Speaker 1: Hello, Shadow Fam, welcome back to Return to the Shadows.
Speaker 1: Today we have a very special episode all about our
Speaker 1: very own Tom Sherwood's new movie Eraser Reborn. Dom, how
Speaker 1: exciting and congratulations, I just saw the movie. It's wonderful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's It was a lot of fun, and we have
Speaker 1: the real pleasure of being joined by the rest of
Speaker 1: the cost Eddie, McKinley and Jackie. Thank you for being
Speaker 1: hey guys. First of all, this is a really cool
Speaker 1: way of talking about what what we alrea experienced together.
Speaker 1: Thank thank you. Thank you for having us, Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. What's up Shadow Fam? Of course, Well
Speaker 1: it's so lovely to meet you Eddie and McKinley. And
Speaker 1: I have to say I was already a very biased
Speaker 1: and a big fan of this movie before I even
Speaker 1: saw it, because Dom and Jackie and I all worked
Speaker 1: on Shadow Wanters together. Yeah, yeah, we did. We've already
Speaker 1: got the first degree of separation there, I guess. So
Speaker 1: this movie is sort of it's a reboot, as it were,
Speaker 1: of the nine blockbuster film A Racer directed by Chuck Russell,
Speaker 1: starring none other than Arnold Schwartzenegger and a whole slew
Speaker 1: of other amazing folks. But let's get started with a
Speaker 1: little bit of a game. So have you guys seen
Speaker 1: that trend where you poorly explain kind of what you
Speaker 1: do for a living. You know, for example, an I
Speaker 1: T person says, oh, I tell computers to do things,
Speaker 1: so in I guess as simply and vaguely or humorously
Speaker 1: as possible. Can you tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: the movie and your character? Uh? Yeah, yeah, I spoilers,
Speaker 1: no spoilers. I'm Dom Sherwood and I play Mason Pollard who,
Speaker 1: after a love affair with the military, decided to poorly
Speaker 1: raise farm animals in South Africa. It's not even that
Speaker 1: far off, like it's it's sort of there. Like we
Speaker 1: filmed with a with a real Ostrich, we filmed with
Speaker 1: a real lives that works. That was your complete backstory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just really wants to be a farmer, and we
Speaker 1: went full method for it too. I'll have you no cat,
Speaker 1: I have no doubt. I mean, if there's anything I
Speaker 1: know about Dom, if there's any kind of dog or
Speaker 1: cute animal anywhere in your set, he's gone. He's just
Speaker 1: full as full, full as one of them. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: what about Yeah, Jackie go for it. Well, I'm Jackie Lie.
Speaker 1: I play Arena Kamara and uh I run away from
Speaker 1: things that never stop? Fair enough? Pretty close? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: killing bolt to the third. I play Paul Whitlock, who
Speaker 1: is a U. S. Marshal and a big brother to
Speaker 1: Don's character with an attitude problem. Don's character has the
Speaker 1: hat two problem, or your character has the attitude problem.
Speaker 1: We both have attitude problems. We have problems. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. What's up, guys. I'm Eddie Ramos. I play
Speaker 1: Sugar Jack's I feel that Sugar is the guy who's
Speaker 1: loyal through thick and thin, but after he saves your life,
Speaker 1: he won't shut up about saving your life, so he
Speaker 1: never lets you forget it. Yeah, it's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Well this this movie is certainly unforgettable
Speaker 1: in so many ways. Tell me a little bit. Were
Speaker 1: there any major nods to the original Racer or you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, what can we expect to see some crocodile
Speaker 1: fights or or what differences where they're very nearly was
Speaker 1: really we le and the original script? There was some.
Speaker 1: There was some crocodiles, for sure, there was. There was
Speaker 1: at least one that we would have interacted with and
Speaker 1: then that got next at some point, but very nearly,
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of cool like nods to
Speaker 1: to the originals. But I think one of the cool
Speaker 1: things that John tried to do, whilst paying respect to
Speaker 1: the original version of the film, is also creates something
Speaker 1: new to create something that new audiences and new fans
Speaker 1: are gonna hopefully like and enjoy watching. So I think
Speaker 1: there's sort of a happy mix of both of those
Speaker 1: things in in this film. Yeah, I completely agree with
Speaker 1: them said. We definitely pay homage to the original film
Speaker 1: with some sort of key iconic moments. But part of
Speaker 1: the joy of setting in Cape Town mostly is that
Speaker 1: we're we're sort of couching this beautiful place in Africa.
Speaker 1: That allows for a lot of exploring and and capturing
Speaker 1: the beauty of this place. Cape Town is one of
Speaker 1: the most beautiful places I've I've ever been in my life.
Speaker 1: So tell us give us a little bit of insight
Speaker 1: into your experience in Cape Town. What what was the
Speaker 1: experience like shooting there? Did you have any experiences offset
Speaker 1: that we're kind of fun and exciting. Did you have
Speaker 1: a chance to explore we Eddie and I did did.
Speaker 1: There's a big mountain in in the middle of Cape
Speaker 1: Town called Table Mountain. Yeah, it's like not even really
Speaker 1: a hike, like it's a tough like there are parts
Speaker 1: of it that are pretty vertical. And that was like
Speaker 1: our bonding experience, right like the first day there, we
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, let's do it, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was a great experience. I mean I remember there
Speaker 1: was like a past that had been lost on the
Speaker 1: ride up, so Domini stopped our car. We were helping
Speaker 1: our driver find the past. I remember getting up there
Speaker 1: and thinking we're just going to handle this thing, right,
Speaker 1: and like, I mean an hour later we're huffing and
Speaker 1: puffing getting in the top. But like, yeah, really awesome
Speaker 1: bonding moment um. I will also say it's a twenty
Speaker 1: three hour flight from l A to Cape Town, so
Speaker 1: like let me just preface that also, guys, like everyone knows,
Speaker 1: like that was a shuper long flight, but like so
Speaker 1: worth it so much fun and uh I really never
Speaker 1: wanted to leave. I loved filming in South Africa. It
Speaker 1: was cool too because we got to shoot a couple
Speaker 1: of scenes in like some of the townships, so you
Speaker 1: really get to see not only like sort of the
Speaker 1: beautiful coastal side of Cape Town, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of the beautiful people that lived here, and a lot
Speaker 1: of our crew are South African and a lot of
Speaker 1: the actors are too, So like, I feel like you
Speaker 1: really get a beautiful snapshot of this country in this city.
Speaker 1: So well put. Yeah, I think that's one of the
Speaker 1: best parts of this job is that we get to
Speaker 1: travel and meet so many people, but also experience so
Speaker 1: many different film and TV communities all over the world,
Speaker 1: and the different cruise and different folks. Don't even just
Speaker 1: film and TV. I mean, obviously we do get to
Speaker 1: experience that as well, but with this, especially McKinley and
Speaker 1: I in this group, we got to experience a vastly
Speaker 1: different culture and actually talk about the culture within the
Speaker 1: movie and some of the history within the movie. And
Speaker 1: there's something really special about that. And you come home
Speaker 1: with this this more sort of profound understanding of the
Speaker 1: world a little bit, which is which is a really
Speaker 1: kind of beautiful thing to be able to do whilst
Speaker 1: also doing the thing you love for a career, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So he was blessing, I will say in preparation for
Speaker 1: my character Sugar without giving too much away, Sugar gets
Speaker 1: sent to Cape Town and so his part of the
Speaker 1: back story was that he gets immersed into this culture
Speaker 1: and really embraces it. And Uh, because of filming and scheduling,
Speaker 1: I was actually pretty free for the first like two
Speaker 1: and a half three weeks of filming while the rest
Speaker 1: of these guys were on set. From the moment we landed,
Speaker 1: I had, he had three weeks of just hanging out
Speaker 1: and so I got to explore so much of Cape Towns. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your point, cat of like, you know, the beautiful
Speaker 1: places we get to travel to. Like when I saw
Speaker 1: South Africa as part of the filming location, I remember
Speaker 1: getting so excited about the audition process and like put
Speaker 1: so much pressure on myself even more so to kind
Speaker 1: of get this one. And then I mean it was
Speaker 1: a dream contrue to come out here, Um, come out
Speaker 1: to South Africa, and then you know, to meet the
Speaker 1: people of our our crew was I think from South
Speaker 1: Africa was so cool. Yeah, that's really incredible. So I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to talk a little bit about all the
Speaker 1: animals in this movie. We've touched on it. There were
Speaker 1: so many how many of them were those all actually
Speaker 1: live animals on set or any of them c G
Speaker 1: I or you know without there were so many. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys were in a zoo for the most part.
Speaker 1: You're very very sweet. Two of them a c G I.
Speaker 1: The Ostrich was real and it was a particularly well
Speaker 1: trained ostritch. Jackie had Jackie, you should take this. You
Speaker 1: had a you had a pretty decent experience with I
Speaker 1: think that the South African name for it, the the
Speaker 1: Afrikaans name. I can't remember the actual word, but it
Speaker 1: was like cheeky bird or naughty birds. That's what that
Speaker 1: was his name. Did this had a name or that
Speaker 1: in Afrikaans? So that was its name and I just
Speaker 1: can't remember the Afrikaans translation, but yes, that was its name. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they were so sweet and so gentle, and
Speaker 1: I had to be afraid of them, and it was
Speaker 1: it was so weird because I had to rile them up,
Speaker 1: whereas they were supposed to do that to me. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was such a cool experience. They're super sweet
Speaker 1: birds and so well trained. But definitely a first having
Speaker 1: to act with a ostrich. With an ostrich, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: was particularly well betrayed this Honestly, she did like everything
Speaker 1: that we wanted her to do in two takes. It
Speaker 1: was crazy and we're just like, oh, we're done with you. Great, awesome.
Speaker 1: The one thing with ostriches that I noticed that it
Speaker 1: was quite funny. So obviously, I'm wearing a United States
Speaker 1: Marshall's badge throughout the film, which is quite a shiny
Speaker 1: sort of silver star, and it's on my waistband on
Speaker 1: my belt at the front. And ostriches, no matter how
Speaker 1: well trained they are, they like shiny things, big fans
Speaker 1: of shiny things. So we would be you know, like
Speaker 1: acclimatizing myself and letting the ostrich acclimatize to me because
Speaker 1: I have to shuffle it, you know away at the
Speaker 1: end of the scene and you just sort of see
Speaker 1: its eyes like glanced down at my crutch and I'm
Speaker 1: like no, no, no no, no, and they will go for it.
Speaker 1: They like go for my badge, and I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: getting close to this is like the tendering. We gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta be careful here because this you're a big bird.
Speaker 1: You're walking around the targeting your chest. Yeah, if I
Speaker 1: wish it was on my chest, but it was like
Speaker 1: an inch and a half away from my groin put
Speaker 1: it on my chest. My goodness. Well, I mean clearly
Speaker 1: you had a lot of action in this film, from
Speaker 1: ostriches to all of the other stunts. Was there, what
Speaker 1: what was that process like for all of you? Did
Speaker 1: you work extensively the stunt team? Did they put you
Speaker 1: through a boot camp? How did that all? You have
Speaker 1: Vernion and Stewart where like they were just badasses who
Speaker 1: who really saved us because we didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of time to prep for a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 1: If I'm not from mistake, and that's how I met you, Dom,
Speaker 1: like when we were sort of prepping for one of
Speaker 1: those fights. I'm a big fan of sort of jumping
Speaker 1: head and head first into like the physical side of
Speaker 1: the stuff, because like we can think and talk about
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff all day, but like when when
Speaker 1: you have a really physical thing to do, it can
Speaker 1: really sort of jump start you into like what it
Speaker 1: is to live in the body of the person that
Speaker 1: you're playing. So I was really grateful to have those
Speaker 1: sessions with Stewart and Dom and Vernon to really just
Speaker 1: figure out how these guys moved together and guys who
Speaker 1: are partners and who are U s marshals and who
Speaker 1: have a history as our characters do in the armed forces.
Speaker 1: That's an important sort of vocabulary for us to figure
Speaker 1: out together. Absolutely, Vernon's team was really good at, you know,
Speaker 1: having a foundation for us, but really listening to what
Speaker 1: we feel our characters would want to be doing, how
Speaker 1: the moves fit in with our physical abilities. So it
Speaker 1: was such a collaborative process. It wasn't so much like
Speaker 1: this is the choreography, learn it. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was a dance with everybody, and they're really good
Speaker 1: at making sure that we're comfortable and feel, you know,
Speaker 1: strong and confident in everything that we were doing. So
Speaker 1: it turned out to be the most fun I've ever
Speaker 1: had besides Shadow Hunters. I was gonna say, if if
Speaker 1: there's anything I know about about dum and you as well, Jackie,
Speaker 1: you're both certified badasses and great fight partners on screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't. Yeah, I had no real concerns about
Speaker 1: Jackie taking this on because I think one of the
Speaker 1: first times we met was that fight scene that they
Speaker 1: just threw you into with a sword that was twice
Speaker 1: the size of you, and John like, the director was like,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think about Jackie, and
Speaker 1: I was like, she can do this. I think like,
Speaker 1: because we didn't chemistry read for this, did we? She?
Speaker 1: They they found me, and then they found Jackie and
Speaker 1: I just kind of got the note for it and
Speaker 1: was like, great, Yeah, she can do this. She knows,
Speaker 1: she knows what she's doing. I've seen her do this before.
Speaker 1: She can do this, which is crazy because you can
Speaker 1: test it with other actresses. I did, Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I did like three days worth of chemistry reads with
Speaker 1: different actresses and for whatever reason, they want to correct fit.
Speaker 1: They were all phenomenal actresses, but for whatever reason, they
Speaker 1: weren't the right fit for this this particular role. And
Speaker 1: then you know they've found you, which is great. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we're all very grateful for that. You listened
Speaker 1: toy thing about Chemishary tested and Domina Chimis you tested
Speaker 1: for I got the part we did. I'm curious for you,
Speaker 1: like what a lot of your prep was before you
Speaker 1: got here? Yeah? I I so. Once I got the
Speaker 1: role um and I knew I had the role. John
Speaker 1: Poe got director who previously was involved in a movie
Speaker 1: called US Marshals, obviously was in touch with us actual
Speaker 1: act of serving U S Marshals from that and managed
Speaker 1: to put me in touch with a man called Lenny
Speaker 1: De Paul, who is um I think, the new Jersey
Speaker 1: commander of the United States Marshals. So I got to
Speaker 1: do a lot of research with him. We were on
Speaker 1: the phone sort of every other day, and honestly, they
Speaker 1: were so amazing about sharing different experiences. They sent me
Speaker 1: to different training facilities and this, that and the other,
Speaker 1: and a lot of it was sort of the tactical base,
Speaker 1: and then from the emotional standpoint, from the understanding of
Speaker 1: who the character is. John and I would be on
Speaker 1: face time for two or three hours at least once
Speaker 1: a week during prep time. Because I don't know if
Speaker 1: you remember this, like because it's it's sort of I
Speaker 1: forget about it. But we were supposed to do the
Speaker 1: movie like three months or four months before we ended
Speaker 1: up doing the movie, and we kept getting delayed and
Speaker 1: pushed back because of COVID's Yeah, because it was you know,
Speaker 1: South Africa and Cape Town as well. We're hit very
Speaker 1: hard by COVID and it's very fortunate that we were
Speaker 1: able to get out there and that people are starting
Speaker 1: to um, you know, be okay and they're getting a
Speaker 1: handle on the on the virus there, which is great,
Speaker 1: but we were delayed for quite a long time because
Speaker 1: of this, and what it gave us was was just
Speaker 1: more time, like more time to work on these people
Speaker 1: and work on these characters and gain a greater understanding
Speaker 1: of who they are and why they make the choices
Speaker 1: they make. What we found towards you know, when we
Speaker 1: started shooting the movie and we were all made aware
Speaker 1: of this is there really wasn't much time. You know,
Speaker 1: we did this within a very ambitious schedule and a
Speaker 1: lot of days be fore, I think all of us
Speaker 1: there were times where we were shooting from one currently
Speaker 1: filming unit to another currently filming unit, just back and
Speaker 1: forth throughout the day. So there really wasn't that much
Speaker 1: time to sort of stop and think and process whatever
Speaker 1: it was. So we had to do that all in
Speaker 1: the prep, which I know for me that was a
Speaker 1: wonderful learning experience of how important that prep is um
Speaker 1: and how I'm going to move forward wouldn't continue using that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's one of the things that I think was really
Speaker 1: beautiful about having those conversations with John is because I
Speaker 1: think each of us in some way was able to
Speaker 1: layer in some stuff until like the characters were playing
Speaker 1: in the relationships that we're building, some like personal stuff,
Speaker 1: some stuff about like the institutions were representing, and then
Speaker 1: making sure we also layer in that stuff about the
Speaker 1: place that we're in South Africa and Cape Town. So
Speaker 1: I'm also incredibly grateful for that extra time because I
Speaker 1: think if we had shot it starting at that late
Speaker 1: January time, but we would end up with a different film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I completely agree. Yeah, McKinley's being kind of
Speaker 1: modest as well. Now, McKinley had such an insightful look,
Speaker 1: especially to do with like the places and the culture
Speaker 1: and the history of where we were, and sort of
Speaker 1: came to me with these ideas and we're like, remember
Speaker 1: we sat at the bar in the hotel and we
Speaker 1: just sort of read through these little bits and we're like, wow,
Speaker 1: these are amazing, Like these need to be in the film.
Speaker 1: And John was was very willing to start working with us,
Speaker 1: and that's what we ended up doing on the day
Speaker 1: was this these ideas that McKinney had put forward that
Speaker 1: are really poignant and really quite beautiful. I'm grateful for
Speaker 1: that time in that space because it feels like honoring
Speaker 1: the place that we're at that we're in. I agree.
Speaker 1: So what to that point, what, as a whole each
Speaker 1: of you do you hope people take from this film
Speaker 1: or what are you most excited for folks to sort
Speaker 1: of see an experience. Well, I mean we've already spoken
Speaker 1: about the fact that it was filmed in Cape Town,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a lot of beautiful scenery and
Speaker 1: cultures and people that we get to showcase in the film.
Speaker 1: I think that's really cool as well as I mean
Speaker 1: for me, I just really hope that the audience enjoys
Speaker 1: it and is entertained by what we've put together. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, that's really our hope is
Speaker 1: that people who watch it feel like it's a time
Speaker 1: well spent. Yeah, yeah, I think. I mean, like, we're
Speaker 1: actors and we're telling stories. So first and foremost, I
Speaker 1: hope people are entertained and enjoy this or we're telling
Speaker 1: But I think there's a heart in this sort of
Speaker 1: action film that we're telling to and like you get
Speaker 1: a chance to see how a couple of different kinds
Speaker 1: of people metabolized trauma, and anytime I see that playing
Speaker 1: out before me, I just hope it gives people an
Speaker 1: encouragement towards stepping towards a more empathetic way of looking
Speaker 1: at the world and other people. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: for me, I think what I would love for the
Speaker 1: you know, the viewer to kind of take away with
Speaker 1: probably be something about the friendships, the loyalties, the teamwork
Speaker 1: that came about from the different factions, from finding Jackie's
Speaker 1: character to you know, McKinley's character and Dom and I
Speaker 1: just how we all kind of joined together, some people
Speaker 1: with better endings than other, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: it was I think that was really the part. And
Speaker 1: again teaming up with all these South African actors and
Speaker 1: all these South African characters, like it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a combination of two worlds, this American world and the
Speaker 1: South African world, and just how we kind of find
Speaker 1: are footing together in that. I thought that was just
Speaker 1: so much fun to do and portray. Yeah. Um, I
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more with with the other guys. They really
Speaker 1: hit the nail on the head there, And yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you're right, Like, you know, we we tell stories,
Speaker 1: that's what we do for a living, and we fall
Speaker 1: in love with these stories, and we hope other people
Speaker 1: do and have fun. We just hope people have fun
Speaker 1: and enjoy it. And if we got to showcase a
Speaker 1: little culture, or a beautiful city somewhere far away in
Speaker 1: the world, or some wonderful people, some amazing talent that
Speaker 1: maybe you haven't seen before, then that's a huge bonus.
Speaker 1: So fingers crossed we get all of those things in.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Well, folks should certainly be excited for this movie.
Speaker 1: But also speaking of other worlds of differing folks coming
Speaker 1: together to create a fun family and form a team.
Speaker 1: If we were to tie in a racer to the
Speaker 1: shadow world, where in that world do you think that
Speaker 1: your characters would would fall? Do you think you be
Speaker 1: shadow hunters at were locks or Sele's or vampires or
Speaker 1: where wolves where we are wizards? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I wish, yeah, wizards of warlocks in this shadow world,
Speaker 1: and I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think
Speaker 1: that's absolutely would be. Sugar Jack's is like tricksy little
Speaker 1: although you might be a Sely like yes, these are
Speaker 1: like trisy, like yeah, might I feel like Rena might
Speaker 1: be like a vampire? I guess, you know, maybe like
Speaker 1: a camel Bellcourt kind of vibe. We just spoke to you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know it should have crept for
Speaker 1: these questions. Honestly, I think maybe a human like I
Speaker 1: think you would be mundane. I think mundane isn't a
Speaker 1: rude word in this context. By the way, Mundane is
Speaker 1: is how we refer to human beings in the shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters Lingers, the Muggle equivalent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you would be I think you would be human.
Speaker 1: I think you would be kind of flawed and then
Speaker 1: frustrated that this all of this sort of mystical stuff
Speaker 1: is going on. Like without him, I think he would
Speaker 1: be more sort of almost like the Simon character. And
Speaker 1: but like pre what happens to Simon the early Simon
Speaker 1: first three episode Simon three, Camille simate, what about you, McKinley.
Speaker 1: I haven't the slightest idea, but is there is there
Speaker 1: a person who is shrouded in mystery? Because whatever that is,
Speaker 1: I'll be there. I mean that could be where will
Speaker 1: foreshadow Hunter could be Warlock. It could be it could
Speaker 1: be like McKinley could be the first like hybrid of
Speaker 1: a few of the different versions like I could. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I could get behind that as a concept, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was just about to delve into
Speaker 1: like giving away what happens in the film, which I'll
Speaker 1: try not to do. Um, but it's so hard to
Speaker 1: talk about it without giving something away. I know, I know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is run away with the whole thing, and you're like,
Speaker 1: and then this happens, You're like, yeah, yeah. All I
Speaker 1: can say is is it was a pleasure to work
Speaker 1: with with all of the cast and crew everyone out there.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys so much for coming and doing
Speaker 1: this on our on our little podcast. It has been amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's been so lovely meeting and reconnecting with
Speaker 1: all of you and and watching the film. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. Amazing. Thank you. Than a Racer. Reborn
Speaker 1: is available on blue ray, DVD and digital right now,
Speaker 1: So make sure you get out there and get your
Speaker 1: eyes on it because it's a lot of fun. Return
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Speaker 1: McNamara and Dominic Sherwood. Our executive producer is Langley. Our
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