside town called bucks Well, and you could walk

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<v Speaker 1>and like see people dogging quite a long if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to, and it was quite fun.

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<v Speaker 2>But why is it called dogging?

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<v Speaker 1>I could never tell you, okay, because I've been sworn

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<v Speaker 1>to secrecy by the community doggers. If I were to say,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd come for me and then my family free, but

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<v Speaker 1>then my family's family.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's I would like to do more,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I would like to go to more saunas.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to like go and experience these things more.

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<v Speaker 1>But like what I've experienced so far is well, I

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<v Speaker 1>have been cruised quite a bit, like in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>Like in terms of like cruising is kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>where you're on public transport or like walking through a

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<v Speaker 1>park or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you have like long eye contact with somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And then that's kind of like an instagator of being

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm into you and then you can go have sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember, actually I remember this happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the bus once and it was really hot. But

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<v Speaker 1>then also one time it happened to me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>walking home from a night out and this and this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is like it was given like shameless, like gold tee, tracksuit,

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<v Speaker 1>shaven head, and I actually had already hooked with someone

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<v Speaker 1>in the club lot and I was walking back and

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<v Speaker 1>this man called me a faggot, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what took over me, but like I just turned round

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, how about I suck your dick?

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<v Speaker 1>And then I just start sucking this man off on

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<v Speaker 1>the street Nail in the fields. We start six and

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<v Speaker 1>nine on the pavement. It's like five o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning in August.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I remember there. I am hold on in the

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<v Speaker 2>full way of homophobia on my own. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was on the pavement.

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<v Speaker 4>I just happened to pass by on the ones before.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge.

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<v Speaker 1>But like sometimes like that, when it again, like when

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<v Speaker 1>it happens in a in a way that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>is organic.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that by that tracks on the street could

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<v Speaker 2>be called organic. Yes, yes, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Might say it is the most organic that ever could be.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, but like I agree that, like if it's

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<v Speaker 1>not pushed upon me because I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a space and not find anyone fit or like,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's.

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<v Speaker 2>What I mean. It's the forcedness.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you jealous when he's getting with other people?

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<v Speaker 2>No? But because I chased hid. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>For me, jealousy is just like cancer and like everyone's jealous,

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<v Speaker 5>Like I think everyone is, like saw just a big scale.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about how you deal with it, I think, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And my jealousy was like brought the reins in on.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like a few relationships to girls with someone who

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<v Speaker 5>like slept with all of her friends, like all of them,

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<v Speaker 5>but not only that, you know, fine with that, but

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<v Speaker 5>they would talk about their encounters like openly, like they

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<v Speaker 5>were young, Like I was probably like five years older

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<v Speaker 5>than her. She was like twenty, so I saw her

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<v Speaker 5>as they were just like immature. But like after we

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<v Speaker 5>broke up, I was just like, why was I bothered

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<v Speaker 5>by it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, they say a jealous in cancer. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to and we'll get it. That's a mental statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is your eyes when he said it because

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 3>I was like really confused.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait, what, it's a big comparison. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a big comparison. We raise awareness of jealousy. Please, yeah, jealousy.

0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm sunging charity jealous Will they cure it? Why do

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<v Speaker 2>they cure it? What is the cure? I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to run this marathon. Why for jealousy?

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to combat jealousy somehow, Joe, what the big farmer?

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<v Speaker 2>Big Farmer's got the cure for jealousy? Does not give

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<v Speaker 2>it to her. I had this friend Grace, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was really jealous. I'm running this race behind.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is I get if your partner like has

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<v Speaker 3>slept with a lot of their friends. Like I've been

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<v Speaker 3>in that situation before, and I've also been that person

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<v Speaker 3>before and it definitely spikes feelings.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of like what we talk about quite

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<v Speaker 2>a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like it's just like your level of maturity

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<v Speaker 3>and truly shut yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think like if you have especially if you're

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<v Speaker 1>in an open relationship, like you have to have those

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<v Speaker 1>things down or you just can't really venture into those

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 1>into that space.

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<v Speaker 2>It's trust at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Even like with like my menstrual cycle, Like my feelings

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<v Speaker 3>of jealousy like changed roout different times of the month.

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<v Speaker 3>Because when I'm like on my period or coming onto

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<v Speaker 3>my period, I'm like absolutely insane and I like do

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<v Speaker 3>become quite paranoid.

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<v Speaker 4>And then like after my period, I'm like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 4>that was mad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's good, And do you communicate that thing? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I always feel like I've got like a divorce woman

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<v Speaker 1>inside of me because my mom like fan of divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>like the hatred of men, and I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've got like a little divorce women inside of me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just stop beating divorced women. You need to stop

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<v Speaker 2>being divorcedomen. But it's so tasty and bitter.

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<v Speaker 3>I did think, like when you up, like I can

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<v Speaker 3>hear like a shrieking, shrill noise coming out.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say that to your dad? So what was

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<v Speaker 1>it actually like going on a date with a couple,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the first time you've done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it didn't quite really feel like a day.

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<v Speaker 3>I just felt like I was interviewing them, to be honest, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like I didn't feel you know, I felt like I

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<v Speaker 3>actually wasn't really what they were looking for in the

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<v Speaker 3>sense that they weren't looking.

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<v Speaker 2>For a third.

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<v Speaker 3>They were looking for other couples, right, like in general.

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<v Speaker 3>And then they were like going to sex parties where

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, you know, finding thirds.

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<v Speaker 4>But I don't know if they were like actually like

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know if they'd had a threesome.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just felt like I was, you know, doing

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<v Speaker 3>very much like what I'm going to do when I

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<v Speaker 3>come to the dogging park and hamsterd Heath with you,

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<v Speaker 3>just like asking questions and what.

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<v Speaker 1>Yah yeah yeah yeah, And actually from like listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the electric energy from those clips on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, Yeah, I look forward to you being whilst I dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I get deep dick dogged in hampsterdy Heath

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<v Speaker 1>because I would just.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, there like cheering you on so much, like I

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<v Speaker 3>was actually so proud of you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when you're trying to put a dick in your

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<v Speaker 2>ask what you need is a cheer.

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<v Speaker 4>You do need someone to be like, yep, you got this.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me an out. I'll spare me. If you need it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just spit someone got loose, I'll just driver next time.

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<v Speaker 3>On twenty eight dates later, can I just say if

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<v Speaker 3>I was going on a date with you, I'd be nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, that makes me so happy. I just I

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<v Speaker 3>love the idea that I make man nervous.

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<v Speaker 4>Around for me, I'm a survey it can hurt.

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