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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll all right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. You

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Speaker 1: welcome in What If CBS is Great? NFL Analysts, future

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Speaker 1: college football analyst, I should say, number one college football analysts,

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Speaker 1: the one and only Charles Davis. You can also find

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network past the draft is started up, he'll

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Speaker 1: be on that. He'll be on NFL Networks draft coverage

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Speaker 1: as well. Charles, It's always great to talk to you, man.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm wonderful. John. It's always great to talk with you.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we get to do this on camera

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Speaker 2: a few times a year, but it's even more fun

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Speaker 2: when we just, you know, just hang out and talk.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna treat this the way we do, when

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Speaker 2: we're just kind of talking about whatever is out there.

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Speaker 2: If that's okay with you, that's when I have the

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Speaker 2: most fun.

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Speaker 1: Well that sounds great. Look, the Giants play a couple

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Speaker 1: AFC teams this year. Maybe we'll get you done. On

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Speaker 1: a couple of those games. That'll be fun. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Charles live from the Sack and maridin

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Speaker 1: Hell podcast studio. Keep getting better. So, Charles, the way

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Speaker 1: I did this this year, everyone's gonna hear your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on prospects, on path to their draft and everything. I

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Speaker 1: really want to focus on it on the Giants. So

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Speaker 1: I dove into the PFF Simulator draft simulator, and I

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Speaker 1: messed around with some of the settings, and I did

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Speaker 1: three different drafts. So I'm gonna kind of give you

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Speaker 1: the three ones I came up with. First, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let you pick which one you like the best, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll kind of kind of break them down. Who

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Speaker 1: is available, what the Giants thought process should be to

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Speaker 1: really maximize the value they're getting out of this draft. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so fan should know we're recording this on Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: It's probably not airing until early next week, so it's

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Speaker 1: before the should or Standers pro Day, just so everyone

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Speaker 1: kind of has that leveled out in terms of expectations here.

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Speaker 1: So before we get it to going this, Charles, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you a real basic question to start. I've

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Speaker 1: asked every person I found on the show the same question.

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Speaker 1: Because every draft is unique, every draft is different. What

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Speaker 1: makes this draft different and unique to you? And how

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Speaker 1: will that change what it looks like when it happens

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Speaker 1: in about two and a half weeks.

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Speaker 2: This feels a lot more like what year was It

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Speaker 2: was twenty thirteen? Was that Eric Fisher Luke Jokol at

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Speaker 2: the top?

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Speaker 1: That was the bad one?

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to sit here and say good,

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Speaker 2: bad and different. I'm just saying where the concentration is right,

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Speaker 2: where the focus is. Obviously, quarterback is going to carry

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Speaker 2: the day no matter what. If there's one quarterback in

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Speaker 2: the draft, we're gonna lead with that. Correct, That's just

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Speaker 2: how it is because the game is quarterback centric. We

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Speaker 2: know that. But if we're.

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Speaker 3: Talking about overall value, where the top players are, what's

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Speaker 3: going to define the first round in terms of numbers,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be bigs, right, Defensive.

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Speaker 2: Lineman, edge rushers all included in that, mainly offensive lineman

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Speaker 2: trying to counter them. This is the old Bear Bryant

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Speaker 2: bum Phillips rush theirs protect yours, right? So is it

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Speaker 2: that sexy draft that we always wanted to have? Like

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Speaker 2: last year? Six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: And if so, when does it begin? Second, third, fourth round?

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Speaker 2: Whatever's going to be a lot of talented runners out

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Speaker 2: in terms of quarterbacks receivers, plenty of receivers, but not

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Speaker 1: I think you're looking for a number two receiver, Charals,

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Speaker 1: You're going to be very happy. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: We might see more Day two quarterbacks, I think in

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. And what round are we talking

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Speaker 2: You remember when it was Malik Willis, Desmond Ridder, can

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Speaker 2: Was he twenty twenty one somewhere in that neighbor And

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Speaker 2: then Malik Wilson Desmon Riddar didn't go to the third round?

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Speaker 2: Remember when will Levis had the was on the heater

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Speaker 2: We'll see no.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think it's interesting. So why don't we start

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks first before we go to the scenario? Charles?

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Speaker 1: If you're the Giants, how do you maximize your value

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Speaker 1: here at the quarterback position? Obviously, I think Joe Shane

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson went over five hundred with the Steers last year.

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Speaker 1: to meet the actual group of players that's in this

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Speaker 2: John, great question, and here's where I would go with it.

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Speaker 2: You remember my first mock draft when I said Jackson

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Speaker 1: Oh you are trolling people with that, Charles. I love that, bod.

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Speaker 1: You just wanted to get people all upset. It was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was great. I loved it.

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Speaker 2: But you know what was weird about that was that

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Speaker 2: just wanted about to understand, like, I don't control the

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Speaker 2: tides in the sun and the moon and all that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that I'm not that crazy, right, I'm not

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Speaker 2: big Old Mortensen in Gi Gene. Okay, but what I

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Speaker 2: did know was in a week things are going to

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Speaker 2: be different. So it's a week before, right. The reason

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Speaker 2: I put him there was this reason. I had a

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Speaker 2: already said we're good with Derek Carr, so I'm taking

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Speaker 2: him at his word. Right, So in the top ten,

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Speaker 2: these are now filling up. So now there's pressure. If

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Speaker 2: you don't get your quarterback early, when do you get it? Right?

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Speaker 2: Because John at that point, from ten to twenty one,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't find a place for him. He won is Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: That's where you could find a place. That's where I

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Speaker 2: put him in my second Bock draft. Was it likely?

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Speaker 2: You and I both know no? The answer was no

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Speaker 2: right from the word go. But you and I have

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Speaker 2: also been around this league long enough. Have we not

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Speaker 2: seen quarterbacks pushed up when you don't expect them to be?

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Speaker 2: Have you not seen quarterbacks go like what he went? Where? Right?

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Speaker 1: Christopher just looked at Michael Pennix and Bonix last year, right,

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Speaker 1: they probably want to hire them. Then we thought they would, We.

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Speaker 2: Thought they might go. So you just don't know. Now

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Speaker 2: obviously we all thought that was really really rich, and

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Speaker 2: someone get that desperate? Potentially? Probably not. So back to

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Speaker 2: your point, I think you're coming back in the second round.

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Speaker 2: If the guy that you like or one of the

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Speaker 2: second round and hedge because your bets are heads. You

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Speaker 2: already mentioned it. If you think there's a guy for

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Speaker 2: if you like Dart and he hasn't gone, if you

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Speaker 2: there that you think is possibly my quarterback for the future,

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Speaker 2: go get it, because look at the Super Bowl numbers.

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Speaker 2: Brady is your outlier as a sixth rounder. Russell Wilson

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Speaker 2: outlier as a sixth rounder. But the people who win

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Speaker 2: super Bowls. That's first and second round. Folks. Not saying

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Speaker 2: every first second rounder has been great. They haven't. But

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Speaker 2: you're much more likely to get your guy early than

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Speaker 1: Of that second group of guys, I know the two

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Speaker 1: guys I want to shoot for upside with quarterback, right Charles.

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking for traits that I can develop. Gial

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Speaker 1: Mirrou is someone that I think is a long way

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Speaker 1: to go. I think he has to sit a whole year,

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Speaker 1: maybe more, But that's a guy I would think about it.

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Speaker 1: myself on Tyler Shuck's agent injury history, and I just

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Speaker 1: love watching his tape this year. It looks like an

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Speaker 1: Senior Ball, I talked to him at the combine. He

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Speaker 1: just feels like an NFL quarterback to me. And again,

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Speaker 1: even I know he's gonna be twenty six, I don't

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Speaker 1: care about quarterback age. I know he has the injury problems,

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Speaker 1: and yes, but it's weird stuff. Broken collar bone, somebody

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Speaker 1: an extent the Shadoor Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's stay right there on Tyler Shuck. Because

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Speaker 2: you've done your homework. You know everything about it. Your

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Speaker 2: fans know about it. Because I keep telling everybody, don't

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Speaker 2: forget the people who watch and listen to us. Because

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Speaker 2: we're lucky enough to do these jobs. They're doing our job,

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Speaker 2: just they're just not on air right right. They study it,

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Speaker 2: they can watch it, they can watch game tape now. Right.

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Speaker 2: The access information is better than it's ever been. So

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Speaker 1: And then I picked u Oloa femi Ola Dajo with

432
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Speaker 1: the Giants fourth round picks. That's Hunter, Alexander Milroe, Walker

433
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Speaker 1: and Ola Dejo. I think, by the way, just body

434
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: type wise has a ton of only one years an

435
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Speaker 1: edge player. I think he's a ton of upside there.

436
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 2: See. I think that when you got down to him,

437
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 2: you may have seen me spark a little bit. That

438
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: where I got excited was Oladeo from from from Ucla.

439
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 2: Everything's in front of him. You nailed it one year

440
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: as an edge rusher. I'd been a linebacker, right, hadn't

441
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,680
Speaker 2: hadn't really done all of this stuff. Look, John Campbell,

442
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: who will go very high out of Alabama, has been

443
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: an off the ball linebacker because they were trying to

444
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 2: find a place for him to play. They wanted him

445
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: to be an edge rusher. But who was there? Who's

446
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: the guy in Minnesota Turner, Dallas Turner, in Houston Will Anderson.

447
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 2: They couldn't find a spot for him, Okay, play linebacker.

448
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: And then what did they do with him last year?

449
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 2: Moved him and played it. So that's why I was

450
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 2: excited about Oladeo because I love where you're going with that.

451
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 2: The the the Boomer Bust with Danyon walker out of Kentucky.

452
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: I think is a legitimate conversation. I don't use boomer

453
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Speaker 2: bus very often because I hate feeling like I'm putting

454
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 2: something on a kid that shouldn't be there until it's

455
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: proven one way or the other. But it does feel

456
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Speaker 2: that way with him. He is a man, a young man.

457
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: If he was playing with a back fracture last year,

458
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 2: God bless him because now you know you got a

459
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 2: toughness factor to him. But how much rubble is he

460
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: going to create that helps you when you have to

461
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: rush the passer? Because that's what I'm worried about in

462
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: the NFL until further notice, aren't many teams that press

463
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: the run like Philadelphia does. It just stays with it,

464
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: stays where he stays with it. So we shall see.

465
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: But I like what your simulators spit out. If Milroe

466
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Speaker 2: goes in the top of the third, which might be

467
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Speaker 2: where he should go.

468
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Speaker 1: I think that's where he should go. I agree with you.

469
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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, that's a big time get right

470
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Speaker 2: there for the giants. I just don't know if people

471
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Speaker 2: are gonna be able to resist themselves, because I think

472
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Speaker 2: everyone's gonna talk themselves into if I don't get my

473
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: q Q. Now someone's gonna snatch them, you know, very

474
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Speaker 2: soon after.

475
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Speaker 1: Couldn't you just see Charles like at the end of

476
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Speaker 1: round two, the Ravens picking them back up, Lamar Jackson

477
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: like like or the Eagles to back up Jalen Hurts like.

478
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: It's just that's the type of thing that a good

479
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 1: organization is going to do, and he'll develop for that team.

480
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: It'd be great in five years.

481
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely listen. An underrated move maybe Dallas trading for Joe

482
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: Milton to back up Dak Prescott.

483
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Speaker 1: Were you surprised they only got a five for him?

484
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Not at all about it, because he was a six

485
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: and the reason he was a six was on God,

486
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,679
Speaker 2: he is gorgeous and the potentials off the charts and

487
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: when he throws the football at my go eighty yards.

488
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,679
Speaker 2: But he had never been consistent starter at Michigan, couldn't

489
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: keep the job started at Tennessee, couldn't keep the job

490
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: one year of real starting production. It was really pretty good.

491
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: Didn't run it the way you would expect the guy

492
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Speaker 2: to run it. But I'm gonna tell you why. I

493
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: give that young man credit. The little known story when

494
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: he lost a job at Tennessee to Hendon Hooker. I

495
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: think it was halftime at the pit game against Kenny Pickett,

496
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly. Do you know whose roommate was,

497
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: I do not Hendon Hooker. They were roomies. Oh and

498
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: by the way, stayed roomies. This kid found a way

499
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: to support his room bait after losing the job. You know,

500
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: it has a bitter disappointment, hung in there, supported it,

501
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: played through, watched Hooker, and then came back and got

502
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: it on his last year. There's something there about about

503
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 2: Joe Milton that you need to explore, and that's a reason.

504
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: But I'm not surprised it was only a five. I

505
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: know you had that big one game at the end

506
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,120
Speaker 2: of the year. Matt Flynn had a big one game too, okay.

507
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: And it was against backups. You remember, the Bills did

508
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 1: not need that game, which I think.

509
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: All that being said, I wishing nothing but success. He's

510
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: a terrific young man and I think going to Dallas

511
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: is a really good spot for him.

512
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Speaker 1: All right, So the third draft, that ISID all right,

513
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do Shud or Sanders here because I think

514
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Speaker 1: that's an option and I want to see what the

515
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: rest of the class looks like if you get your

516
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: door right, so should or Sanders was my pick at

517
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Speaker 1: the top Round one, top round two. I figure you

518
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 1: got to get your run defense a little bit better,

519
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: so I took Tyler Williams, the big defensive tackle out

520
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: of Ohio State State yep. And then I figured, well,

521
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: Chador is not the most mobile guy in the world,

522
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: so I better protect him. So Tate Ratledge out of Georgia,

523
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: the guard. He was there in round three, so I

524
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: took him. Great facial hair, by the way, and I'll

525
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: use the guy with that type of facial hair. He

526
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: had the mullet tube too, great mullet for an offensive lineman.

527
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Mulletsuge the definitely bump you up a grade.

528
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: And the best summer ressault at the Combine December. At

529
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: the end of every every session, they'd run to the

530
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: end zone that the group would run the ends on.

531
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: Someone would do backflips and sides and round offs and

532
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: he's like, we're offensive line and he does a summersault.

533
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 2: At all.

534
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Speaker 1: Jokes aside, he actually ran really well, like he was

535
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: a really good athlete at the cobs.

536
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: Very fluid, you know, a Georgia kid. We're used to

537
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: these monstrous Georgia guards right the Ben Clevelands of the world.

538
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: He's not small, but way more fluid than I'm used

539
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: to sing. I'm with you on that.

540
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jamari Sali are another big, big defensive lineman that's

541
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: not the smoothest guy. But this kid, he was loose

542
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: and easy.

543
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 2: In his movements.

544
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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you. Then I Ashton Jelot out of

545
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: Louisville with the next pick uh, because I think he

546
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: can give you a little bit of edge rusher man

547
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: and a three technique pass rusher.

548
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

549
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: Again, I tried to get the run stopper with Williams

550
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and I get a three techniqueass rusher with a lot.

551
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good one. And then I

552
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: took Jayden Blue out of Texas as a kind of

553
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: big play guy to put next to Tracy. Will be

554
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: your first and second down guy, and Blue is kind

555
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: of your receiver speed guy to give you a little

556
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: bit of juice in the passing game.

557
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: I like it. I mean, I like where you're going

558
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: with that. I'm this isn't a counter but Jaden Blue

559
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: Brashard Smith at SMU Yeah right, yeah, type of a

560
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 2: guy Smith, much more of a pass receiver because he

561
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: was Tyrone Tracy wide receiver, kick returner of Miami. Goes

562
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: to SMU with with with rhtt Lashley when he left

563
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: and became the head coach, flips over the running back.

564
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: So it's a low dometer, But what's it? What are

565
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: his roots catching the football? So you know he can

566
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: do that on a down. But I really like where

567
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: you're going with Jayden Blue on that one. I love Ratlice.

568
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: That's a big time get to me because I think

569
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a heck of a player for someone

570
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: because of his movement skills. I think that's really really

571
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: big and important. But it's a very interesting simulator that

572
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: you've got. I probably like the first two scenarios just

573
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: a little bit.

574
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: Better, so do I I agree with you.

575
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: Okay, just because of everything you're getting out of it.

576
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: The Chador Sanders one is just going to be fascinating

577
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: for all of us when we turn in our last

578
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: mock drafts. Where exactly do we think he'll land? Because

579
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: you made a point earlier, John that for the longest time,

580
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 2: it felt like one two cam Ward Shador Sanders, Shador

581
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Sanders cam Ward. Right now we've hit that critical mass

582
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: time as we approach the draft where it feels like

583
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: they're separation because we love to use that word. Cam

584
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 2: Ward feeling much more like Tennessee is going to go

585
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: in that direction, and Cleveland we thought had to have

586
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 2: a quarterback. I mean, one of our colleagues, Mary Kay Cabot,

587
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: who covers the Browns as well as anyone covers anyone

588
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: in the league, she said to me, I just don't

589
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: know how they leave here without taking a quarterback. But

590
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that way to us outsiders watching, does it.

591
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: It certainly does not feel like they are locked in

592
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: that they have to take a cue at two, which

593
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: makes me wonder do they feel like they've got something

594
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: in place for someone who's out there that we just

595
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: don't know yet. Is that a kirk Cousin's move that

596
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: they feel like, hey, we can go get him in Atlanta,

597
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't feel like Aaron Rodgers to me, Aaron

598
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: Rodgers is either Pittsburgh or the real wild card is

599
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota is not dead yet. That's the wildcard, which I

600
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: think is crazy.

601
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: Man, Like you use the thirteenth overall pick on JJ McCarthy,

602
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Why are you bringing an Aaron yeah, and it isn't

603
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: my organization. I don't get it, but I don't. I

604
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: don't understand it.

605
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: On to me. That's why they have it already, because

606
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 2: if they were convicted that, hey, Aaron's gonna make us

607
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: because they won fourteen games last year and got nowhere

608
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: that might be turn it. We gotta get this guy,

609
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: might get us to where we're supposed to go. The

610
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: Jets thought that too, didn't work for them, but the

611
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: Jets weren't working off of a fourteen game win season

612
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: and your quarterbacks not back. But I think it's ultimately

613
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: going to be McCarthy because I really feel like if

614
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: they'd wanted Rogers, they would already done it. And they

615
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: may kick it around a little bit more, but it

616
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: just certainly feels like they're trending towards McCarthy taking over

617
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: that job.

618
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: All right, So I think then we're talking about our

619
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: first two scenarios here. So I think this is what

620
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: will get interesting, right, is it Abdul Quarter is a hunter?

621
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: And which does the playout better for the Giants and

622
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: how they're building their team. So we'll go through the

623
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: two scenarios again. We'll compare seOne, which will be like better.

624
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: So you got Abdul Quarter, Jackson Dart, Shamar Turner, Jamari Caldwell,

625
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Emery Jones. This is a trench draft, right you want

626
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: compete with the Eagles, you want to compete with the Cowboys.

627
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: You get two defensive tackles, one of each kind of class.

628
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: You get Abdul Carter on the edge, you get Emory Jones,

629
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: who can play offensive line. Well, you know, I think

630
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: he's more of a guard than a tackle. And then

631
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you get the quarterback in Jackson Dart. So I think

632
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: you're really trying to compete in your division with that

633
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: type of group. Right now the other group, this is

634
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more flash to it now. All right,

635
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: So you got Travis Hunter and Jaln Mirrow. Miro's the

636
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: third round guy, but those are the two offensive players.

637
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Then on defense you have Walker Alexander instead of Walker there,

638
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: I think you could have picked like Peebles or Pegeese,

639
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, one of those guys, you know, another kind

640
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: of run stopper if you prefer that. And then I

641
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: gave the edge player Ola Dajo from from UCLA. So

642
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm just curious, Charles, do you think to help you

643
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: become a more competent football team and coming off of

644
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: three one year, that's what you want to be, right,

645
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: You want to become a better solidify your foundation, and

646
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Speaker 1: continue to build for you. When you look at these

647
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Speaker 1: two groups, does it make more sense to go with Hunter,

648
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: who again can help you in potentially in two different spots?

649
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: JU said, why that? Or do you go with Carter

650
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: and then just throw all your resources at the defensive front?

651
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Speaker 2: I like, I like that one, I really do. And

652
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 2: as much as I love Hunter, and I'm like, who

653
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Speaker 2: wouldn't if you're watching him play, if you're getting that

654
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Speaker 2: pass rusher now and you already have one on board

655
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Speaker 2: that you that you want fully activated to Thibodeaux. Right,

656
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: So you're trying now to bookend your pass rush. You're

657
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: helping your defensive front, right, and you're going along that way,

658
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: and you're also gonna help whoever's playing quarterback, and you

659
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Speaker 2: get a chance for Milroe to develop. Right. That's kind

660
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Speaker 2: of where right? Is that what I have it?

661
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Speaker 1: Right?

662
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Speaker 2: Or do I have is that the Dart one?

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Speaker 1: Uh? No, you would you at Dart? But you know what,

664
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Speaker 1: I could be easily giving you a millrow with that too.

665
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Speaker 1: It's okay, because you want.

666
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: No, it's okay, whether it's are at our milra. They

667
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: don't have to come in and do this right away. Right,

668
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Speaker 2: And this is what we talk about every year with quarterbacks,

669
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Speaker 2: and we know it's folly because if you get picked

670
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Speaker 2: in the first round, you're gonna probably play at some point. Again,

671
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Speaker 2: outliers Mahome's not playing his rookie year except for Week

672
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: eighteen or whatever. It was. Outlier, right, Carson Palmer major

673
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: outlier sitting behind John kitting though I went back to

674
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Speaker 2: Steve McNair who sat for the better part of two years.

675
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: He made six starts in the first two years, but

676
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Speaker 2: that was their injuries. I think it was Chris Chandler

677
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Speaker 2: and then he took over year three. Most of the time,

678
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Speaker 2: if you and I are the GM, we go to

679
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Speaker 2: the podium and we say, listen, we got a veteran.

680
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna take time, blah blah blah, and by week

681
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: three he's in. Right. It just kind of how it works,

682
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: how it goes. You and I both know if you

683
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: got draft quarterback in the first ride is likely going

684
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: to play. If he's gonna be drafting the top fifteen,

685
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: he's definitely going to play. If it's gonna be in

686
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Speaker 2: the top five, he's probably gonna start day one.

687
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Speaker 1: And by the way, we talk about Milroe needing time

688
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: to just I think a lot of the mechanics and

689
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: stuff on us throwing and just getting a lot of

690
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Speaker 1: that stuff set is important. I think it's underrated how

691
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: much Jackson Dart needs to sit a year.

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Speaker 2: It's a different style of what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: You watch that offense, Charles, There's not a lot of

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Speaker 1: NFL things going on. And by the way, I know

695
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Speaker 1: that Pat Summer was his OC. There's not a ton

696
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Speaker 1: of pro stuff going on in the Colorado offense either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for a lot of the youngsters coming in. And

698
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Speaker 2: I'm no quarterback guru, but having watched over time, mobility

699
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: is such a factor in our game now and Dart

700
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Speaker 2: is mobile, right. You see plenty of quarterback run stuff

701
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: and him running for first down. Chador is not a statue.

702
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: He wants to play more from the pocket, but he can.

703
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: He can hot foot it out of there and get you,

704
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: get you some.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, sometimes too much, by the way, but he does

706
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Speaker 1: the problem.

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Speaker 2: And let's use Kle Williams as our case study from

708
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Speaker 2: last year. They are so good at the college level

709
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: when you're playing not all NFL guys, you're playing a

710
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Speaker 2: lot of guys who are college players. I was probably

711
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Speaker 2: a college player by what an NFL got. So there

712
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Speaker 2: are a number of us out there running around and

713
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: guess what, you're winning that battle every week. Then you

714
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Speaker 2: get into the NFL. And Russell Wilson told me the

715
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: story last year. He said, his first year, it was

716
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Speaker 2: early in the season and he started to do the

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Speaker 2: stuff he did in college, and oh, yeah, I just

718
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: move here and I get here, and all of a sudden,

719
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Speaker 2: he said, I'm on my back now because they run

720
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Speaker 2: you down like that. It's a different speed. These guys

721
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Speaker 2: all think they can keep plays alive, create something else.

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Speaker 2: And so when you see sixty eight sacks against Caple

723
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Speaker 2: Billiams and goes Man, that offense line's awful. They weren't

724
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Speaker 2: the greatest offensive line, but there's no way this. All

725
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: sixty eight sacks are on them. Quarterback holding the ball,

726
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Speaker 2: extending to play, not realizing fight another down as good

727
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Speaker 2: A lah TB twelve, A lah Peyton, a lah Dan Marina.

728
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Speaker 2: All those guys like, yeah, we'll come back next play.

729
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 2: Get it. These guys keep it alive and the sack

730
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: numbers go up, up, up, up up, And that's part

731
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Speaker 2: of the part of the issue. They have to learn

732
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Speaker 2: to speed up their process, and they do so.

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Speaker 1: I guess before I give you my fun one that

734
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Speaker 1: I just picked the guys that I like, and I

735
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Speaker 1: want to get your take on it. If and I

736
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Speaker 1: don't think the Giants will have a choice between Carter

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Speaker 1: and Hunter. I think one of those guys will be

738
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Speaker 1: off the board and the decision will be made for them,

739
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Speaker 1: which I think in some ways is great because it's

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Speaker 1: out here control, right if you had the choice. Charles,

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Speaker 1: So you're the Giants, Do you take Carter a Hunter?

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Speaker 1: At three?

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Speaker 2: My roots are defense? But I'm I'm taking Hunter?

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Speaker 1: Ah, so did I. You're gonna see it like do

745
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Speaker 1: my room? How do you use him?

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Speaker 2: Now?

747
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Speaker 1: That's the tricky part.

748
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Speaker 2: He's playing offense for me initially. I've got packages for

749
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Speaker 2: him on the defensive side. I want to be very,

750
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Speaker 2: very careful about what I'm doing with this youngster because

751
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: he's going to want to do everything because he's used

752
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Speaker 2: to doing that. This is a different world and I'm

753
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: not saying he can't. But there's also no reason for

754
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Speaker 2: him to do it full time right from the word go.

755
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: And then I've got a kid floundering because don't forget

756
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: there's meeting time involved. There's technique time that's involved, there's

757
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: learning your craft that's involved, there's time on task that's involved.

758
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: And in college, he's so superior that he can do

759
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: a lot of these things without having as much of

760
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: all I talked about being part of it. All right,

761
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 2: he's just better than us, and he's going to be better.

762
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: But now if I'm taking him, if I'm on offense,

763
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: I develop him as a better route runner, I develop

764
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: all the skills necessary with that. I have enough meeting

765
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Speaker 2: time that when I want to hand in the ball

766
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: on a jet sweep, he knows that play. I want

767
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: to bring him back to the backfield like Jamar Chase

768
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: and do some stuff with him there. I'm not going

769
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Speaker 2: to run him his hard like Deebo Samuel whe I'm

770
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: going to run power with him coming inside, but I'm

771
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: gonna have all this stuff that he's gonna spend that

772
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Speaker 2: time with. And by the way, there will be a

773
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: package on defense that's a lot easier to adjust to.

774
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: Remember Isaiah Simmons coming out of Clemson.

775
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 1: We had long conversations about him, and they still haven't

776
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: figured out where to play the guy.

777
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: And John, I'm pretty sure that in our conversations we

778
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: talked about that and at some point, because this has

779
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: been my mantra for a long time, be careful of

780
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 2: what I call whiteboard fever. Whiteboard fever is a coach

781
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: up on the board saying, oh this guy, I can

782
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: play him here, I can play him here, I can

783
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: use him here, I can rush him here, I can

784
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 2: drop him here. And you know what, you have one

785
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: very confused young man.

786
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Speaker 1: And you know what that sounds like. By the way,

787
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: whoever's draft Jalen Walker is gonna have to be careful

788
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: with that too. Same type of deal.

789
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Speaker 2: Get them comfortable doing things they do well, and then

790
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: you start adding things to their plate. The good ones

791
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: really do that well. The all time best ever at

792
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: doing it was Vic Fangio when they drafted Allen Smith

793
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. He had a plan, You're going to

794
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: rush the pass or young man as a rookie, and

795
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: then we'll add things to your play. But you have

796
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 2: fifteen sacks or more as a rookie. They had a plan.

797
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: They knew what they were doing they had, they went

798
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Speaker 2: about it the right way. I'm not criticizing what happened

799
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: with Isaiah Simmons. I'm not even saying that they overloaded him.

800
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Speaker 2: But that was all the talk was the versatility. I

801
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: want that guy strong at something that you can grab

802
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: on too early, have success early, so his confidence builds.

803
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: And then I started sprinkling stuff in and maybe down

804
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: the line we have our next Chuck bed and Eric

805
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: who knows.

806
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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

807
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're

808
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk

809
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd

810
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: like to learn about amiliar teae. Yes I knew I

811
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Speaker 1: could help make sense of your money with Citizens. Yeah,

812
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right. So here's my fun one

813
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna ask you just for a couple

814
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: of year, Charles Davis, guys that you probably like better

815
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: than everyone else. You can start thinking about those guys

816
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: if you like. But here are mine. So I got

817
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter with the third pick somehow, and this is

818
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: probably unrealistic, but Derek Harmon was sitting there at thirty four.

819
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Speaker 1: I think he's phenomenal. You know, you don't have any

820
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifteen pound three techniques anymore. A lot

821
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: of those guys are two ninety five. So I jumped

822
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: at that. I drafted my guy Tyler Shooking round three.

823
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: He was sitting there. Wyatt Millan was somehow there at

824
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Speaker 1: the end of round three.

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Speaker 2: Were you playing him inside?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a guard for me, not a tackle. I

827
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Speaker 1: don't think he is the feed out there or to

828
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Speaker 1: stay at tackle.

829
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: And then I think he's got the tenacity and the

830
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: want to to move inside and do a nice job

831
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Speaker 2: for your guard.

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I think he could be your starting

833
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: right guard week one if you want. And then I

834
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: decided to take Harold Fannon Charles the tight end of

835
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Speaker 1: Bowling Green And look, I get the testing isn't great,

836
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 1: and I know he just moves. He's not as smooth

837
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: as you want it to be. But no one could

838
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: cover this guy. Why do people want you select him higher?

839
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: I got him in this box draft simulator the fourth round.

840
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. He's going to be a productive tight end.

841
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, he actually tries to block like

842
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: he's a tough kid.

843
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: He's willing. He's willing to He's willing to stick his

844
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: nose in the fan, There's no question about that. But

845
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: I'm not even looking at him as a tight end.

846
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him as a versatile piece for me.

847
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: Where do I line and I line him up as

848
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: a wing? Am I flexing him? Am I bringing him

849
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: across across formation for motion? Do I hide him in

850
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Speaker 2: the backfield and send him out into the flat to

851
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 2: catch the football. I'm gonna do a number of things

852
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: with him on the offensive side of the ball. I'm

853
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: not asking to lead on power, okay, and be my

854
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: full there. I'm not asking him to make sure that

855
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: he can block an all pro defensive end and do it,

856
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, consistently. Is he going to come inside and

857
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: wham occasially? Sure, we'll do all that kind of stuff,

858
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing is just finding space and putting

859
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: the ball in his hands and then after that enjoying

860
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 2: the results. If you get hero Fannin in the fourth round,

861
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: you're doing really, really well. I think remember when Harrison

862
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: Bryant came out and had won the John Mackie Award

863
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: for Florida land on it. I have to tell you,

864
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: John I'm kind of surprised that we haven't gotten more

865
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: out of him in the NFL. I thought that I

866
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: thought he had a skill set that matched if you

867
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: just use him that way. But he was one of

868
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 2: those three tight ends in Cleveland and it just never

869
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: took off. Plus he was behind nadjokub Nadjoku, bigger, stronger,

870
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: more physical, all the same things Bryant does. Who you're

871
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball to? Right? So so that kind

872
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: of does that thing. But I'm with you on Harrold Fanning.

873
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: I like him a bunch. Yeah, you can see all

874
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: the flaws. But what do our scouting friends tell us?

875
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: Because you you learn like I learned, right, and and

876
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: occasionally I actually listen. I'm sorry, Yeah, I actually do.

877
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: My scouting friends always tell me never forget the flashes.

878
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: Grade those flashes, and Harold fannin flashes.

879
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: And against really good competition to do. By the way,

880
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: Penn State seems.

881
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember it? Did you see this Penn

882
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: State game? H he can play, He can play, and

883
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: he had a nice quietly had a very nice Senior

884
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: Bowl week. We talked about a lot of tight ends

885
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: there this week, and at one point I said, we

886
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: haven't even talked about Harold Fannon. What's going on? Yeah, Mickeys,

887
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: Ferguson was there, you know, I Fedora was there. You know.

888
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: We can go right on down the line. But my

889
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 2: thing is, I don't think he's a pure tight end.

890
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: I think he's much more h fact tight. But the

891
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: good offensive coordinators, the creative ones, the ones who know

892
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: how to do it, you find a way for that guy.

893
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap it fire here, Charles. I'm gonna

894
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: throw a couple bunch of positions at you, one by one.

895
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Just pick. I don't want no one in the first round.

896
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: Give me the guy that you really like after the

897
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: first round that you think people are sleeping on a

898
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: little bit. So it's a super deep running back class.

899
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: There's the guys of every flavor. Which guy do you like?

900
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: I mentioned Bishard Smith earlier just because of the day,

901
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 2: and get a lot out of him, and I'm gonna

902
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: get him a little bit deeper into the draft. This

903
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: is a Tennessee homer call. But Dylan Samson I like.

904
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: Him a lot of Charles. He runs away from people

905
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: in short areas. Man who puts all.

906
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: Me ensop, you know, and he does a lot of

907
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: really good things there. Look him not playing inst Ohio State.

908
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that it turns everything, but it changes

909
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: their offense. When he couldn't go, couldn't go fully and

910
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: Ohio State jumped on my balls in that game, I

911
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: think he's a terrific player.

912
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right. We mentioned a lot of

913
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: good Day two wide receivers. Which is your flavor on

914
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Day two? For the wide receiver you'd like to get?

915
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh boy, well can I get? Can I get Higgins

916
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: or Noel?

917
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: Yeah? Of course? Which one? Though?

918
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: Can I get either one?

919
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah? Both? They're really good, built.

920
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: Differently, play a little bit differently, extremely productive. Noel got

921
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: better better during Senior Bowl week.

922
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: Noel reminds me of Liad McConkey. I gotta be honest

923
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: with you, that's what he reminds me of.

924
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: I love the comp on that one, right, Nola. I

925
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: mean everything he did, won his routes, caught the ball,

926
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: ran away from people, did all those things, short area, quickness,

927
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: you name it. Higgins a lot more linear, but still

928
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: able to shrug things off, get past people. Eastern Kentucky,

929
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: Lissy's original school, Eastern Kentucky. This is what we're getting

930
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: now where people do even if you miss. And I'm

931
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: seeing a lot in college of basketball where guys are

932
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: coming from smaller schools and crushing on the big stage.

933
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,800
Speaker 2: I think the gap is narrower and narrower and narrower

934
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: as we go through it.

935
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: All Right, let's go to tight end. Great class there.

936
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: We talked about fan and what's your tight end on

937
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: day two or three that you don't think people are

938
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: talking enough about.

939
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: I think people talk about Ferguson a lot.

940
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: I like him, I really do.

941
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: I think people are talking about him, and I think

942
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: he's a really good player. What's the net? What's the

943
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: name of the youngster out of U c l.

944
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: A Oh geeztaval Yeah, something like that. I don't think

945
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: I actually have that pronunciation.

946
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have him. I'm gonna have him deeper in

947
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: the draft. But I see flashes with him. I see

948
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: his ability to run. I think that I can do

949
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 2: things with him down and down the road. I'm not

950
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: taking him probably until day three, Like for me, he's

951
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: a day three guy. But I think he's gonna make

952
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: your roster and make you better.

953
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, at least if I can get that. Uh yeah,

954
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: Maliki out of owl, out of owl, something like that. Yeah,

955
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: I will have to check on check on that pronunciation

956
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: before we get the draft night.

957
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: Here you with me both, because I don't want I

958
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: don't want his family coming for him.

959
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: No, no, you guys do a great job with that stuff.

960
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump off the offensive side of the ball.

961
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: Go to defense, defensive tackle, super deep, Charles. A lot

962
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: of different guys on day two that are gonna go.

963
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Who do you like?

964
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you mentioned one of the Ania's peebles because

965
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: he flashed and me at the Senior Bowl because his

966
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: ability to play upfield. He's that old old undertackle right

967
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 2: that we always talk about and playing three tech to

968
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: get upfield. But he's everything he does is getting up field,

969
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: getting up field, getting upfield. And that's a little skeptical

970
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: in the beginning because I was like, but he left Duke,

971
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: he goes Virginia Tech? Did he? And then you go

972
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: back and find Duke tape and you're seeing it there too.

973
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 2: You're seeing these plays where he's getting upfield and making

974
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: things happen. I kind of like him because I don't

975
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: think he's super sized, but I do like his ability

976
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: to get upfield, make himself skinnier, and then all of

977
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: a sudden you're dealing with him in the backfield.

978
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: All right, how about Edge?

979
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: Oh boy, there's a kid at Miami, Tyler Baron. Oh Okay,

980
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: Tennessee transfer goes to Miami. I think there's a skill

981
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: set there, that consistency is what we're looking for, and

982
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: got to put it together. But I really liked him.

983
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think there was one other that I

984
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 2: had in mind, and all of a sudden it escape

985
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: this little bit of gray matter here. If I get it,

986
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: I'll come back to it. But Baron out of Miami

987
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: is a guy that I keep an eye on on

988
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: day three.

989
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: Awesome, all right, let's stick in the trenches. How about

990
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: guard Well, you.

991
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: Already you already took one of my favorites of my

992
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: lim nice. Absolutely loved that kid. All right, but let's

993
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: go to the to the Jacksonville State kid web, because.

994
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: We're Georgia big recruit man.

995
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Where Georgia recruit goes Jacksonville State comes to the senior bulls. Like,

996
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: remember I was with you big guys before. I'm not

997
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: proving anything. I just played Jacksonville. Say who had the

998
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: heck of a year and their head coach Rich Rod

999
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: returns back to West Virginia. I think he's gonna be

1000
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 2: just fine as he moves forward.

1001
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's some this is co off the fields

1002
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: up with him leaving Georgia, that team's off to sort through.

1003
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: But they'll they'll try to figure that one out.

1004
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: You know, and they'll sort through all the stuff that

1005
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: goes with it. And you know, you know how that goes.

1006
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: But how many times we heard all this, but yet

1007
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: off field this that, and then ten years later we

1008
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: don't hear another thing about it. A lot of kids

1009
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 2: find their way eighteen to twenty two or some tough years.

1010
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: Man it is I have to ask you about the

1011
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: DBS man. Who's your day to dB that safety or

1012
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: corner or both that you fall in love with.

1013
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: Ooh boy, look, I'm gonna go with day one, just

1014
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: to start off with it. I really like Malaka Starks.

1015
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: I know Emon Worry has done a magnificent job jumping

1016
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: up there. Not that both of them can't play, but

1017
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: I feel like he jumped up so high that people

1018
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: forget this. Starks have been doing it really well for

1019
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: a number of years. So I am really excited about

1020
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: what he brings to the table. Xavier Watts Notre Dame,

1021
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: nice ballhawk, always around it, finds the football and then

1022
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: does things with it. When when he gets involved and

1023
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: takes off and goes if it's a corner. I'm really

1024
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: intrigued by what we're getting out of the kid out

1025
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: of East Carolina, Savannravel because we know he's coming off

1026
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: the ACL. We're estimating that he's a sub four four guy.

1027
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: When you watched him to start twenty twenty four, he

1028
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: was just taking the ball from everybody before he got hurt.

1029
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: And if the ball just popped free, who was the

1030
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: first one on it? And I watched him come up

1031
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: and tackle like he steps up in the hole and

1032
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: he tackles people. Turn onto Michigan tape and watch him

1033
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: against Michigan two years ago with that national championship team,

1034
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: and he makes a lot of plays. I think he's

1035
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 2: a little bit you know, he's raw all the time

1036
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: and it almost becomes an all encompass term. But I

1037
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: do think technique, backpedal, things of that nature need to

1038
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: improve for him, but I think that they will with

1039
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: right coaching over time. But I love his backstory. No

1040
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: great coming out of school, ends up at lewis Burg,

1041
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: which is a juco, ends up not having the grade,

1042
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: so he's Carolina tells you gotta get your grades. But

1043
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: he's Carolina found him in like a tryout camp and

1044
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 2: wanted to offer him right away. And they're like, oh, okay,

1045
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: well you get those grades right your company's Carolina, And

1046
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: the beauty is other people discovered him during that time.

1047
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 2: But where did he end up the place that found

1048
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: him first. Sometimes that loyalty thing matches, and you know

1049
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: what that story matches with when you'on Mitchell, yeahat Toledo.

1050
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Revel is the same as Mitchell, but

1051
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: remember Mitchell had how many opportunities to go somewhere and

1052
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: make anil money the whole thing. Heck, even changes jersey number.

1053
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: He didn't change his jersey number to a single digit

1054
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: because his grandmother said, why don't you just work with what?

1055
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 2: Why don't you just which you have? And hey, Grandma,

1056
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: I got a chance to go and make all his money.

1057
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Who showed you the loyalty first? He stayed and that

1058
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: worked out pretty well for him. Revel kind of reminds

1059
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: me a little bit of that. He's had to battle

1060
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: through some stuff.

1061
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: I know, you gotta run, Charles, you gotta do serious

1062
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: real quick. I want to fall up on Starks because

1063
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: I watched him and there's been a lot of Brian

1064
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: Branch comparisons with him. The one thing I'll say, I

1065
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: think is a little bit different than Branch. I thought

1066
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: Branch was a little bit twitchier in terms of changing

1067
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: direction covering in the slot. I like Starks much better

1068
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: as a deeper safety than I do a guy that's

1069
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: covering in the slot.

1070
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and much more as a high safety coming down

1071
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: and making those plays. Alli plays things of that nature.

1072
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Speaker 2: I can get with that, absolutely get with it. But

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Speaker 2: I think he's dynamic that way. And if he's playing

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Speaker 2: that game, as I like to say, if he's playing

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Speaker 2: playing the game forward as a safety look.

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Speaker 1: Out, yeah Ford, yeah, exactly. Gonna keep it more linear,

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Speaker 1: don't make him change direction like crazy. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I think a four or five forty time is fine.

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Speaker 1: By the way. People worried about that. That's fucking just.

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Speaker 2: To finish on the forty time. Isaiah Bond put it

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Speaker 2: out there he was gonna run sub four two right, remember,

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Speaker 2: And of course everybody couldn't wait for him to fail,

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Speaker 2: because that's how we are as people like four to two. Really,

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Speaker 2: he ran four four and then he came back and

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Speaker 2: ran four three seven. Let us not forget four to

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Speaker 2: four is really fast and four to three sevens even faster.

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Speaker 2: So yes, we all should have known he wasn't running

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Speaker 2: sub four two. But we like to see people knock

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Speaker 2: down after they've made big pronouncements. Let's not forget this

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Speaker 2: kid can get up and go all right, and someone's

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Speaker 2: gonna grab him second, third round, and he's got a

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Speaker 2: chance to be a pretty darn good pro A charge

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Speaker 2: before my big sleepers. Ty Felton the wide receiver rout.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I like him too.

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Speaker 2: I just like him because yards after the catch, John,

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Speaker 2: yards after the catch coordinators, offensive coaches, receiving coaches, running

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Speaker 2: back coaches, what are they like? People who get more

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Speaker 2: than what's blocked, people who get more than what's thrown. Right,

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Speaker 2: So he catches it at ten, great ten yard catch.

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Speaker 2: Charles Davis gets tackled right there, and that's your play.

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Speaker 2: Ty Felton catches it, and now it's a fifteen yard game.

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Speaker 2: It's a seventeen yard game. And guess what your offense

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Speaker 2: runs more efficiently that way. I liked it. That kid

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Speaker 2: big first four or five games of last year tailed

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Speaker 2: off a bit at the end. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 2: was all his fault, but boy, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: it went from like five to twenty three to thirty

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Speaker 2: nine to seventy six catches got better every year at Maryland,

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Speaker 2: and he.

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Speaker 1: Ran it really really good. Oh he ran he ran

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Speaker 1: some absolutely anything besides new Paul said, you want to

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Speaker 1: promot Charles before you take it?

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Speaker 2: Bye? No, No, I'm just I'm glad to be here

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Speaker 2: with you, and glad, always glad to represent the mid

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Speaker 2: Hudson Valley. You know that, always glad to represent the Huguenots.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely all right. That's Charles Davis on the Johns Little Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: live from the Hackensack Brining Health Podcast Studio. Keep getting

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Speaker 1: better for Charles Davis on John Smell, Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: with us. We'll see you next time.