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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: This show contains adult material and swearing. You have been warned.

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Speaker 3: Well, if I was in a freesom or a woresome moment,

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Speaker 3: I feel left out, I will.

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Speaker 1: Leave Like Wait, I'm the mascot on the side watching

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Speaker 1: the game. I'm the war boy and they're all playing

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Speaker 1: sport and I'm watching and it's reminding me.

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Speaker 2: Of secondary school again.

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Speaker 4: Me, I'm a savage.

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Speaker 3: Are you bored of modern dating? Meeting the same people

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Speaker 3: from the same apps in the same bar You've only

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Speaker 3: chosen because it's close to your house and you can

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Speaker 3: make your usual quick getaway. It's time to change the

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Speaker 3: narrative on how we find love. It's time to start

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Speaker 3: looking for love in all the wrong places. I'm going

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Speaker 3: on a wild dating adventure, only picking people who were

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Speaker 3: the total opposite of my type. And after twenty eight

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Speaker 3: of these dates in two months, will I find that

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Speaker 3: special someone or Well, this experiment proved that I should

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Speaker 3: just give up on dating altogether.

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Speaker 2: It's time to find out.

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Speaker 3: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later.

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Speaker 2: Hi, down, what have you been up to? What have

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Speaker 2: I've been doing this week? What? To be honest, I

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Speaker 2: have just been dissociating. Oh that's fun. Yeah, Wait to

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Speaker 2: tell me about the date.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the day I went on this week is a

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Speaker 3: first for me because this was a date with a couple,

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Speaker 3: and I've never been on a date with a couple

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Speaker 3: and they were like ten years apart.

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Speaker 2: Wait, how did you meet on Field?

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I have used Field, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: never done any good for me.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like what Field is.

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Speaker 1: Field is a bunch of really boring straight men who

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Speaker 1: say they're head for flexible, which actually makes no sense.

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Speaker 1: Head to flexible just means you're willing to have a

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Speaker 1: threesome with a girl, or you're willing to have a

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Speaker 1: threesome with a guy who needs to be attractive.

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Speaker 2: But his dick needs to be smaller than yours, Right,

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Speaker 2: That's what I think it means.

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Speaker 1: There's all these like bland men and these gorgeous queer

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Speaker 1: people that they're with, and I'm like, how does this work?

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Speaker 2: Like I would love to like maybe just a reflection of.

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Speaker 3: The fucking world, Like unfortunately, like what men will do,

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Speaker 3: which is what was the case for this couple. Basically,

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Speaker 3: they were a couple and had been together for a

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Speaker 3: couple of years, and it was painfully obvious to me

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Speaker 3: that she was less invested in opening up, opening it

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Speaker 3: up and having other situations with other couples, other people. Right,

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Speaker 3: And he was really quiet as well, like he didn't

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Speaker 3: really say much, Like it didn't quite all match up.

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Speaker 1: But this honestly to quote, and I can't giving me

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Speaker 1: up to it the hard situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a bit like he was quite creepy, I'll

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Speaker 3: be honest. And I thought that from the moment I

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Speaker 3: met him. It was triggering, not my non star. I

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Speaker 3: didn't think he was a nonce.

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Speaker 2: It was triggering my just.

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Speaker 3: You're a creepy man, And if I met you in

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Speaker 3: most context, I would think.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, yeah, even if you're my friend's dad.

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Speaker 1: It's giving, like magician exactly, it's giving, Like wearing eyeliner

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Speaker 1: fully around the eye does not make you more sexually ambiguous.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, it just makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you're looking at me too much. Yeah, you still

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Speaker 2: probably secretly have like a Lost Profits tour t shirt. Hi,

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Speaker 2: So how long have you been together? You in a bit,

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Speaker 2: what is your relationship if you had to define it,

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Speaker 2: mostly monogamous, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you go on field to meet a

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Speaker 3: third or other couples.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, and was it that from the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Or it's what I wanted from the beginning?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, doubt Yes, I mean it's what I wanted,

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Speaker 3: But also like there was things about like him that

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Speaker 2: Drinking, but he like, okay, what is this a Sex

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Speaker 2: and the City reboot?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: He was like ten years older than her, but basically

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Speaker 3: had known that he wanted an open relationship when he

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Speaker 3: got with her, but she didn't, and then after like.

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Speaker 1: Well that's shady, Like if that's what you want, it

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Speaker 1: needs to be on the profile. It needs to be

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Speaker 1: said at the beginning, right, Like you can't kind of

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Speaker 1: like let someone in and then go, oh, by the way.

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Speaker 3: Well exactly, which is why there are benefits to like

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Speaker 3: apps like Field, because you can make it really clear

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Speaker 3: that that is what you're looking for and are interested in,

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Speaker 3: and then people can decide, like from the get go

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Speaker 1: Because I guess also the good thing about fluidity, which

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Speaker 1: I don't think people like think about, is that if

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Speaker 1: it goes in and out, do you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 1: so there's sometimes in your like open relationship where you

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Speaker 1: go out there and have sex with other people, and

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Speaker 1: you can have the open dialogue of being like that

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Speaker 1: would make me feel jealous if you did that, and

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Speaker 1: then it can open itself a bit further out and yeah,

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but those things are only achievable if both

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Speaker 3: people have the capacity to.

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Speaker 2: Like community walk. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But I guess what was kind of but not like

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Speaker 3: sad sounds a bit patronizing, but I enjoyed the company

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Speaker 2: Of the Alice the girl.

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Speaker 3: But what A felt a bit sad was it did

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Speaker 3: feel like this was a situation that had been thrust

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Speaker 3: upon her, like once she'd fallen in love with someone. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is just like not really, it's not really ideal.

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Speaker 6: I do think then until you're able to be alone,

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Speaker 2: I obviously disagree with that well, because you've never been

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Speaker 5: Was looking forward to her and then you came along

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Speaker 5: among no way, yeah, just out of a ten year marriage.

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Speaker 2: No, no, the marriage is not my fam. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's not giving me goodvibes. I think as well.

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Speaker 3: I basically think that's the sign of someone who's quite unthrapized,

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Speaker 3: is being like, yeah, I've never been alone.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean as someone who has. But I okay,

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Speaker 1: So I used to always think that, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: That phrases, well choose life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like it's a thing of like being,

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Speaker 1: like you have to like yourself, right. So I didn't

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Speaker 1: date for like a long ass time because, like I guess,

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Speaker 2: Like like who I was more.

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Speaker 1: But then the most I learned about myself was when

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Speaker 1: like a it's a paradox.

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Speaker 2: Of like you can't rely on being. I do.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that, but I think because I've been

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Speaker 3: someone who's been so codependent in relationships, and that wouldn't

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Speaker 3: have happened if I'd have been more happy with who

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Speaker 3: I was. It's not necessarily about being like happy on

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Speaker 3: you don't need somebody else to help regulate your emotions,

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Speaker 3: which is like why people are so desperate to like

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Speaker 3: feel like validated all the tea.

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Speaker 1: But also I feel like plot twist, no one's happy,

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Speaker 1: Like you've heard it here first, Like either you like

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Speaker 1: or like the opposite way around, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: That, but that, but that is because I at the

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Speaker 3: and she lies.

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Speaker 2: They had basically as a couple.

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Speaker 3: The week before I met them, been on a date

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Speaker 3: I was like really asking like loads of questions about

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Speaker 6: I think I expected to be way more embarrassing at

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Speaker 6: the beginning. It's just like you sit there with two

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Speaker 3: It's two and two, So it's like, what if one

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Speaker 2: Person, what do you do? Exactly? Do you think you'll

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Speaker 3: Week, So can I ask when you go on this

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Speaker 5: Well, we've we've been kind of sex stayed, so really

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Speaker 2: But it's going to be like a foursome. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm so stressed. Are you buy? Would

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Speaker 2: you get with the woman? I would? Yeah, I've never

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Speaker 2: done it. You would my preference as women? Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: Some? Oh so then it could go anyway?

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Speaker 2: Who's leading the sex day? Yeah? I see what's the

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp group called? Yeah? Like, like, what's it called?

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Speaker 3: I reckon It's called Dinner Thursday the twenty second of

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Speaker 3: March or.

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Speaker 1: Is it like a couple of keys trying to find

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Speaker 1: one big bowl.

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Speaker 2: That's a bit long for like a WhatsApp group tail.

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes these things are supposed to feel exciting,

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Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: that you're comfortable and there's trust that this new er

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Speaker 1: is exciting. But from the sound of it, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: sound that. Like she said, I'm really stressed out by

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Speaker 3: What she said, which like I think was after this,

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Speaker 3: was she was like, I think that maybe because basically

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Speaker 3: And she said that him, her boyfriend, and the woman

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Speaker 3: And she was like, I have a feeling that they're

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Speaker 3: Italian guy are just gonna like sit there like talking

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Speaker 3: in Italian. And I was like that that as a scenario,

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Speaker 3: like just imagine that.

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Speaker 2: That gives me such a deep it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also to know what sounds so much more

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Speaker 1: sexy not the two Brits fucking Italians talking.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I mean that's hot to me. White.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that just doesn't sound fun or like erotic,

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Speaker 1: like when he said sexting, honestly, my full body, full

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Speaker 3: Also, how can you sex with a couple where like

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Speaker 1: Then exactly and it's also like, well, yeah, what are

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean?

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Speaker 1: But wait, I in terms of being part of a

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Speaker 2: I recently this is so long.

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Speaker 1: I recently got messaged by this guy on Grinder who

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Speaker 1: for tall gaze baby. It's a WhatsApp group called like

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Speaker 1: two hundred gays mainly why embarrassing be course it would be,

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Speaker 1: I feel like, though me saying this, they're going to

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Speaker 4: Sometimes feel a bit like what is being said.

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Speaker 1: Well, baby, it's just people sending like real lame ass

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Speaker 1: They can't stop. Like it's just like it's like two

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Speaker 3: If I was in a couple and we were meeting

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Speaker 3: or whatever, all I would really care about is how

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Speaker 2: It's not like I'm interviewing for a job.

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Speaker 3: I would just need to assess do I fancy the

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm like thinking about. Wait, can I ask.

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Speaker 1: just talking about like couples going away together. Does everyone

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Speaker 2: Is like maybe like do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I was like, if it was happening, good for her,

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Speaker 1: and I want that, Like I would love that, but

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Speaker 1: like I feel like, is that a thing that like

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah yeah, but like swinging in the middle age

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Speaker 2: is very normal middle ages. Yeah, it's very normal.

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Speaker 3: Like swinging is very popular at the moment with middle

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Speaker 3: aged people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I my parents have been

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, political leaning exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the question I would ask the couple, like,

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Speaker 1: I think simply, if it's about sex, you need to

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Speaker 1: are lots of situations where like the way that person's

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Speaker 1: when you meet them, you're like, oh, like you were

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Speaker 1: actually it's missed out fire Like it's that scene in

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Speaker 1: like Robin will like that.

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Speaker 2: Which is like run into the bathroom and getting changed.

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Speaker 2: It's like that hello goodbye.

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Speaker 1: So like that's what I think about, like grinding self

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Speaker 1: or even field, Like it's so upfront in terms of

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Speaker 1: but then also like so.

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Speaker 3: Much of that, but I'm feeling that doesn't quite tick

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Speaker 3: off this thing of like it's about, yeah, am I

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Speaker 3: gonna like have good sex with you? But also am

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Speaker 3: I going to feel comfortable with your fucking my boyfriend

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Speaker 3: in front of me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah, Like can I firstly assess how good

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Speaker 1: you are giving head?

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Speaker 2: Is it better than me? Because it's better than me?

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Speaker 1: And let me just say absolutely that's this is like

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Speaker 1: a parallel universe and that could possibly be situation because

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Speaker 1: no one gives the old good block block through that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't like I do.

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Speaker 2: Nobody finds that bean like down.

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Speaker 3: My friend told me the other day that he used

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Speaker 3: to think that when he used to give head, like

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Speaker 3: eating out. The phrase eating out confused him so much

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Speaker 3: so he was like looking for something because he thought

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Speaker 2: To be getting like a bean, like a wait what, So.

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Speaker 3: He thought like eating out the goal was like you're

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Speaker 1: Why Why does say that like it's given like Pokemon boarders.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, so he thought he was in this

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Speaker 3: little mission of people trying to get something out, which

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Speaker 3: I get is kind of misleading.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: No one has ever thought, oh, I'm going to go

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Speaker 4: I love the idea that there is like a little

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Speaker 2: There's not the am I right always been when I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, famously very good at head. I know very well

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Speaker 3: that has not giving me head.

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Speaker 1: I just have to No matter how many times you ask,

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Speaker 1: I won't do it every time.

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Speaker 2: No, but I do know that you're you've made a

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Speaker 2: woman come. Thank you. And if I die tomorrow, this

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Speaker 2: is how I want to be remembered.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I never understood why people are like, I don't

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Speaker 2: Where it is? Yeah? But people are you know, men

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Speaker 3: And also I think people don't even know where they're

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's also hard to look like you know,

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Speaker 3: A bean, it's like a jelly bean. If someone has

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Speaker 3: pampas grass at their door, it's the international signal that

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Speaker 3: dogging exactly what is it?

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Speaker 5: Dog ill It's where you're like you're in the car

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Speaker 2: But so there's this like car park and Hams even.

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Speaker 3: I know two people who came to London to visit

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Speaker 3: They got some of this guy and he was American

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Speaker 3: we're this thing as well. And then he was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I mean like to come here. And then they were

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Speaker 2: Of people fucking yeah, we need to go.

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Speaker 3: My mom was once walking on Humpstead Heat and just

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Speaker 2: But it was really fun. But she still stayed for

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Speaker 2: She didn't have a dog with her. How what a

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Speaker 1: I remember actually living just outside of cor in this

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Speaker 2: But why is it called dogging?

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Speaker 1: I could never tell you, okay, because I've been sworn

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Speaker 1: they'd come for me and then my family free, but

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Speaker 1: then my family's family.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's I would like to do more,

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Speaker 2: I would like to like go and experience these things more.

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Speaker 1: But like what I've experienced so far is well, I

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Speaker 2: Can you have like long eye contact with somebody.

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Speaker 1: And then that's kind of like an instagator of being

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Speaker 1: Like I remember, actually I remember this happened to be

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Speaker 1: and I was like, how about I suck your dick?

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Speaker 1: And then I just start sucking this man off on

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Speaker 2: No, I remember there. I am hold on in the

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Speaker 4: I just happened to pass by on the ones before.

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Speaker 2: Judge.

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Speaker 1: But like sometimes like that, when it again, like when

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Speaker 1: Might say it is the most organic that ever could be.

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Speaker 1: But no, but like I agree that, like if it's

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Speaker 1: well that's.

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Speaker 2: What I mean. It's the forcedness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you jealous when he's getting with other people?

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Speaker 2: No? But because I chased hid. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: For me, jealousy is just like cancer and like everyone's jealous,

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Speaker 5: Like I think everyone is, like saw just a big scale.

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Speaker 2: It's about how you deal with it, I think, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And my jealousy was like brought the reins in on.

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Speaker 5: It's like a few relationships to girls with someone who

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Speaker 5: by it?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they say a jealous in cancer. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is your eyes when he said it because

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Speaker 3: I was like really confused.

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Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what, it's a big comparison. It's

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Speaker 2: a big comparison. We raise awareness of jealousy. Please, yeah, jealousy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sunging charity jealous Will they cure it? Why do

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Speaker 2: they cure it? What is the cure? I'm just going

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Speaker 2: to run this marathon. Why for jealousy?

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Speaker 1: You've got to combat jealousy somehow, Joe, what the big farmer?

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Speaker 2: Big Farmer's got the cure for jealousy? Does not give

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Speaker 2: it to her. I had this friend Grace, and she

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Speaker 2: was really jealous. I'm running this race behind.

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Speaker 3: The thing is I get if your partner like has

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Speaker 3: slept with a lot of their friends. Like I've been

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Speaker 3: in that situation before, and I've also been that person

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Speaker 3: before and it definitely spikes feelings.

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Speaker 2: But it's kind of like what we talk about quite

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 3: But it's like it's just like your level of maturity

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Speaker 3: and truly shut yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Like I think like if you have especially if you're

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Speaker 1: things down or you just can't really venture into those

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Speaker 1: into that space.

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Speaker 2: It's trust at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: Even like with like my menstrual cycle, Like my feelings

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Speaker 3: of jealousy like changed roout different times of the month.

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Speaker 3: Because when I'm like on my period or coming onto

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Speaker 3: my period, I'm like absolutely insane and I like do

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Speaker 4: And then like after my period, I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: that was mad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's good, And do you communicate that thing? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always feel like I've got like a divorce woman

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Speaker 1: inside of me because my mom like fan of divorce,

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Speaker 1: like the hatred of men, and I feel.

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Speaker 2: Like I've got like a little divorce women inside of me.

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Speaker 2: I just stop beating divorced women. You need to stop

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Speaker 2: being divorcedomen. But it's so tasty and bitter.

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Speaker 3: I did think, like when you up, like I can

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Speaker 3: hear like a shrieking, shrill noise coming out.

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Speaker 1: Do you say that to your dad? So what was

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Speaker 1: it actually like going on a date with a couple,

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Speaker 1: because that's the first time you've done that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it didn't quite really feel like a day.

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Speaker 3: I just felt like I was interviewing them, to be honest, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like I didn't feel you know, I felt like I

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Speaker 3: actually wasn't really what they were looking for in the

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Speaker 3: sense that they weren't looking.

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Speaker 2: For a third.

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Speaker 3: They were looking for other couples, right, like in general.

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Speaker 3: And then they were like going to sex parties where

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Speaker 3: they were like, you know, finding thirds.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know if they were like actually like

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Speaker 4: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know if they'd had a threesome.

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Speaker 3: So I just felt like I was, you know, doing

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Speaker 3: very much like what I'm going to do when I

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Speaker 3: come to the dogging park and hamsterd Heath with you,

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Speaker 3: just like asking questions and what.

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Speaker 1: Yah yeah yeah yeah, And actually from like listening to

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Speaker 1: the electric energy from those clips on that.

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Speaker 2: Day, Yeah, I look forward to you being whilst I dog.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get deep dick dogged in hampsterdy Heath

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Speaker 1: because I would just.

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Speaker 3: Say, there like cheering you on so much, like I

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Speaker 3: was actually so proud of you.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes when you're trying to put a dick in your

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Speaker 2: ask what you need is a cheer.

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Speaker 4: You do need someone to be like, yep, you got this.

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Speaker 2: Give me an out. I'll spare me. If you need it,

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Speaker 2: I'll just spit someone got loose, I'll just driver next time.

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Speaker 3: On twenty eight dates later, can I just say if

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Speaker 3: I was going on a date with you, I'd be nervous.

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Speaker 3: Really yeah, that makes me so happy. I just I

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Speaker 3: love the idea that I make man nervous.

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Speaker 4: Around for me, I'm a survey it can hurt.

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