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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff, your

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Speaker 2: weekly podcast that is usually one thing and this week

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Speaker 2: is a different thing. I'm your host, Margaret KILCHREI and

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Speaker 2: with me today as my guest, It's Francesca. Hi. How

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Speaker 2: are you Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm really well. I mean kind of, I'm not well,

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Speaker 1: but like doing this show and doing something different than

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Speaker 1: news cycle made me say that I'm really well. And

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Speaker 1: also I haven't seen you in a while, and I'm

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Speaker 1: excited because I loved being on this show last time,

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Speaker 1: and I loved having you on my podcast, Thebituation Room

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Speaker 1: that everyone should check out.

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Speaker 2: But hell, yeah, well done.

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Speaker 1: Why is it? Thank you a little plug there? Why

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Speaker 1: is it different today? What are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Well? I decided that every now and then I need

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Speaker 2: to have weeks where I don't write half a novella's

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Speaker 2: worth of research every single week, and so sometimes I

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Speaker 2: need to just read folklore, eh eh oh, because yeah

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Speaker 2: it's funny. Actually you were talking about, like one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons that I like doing this show is it

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Speaker 2: even though it's about political stuff and how people do things,

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Speaker 2: it's usually like one hundred years ago, right, and so

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Speaker 2: like I don't have to necessarily have that same doom

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Speaker 2: cycle that you do with your show that everyone should

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Speaker 2: check out. You can find me on any cycle news. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and and folklore. I feel like ties into that because

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Speaker 2: a lot of the times when I do research episodes,

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Speaker 2: I get once you get like six hundred years in

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Speaker 2: the past, You're like, look, this is what we think.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not true. We don't know what's true.

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Speaker 2: It was six hundred years ago. Like all of the

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Speaker 2: things that are written about are propaganda, you know, So

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Speaker 2: like the line between folklore and history, I would argue, yeah,

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Speaker 2: is porous. That is my elaborate defense about how today

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Speaker 2: this week we're going to extend the spooky season and

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Speaker 2: talk about witches and vampires.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, I just started rewatching Interview with

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Speaker 1: the Vampire, which is like the hernious movie of the

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Speaker 1: nineties and also so canceled for a million different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't rewatched it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And also just like really gay and horny, which

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, it's it's canceled for other reasons, but

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Speaker 1: it's great. So and I've seen all the Twilights, which

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Speaker 2: On Yeah, I think vampires. Yeah, that's the main thing

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Speaker 2: that we're going to talk about today is actually yeah,

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Speaker 2: well okay, it's funny because we'd be like, vampires don't twinkle, like, well,

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Speaker 2: vampires don't do anything because they're not real. But beyond that,

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Speaker 2: like one of the things. And actually, because the style

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Speaker 2: of vampire stories we're going to read mostly on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: not today, you're going to have to hear about witches first, yes,

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Speaker 2: but the line between witches and vampires is actually really blurry,

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Speaker 2: and like all of the specific stuff like vampires can't

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Speaker 2: It's always been messy, it's always changed. It's not like

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Speaker 2: Dracula is a traditional vampire and Twilight is non traditional vampires,

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Speaker 2: I mean to some degree. But the idea of the

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Speaker 2: vampire is the like suave, sexy aristocrat is a little

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Speaker 2: why can't she be hot and horny? And you know,

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Speaker 2: the second time I said, horny and inside of how

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Speaker 2: many minutes are we running? Well, we're talking about witches

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Speaker 1: Option now, I yeah, well this is m I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited I won't interrupt.

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Speaker 2: No, it's okay, I mean, well, okay, So first we're

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Speaker 2: and I was like, thought, I was going to read

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Speaker 2: they're really interesting to me. Did you know about witches

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Speaker 2: and sieves? Sieves? Sieves? You know the thing you strain

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Speaker 2: And so I'm going to read a story that it's

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Speaker 2: they go around and are like, tell me you're weird,

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Speaker 2: wacky beliefs. I'm a good modern person who also read

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Speaker 1: All right, how do you live when they're just like,

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Speaker 2: called The Horned Women.

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Speaker 1: Are you going to read it in an Irish accent?

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Speaker 2: No? I wish I could do an accent to save

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Speaker 2: my life. But if someone held a gun to my

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Speaker 2: head and was like speak British or die, I'd be like,

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Speaker 2: I gouvna don't shoot me in Mamela no funny like

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Speaker 2: hostage did you suation?

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Speaker 1: Like of like you must do an impeccable posh accent, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, in order to live. And you're just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: fish and Chip, and they're like nope, Like come.

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Speaker 2: On, yeah, what would be the accent that you would

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Speaker 2: do to save your life? If someone was like, do

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Speaker 2: an accent and die, well.

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Speaker 1: The problem is is that if it's a non white accent,

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Speaker 1: No, I here's here's the one that would be very

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Speaker 1: I think Irish would be difficult. You know why because

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, Irish Jake it are really similar

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Speaker 1: and those are both terrible accents. But like, either way,

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Speaker 2: Okay. I have read about why the Jamaican accent has

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Speaker 2: But the weirdest thing anyone I know has ever been

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Speaker 2: mugged for. I swear at some point I'm gonna read

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Speaker 2: this story. Some of my friends were once mugged for

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Speaker 2: push ups. What they were walking home middle of the night.

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Speaker 2: Some guys came up with a gun and were like,

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Speaker 2: And then the people were like, bullshit, give me twenty

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Speaker 2: And then we're like, all right, you're cool. You did

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Speaker 1: We have a gun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh huh oh damn yeah.

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Speaker 1: See that would be rough. I would probably get to

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Speaker 2: I feel like the gun would count as the water

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Speaker 2: break for me.

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Speaker 1: No, for sure, he would the adrenaline, would you Yeah? No?

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Speaker 1: I always used to think was like what if my

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Speaker 2: Doo doo doo doo.

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Speaker 1: And then and I'd always I remember when I was little,

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Speaker 2: Be like, oh, you killed her any pretty much killed

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 2: This is a story about impossible tasks that have been

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Speaker 2: set upon people. That was my clever transition that I

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Speaker 2: totally planned, all right. Horned women. A rich woman sat

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Speaker 2: up late one night carding and preparing wool, while all

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Speaker 2: on her forehead as if growing there. She sat down

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Speaker 2: she said, I am the witch of two horns, and

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Speaker 2: the knocks went on, and the call was heard, and

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Speaker 2: the witches entered, until at last twelve women sat round

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Speaker 2: Where are they coming from?

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Speaker 1: I'm with your head, the back of your head. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they sleep like as are they smaller?

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Speaker 2: And they carted the thread and turned their spinning wheels,

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Speaker 2: and wound and wove, all singing together an ancient rhyme.

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Speaker 2: But no word did they speak to the mistress of

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Speaker 2: where these twelve women with their horns and their wheels.

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Speaker 2: And the mistress felt near to death, and she tried

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Speaker 2: a cry. For the spell of the witches was upon her.

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Speaker 2: Then one of them called to her an irish, and said,

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Speaker 2: Just misogynist witch right there, making that woman that's not

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Speaker 2: in the story. That's my all right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you gonna like after just giving you place,

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Speaker 1: like to spin your little wool? Yeah and be all

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Speaker 1: horned up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the mistress searched for a vessel to bring

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Speaker 2: water from the well that she might mix the meal

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Speaker 2: and make the cake. But she could find none, and

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Speaker 2: they said to her, take a sieve and bring water

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Speaker 2: No one knows what it means. I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, They'll they'll make you like get water and

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Speaker 1: Right right right? Oh, I love that. That's so perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So I love that. Yeah, I'm such a

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Speaker 1: Where did lucky charms come from? Ireland? Irish people? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: First?

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Speaker 1: No? Yeah, I don't know. Here's the thing about fairy

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, star, don't you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't need water. Don't get them water because they're gonna

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Speaker 2: And then no, no, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Totally, and when you asked me earlier about one of

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Speaker 2: And so it's like, here's the women who live alone

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Speaker 1: Well, what are we talking about with pagan like in

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Speaker 2: Well, before I answer that question, I'm going to tell

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Speaker 1: You know, I love it weird.

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00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's one which story and you already have

434
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of the vampire shit, right, they're drawing

435
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: blood out of the kids. Now I'm gonna go over

436
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: to Russia. And then this is the same time period

437
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 2: and instead these were collected in a kind of similar

438
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 2: style of book, although we spookier overall, Like I feel

439
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: like the Irish stuff is like otherworldly and haunting, and

440
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: then the Russian shit is like everyone's gonna fucking die

441
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 2: and they might not even fucking stay dead. This is

442
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 2: fucking Russia, you know.

443
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: So there's a but it's better than what's going on

444
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: in the living world. Yeah, that's true, sweet sweet death.

445
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this story the witch Girl was written down

446
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: by someone named W. R. S. Ralston in a book

447
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 2: called Russian Fairy Tales and oh god, there's a and

448
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: again this is a late nineteen This is.

449
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Like some shit I would have discovered when I was

450
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 1: like fourteen, and like really in a spooky story. So

451
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: have you read the Russian shit?

452
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, exactly. No, I'm like I spent yeah, a while,

453
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 2: like look, picking which stories I was going to pick

454
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: to read today.

455
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: And like.

456
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 2: When I went to I was going through all the

457
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 2: books on my shelf and stuff, and then I like

458
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: got to the Russian one and there's like a section

459
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: where it's just like the old gods the undead, and

460
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, why did I wait so long to

461
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: get to the Russian parts? But this is a very

462
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: different way of dealing with a witch, and we'll talk

463
00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: about how connects to vampires the witch girl. Late one evening,

464
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: a Cossack rode into a village, pulled up at its

465
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 2: last cottage, and cried, hey, master, will you let me

466
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: spend the night here? Come in if you don't fear death?

467
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: What sort of a never mind? I'm cool, Yeah, I'll

468
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: just go ask the next house down.

469
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: I would probably be my response, Yeah, you know what

470
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: I mean my horse could ride all night like fuck it, Like, yeah, exactly.

471
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: I've got a lantern. We'll just sleep outside. I love

472
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: the stars.

473
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. What sort of a reply is that? Thought the

474
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: cossack as he put his horse up in the stable

475
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: after he had given it its food, and went into

476
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: the cottage. There he saw its inmates, which is such

477
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: a way to call the people who live somewhere. Yeah,

478
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: there he saw its inmates, men and women and little children,

479
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: all sobbing and crying and praying to God. And when

480
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: they had done praying, they began putting on clean shirts.

481
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 2: What are you crying about, asked the cossack. Why you see,

482
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: replied the master of the house in our death goes

483
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: about at night in whatsoever cottage she looks there. Next

484
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: morning one has to put all the people who lived

485
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: in it into coffins and carry them off to the graveyard.

486
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: Tonight it's our turn.

487
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I was saying, I'm sure there's another town,

488
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: just like a few miles down the road. So good

489
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: luck with all that.

490
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.

491
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: Lovely town. I'll come back, Yeah, come back when you're

492
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: not dealing with the whole death thing.

493
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: I'll write your tail. But yeah, I'll tell your story. Yeah,

494
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 2: what was your name?

495
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: Anyway?

496
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: Gotta go Yeah, never fear master. Without God's will, no

497
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: pig gets its fill, is what the cossack says. Mmm.

498
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: The people of the house lay down to sleep, but

499
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: the cossack was on the lookout and never closed an eye.

500
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: That's nice, yeah, exactly. At midnight the window opened. At

501
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 2: the window appeared a witch all in white. She took

502
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: a sprinkler. I think this means like one of those

503
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: like shaky holy stick, holy you know, the things that

504
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: you like walk around and like spray. No one can

505
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: see me gesticulating except you, but.

506
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: Like a like a room diffuser.

507
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: I was sinking, like the like you know, you put

508
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: holy water and the like stick on a yeah, ball

509
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: and a stick. That's what I think a sprinkler is

510
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: in this context. Okay, that's my best guess. She took

511
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: a sprinkler, passed her arm into the cottage and was

512
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: just on the point of sprinkling when the cossack suddenly

513
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: gave his saber a sweep and cut her arm off

514
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: close to the shoulder.

515
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: Oh.

516
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: The witch howled, squealed, yelped like a dog, and fled away.

517
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 2: But the cossack picked up the severed arm, hid it

518
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: under his cloak, washed away the stains of blood, and

519
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: lay down to sleep.

520
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: Uh oh.

521
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: Next morning, the master and his mistress awoke and saw

522
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: that everyone, without a single exception, was alive and well,

523
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: and they were delighted beyond expression. If you like, says

524
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: the cossack, I'll show you death. Called together all the

525
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: Sotnicks and dat Nicks, which I don't know what, are

526
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: as quickly as possible, and let's go through the village

527
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: and look for her. Straight away, all the sat Knicks

528
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: and Deastniks came together and went from house to house.

529
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: In this one, there's nothing, in that one, there's nothing.

530
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: Until last they came to the Ponemer's cottage. Is all

531
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: your family present, asked the cossack. No, my own. One

532
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: of my daughters is ill. She's lying on the stove there.

533
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: The cossack looked towards the stove. One of the girl's

534
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: arms had evidently been cut off. Thereupon, he told the

535
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: whole story of what had taken place, and brought out

536
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 2: and showed the arm which had been cut off. The

537
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: commune rewarded the cossack with a sum of money and

538
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: ordered that witch to be drowned.

539
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: That's why wit was this Wait, so I'm sorry, huh

540
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: Was she a daughter someone's daughter? Yeah?

541
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the witch was just someone's daughter who's going

542
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: around sprinkling into people's houses.

543
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: She was was she sprinkling? It was probably something good,

544
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 1: probably some like you know, happy little fairy dust. But

545
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: they're saying that. I don't know, I call bullshit on

546
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: this one because we all know again, yeah, which is

547
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: I think it was just she was trying out some

548
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: sort of like you know, new potpourri, or like trying

549
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: her own to make some perfume, or they hated her.

550
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I feel like the Cossack's

551
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: not the hero in this.

552
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I have yet to read a history of

553
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: that includes the Cossacks in which they are not the villains.

554
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Usually they are running around depressing people. So right, well, okay,

555
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: but that is one of the things that's so interesting

556
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: about fairy tales, right, Like the rich woman is the

557
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: hero of the first one, the cossack is the hero

558
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: of the second one. Like folk tales exist to like

559
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: replicate social values. You know. Yes, Now, don't get me wrong,

560
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: if there's a witch going around door to door sprinkling

561
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: death into people's houses. It might make sense to cut

562
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 2: off her arm. It might even make sense to drown her.

563
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: Might be I don't know, you know, we could try

564
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: some kind of accountability process, you know, but.

565
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: She should at least I mean, do process, you know,

566
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: totally have a trial.

567
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: Totally.

568
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: But like I said, like death was just the name

569
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: of the perfume. Like it was like deaf by Witch.

570
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, and everyone like everyone ran out of the

571
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: house and like went and sold it, you know, and

572
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: that was like why yeah, it.

573
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: Was it was like the Avon of that time, you know. Yeah,

574
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I like like the witches were just like avon sellers.

575
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

576
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: For Yeah, here's the thing about this, it's just like,

577
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to understand? Is it just like

578
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: celebrating a soldier or celebrating because that's what a cousic is,

579
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: right basically.

580
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like a it's complicated and I don't have

581
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: all the answers in but yeah, it's like mounted soldiers

582
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: that are kind of from a culture of that, you know.

583
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: Right right right. But also anyway, it's like what is

584
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: the witch come? Like, what are they supposed to teach you.

585
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: What are we supposed to learn? Or is it just like, yeah,

586
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: wily women, yeah are always going to try and like

587
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, that's what we're the death of you.

588
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should beware of women, That is the lesson

589
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: of this, because they're all witches, or at least some

590
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: of them are, and you never know which ones, So

591
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: you should probably lop off some people's arms.

592
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

593
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: And I actually I am going to quote a little

594
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: bit more from that book, a paragraph that sort of

595
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: explains puts context around this. It's from the same book

596
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: the Russian fairy tales. Stories of this kind are common

597
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: in all lands, but the witches about whom they're told

598
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: generally assume the forms of beasts of prey, especially of

599
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: wolves or of cats. A long string of similar tales

600
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: we found in doctor Wilhelm Hurst's excellent and exhaustive monograph

601
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: on were Wolves. Very important also is the Polish story

602
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 2: told by Wosik of the village which is attacked by

603
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: the plague, embodied in the form of a woman who

604
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: roams from house to house in search of victims. One night,

605
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: as she goes her rounds, all doors and windows have

606
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 2: been barred against her except one casement. This has been

607
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: left open by a nobleman who is ready to sacrifice

608
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: himself for the sake of others. The pest maiden arrives

609
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 2: and thrusts her arm her arm in at his window.

610
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: The nobleman cuts it off and so rids the village

611
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: of its fatal visitor. In an Indian story, a hero

612
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: undertakes to watch beside the couch of a haunted princess.

613
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why the hero is like waiting behind

614
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: a princess's couch. That doesn't seem very heroic. That seems

615
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: kind of like stalker behavior.

616
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, totally. When all is still, a

617
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Rakshasa appears on the threshold, opens the door and thrusts

618
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: into the room and arm, which the hero cuts off.

619
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: The fiend disappears, howling leaves his arm behind. So apparently

620
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing cutting off motherfucker's arms.

621
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Yeah that is uh, I guess that's how you get

622
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: rid of them. But also, you know, remembering like like

623
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: the pest witch. The pest girl.

624
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: Just sounds The pest.

625
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: Maiden sounds like a sex worker who or like an adult,

626
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: like someone who a woman who tempts you? Who you know?

627
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining, like who's actually writing these things down?

628
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: But maybe it is. Maybe it's like word of mouth,

629
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: and obviously women and men, but I can only imagine

630
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: it's like men writing this down, or like at least

631
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: you know who are like, Oh, that pest maiden is

632
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: going to tempt me, better cut off her arm. Yeah,

633
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: so she can't touch my wi wei.

634
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is more or less what a lot of

635
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: this stuff comes down to. I got one more witch story,

636
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: Let's do it. This one's another Russian story. It's called

637
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: the Witch and this version comes from Andrew Lang from

638
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: the Yellow Fairy Book. It's another nineteenth century book. Once

639
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: upon a time there was a peasant whose wife died,

640
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 2: leaving him with two children, a boy and a girl.

641
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: For some years, the poor man lived alone with his children,

642
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: caring for them as best he could, but everything in

643
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: the house seemed to go wrong without a woman to

644
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: look after it. And at last he made up his

645
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: mind to Mary. I know, right, I mean that's sort

646
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: of true. Anyways, at last he made up his mind

647
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: to marry again, feeling that a wife would bring peace

648
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: and order to his household, and take care of his

649
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: motherless children, so he married. In the following years, several

650
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: children were born to him, but peace and order did

651
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: not come to the household, for the stepmother was very

652
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: cruel to the twins and beat them and af starved them,

653
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 2: and constantly drove them out of the house. For her

654
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: one idea was to get them out of the way.

655
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: All day she thought of nothing but how she could

656
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: get rid of them, And at last an evil idea

657
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: came into her head, and she determined to send them

658
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: out into the great gloomy wood where a wicked witch lived.

659
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: And so one morning she spoke to them, saying, you

660
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: have been such good children that I'm going to send

661
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: you to visit my granny, who lives in a dear

662
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: little hut in the wood. Oh yeah, you will have

663
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: to wait upon her and serve her, but you will

664
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: be well rewarded, and for she will give you the

665
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: best of everything. So the children left the house together,

666
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: and the little sister, who is very wise for her years,

667
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: said to her brother, we will first go to see

668
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: our own dear grandmother and tell her where our stepmother

669
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: is sending us.

670
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: Hm, smart, smart, leave it to the sister.

671
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 2: Yep, And when the grandmother heard where they were going,

672
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: she cried and said, you poor motherless children. How I

673
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: pity you, and yet I can do nothing to help you. Yeah,

674
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm not what, Yeah, I don't know.

675
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Oh only, but you know that your stepmother, you know

676
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 1: she she lets me borrow all her jewels and wear

677
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: her handbags.

678
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Yeah, Sorry, your stepmother is not sending you

679
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: to her granny, but to a wicked witch who lives

680
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: in that great gloomy Wood. Now listen to me, children,

681
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 2: You must be civil, unkind to everyone, and never say

682
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: a crossword to anyone, and never touch a crumb belonging

683
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 2: to anyone else. Who knows if, after all, help may

684
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 2: not be sent to you. And she gave her grandchildren

685
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: a bottle of milk and a piece of ham and

686
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: a loaf of bread. And they set out for the

687
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: great gloomy Wood. When they reached it, they saw in

688
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 2: front of them, in the thickest of the trees, a

689
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: queer little hut. And when they looked up into it,

690
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 2: there lay the witch, with her head on the threshold

691
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: of the door, with one foot in one corner and

692
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: the other in the other corner, and her knees cocked

693
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: up almost touching the ceiling.

694
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: Okay, well, first of all, honey, you need a bigger place.

695
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: I know. And so this is actually one of the

696
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: reasons I wanted to do this. One last year for Halloween,

697
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: I did an episode with Jamie Loftus where we talked

698
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: about Bobby Yaga, the famous Russian witch uh huh. And

699
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: this is really interesting to me because this is totally

700
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: a Bobba yagas story. They just don't call her that,

701
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 2: but a lot of the same shit, Like Bobby Aga

702
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: is like weird and fits strange in her house and

703
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: when she lays down, her huge nose touches the ceiling

704
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: and like.

705
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great pronunciation. I was just gonna say

706
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Yaga, But Bobby Yaga is even that's like a

707
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: that's like a brand.

708
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I looked it up before I did

709
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: the episode last time. And so I've become that pedant

710
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: where like all my friends are talking about Bobby Yaga

711
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Babba yeah ga, and and it's really fun.

712
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Everyone really likes me. And that's why I live alone

713
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: in the woods, in the Gloomy Wood. I do live

714
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: in the gloomy wood by myself. It's very nice. Honestly,

715
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: I have a dog. It's not so bad. Yeah.

716
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Do witches ever have dogs?

717
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: Usually?

718
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: Not?

719
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: Usually cats? But this is a mistake. I think all

720
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 2: all of these creatures are welcome. Dogs are great, a

721
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: little bit more, you know, less lonely with it. I mean,

722
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: cats are good. I'm not talking shit, but anyway, who's there?

723
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: She snarled in an awful voice when she saw the children,

724
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: and they answered civilly, though they were so terrified that

725
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: they hit behind one another and said, good morning, granny.

726
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: Our stepmother has sent us this way, sent us to

727
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 2: wait upon you and serve you. See that you do

728
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: it well? Then growled the witch. Oh, if I am

729
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: pleased with you, I'll reward you. But if I am not,

730
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: I'll put you in a pan and fry you in

731
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: the oven. That's what I'll do with you. You, my

732
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: pretty deers, you have been gently reared, but you'll find

733
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: my work hard enough, see if you don't.

734
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've been living with their stepmom, so I

735
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, like this is going to be maybe

736
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: an upgrade for them, right, Yeah, we don't eat back

737
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: at home, so yeah.

738
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: Totally at least we'll get to eat one of us,

739
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: you get to eat the other if it goes.

740
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: Wrong, exactly, exactly finally.

741
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so saying, she set the girl down a

742
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: spin yard, and she gave the boy a sieve with

743
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: which to carry water from the well. Again, yeah, that's

744
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: that's the other reason I included this because I like

745
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: one of my whole things I love about history and

746
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: folklore and stuff is like finding the weird connections, you know,

747
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: And so that this is both a Bobby a Gus story,

748
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: and it has the sieve thing totally into it. Gave

749
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: the boy a sieved with which to carry water from

750
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 2: the well, and she herself went out into the wood. Now,

751
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: as the girl was sitting at her distaff distaff which

752
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: is some fucking spinning thing, weeping bitterly because she could

753
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: not spin, she heard the sound of hundreds of little feet,

754
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: and from every hole in the corner in the hut,

755
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: mice came pattering along the floor, squeaking and saying, little girl,

756
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: why are your eyes so red? If you want help,

757
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: then give us some bread. And the girl gave them

758
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: the bread that her grandmother had given her. Then the

759
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: mice told her that the witch had a cat, and

760
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: the cat was very fond of ham. If she would

761
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: give the cat her ham, it would show her the

762
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: way out of the wood, and in the meantime they

763
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: would spin the yarn for her. So the girl set

764
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: out to look for the cat, and as she was

765
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: hunting about, she met her brother in great trouble because

766
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: he could not carry water from the well in a sieve,

767
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: as it came pouring out as fast as he put

768
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: it in. And as she was trying to comfort him,

769
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: they heard a rustling of wings, and a flight of

770
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: wrens alighted on the ground beside them, and the wrens said,

771
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: give us some crumbs, then you need not grieve, for

772
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: you'll find that water will stay in the sea. I

773
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: think it's pronounced sieve, but honestly is a translation anyway,

774
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: so maybe nineteenth century British guy, I don't know. Then

775
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: the twins crumbled their bread on the ground, and the

776
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: wrens pecked it and chirruped and chirped, And when they

777
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: had eaten the last crumb, they told the boy to

778
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: fill up the holes in the sieve with clay, and

779
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: then to draw water from the well. So he did

780
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: what they said, and carried the sieve full of water

781
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: into the hut without spilling a drop. When they entered

782
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: the hut, the cat was curled up on the floor,

783
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: so they stroked her and fed her with ham and

784
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: said to her, pussy, gray pussy, tell us how we

785
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: are to get away from the witch. Then the cat

786
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: thanked them for the ham and gave them a pocket

787
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: handkerchief and a comb, and told them that when the

788
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: witch pursued them, as she certainly would, all they had

789
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: to do was throw the handkerchief on the ground and

790
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: run as fast as they could. As soon as the

791
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: handkerchief touched the ground, a deep, broad river would spring up,

792
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 2: which would hinder the witch's progress. If she managed to

793
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: get across it, they must throw the comb behind them

794
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: and run for their lives, for where the comb fell,

795
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: a dense forest would start up, which would delay the

796
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: witch so long that they would be able to get

797
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: safely away. And so this is another part that's part

798
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: of another fucking Bobby a Gos story that I read

799
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: last year, only in that one they're like underground and

800
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: it's a lesbian story that won't admit it's a lesbian story.

801
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: The cat had scarcely finished speaking when the witch returned

802
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: to see if the children had fulfilled their tasks. Ooh,

803
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: just in the nikka time. Shut up, cat, I know

804
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: right well, you have done well enough for today, she grumbled.

805
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: But tomorrow you'll have something more difficult to do, and

806
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: if you don't do it well, you pampered brats straight

807
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: into the oven.

808
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 1: You go, Oh, I feel like you got to kill

809
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 1: the mice and the cats, and which can be fucked

810
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: up because they just helped you. So what do you

811
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: do anyway?

812
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, if that's the task, Oh my god, that

813
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: was brutal.

814
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: Skin the cat.

815
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: You should write folklore. It would be terrifying. Half dead

816
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: with fright and trembling in every limb, the poor children

817
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: laid down to sleep in a heap of straw in

818
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: the corner of the hut, but they dared not close

819
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: their eyes and scarcely ventured to breathe. In the morning,

820
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 2: the witch gave the girl two pieces of linen to

821
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: weave before night, and the boy a pile of wood

822
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: to cut into chips. Then the witch left them to

823
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: their tasks and went and went out into the wood.

824
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: As soon as she had gone out of sight, the

825
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: children took the comb and the handkerchief, and taking one

826
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: another by the hand, they started and ran and ran

827
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: and ran. It's important that they ran three times. Yeah,

828
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: I actually really like that style of writing. And first

829
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: they met the watch dog. Oh I was wrong, which

830
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: is totally have dogs. See, I'm sure it was going

831
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: to be a good guy. And at first they met

832
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: the watchdog who was going to leap on them and

833
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: tear them to pieces, but they threw the remains of

834
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: their him, and he ate them and wagged his tail.

835
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: Then they were hindered by the birch trees, whose ban

836
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: branches almost put their eyes out, but the little sister

837
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: tied the twigs together with a piece of ribbon and

838
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: they got passed safely, and after running through the wood,

839
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: got out into the open fields. In the meantime, in

840
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: the hut, the cat was busy weaving the linen and

841
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: tangling the threads as it wove, and the witch returned

842
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: to see how the children were getting on, and she

843
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: crept up to the window and whispered, are you weaving,

844
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: my dear, Yes, granny, I am weaving, answered the.

845
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Cat, Oh, yeah, based cat, I know.

846
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: Cat's fucking looking out When the witch saw that the

847
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: children had escaped her, she was furious, hitting the cat

848
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: with a porringer. Margaret does not know what a porringer,

849
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: and nor did she look it up, and she said,

850
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: woo okay, so so the cat was just.

851
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Like meam yamyamam yam out and like thinking that she

852
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: was actually saying like, oh, yes, great, pretty weaving, and

853
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: they were like, motherfucking cat. Yeah, like you know, you

854
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: cannot sound like a human.

855
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a fucking cat. A porringer is a small bowl,

856
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: typically with a handle, used for soup, stew, or other dishes.

857
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: Traditionally a historically used word, can't believe that you didn't

858
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: know that past. Margaret, let's see, hit the cat with

859
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: a porringer and said, why did you let the children

860
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: leave the hut? Why did you not scratch their eyes out?

861
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: Because you're a bitch?

862
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically yeah. The cat curled up on its tail

863
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: and put its back up and answered, I have served

864
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: you all these years and you never even threw me

865
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: a bone, but the dear children gave me their own

866
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 2: piece of ham. Then the witch, yeah, right. Then the

867
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: witch was furious that with the watchdog and the birch

868
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: trees because they had let the children pass. But the

869
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: dog answered, I've served you all these years, and you

870
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: never gave me so much as a hard crust. But

871
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: the dear children gave me their own loaf of bread.

872
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: This loaf of bread has lasted a lot, they have.

873
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like this pretty big love of bread,

874
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: like I feel like a lot of people. Well yeah,

875
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean they were smart, they were like, there's definitely

876
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: another creature around the corner that needs some of this

877
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: little of breath.

878
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna say, also like a piece of ham.

879
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: I feel like Grandma could have given them like a

880
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: like the whole ham.

881
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: I know, you know, I know, but Grandma was but

882
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: hey maybe that's all she had. Yeah, oh yeah, no,

883
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: I see. Oh they're good grandma. Yeah, yeah, totally.

884
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: Yeah good Grandma. Yeah not.

885
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: The witch and the birch rustled its leaves and said,

886
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: I have served you longer than I can say, and

887
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: you never tied a bit of twine even round my branches,

888
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 2: and the dear children bound them up with their brightest ribbons.

889
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just want that, but apparently they do,

890
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: so that's.

891
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should tie them twine everybody on the trees.

892
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah that you love, Yeah, but not tightly around the

893
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: trunk or you'll kill it.

894
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, but you know how like some

895
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: people decorate trees with like little crochet colorful things like

896
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: that's cute. Yeah, I feel like trees are like we're like,

897
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: oh okay, you know, like thank you.

898
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's actually why today's sponsor is stuff you

899
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: can put on trees dot mm hm. I don't even

900
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: remember the RL. You have to look at yourself. Just

901
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: google stuff you can put on trees and you will

902
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: find Today's It's a new app. Yeah, that's right here.

903
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: I was thinking so old fashioned, you know, website. It's

904
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: an app, it's virtual.

905
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's mostly AI.

906
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then whatever else comes after that, and we're back.

907
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 2: So the witch saw that there was no help to

908
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 2: be got from her old servants, and the best thing

909
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: she could do was mount on her broom and set

910
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: off in pursuit of the children. Here's actually a split

911
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: from Babia Babbia Gay is going around a mortar and pestle.

912
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: And as the children ran, they heard the sound of

913
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: the broom sweeping the ground close behind them. So oh,

914
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 2: that is actually no, that's a classic bobbia ga babbia

915
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: ga would.

916
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: That's scary.

917
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, babiya gau would would travel around and then sweep

918
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: away her own tracks.

919
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: Oh smart, like a smooth smooth grimin yeah, yeah, yeah,

920
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.

921
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: And as the children ran, they heard the sound of

922
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: the broom sweeping on the ground close behind them, so

923
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: instantly they threw the handkerchief down over their shoulder, and

924
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: in a moment, a deep, broad river flowed behind them.

925
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: When the witch came up to it, it took her

926
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 2: a long time before she found a place in which

927
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: she could ford over on her broomstick. But at last

928
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: she got across. Oh, she's not fucking flying. She's like

929
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: riding the broomstick like a horse. I think, Yeah, that's

930
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: as weird.

931
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: Maybe she's doing like a flintstone thing where her feet

932
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: are like touching the ground. You can't even fly down.

933
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you're not gonna win at the end

934
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: of this.

935
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I have a feeling the kids are coming

936
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: out ahead, But I don't know.

937
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: She sounds like a literal hobby horse exactly it horse.

938
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: It's very very monty bybee uh huh.

939
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: But at last she got across and continued to chase

940
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: faster than before. And as the children ran, they heard

941
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: a sound, and the little sister put her ear to

942
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: the ground and heard the broom sweeping the earth close

943
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: behind them. So quick as thought, she threw the comb

944
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: down on the ground, and in an instant, as the

945
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: cat had said, a dense forest sprung up, in which

946
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: the roots and branches were so closely intertwined that it

947
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 2: was impossible to force a way through. So when the

948
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: witch came up to it on her broom, she found

949
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: that there was nothing for it but to turn round

950
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: and go back to her hut. But the twins ran

951
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: straight on till they reached their own home. Then they

952
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: told their father, I am then this is not a

953
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: better place.

954
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

955
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: Well, they told their father all that they had suffered,

956
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: and he was so angry with their stepmother that he

957
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: drove her out of the house and never let her return.

958
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 2: But he and the children lived happily together, and he

959
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 2: took care of them himself and never let a stranger

960
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 2: come near them.

961
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: Look at this dad stepping up, you know, I know,

962
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: Look at the dad at the end of the day

963
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: being like, you know what I've been neglectful. Now what

964
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: about his other children whose mom.

965
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: Dad is who is now driven away?

966
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, huh, who's now driven away? Which I kind of

967
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: like the idea that she goes to join the Witch

968
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: and then they're just kind of this like you know,

969
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: Patty and Selma of the Woods kind of like or

970
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: she like teaches her her ways or like maybe the

971
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: Witch was originally driven out as an evil stepmother.

972
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't know.

973
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: Step moms get a bad rap. I've got a nice

974
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: step mom, shall you know, she's she's a yeah, you

975
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: know she's up there. But uh yeah, I don't know.

976
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a there's a there's anyway. I didn't

977
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: hate this witch. No, I just want I want to

978
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: know her backstory. Like if I were to make this

979
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: a film, I do want to know the Witch's backstory.

980
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Like and that would be the good Like

981
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: that would be like the fourth one in the movie,

982
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: Like ten years later they make the one that's the

983
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: backstory for the Witch where you're kind of on her

984
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: side and they wreck on all this stuff.

985
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Right, she doesn't But there's no excuse for not feeding exactly.

986
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for animal abuse, there's no excuse for

987
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: not feeding your dog or your cat eating children. Also,

988
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: maybe she was feeding the dog and cat like their food,

989
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: their special dietary, proper food, and the cat was like,

990
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I want a ham, Like who knows my cat would

991
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: definitely sell me out for a piece of ham?

992
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh totally, And you've never fed me.

993
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 1: You're like, bitch, I feed you every day.

994
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 2: There's food in your bowl right now, witch food.

995
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: There's literally food in your bowl right now. It's not

996
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: my fall, you're not eating it. I don't have ham,

997
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: but yes, we'd who among us would not be sold

998
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: out by our cats for a piece of ham.

999
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 2: And maybe the witch was just bluffing. Maybe like the

1000
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 2: witch was tired of like kids who had come for

1001
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: an apprenticeship as apprentice witches like would just leave right away,

1002
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: and so she was trying a little like tough love.

1003
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 2: She was like, I'm gonna put you in the oven

1004
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: if you don't learn how to do things that are

1005
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,720
Speaker 2: like vaguely complicated like weave and stuff.

1006
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, Well, here's the other thing. Is like it

1007
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: would clearly if she puts them the other oven and

1008
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 1: eat them, she's not sharing them with the dog and

1009
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: cat because I'm sure they'd be like, you know, that

1010
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: might be tit. Who knows, it might be tasted in

1011
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: a piece of ham. But if they're not getting properly fit,

1012
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, we don't have to dig into it too much.

1013
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: The point is is, uh, it's a little bit of

1014
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: a like don't neglect your kids, yeah story, But I

1015
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: like this one. I liked it. I liked that they

1016
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: got helped out by the furry friends who like you know,

1017
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: turned on their master.

1018
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and one of the things a lot of

1019
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: the Bobby a. Gas style stories, and in particular, is

1020
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: there's this idea that like, well behaved kids survive, and

1021
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: so the way that they win is that they listen

1022
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 2: to their grandmother who's like, treat everyone nice even when

1023
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: they're being a bitch to you, right, and like not

1024
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: don't run away, like don't you know they still have

1025
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: good boundaries, right, but they are like they show up

1026
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: and are like super polite everyone in sharing and shit

1027
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: like that. And so it's like a it's a sharing

1028
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: as caring and if you don't, you're going to get

1029
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: eaten by an evil witch.

1030
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes yeah. Because they could have always

1031
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: not given their way their food.

1032
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: To the to the animals, right, and then they wouldn't

1033
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: have had friends exactly.

1034
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to know what happened to the

1035
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: cat and the dog and the tree. Oh, you know

1036
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: above all?

1037
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, if you want to know more, No, I'm

1038
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: not going to talk about them anymo. I'm gonna talk

1039
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: about vampires, but I'm going to talk about them on Wednesday.

1040
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 2: But before that, we're going to talk about you. I'm

1041
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: gonna talk about the Situation Room.

1042
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, what do you want to know other than

1043
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: it's It is a podcast where activists and experts and

1044
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: comedians come on. We talked about the week's news. Lately,

1045
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: we've been talking a lot about Israel and Gaza. Naomi

1046
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: Klein was my most recent guest. She has a new

1047
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: book out called Doppelganger that actually spends a lot of

1048
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: time talking about Israel Palestine. It's beautifully written and it's

1049
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: devastating and really fascinating. So yeah, Bituation Room wherever you

1050
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: get your podcasts, or you can watch live at Franni

1051
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,600
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1052
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: Pacific four pm Easter.

1053
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, and if you want to follow, oh, if

1054
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: you want to hear me read more stories every Sunday

1055
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: the Cool Zone Media Book Club. I read fiction because

1056
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: that is now another thing that I do, and it

1057
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: is on this podcast feed, this very one you're already

1058
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: listening to, as well as that it could happen here feed,

1059
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 2: which you could also listen to when you do, you

1060
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: could use your week We're at round up from Situation Room,

1061
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: and then you're the equivalent of doom scrolling every weekday

1062
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: on it could happen here.

1063
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: I need to listen to your stories because and read

1064
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: your stories because I'm in desperate need of good fiction

1065
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: and getting Although I know it is not always sunshine

1066
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: and rainbows, at least it won't be necessarily like witches

1067
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: or war criminals.

1068
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: We actually and you know, we only have We've only

1069
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: put up so many episodes so far. I don't remember

1070
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 2: exactly when this one is coming out. We started about

1071
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: two months ago, right, and the first month is my

1072
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 2: novella that I'm reading called The Lami Slaughter of the Line,

1073
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: and it is witchcraft, but they're like, it's not this style.

1074
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: And then a lot of the stories that we're reading

1075
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: are like kind of trying to find hope in apocalypse

1076
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: and in like climate change and things like that, like

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Speaker 2: human stories that relate to all those things, And so

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Speaker 2: I think that it is a It is a good

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Speaker 2: It's not an antidote to the news because it doesn't

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Speaker 2: like make you like forget the things are happening. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: I hope that people like it.

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Speaker 1: But there's a story arc. There's no story arc. Time

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Speaker 1: is a flat circle in the cycle.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, totally no. In the same way that

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Speaker 2: like folklory, you're like, oh, man, another Siev. Whenever I

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Speaker 2: do history, it's like, oh, another person died of tuberculosis,

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Speaker 2: or oh another time people with authoritarian politics turned their

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Speaker 2: backs on everyone and killed everyone.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're like another doculosis, yeah, or both. In

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Speaker 1: the case of Mitch McConnell, although his was polio, we

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Speaker 1: have to talk about the Babba yaga who's stalking Mitch McConnell, because, like,

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Speaker 1: my god, that dude is seeing some kind of spirit.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a witch. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's a vampire, but it is something otherworldly that

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Speaker 1: dude's been experiencing Halloween, like twenty four to seven, specifically

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Speaker 1: when he gives press conferences. Sorry to make it political, but.

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Speaker 2: I think he's the vampire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's the vampire yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we'll talk about that, well, not Mitch McConnell probably,

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Speaker 2: but maybe on Wednesday.

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