WEBVTT - Part One: Witches & Vampires in Folklore

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, your

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<v Speaker 2>weekly podcast that is usually one thing and this week

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<v Speaker 2>is a different thing. I'm your host, Margaret KILCHREI and

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<v Speaker 2>with me today as my guest, It's Francesca. Hi. How

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<v Speaker 2>are you Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really well. I mean kind of, I'm not well,

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<v Speaker 1>but like doing this show and doing something different than

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<v Speaker 1>news cycle made me say that I'm really well. And

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<v Speaker 1>also I haven't seen you in a while, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited because I loved being on this show last time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I loved having you on my podcast, Thebituation Room

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone should check out.

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<v Speaker 2>But hell, yeah, well done.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it? Thank you a little plug there? Why

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<v Speaker 1>is it different today? What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I decided that every now and then I need

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<v Speaker 2>to have weeks where I don't write half a novella's

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<v Speaker 2>worth of research every single week, and so sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>need to just read folklore, eh eh oh, because yeah

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<v Speaker 2>it's funny. Actually you were talking about, like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the reasons that I like doing this show is it

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's about political stuff and how people do things,

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<v Speaker 2>it's usually like one hundred years ago, right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't have to necessarily have that same doom

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<v Speaker 2>cycle that you do with your show that everyone should

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<v Speaker 2>check out. You can find me on any cycle news. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and and folklore. I feel like ties into that because

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the times when I do research episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>I get once you get like six hundred years in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, You're like, look, this is what we think.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's not true. We don't know what's true.

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<v Speaker 2>It was six hundred years ago. Like all of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that are written about are propaganda, you know, So

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<v Speaker 2>like the line between folklore and history, I would argue, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>is porous. That is my elaborate defense about how today

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<v Speaker 2>this week we're going to extend the spooky season and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about witches and vampires.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh my god, I just started rewatching Interview with

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<v Speaker 1>the Vampire, which is like the hernious movie of the

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<v Speaker 1>nineties and also so canceled for a million different reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I haven't rewatched it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And also just like really gay and horny, which

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<v Speaker 1>is great and like it's Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, it's it's canceled for other reasons, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's great. So and I've seen all the Twilights, which

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<v Speaker 1>I assume is the bar for being able to speak

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<v Speaker 1>with authority.

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<v Speaker 2>On Yeah, I think vampires. Yeah, that's the main thing

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to talk about today is actually yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well okay, it's funny because we'd be like, vampires don't twinkle, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>vampires don't do anything because they're not real. But beyond that,

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<v Speaker 2>like one of the things. And actually, because the style

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<v Speaker 2>of vampire stories we're going to read mostly on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>not today, you're going to have to hear about witches first, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but the line between witches and vampires is actually really blurry,

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<v Speaker 2>and like all of the specific stuff like vampires can't

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<v Speaker 2>do this and they can do that and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always been messy, it's always changed. It's not like

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<v Speaker 2>Dracula is a traditional vampire and Twilight is non traditional vampires,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean to some degree. But the idea of the

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<v Speaker 2>vampire is the like suave, sexy aristocrat is a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit newer and also really politically charged. And why is

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<v Speaker 2>the witch like the cat lady? It's like, who like

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<v Speaker 2>has cobwebs in her vagina? Like come on now, like

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<v Speaker 2>why can't she be hot and horny? And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the second time I said, horny and inside of how

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<v Speaker 2>many minutes are we running? Well, we're talking about witches

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<v Speaker 2>and vampires, so there's no other.

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<v Speaker 1>Option now, I yeah, well this is m I'm so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited I won't interrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's okay, I mean, well, okay, So first we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about witches. And this came up because I

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<v Speaker 2>just did this whole episode on the history of Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>and Sooen and all hollows tied and spooky season holidays,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, thought, I was going to read

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of folklore on it. And so I started

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<v Speaker 2>reading all these stories and I liked some of them

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, but they didn't quite tie in. But I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, I want to read them anyway because

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<v Speaker 2>they're really interesting to me. Did you know about witches

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<v Speaker 2>and sieves? Sieves? Sieves? You know the thing you strain

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<v Speaker 2>water through colander? Yeah? Basically no. No, So there's all

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<v Speaker 2>of this connection between witches and sieves I did not expect. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to read a story that it's

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<v Speaker 2>from Ireland. It's called The Horned Women. Most of the

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<v Speaker 2>versions that I'm using. Oh, speaking of horny anyway, Most

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<v Speaker 2>of the versions I'm going to be using are from

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the folklore that I end up reading

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<v Speaker 2>was like collected and usually the late nineteenth early twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>or sometimes the mid nineteenth century by various folkloress where

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<v Speaker 2>they go around and are like, tell me you're weird,

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<v Speaker 2>wacky beliefs. I'm a good modern person who also read

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<v Speaker 2>wacky beliefs.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, how do you live when they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just rural and poor?

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, okay, yeah totally. And so this first story,

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<v Speaker 2>it was actually collected in a book that Yates frequent,

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<v Speaker 2>not hero of the pod, but just sort of shows

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<v Speaker 2>up in the weird background. He was obsessed with collecting

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<v Speaker 2>Irish folklore, and so he and a couple other people

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<v Speaker 2>collected a book and so this is from that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called The Horned Women.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to read it in an Irish accent?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I wish I could do an accent to save

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<v Speaker 2>my life. But if someone held a gun to my

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<v Speaker 2>head and was like speak British or die, I'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I gouvna don't shoot me in Mamela no funny like

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<v Speaker 2>hostage did you suation?

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<v Speaker 1>Like of like you must do an impeccable posh accent, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in order to live. And you're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>fish and Chip, and they're like nope, Like come.

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<v Speaker 2>On, yeah, what would be the accent that you would

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<v Speaker 2>do to save your life? If someone was like, do

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<v Speaker 2>an accent and die, well.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is is that if it's a non white accent,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're immediately canceled. So don't you sort of die.

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<v Speaker 2>And don't oh yeah, little death.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I here's here's the one that would be very

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<v Speaker 1>I think Irish would be difficult. You know why because

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<v Speaker 1>I always descend for between Jamaican and Irish, like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>i'll be doing an Irish accent. I can't even do

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore, and then it suddenly sounds Jamaica and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, Irish Jake it are really similar

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<v Speaker 1>and those are both terrible accents. But like, either way,

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm listening, I've i'm i'm the s'mores are over

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<v Speaker 1>the fireplace.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I have read about why the Jamaican accent has

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<v Speaker 2>to do with Irish accent and is a while ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I'm probably gonna get this wrong, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is something to do with the working class of Jamaica

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<v Speaker 2>and like influence or the other the white poor people

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<v Speaker 2>we are there were irish, I think, And if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm wrong, and so don't take this as fackt okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But the weirdest thing anyone I know has ever been

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<v Speaker 2>mugged for. I swear at some point I'm gonna read

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<v Speaker 2>this story. Some of my friends were once mugged for

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<v Speaker 2>push ups. What they were walking home middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Some guys came up with a gun and were like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. They were like, give us some money, and

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<v Speaker 2>my friends are like, we don't have any money. Were punks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And then the people were like, bullshit, give me twenty

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<v Speaker 2>push ups and made my friends do twenty push ups.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we're like, all right, you're cool. You did

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<v Speaker 2>twenty push ups.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh huh oh damn yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See that would be rough. I would probably get to

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and then I'd need like a water break.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the gun would count as the water

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<v Speaker 2>break for me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, for sure, he would the adrenaline, would you Yeah? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>I always used to think was like what if my

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<v Speaker 1>mom was in dangered like do.

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<v Speaker 2>Doo doo doo doo.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and I'd always I remember when I was little,

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<v Speaker 1>like run to the bus like that, or run really far,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I eventually lose steam, and I'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Be like, oh, you killed her any pretty much killed

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<v Speaker 2>your mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I did.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a story about impossible tasks that have been

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<v Speaker 2>set upon people. That was my clever transition that I

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<v Speaker 2>totally planned, all right. Horned women. A rich woman sat

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<v Speaker 2>up late one night carding and preparing wool, while all

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<v Speaker 2>the family and servants were asleep. Suddenly a knock was

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<v Speaker 2>given at the door, and a voice called, open, open,

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<v Speaker 2>Who is there, said the woman of the house. I

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<v Speaker 2>am the witch of one horn, was answered The mistress,

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<v Speaker 2>supposing that one of her neighbors had called and required assistance,

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<v Speaker 2>opened the door, and a woman entered, having in her

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<v Speaker 2>hand a pair of wool carters and burying a horn

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<v Speaker 2>on her forehead as if growing there. She sat down

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<v Speaker 2>by the fire in silence and began to card the

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<v Speaker 2>wool with violent haste. Suddenly she paused and said aloud,

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<v Speaker 2>where are the women? They delay too long? Then a

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<v Speaker 2>second knock came to the door, and a voice called

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<v Speaker 2>out as before open Open. The mistress felt herself obliged

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<v Speaker 2>to rise and open the call, And immediately a second

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<v Speaker 2>witch entered, having two horns on her forehead and in

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<v Speaker 2>her hand a wheel for spinning wool. Give me place,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, I am the witch of two horns, and

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<v Speaker 2>she began to spin as quick as lightning. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the knocks went on, and the call was heard, and

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<v Speaker 2>the witches entered, until at last twelve women sat round

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<v Speaker 2>the fire, the first with one horn, the last with

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<v Speaker 2>twelve horns.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, yeah, like, where do they all?

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<v Speaker 2>Where are they coming from?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with your head, the back of your head. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they sleep like as are they smaller?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? They sleep like baths? Okay, yeah, keep going. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they carted the thread and turned their spinning wheels,

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<v Speaker 2>and wound and wove, all singing together an ancient rhyme.

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<v Speaker 2>But no word did they speak to the mistress of

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Strange to hear and frightful to look upon

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<v Speaker 2>where these twelve women with their horns and their wheels.

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<v Speaker 2>And the mistress felt near to death, and she tried

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<v Speaker 2>to rise, that she might call for help, But she

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<v Speaker 2>could not move, nor could she utter a word or

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<v Speaker 2>a cry. For the spell of the witches was upon her.

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<v Speaker 2>Then one of them called to her an irish, and said,

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<v Speaker 2>rise woman, and make us a cake. What a fucking mastard,

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<v Speaker 2>Just misogynist witch right there, making that woman that's not

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<v Speaker 2>in the story. That's my all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how are you gonna like after just giving you place,

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<v Speaker 1>like to spin your little wool? Yeah and be all

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<v Speaker 1>horned up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the mistress searched for a vessel to bring

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<v Speaker 2>water from the well that she might mix the meal

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<v Speaker 2>and make the cake. But she could find none, and

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<v Speaker 2>they said to her, take a sieve and bring water

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<v Speaker 2>in it. Woo eh. And she took the sieve and

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<v Speaker 2>went to the well, but the water poured from it

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<v Speaker 2>and she could fetch none for the cake. And she

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<v Speaker 2>sat down by the well and wept. Then a voice

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<v Speaker 2>came by her and said, take yellow clay and moss

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<v Speaker 2>and bind them together, and plaster the sieve so that

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<v Speaker 2>it will hold. This. She did, and the sieve held

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<v Speaker 2>the water for the cake. And the voice said again, return,

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<v Speaker 2>and when thou comest to the north angle of the house,

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<v Speaker 2>cry aloud three times, and say the mountain of the

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<v Speaker 2>Fenian women and the sky over it is all on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>And she did so When the witches inside heard the call,

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<v Speaker 2>a great and terrible cry broke from their lips, and

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<v Speaker 2>they rushed forth with wild lamentations and shrieks, and fled

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<v Speaker 2>away to Slievenamon, where was their chief abode. But the

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<v Speaker 2>spirit of the well bade the mistress of the house

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<v Speaker 2>to enter and prepare her home against the enchantments of

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<v Speaker 2>the witches if they returned again. And first, to break

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<v Speaker 2>their spells, she sprinkled the water in which she had

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<v Speaker 2>washed her child's feet, the feet water outside of the door.

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<v Speaker 2>You kept that right, No, the feet water.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Obviously, every time I give my baby a bath,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, ooh, this is the feet water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I store in jars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to give to your kid when they become.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna yeah, I mean it's part of the dowry

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<v Speaker 1>when I, you know, pay pay the family to take

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<v Speaker 1>her in and marry her off.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is the baby's feet water, yeah, exactly, because.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't have money. It'd be that in like a

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<v Speaker 1>little cut of my patreon anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So and first to break their spells, she sprinkled the

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<v Speaker 2>water in which she had washed her her child's feet,

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<v Speaker 2>the feet water outside the door on the threshold. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 2>she took the cake, which in her absence, the witches

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<v Speaker 2>had made of meal mixed with the blood drawn from

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<v Speaker 2>the sleeping family.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh, yeah, they killed the family. Thought okay, good, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is part of why the witches and the

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<v Speaker 2>vampires went together. I thought it was gonna be all witches.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a seamless transition between these two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But and she broke the cake into bits and placed

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<v Speaker 2>a bit in the mouth of each sleeper. Yeah they're

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<v Speaker 2>not dead, They're just had some blood drawn.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were restored. And she took the cloth they

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<v Speaker 2>had woven and placed it half in and half out

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<v Speaker 2>of the chest with the padlock. And lastly she secured

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<v Speaker 2>the door with a great crossbeam fastened in the jams,

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<v Speaker 2>so that the witches could not enter. And having done

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<v Speaker 2>these things, she waited. Not long were the witches and

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<v Speaker 2>coming back, and they raged and called for vengeance. Open open,

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<v Speaker 2>they screamed, open feet water. Damn they called you feet water.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they were talking to the feet water, because yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>shut up, the feet is our sench feet water sentient.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yeah, I cannot said the feet water.

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<v Speaker 2>I am scattered on the ground, and my path is

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<v Speaker 2>down to the low open open wood and trees and beam,

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<v Speaker 2>they cried to the door. I cannot said the door,

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<v Speaker 2>for the beam is fixed in the gems and I

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<v Speaker 2>have no power to move. Open open cake that we

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<v Speaker 2>made and mingled with blood, they cried again. I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>said the cake, for I am broken and bruised, and

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<v Speaker 2>my blood is on the lips of the sleeping children.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh cake, week though, yeah, cake kind of weak.

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<v Speaker 2>Then the witches rushed through the air with great cries

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<v Speaker 2>and fled back to Sleeveniman, uttering strange curses and on

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<v Speaker 2>the spirit of the well who had wished their ruin.

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<v Speaker 2>But the woman and the house were left in peace,

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<v Speaker 2>and a mantle dropped by one of the witches in

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<v Speaker 2>her flight was kept hung up by the mistress and

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<v Speaker 2>memory of that night, And this mantle was kept by

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<v Speaker 2>the same family from generation to generation for five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years after.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, what was on the mantle? The feet water? Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot no, no, okay, so the feet water is

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<v Speaker 2>on the doorstep right right. And because they were like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>you're inside feet water, you're our friend. Why don't you

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<v Speaker 2>like come open? The door and they're like, ah, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>we're outside with you, right, and they can't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>The mantle had the the mantle the shawl, I think

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<v Speaker 2>basically one of the witches shawl. Ah, and so this

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<v Speaker 2>shawl has been passed on for five hundred years, which

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<v Speaker 2>is how we know it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>Well obviously, I mean if there's a shawl, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that is evident. Yeah right there. This is when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I just want to be in the book club.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is the part where you tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what it all means.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm like, I spent so long looking for what

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<v Speaker 2>this means.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows what it means. I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>someone out there has some ideas. I've read a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people's ideas. Mostly what it means is watch out

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<v Speaker 2>for which is they'll fuck you up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, They'll they'll make you like get water and

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<v Speaker 1>like put some weird clay in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well okay, wait, see the witches were like get water,

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<v Speaker 2>but she couldn't do it. So the spirit of the

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<v Speaker 2>well helped her figure out how to do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you actually there's multiple spiritual things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, which is unclear, but okay, so the

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<v Speaker 1>well kind of swooped in. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of the traditional Irish folklore things is

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<v Speaker 2>spirits and wells, and they're usually like positive spirits is

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<v Speaker 2>like where like good fairies are hanging out basically, and

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<v Speaker 2>you actually get all this interesting stuff where that tend

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<v Speaker 2>of type of belief lasted way longer through syncreticism and

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<v Speaker 2>like the Catholic takeover of Ireland as compared to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of other stuff. And so you have this thing

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<v Speaker 2>in like the late nineteenth century where like the Catholic

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<v Speaker 2>Church was like, could you all stop having fairy wells

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<v Speaker 2>and people were like, no, we like our fairy wells. No,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like they would like make them into saint

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<v Speaker 2>wells instead, be like, ah, this is like Saint as

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<v Speaker 2>Is well and that's whotah steam.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right right? Oh, I love that. That's so perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so perfectly Catholic. I mean, that's what they did

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<v Speaker 1>around all over Latin America, which which kind of to

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<v Speaker 1>the credit of Catholics, there's been a lot of like

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<v Speaker 1>blood and gore, but there's been also a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a like okay, fine, there's fairies and there's spirits

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<v Speaker 1>and Wells, we can incorporate your indigenous and you're like

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<v Speaker 1>sort of you know, pre inking in Latin America's case,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, religion, and then we'll just incorporate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like colonized people are like, okay, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>incorporate all the other people that want to come, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>impose their religion on us onto our original thing, which

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<v Speaker 1>is fairies in Wells.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, So I love that. Yeah, I'm such a

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<v Speaker 2>sucker for syncretism. Everyone who's been listening, especially the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple episodes, like hearing me talk about that all the time. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm such a sucker for the way that these things

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<v Speaker 2>like blend and shift and like how we like almost

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what's original and what's like comes from

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, there's like no purity and then even

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<v Speaker 2>like any like folk tradition is also always shifting, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I'm a big sucker for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did lucky charms come from? Ireland? Irish people? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>exactly who put marshmallows in cereal?

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<v Speaker 2>First?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Yeah, I don't know. Here's the thing about fairy

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<v Speaker 1>tales that always sort of like weird me out, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe makes sense. It's a little bit like it. This

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<v Speaker 1>story goes like a horror film, right, which is like

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<v Speaker 1>this person is trapped by these sort of other worldly

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<v Speaker 1>creatures and they kind of keep doing the thing and

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<v Speaker 1>you're watching it unfold and you're like, just go away, totally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, star, don't you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need water. Don't get them water because they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make the cake into the evil cake.

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<v Speaker 2>And then no, no, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But but this of course has the twist, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like every horror film, you know, you did something utilizing

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<v Speaker 1>this extra worldly figure's own weapon against it, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>killed it for now, But then there's still that little mantle,

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<v Speaker 1>the reminder, the shawl that's like, ooh, this is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be a great franchise, you know, like this yeah, totally

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<v Speaker 1>evil shawl, you know, and will have many sequels. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's always like the little button of every folklore. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like in every horror movie, really is the button

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<v Speaker 1>of this phantom or demon or whatever it was it was,

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<v Speaker 1>the villain in the story is always kind of gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stay there, like it's always like a hand doll that's

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<v Speaker 1>still cackling.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally, and when you asked me earlier about one of

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<v Speaker 2>what the story means. One of the other things I

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<v Speaker 2>ran across a little bit and is also some of

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<v Speaker 2>my own inference, is that a lot of witch stuff

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<v Speaker 2>is a fear of the wild women, right, It's a

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<v Speaker 2>fear of the women who live outside of especially like

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<v Speaker 2>modern civilization and the church. And so you have whereas

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<v Speaker 2>the well is like more fully incorporated the ones who's

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<v Speaker 2>had orgasms. I mean, that's yeah, exactly what I'm saying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's like, here's the women who live alone

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<v Speaker 2>on the mountain, right, yeah. And then so they come

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<v Speaker 2>down and they're doing this terrible thing where they're weaving,

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, and like and it's a rich woman. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>how much of this is like, you know, cause a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of fear of the pagan Irish is part of

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<v Speaker 2>fear of the Catholic Irish, and like it gets into

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<v Speaker 2>it and I don't quite I wanted more about this

0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.679
<v Speaker 2>particular story, and I couldn't. I have yet to find it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've only read so many books about this kind of shit,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, But.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what are we talking about with pagan like in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of paganism, Like where does that fit in as

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<v Speaker 1>someone who doesn't know shit about history, like like where

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<v Speaker 1>are we in that? Like when did this story come out?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before I answer that question, I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you about sweet sweet deals on stuff that like haunted

0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>mantles and sieves that you can keep water in. So

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<v Speaker 2>here's those and we're back. Okay. So this particular story

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<v Speaker 2>is mid nineteenth century, maybe end of nineteenth century. I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot right down the specific year, but it's and it

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<v Speaker 2>was collected by Yates went around and he collected all

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<v Speaker 2>these Irish folk stories and then he like in the

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of books of it, he's like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a dick about it. He's like, look at these backwards people, right, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>But then by the end he's like, I believe in

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. I'm in a cultist now, I like have

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<v Speaker 2>joined the I can't remember which occultist order he joined,

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<v Speaker 2>but he joined one of the occultist orders. He's like, sketchy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to like, but but oh, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's in one of the footnotes of the stories that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't end up including he wrote a footnote that's like

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<v Speaker 2>about a character named Seamus, and it's like, I really

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<v Speaker 2>wish I had the quote directly in front of me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's the footnote is like, the Celtic vocal chords

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<v Speaker 2>are incapable of producing the sound of the letter J.

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<v Speaker 2>So therefore Irish people instead of John are named Sean

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<v Speaker 2>and instead of James are named Seamus. And so he's

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<v Speaker 2>like explaining why this character's named Seamus by saying that

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<v Speaker 2>Celtic people are incapable, like their vocal chords are developed wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I love it weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's one which story and you already have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of the vampire shit, right, they're drawing

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<v Speaker 2>blood out of the kids. Now I'm gonna go over

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<v Speaker 2>to Russia. And then this is the same time period

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<v Speaker 2>and instead these were collected in a kind of similar

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<v Speaker 2>style of book, although we spookier overall, Like I feel

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>like the Irish stuff is like otherworldly and haunting, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the Russian shit is like everyone's gonna fucking die

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<v Speaker 2>and they might not even fucking stay dead. This is

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<v Speaker 2>fucking Russia, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a but it's better than what's going on

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 1>in the living world. Yeah, that's true, sweet sweet death.

0:23:08.680 --> 0:23:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this story the witch Girl was written down

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 2>by someone named W. R. S. Ralston in a book

0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:21.280
<v Speaker 2>called Russian Fairy Tales and oh god, there's a and

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<v Speaker 2>again this is a late nineteen This is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like some shit I would have discovered when I was

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<v Speaker 1>like fourteen, and like really in a spooky story. So

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<v Speaker 1>have you read the Russian shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, exactly. No, I'm like I spent yeah, a while,

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<v Speaker 2>like look, picking which stories I was going to pick

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<v Speaker 2>to read today.

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<v Speaker 1>And like.

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<v Speaker 2>When I went to I was going through all the

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<v Speaker 2>books on my shelf and stuff, and then I like

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<v Speaker 2>got to the Russian one and there's like a section

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 2>where it's just like the old gods the undead, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, man, why did I wait so long to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the Russian parts? But this is a very

0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 2>different way of dealing with a witch, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about how connects to vampires the witch girl. Late one evening,

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<v Speaker 2>a Cossack rode into a village, pulled up at its

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<v Speaker 2>last cottage, and cried, hey, master, will you let me

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<v Speaker 2>spend the night here? Come in if you don't fear death?

0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:16.760
<v Speaker 1>What sort of a never mind? I'm cool, Yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>just go ask the next house down.

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I would probably be my response, Yeah, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean my horse could ride all night like fuck it, Like, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a lantern. We'll just sleep outside. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the stars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What sort of a reply is that? Thought the

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>cossack as he put his horse up in the stable

0:24:36.680 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 2>after he had given it its food, and went into

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the cottage. There he saw its inmates, which is such

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.120
<v Speaker 2>a way to call the people who live somewhere. Yeah,

0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 2>there he saw its inmates, men and women and little children,

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<v Speaker 2>all sobbing and crying and praying to God. And when

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>they had done praying, they began putting on clean shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you crying about, asked the cossack. Why you see,

0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>replied the master of the house in our death goes

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>about at night in whatsoever cottage she looks there. Next

0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.400
<v Speaker 2>morning one has to put all the people who lived

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<v Speaker 2>in it into coffins and carry them off to the graveyard.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight it's our turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like I was saying, I'm sure there's another town,

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.560
<v Speaker 1>just like a few miles down the road. So good

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>luck with all that.

0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Lovely town. I'll come back, Yeah, come back when you're

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<v Speaker 1>not dealing with the whole death thing.

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:35.119
<v Speaker 2>I'll write your tail. But yeah, I'll tell your story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what was your name?

0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta go Yeah, never fear master. Without God's will, no

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>pig gets its fill, is what the cossack says. Mmm.

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>The people of the house lay down to sleep, but

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 2>the cossack was on the lookout and never closed an eye.

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>That's nice, yeah, exactly. At midnight the window opened. At

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<v Speaker 2>the window appeared a witch all in white. She took

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<v Speaker 2>a sprinkler. I think this means like one of those

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>like shaky holy stick, holy you know, the things that

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 2>you like walk around and like spray. No one can

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:10.679
<v Speaker 2>see me gesticulating except you, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a like a room diffuser.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sinking, like the like you know, you put

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 2>holy water and the like stick on a yeah, ball

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and a stick. That's what I think a sprinkler is

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<v Speaker 2>in this context. Okay, that's my best guess. She took

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<v Speaker 2>a sprinkler, passed her arm into the cottage and was

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<v Speaker 2>just on the point of sprinkling when the cossack suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>gave his saber a sweep and cut her arm off

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<v Speaker 2>close to the shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>The witch howled, squealed, yelped like a dog, and fled away.

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<v Speaker 2>But the cossack picked up the severed arm, hid it

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 2>under his cloak, washed away the stains of blood, and

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<v Speaker 2>lay down to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Next morning, the master and his mistress awoke and saw

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<v Speaker 2>that everyone, without a single exception, was alive and well,

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>and they were delighted beyond expression. If you like, says

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<v Speaker 2>the cossack, I'll show you death. Called together all the

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.119
<v Speaker 2>Sotnicks and dat Nicks, which I don't know what, are

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 2>as quickly as possible, and let's go through the village

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and look for her. Straight away, all the sat Knicks

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 2>and Deastniks came together and went from house to house.

0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.359
<v Speaker 2>In this one, there's nothing, in that one, there's nothing.

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Until last they came to the Ponemer's cottage. Is all

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>your family present, asked the cossack. No, my own. One

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.560
<v Speaker 2>of my daughters is ill. She's lying on the stove there.

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 2>The cossack looked towards the stove. One of the girl's

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>arms had evidently been cut off. Thereupon, he told the

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>whole story of what had taken place, and brought out

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.919
<v Speaker 2>and showed the arm which had been cut off. The

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:45.840
<v Speaker 2>commune rewarded the cossack with a sum of money and

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.640
<v Speaker 2>ordered that witch to be drowned.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why wit was this Wait, so I'm sorry, huh

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Was she a daughter someone's daughter? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the witch was just someone's daughter who's going

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>around sprinkling into people's houses.

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 1>She was was she sprinkling? It was probably something good,

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.479
<v Speaker 1>probably some like you know, happy little fairy dust. But

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>they're saying that. I don't know, I call bullshit on

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:17.399
<v Speaker 1>this one because we all know again, yeah, which is

0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it was just she was trying out some

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of like you know, new potpourri, or like trying

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 1>her own to make some perfume, or they hated her.

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't I feel like the Cossack's

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>not the hero in this.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, honestly, I have yet to read a history of

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>that includes the Cossacks in which they are not the villains.

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Usually they are running around depressing people. So right, well, okay,

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>but that is one of the things that's so interesting

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.360
<v Speaker 2>about fairy tales, right, Like the rich woman is the

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>hero of the first one, the cossack is the hero

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of the second one. Like folk tales exist to like

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>replicate social values. You know. Yes, Now, don't get me wrong,

0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>if there's a witch going around door to door sprinkling

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>death into people's houses. It might make sense to cut

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>off her arm. It might even make sense to drown her.

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Might be I don't know, you know, we could try

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 2>some kind of accountability process, you know, but.

0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:18.160
<v Speaker 1>She should at least I mean, do process, you know,

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>totally have a trial.

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Totally.

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But like I said, like death was just the name

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 1>of the perfume. Like it was like deaf by Witch.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally, and everyone like everyone ran out of the

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 2>house and like went and sold it, you know, and

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>that was like why yeah, it.

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 1>Was it was like the Avon of that time, you know. Yeah,

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>I like like the witches were just like avon sellers.

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 1>For Yeah, here's the thing about this, it's just like,

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>what are we supposed to understand? Is it just like

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 1>celebrating a soldier or celebrating because that's what a cousic is,

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 1>right basically.

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like a it's complicated and I don't have

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 2>all the answers in but yeah, it's like mounted soldiers

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that are kind of from a culture of that, you know.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Right right right. But also anyway, it's like what is

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the witch come? Like, what are they supposed to teach you.

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>What are we supposed to learn? Or is it just like, yeah,

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>wily women, yeah are always going to try and like

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's what we're the death of you.

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should beware of women, That is the lesson

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>of this, because they're all witches, or at least some

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 2>of them are, and you never know which ones, So

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:27.160
<v Speaker 2>you should probably lop off some people's arms.

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>And I actually I am going to quote a little

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:32.280
<v Speaker 2>bit more from that book, a paragraph that sort of

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 2>explains puts context around this. It's from the same book

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>the Russian fairy tales. Stories of this kind are common

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>in all lands, but the witches about whom they're told

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>generally assume the forms of beasts of prey, especially of

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>wolves or of cats. A long string of similar tales

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>we found in doctor Wilhelm Hurst's excellent and exhaustive monograph

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>on were Wolves. Very important also is the Polish story

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 2>told by Wosik of the village which is attacked by

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the plague, embodied in the form of a woman who

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.200
<v Speaker 2>roams from house to house in search of victims. One night,

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 2>as she goes her rounds, all doors and windows have

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:13.239
<v Speaker 2>been barred against her except one casement. This has been

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>left open by a nobleman who is ready to sacrifice

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>himself for the sake of others. The pest maiden arrives

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:21.959
<v Speaker 2>and thrusts her arm her arm in at his window.

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>The nobleman cuts it off and so rids the village

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>of its fatal visitor. In an Indian story, a hero

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.680
<v Speaker 2>undertakes to watch beside the couch of a haunted princess.

0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why the hero is like waiting behind

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a princess's couch. That doesn't seem very heroic. That seems

0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of like stalker behavior.

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, you know, totally. When all is still, a

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Rakshasa appears on the threshold, opens the door and thrusts

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>into the room and arm, which the hero cuts off.

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>The fiend disappears, howling leaves his arm behind. So apparently

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole thing cutting off motherfucker's arms.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that is uh, I guess that's how you get

0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 1>rid of them. But also, you know, remembering like like

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>the pest witch. The pest girl.

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Just sounds The pest.

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Maiden sounds like a sex worker who or like an adult,

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.959
<v Speaker 1>like someone who a woman who tempts you? Who you know?

0:32:18.080 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm just imagining, like who's actually writing these things down?

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 1>But maybe it is. Maybe it's like word of mouth,

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and obviously women and men, but I can only imagine

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 1>it's like men writing this down, or like at least

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know who are like, Oh, that pest maiden is

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>going to tempt me, better cut off her arm. Yeah,

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>so she can't touch my wi wei.

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is more or less what a lot of

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>this stuff comes down to. I got one more witch story,

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. This one's another Russian story. It's called

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the Witch and this version comes from Andrew Lang from

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 2>the Yellow Fairy Book. It's another nineteenth century book. Once

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>upon a time there was a peasant whose wife died,

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 2>leaving him with two children, a boy and a girl.

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 2>For some years, the poor man lived alone with his children,

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 2>caring for them as best he could, but everything in

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the house seemed to go wrong without a woman to

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 2>look after it. And at last he made up his

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>mind to Mary. I know, right, I mean that's sort

0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of true. Anyways, at last he made up his mind

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>to marry again, feeling that a wife would bring peace

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>and order to his household, and take care of his

0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 2>motherless children, so he married. In the following years, several

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>children were born to him, but peace and order did

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>not come to the household, for the stepmother was very

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>cruel to the twins and beat them and af starved them,

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 2>and constantly drove them out of the house. For her

0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>one idea was to get them out of the way.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 2>All day she thought of nothing but how she could

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>get rid of them, And at last an evil idea

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>came into her head, and she determined to send them

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>out into the great gloomy wood where a wicked witch lived.

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>And so one morning she spoke to them, saying, you

0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>have been such good children that I'm going to send

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>you to visit my granny, who lives in a dear

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>little hut in the wood. Oh yeah, you will have

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.160
<v Speaker 2>to wait upon her and serve her, but you will

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>be well rewarded, and for she will give you the

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.920
<v Speaker 2>best of everything. So the children left the house together,

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:16.399
<v Speaker 2>and the little sister, who is very wise for her years,

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 2>said to her brother, we will first go to see

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 2>our own dear grandmother and tell her where our stepmother

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 2>is sending us.

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Hm, smart, smart, leave it to the sister.

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.399
<v Speaker 2>Yep, And when the grandmother heard where they were going,

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 2>she cried and said, you poor motherless children. How I

0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 2>pity you, and yet I can do nothing to help you. Yeah,

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm not what, Yeah, I don't know.

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh only, but you know that your stepmother, you know

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.879
<v Speaker 1>she she lets me borrow all her jewels and wear

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>her handbags.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. Yeah, Sorry, your stepmother is not sending you

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to her granny, but to a wicked witch who lives

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 2>in that great gloomy Wood. Now listen to me, children,

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.399
<v Speaker 2>You must be civil, unkind to everyone, and never say

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a crossword to anyone, and never touch a crumb belonging

0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 2>to anyone else. Who knows if, after all, help may

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:11.959
<v Speaker 2>not be sent to you. And she gave her grandchildren

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>a bottle of milk and a piece of ham and

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>a loaf of bread. And they set out for the

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.960
<v Speaker 2>great gloomy Wood. When they reached it, they saw in

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 2>front of them, in the thickest of the trees, a

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 2>queer little hut. And when they looked up into it,

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 2>there lay the witch, with her head on the threshold

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.279
<v Speaker 2>of the door, with one foot in one corner and

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 2>the other in the other corner, and her knees cocked

0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 2>up almost touching the ceiling.

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, first of all, honey, you need a bigger place.

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I know. And so this is actually one of the

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 2>reasons I wanted to do this. One last year for Halloween,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>I did an episode with Jamie Loftus where we talked

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>about Bobby Yaga, the famous Russian witch uh huh. And

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>this is really interesting to me because this is totally

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.759
<v Speaker 2>a Bobba yagas story. They just don't call her that,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of the same shit, Like Bobby Aga

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>is like weird and fits strange in her house and

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 2>when she lays down, her huge nose touches the ceiling

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:03.040
<v Speaker 2>and like.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great pronunciation. I was just gonna say

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Yaga, But Bobby Yaga is even that's like a

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>that's like a brand.

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I looked it up before I did

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the episode last time. And so I've become that pedant

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.560
<v Speaker 2>where like all my friends are talking about Bobby Yaga

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, Babba yeah ga, and and it's really fun.

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Everyone really likes me. And that's why I live alone

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, in the Gloomy Wood. I do live

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 2>in the gloomy wood by myself. It's very nice. Honestly,

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>I have a dog. It's not so bad. Yeah.

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Do witches ever have dogs?

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Usually?

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Not?

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Usually cats? But this is a mistake. I think all

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>all of these creatures are welcome. Dogs are great, a

0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit more, you know, less lonely with it. I mean,

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 2>cats are good. I'm not talking shit, but anyway, who's there?

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 2>She snarled in an awful voice when she saw the children,

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.759
<v Speaker 2>and they answered civilly, though they were so terrified that

0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:03.240
<v Speaker 2>they hit behind one another and said, good morning, granny.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Our stepmother has sent us this way, sent us to

0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>wait upon you and serve you. See that you do

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>it well? Then growled the witch. Oh, if I am

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:14.640
<v Speaker 2>pleased with you, I'll reward you. But if I am not,

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll put you in a pan and fry you in

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the oven. That's what I'll do with you. You, my

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty deers, you have been gently reared, but you'll find

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 2>my work hard enough, see if you don't.

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they've been living with their stepmom, so I

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>feel like, yeah, like this is going to be maybe

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.879
<v Speaker 1>an upgrade for them, right, Yeah, we don't eat back

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>at home, so yeah.

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Totally at least we'll get to eat one of us,

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you get to eat the other if it goes.

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Wrong, exactly, exactly finally.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so saying, she set the girl down a

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.759
<v Speaker 2>spin yard, and she gave the boy a sieve with

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 2>which to carry water from the well. Again, yeah, that's

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the other reason I included this because I like

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>one of my whole things I love about history and

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>folklore and stuff is like finding the weird connections, you know,

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 2>And so that this is both a Bobby a Gus story,

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and it has the sieve thing totally into it. Gave

0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the boy a sieved with which to carry water from

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:10.879
<v Speaker 2>the well, and she herself went out into the wood. Now,

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 2>as the girl was sitting at her distaff distaff which

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 2>is some fucking spinning thing, weeping bitterly because she could

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>not spin, she heard the sound of hundreds of little feet,

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and from every hole in the corner in the hut,

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:27.879
<v Speaker 2>mice came pattering along the floor, squeaking and saying, little girl,

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 2>why are your eyes so red? If you want help,

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 2>then give us some bread. And the girl gave them

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the bread that her grandmother had given her. Then the

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 2>mice told her that the witch had a cat, and

0:38:39.560 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the cat was very fond of ham. If she would

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>give the cat her ham, it would show her the

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.000
<v Speaker 2>way out of the wood, and in the meantime they

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>would spin the yarn for her. So the girl set

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 2>out to look for the cat, and as she was

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 2>hunting about, she met her brother in great trouble because

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.400
<v Speaker 2>he could not carry water from the well in a sieve,

0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 2>as it came pouring out as fast as he put

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 2>it in. And as she was trying to comfort him,

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:05.239
<v Speaker 2>they heard a rustling of wings, and a flight of

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>wrens alighted on the ground beside them, and the wrens said,

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>give us some crumbs, then you need not grieve, for

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 2>you'll find that water will stay in the sea. I

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>think it's pronounced sieve, but honestly is a translation anyway,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:22.799
<v Speaker 2>so maybe nineteenth century British guy, I don't know. Then

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>the twins crumbled their bread on the ground, and the

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>wrens pecked it and chirruped and chirped, And when they

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 2>had eaten the last crumb, they told the boy to

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>fill up the holes in the sieve with clay, and

0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>then to draw water from the well. So he did

0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>what they said, and carried the sieve full of water

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:40.239
<v Speaker 2>into the hut without spilling a drop. When they entered

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the hut, the cat was curled up on the floor,

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 2>so they stroked her and fed her with ham and

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 2>said to her, pussy, gray pussy, tell us how we

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>are to get away from the witch. Then the cat

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.720
<v Speaker 2>thanked them for the ham and gave them a pocket

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.319
<v Speaker 2>handkerchief and a comb, and told them that when the

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>witch pursued them, as she certainly would, all they had

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 2>to do was throw the handkerchief on the ground and

0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 2>run as fast as they could. As soon as the

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 2>handkerchief touched the ground, a deep, broad river would spring up,

0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 2>which would hinder the witch's progress. If she managed to

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.440
<v Speaker 2>get across it, they must throw the comb behind them

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and run for their lives, for where the comb fell,

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>a dense forest would start up, which would delay the

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>witch so long that they would be able to get

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 2>safely away. And so this is another part that's part

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 2>of another fucking Bobby a Gos story that I read

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 2>last year, only in that one they're like underground and

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's a lesbian story that won't admit it's a lesbian story.

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>The cat had scarcely finished speaking when the witch returned

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.800
<v Speaker 2>to see if the children had fulfilled their tasks. Ooh,

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 2>just in the nikka time. Shut up, cat, I know

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 2>right well, you have done well enough for today, she grumbled.

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.319
<v Speaker 2>But tomorrow you'll have something more difficult to do, and

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>if you don't do it well, you pampered brats straight

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:52.800
<v Speaker 2>into the oven.

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:57.839
<v Speaker 1>You go, Oh, I feel like you got to kill

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.919
<v Speaker 1>the mice and the cats, and which can be fucked

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>up because they just helped you. So what do you

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:03.240
<v Speaker 1>do anyway?

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, if that's the task, Oh my god, that

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 2>was brutal.

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>Skin the cat.

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>You should write folklore. It would be terrifying. Half dead

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>with fright and trembling in every limb, the poor children

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>laid down to sleep in a heap of straw in

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 2>the corner of the hut, but they dared not close

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>their eyes and scarcely ventured to breathe. In the morning,

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the witch gave the girl two pieces of linen to

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.880
<v Speaker 2>weave before night, and the boy a pile of wood

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to cut into chips. Then the witch left them to

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 2>their tasks and went and went out into the wood.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>As soon as she had gone out of sight, the

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 2>children took the comb and the handkerchief, and taking one

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.120
<v Speaker 2>another by the hand, they started and ran and ran

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 2>and ran. It's important that they ran three times. Yeah,

0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I actually really like that style of writing. And first

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>they met the watch dog. Oh I was wrong, which

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 2>is totally have dogs. See, I'm sure it was going

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:54.879
<v Speaker 2>to be a good guy. And at first they met

0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.719
<v Speaker 2>the watchdog who was going to leap on them and

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>tear them to pieces, but they threw the remains of

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>their him, and he ate them and wagged his tail.

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Then they were hindered by the birch trees, whose ban

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>branches almost put their eyes out, but the little sister

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>tied the twigs together with a piece of ribbon and

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 2>they got passed safely, and after running through the wood,

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>got out into the open fields. In the meantime, in

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the hut, the cat was busy weaving the linen and

0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 2>tangling the threads as it wove, and the witch returned

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>to see how the children were getting on, and she

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.240
<v Speaker 2>crept up to the window and whispered, are you weaving,

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>my dear, Yes, granny, I am weaving, answered the.

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Cat, Oh, yeah, based cat, I know.

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Cat's fucking looking out When the witch saw that the

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.319
<v Speaker 2>children had escaped her, she was furious, hitting the cat

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 2>with a porringer. Margaret does not know what a porringer,

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and nor did she look it up, and she said,

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>woo okay, so so the cat was just.

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Like meam yamyamam yam out and like thinking that she

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:57.640
<v Speaker 1>was actually saying like, oh, yes, great, pretty weaving, and

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they were like, motherfucking cat. Yeah, like you know, you

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>cannot sound like a human.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're a fucking cat. A porringer is a small bowl,

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.640
<v Speaker 2>typically with a handle, used for soup, stew, or other dishes.

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.120
<v Speaker 2>Traditionally a historically used word, can't believe that you didn't

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>know that past. Margaret, let's see, hit the cat with

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 2>a porringer and said, why did you let the children

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 2>leave the hut? Why did you not scratch their eyes out?

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Because you're a bitch?

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, basically yeah. The cat curled up on its tail

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 2>and put its back up and answered, I have served

0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you all these years and you never even threw me

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.839
<v Speaker 2>a bone, but the dear children gave me their own

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 2>piece of ham. Then the witch, yeah, right. Then the

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>witch was furious that with the watchdog and the birch

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 2>trees because they had let the children pass. But the

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:48.799
<v Speaker 2>dog answered, I've served you all these years, and you

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>never gave me so much as a hard crust. But

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the dear children gave me their own loaf of bread.

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 2>This loaf of bread has lasted a lot, they have.

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, like this pretty big love of bread,

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:00.439
<v Speaker 1>like I feel like a lot of people. Well yeah,

0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean they were smart, they were like, there's definitely

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>another creature around the corner that needs some of this

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>little of breath.

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.439
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we're gonna say, also like a piece of ham.

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like Grandma could have given them like a

0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>like the whole ham.

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, you know, I know, but Grandma was but

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 2>hey maybe that's all she had. Yeah, oh yeah, no,

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 2>I see. Oh they're good grandma. Yeah, yeah, totally.

0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah good Grandma. Yeah not.

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 2>The witch and the birch rustled its leaves and said,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.120
<v Speaker 2>I have served you longer than I can say, and

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you never tied a bit of twine even round my branches,

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>and the dear children bound them up with their brightest ribbons.

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I just want that, but apparently they do,

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 2>so that's.

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we should tie them twine everybody on the trees.

0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that you love, Yeah, but not tightly around the

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 2>trunk or you'll kill it.

0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know, but you know how like some

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 1>people decorate trees with like little crochet colorful things like

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 1>that's cute. Yeah, I feel like trees are like we're like,

0:44:57.120 --> 0:44:58.880
<v Speaker 1>oh okay, you know, like thank you.

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And that's actually why today's sponsor is stuff you

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 2>can put on trees dot mm hm. I don't even

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 2>remember the RL. You have to look at yourself. Just

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 2>google stuff you can put on trees and you will

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>find Today's It's a new app. Yeah, that's right here.

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking so old fashioned, you know, website. It's

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>an app, it's virtual.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's mostly AI.

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then whatever else comes after that, and we're back.

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 2>So the witch saw that there was no help to

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.839
<v Speaker 2>be got from her old servants, and the best thing

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.040
<v Speaker 2>she could do was mount on her broom and set

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.520
<v Speaker 2>off in pursuit of the children. Here's actually a split

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 2>from Babia Babbia Gay is going around a mortar and pestle.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>And as the children ran, they heard the sound of

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the broom sweeping the ground close behind them. So oh,

0:45:51.200 --> 0:45:54.760
<v Speaker 2>that is actually no, that's a classic bobbia ga babbia

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:55.200
<v Speaker 2>ga would.

0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:55.720
<v Speaker 1>That's scary.

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, babiya gau would would travel around and then sweep

0:45:58.760 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>away her own tracks.

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:07.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh smart, like a smooth smooth grimin yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah.

0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 2>And as the children ran, they heard the sound of

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the broom sweeping on the ground close behind them, so

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.239
<v Speaker 2>instantly they threw the handkerchief down over their shoulder, and

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>in a moment, a deep, broad river flowed behind them.

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 2>When the witch came up to it, it took her

0:46:21.560 --> 0:46:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a long time before she found a place in which

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 2>she could ford over on her broomstick. But at last

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 2>she got across. Oh, she's not fucking flying. She's like

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>riding the broomstick like a horse. I think, Yeah, that's

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:34.720
<v Speaker 2>as weird.

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's doing like a flintstone thing where her feet

0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 1>are like touching the ground. You can't even fly down.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you're not gonna win at the end

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 1>of this.

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, I have a feeling the kids are coming

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:49.399
<v Speaker 2>out ahead, But I don't know.

0:46:53.560 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>She sounds like a literal hobby horse exactly it horse.

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It's very very monty bybee uh huh.

0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>But at last she got across and continued to chase

0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.040
<v Speaker 2>faster than before. And as the children ran, they heard

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 2>a sound, and the little sister put her ear to

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the ground and heard the broom sweeping the earth close

0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>behind them. So quick as thought, she threw the comb

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.200
<v Speaker 2>down on the ground, and in an instant, as the

0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 2>cat had said, a dense forest sprung up, in which

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.880
<v Speaker 2>the roots and branches were so closely intertwined that it

0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 2>was impossible to force a way through. So when the

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:29.720
<v Speaker 2>witch came up to it on her broom, she found

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that there was nothing for it but to turn round

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and go back to her hut. But the twins ran

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 2>straight on till they reached their own home. Then they

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 2>told their father, I am then this is not a

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>better place.

0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, they told their father all that they had suffered,

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and he was so angry with their stepmother that he

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:51.200
<v Speaker 2>drove her out of the house and never let her return.

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>But he and the children lived happily together, and he

0:47:54.520 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 2>took care of them himself and never let a stranger

0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 2>come near them.

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Look at this dad stepping up, you know, I know,

0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Look at the dad at the end of the day

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.960
<v Speaker 1>being like, you know what I've been neglectful. Now what

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 1>about his other children whose mom.

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Dad is who is now driven away?

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, huh, who's now driven away? Which I kind of

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 1>like the idea that she goes to join the Witch

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:18.319
<v Speaker 1>and then they're just kind of this like you know,

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:25.360
<v Speaker 1>Patty and Selma of the Woods kind of like or

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>she like teaches her her ways or like maybe the

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Witch was originally driven out as an evil stepmother.

0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:48:32.400 --> 0:48:34.399
<v Speaker 1>Step moms get a bad rap. I've got a nice

0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 1>step mom, shall you know, she's she's a yeah, you

0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 1>know she's up there. But uh yeah, I don't know.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, there's a there's a there's anyway. I didn't

0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 1>hate this witch. No, I just want I want to

0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>know her backstory. Like if I were to make this

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a film, I do want to know the Witch's backstory.

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Like and that would be the good Like

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 2>that would be like the fourth one in the movie,

0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Like ten years later they make the one that's the

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>backstory for the Witch where you're kind of on her

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 2>side and they wreck on all this stuff.

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, she doesn't But there's no excuse for not feeding exactly.

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 1>There's no excuse for animal abuse, there's no excuse for

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 1>not feeding your dog or your cat eating children. Also,

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe she was feeding the dog and cat like their food,

0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>their special dietary, proper food, and the cat was like,

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>I want a ham, Like who knows my cat would

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely sell me out for a piece of ham?

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh totally, And you've never fed me.

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:29.919
<v Speaker 1>You're like, bitch, I feed you every day.

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 2>There's food in your bowl right now, witch food.

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.319
<v Speaker 1>There's literally food in your bowl right now. It's not

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:38.280
<v Speaker 1>my fall, you're not eating it. I don't have ham,

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>but yes, we'd who among us would not be sold

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 1>out by our cats for a piece of ham.

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And maybe the witch was just bluffing. Maybe like the

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 2>witch was tired of like kids who had come for

0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 2>an apprenticeship as apprentice witches like would just leave right away,

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and so she was trying a little like tough love.

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.479
<v Speaker 2>She was like, I'm gonna put you in the oven

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.120
<v Speaker 2>if you don't learn how to do things that are

0:49:57.120 --> 0:49:59.720
<v Speaker 2>like vaguely complicated like weave and stuff.

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, Well, here's the other thing. Is like it

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>would clearly if she puts them the other oven and

0:50:05.040 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 1>eat them, she's not sharing them with the dog and

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>cat because I'm sure they'd be like, you know, that

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 1>might be tit. Who knows, it might be tasted in

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:14.839
<v Speaker 1>a piece of ham. But if they're not getting properly fit,

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, we don't have to dig into it too much.

0:50:16.760 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>The point is is, uh, it's a little bit of

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:25.839
<v Speaker 1>a like don't neglect your kids, yeah story, But I

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like this one. I liked it. I liked that they

0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 1>got helped out by the furry friends who like you know,

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:31.760
<v Speaker 1>turned on their master.

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and one of the things a lot of

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:38.239
<v Speaker 2>the Bobby a. Gas style stories, and in particular, is

0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>there's this idea that like, well behaved kids survive, and

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 2>so the way that they win is that they listen

0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 2>to their grandmother who's like, treat everyone nice even when

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they're being a bitch to you, right, and like not

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 2>don't run away, like don't you know they still have

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 2>good boundaries, right, but they are like they show up

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and are like super polite everyone in sharing and shit

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 2>like that. And so it's like a it's a sharing

0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:05.279
<v Speaker 2>as caring and if you don't, you're going to get

0:51:05.320 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 2>eaten by an evil witch.

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, yes yeah. Because they could have always

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:10.759
<v Speaker 1>not given their way their food.

0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>To the to the animals, right, and then they wouldn't

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 2>have had friends exactly.

0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I want to know what happened to the

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.880
<v Speaker 1>cat and the dog and the tree. Oh, you know

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:20.399
<v Speaker 1>above all?

0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you want to know more, No, I'm

0:51:25.400 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 2>not going to talk about them anymo. I'm gonna talk

0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:30.440
<v Speaker 2>about vampires, but I'm going to talk about them on Wednesday.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>But before that, we're going to talk about you. I'm

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna talk about the Situation Room.

0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, what do you want to know other than

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 1>it's It is a podcast where activists and experts and

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 1>comedians come on. We talked about the week's news. Lately,

0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>we've been talking a lot about Israel and Gaza. Naomi

0:51:50.960 --> 0:51:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Klein was my most recent guest. She has a new

0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.319
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0:51:56.360 --> 0:52:00.200
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0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:04.400
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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, and if you want to follow, oh, if

0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you want to hear me read more stories every Sunday

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the Cool Zone Media Book Club. I read fiction because

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:22.640
<v Speaker 2>that is now another thing that I do, and it

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.160
<v Speaker 2>is on this podcast feed, this very one you're already

0:52:25.160 --> 0:52:28.640
<v Speaker 2>listening to, as well as that it could happen here feed,

0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.239
<v Speaker 2>which you could also listen to when you do, you

0:52:31.280 --> 0:52:33.960
<v Speaker 2>could use your week We're at round up from Situation Room,

0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and then you're the equivalent of doom scrolling every weekday

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<v Speaker 2>on it could happen here.

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I need to listen to your stories because and read

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>your stories because I'm in desperate need of good fiction

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and getting Although I know it is not always sunshine

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>and rainbows, at least it won't be necessarily like witches

0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:56.640
<v Speaker 1>or war criminals.

0:52:56.880 --> 0:52:59.080
<v Speaker 2>We actually and you know, we only have We've only

0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:01.960
<v Speaker 2>put up so many episodes so far. I don't remember

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 2>exactly when this one is coming out. We started about

0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.480
<v Speaker 2>two months ago, right, and the first month is my

0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 2>novella that I'm reading called The Lami Slaughter of the Line,

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and it is witchcraft, but they're like, it's not this style.

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:16.520
<v Speaker 2>And then a lot of the stories that we're reading

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:20.520
<v Speaker 2>are like kind of trying to find hope in apocalypse

0:53:20.560 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 2>and in like climate change and things like that, like

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 2>human stories that relate to all those things, And so

0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that it is a It is a good

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:29.280
<v Speaker 2>It's not an antidote to the news because it doesn't

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:33.280
<v Speaker 2>like make you like forget the things are happening. But anyway,

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 2>I hope that people like it.

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 1>But there's a story arc. There's no story arc. Time

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>is a flat circle in the cycle.

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, totally no. In the same way that

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 2>like folklory, you're like, oh, man, another Siev. Whenever I

0:53:44.200 --> 0:53:47.080
<v Speaker 2>do history, it's like, oh, another person died of tuberculosis,

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 2>or oh another time people with authoritarian politics turned their

0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:51.040
<v Speaker 2>backs on everyone and killed everyone.

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're like another doculosis, yeah, or both. In

0:53:55.360 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the case of Mitch McConnell, although his was polio, we

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:04.080
<v Speaker 1>have to talk about the Babba yaga who's stalking Mitch McConnell, because, like,

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>my god, that dude is seeing some kind of spirit.

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's a witch. I don't know

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>if it's a vampire, but it is something otherworldly that

0:54:11.480 --> 0:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>dude's been experiencing Halloween, like twenty four to seven, specifically

0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:17.879
<v Speaker 1>when he gives press conferences. Sorry to make it political, but.

0:54:17.840 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 2>I think he's the vampire.

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or he's the vampire yeah.

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:27.080
<v Speaker 2>But we'll talk about that, well, not Mitch McConnell probably,

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 2>but maybe on Wednesday.

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