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<v Speaker 2>link in the show notes. Previously on Hot Money, the

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on Daniel Kinahan is rising. His partners in the

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<v Speaker 2>Dubai supercartel are starting to fall, and police around the

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<v Speaker 2>world are working on a secret plan to take him

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<v Speaker 2>down for good. It's the morning of April twelfth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two, and reporters and crews arrive at a press

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<v Speaker 2>conference in Dublin that's been called by the Irish Police. Officially,

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be an update on how law enforcement agencies are

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<v Speaker 2>working together to collaborate against international organized crime, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit vague, perhaps suspiciously vague, and journalists they're starting

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<v Speaker 2>to speculate about what this press conference is really about.

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<v Speaker 2>Behind the scenes. John O'Driscoll is getting nervous. John's assistant

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner in charge of Serious organized crime. Ever since his

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<v Speaker 2>meeting with US officials three years before, he's been working

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<v Speaker 2>on a single objective. And the press conference this morning

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<v Speaker 2>in Dublin it's going to be the moment he finally

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<v Speaker 2>gets to announce it to the world. But John knows

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<v Speaker 2>that if work gets out, it could all fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>He's chosen the venue carefully.

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<v Speaker 3>I said that, beyond any doubt, it was not going

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<v Speaker 3>to take place in those rooms that we may have

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<v Speaker 3>had press conferences relate to the ken Hens previously.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, it would take place in Dublin City Hall. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the right sort of setting for a historic announcement. Marble flows,

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<v Speaker 2>huge classical pillars and statues on ancient Roman style plints.

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<v Speaker 3>The holding of the event in City Hall was important,

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<v Speaker 3>first of all because it is that one for building

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<v Speaker 3>that it is, but also it is situated in south

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<v Speaker 3>inner city Dublin, which is where the Kenhn organization emerged from.

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<v Speaker 2>Quietly, senior officials from various foreign police forces have been

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<v Speaker 2>flying into Dublin. People from the US Treasury, DA and

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<v Speaker 2>Customs and Border protection officials from Europole and the UK's

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<v Speaker 2>National Crime Agency, including Deputy Director of Investigations Matt Horn.

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<v Speaker 4>We derived the day before from the UK and had

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<v Speaker 4>been extremely well looked after by the GUARDA from the airport,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know they were keeping a very close eye

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<v Speaker 4>on ask to make sure that all the all of

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<v Speaker 4>us representatives of the international law enforcement community were sort

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<v Speaker 4>well looks after and well protected.

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<v Speaker 2>And despite all these high profile police officers arriving in

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<v Speaker 2>Dublin at exactly the same time, John's been able to

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<v Speaker 2>keep things under wraps. Everyone's now seated, The whole falls

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<v Speaker 2>quiet in anticipation, and John walks out onto the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Within minutes, the kinner Hands will become some of the

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<v Speaker 2>most wanted men on the planet. I'm Miles Johnson and

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<v Speaker 2>from the Financial Times and Pushkin Industries. This is hot

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<v Speaker 2>money The New Narcos, Episode eight, The Red Notebook. Back

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<v Speaker 2>when I started at the FT as a trainee reporter

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years ago, I never expected I'd end up writing

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<v Speaker 2>about organized crime. We covered things like the stock market

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<v Speaker 2>and mergers and acquisitions. There was this very clear boundary

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<v Speaker 2>back then between the world. We wrote about the world

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<v Speaker 2>of business, CEOs and politicians and the underworld, but something's

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<v Speaker 2>changed since then. The line between criminal activity and state

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<v Speaker 2>backed enterprise, between big business and gangsters has become fuzzier.

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<v Speaker 2>We live in a time where some heads of state

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly act like crime bosses, and the crime bosses they

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<v Speaker 2>act like the heads of multinational companies. It could be

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<v Speaker 2>a world leader investing billions into startups and tech companies,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time ordering the murder of dissidents abroad.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be North Korean state hackers stealing bitcoins to

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<v Speaker 2>fun missile programs, or Emmeinin backed tycoons using mercenary armies

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<v Speaker 2>to mine for gold in Africa. Or it could be

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<v Speaker 2>a cocaine cartel hiding out in Dubai while carrying out

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<v Speaker 2>contract killings in Europe for a sanctioned regime. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>part of the rise of a new type of criminal boss,

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<v Speaker 2>one backed by authoritarian governments. I called them state backed gangsters,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're thriving at a time when the world is

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<v Speaker 2>becoming more fragmented and more chaotic. Reporting on the Dubai supercartel,

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<v Speaker 2>I've discovered that European drug traffickers have been taking advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of the same money laundering channels that Iran uses to

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<v Speaker 2>evade Western sanctions. That seems to be the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>international criminals have become unlikely bedfellows with a theocratic regime.

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<v Speaker 2>That press conference that John's arranged, he knows it could

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<v Speaker 2>be the beginning of the end for the supercartel. But

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<v Speaker 2>before we get to that, I want to take a

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<v Speaker 2>little detour because there's an important question from the start

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<v Speaker 2>of this series that we still don't have an answer to.

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<v Speaker 2>The murder Broker was convicted for arranging the assassination of Alimtamed,

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<v Speaker 2>the electrician who was on the runt from Iran, but

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<v Speaker 2>no one has ever been able to find out who

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran gave the murder broker his orders. And enjoying

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<v Speaker 2>the reporting of this series, I came across something that

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<v Speaker 2>might help us get one step closer. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>case that revealed a ton of new information about the

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<v Speaker 2>way that Iran secretly pursues its enemies in Europe, people

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<v Speaker 2>like Alim Tamed. And there's someone I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to because he was directly involved in that case, someone

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<v Speaker 2>who has first hand experience of the long history of

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<v Speaker 2>violence against enemies of the Iranian regime wherever they are

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<v Speaker 2>in the world. Husseyin Aberdini was born in Iran, but

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<v Speaker 2>he now lives in London. He's in his late fifties

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<v Speaker 2>and he's quietly spoken that he's been fighting for most

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<v Speaker 2>of his life.

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<v Speaker 5>I have been with the resistance over three decades now,

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<v Speaker 5>nearly four decades.

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<v Speaker 2>In the spring of nineteen ninety, Hussein was a young

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<v Speaker 2>activist and he was in Turkey. He says he traveled

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<v Speaker 2>there to try and stop the deportation of Iranian refugees

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<v Speaker 2>who'd crossed the border illegally. One day in Istanbul, he's

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<v Speaker 2>in a car with two colleagues. They're on the motorway

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<v Speaker 2>when suddenly something blocks the road ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>The traffic slows down. Hussein's up front, sitting next to

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<v Speaker 1>the driver, and all.

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<v Speaker 5>Of a sudden we heard, you know, the sound of bullets.

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<v Speaker 5>They riddled our car from the bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Hussein barely has time to take in that someone is

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<v Speaker 2>shooting at them when a car smashes into the front

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<v Speaker 2>of their vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't drive away and.

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<v Speaker 5>Another car pinned us from behind. It was then which

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<v Speaker 5>I realized, you know, this was this was an assassination

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<v Speaker 5>or kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 2>A man jumps out of the vehicle in front, the

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<v Speaker 2>one that's just plowed into their car.

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<v Speaker 1>He's holding a revolver.

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<v Speaker 5>And it was only I think a couple of meters

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<v Speaker 5>before he reached our car. I tried to do something.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a briefcase belonging to my female colleague and

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<v Speaker 5>sitting the back of the car, so I just took dad,

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<v Speaker 5>opened the door and went to stop him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's clutching the briefcase like a shield as the man

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<v Speaker 2>starts shooting.

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<v Speaker 5>First bullet hit my chest and I didn't know how

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<v Speaker 5>many bullets, you know, I received then, and I just

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<v Speaker 5>fell down, fell down in the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Saint's lying on the ground, bleeding, and he can see

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<v Speaker 2>the man walk up to him. He's preparing to take

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<v Speaker 2>a final shot, but nothing happens.

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<v Speaker 5>The bullet jammed and the muzzle of the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a Saint's first lucky break. The traffic starts to

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<v Speaker 2>move again, and the assassin take off. Hussein desperately needs

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<v Speaker 2>to get to the hospital, but the car he was

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<v Speaker 2>in is smashed up, and everyone else on the motorway

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<v Speaker 2>they seemed to be trying to run away as quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as they can.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember very vaguely that my colleague threw herself, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>in front of one of the cars, and there was

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<v Speaker 5>a taxi which has stopped and I was put at

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<v Speaker 5>the back of the taxi and I just got unconscious.

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<v Speaker 5>The hospital was only three minutes away. If it was

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<v Speaker 5>further than that, I wouldn't make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Hussein fell into a coma. It would be fifty days

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<v Speaker 2>before he woke up. He was told that one bullet

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<v Speaker 2>had passed very close to his heart and another had

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<v Speaker 2>destroyed his liver. But even at the hospital he's not safe.

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<v Speaker 2>The killers they come back, and this time they're posing

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<v Speaker 2>as his friends.

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<v Speaker 5>But my true friends arrived and they were told, you

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<v Speaker 5>know that there are other people who wanted to come

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<v Speaker 5>and see me. And then those people escaped from the

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<v Speaker 5>scene when they realized, you know, there were people, my

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<v Speaker 5>true friends, you know, we're there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same second stroke of luck, and there'll be

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<v Speaker 2>a third one as well. When the killers call up,

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<v Speaker 2>pretending to be the police, they tell the hospital staff

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<v Speaker 2>that they know Hussein is now conscious and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to interview him about what happened.

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<v Speaker 5>But the president of Turkey in those days was Tolgodozol

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<v Speaker 5>and his mother, you know, was in the same hospital.

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<v Speaker 5>The president wanted to come and visit his mother, and

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<v Speaker 5>they sailed off the whole area hospital and they realized

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<v Speaker 5>there was another branch of police who wanted to come

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<v Speaker 5>and see me, and they found out there was a

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<v Speaker 5>Bogos call. It was the Ranian regime who wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>get rid of me because they didn't want me to speak.

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<v Speaker 5>That was very pure luck.

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<v Speaker 2>That was more than thirty years ago. Hussein tells me

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<v Speaker 2>he's still affected every day by the damaged onto his

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<v Speaker 2>liver in that attack. He's one of the rare survivors

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<v Speaker 2>of an assassination attempt by the Iranian regime. Several of

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<v Speaker 2>his friends and colleagues have been murdered since then. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>Hussain is a senior member of Iran's main foreign opposition group,

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<v Speaker 2>the National Council of Resistance of Iran or the NCRI.

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<v Speaker 5>SO the main objective of the National Council of Resistance

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<v Speaker 5>of Iran is to establish a democratic and the secular

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<v Speaker 5>government in Iran. Its main principle, of course, has been

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<v Speaker 5>against any dictatorship, whether there's the formula dictatorship of the

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<v Speaker 5>Shah or the present medieval dictatorship of the Mullahs.

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<v Speaker 2>The NCRI, it's an umbrella organization, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>largest groups within it is called the People's Mojahdeen Organization

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<v Speaker 2>of Iran, known by its Farsi initials me e K

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<v Speaker 2>now the MEK, it hasn't always had the West's approval.

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<v Speaker 2>It was implicated in several terrorist attacks against Iran, including

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty one bombing that Tehran claimed was carried

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<v Speaker 2>out by Ali matamed the Quiet Electrician.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Netherlands.

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<v Speaker 2>From nineteen ninety seven to twenty twelve, the mk was

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<v Speaker 2>designated as a terror organization by the US government, But

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<v Speaker 2>over the past decade it's refashioned itself and now it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty influential opposition voice on Iran. But for all

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<v Speaker 2>its acceptance by Western powers, the NCRI remains a top

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<v Speaker 2>target of the Iranian regime. In June twenty eighteen, Hussain

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<v Speaker 2>and his colleagues are in Paris. They're holding a huge meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>a rally called the Free Iran World Summit.

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<v Speaker 5>Tens of thousands of Iranians with many non Iranian supporters

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<v Speaker 5>of the resistance who came from sixty seven different countries

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<v Speaker 5>throughout the ward.

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<v Speaker 2>Dozens of foreign politicians are invited as well, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>convenes in a vast conference center. It's only afterwards the

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<v Speaker 2>Hussain finds out what very nearly happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was on the first of July. The

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<v Speaker 5>next day that was told by a friend that the

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<v Speaker 5>Belgian Featheral police, you know, they had arrested two Iranians

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<v Speaker 5>who are trying, you know, to bring a bomb.

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<v Speaker 2>Belgian police had arrested two Iranians who were on their

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<v Speaker 2>way to the Paris conference center with a bomb. It's

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<v Speaker 2>another lucky escape for Hussein and hundreds of other people.

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<v Speaker 2>And as police investigate the failed bomb plot, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to discover something that I believe could shed new light

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<v Speaker 2>on the murder of Alimtomed. It's the most important discovery

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<v Speaker 2>in decades about how Iran targets its enemies abroad. And

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<v Speaker 2>this time the clues aren't just glimpses, hints or encryptied messages.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in a battered, red notebook filled with handwritten notes,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the back of a car. So Hussein and

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<v Speaker 2>his colleagues they discover that someone had tried to plant

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<v Speaker 2>a bomb at the rally in Paris, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, police in Germany arrest an Iranian man on

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<v Speaker 2>a highway in Bavaria. His name is Assa Dolla Asadi

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<v Speaker 2>and officially he's the third councilor of the Iranian Embassy

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<v Speaker 2>in Vienna. He arrived in Europe in twenty fourteen, but

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<v Speaker 2>in reality he's a top spy for Iran's Ministry of

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<v Speaker 2>Intelligence and Security. It's Iran's equivalent of the CIA or

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<v Speaker 2>MI six. Assadi is running a network of agents across Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>meeting them in cafes in small medieval towns and handing

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<v Speaker 2>over secret instructions or bundles of cash. And months before

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<v Speaker 2>the Paris rally, he traveled to Tehran, returning to Europe

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<v Speaker 2>with a sophisticated bomb hidden in his diplomatic luggage. The

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<v Speaker 2>bombs made from an explosive known as Tatp or Mother

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<v Speaker 2>of Satan, extremely volatile. Asardi carries it on too Luxembourg

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<v Speaker 2>and hands it over to his agents. In this part

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<v Speaker 2>of the story, it's a bit less like a Lacarian

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<v Speaker 2>novel because the venue he chooses it's a pizza hut.

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<v Speaker 2>He gives them the bomb with instructions for planting it

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<v Speaker 2>at the Paris rally, and the code word he uses

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<v Speaker 2>is PlayStation. But what Asardi doesn't know is that European

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence agencies have been watching his every move and know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what he's been planning. They even disabled the airport

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<v Speaker 2>security scanner so he could get through. The two agents

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<v Speaker 2>are arrested as they travel from Brussels to Paris. Assardi

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<v Speaker 2>is pulled over by the police on a motorway in Germany,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the back of his car they find a battered,

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<v Speaker 2>red notebook filled with handwritten notes, notes that reveal that

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<v Speaker 2>Asardi was involved in way more than one bomb plot.

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<v Speaker 2>Assadi has listed hundreds of different meetings with agents across Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>He's itemized cash payments he's made to spies, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>listed more than two hundred places he's visited as part

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<v Speaker 2>of his work in eleven different countries. Because as Sardi,

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<v Speaker 2>according to the findings of a Belgian criminal court, is

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<v Speaker 2>part of a secret unit of Iranian foreign intelligence, a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of murder squad in Europe. It's called Department three

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<v Speaker 2>one two and its role is to kill opponents of

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<v Speaker 2>the regime abroad. There's not much public information about Department

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<v Speaker 2>three one two, but what we do know it's pretty terrifying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's thought to be a top secret unit that specializes

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<v Speaker 2>in spying on human rights activists, journalists and others who

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian regime believed to be a threat, but was

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<v Speaker 2>Ali Mtummed one of their targets. We know that Assardi

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<v Speaker 2>arrived in his new job in June twenty fourteen, a

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<v Speaker 2>little over a year before Alie Mtummd was killed outside

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<v Speaker 2>his house in ol Mayor. It was the first successful

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<v Speaker 2>targeted assassination carried out by Iran in Western Europe in

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<v Speaker 2>over twenty three years. And then two years later, in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, while Assardi was still free, another Iranian opposition.

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<v Speaker 1>Member was gunned down in the Netherlands.

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<v Speaker 2>So we can say that Assadi arrives in Vienna in

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<v Speaker 2>late twenty fourteen and then suddenly Iran is linked to

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<v Speaker 2>several assassinations in Europe. This isn't conclusive evidence, but according

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<v Speaker 2>to the Belgian criminal court documents targeting dissidents, that was

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<v Speaker 2>Assadi's job, so it makes sense that he would at

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<v Speaker 2>least be a suspect in the Matamad murder. And we

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<v Speaker 2>also know that Assadi he was reporting into really top

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<v Speaker 2>people in Iran, including the Deputy Minister of Intelligence After

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<v Speaker 2>his arrest for the bomb plot, Assardi's put on trial

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<v Speaker 2>in Belgium and he gets prison visits from some of

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's most senior spies and other officials from its foreign ministry.

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<v Speaker 2>They clearly cared a lot about this case. The criminal

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<v Speaker 2>case against Assadi was brought by the Belgian government, but

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<v Speaker 2>there were also twenty five five others who joined as

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<v Speaker 2>private plaintiffs. They were all at the Paris rally, and

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<v Speaker 2>Hussein was one of them, and it gave him access

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<v Speaker 2>to all the prosecution's evidence. He sent me the files.

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<v Speaker 2>This is hundreds of pages of documents in several European languages,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's also extracts from Asardi's red notebook. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>something else, something that I think could be important. Assardi's

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<v Speaker 2>job meant that he had to travel a lot on

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<v Speaker 2>work trips across Europe to meet with his various agents.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that even spies used booking dot Com,

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<v Speaker 2>the huge online travel agent, to book their hotels, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least Assadi did, and the details of all those

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<v Speaker 2>bookings they're in the files. So I'm sat here in

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<v Speaker 2>the offices of the Financial Times looking.

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<v Speaker 1>At these records.

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<v Speaker 2>Every hotel Assadi stayed in over his four years operating

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe. For some of the bookings he used his

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<v Speaker 2>official Iranian Foreign Ministry email address. For others it was

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<v Speaker 2>burner accounts from Yahoo and Gmail. I should have met

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<v Speaker 2>his agents in some pretty low key locations, and he

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<v Speaker 2>often seemed to book two hotels in different places for

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<v Speaker 2>the same night, maybe thinking it would throw off anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who was following him. In the records, they do show

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<v Speaker 2>that he traveled to the Netherlands on the sixth of

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty sixteen, less than a year after Mtammad was murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>He stayed at the Best Western in the Hague for

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<v Speaker 2>one night. The next evening, Assadi booked two hotel rooms,

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<v Speaker 2>one in the Dutch town of Meppel and another in

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<v Speaker 2>swart Sluice, both really small towns. And in April twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Assardi booked a room at the Savoy Amsterdam for one

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<v Speaker 2>of his agents. So we know he was working in

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<v Speaker 2>the Netherlands and around the same time that Ali Mctammad

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<v Speaker 2>was murdered. It's far from a smoking gun, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>enough enough for me to ask Kasain does he think

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<v Speaker 2>that Asardi could have been connected to the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>Mohammed Reza Kalahi, also known as Alimtammad. I lay out

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<v Speaker 2>what we know, so he.

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<v Speaker 6>Arrives, Assadi arrives in Austria in twenty fourteen, and then

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<v Speaker 6>in twenty fifteen, a man called Mohammed Reza Kolahi, who

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<v Speaker 6>was living in a town and al Mayor, was shot

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<v Speaker 6>and killed outside his house. The murder has never been solved.

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<v Speaker 6>They know who shot him, they know who told those

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<v Speaker 6>people to shoot him. The Dutch government then said we

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<v Speaker 6>believe the Iranian regime was behind this murder, and they

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<v Speaker 6>expelled to diplomat. But there's never been any any further

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<v Speaker 6>information about who could have coordinated a plot like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think it's reasonable to assume that Asadi could

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<v Speaker 6>have been behind something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't have a precise information about this case,

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<v Speaker 5>but it I think makes sense to believe that. Of course,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, then Asadi was the you know, the head

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<v Speaker 5>of this intelligence section in mainly the Western Europe. I

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<v Speaker 5>think that is this could very well be I mean

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<v Speaker 5>I said, it could very well be behind that.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's reasonable to assume, you know, we have a

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<v Speaker 6>spy working under diplomatic cover who is in charge of

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<v Speaker 6>all of Western Europe, and his focus is effectively organizing

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<v Speaker 6>assassination attempts against opposition figures. So it's a reasonable assumption

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<v Speaker 6>to think that of the assassinations or attempted assassinations that

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<v Speaker 6>occurred in Western Europe after twenty fourteen, he presumably would

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<v Speaker 6>have had to have some.

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<v Speaker 5>He's had a hand in his hand in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely what he say says.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, it doesn't prove anything, but at the very

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<v Speaker 2>least Assadi has to be considered a suspect. There's this

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<v Speaker 2>new wave of assassinations in Europe, all connected to the

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian state, and they begin after Assards posted to Vienna

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fourteen, and the first is the murder of

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<v Speaker 2>an electrician in a small Dutch town. A year later,

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<v Speaker 2>Assadi is convicted for the attempted bombing in Paris and

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<v Speaker 2>he's sentenced to twenty years for attempted murder and plotting

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<v Speaker 2>a terrorist attack. Iran denies any involvement, but will never

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<v Speaker 2>know if he was involved in Ali Mahommed's death because

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<v Speaker 2>after Asadi is convicted, a Belgian aid worker is arrested

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<v Speaker 2>in Iran on these trumped up charges of espionage and

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to forty years in prison and seventy four lashes.

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<v Speaker 2>Then in May twenty twenty three, the Belgian government agrees

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<v Speaker 2>to exchange Assadi for the aid worker, So Assardi he's

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<v Speaker 2>now back in Iran and his notebook aside. He's taken

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<v Speaker 2>his secrets with him. It's the twelfth of April twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty and we're back in Dublin City Hall. The entire time,

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<v Speaker 2>John O'Driscoll has been working on a plan to sanction

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<v Speaker 2>the Kinahans. He's been worried about it leaking because he

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<v Speaker 2>knows if the news gets out, they'll quickly be able

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<v Speaker 2>to hide their assets before they're frozen.

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<v Speaker 7>Today's a landmark day.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the Kinahans have run out of.

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<v Speaker 7>Time and in particular against the Kenahan organized crime gang.

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<v Speaker 2>John's boss, Drew Harris, Commissioner of the Irish Police, steps

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<v Speaker 2>up to the podium.

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<v Speaker 7>This organized crime gang started life as a sopha inner

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<v Speaker 7>city Dublin drug dealers, but has grown over the decades

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<v Speaker 7>to become a transnational crime cartel that is estimated to

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<v Speaker 7>have generated over one billion euro for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Then a senior official from the US Treasury announces the

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<v Speaker 2>news that will make headlines around the world.

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<v Speaker 8>So, as of today, the Kinahan transnational criminal Organization joins

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<v Speaker 8>the ranks of Italy's Camorra, Mexico's Los Zetas, Japan's Yakuza,

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<v Speaker 8>in Russia's Thieves in Law. Also, as of today, the

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<v Speaker 8>result of of these sanctions, these individuals are immediately served

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<v Speaker 8>from the US financial system and in the assets brought

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<v Speaker 8>property under US jurisdiction are immediate blocked.

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<v Speaker 2>At this moment, we have to stop here for a

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<v Speaker 2>minute just to take this all in. It's utterly remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>A criminal family that began in a Dublin flat in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighties is now being compared to the Yakuza

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<v Speaker 2>and Camorra crime groups whose origins date back hundreds of years.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been sanctioned by the US government, one of a

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<v Speaker 2>handful of organized crime groups to ever face that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of penalty, and the US also puts a five million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar bounty on the heads of Christy Daniel and his

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<v Speaker 2>brother Christopher Jr. Calling their organization a threat to the

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<v Speaker 2>entire Lizard economy through its role in international money laundering.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Chief Superintendent Seamus Poland he knows that the US

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions will destroy the in a hands chance of continuing

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<v Speaker 2>their life of luxury in Dubai.

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<v Speaker 9>Because the dangers with sanctions is that if any legitimate

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<v Speaker 9>business engages with somebody who's on a sanctions list, they're

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<v Speaker 9>actually the people who are committing the criminal offenses, and

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<v Speaker 9>they risk all their assets being seized and they risk

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<v Speaker 9>being prosecuted. So, you know, avenues to live the high

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<v Speaker 9>life that you would have had before are closed down

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<v Speaker 9>very very quickly. You know, people end up with so

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<v Speaker 9>much money from cocaine trafficking. Behind all this, it's all

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<v Speaker 9>about greed. You have money to try and live in

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<v Speaker 9>your big house, drive your fancy car, fly business class

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<v Speaker 9>all across the world, stay in the best hotels. What

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<v Speaker 9>the sanctions actually does is it removes a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>the facilitation that would be possible for people to live

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<v Speaker 9>their lives and to benefit from the illicit wealth that

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<v Speaker 9>they've actually achieved.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon, the United Ara memorates freeze Daniel's assets too, and

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<v Speaker 2>they empower their own sanctions on the Kinnahans in Dubai,

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<v Speaker 2>removing one of the last places on Earth they can

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<v Speaker 2>hide the Kinahans.

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<v Speaker 1>They go on the run.

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<v Speaker 9>Significant parties within the Kinahan organized crime group all went

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<v Speaker 9>to ground and have been attempting to evade justice and

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<v Speaker 9>hide in the shadows since that date. But from our

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<v Speaker 9>own information and intelligence and conversations with other criminals as well,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I think this took to a different level

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<v Speaker 9>because the criminal on the world in Europe didn't anticipate

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<v Speaker 9>that sanctions was something that would happen on this side

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<v Speaker 9>of the Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 2>But the strange thing is it's been more than a

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<v Speaker 2>year since that big announcement in Dublin and the Kinnahans

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<v Speaker 2>they're all still at large. It's not clear where they are.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard multiple rumors something that they're still in the UAE,

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<v Speaker 2>living on the false identities. Others think that there's somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>else in the Middle East laying low. Even had speculation

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<v Speaker 2>that they're building connections with Putin's Russia. So I asked Seamus,

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<v Speaker 2>why haven't the police been able to bring them in yet.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, investigations are still ongoing as well at the moment,

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<v Speaker 9>so the sanctions was only one phase of a much

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<v Speaker 9>wider investigation that that's continuously ongoing and taking place. And

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<v Speaker 9>as was announced in April twenty twenty two at the

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<v Speaker 9>designation as well. You know, extradition warrants were in place

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<v Speaker 9>for one of the principles who's sought for charges in

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<v Speaker 9>relation to murder and directing organized crime, and that's still

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<v Speaker 9>outstanding as well. But you can rest assured that that

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<v Speaker 9>investigations are continuing actively across many different jurisdictions.

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<v Speaker 1>For a few.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, the men one who gathered at Daniel Kinahan's wedding

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen seemed almost invincible. They created a new model,

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<v Speaker 2>stateless gangsters, using modern technology to run global mafias in

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<v Speaker 2>ways that were impossible a few decades before. But eventually

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<v Speaker 2>their reputation caught up with them. They made the mistake

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<v Speaker 2>of becoming too public, too brazen. I began reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>this story because I think it tells us something important

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<v Speaker 2>about how the world is changing and the global shifts

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<v Speaker 2>that made the Dubai Supercartel possible. They're only accelerating the

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<v Speaker 2>criminals of the future. I think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>more global, more sophisticated, and more dangerous, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to get harder to tell if someone's a gangster,

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<v Speaker 2>a businessman, or both. The story of the Supercartel for

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<v Speaker 2>me It's an ominous sign of these new hybrid threats

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<v Speaker 2>that democracies face and of government's weakening ability to fight them.

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<v Speaker 2>The sanctions against the Kinnahans, they've been hailed as a victory,

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<v Speaker 2>a landmark in coordinated action by Western governments to take

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<v Speaker 2>down a major crime group. But there's something I've kept

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<v Speaker 2>asking myself. With the sanctions a show of strength or

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<v Speaker 2>really just a sign of weakness. Some of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>most powerful governments have teamed up to go after the Kinnahans,

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<v Speaker 2>but a year later, they're still out there. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Dubai supercartel may be finished, but its model will live on,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps something new and maybe worse, will take its place.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, somewhere out there, it probably already has.

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<v Speaker 1>Not.

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<v Speaker 2>Long before the sanctions were announced, Rafael Imperiale, the Van

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<v Speaker 2>Goff boss, was arrested in Dubai and sent to Italy.

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<v Speaker 2>He since agreed to become a state's witness, and in

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<v Speaker 2>November twenty twenty three, he told Hallian prosecutors he would

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<v Speaker 2>sell off his eighty million dollar private island in Dubai

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<v Speaker 2>in the hope of his sentence being reduced. MTK, the

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<v Speaker 2>boxing company that Daniel Kinahan co founded It closes and

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<v Speaker 2>back in the Netherlands where we began our story, Paul Urks,

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<v Speaker 2>the crime reporter, has been able to come out of

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<v Speaker 2>police protection and return to his normal life.

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<v Speaker 8>We want dur life back in full, so not riding

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<v Speaker 8>an armored gah, but riding the bike and sitting down.

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<v Speaker 2>A terrace uleas a Eliam, the local councilor and our

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<v Speaker 2>mayor who campaigned about the Alimtamid murder. Well, he's now

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<v Speaker 2>a national politician. In twenty twenty one, he was elected

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<v Speaker 2>to the Dutch Parliament.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, you know, I was like this baby when I

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<v Speaker 10>got here. My father had like twenty dollars in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 10>But the honor of representing the Dutch people's it's massive

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<v Speaker 10>for me. My goal in life is defending democracy, defending freedom,

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<v Speaker 10>and that relates to the story of my dad and

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<v Speaker 10>also this story. Look how dangerous the world around us

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<v Speaker 10>can be.

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<v Speaker 2>In the Kinahans, they have to live every day knowing

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<v Speaker 2>they're being hunted by police.

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<v Speaker 1>For MIKEE.

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<v Speaker 2>Oysullivan, the man who first arrested Christy Kinahan in a

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<v Speaker 2>Dublin flat back in the nineteen eighties, it's only a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of time you.

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<v Speaker 11>Feel like saying to them, did you not think this

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<v Speaker 11>stay had come? By doing what you're doing? Better people

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<v Speaker 11>than them have been got and they have made themselves

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<v Speaker 11>a global target. And with the DEA on your case,

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<v Speaker 11>the world is a small place and it gets smaller.

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