WEBVTT - Solidarity and Collective Responsibility 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.880 I'm Tamika D. 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.559 Mallory and it shit Boy my son in general. 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:05.559 We are your host of TMI. 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:09.600 Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and Inspiration. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:16.280 New name, new energy. What's going on, my son, Lennon? 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.439 I am blessed, black and Holly favored, Tamika D. Mallory. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:20.320 How you feeling today? 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:21.000 Good? 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.840 You know, I'm still I'm on vacation. I'm only here 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.800 because I love doing the show. You know, I think 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:31.560 since we have rebranded, I love to street politicians too, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.920 And in fact, sometimes I wish we didn't change the name. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.920 But that's a whole, different, whole different conversation. Yes, but 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.520 I understand why we needed to evolve. We've been doing 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:43.519 that for a while and it certainly had put up 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:50.120 some robot blocks for us. But I have had a 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:55.080 renewed excitement around coming to this studio and beautiful studio 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:56.920 and being here and filming the show, and so I 0:00:56.920 --> 0:00:59.200 don't mind doing that. But this is like the only thing. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.520 And I say that, and then I do sixteen different things. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.160 Go I say I'm only doing the show, and then 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.560 I go to Newark to a city council hear and 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:09.760 now I say I'm not going to do this, and 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.039 then I got to go to somebody else's event and 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.199 do this and that. But I'm really It's after Thanksgiving, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.160 and you know, I don't go back to work until 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.880 second week of January. All these people calling me talking 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.880 about are planning meeting and this and that, and I'm 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:24.319 doing it. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:26.360 I don't know why though I don't want to. I'm 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:27.000 on vacation. 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.119 Listen, the work don't stop. Man. We had to give 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.919 out turkeys, you know, Shout out to unfriendly Baptists. Shout 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:41.000 out to Vanessa Gibson, Kevin Raley who donated turkeys, my 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.160 little young Kings who was out there giving out. Shout 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.520 out to Bronx logo. My boy was with me. We 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.240 had to bust full of turkeys, hundreds of turkeys that 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.640 we drove and we picked them up and we went 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.600 to the store by ourselves. They picked up them turkeys. Man, 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.120 So shout out to everybody. Miss Tea over there. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:02.280 Mil Walker, who's a hard legend, my friend Jessica Walker's father. 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:06.400 He is I don't know exactly what his title is 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.120 for the State Office building in Harlem, but he runs 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.239 it and he's been there a long long. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:12.640 Long time. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.320 But I'm sure he has a title chairman or something 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.280 like that. I don't know exactly what it is, but 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:23.320 mister Walker is a Harlem legend, okay, and he made 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.280 sure to send some turkeys. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:26.480 Definitely shut up to him. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.239 You got a long line of people out there. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:31.280 Oh man, that line was long, and it was over 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.000 so fast that this probably was like the fastest. I 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.840 think we were a lot more organized. Yeah, we and 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:38.959 we had and it was a lot of more people 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.600 that but it was more people than we've ever usually 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.360 at the end of our turkey drives, like we'll be 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:46.880 having about thirty more turkeys that we have to stop 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.079 cars that's driving by me, like, hey, you want a turkey. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.120 They was on that line in about thirty minutes. 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.960 They got their turkeys and that was. 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:57.920 Gone, two three hundred turkeys going in a matter of 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.960 thirty minutes. Yeah, So shout out to everybody came out. 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.880 You know, there's something that I want to make sure 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:04.240 that we do. I try to give back to the 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.040 community because you know, it's hard, Like you said, people 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.480 can't afford you know, eggs and milks, so I definitely 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.400 can't afford turkey. So you know, we made sure that 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:14.480 we do for the community. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:14.639 Man. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.880 They always appreciative, you know. Once again, shout out to 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.200 mis t Shout out to to my cousin James, you 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:25.600 know over there at Fronty Baptist Daycare Center for always 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:26.960 housing all of our events. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:31.240 When I was at the city council meeting for in Newark, 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:35.040 they said I heard one or two people say, you know, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.320 sometimes I'll be thinking to myself, Wow, black people black, 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.440 not even black people. I take that back. I always 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.320 say black people. Everything for me is about black people. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:48.200 But older people can be so rude and crazy, like 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.760 how the hell please don't let me be the real 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:55.080 crazy person. I think about like how our mothers can 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.200 be when they want to be, how they can be, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:02.640 you know, and imagine that with people being upset about 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.640 their communities and dealing with trauma. That So it was 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.520 like times ten in these in this council meeting with 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.600 people saying all kinds of things, and I'm thinking to myself, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.960 the young people that are watching the older people, you 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.800 can't possibly expect that the younger people are going to 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:21.000 act right when they go outside when we're inside of 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.599 a actual courtroom. Really, I mean, well, I don't know 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.960 if it's a courtroom, but the council, that the chambers, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:33.599 the chambers, and I mean Jesus, but one thing I 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.200 can say is that they keep you honest. Dumb people 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:41.480 over there, they keep you honest. And one of the 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.400 things that I did, because what I tried to do, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.440 there was a lot of abrasive conversation and a lot 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.360 it was whoa at times, because people feel they got 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.840 their issues. They bringing it to the forefront. It's how 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:57.599 I feel, right, And I said, okay, let me stop 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:04.280 watching and and and you know, and being influenced if 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:08.880 you will, or whatever triggered by the tone, and listen 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.760 to exactly the words. And there was a woman who said, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.800 we don't we don't have jobs, or no, they don't 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.960 have jobs. She didn't say we maybe she has a job. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.280 They don't have jobs. But they got a turkey. And 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.760 I was like, damn, like for a person who gave 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:30.920 out turkeys and who worked to get them to pick 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.960 them up, to bring it to your community, to get 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.560 boxes of turkeys. So because you want to help a family, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.080 that that's one thing that they don't have to deal 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.960 with this holiday. They know for a fact that every 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.800 year two days three two to three days before Thanksgiving, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.560 my son is going to give out turkeys. And that 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.400 makes people be like, Okay, I don't got to worry 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.320 about that. I can get all my other things, which, 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.200 by the way, next year our plan is to have 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.719 all the other things and the turkey. But a shout 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:06.560 out to country cooking Auntie sad out in Philadelphia. I 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.760 was looking at some of what she gave out and 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:10.760 I was like, oh, this is exactly what I want 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.600 to do, you know, not no envy, but like learning 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.440 from influenced by right, and you do something so good, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.440 and then to hear someone say, oh, I ain't got 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.640 a job, but I got a turkey, it's so deflating 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:26.960 because it's. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.279 Like, damn, we're just dealing with so much trauma. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.599 Right, Because then I was gonna say, but I feel 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.599 you though. I feel you though, like you don't have 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.920 a way to buy your own so you got to 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.000 depend on somebody else to give you one, when really 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.120 all you want is a job. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.320 Reality is the person that's giving you a turkey don't 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.839 have a job for you, so they trying to compensate 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.800 for whatever they can because they understand that you don't 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.880 have a job or you don't have the resources, right, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.240 so you kind of villainizing the person that's trying to 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.640 do the best that they can because they probably barely 0:06:57.680 --> 0:06:59.520 got a job for themselves. But they saying, I got 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.880 a little more what somebody else does, so let me 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.599 try to give back a little more. And we don't 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.600 understand that we do more harm to our own people 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.560 when we criticize them for trying to help than anything. 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.840 But I guess I want to feel like and understand 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.040 that it wasn't meant for the person who gave out 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.480 the turkey, but it was really a message to the city, 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.440 to the city council people like yeah, we've got all 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.240 of these things, these trinkets being done, but the central 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.840 issue is that so many of our people don't have jobs. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.000 And it's not a newer thing by itself because newerk 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.040 you know, from what I can see and just you know, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:40.000 talking to Keisha Yuri, who is the Deputy mayor for 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.720 Violence in Intervention, Uh she and I probably got that 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.880 tight wrong, but she's definitely over the Office of Violence Prevention. 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.239 There you go, she's a deputy mayor. She was really 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.560 showing me like this is what we've done. These are 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.280 the jobs, This is what we have been able to 0:07:55.400 --> 0:08:00.360 do for the community, for grassroots organizers around this issue 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.720 of violence interruption, and we have the data to prove 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:06.880 that it's working. It may not have solved the problem, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.080 but it's working, and it's working in a lot of 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.760 places in Newark that used to be like popping all 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.120 the time. You see the violence calming down, and so 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.360 there are people who are really working hard. But it's 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.120 not a Newark problem. People speaking in the New York 0:08:22.160 --> 0:08:26.480 City Council meeting are responding also to what's happening in Alabama, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.200 what's happening in Saint Louis, what's happening in DC and 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:34.479 New York City across the bridge. Folks are just feeling suffocated, 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.560 They're feeling strained, they're feeling suffocated. So you know, it's 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.160 a good place to be because I always put myself 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:47.000 in the middle of listening hearing from people who are frustrated, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:53.040 because that informs for me and reminds me, humbles me, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.600 to remind me that you're doing a little bit of stuff. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.320 You're doing a little bit of stuff, but you're not 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.920 even comparing to what it really is. Going to take 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:08.839 to actually heal our communities. So don't you get yourself 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.760 all feeling big and high fluting because you gave out turkeys, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:15.880 or because you gave out whatever, because you did any 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.120 None of it is the solve. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:19.680 We're just trying to do our part. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.320 It's hard. It's hard, but that's that's a that's a 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.559 tough pill to swallow for a lot of people, right 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:27.920 because we asked, we ask our people to give back, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.440 We ask our people to look out for the communities. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.440 And then when you feel like you're being villainized for helping, yeah, 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.959 the average person doesn't know how to take that. Right. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.720 So when we look at we hear the quote unquote 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.079 sellout and the people that left the community because they've 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.480 been beat down by the people they're actually trying to help. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.920 And it's and it's it's trauma. And if you don't 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.920 understand that, if you don't really understand where we're coming 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:53.240 from and what goes on in our communities and how 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.440 that trauma has affected them to where a lot of 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:58.160 people hurt people actually hurt people. If you don't do 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:02.040 that and you internalize that, then it sours you. You know, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.719 I feel like people man, fuck y'all can start. I'm 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.320 gonna be good me and I'm worried about me and 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:08.959 my family because I hear that all the time, or 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.880 I gotta worry about me and I don't. I don't 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.920 have that mindster, and I refuse to have that mindster. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.840 So regardless of whatever it is, it's never always just positive. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.120 It's there's a lot of negative feedback that I get. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.040 But at the end of the day, for me, when 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:24.079 when I see those people and they take them turkeys 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:25.520 and they smile and they hug you and they say 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:30.040 thank you, and they know Thanksgiving is coming in three 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.520 or four days before we give out the turkeys, they 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.640 called me, Hey, are you giving turkey this year? 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.480 They call you about the community day doing? 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:39.560 What's today doing? 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:41.559 You know we're giving y'all giving out book bags, you 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.319 got school supper. So I know that they there's a need, 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:45.400 they appreciated, they need. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:49.200 And it's it's sometimes the squeak, the what you call 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.520 the squeaky wheel gets the oil. So the person who 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:55.440 might be speaking the loudest is making you feel like damn, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.719 like what you know, why did I do it? If 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.680 it's gonna be met with this type of fear. But 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:04.520 actually those people are in the small majority. And I 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.000 think that's something for us to say to all those 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.120 people who are out there trying to do things, not 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.920 just in the holiday season, but all the time, to 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.880 keep going, you know, keep going because the majority of 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.440 people they appreciate it, they see it, they're thankful, and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.000 they speak highly of you when they're not around you. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:23.560 And I'm not talking about just you. I was thinking 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.520 about you know, Maya Baraka, and I stick it to him. 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.960 It's got to be hard because we know him. He's 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:35.720 one of the most authentic elected officials in the entire country, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.320 like he truly is that not just him, but also 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:48.280 may and Lamamba in Lord in miss Jackson, Mississippi. Also, 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.520 I believe you know, Oh, I know who I want 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.600 to say. I'm talking about black men right now, Wes Moore, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.640 the governor of Maryland. These are people that I know them, 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.880 I know their hearts, and I could probably go on 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.800 with a list. It ain't that long of a list, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:07.920 but it's a list of black elected officials are outgoing 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.960 Congressman Jamal Bowman. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.560 There are people out there. I was trying. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.200 To I know, I know, I was trying to find 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.360 choquait la Mamba, but got it? 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:19.839 Does he know? He know he's my brother? 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.839 These I have to wonder what these people feel when 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:28.080 they go home and they sit with all of this stuff. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.360 I'm trying to be authentic. I'm out here giving of myself. 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.120 I'm up against y'all don't even know, Like when I 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.439 walk out of this room talking to you, and you 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.760 done beat me down and told me I ain't shit 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.320 and cussed me out and said you ain't got this, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:45.120 and you ain't got that, and this ain't right and 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.720 that ain't right. With some of that stuff, I acknowledge, 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:49.920 and I'm trying to figure out a way, But you 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.520 don't even know that when I turn my back and 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:56.520 I go this way, the people that I have to 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.440 deal with to fight for the little bit of resources 0:12:59.440 --> 0:12:59.880 that I am. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.959 Able to bring to the community, it's no joke. 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.440 Like it's hard and it's a struggle. And so I 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.959 just I thought about may and Baraka while I sat there, 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:12.600 and I said to myself. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.760 These people have every right to speak for their truth. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:16.319 They do. They have every right. They were talking to 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:17.240 the council members. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.040 It's a little different, but nonetheless it has to be 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:24.720 a heavy burden as a black person who's in a 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.200 position of power, especially as an elected official, to hear 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.520 people just beat you down and down and down and down, 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.720 and you did everything wrong all the time. No matter what, 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.760 we're still all human, you know. So anyway, shout out 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.600 to May and Barroca because he is doing a really 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.640 really good job of trying to turn a city from 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.160 hell to getting closer to heaven. He definitely is doing that. 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.679 Just real quick on my thought of the day, so 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.480 last week, so this is really true in true black 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:58.280 women mine in our business fashion. Something happened last week 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:02.240 and I just watched to see what people would say, 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.280 who was going to be out there. I saw a 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:09.280 few people speak on this issue, but not many. Walmart 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.520 decides to close its DEI initiatives down. They shut down 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.440 all that stuff, and they closed some other department that 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.400 has to do with black folks and LGBTQIA communities and 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.600 so on and so forth. So basically all that stuff 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.120 that they have been involved in for many years, they 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.440 decided they're not doing those things anymore. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:28.840 Now. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.840 First of all, I worked with and no Walmart, right, 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.560 it was a struggle to get it in the first place. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.120 So just be clear that Walmart did not just pop 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.080 up out of nowhere, like we love black people and 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:45.760 we want to have initiatives for other marginalized communities. No, no, no, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.880 people fought Walmart and they had to open up their 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:53.280 board of directors and their advisory board and other initiatives 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:58.000 within the company because they were losing support from black people. 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.280 Black people were speaking out against them, Black civil rights 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.600 organizations were holding them accountable. I think, I think, and 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.440 so if I'm wrong, I can be corrected. But I 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.920 think they had made it to a list at some 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.680 point of corporations that are not doing good in the diversity, 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.760 equity and inclusion space, and so they were not. This 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.120 stuff did not just happen because Walmart was just this 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:27.160 good company. This happened over time, and since they've been 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:31.920 in this position with DEI programs, there still has been problems. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.280 It's not like they just went and got straight and 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.120 they were just these great stewards. No, they still still 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:42.240 still had community issues. Just thinking about John Crawford, the 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:44.760 man had a toy gun in Walmart and they shot 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.080 him to death, right, And Walmart's response at first was 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.200 kind of shaky. People had to like beyond them, and 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.400 then their response got a little bit better. And I 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:56.160 don't even know where it ended up, because you know, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.280 with these corporations, one day they'll be over here saying 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.680 like were that this happened, and then the other day 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:05.840 they won't change the policy. Though that actually created the 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.320 situation in the first place. You got Walmart being a 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:14.320 place that actually sells weapons. Right two people, you can 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.920 go walk up in Walmart in certain places because of 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:17.320 the state. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.640 I'm not saying that this is Walmart's doing it. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.040 I'm just saying, because of the laws of the state, 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.200 you can walk in there and get a gun, and 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.640 meanwhile the police are able to come in there and 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.720 shoot a man down over a toy gun in the 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:34.360 damn store. So don't let's not get it twisted. They're 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.960 not closing down their DEI stuff now because of Trump. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.360 That is a lie. It is a lie. 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.800 So anybody who's out there like, oh my god, Trump 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.080 and so no, no, no, the environment calls for a moment. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.200 Prior to even Donald Trump and him now being elected. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:56.600 This has been going on since the summer of twenty twenty, 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.040 when corporations acted like they were so excited to get it. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.080 Involved with DEI. 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.440 By the next year, most of the commitments that they 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.640 made they never actually. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.000 Followed through with. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.760 And so for me, I just a black woman mind 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.320 of her business. I just sat there and looked at 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.680 it and said to myself, so what you you posting it? 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.520 You are in the comments section. I see all these 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.399 people like, oh my god, you see you see Trump's coming. 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:26.360 And now what you're gonna do about it? What you're 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.159 gonna do about it? 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.800 People ain't gonna do nothing but talk, because when you 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.159 explain to them that these things were happening, that we 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.920 already for saw all these things coming, forecasted exactly, we've 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.000 seen it coming before it even happened. And we explained 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:41.199 to them, look, they're setting the stage for this. What 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.680 they did with the feels is fun, right. They told 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:45.920 us that we can't even support our own people. So 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.159 we if we can't support our own people, you know 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.880 that they wasn't gonna support our people. So and then 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.159 people say, and then the thing about it is that 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.640 we like, once again we have our own people telling 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.800 us that, well we don't need d I, you know, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.919 and we made d I into a cur But then. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.600 They say it, would it not be dee I When 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.399 you say, what exactly is Kamala Harris or Joe Biden 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.159 whomever gonna do for black people? 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:12.520 Is that not de I? 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.159 I think it's o d I think. But I'm just 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.600 trying to tell you the narrative, right, the narrative is. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.439 And the thing is the others they never asked the 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:22.280 other side what they're gonna do for black people because 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.840 they don't care. You understand, they don't really want they 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.879 You are just trying to tell you that this is 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.879 a strategy that they use all the time because they 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.760 don't really want those answers, right. They want to ask 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.439 a black person. They want to ask people that support 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.840 black people, what are you gonna do for black people? 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.120 So that the other side could block you anyway because 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:41.760 they never gonna do nothing. So they want you to 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.560 publicly say, yea, I'm gonna be for reparations, so the 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:51.760 Republicans give reparation, You're gonna get them people. It just 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.639 don't make sense. It's so counter productive if we do 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.159 it all the time to ourselves, and I watch I 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.879 watch us do the same, you know, in a barrel 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.000 song and dance bullshit all the time. So we are 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.119 where we are. So now you ain't got d I. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.359 So now these major corporations that take all your money, 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:12.520 that that you know, that feed off black people, that 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.520 feed off the one trillion, the ten trillion dollars that 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.520 we one whatever it is, it's ten trillion, should be 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:21.840 up to about ten trillion by now. But whatever it is, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.040 we are the biggest consumers in the world. And now 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:26.960 we don't even call the people who we consume from 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.720 to hire us anymore, to give us positions in these 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.120 corporations and in these companies. So now they don't kind 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.520 of give you ship. They can keep hiring their cousins, 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.240 their brothers and their sisters that don't have any qualifications, 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.600 and you can graduate the top of your class, and 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.000 you can go in there with your resume and they 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:42.520 can say we don't want nothing to do with you 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.359 because you're not doing d I no more. Because you 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.600 the d I hired just because you're black. You are 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.399 you smarter than everybody. You don't graduate top of your class, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.080 you did all the ship, you don't beat them in 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.640 every other area in the world. And now you come 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.720 to get a job for the corporation, they tell you, now, 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:58.679 we don't do it, not. 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:00.639 Just the job, because they will let let you clean 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.840 the floors, and they will let position and they right, 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:08.600 and they will let you do some front office stuff. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:11.760 You can answer telephones maybe because if white women decide 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.000 that they want to go to work, then you might 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.359 not even be able to answer the telephone. But you 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.320 will not be in a senior level position. You will 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.400 not be as we for on the boards and this 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.200 and this and that. So you know, and they will 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:25.960 have some black people there, but there will be black 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.760 people who agree with their position, black people who support them, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.040 black people who have their same mindset or at least 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.679 act like they do to be able to get in 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.480 the room. And you know, I was sitting there thinking 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:39.600 to myself, I was saying, no, they will, they'll have. 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:43.480 Well, but they did just what they. 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.440 Did, just put them a black person in the department 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:50.920 of huts. Well, but I'm just saying there will be 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:56.359 a black because the reason why these companies will put 0:20:56.400 --> 0:21:00.680 a black person in charge of some thing or put 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.680 them somewhere in a position within a company is because 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:07.800 they do want When you go on their website and 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.280 you look them up and you're making a decision about 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:12.960 who you want to buy certain things from. They do 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.920 want you to have the illusion that these people of 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.240 the illusion of inclusion. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:19.000 That's a very good. 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:21.240 That's good. That was great, my son. You get this 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:25.720 snigger the finger snaps for that. However, when I see 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:30.320 people saying, oh, Walmart, Oh Walmart, Walmamart, Walmart, you know 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.960 what I say. I don't wear Nike. I found some 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:37.520 I was going through boots this weekend and I found 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.720 some Gucci boots. That's bad to the bone. I pulled 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:45.160 them out, said, damn, these boots to fly. I forgot 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:49.240 I had them. I might have got those boots probably 0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.800 six months or so before we decided we weren't wearing 0:21:54.800 --> 0:22:02.639 Gucci anymore. After they fashionably a black face sweater. I 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.440 don't wear them anymore. I looked at the boots. I said, oh, well, 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.240 somebody can have these. I had some snow boots though 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.200 that's school treet that. I'm like, only time I would 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:11.800 ever really put them on my feet is to go 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.720 outside and shovel the snow. 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:14.480 So that's okay. 0:22:14.600 --> 0:22:17.520 Then they can make it for that, and I don't 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.520 have I just don't. I don't wear them. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:20.120 I don't wear them. 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.640 It's somebody else I don't wear. It's some other brand 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:25.240 that I don't wear, and it's certain stores I won't 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:30.080 go in. So I'm already on the boycott stuff train. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.960 I don't So you don't worry about sending me Walmart, 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:37.120 because once they said they canceled d I I already 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:40.800 knew I wasn't going back to Walmart again in my life. 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:44.320 I could be in the middle and my family members 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:45.679 that live down South. 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.040 All they have is a Walmart. 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.480 So I understand that that is all literally Walmart in 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.800 the city in Alabama that my family is from. Walmart 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:59.439 is the mall. It is literally the mall. So I 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.919 understand in their situation. But I promise you that me 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.760 when I go down there to visit them, I'm coming 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.640 from Atlanta from a different store with the stuff in 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.920 my car because I will not walk in Walmart for 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:13.840 any reason. 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:15.560 Anything I have to have. 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.119 I'm not going in Walmart to get unless it's life 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.680 or death. I don't eat. I don't eat waffle House. 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.639 I don't do nothing all of this Shakisha Clemens waffle House. 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.639 I don't eat waffle I don't care. I have I 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:32.880 have arrived in Ohio some years ago. It was late 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:36.840 at night. There was nothing open Walmart, I mean, waffle 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:40.440 house was the only thing open. My entire family looked 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:42.720 at me and said, it's sad that you're gonna really 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:45.560 be hungry, because we getting ready to go over there 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.639 and get us some waffle house. I said, well, I 0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:50.240 won't be eating it, and you know what ended up happening. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.480 They was like, we can't even go in here because 0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:54.600 of this, and we went to my aunt's house and 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.400 pulled out the grits from the cabinet and made our 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.480 own damn food. I won't be going to Walmart. That's 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:01.800 just my position on it. 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:04.879 Our guess to coming up. 0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.119 We got to reset and we'll be right back. So 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.800 we're super excited today to be joined at the same time. 0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:15.120 Usually we'll have one or the other, but today we 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:21.000 have two of our friends, you know, my sisters, our sisters, 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.399 two women that I respect so much. You know, I 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.600 was looking at something the other day where a person 0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:30.160 said I love you to a woman and then they 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:35.119 said I respect you, and it struck me because that 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.600 second sentence sometimes is even more important than the first. 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.960 Everybody loves everybody, but to say I respect you. It's 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.119 so deep, and I truly respect the two of you 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.159 and so excited that y'all are joining us today so 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.359 we could talk. You know, anytime all three of us 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.560 get together in one place, people get worried about what 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:53.879 we might be getting ready to say, and you should 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:57.199 be worried, because we have plenty to say. But we 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.920 wanted to have an authentic conversation post election to catch 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.800 up to, you know, just kind of kick it and 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.360 talk about where we are, where we stand, and make 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.680 sure that the world continues to see that while people 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.320 may be hurting and folks have all types of feelings, 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.640 that folks who've been together must stay together more now 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.360 than ever before. So I'm excited to have Linda Sarsour 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:19.480 and Carmen Perez. 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.440 Yeah, yes, three fourths of the Women's March coach here. 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:26.520 Three four You know, he ain't gonna never let Bob 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:27.439 be on Bob. 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:30.280 Bob is Bob. 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.919 But you actually it's a three fifths because technically you were. 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.200 Like the fifth coaches. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.480 Of the Women's March, Yes. 0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:41.439 The honorary fifth coach here, because you know, I had 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.560 to make sure everybody was safe. So that's that's a 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:46.480 coach here in itself. So you know, I'm just glad 0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:48.879 to see you guys like I always do. You know, 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.119 these people run my life. 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.840 But you know that's the best. 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.800 Always because we love and respect you the same way. 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.720 Respect I say guys all the time. We all say it, 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:05.679 but to stop saying. Tyson was in a room with 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:09.320 a bunch of women, and when a young lady who 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.360 was one of the speakers, got up to the podium, 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.800 she said, yeah, guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.679 and sisterly Tyson stood up in the audience and started yelling, 0:26:19.240 --> 0:26:21.040 where do you see guys in this room? 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.120 Hold which one guy? Stand up? Guys? And there was no. 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.240 As she said, these are not guys. Why do you 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.240 use that? And everyone whenever I've said it to other people, 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.479 they are like, that's I mean, it's just a regular thing. 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.520 But oftentimes we don't think about how we've been conditioned 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.399 to say things like I'm not a guy, You're not 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:41.680 a guy. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.919 You're not a guy. We're ladies, right, and so. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:47.120 You ladies, ladies and one guy. 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.320 But I say guys. 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:56.080 Sisters and sisters Linda's favor line, sisters and brothers, sisters, 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:56.480 and brothers. 0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:57.040 We are here to. 0:27:00.480 --> 0:27:03.320 Well. I asked the two of you to come. My 0:27:03.440 --> 0:27:05.200 son said, you asked who to do? 0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:06.200 What I said. 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.199 I wanted to have Linda and Carmen to come so 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.600 we could talk about a lot of things, and particularly 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.720 the Women's March. I think it's important because we now 0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.880 see that the Women's March, those who are there as 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.240 organized as within I guess the Women's March organization, they 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:26.240 have called for another march and there's a whole lot 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:28.320 of talk about it. In fact, there is someone who 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:31.200 works within the Women's March name Tamika m who's black. 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.480 I don't know her full last name, who has been 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:38.280 soliciting people for different reasons for a while doing her work. 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.640 I've been told she's a great young lady. I don't 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.520 know her, but it makes people call me and say 0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:48.680 to me, will you back at the No, not me, sorry, 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:51.320 and so wanted to talk about that. But before we 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.800 get there, Before we get there, I think that it's important. 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.080 You know, as I said, we've been together, we will 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.359 always be together. And when over the last few weeks 0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:06.520 since the election, I've been in conversation and in fact, 0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:10.920 even before the election, there were black women who would 0:28:10.960 --> 0:28:15.399 say to me, I swear to you, if people don't 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:18.400 vote right in this election and they let Donald Trump 0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.639 become president, I will never talk to so and so. 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.120 I will never march with so and so. I don't 0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:28.320 care whatever they were, you know that concerned, and you know, 0:28:28.359 --> 0:28:32.320 of course, sometimes I have the energy to push back. 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.679 Other times, depending on who it is, it's somebody who's like, 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.320 you weren't gonna fight no way. So it really is 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:40.880 an important and I know there's some people who it 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:45.520 is their literal excuse to get out of having to 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.320 stand up and speak out against things that are pretty dangerous, 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:50.000 like the. 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.240 Stuff we get involved in. 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:53.600 It is not I don't know why we can't find 0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:57.520 like scholarships to give out like something. Now we get 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:00.880 involved in all these controversial things. Some people they just 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.000 really never wanted to be involved in the first phase. 0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:05.120 But then there are people who really. 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:06.840 Have been engaged. 0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.000 They've put their reputations on the line, their organizations on 0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:14.640 the line, even when they were afraid or just didn't know. 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.120 I'msure we pulled them along. 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.120 Some of them jumped in front to say, hey, I 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.720 don't like what's happening in Gaza. Or you know, I 0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:25.840 feel immigrants need to be protected or whatever, and they 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:29.800 are feeling very bruised by the election. By the numbers. Now, 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.440 I think it's important for us to always be careful 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.520 about exit polls because as I've been studying, it's like, 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:38.720 it's no way that the polls that came out the 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.120 first few days could be correct when you still have 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.680 more numbers being dropped every single day. So you got to, like, 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.440 you know, look at those numbers and really analyze it. 0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:52.640 But I do I hear women and men, but particularly 0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.800 in the ninety two percent of black women saying that 0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.160 they are tired of standing up for everybody, and that 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:02.920 includes black men sometimes, you know, and they are now 0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:07.120 deciding to retreat and to not be engaged in any 0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.520 movement at all. I know, I don't have that luxury, right, Like, 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.560 that's a to me, that's a luxury to decide you're 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:18.160 not going to continue to be engaged in intersectional movement building. 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:20.560 I don't have that luxury, nor do I want it. 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:21.000 You know. 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.240 I love where I sit in a place where the 0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.720 people around me are not all the same, and that 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:27.440 means that when. 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:29.040 I'm tired, you pick it up. 0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.520 You pick it up. We fight together, but it's a 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:32.360 difficult place. 0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.520 So anyway, I set all of that just to set 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:38.320 the tone for talking about coalition building, because we are 0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:45.360 the big rainbow. Like everybody, we're in the second phase 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:49.840 of the rainbow coalition. Reverend Jesse Jackson started the Rainbow 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.680 Coalition and then we came and we have actualized it 0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.560 as a true coalition that is a rainbow, including you, 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:03.480 mister CoA chair of They're Women's March. So how do 0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:05.520 you all feel like just after the election? 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:06.240 In general? 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:10.280 We talk, but every day the feelings change, you know, 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:12.880 So I just wonder whoever wants to start on how 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:15.800 you feeling in this moment, I let you start. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:22.200 I feel I feel the same. 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.440 I knew we was going to fight regardless of who 0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.400 went to the White House. We were already prepared. We 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:29.360 were having the discussions about whether or not if it 0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:31.360 was going to be Kamala Harris, what kind of fight 0:31:31.400 --> 0:31:33.360 we were about to have, if it was going to 0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.240 be Donald Trump, what kind of fight we were about 0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:39.280 to have. And you know, as someone who's Palestinian like unfortunately, 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.240 you know, we knew that regardless of who went to 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.600 the White House, the genocide is probably going to continue, 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.720 that the conditions are going to be the same. But 0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:49.680 I want to say to many of those black women, 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:51.920 some of whom I know myself personally because of the 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.000 work that I do with you and the friendships that 0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:56.880 I've made through you and through your networks, is that 0:31:56.960 --> 0:31:59.200 it's okay to feel all those things, and in fact, 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.200 it's tolkay to chill, like, you know, take some times 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.040 off of the holidays, relax, like a lot of people 0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:06.560 were really working hard during this election, Like people were 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.360 really spending time away from their family, They were traveling 0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:11.120 to other states. There were people that were on the 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.840 phone constantly all day every day. I was witching the 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.560 car many times during our own work, And I know 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:19.160 people were working hard. And of course you feel disappointed, 0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:22.440 you feel frustrated, and we also know who Donald Trump is, 0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:24.320 so that also is part of it. It wasn't that 0:32:24.840 --> 0:32:28.000 Kamala lost an election to like a regular moderate Republican. 0:32:28.040 --> 0:32:30.680 We lost an election to a fascist authoritorian Like this 0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.440 is not a joke, and we understand that. So I 0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:36.280 really haven't taken anything personally. I think people should be 0:32:36.280 --> 0:32:38.440 able to feel what they want to feel. But I 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.200 want to offer a perspective in ways that I think 0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.719 about this election. A lot of people who were outraged 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:46.960 that Kamala Harris lost the election, and they were saying, 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.400 you know, how could they, you know, how could some people, 0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.600 you know vote for Donald Trump? How could some people 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.960 look past you know, the racism, the bigotry, you know, 0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:57.640 all of that and vote for Donald Trump. And as 0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:59.560 we know, a lot of folks chose things that were 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.880 personal to them, whether it was economic reasons that they 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.400 voted for Donald Trump, etc. And I say to people, 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:06.320 it's the same thing that people wanted people to do 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.480 to vote for Kamala Harris. People wanted people to look, 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.280 for example, past the genocide. They wanted us to look 0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.920 past the genocide, to forget that this Democratic Party just 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.160 aided a better a genocide and that Kamala was part 0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.520 of an administration that did that. And we were supposed 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:23.800 to do that because it was still somehow the right 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.040 thing to do. And it's not about whether I agree 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:27.880 with that perspective or not, but that's how a lot 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.840 of voters thought about it. Like in both cases, we 0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:36.040 had to overlook major outrageousness in order to make those choices. Now, 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:39.040 for me and all of us we organized under Donald Trump. 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.280 I know who Donald Trump is, I know the people 0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:45.400 personally around him are absolutely outrageous. And so I sit 0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.640 in this weird place where I'm like, I get it, 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:50.360 I get what you are saying. But now I'm more 0:33:50.360 --> 0:33:53.480 self reflective and I'm more like, Okay, we could be frustrated, 0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.800 we could be disappointed, but maybe we just got to 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.560 sit and ask ourselves a question, why and how did 0:33:58.600 --> 0:33:59.760 we get to this place. 0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.040 We're the What were the. 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.240 Deficiencies of us as a movement? What were the deficiency 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:08.160 of a democratic party? And stop blaming the opposition for everything. 0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.840 Everything can't be because of them, Maybe it's because of 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:12.879 us sometimes. And that's kind of where I'm at right now. 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.160 So I'm not I want people to you know, take 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.400 this holiday time, this, you know, before the end of 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:19.640 the year. And people I've seen women saying that they're 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:22.439 taking you know, vacation, they're taking time off. That's nothing 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.239 wrong with that, because guess what, the fight is still 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:25.719 going to be here. What I'm hoping is by the 0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.120 time you get back here after the new year, you 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:30.680 got your mind right and you're back outside where we're. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.400 All supposed to be well. 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:36.040 I think for me, I pivoted, first of all, like, 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:38.320 I'm so happy to be with you all and really 0:34:38.840 --> 0:34:42.000 engage in a conversation about this, because y'all are like 0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:45.240 the people who I go back to when I'm dealing 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:49.200 with various things, and especially the movement and this very 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.600 purest mentality, because clearly that's not the way we live 0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:55.319 our lives. Right, We're still representing a community that we 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:57.880 are from. 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.719 And so I think Linda's absolutely right. 0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:00.560 I think that. 0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.480 You know, a couple of things happen for me is 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.359 in twenty twenty, there were numbers that were released about 0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:13.440 Latino voters and although they favored Democrats, that were beginning 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:18.080 to lean Republican. And so what I learned in twenty 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:22.120 nineteen December of twenty nineteen was that there was a 0:35:22.160 --> 0:35:24.520 confidence gap when it came to Latina voters and they 0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.880 were going to be the largest majority block that were 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:31.680 grown into the largest minority block when it came to voting. 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:35.759 And so I pivoted, and I started building with other 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.880 latinas a group called Boderistas, and really trying to educate 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:45.840 our young women through lifestyle, trying to get them civically engaged. 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.640 What didn't happen is we didn't get the Latino men right. 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.879 So I focused on women because that's where we saw 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:54.279 the confidence gap, and so we were able to see 0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.520 Latina show up and vote. But when I was out 0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.799 there voting or knocking on doors in Pennsylvania or in 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:06.000 Arizona or even in California, Latinos were saying that nobody 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:09.319 came and knocked on their door, or that they were 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.560 not being spoken to or outreached. 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:13.720 To by the Democratic Party. 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:18.040 That it was really Trump that was out there making 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:23.000 these announcements. And also I think various things were happening 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:26.680 in the Latino community. The church plays a huge role 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:31.239 as well as economics plays a huge role, and then 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:33.040 Latinos are not a monolith, right. 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:38.200 So for me, I think the first night, I think. 0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:40.840 I was one of those people that felt I had 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:43.960 gone out there and put it all on the line 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:48.160 and leaving the comfort of my home and leaving my 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:50.400 children to go knock on doors. 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.960 But I'm even more so fired up, and I. 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.040 Think even though I work in the field of criminal 0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.759 justice and police accountability, I'm. 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:01.400 All hands on deck. Still. What I will say, I 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.160 think that we all. 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.600 An immense gratitude to black women as a Latina and 0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.600 being a friend of yours and a sister of yours, 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.040 and even growing up in a Chicano Black community. Black 0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:16.239 people have always paved the way for those of us 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.959 that have been in this community, and so I'm really 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:23.799 grateful for that. And like Linda said, it's okay to 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.479 feel the way that you do. But I will say 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.880 for you, Tamika, I know you don't stop because I 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.200 know your heart and I know that everything really affects 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:35.120 you and everybody's. 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:36.920 Reaching out to you for answers. 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:38.839 And I hope that you do get the rest that 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:41.720 you deserve, that you do get the protection that you deserve, 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.640 because it is difficult as and I know we're going 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.640 to be talking about the Women's March, but what we've 0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:53.040 been through together and also separate, has really done. 0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:55.720 Something to us. It was damaging, Yeah, to us, it 0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:56.680 was in a lot of ways. 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:57.200 Yeah. 0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.319 I was having a conversation with somebody today and we 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:04.920 were talking about a woman who has a very powerful 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.640 position in the movement. And I'll just leave it there 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:10.279 because if I say you know what they what their 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.919 power is, it'll be given away and that person has 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:18.719 said very nasty things about me, and they all of 0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:21.759 a sudden called me one day like, hey, Okay, you know, 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.520 I know that stuff happened, but now I want you 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:26.600 to help me do something different. 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.799 And I think God probably wanted me. 0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:34.319 To do it because it probably probably would have been 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:35.839 the right thing to do. 0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:37.440 But then I forgot. 0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:38.640 So I'm like, God, if you wanted me to do 0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.440 it, you should have put it back on my mind because 0:38:40.840 --> 0:38:43.200 I forgot, Like you were supposed to remind me. A 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:46.400 few days later, I've totally you know, the text messages 0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:49.399 and the emails come through like wildfire. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.680 So I forgot. I literally forgot until today. 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.240 I was having a conversation with another person who's going 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.080 through some stuff and just feeling like people beating them 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.520 up while they're trying to do the right thing, and 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:03.680 I was like, let me just tell you this story. 0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.040 So I'm tell them about this other thing. 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.120 But despite whatever God may or may not have wanted 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.359 me to do, hopefully give me another opportunity to get 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.200 it right. I was saying that it wasn't that what 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:20.120 they did just hurt my feelings. It was reputational damage 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.240 that was caused as well, because people around the world 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.600 who may not have come back for my response or 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.400 for the second half of the show only heard the 0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.840 first part, which was that I did X y Z 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.440 thing to hurt them that wasn't true. And I just 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.520 find it really difficult to see how people will approach 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.680 you as if something didn't happen, like you said you 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.279 were talking about this last week entitlement and won't even. 0:39:46.040 --> 0:39:47.600 Say I'm sorry. 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.400 And no one has apologized to us, No one, no, no, 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:53.719 what we've been through. 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.480 No no, So you know what it is for me 0:39:57.160 --> 0:39:59.319 just watching just knowing the love that we have. People 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.800 don't understand it. We have a lot of contentious conversations 0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:05.239 all the time, like everything is just not peaches, and 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:12.759 sometimes we disagree about that is an understatement, you like, 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.319 really like, you know, so when we look at all 0:40:15.360 --> 0:40:18.440 of our communities in this moment, we're all facing a 0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.840 lot of different things. Right when we look at the 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.600 election and we look at the presidency, we look at 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:27.880 we look at mass deportation, we look at immigration that 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:31.040 that's going to affect Carmen. We look at the genocide 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.479 going on in Gaza, right, we look at black women 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:37.000 feeling like this was their opportunity to be in a 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.920 position of power and feeling betrayed. And each one of 0:40:39.960 --> 0:40:43.719 those things has a place right and each one of 0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:46.640 those things had an intersection, especially in this moment, that 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:49.440 everybody had their point of view it and it was 0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:52.720 contentious conversations to have to be able to say, hey, listen, 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.200 I can't support the genocide. I don't care who's what 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:57.640 administration it is. Right. Then there was a then it 0:40:57.719 --> 0:40:59.480 was black women like, listen, we're gonna have to figure 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:01.440 this out because because I believe the black women is 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.440 gonna figure this out and we're gonna let us get 0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.919 to there. And then it was those conversations where it 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:10.719 was button heads like and those things still exist, right, 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.359 So that's why it's hard for us to move. So 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.560 how what is that process like? Because when you have 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.960 a conversation with black women and they know that Linda 0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:20.480 is one of your best friends, and then you like, 0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.520 we're gonna keep fighting, they're like, well, the Muslim lady said, 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:25.759 and the Palastinian said, they wasn't doing all this, so 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:27.520 I hear you, and you can go do that, but 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:30.080 I can't do that. Or you know, the people said 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:35.640 immigration that you know the the Hispanics voted this way, 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.400 and I know calm in and I know y'all love 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.279 these people, but you can do that by yourself. Like, 0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.000 how does that conversation? 0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:45.160 Well, I just would say one thing on that. Every 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.840 single person that I've talked to who has said things 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.720 to me like so and so could be on fire before. 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:54.520 I mean they are when I say her and feeling betrayed. 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:55.279 Its deep. 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:59.600 The conversations are tough like and like I said, some 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.759 days I have the energy. Other days I just sit 0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.439 and listen. And some things I just cry because I 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:10.239 know that that that feeling. I'm not even judging them 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.279 for it, but I know that they must be going 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:17.319 through some deep hurt to feel that that strongly that 0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.680 I wouldn't even piss on such and such if they 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:23.000 was dying, they was on fire like this, that's a 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.880 lot of energy. But every single time they go. But 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.120 I still love Linda, So you know, they all say 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.120 that they like but Linda, she's still invited to the barbecue, 0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.840 but she better not bring anybody from her community with 0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.279 her right now. And that's just a real thing. And 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.759 we talk about it. We talk about it. I don't 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:44.440 I don't I don't hide it. I might not say, oh, 0:42:44.480 --> 0:42:47.840 it's this person and this person, because your memory bank 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.520 can't let go of things that you know. So if 0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.160 you if I tell you, well, you know, Tutu's the 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.640 one who said it, you may get past it, but 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.879 your memory bank will always hold that this is how 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.640 this person fell when you were in the midst of 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:05.160 a genocide. Right, So I may not say that because 0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:10.200 that person don't mean That's the thing. People feel like 0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:13.439 they mean it, they really really feel like they mean 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:17.840 it until the deportations are happening and it's going on 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:21.800 in your community as well, and then some black person 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:23.000 is caught up in the middle of it. 0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:24.320 Because when ICE is moving. 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.080 That was the reason why we fought so hard against 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.720 ICE some time ago. I don't even know that wasn't 0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:33.560 even in the Obama administration. That was I mean in 0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:38.400 the Trump it was no, no, no, no no. Obama 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:42.360 administration at that time, he had deported more immigrants than 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.839 any other administration. Right in the Obama administration, we were 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:50.480 in a full blown fight. During that time, I was 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:55.440 working at National Action Network and other coalitions to come together, 0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.600 not so much because I won't I don't want to 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.080 speak on behalf of anybody else's organization. But my recollection 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.719 wasn't even the deportations, which was horrible, but it was 0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:09.200 also the use of ice and the way in which 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:12.880 ice was entering our community. It was putting black folks 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.799 in danger as well. And so people who believe that 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.799 you can separate yourself from these issues, I'm not even 0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.239 gonna argue with you. I just know you're gonna see 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.160 it and say wait a minute, because you must think 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:28.359 that they know the particular zip code address and they're 0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:32.120 gonna just be precise with rolling up on Wan Carlo. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:33.680 That's not how it works. 0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.520 And even some of the laws are arbitrary, like for example, 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.279 you know CBP, which is Customs of Border Patrol, can 0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.839 operate one hundred miles from the border, right, so when 0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:44.640 you talk in the northern border, that's the whole state 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:45.120 of Michigan. 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:47.640 So if you in Detroit, you part of one hundred miles. 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.880 And as we know, and you remember this during the 0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:53.280 Biden administration, when we rolled up to Del Rio in Texas, 0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.560 the migrants that were there were not Latinos or Central Americans. 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.480 They were in fact as black as black and being 0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:02.600 they were mostly Haitians, a lot of Panamanians, people who 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.120 are very dark skinned, who if we're walking around the 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.560 streets of Brooklyn or the streets of Harlem, you really 0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:09.640 wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they were 0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:14.200 African American or African or a Caribbean, and whether or 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.080 not they were US citizens or not, Like you wouldn't 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.160 be able to tell that just by looking at them. 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.000 And so we went down there, and you know, and 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:24.080 the thing that I think is important at that time 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:26.920 also another reflection that I have about our movements is 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.799 something I've held with me. If you remember that time 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.520 when we went to Del Rio, Texas black migrants. 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.839 I remember I looked around, where were the people? We 0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.440 were the only ones out there? It was us. 0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:43.680 It was Girleen Joseph from Haitian Bridge Alliance with like 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.080 two of her staff. I remember, there was another two 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.120 people from Alita Garcia who's a friend of ours. 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:51.400 Her team were out there. 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:53.680 And national actually that work was there the day before. 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:58.360 But from a movement from an image, yeah perspective, the 0:45:58.400 --> 0:45:59.920 people weren't outside. 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:03.800 But that's how people feel about our movements, like people 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.880 feel like when black folks are killed. And I have 0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.359 to always run because, as my son said, we do 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:12.520 have contentious conversation. We was having one the other day 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:15.399 on text message. Everybody's going back about back and forth 0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:19.040 about how we feel and people black folks feel like. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:21.920 I think this is also what they're responding to, is 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.719 something that has been tucked away in their pocket that 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:28.400 they never felt like anybody else really cares about our issues. 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.640 Seeing you and maybe ten people who look like you 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:35.080 at a rally, even a hundred people who look like 0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:39.480 you at a rally, seeing you, know, not understanding the shades, 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:44.680 the different physical shades of black people, so Afro Latino 0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:48.000 and all of the different groups, not knowing that and 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.680 just looking for the light skin like close to white 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:55.080 skin individuals in the midst of a rally you may 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:57.000 or may not ever find them. In fact, they are 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.480 more white people that show up for black folks, which 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:01.840 they should a data cause of the problem, or at 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.239 least their their lineage. 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:05.560 Is the cause of the problem. 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:10.120 But people feel like, we don't see any other community anyway, 0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:13.880 So why is it that we have the key showing 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.000 up and that I think that's a part of it. 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:18.920 They just pulling out the handkerchief that's been stuck in 0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:21.839 their pocket. Like you know, now I'm raised and I'm 0:47:21.960 --> 0:47:24.719 swinging afect. Excuse me, what is it called when you 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:29.760 flo flag? But it's something anyway, waving the flag. 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.960 I think what's really interesting about what we're all talking 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.040 about is that there are different shades of folks. 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:35.279 Right. 0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.759 When I went to the border with you, we were 0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:39.120 in Alfaso. 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.439 And I ended up going to Gattis to go visit 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:45.080 one of my aunts, and my aunt was housing Afro Cubans, 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.399 so it was actually black women in her home who 0:47:48.480 --> 0:47:53.640 she was providing you know, mutual aid for. And when 0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.680 I think about that, like we just had gone to 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:57.360 the border, and I was like, I have the luxury 0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:00.120 of them going and crossing and meeting the people that 0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.120 are being impacted by this. And then you know, and 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:05.279 then I think about the criminal legal system, like my 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.960 fight has always been because when I go into the prisons, 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:10.759 it's black and brown folks, right, and we use black 0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.640 and brown as a talking point. Meanwhile, there aren't a 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:17.840 lot of Latinos that are sitting in leadership when it 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:22.040 comes to the criminal legal system right movement. But what 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:25.360 I also will say is recently working on a project 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:29.600 called the Latine Police Accountability Network. We were looking at 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:35.160 state sanctioned violence and policing and the parallels between I 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:38.560 would say Chicano's Mexicans and African Americans and the lynchings 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.520 that have happened, right. But what happens is that we're 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:44.719 not able to continuously tell that story. There's no real 0:48:44.760 --> 0:48:48.719 books that allow us as Latinos to see what has 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:51.120 happened in our community. And so we start a movement, 0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:53.080 will be in it for twenty years, and then we 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.520 focus on immigration. And a lot of it has to 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:59.200 do with where the funding comes from. Right, So foundations 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.880 are pitying Latinos in one category. And I remember going 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:06.920 to a solidarity summit and one of the foundation women 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.399 was like, Oh, Carmen, what you know, So. 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:12.880 What immigration organization do you work for? And I was like, 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:13.520 I don't. 0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.600 I work on criminal justice because on my Chicano side, 0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.080 my family has been impacted by incarceration. 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.200 But what we found was that people like a zeal. 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.840 Ford Filando Castile, we're all Afro Mexicanos, right or Afro 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.080 Puerto Ricans, and we need to do better when it 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.399 comes to our solidarity. And I know folks are saying, 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:35.400 you know, f solidarity, like we're tired, We're tired of 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.279 asking you to show up for us. But I know 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:40.360 for me, I try to organize within the Latino community 0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.600 to educate them about the parallels, to educate them that 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:48.000 this is our issue too, and to disrupt this linear 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.239 issue area that we keep getting funneled into, because not 0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.120 all of us are impacted by that. Like when you're 0:49:55.160 --> 0:49:59.320 talking about this policy that is coming up on mass deportations, 0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:01.799 in the first first hundred hours, we're not talking about 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:02.719 the first hundred days. 0:50:02.719 --> 0:50:04.000 We're talking about the first. 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:04.720 One hundred hours. 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:09.160 Educate they're going to be doing mass deportation and it's 0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.399 going to include citizens. In nineteen twenty nine, the Repatriation 0:50:12.640 --> 0:50:16.360 Act deported my Chicano family that was from here before 0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.880 it became the United States. They were sent to a 0:50:19.000 --> 0:50:21.399 country they had never been to. They had never been 0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.440 to the other side of the border. And what that 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.880 did to my family. It took away our land, it 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.520 took away our business, and empovered my family. My Chicano 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.040 family comes back to the United States. My dad can't 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:36.320 even cross the border legally because he has no documentation 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:38.600 that he was born in the United States, so he 0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:43.080 had across the river grand and unfortunately my family faced 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.480 extreme poverty because of that. But there were two point 0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:51.640 one million citizens that were deported under the repatrioti Repatriation 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:56.239 Act because of the scapegoating of white people who said 0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.799 that Mexicans were taking their jobs right and there was 0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.400 no due process. We also know operation what back happened 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:05.840 in the nineteen fifties. I think you recently posted something 0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:10.200 about that. Again, mass deportations without any due process that 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:13.920 continues to sweep up citizens of the United States. And 0:51:13.960 --> 0:51:16.879 so if you don't think it impacts you, if you think, well, 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.520 I'm born here, my grandmother's born here, my mother's born 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:20.240 you're wrong. 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:21.680 It's going to impact you. 0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:25.160 And it also, like you said, people don't know your citizenship, 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.000 so they don't need to have a due process. They're 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.840 going to continue to funnel back folks and they're deporting. 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:32.200 Them to Mexico. 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:35.719 Mexico has been trying to work with the United States 0:51:36.000 --> 0:51:39.000 in order to make sure that they have the capacity 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.160 to receive the people that are trying to come through 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:44.360 the through Mexico into the US, but the US doesn't 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:47.480 want to work with them. There's just so much education 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.560 that really need to do, and I think there's an 0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:54.600 opportunity for us. Like I said, for me, I'm looking 0:51:54.640 --> 0:51:58.800 at pivoting, especially because I know that if it doesn't 0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:01.080 personally affect me, it's going to personally affects something that 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:02.080 I love and that I know. 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:05.640 Right, And so I'm all hands on, I think, and 0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:07.360 everything that Carmen said, And I think it's again the 0:52:07.480 --> 0:52:10.760 lack of knowledge and people understanding history that that sometimes 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:12.920 we don't think a country's capable of something if you 0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:13.560 don't know that they. 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:14.279 Actually did it before. 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:16.759 Yeah, but I will say this, you know, absolutely people 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.160 are gonna get caught up in it. They're gonna lots 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:22.439 of legal You're gonna need lawyers, you know, again, having 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.759 to prove your citizenship because your burden of proof is 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:25.960 on you, not on the government. 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:28.600 May they carrying your passport. You think that's going to. 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:29.600 Be a thing. That might be a thing. 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.240 I mean, you know me, I've been carried since seven 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.200 since twenty seventeen. 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:36.399 That passport. I literally got it in my bag right now. 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.640 But what I will say to folks, and I hope 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.680 that we get to this place, maybe it won't affect you, 0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.120 but it's still wrong. And I want people to get 0:52:45.120 --> 0:52:48.000 to the point in life where if you're sitting at 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.480 home and you watch your undocumented neighbors being stripped from 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.080 their children, or you watch ice vands raiding a community, 0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.799 or street vendors in the street, or the local you know, 0:52:57.040 --> 0:53:00.520 deli or the supermarket where some of these undocumented people are, 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:02.279 I just want you to be like, no, this is 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.680 not okay. I don't care if you have impacted or not. 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:06.960 You might be impacted, but you might not be and 0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.439 that still makes the thing wrong. And what I will 0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:12.000 say to Meka, we have to sometimes tell the truth. 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:14.360 And this is why I love watching your podcast and 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:16.200 you and Mices, because you just say what needs to 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:20.200 be said, and it's gonna lay wherever it lays. The 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.359 bottom line is true. Our community's got to do better 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:25.560 at solidarity. That's just the bottom line. Like I'm not 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:28.239 going to sit here and say that. You know, Arab 0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:32.240 American or Palestinian American communities have done this like massive 0:53:32.280 --> 0:53:33.960 wave of solidarity. 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:33.839 Over the years. 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:36.080 Yes, of course there are key Palestinian Americans in this 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.880 country who are outside been outside. There is a long 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.520 trajectory and history of Black Palestinian solidarity that dates back 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:46.280 to even before the Malcolm x'es and the Black Panther Party. 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:48.960 But the bottom line is that's just key individuals that 0:53:48.960 --> 0:53:51.520 you could pout to say that our entire communities are 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:53.480 coming out and the droves to stand with black people. 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:54.360 It's not true. 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:56.000 And that's a lot of work that we got to 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:57.960 do on our part. And I will also say, you know, 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.680 as you know in the Muslim community, you know many 0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:03.800 of them, A third of Muslim Americans are African American, 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:06.719 They're black people. And so this idea that the Muslims 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.319 are the quote like you said, the light skin or 0:54:09.320 --> 0:54:12.480 the Arab or the South Asian, No, a third of 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.080 our my community is your community. Those are your people too, 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:16.799 because they also have to figure out how to be 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:19.560 black and Muslim in America. And the solidarity is also 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:22.319 sometimes not there within our own community. And so I 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:24.719 just want people to know if you're not in the community, 0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:27.360 I'm letting you know this is the hard conversations that 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:29.279 we have within our own community. We got to step 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:32.120 up better for each other first within our Muslim community. 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:34.520 That then helps us develop the type of solidarity that 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.560 we can give to folks that are not exactly from 0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:38.880 our Muslim communities. But it's a struggle, and I've been 0:54:38.920 --> 0:54:40.640 struggling with it for twenty five years. 0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:43.800 It really is. It's really a struggle, and I didn't 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:47.160 see it until this moment, right because I've seen it 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.320 during the Woman's March, and I know it for y'all, 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:51.839 especially like I watched Tamika have to deal with it 0:54:51.880 --> 0:54:56.960 a lot, right because every time she does intersectionality work, 0:54:57.719 --> 0:55:01.000 black women say what are you doing? Right? Every time 0:55:01.400 --> 0:55:04.759 the Women's March, right when everything started to me, it 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:06.799 was the first one targeting black women said, I told 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:09.040 you not to do this. Right when we look at 0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:12.920 this this election, and black women are saying, look again, 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:18.080 you still out there. But you know what I'm saying. 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:21.319 And the reality is, I understand everybody's point of view, 0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.640 but I do I understand that the Palacinians said, well, listen, 0:55:24.680 --> 0:55:27.560 I understand that's a black woman, but this person is 0:55:27.560 --> 0:55:31.000 complicit in genocide. And I can't. I can't say, I 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.520 can't of sound mind for my people and my own 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:36.120 sanity say that I'm just gonna overlook that because of 0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.439 the black woman. As much as I love you, and 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:42.439 that's what I'm saying. So I understand everybody's point of view. 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:46.040 I understand that everything is true, just like I understand 0:55:46.280 --> 0:55:49.239 that I don't really understand that the Latino men that 0:55:49.600 --> 0:55:52.200 Trump because I just think that's just a misogynistic bullshit. 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:54.920 But but but it's a reality because some of them 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:57.160 is thinking about their pockets, they thinking, some of them 0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:59.839 think that they have proximity to whiteness. Whatever it is. 0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:03.640 This is damn reality, and what it forces us to 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:07.399 do as real leadership, right is we have to take 0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:10.840 our personal emotions out and lead with the reality that 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.040 we actually have to deal with. And that's what it's 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:14.920 forced me to do because I'm not gonna lie. I 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.440 I've been pissed off for a couple like I checked out, Like, Yo, 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:21.479 you know what, I don't think this. I just don't 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:23.600 think this is it. I just don't see it. I 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.440 don't feel that. I don't have the energy. And then 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:27.839 I have to say, that's not really leadership, right, It's 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.200 not really leadership to say because it don't go the 0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.279 way I wanted to or doesn't go the way I 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.640 think it should go, that I should just lead. So 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:37.800 I have to understand everybody's perspective, and I have to 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:40.080 figure out a way to relay it to other people 0:56:40.080 --> 0:56:42.480 who might not get it right and show and lead 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:46.120 through example and say, despite what you might think is 0:56:46.160 --> 0:56:48.400 going on, despite how we might feel at this moment, 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.600 the only way that we actually can win is actually 0:56:51.680 --> 0:56:54.359 do this together. It's no other way. And they know 0:56:54.480 --> 0:56:58.680 that they understand. By dividing us and disenfranchising us, this 0:56:58.719 --> 0:57:00.360 is what they've done all the time. And I was 0:57:00.400 --> 0:57:02.520 having this conversation and you kind of brought me back 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.279 to it because I was like, I don't see it work. 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:06.839 I just don't see us doing this. I think right now, 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:09.879 what they're trying to do is disenfranchise a movement they watch. 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.400 Even even though the Democratic Party has a lot of bullshit, 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.640 it's not destroy the Democratic Party, right because there's so 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:20.440 many We have Blacks, we have Latinos, we have Palacenians, 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.440 we have muslim we have all of the shit in here. 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:24.560 We just gotta figure out how do we make it 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:25.480 move the way we. 0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:28.840 Want, right, because this is what leadership, that's what it is. 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.560 It's like, Yo, I'm not gonna leave my foundation. They said, Yo, 0:57:31.600 --> 0:57:33.080 we need to all go be repulbed. Why the fuck 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.480 would I go somewhere where it's only five people that look. 0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:37.760 Like me and they value none of. 0:57:37.720 --> 0:57:40.960 This fit me? Why would I move my whole town 0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:43.840 to go. No, I'm gonna fix my town up because 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:45.840 this is where our found that we built this ship, 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:47.800 and they know that we built it, and they seen 0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:49.400 it and they said, we just gotta fit. We gotta 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:51.600 divide this ship. And it's just like black Walls. It's 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:55.000 the same. It's the same strategy and tactic. They blew 0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:56.400 it up last time. They just blew it up. They 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:58.800 timp bombs. Did y'all building too much here? We're just 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.840 gonna blow it up. They did the same thing even 0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:04.120 when we was when they say the Republican Party was 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.280 for blacks. Before they made us say okay, we're not 0:58:06.320 --> 0:58:07.880 doing that shit no more, and we switch a part. 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:10.400 And what they keep doing is making us switch and 0:58:10.480 --> 0:58:12.600 have to migrate to different ship when we gotta be 0:58:12.640 --> 0:58:15.600 strategic enough to say, nah, I'm not switching. I got 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:17.920 we got this. We're gonna build. We're gonna build this 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:20.960 shit right. We're not leaving our people. We're not leaving 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.240 the ship we built because it didn't go right for us? 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.440 What's hill? So this is the moment for us to 0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:28.200 be strategic to understand what our enemy is doing. They 0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.320 want you to believe when I sit there and say, Okay, 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.480 we got sixty we just got sixty one black people 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.480 on the judges that just got put into it, and 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:38.400 who gives a fuck about that? We don't care about that. No, 0:58:38.480 --> 0:58:41.320 we do. We actually these things are very important. When 0:58:41.320 --> 0:58:43.520 I'm sitting there talking about but we got democrats. I 0:58:43.560 --> 0:58:46.280 got over three hundred people that's elected that I know. 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:48.760 I know about fifty elected officials that I can go 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.680 to and you can come to me because I'm in 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.440 your community and I can go to them and we 0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:55.680 can actually make change. I'm not gonna leave that because 0:58:55.720 --> 0:58:58.520 it didn't go right for me. 0:58:57.000 --> 0:59:02.000 I mean, but I am interested in what it looks like. 0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:05.160 I do think and Angelo said this the other day 0:59:05.400 --> 0:59:08.880 that black people have to be able to build because 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.840 if what we say is true, that black folks will 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:16.240 not that other communities cannot get free until black people 0:59:16.320 --> 0:59:18.400 are free. That means that there has to be some 0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:21.800 real intentionality around black people getting free, because we can't 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:26.480 as long as our foundation is shaky, then then no 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:30.080 one else will be able to be whole if you will, right, 0:59:30.440 --> 0:59:33.320 And so there has to be some intentionality. I think 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.760 that black people are in a position many of us 0:59:37.840 --> 0:59:39.760 who are on the same page, there are others who 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.960 are not to build something that allows us to have 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:48.800 political leverage. Right, Like, I'm still I still don't know 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.560 that we're at then. I don't think I'm saying anything 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:54.920 different from you. I'm just adding I think that we 0:59:55.040 --> 1:00:01.200 may still choose to vote Democrat, workers, family Party, whatever 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:05.000 those things are, but we still need an organizing base, 1:00:05.480 --> 1:00:08.800 right So, the Black Party or whatever people want to 1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:12.560 call it, you still need an organizing base, a place 1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.320 where we can get ourselves together so that we can 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.320 set the tone for what is happening inside the party 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:22.000 or which whoever we decide to vote for. Right now, 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.960 it's not that I think we're and this is something 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:28.680 that people may not be able to articulate properly, but 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:32.200 it is something they are feeling that we're so mixed 1:00:32.240 --> 1:00:35.720 with so much that therefore is chaotic. 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.000 That's right, because the Democratic. 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:40.960 Party is a little chaotic, it's a lot chaotic, right, 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:42.000 I will say. 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:43.920 I mean you started the show with this, and my 1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:45.760 song was trying to take us here, and I actually 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:47.520 think that it goes with what you're saying. 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:49.800 So we could get into the elephant in the room conversation. 1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:51.760 Well, I want to say one thing before you go 1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:54.200 to that, but go ahead and then you go into 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:59.640 the Okay, let me say what upsets me is not 1:01:00.400 --> 1:01:03.240 people who didn't vote for a Kamala or that voted 1:01:03.280 --> 1:01:07.479 for Donald Trump because they were upset about Gaza. It's 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:11.320 not people who say they are dealing with economic challenges 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:16.040 and perhaps being closer or having proximity to Trump and 1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:19.120 what they believe to be money in power might make 1:01:19.160 --> 1:01:22.480 it better for them. Their economy was different or better 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:25.200 during the pandemic when their grandmother was dying in order 1:01:25.200 --> 1:01:27.000 for them to get the twelve hundred dollars check. But 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:31.480 that's going down in the rabbit home. What I'm upset 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:35.440 about and what I have to get past in terms 1:01:35.480 --> 1:01:39.560 of what's giving me a emotional block for being in 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:44.160 coalition with anybody, is that I know that many Arab men, 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:50.240 Latino men, and Black men and others who chose not 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:52.880 to vote for a Kamala or voted for Donald Trump 1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:56.840 did it because they don't like black women. That for me, 1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:02.000 the massogyny is more danger to me then people who 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:06.400 made a decision based upon their pockets or their political 1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:10.680 views or their morals or whatever. That part I can 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:14.720 work on, right, But there's no way that I can 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:18.480 get past the idea that you would look at this 1:02:18.520 --> 1:02:20.280 woman who's highly qualified. 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:22.160 Know it in your mind too. 1:02:22.200 --> 1:02:24.120 It's not that you don't know it, but you know it, 1:02:24.160 --> 1:02:28.600 you acknowledge it, but refuse because you just can't. Your 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:33.840 racism and your sexism, even more than racism, says that 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:36.760 you cannot vote for a woman, because that right there 1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:38.960 is not just about Kamala Harris. 1:02:39.000 --> 1:02:40.760 It's about me, and. 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:45.200 That becomes way more personal to me than just not 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:49.200 voting for somebody because of genocide, which is obviously important, 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:53.040 or these other things are important. We were talking, we 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.240 debated about this the other day. Eggs and milk and bread, 1:02:56.280 --> 1:03:00.520 that's important. Gas is important, you know, well, all these 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.760 things important. People feeling like in their community they have immigrants, 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.720 there are migrants there who have harmed them. 1:03:07.840 --> 1:03:10.040 That's important. Safety is important. 1:03:10.320 --> 1:03:13.040 But just making a decision that she as a woman, 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:16.200 you can call her names and disrespect her and all 1:03:16.240 --> 1:03:16.560 of that. 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:17.640 That for me, I can't get with. 1:03:18.080 --> 1:03:22.080 But I think my personal position in this is that 1:03:22.320 --> 1:03:24.720 all of those things feed into the same thing, right, 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:28.960 Because when you're having a conversation and somebody is explaining 1:03:29.040 --> 1:03:31.640 to you that Donald Trump is better for the economy, 1:03:32.000 --> 1:03:35.320 that's not factual, right, It's never been factual that the 1:03:35.400 --> 1:03:37.800 facts that tell you that that's not true. When you 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:40.200 having a conversation they say that immigrants are killing people 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:42.120 in the hood. I've been living in the hood. Those 1:03:42.160 --> 1:03:44.600 things aren't really happening, right, So what I'm trying to 1:03:44.600 --> 1:03:47.880 say it feeds in to the narrative of the racism 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:50.280 and the sexist anyway, because they want to believe that 1:03:50.320 --> 1:03:53.360 shit anyway so that they can justify everything else. Because 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:55.760 when you have conversations with the average person that said that, 1:03:55.800 --> 1:03:57.920 because there's very few, there might be a couple that 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:01.160 actually say, Okay, these things right, here are things that 1:04:01.440 --> 1:04:04.440 I believe, and they come with opinion based on facts 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.840 and they've done some research. But the average person that 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:08.880 says it, I'm saying, where do you get that from? 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.120 What information proves that? Because nine out of ten people 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:14.040 say that Donald Trump is not gonna be better for 1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.600 the economy, right, where do you get the information from 1:04:16.600 --> 1:04:19.640 what community are you from where the immigrants or the 1:04:19.680 --> 1:04:21.960 migrants are coming in there taking jobs or killing and 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:25.400 raven people. Where is this actually happening? And they don't 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:28.560 have any facts to support those things. So most of 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:32.040 these people just using these same talking points to justify 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:34.440 the old bias that they have inside themselves. 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.000 Absolutely, and that's that's what we were seeing in the 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.160 Latino community, is that a lot of the men were 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:43.120 repeating Fox News talking points, which is an opinion news, right. 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:46.160 We were hearing things like you know, and I've seen 1:04:46.200 --> 1:04:48.840 it when I was watching football Monday night football, there 1:04:48.840 --> 1:04:54.880 were advertisements about trans kids, that Kamala was converting children 1:04:55.280 --> 1:04:58.960 and elementary into trans you know, there was just all 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:01.720 this stuff and all the these advertisements were being paid 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:05.960 by Trump and people started repeating it or yes, and 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:08.840 you know, people who were undecided were saying to me, 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:13.080 we're doing research, you know, to see if she's qualified. 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:15.760 And she they would say to me, you know, under 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:20.240 her current administration, under her leadership, they've allowed eleven million 1:05:20.600 --> 1:05:23.560 immigrants to come here and kill and rape people. I'm 1:05:23.680 --> 1:05:26.520 just kind of like, I was so appalled, but it's 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:27.880 exactly to your point. 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:28.240 Right. 1:05:28.360 --> 1:05:31.880 One. We can't dismiss what Tonika saying is that there 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:36.040 is racism, there's sexism. We're not ready for a woman president, 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:38.840 particularly a black women president, right and there is a 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.000 lot of anti blackness in these communities. 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:43.760 And the fact that a lot of the people who. 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:46.440 We were knocking on doors are talking to were repeating 1:05:46.480 --> 1:05:48.360 the same things that Fox News. 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:50.000 And it's because it's on a cycle. 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:52.320 If you turn on your TV, the first channel that 1:05:52.400 --> 1:05:54.720 it goes to is Fox, you kind of stay there 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:57.520 because it's you know, it's compelling. 1:05:57.720 --> 1:06:01.000 But if you don't know this information, you're gonna keep 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:02.440 repeating it and keep believing it. 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:02.960 Mm hmm. 1:06:04.040 --> 1:06:05.840 Y all made the very points that I wanted to make. 1:06:05.960 --> 1:06:07.840 So I'm going to move us along here on my 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:10.360 you know, one thing that I'll say before I get 1:06:10.400 --> 1:06:11.720 us into the elephant in the room, because I think 1:06:11.760 --> 1:06:13.360 a lot of people are trying to figure out what 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.240 to do. And as we kind of move into the 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:17.840 new administration, I mean, January is right around the corner. 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.200 We're going to close our eyes and open them. It's 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:22.840 going to be January twentieth, which will be the day 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:26.400 that Donald Trump will be inaugurated against in the White House. 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:28.480 But before I get to that, I wanted to share 1:06:28.520 --> 1:06:33.280 something that doctor John Powell, who is the leader of 1:06:33.320 --> 1:06:38.320 the Othering and Belonging Institute in California, who's someone that 1:06:38.360 --> 1:06:40.600 I'm in a cohort with, and me and him go 1:06:40.640 --> 1:06:42.160 back and forth all the time. I'm kind of like 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:45.120 a little more hot headed, a little younger, you know, 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:47.040 And me and him for many years have went back 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.520 and forth on this idea of like righteous rage and 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:52.000 what does it look like in the movement and when 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:53.800 do we get to the point where we really start 1:06:54.080 --> 1:06:56.560 being a little quiet and listening to the people around us, 1:06:56.560 --> 1:06:59.320 even those that we don't agree with. And this election 1:06:59.440 --> 1:07:01.240 kind of re affirmed what he had said to me 1:07:01.320 --> 1:07:03.640 many times before, where he says, let's be soft on 1:07:03.720 --> 1:07:06.680 people and hard on systems. And I think what his 1:07:06.800 --> 1:07:08.640 point is to say is, like, even the people you're 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:12.400 talking about, the Latino men, the black men, the Muslim 1:07:12.400 --> 1:07:15.760 men in our communities, those that we believed were part 1:07:15.800 --> 1:07:18.480 of our coalition who kind of walked away from us. 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:22.080 The question is why is it about them personally? Is 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:24.600 that really the conversation or is there something more deeply 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:27.320 systematic that caused those people to believe that we were 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:29.360 not the party for them, or that our movements were 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:31.680 not for them. Is there something about what they were 1:07:31.720 --> 1:07:36.200 saying that we didn't take seriously where they really had 1:07:36.440 --> 1:07:39.720 deep concerns, some of it that comes from the misinformation 1:07:39.760 --> 1:07:41.400 and disinformation campaigns, But. 1:07:41.360 --> 1:07:44.000 We never leaned in. We were more like you just ignorant, 1:07:44.040 --> 1:07:45.280 You just don't know what you're talking about. 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:45.360 Man. 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:46.680 Maybe there was something deeper there. 1:07:46.960 --> 1:07:49.400 And I think doctor John Powell's point is to say, 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:51.080 sometimes you just got to lean in and listen. You 1:07:51.080 --> 1:07:52.960 don't got to agree with people, but you got to 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:55.280 hear where they're coming from, because everybody comes from somewhere, 1:07:55.400 --> 1:07:57.640 and positions come from somewhere. And so I wanted to 1:07:57.640 --> 1:07:59.200 say that because I think it's been something that has 1:07:59.280 --> 1:08:01.280 been very compelled for me, and I've really been leaning 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:03.840 in and been listening to people in my own community, 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:06.040 like let's talk about it, like what happened, Like what's this? 1:08:06.200 --> 1:08:08.600 Let's talk about the conversations. And there was a lot 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:11.120 of what Carmen talked about, you know, culture wars. The 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:14.600 Republicans were leaning into culture wars. They were, you know, 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:18.240 leveraging sensitivities around social issues. And some of our more 1:08:18.240 --> 1:08:20.200 religious elements of our community. You know this in the 1:08:20.200 --> 1:08:23.160 Black community, this exists as well as in the Muslim community, 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:27.120 around issues of abortion, around the issues of LGBTQIA. Issues 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:28.960 like these are real things that we have to talk 1:08:29.000 --> 1:08:32.960 about within our communities. And so anyhow, and that brings 1:08:33.000 --> 1:08:34.880 me now to you know, where we go from here, 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:36.719 because a lot of people keep, as you know, Tamika, 1:08:36.840 --> 1:08:39.960 calling us, emailing us, you know, asking us all these questions. 1:08:40.000 --> 1:08:42.320 I got the media in my inboxes, as you all 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:42.840 do as well. 1:08:42.960 --> 1:08:45.080 I don't interestingly. 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:46.920 That's why when y'all was talking about it on the 1:08:46.920 --> 1:08:49.880 text thread, I didn't say anything. Nobody from the media 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:51.439 reached out to ask me what I think. 1:08:53.240 --> 1:08:55.200 That lady, they I know. 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:56.720 I'm just telling you I didn't get it. 1:08:56.760 --> 1:08:58.320 I mean, I got a few, and I have chosen 1:08:58.439 --> 1:09:00.800 probably getting them, and she's probably. 1:09:00.520 --> 1:09:01.240 Getting them, exactly. 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:03.000 I mean, I've gotten a few, and of course just 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.400 organizers in general and people that are leaders of some 1:09:05.520 --> 1:09:09.719 organizations around the Women's March which is happening that week 1:09:09.840 --> 1:09:13.720 which weekend, which will be two days before the inauguration 1:09:13.800 --> 1:09:15.880 of Donald Trump, and people keep kind of asking us, 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:17.439 you know, are we involved. 1:09:16.960 --> 1:09:19.400 The first To make it simple, no. 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:22.679 We are not involved in the twenty twenty five Women's March. 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:24.800 Just want to make sure that we put that out there. 1:09:25.600 --> 1:09:27.679 And I think everyone's going to do what everybody wants 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:30.600 to do, and everybody's free to make whatever decision that 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:33.600 they want to make on whether they want to participate 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:36.400 in marches right now or participate in this particular march 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:39.760 that's being dubbed the People's March. And it's interesting enough, 1:09:39.800 --> 1:09:41.760 about a year and a half ago, I already you know, 1:09:42.120 --> 1:09:44.040 we got permits. We have our own permits because we 1:09:44.040 --> 1:09:45.519 didn't know how this was going to go. We didn't 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:48.240 understand where we were going to be. We didn't even 1:09:48.320 --> 1:09:50.519 understand at that time who was going to be the 1:09:50.640 --> 1:09:54.280 Republican nominee. We did this way before it was clear 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:56.320 that Donald Trump was the nominee, and so we. 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:59.160 Had certainly didn't think that Biden was going. 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:00.679 To be out that too. 1:10:01.439 --> 1:10:04.760 We were actually the real perspective that we had was 1:10:04.760 --> 1:10:06.200 that we was going outside for Biden. 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:07.840 Actually we thought we was going to go back. 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:09.519 Outside for him, because you were there for four years 1:10:09.520 --> 1:10:11.639 and now all this is happening. We went to get 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:13.559 those permits believing that we were going to show you 1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:16.080 in your next term, like we are outside all the 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:18.040 way outside right now, because this is going to be 1:10:18.040 --> 1:10:20.160 your second term and you ain't got nothing to lose, 1:10:20.160 --> 1:10:21.080 And that's kind of how we. 1:10:20.960 --> 1:10:21.800 Were thinking about it. 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:24.439 But I just say to people right now, like, as 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:28.080 strategic OG organizers who've been around for a long time, 1:10:28.479 --> 1:10:31.200 people have to understand that the way we organize marches 1:10:31.200 --> 1:10:33.160 and how we think about organizing the things that we 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:35.840 do is based on the political condition we find ourselves in, 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:38.519 and not every minute, and not every month, and not 1:10:38.600 --> 1:10:40.559 every year is the same as the year before that 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:44.880 or the year before that. We have watched violence from people, 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:47.160 not all the people who voted for Donald Trump, but 1:10:47.280 --> 1:10:49.920 elements of the movements that support Donald Trump. And for 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:51.920 me personally, I think about a lot of things with 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:56.479 all these marginalized people, with these threats of deportation, with 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:59.480 the ways in which law enforcement had came out unequivocally 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:01.559 for Donald tr Trump. We know that the unions from 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:04.920 the national to the local unions that endorse Donald Trump, Like, 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:08.280 do you want to bring people in the same weekend 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:10.439 where we know there's going to be an inauguration with 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:13.280 potentially tens of thousands of people who are supporters of 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:17.960 this administrative, this next administration for me personally, in twenty seventeen, 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:20.960 we had no choice. Donald Trump was a new politician. 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.960 We weren't sure yet if he was actually going to 1:11:24.040 --> 1:11:26.479 commit or fulfill the things that he promised. So the 1:11:26.520 --> 1:11:29.200 idea was we going outside, because we want to make 1:11:29.200 --> 1:11:31.120 sure that you know that we're not sitting at home 1:11:31.120 --> 1:11:33.000 and letting you just go outside and do whatever you want. 1:11:33.040 --> 1:11:35.479 Although he did do many of the things that he said, 1:11:35.680 --> 1:11:38.320 So we had to make a point to Donald Trump 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:40.800 and his administration that we were going to make sure 1:11:40.840 --> 1:11:43.840 you know where we stand as a movement. Do we 1:11:43.920 --> 1:11:45.599 got to make that same point again? Do we not 1:11:45.640 --> 1:11:48.559 believe that Donald Trump doesn't think that the movement still 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:51.479 don't agree with the things that he is proposing to do. 1:11:51.960 --> 1:11:53.960 That's kind of where I'm at right now. I think 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:56.479 there's a point that was already made and doesn't have 1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:58.479 to be made at the beginning of his administration. I 1:11:58.520 --> 1:12:02.240 think and Carmen alluded to this earlier. I think where 1:12:02.240 --> 1:12:05.240 I am right now is you got to go internal, 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:07.120 you got to go on the ground, You got to 1:12:07.280 --> 1:12:10.600 be figuring out where do we then start appropriating resources 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.440 to the community organizations that they need the most resources. 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:16.719 How do we develop the deep relationships. 1:12:16.040 --> 1:12:17.800 To try to heal some of what has happened over 1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:19.360 the last few months, because we're going to need each 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:23.479 other to protect our people. What are the mechanisms What 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:26.200 does it look like for us to protect ourselves from 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:29.040 ice raids in our community? Do we need to train 1:12:29.120 --> 1:12:31.479 more people instead of cop watch, ice watch? And there 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:33.240 are people that are already doing that, Like you know 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:36.080 what happens if you're next door building right and you're 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:38.040 in the window and you're watching this whole thing go down? 1:12:38.080 --> 1:12:40.080 What are your rights? Can you come outside? Can you 1:12:40.120 --> 1:12:43.479 record ice agents? What are the repercussions of that? The 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:45.439 other thing that we know is that with this Hr. 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:47.560 Nine four nine five, which people have seen all of 1:12:47.680 --> 1:12:50.360 us talk about, it passed in Congress, it's going to 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:52.400 come up in the next Senate, which remember they have 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:54.960 the Republican Senate, Republican House, and Republican White House. 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:56.719 That's a bill that's going to pass and it's. 1:12:56.560 --> 1:12:59.000 Going to go after organizations who are going to be 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:01.600 in opposition to the administration's agenda. 1:13:01.720 --> 1:13:03.200 So that's something we got to worry about. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:05.519 There's also this other thing that we'll talk about on 1:13:05.560 --> 1:13:09.000 a different show that comes from the Heritage Foundation also 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.960 in some of these other conservative groups called Project Esther 1:13:12.560 --> 1:13:17.000 and Project Esther specifically a project that is going to 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:21.000 focus on, you know, any groups that they believe to 1:13:21.120 --> 1:13:24.000 be supporting quote unquote terrorist organizations, which. 1:13:23.880 --> 1:13:27.599 Is similar to the bill four h nine four nine five. 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:30.040 And the thing that people have to understand about four 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:33.839 hr nine four nine five is that if the government 1:13:33.920 --> 1:13:38.839 says that you are a terrorist supporting organization, remember blacked 1:13:38.880 --> 1:13:42.560 identity extremists, climate people have been called domestic terrorists in 1:13:42.600 --> 1:13:45.000 the past. I mean Cop City people were charged with 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:47.679 reco charges just like a year and a half ago. 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:51.040 So this is real life things that happen. The burden 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:53.080 of proof is on you, not the government. So the 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:55.160 government could just say so and so and so and 1:13:55.200 --> 1:13:58.840 so are terrorist supporting organizations. They're under investigation, we're going 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:02.120 to shut them down and potentially worse charge their leaders 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:07.200 or whatever. Yeah, they don't have to have evidence. Their 1:14:07.240 --> 1:14:09.320 government just could say it. It's just a statement that 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:11.000 it's made, and it is. The burden of proof is 1:14:11.000 --> 1:14:13.360 on us to prove that what the government is saying 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.960 is wrong. And mind you, ninety nine point nine percent 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:18.080 of the organizations and leaders will be able to prove 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.680 that they're not what the government says they are. But 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.000 after how much hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:24.640 services that people are going to have to put up 1:14:24.720 --> 1:14:27.639 lawyers and do all of that, because the in order 1:14:27.680 --> 1:14:30.120 to prove that you are not what the government says you. 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:33.200 Are requires a certain type of lawyer. It can't be like. 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:35.280 Our friend, you know down the block that helps us 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:37.080 every once in a while with some paperwork. You need 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:40.439 national security type folks that know how the government works 1:14:40.439 --> 1:14:43.800 on these materials support to terrorism type of cases. So 1:14:43.920 --> 1:14:46.240 the point is back to the women's arbitrary. 1:14:46.720 --> 1:14:50.040 It's arbitrary and and there's a language in it that 1:14:50.800 --> 1:14:54.439 is not just about terrorism either. So it's it's it's 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:59.680 it's very broad, and it really makes me feel. I 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:02.599 know people are not gonna like this what I'm about 1:15:02.640 --> 1:15:04.880 to say, but it scares me that folks can be 1:15:05.000 --> 1:15:10.000 so clueless to write comments that asks me, well, why 1:15:10.040 --> 1:15:12.519 should we care about it? I mean, if you're supporting 1:15:12.520 --> 1:15:15.639 a terror and they really mean it. If you're supporting 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:18.400 a terrorist organization, then there's something should be done about it. 1:15:18.840 --> 1:15:22.800 Their mind doesn't even expand far enough to understand that 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:25.640 you can be labeled that way whether you're doing it 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:29.880 or not, just because you're dealing with a vindictive presidency 1:15:30.040 --> 1:15:33.439 and government that can choose to say just because you 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:36.240 out here talking about free Palace. First of all, I've 1:15:36.240 --> 1:15:41.040 had people tell me that my clothing a sweatshirt that 1:15:41.120 --> 1:15:44.800 has a watermelon on it, which, by the way, black 1:15:44.800 --> 1:15:47.240 people eat watermelon too, so it might not even manit 1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:48.200 I'm saying free. 1:15:47.960 --> 1:15:50.960 Palestine, but it is. That's what that's what it's for. 1:15:51.520 --> 1:15:55.160 People have said, oh, that scares me, or that makes 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:58.000 me feel like you're saying death to Israelis or to 1:15:58.120 --> 1:16:02.160 Jewish people. Right, so, how they will make the decision 1:16:02.800 --> 1:16:06.160 of who they label one way or the other, it's 1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:09.200 gonna be very much. It's gonna be very broad, right, 1:16:09.240 --> 1:16:14.920 and so you have to expand your thinking beyond believing. 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:17.960 And black folks, a lot of black people suffer with 1:16:18.040 --> 1:16:20.760 this because, you know, especially if you are from a 1:16:20.800 --> 1:16:24.759 family where mother, grandmother, grandfather, whatever, were people who told 1:16:24.800 --> 1:16:27.879 you you do what them folks tell. 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:28.200 You to do. 1:16:29.200 --> 1:16:32.240 Follow the rules are the rules. 1:16:32.520 --> 1:16:35.240 Don't be getting into nothing with mister Johnny them down 1:16:35.280 --> 1:16:39.560 there downtown. You already know they don't like us. You 1:16:39.720 --> 1:16:43.519 too black to go certain places at certain times, and 1:16:43.560 --> 1:16:46.160 it is trauma and fear. That's not who they want 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:49.559 to be, but that's their reality. And so when there 1:16:49.600 --> 1:16:53.120 those are people who pretty much believe whatever they hear 1:16:53.680 --> 1:16:57.040 in the news, on in the newspaper, whatever the media says. 1:16:57.160 --> 1:17:01.600 How people say, they can't be saying. They can't be 1:17:01.720 --> 1:17:05.800 telling you one thing on the news if it's not 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:08.360 really true, that's right, right, Like there's no way they can. 1:17:08.800 --> 1:17:11.479 But also black people are saying that for other good reasons, 1:17:11.560 --> 1:17:13.880 right because they know when these types of laws and 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:16.320 the things that happen, when law enforcement comes, they always 1:17:16.360 --> 1:17:17.240 come for the black people. 1:17:17.320 --> 1:17:20.240 Well no, but I'm talking about people who who are 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:23.479 looking at me. I get those folks who are just like, 1:17:23.640 --> 1:17:29.040 don't just stay out of trouble. But that mindset often always, 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:33.200 i mean often leads to if that's what they said, 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:35.800 then it must be true because they won't lie like 1:17:35.840 --> 1:17:37.320 they just believe, you know. 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:38.759 So I'm saying, I'm. 1:17:38.600 --> 1:17:40.120 Just I'm putting. 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:40.920 All that out there. Let me just say how I 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:42.120 feel about the women's marketing. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:42.880 That's what you say. 1:17:42.920 --> 1:17:44.599 Well, I just want to end my point by saying 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.920 all this that I said is to say that it's 1:17:46.920 --> 1:17:49.560 a dangerous time and we have to be very intentional 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:52.640 about who we're putting outside and how we're bringing marginalized 1:17:52.640 --> 1:17:54.639 people to the street, because at the end of the day, 1:17:54.800 --> 1:17:57.320 as organizers, at least we do feel this way, we're 1:17:57.360 --> 1:17:59.559 responsible for people, and I don't want to be in 1:17:59.600 --> 1:18:01.960 a place responsibility for people's safety. 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:04.720 And also for the government to start deciding. 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:08.120 Now who are the people that are in opposition to yal. 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:12.160 I think that it should be called the women the 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:18.160 white women's March. I think that white women should ask 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:20.840 black and brown women to stand down. 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:24.040 You protect yourself, don't worry about it. 1:18:24.479 --> 1:18:28.160 We're gonna go out here and we're gonna put ourselves 1:18:28.360 --> 1:18:33.000 in harm's way and in danger's eye, and we're gonna 1:18:33.040 --> 1:18:36.000 do the work for at least the next several months, 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.240 at least for the next two years. 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:40.040 I don't know what the time period is. 1:18:40.640 --> 1:18:44.240 And not put black and brown folks and small black 1:18:44.280 --> 1:18:48.960 and brown organizations in harms way. I don't think anybody 1:18:49.000 --> 1:18:52.960 would have been I got people sending me all types 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:55.920 of things. They're sending me letters where they're calling for 1:18:55.960 --> 1:18:58.639 the Women's March not to do this march. I've got 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.559 people sending me petitions, and people will send me all 1:19:01.600 --> 1:19:03.680 types of stuff where they're trying to say that this 1:19:03.720 --> 1:19:09.280 should not happen. I'm saying that it should happen, but 1:19:09.400 --> 1:19:13.679 it should be a c full of white women. Yes, 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:16.519 that's what I think it should be. That's my advice 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:17.120 to the WAU. 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:21.280 I'm so glad we're having this conversation, and I know 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:24.000 we've been texting about different things. And I think, first 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.600 of all, just to reiterate what Linda was saying, we 1:19:26.640 --> 1:19:30.599 are not part of the Women's March, and so I 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:32.840 love all of you who have been reaching out, but 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:33.880 we are not going to be march. 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:36.120 It's been five years. You're telling me people don't pay 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:37.920 attention for five years ago. 1:19:38.280 --> 1:19:41.240 Well, I think people think major mobilization, you pop back up, 1:19:41.680 --> 1:19:43.400 you pop back up. But also they know that we're 1:19:43.439 --> 1:19:46.040 the ones capable of actually doing the mass mobilization. 1:19:46.080 --> 1:19:46.960 Because people know us. 1:19:46.880 --> 1:19:49.120 And I'm hoping that they do outdo what we were 1:19:49.160 --> 1:19:50.000 able to accomplie. 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:51.200 Absolutely, you know there. 1:19:51.080 --> 1:19:56.400 Should be over twenty million, twenty million, white millions and millions, 1:19:56.479 --> 1:20:00.799 and white women, yes, and their white husband's, white fathers, 1:20:01.000 --> 1:20:01.679 white sons. 1:20:01.880 --> 1:20:07.719 Right, I personally feel it is it is a waste 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:11.799 of money. As people who have organized marches at that caliber, 1:20:11.800 --> 1:20:14.720 we know how much it costs. And our communities right 1:20:14.760 --> 1:20:18.920 now are suffering a lot of organizations are needing money 1:20:19.120 --> 1:20:24.599 for education, needing money for security, needing money for trying 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:29.400 all these I know, and so there's just a lot 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:33.680 that we need. And if if I know, we had 1:20:33.720 --> 1:20:36.760 created a five O one C four so that we 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:39.400 could get people civically engaged, and we should have been 1:20:39.479 --> 1:20:41.000 organizing these last four years. 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:42.479 We should have been getting out the vote. 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:45.880 We should have been civically getting women civically engaged, and 1:20:45.920 --> 1:20:48.839 we should have been actually turning those white women around 1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:51.280 that voted for Trump in twenty sixteen. We should have 1:20:51.320 --> 1:20:53.720 been reaching out to them. But that didn't happen. And 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:56.480 I know it's not my responsibility, it's not your responsibility 1:20:56.640 --> 1:21:00.519 ability or Linda's, but I do feel that we should 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:04.160 be doing something different, and that money that all these 1:21:04.240 --> 1:21:07.720 folks have should be going to the most marginalized communities. 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:12.880 And I don't know if on January eighteenth we're going 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:15.040 to be seeing the same numbers that we did January 1:21:15.080 --> 1:21:17.080 twenty first of twenty seventeen. 1:21:17.640 --> 1:21:19.600 Well, you know, first of all, I just want to 1:21:19.640 --> 1:21:22.840 say that I love and respect all of you. You know, 1:21:23.000 --> 1:21:25.760 I was there when the Women's March started, when you 1:21:25.880 --> 1:21:28.800 women put your lives on the line and took a 1:21:28.840 --> 1:21:32.360 lot of heat, and you know, I think that you 1:21:32.439 --> 1:21:35.479 can't recreate that. You know, I don't think anybody can 1:21:35.680 --> 1:21:38.640 recreate that. I think the energy around that march was 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:41.320 way different. I think, you know, like you said, Linda, 1:21:41.400 --> 1:21:44.240 we understood that we wanted to make sure that people 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:46.800 knew that Donald Trump knew where we stood and that 1:21:46.840 --> 1:21:49.479 we were against him in the world made that statement. 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:52.479 I think at this point that we have evolved into 1:21:52.520 --> 1:21:56.599 different levels of leadership and strategies, and we understand now 1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:58.960 who we're fighting against, and the best way to fight 1:21:59.000 --> 1:22:03.599 him is to organize internally and actually not as broad 1:22:03.720 --> 1:22:07.599 and invisible, because they're making laws that actually target us now, 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:09.600 that can actually take us out. So we have to 1:22:09.640 --> 1:22:12.840 be a lot more strategic as the way we strategize, 1:22:12.880 --> 1:22:14.280 Like you said, if the white women want to go 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:17.680 out there and organize the march go right along. We 1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:20.920 need allies, we need accomplices. So we need the white 1:22:20.960 --> 1:22:23.040 women to actually understand this moment. If you want to 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:28.680 go the lie and be, you know, in solidarity with us, 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:31.320 and we appreciate that, but at this moment, the level 1:22:31.360 --> 1:22:34.120 of strategy and organizing that we have to do has 1:22:34.160 --> 1:22:37.040 to be very different and has to be very intentional. 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:39.240 So I just want to say that I appreciate you 1:22:39.320 --> 1:22:42.479 and I love you guys. I mean you ladies, because 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:46.040 you know, because she said there's no guys, I got. 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:48.000 To say something on the record though, yes the Women's March, 1:22:48.040 --> 1:22:49.920 because then I feel like I didn't say my part. 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:52.800 I will just say personally, over the last fifteen months, 1:22:52.840 --> 1:22:55.880 I have been so disappointed with the Women's March itself. 1:22:55.880 --> 1:22:58.640 As someone who is one of the original co founders 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:01.280 and cultures of the march, you would believe that a 1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:05.759 women's march that was founded by one Palestinian American woman 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:10.559 who was in unequivocal solidarity with all marginalized people, where 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:13.080 we were outside putting our bodies aligned for others, You 1:23:13.120 --> 1:23:15.519 would think at some point the Women's March would say 1:23:15.520 --> 1:23:17.519 we are women with power, and we are going to 1:23:17.520 --> 1:23:19.719 say the things that need to be said. The Women's 1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:22.360 March in fifteen months set ceasefire one time. There's one 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:25.760 post on their whole social media for fifteen months that 1:23:25.800 --> 1:23:27.920 says ceasefire, and that's all it says. It just says 1:23:27.960 --> 1:23:32.280 the word cees fire. Then last week, I think because 1:23:32.320 --> 1:23:34.719 of the criticism that they were receiving about the march, 1:23:35.400 --> 1:23:39.400 they came out in addition to hundreds of other organizations 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:42.400 calling on people to call their members of the United 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:45.160 States Senate to support the Senator of Arnie Sanders, a 1:23:45.240 --> 1:23:48.280 blocking aid to Israel that was fifteen months after a 1:23:48.320 --> 1:23:51.679 genocide began, and even an organization that claims to support 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:54.880 reproductive rights, women's rights, gender justice. You would think that 1:23:54.920 --> 1:23:57.000 someone along the way would say, wait a minute, there 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.680 are fifty thousand pregnant women in Gaza and we as 1:23:59.680 --> 1:24:01.920 the people, are bombing the hell out of them and 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:04.599 making and that they have no access to healthcare. In fact, 1:24:04.640 --> 1:24:08.120 women were delivering babies without anesthesia and having sea section. 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.439 So just want to say to people personally, and this 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:13.800 has my personal position, should not interfere in what you 1:24:13.960 --> 1:24:16.200 believe or what you think about women's March. But I 1:24:16.240 --> 1:24:18.759 just want people to know from the perspective of someone 1:24:18.760 --> 1:24:20.800 who was part of the original group of the Women's March, 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:23.080 that's how I felt over the last fifteen months. And 1:24:23.160 --> 1:24:26.799 I now know which organizations truly stand for all people 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:30.400 and who in the movement is willing to say and 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:33.200 be fully and unequivocally in solidarity with. 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:34.400 Marginalized people around the world. 1:24:34.400 --> 1:24:36.760 And I kind of figured out what their space is 1:24:36.800 --> 1:24:39.200 and what they've decided and what positions that they decided. 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:40.840 Because most of the women that we organized with that 1:24:40.880 --> 1:24:42.840 the Women's March, who are no longer at the Women's March, 1:24:43.120 --> 1:24:45.439 have been outside. I've seen them. I've been seeing a 1:24:45.479 --> 1:24:48.920 lot even some of the white women Bob, a lot 1:24:48.960 --> 1:24:51.000 of the original women from the Women's March, like Bob 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:55.599 Bob Revival Chorus, whatever, they come outside with the Kafias. 1:24:55.600 --> 1:24:58.720 They're out at the pro Palestine rallies, really publicly out there. 1:24:58.720 --> 1:24:59.960 So I just wanted to say that because it's something 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:01.640 that has been sitting with me, as you said, to 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:03.680 make it in my back pocket, that I've kind of 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:05.680 wanted to say, and like like we're like just to 1:25:05.680 --> 1:25:06.160 wrap this. 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.519 Up that you know, people do whatever people want to do. 1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:10.839 But if we were just here to share our perspective 1:25:10.840 --> 1:25:13.000 about where we are and me personally, people are looking 1:25:13.000 --> 1:25:13.240 for me. 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:14.960 I'm down underground. 1:25:15.000 --> 1:25:18.240 Like you know, there's a meetings coming up with major 1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:20.559 immigrant rights leaders, folks that are on the front line 1:25:20.600 --> 1:25:21.519 to decide what. 1:25:21.400 --> 1:25:23.800 It's going to look like to protect our communities. Who 1:25:23.880 --> 1:25:25.400 needs resources. 1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:27.800 Mapping also looking nationally, let's map the cities, which ones 1:25:27.840 --> 1:25:30.639 are not sanctuary cities, the cities where we know law 1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:34.559 enforcement will immediately cooperate with the Donald Trump administration. Because 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:36.479 there are some governors and some mayors that have said, 1:25:36.520 --> 1:25:38.519 not us, We're not going to play that in our city. 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:40.320 But there are others that are like, we ready, we 1:25:40.439 --> 1:25:42.960 please pick us number one. We're over here. We just 1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:44.599 got to make sure that we are helping well. 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:48.080 And then you also have you have you have a 1:25:48.160 --> 1:25:50.720 layered It's just layered. We could go on all day. 1:25:50.800 --> 1:25:52.160 I'm not even going to I just want to make 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:55.360 sure to mention that you know, there are also people 1:25:55.360 --> 1:25:59.479 out here who are calling for all women's organizations to 1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:02.400 speak up about what's happening in the Sudan and in 1:26:02.439 --> 1:26:06.040 the Congo to African women, and we don't see anything 1:26:06.160 --> 1:26:10.439 on that either, So there's lots of work to go 1:26:10.520 --> 1:26:14.559 around that requires us doing more than having a public 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:19.439 and not us them people from having a public march. 1:26:19.479 --> 1:26:21.639 I just want to say one last thing if I may, 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:25.800 and I know I don't really say this publicly, but 1:26:25.840 --> 1:26:28.760 I have felt betrayed by the Women's March, and so 1:26:28.840 --> 1:26:31.280 I'm also very angry that they're calling it the People's 1:26:31.280 --> 1:26:34.759 March because of how we were organizing in twenty sixteen 1:26:34.840 --> 1:26:35.920 and people wanting us. 1:26:35.840 --> 1:26:37.000 To call it the People's March. 1:26:37.040 --> 1:26:39.720 But it was precisely that reason that we called it 1:26:39.720 --> 1:26:42.160 the Women's March, because we needed to galvanize women and 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:43.759 we needed women in leadership. 1:26:43.800 --> 1:26:45.080 It needed to be women led. 1:26:45.360 --> 1:26:46.000 But I feel. 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:48.520 Betrayed by them because we weren't. 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:52.639 Protected when we were being falsely accused of certain things, 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:54.839 and it really has. 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:56.280 Harmed many of us. 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:58.280 And I know we have different levels of healing, and 1:26:58.560 --> 1:27:00.439 I feel like I'm now just kind of like at 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:03.200 that point where I'm talking more about it. I'm still angry, 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:04.720 and I know Linda has said, Okay, we got to 1:27:04.720 --> 1:27:06.880 get over it, we got to move forward, but I 1:27:06.960 --> 1:27:10.800 feel like they they turned their backs on us, the 1:27:10.880 --> 1:27:14.519 current leadership that is talking about women's rights, that is 1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:17.920 talking about people protecting people, turn their backs on the 1:27:18.080 --> 1:27:21.439 very people that had organized the Women's March, and that 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:25.799 was myself, you and Linda and as well as Bob. 1:27:25.760 --> 1:27:26.719 Right and others. 1:27:27.120 --> 1:27:29.760 But I would say, and I want to say, I 1:27:29.800 --> 1:27:32.680 thank you ladies so much for being here, for being vulnerable. 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:38.320 And I think that it's important for us to acknowledge 1:27:38.880 --> 1:27:42.200 that when you say they abandoned us and they did this, 1:27:42.240 --> 1:27:45.080 and that they some of them are the ones who 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:46.519 actually did the damage. 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:49.000 So it's not just the turning your. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:53.519 Back, it's that they were part of organizing against us. 1:27:53.800 --> 1:27:56.679 We knew it, didn't know it as much at the time, 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:59.439 but we learned it. And in my book I Live 1:27:59.520 --> 1:28:01.880 to Tell the Story, which is going to be released 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:05.479 on February eleventh, there is a place where I say, 1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:08.719 when I get old and gray, I'm going to tell 1:28:08.760 --> 1:28:12.759 people about a black woman who was part of those 1:28:13.360 --> 1:28:16.240 organizing against us. And I said, but I can't tell 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:19.800 you who to be at t ch was now because 1:28:20.680 --> 1:28:21.800 you can't handle it. 1:28:21.800 --> 1:28:24.040 It's too it's too deep, it's too deep. 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:27.720 But let's also just not end this beautiful conversation. By 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.240 the way, thank you so much for having us here. 1:28:29.240 --> 1:28:32.400 In my sentiment, the truth of the matter is, there 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:35.320 was a lot of things that happened to us, but 1:28:35.400 --> 1:28:36.040 God said. 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:38.400 Oh God, still, we still still. That's why I live 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:39.960 to tell the story. 1:28:40.160 --> 1:28:42.920 That's why I just want to know that, you know, 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:44.920 sometimes and this is what I believe in. And it's 1:28:44.960 --> 1:28:46.680 interesting because the people of gods that believe this too. 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:48.479 Sometimes you got to go through the worst shit. And 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:50.680 of course nothing we've experienced is even close to what 1:28:50.800 --> 1:28:54.400 people God's experience to be where we are right now. 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:55.920 To get to a better place. So I feel grateful. 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:57.760 I just want people to know that, you know, to 1:28:57.840 --> 1:29:00.880 Meeka got a second book coming out since we got 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.599 to remember this, we're talking about something from seven years ago, 1:29:03.920 --> 1:29:07.280 you know, six years ago. Whatever, the things we've accomplished, 1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:12.680 the things we've been able to get you babies now, personally, 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:16.160 professionally like we I'm just so grateful to God. And 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:18.120 the other thing is this is this right here is 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:21.840 also a demonstration of what's feeling, what's not. This is 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:24.479 still here right because we could have just been like cool, 1:29:24.680 --> 1:29:26.200 we was at the women's Mare. I mean we obviously 1:29:26.240 --> 1:29:29.000 knew each other before that, and we're still together and. 1:29:29.920 --> 1:29:30.960 We will stay together. 1:29:31.000 --> 1:29:33.480 We're still together fifture. 1:29:33.600 --> 1:29:34.639 It's still the fifth Culture. 1:29:34.640 --> 1:29:36.920 And my friend, that's what we love you, Bob Blad. 1:29:36.960 --> 1:29:40.160 We love you, Bob Dope interview. 1:29:40.400 --> 1:29:43.599 We appreciate y'all, love your peace. 1:29:44.280 --> 1:29:47.439 It's always a beautiful moment when all three of you 1:29:47.479 --> 1:29:50.320 were in here and just listening to you, just reminis's 1:29:50.360 --> 1:29:55.040 so many, so many years of camaraderie and sisterhood and brotherhood, 1:29:55.439 --> 1:29:57.519 you know, just being a fly I called myself the 1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:00.439 fly on the wall at the Women's march, you know, 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:04.160 and just seeing how you evolved from that, how theys 1:30:04.240 --> 1:30:06.519 evolved from that, and then we find ourselves in another 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:11.120 pivotabal moment in history, you know, and just having that conversation. 1:30:11.479 --> 1:30:13.720 So I just love, I love what we have as 1:30:13.760 --> 1:30:16.080 a family, you know, and just listening to your talk. 1:30:16.160 --> 1:30:19.360 So sometimes I just get caught enamored in the moments 1:30:19.360 --> 1:30:20.400 to listen to y'all talk. 1:30:20.960 --> 1:30:23.439 Yeah, I mean it's you know, we talk to each 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:26.920 other every day and we are one another's peace. We 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:30.799 keep one another calm. I think all of us do. Angelo, yourself, me, Carmen, 1:30:31.320 --> 1:30:34.439 Jay ra mean. I mean the list goes on with 1:30:34.680 --> 1:30:37.880 a family that we've created that you know, we know 1:30:38.120 --> 1:30:41.080 that we know one another struggles even when one of 1:30:41.160 --> 1:30:44.200 us is not expressing it, you know, And so I 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.120 thought that it was important that you know, not have 1:30:47.240 --> 1:30:50.640 people asking you, asking me, you ask her, and then 1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:53.559 everybody and we all given different perspectives. You can get 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:55.599 it from us in one place, how we feel where 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:58.519 we are at this time. And I truly do believe 1:30:58.600 --> 1:31:05.280 what I said that in this moment, the white community 1:31:06.040 --> 1:31:09.040 needs to take a look at what has happened here 1:31:09.439 --> 1:31:15.200 and understand that they also have a serious problem. Black folks, 1:31:15.520 --> 1:31:19.639 mainly black black women, and black men are pretty much 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:22.559 on the same page. There's some who didn't vote at all, 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:25.639 but for those people who actually bought themselves to the polls, 1:31:26.000 --> 1:31:27.320 they knew the assignment. 1:31:27.520 --> 1:31:29.479 We knew the assignment, and. 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:33.479 So we pretty much have shown over and over again 1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:37.479 that we are willing to protect everybody while also trying 1:31:37.479 --> 1:31:40.479 to protect ourselves. That is not the case with our 1:31:40.520 --> 1:31:44.800 white brethren and sistern. They need to have many more 1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:49.400 opportunities to allow people of color to rest, to figure 1:31:49.439 --> 1:31:52.600 out our conditions, our situations, what we're going to have 1:31:52.640 --> 1:31:55.040 to face what it's going to look like to live 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:59.000 under a regime, if you will or want to be, 1:31:59.120 --> 1:32:03.200 regime that is in many ways fascist and of course 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:06.840 a dictatorship. We need to be able to figure that out. 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:09.880 And people shouldn't even be asking us to march. And 1:32:09.920 --> 1:32:12.280 I know there's some folks out there who will say, well, 1:32:12.920 --> 1:32:15.599 no one asks you specifically to me go, or you Linda, 1:32:15.640 --> 1:32:18.759 or you Carmena, you my sign. But there are people 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:21.759 asking us because we're getting the phone calls, we're getting 1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:25.479 the questions about well, can't we do this together, can't 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:28.280 we come together? Well why don't we look past the 1:32:28.360 --> 1:32:31.880 things of the past and fight? And we have people 1:32:31.920 --> 1:32:35.960 asking us all of that, And I don't I think 1:32:36.000 --> 1:32:39.120 that the way to protect those people who you claim 1:32:39.680 --> 1:32:42.080 you're supposed to be so much for is to just 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:45.960 say we got this. We're gonna go, We're gonna organize 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:51.280 our people, and we're going to make sure that white 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:55.960 women put ourselves in the line of and I don't 1:32:56.000 --> 1:32:59.240 want to say fire, but the line of the lion's eye. 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:02.680 Go out there and do that. Don't even bother just 1:33:02.720 --> 1:33:05.200 say dis march. Ain't even four people of color it's 1:33:05.240 --> 1:33:08.479 white people who are calling on white people to show 1:33:08.600 --> 1:33:12.000 up and do not shift that burden on other communities. 1:33:13.200 --> 1:33:17.640 I one agree with you, that's right. So for my 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:21.800 I don't get it today. You know, I've been having 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:24.439 dialogue just over and over just trying to you know, 1:33:25.000 --> 1:33:28.080 just the moment we're in. It's like, I'm first of all, 1:33:28.160 --> 1:33:30.240 I just don't understand the people like I think that 1:33:30.400 --> 1:33:32.040 was my I don't get it last week that I 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.200 don't understand the people that think now because you know, 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.680 Trump was elected president, that people are just supposed to 1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:40.639 be quiet and just you know, all right, it's over. No, 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:44.960 now the work actually begins now. I was having a conversation, 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:48.000 you know, I seen a post that actually been Crumpet 1:33:48.040 --> 1:33:52.479 posted and he was talking about how President Biden had 1:33:52.640 --> 1:33:57.920 just put sixty one new judges, black judges on you know, 1:33:58.439 --> 1:34:00.800 the benches, on the benches, and I was like, okay, 1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:03.320 that makes sense, they said, And he has over two 1:34:03.439 --> 1:34:07.280 hundred and sixty seven black judges that he's put on 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:11.320 benches since he's been in office. And I thought that 1:34:11.400 --> 1:34:13.800 made sense. And then people say, oh, nobody, kids, what 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:16.759 have those people done in black faces and high places 1:34:16.760 --> 1:34:18.680 don't do anything for black people, and that's nothing, it's 1:34:18.720 --> 1:34:21.640 nothing in that concept. I just don't get right. I 1:34:21.720 --> 1:34:25.000 just don't I understand that there are there are going 1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:27.280 to be some black judges that don't do things that 1:34:27.320 --> 1:34:29.200 we need. There are gonna be some people that don't 1:34:29.200 --> 1:34:32.360 do anything. But to just believe that we don't need 1:34:32.400 --> 1:34:35.720 black representation, right, that we don't need black people that 1:34:35.760 --> 1:34:38.240 come from our community to be in positions of power, 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:43.320 to be able to interpret law, to dictate, to handle sentences, 1:34:43.560 --> 1:34:46.519 and that understand our culture, to understand where we come from. 1:34:46.720 --> 1:34:48.719 That we don't need none of them in any position 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:52.240 of power. It's just it's so confusing to me that 1:34:52.280 --> 1:34:55.400 people have that that, you know, that notion, that they 1:34:55.479 --> 1:34:57.639 believe that, like, what are we telling our kids? Were 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:00.200 telling our kids to go to school, be smart, you 1:35:00.240 --> 1:35:02.080 can be a lawyer, you can be a doctor, and 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:05.040 then actually when they actually get to those places, we're 1:35:05.040 --> 1:35:07.559 telling them that they have no value to us anymore. Right, 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:11.280 It's confusing to me. We send these kids to school, 1:35:11.360 --> 1:35:14.600 you're paying tuition, you're paying all this thing. They scholarly, 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:17.280 they studying the law, they've been through the reality, they've 1:35:17.280 --> 1:35:19.599 probably seen their uncles go to jail. They've seen their 1:35:19.640 --> 1:35:22.200 mothers be you abused by the system, and they want 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:25.040 to be getting the positions to actually change those things. 1:35:25.240 --> 1:35:27.840 And we're telling them that when they get there that 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:30.519 they don't matter that now they're so they sold out 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:34.400 because now they've actually done the things that we've told 1:35:34.439 --> 1:35:36.360 them to do. It's just that I really am so 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:39.720 confused with this mind stake, and I'm confused that how 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:42.680 they tricked us into believing that because they are in 1:35:42.720 --> 1:35:45.240 positions of power all the time, and we watch them 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:47.680 abuse the white people have been in the position of 1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:50.640 power for since we came here, and we watch how 1:35:50.680 --> 1:35:53.840 they've abused it, they've negatively impacted us. How when a 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:56.800 young white boy goes before a white judge he's able 1:35:56.840 --> 1:35:58.880 to get probation for shit that they give us five 1:35:58.920 --> 1:36:01.320 and ten years for. We watch it work for them. 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:05.519 So why how did they convince us to believe that 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:08.639 none of us care enough about us to be able 1:36:08.680 --> 1:36:12.200 to implement those same, you know, levels of empathy and 1:36:12.479 --> 1:36:15.439 understanding for our own people, Like why why do we 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:17.720 think this way? Well? 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:21.160 I have so many different I have different points that 1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:23.360 are coming up as you're speaking. First, of all, who 1:36:23.439 --> 1:36:25.920 is the day on our side that or we we 1:36:26.320 --> 1:36:30.000 that you're talking about, because those people who have actually 1:36:30.000 --> 1:36:33.479 been engaged in struggle, for the most part, don't feel 1:36:33.520 --> 1:36:36.040 the way that you're talking about right or the way 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:40.240 that you're what you're saying. I believe that one of 1:36:40.280 --> 1:36:43.880 the biggest issues here and why you get confused about 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:46.519 things is because of the people you're talking to and 1:36:46.640 --> 1:36:53.400 listening to. You are spending time communicating with and accepting 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:57.840 the rationale of a lot of stupid ass people that's 1:36:57.920 --> 1:37:01.280 on the Internet, and that's why you're in this fish 1:37:01.320 --> 1:37:06.360 bowl of listening to people say very ignorant things. That's 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:08.840 why I don't spend my time there. I don't spend 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:11.280 my time there. It has become a very much so 1:37:12.280 --> 1:37:16.080 an entertainment tool for me and a messaging tool to 1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:19.080 get out things that I care about. Sometimes I might 1:37:19.160 --> 1:37:21.360 learn a little bit, but I am spending less of 1:37:21.400 --> 1:37:24.760 my time. I've actually been training myself to say a 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:26.880 thing if I decide to make a comment on the 1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:32.120 shade room or make a comment wherever, I might respond 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:36.880 one time. Other than that, I have decided that many 1:37:36.960 --> 1:37:41.760 of these people are trolls, so they are deliberately, even 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:44.080 if they are trolls that have a real profile, because 1:37:44.240 --> 1:37:47.920 as we learn, I have the evidence in my phone 1:37:48.280 --> 1:37:55.160 that during this presidential cycle, this election cycle, there was 1:37:55.200 --> 1:37:58.439 a way that you could be paid to use your 1:37:58.560 --> 1:38:02.719 page to respond to things that you know, to respond 1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:05.400 in my comments, your common whoever. I'm not saying us 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:09.320 we were being targeted. I'm saying in general, you could 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:13.240 pay to you would be paid to use your real 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:18.599 profile to communicate with people. Because the trolling that used 1:38:18.640 --> 1:38:23.160 to be very prominent, or much of it, was people 1:38:23.240 --> 1:38:26.720 who have no page, no profile, and it's just like 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.160 bots and they're talking and then you go on their pages, 1:38:29.200 --> 1:38:35.599 either it's either blocked or it is one picture or 1:38:35.640 --> 1:38:38.280 two pictures or whatever, and that was a clear giveaway 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:41.639 that these people are fake. So they are now actually 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:46.480 paying real live people to use their social media accounts 1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:49.680 to be out there with the same talking points. So 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:53.120 you could literally go up there and say the most sensible, 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:56.799 sensible things, and you're going to be met with people 1:38:57.000 --> 1:38:59.360 who are going to tell you that it doesn't matter 1:38:59.400 --> 1:39:01.880 that they're black judges out there, you're gonna be That's 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:03.960 what you're gonna be met with. I don't even know 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:07.880 why you waste your time, because what you're doing is 1:39:08.040 --> 1:39:11.959 expending energy talking to people who don't even. 1:39:11.760 --> 1:39:12.240 They don't want. 1:39:12.320 --> 1:39:14.439 I don't actually wait, I might respond, I respond to 1:39:14.560 --> 1:39:16.400 one or two people that I know at this point, 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:18.479 I really you might get one or two comments out 1:39:18.520 --> 1:39:21.080 of me. But still the mind stay because I go 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:23.040 down the line and I see a bunch of people 1:39:23.040 --> 1:39:25.120 having these conversations and they be and there's people that go, 1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:27.360 I don't have to do it because they're very much 1:39:27.400 --> 1:39:30.000 trained a shout out to Aya, Aya is gonna tear 1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:32.040 you up. She gonna tear you up from the beginning. 1:39:32.240 --> 1:39:34.280 And then there's a couple more people that I know 1:39:34.600 --> 1:39:36.840 that immediately when somebody says, they go to it. So 1:39:37.240 --> 1:39:39.960 I watched the dialogue between them and then I see, 1:39:40.160 --> 1:39:42.600 you know, fifty or sixty other people saying this, and 1:39:42.640 --> 1:39:45.479 I'm like, what, who tricked you into believing this? 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:49.920 Dumb strung Well, you also have black people who have 1:39:50.240 --> 1:39:55.080 encountered a black judge that was the worst, the absolute worst, 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:58.479 you prefer When I went in the when I went 1:39:58.520 --> 1:40:02.720 to vote, there was several judges, names of judges, right, 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:04.400 I think it was like six or seven of them 1:40:05.360 --> 1:40:07.759 and up for election. 1:40:08.800 --> 1:40:11.120 I looked at the names and I. 1:40:11.120 --> 1:40:14.880 Literally did like place in a bet, because unfortunately I 1:40:14.920 --> 1:40:17.519 did not know all of those people. I knew the 1:40:17.560 --> 1:40:20.280 black woman, and I think I knew one more person. 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:23.719 But I looked at those people and I literally chose 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:27.640 the white man, saying to myself, sometimes you could get 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:30.800 a white male judge that actually makes sense. They are 1:40:30.800 --> 1:40:34.240 a little more sensible by the law, by the rules. 1:40:34.400 --> 1:40:36.840 But there was some other people that was on there. 1:40:37.000 --> 1:40:39.120 I literally was like, I'm not going to vote for you, 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:43.759 because I have encountered. Of course, I voted for black women, 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:48.720 but I've encountered oftentimes people from all different types of 1:40:48.760 --> 1:40:52.680 backgrounds that feel that they have a responsibility to do 1:40:52.760 --> 1:40:55.639 you as dirty as possible just so they can continue 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:59.160 to prove themselves and be invited to the white people's thanksgiving. 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:03.680 So I I understand that some people their response is 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:06.120 coming from a place of trauma, But there are a 1:41:06.320 --> 1:41:08.000 large majority of people. 1:41:07.840 --> 1:41:10.360 Who are really, really, really ignorant. 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:14.160 They're stupid, They're ignorant, and you be up there entertaining 1:41:14.200 --> 1:41:16.519 them and giving them your time, And this is why 1:41:16.560 --> 1:41:18.639 you over here confused as super. 1:41:18.960 --> 1:41:21.559 What's wrong with people who tricked you into believing. 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:25.520 Because if you walk, you walk away from the Internet 1:41:25.680 --> 1:41:28.719 right now, and you just go up and down the street, 1:41:29.000 --> 1:41:32.000 and if you stood on the corner of this block 1:41:32.040 --> 1:41:35.559 and started to say exactly what you're saying, that Biden 1:41:35.800 --> 1:41:39.519 puts sixty one judges in place, and black judges and 1:41:39.560 --> 1:41:41.960 he has over two hundred and something and blah blah 1:41:41.960 --> 1:41:44.760 blah and da da, and you explain to people, the 1:41:45.120 --> 1:41:50.320 average person, regular person that you are seeing in person, 1:41:50.840 --> 1:41:52.880 is gonna say to you, I didn't know. 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:54.960 That that's actually great. 1:41:55.560 --> 1:41:57.639 Or they're gonna say, well, I've had a black judge 1:41:57.640 --> 1:41:59.479 who's who did X Y Z to me? 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:00.240 So I don't know. 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.960 But almost no one that you meet in person is 1:42:04.040 --> 1:42:07.280 going to tell you that it doesn't matter that this 1:42:07.360 --> 1:42:10.040 man puts sixty one black judges in just in the 1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:12.960 last couple of weeks or months or whatever on on 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:13.840 the federal bench. 1:42:14.120 --> 1:42:17.160 It is not gonna happen. Those are people in a 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:21.000 bubble on this stupid shit. I'm telling you. I am 1:42:21.040 --> 1:42:22.000 telling you, well. 1:42:21.800 --> 1:42:23.720 I'm trying to say that there's a couple of them 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:26.080 that I know, and they not just on there, and 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:30.240 they will literally argue you down with this same talking point, 1:42:30.280 --> 1:42:32.880 and it's just like, I don't know how we got there. 1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:36.080 And it's confusing because, like you said, for the most part, 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:38.240 it's people that I don't know, that I've never seen 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:40.760 and they but there are people on there that I 1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:43.360 literally know, And when they have this conversation, they keep 1:42:43.400 --> 1:42:46.439 on saying these same things, and I'm like, why do 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:49.599 y'all believe that? Like, what makes you believe that this 1:42:49.680 --> 1:42:52.600 even makes sense? You know? So I just asked the 1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:55.400 question because and they keep trying to tell you the 1:42:55.439 --> 1:42:58.920 same thing. Oh, you know, this is what Malcolm said, This. 1:42:58.880 --> 1:43:04.760 Is what this is Malcolm Martin, Stokely Carmichael, Marcus Garvey, 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:12.639 Coretascott King, doctor Dorothy Hyde, who else maya Angelou. I'm 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:15.439 just trying to think of the whole everybody that people 1:43:15.520 --> 1:43:19.800 might love, right, all of these Dorothy Cotton, all of 1:43:19.840 --> 1:43:24.840 these people, Reverend Jesse Jackson, not nearly, not one of 1:43:24.880 --> 1:43:30.080 them ever said that white people's ice is better, it's colder. 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:33.799 None of them said it is better to put white 1:43:33.800 --> 1:43:37.000 people in charge of everything and they're gonna make it 1:43:37.080 --> 1:43:40.200 all right for you because white people have been in charge. 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:43.840 And guess what we have the highest levels of mass 1:43:43.880 --> 1:43:49.160 incarceration of any community. While there were white judges at 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:52.879 some point, all white judges, we didn't start becoming judges 1:43:53.080 --> 1:43:56.720 until much later, after the courts had already been designed 1:43:57.040 --> 1:44:00.599 to be the catch place, the holding place for us, 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:04.040 the kangaroo court. That's where that came from, right, So 1:44:05.120 --> 1:44:08.839 it is I'm just telling you just if you I'll 1:44:08.840 --> 1:44:09.400 give I'm. 1:44:09.280 --> 1:44:10.799 Giving you some advice today. 1:44:11.680 --> 1:44:18.479 If you want real life responses and real life and 1:44:18.720 --> 1:44:24.439 meaningful dialogue, you should go to a street corner and 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:27.160 just say your thing that you feel that you would 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.760 say on social media on the street corner and have 1:44:29.840 --> 1:44:30.840 conversation with the people. 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:34.320 The reason why I'm having this conversation because I literally 1:44:34.320 --> 1:44:37.360 just did a podcast three days ago with two people 1:44:37.400 --> 1:44:39.720 that sat there and had these conversations, two black men, 1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:43.639 and they was literally arguing me down, saying the same 1:44:43.760 --> 1:44:46.599 dumb shit. So it's not it's not like in a bubble. 1:44:46.600 --> 1:44:48.320 It's not. If it was just on the internet with 1:44:48.400 --> 1:44:50.800 people I didn't see, I would be like, Okay, you're right, 1:44:51.160 --> 1:44:54.719 But listening to these black men regurgitate the same shit 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:58.000 is it was. It was frustrating. And then when the 1:44:58.040 --> 1:45:00.880 podcast was over and I'm reading the comments. It's people 1:45:00.880 --> 1:45:03.840 that are agreeing with me, like, yo, do how are 1:45:03.880 --> 1:45:06.400 y'all that ignorant? Who told you? How the shit that 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:09.240 you're saying? Like, why y'all this ignorance? So it gave 1:45:09.320 --> 1:45:11.799 me some hope. It's like, Okay, at all is not lost. 1:45:12.160 --> 1:45:14.679 You know, there's a bubble a place where these people exist. 1:45:15.160 --> 1:45:17.200 But I don't even know how they exist. I don't 1:45:17.200 --> 1:45:20.080 even know how that mind frame exists, you know, because 1:45:20.320 --> 1:45:24.240 they've really made us believe that, you know, that's one 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:26.599 of the thing Michael said, who told you to hate yourself? 1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:29.280 Like what made you believe that the white people are 1:45:29.280 --> 1:45:31.120 going to do more for you than black people? Why? 1:45:31.800 --> 1:45:33.720 Why have you convinced yourself for that? 1:45:34.040 --> 1:45:36.439 Well, because black people in positions of power, people don't 1:45:36.439 --> 1:45:37.760 feel like they've done enough for them. 1:45:37.880 --> 1:45:40.360 But I understand why they don't feel like they've done 1:45:40.439 --> 1:45:42.439 enough because a lot of them can't do enough. A 1:45:42.479 --> 1:45:43.800 lot of them, like you said, a lot of them 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:45.920 don't have the position of power, and then a lot 1:45:45.960 --> 1:45:49.160 of them are trying to appease people. So but I 1:45:50.120 --> 1:45:53.479 want to believe. I want to believe that given the 1:45:53.560 --> 1:45:57.439 opportunity right if we continue to change the narrative, and 1:45:57.520 --> 1:46:01.040 we continue to reshape with America is, and we continue 1:46:01.080 --> 1:46:04.800 to put our culture in positions of power, I want 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:08.240 to believe that ultimately we empower them to make those 1:46:08.320 --> 1:46:11.320 changes that they feel comfortable in them, they feel enough 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:13.840 of us back them. They don't have they don't need 1:46:14.160 --> 1:46:18.080 white validation, they don't need none of that. And when 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:20.439 we start to do that, then you'll see the shift. 1:46:20.680 --> 1:46:23.200 But as long as we keep acting like our people 1:46:23.200 --> 1:46:26.800 don't matter, then we do nothing but a disservice to 1:46:26.840 --> 1:46:28.320 our own well. 1:46:28.080 --> 1:46:29.920 I mean, you know how I feel about it. 1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:32.720 So that brings us to the end of another episode 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:35.639 of TMI. We appreciate y'all for making us a number 1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:39.519 one podcast in the world. Like we always uh TDM, 1:46:39.600 --> 1:46:43.080 we did oury thing. Shout out to our sisters Linda 1:46:43.120 --> 1:46:47.880 Sarsaw and Carmen Perez joining our show today. We love them. 1:46:48.320 --> 1:46:51.200 Make sure you follow them on social media's they are 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:54.240 part of our organization. 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We're gonna continue to do what we do. 1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:25.880 I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika d marriages and 1:47:25.880 --> 1:47:28.479 I can always be wrong, but we will both always 1:47:28.520 --> 1:47:32.479 and I mean always, be authentic. That's