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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast, Gary Collins

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Speaker 1: back with us. Was raised in the high desert at

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Speaker 1: the basin of the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range in a

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Speaker 1: very rural part of California. He now lives at a

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Speaker 1: remote area off the grid in northeast Washington State. He

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Speaker 1: has a diverse background that includes military intelligence, being a

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Speaker 1: federal government special agent, entrepreneur, author, and college professor. He's

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Speaker 1: been involved in organized sports, nutrition fitness for almost four decades.

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Speaker 1: He's an active follower and teacher of simplicity of life

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Speaker 1: to include the self reliance a survivalist off the grid lifestyle. Gary,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the program. How are you, sir? Good good,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on again, Jordan, looking forward to

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Speaker 1: this see And when you say living off the grid,

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Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean? Well, there's many different meanings

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Speaker 1: out there. I just look at it as simply not

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Speaker 1: being attached to public utilities. So you're your own power company,

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Speaker 1: sewage company, water company, power company. That's how I look

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Speaker 1: at it. Some people take it as you don't use internet,

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Speaker 1: you don't have a cell phone all that. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's not how I define it. You've got a pretty

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Speaker 1: intense government background. Tell me a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: and how you got interested in living off the grid. Well,

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Speaker 1: like you said, I grew up very rural. I grew

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Speaker 1: up in a town of like eighteen hundred people. I

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Speaker 1: lived outside of that town in smaller places that had

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Speaker 1: less than a hundred people. So a group in the

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Speaker 1: sticks is the best way to put it. And with

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Speaker 1: a government traveling around the world in dealing with criminals

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Speaker 1: to include supervisors and bosses, I guess kidding, maybe not,

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Speaker 1: but just the stress of the job and everything, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get back to the life that I grew

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Speaker 1: up with. You know, growing up, you think, oh the stinks.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe my parents stuck me out in the middle,

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Speaker 1: know where there's nothing to do. Then you get older

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Speaker 1: and you go, oh wow, that was a great life.

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Speaker 1: It was very quiet, easy, simple, and I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get back to that. So I hatched my plan over

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Speaker 1: a decade ago and decided I was going to give

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Speaker 1: piece of land, and just went about it, put together

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Speaker 1: and did it. Now, of course, you do. You try

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Speaker 1: to help people do the same. Not everybody can pick

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Speaker 1: up and move and live off the grid. What happens

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Speaker 1: to those folks Gary during some kind of catastrophe that

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Speaker 1: could occur, whatever it may be. And that's a tough

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Speaker 1: one because I get asked that all the time. You know,

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Speaker 1: it won't I always hear, well, I can't do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: the funny thing is because I'm single, they go, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're single, you don't have any responsibilities. I have when

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Speaker 1: I go most people living off the grid or living

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Speaker 1: remotely or families, it's not single people. It's actually married people,

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Speaker 1: the kids. That's the whole bit it. But people in

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Speaker 1: the city, it's a tough one if you can't do

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Speaker 1: it and you can't get away. If you're in the city,

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Speaker 1: you're just scamped to figure out, you know, how to

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Speaker 1: have enough supplies, have a backup generator, you know, have

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Speaker 1: If you're in a city, you're trapped. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no better other way to put it, unless you can

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Speaker 1: get out, which we see. You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: All the hotels are filled. So it's a tough one. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's a tough one. And it's it's a sad one too,

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Speaker 1: because I think it's not a matter of if, it's

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Speaker 1: you feel that way, absolutely? Um, you know, natural disasters

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Speaker 1: happen almost yearly, you know, growing up, even in California,

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Speaker 1: the forest fires we get uh. I don't live there anymore,

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Speaker 1: you going to do about it? It's you know, I

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Speaker 1: kind of call it. It's one of the side effects

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Speaker 1: You put a bunch of people in one area, you

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Speaker 1: I mean, what in terms of living off the grid?

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Speaker 1: The technology is advanced so far that I have normal appliances.

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Speaker 1: I have hot water, I have a washer dryer. Now

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Speaker 1: I run it off the solar system right now. The

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Speaker 1: but I plan to run wind and solar. But so

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Speaker 1: far I run the whole thing off solar and it works. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: even on cloudy days. There's ways you can change the

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Speaker 1: can't run my washer and dryer and stuff all day.

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Speaker 1: But from the most why I run all my lights, TV,

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Computer interesting, and I mean, is

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Speaker 1: had me on last tom. I think I'd written Going

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Speaker 1: Off the Grid and the Living Off the Grid's kind

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Speaker 1: of follow up, and I've written some other and also

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Speaker 1: The Simple Life also, I think you're yeah, the Simple

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Speaker 1: Life series, which gives you the whole I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: create a whole path for people to kind of declutter

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Speaker 1: their lives and simplify. But yeah, in the beginning's very

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Speaker 1: you get it done, you know, the most surprising thing

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Speaker 1: because you don't have the typical everyday noise point on

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Speaker 1: The only thing that would change would be, you know, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if they're into extracurricular events, sporting events and all that

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Speaker 1: to those events. Anyway. Now, what about people who like

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Speaker 1: you do you work? I mean, do you don't have

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Speaker 1: concrete there for you. What did you end up Gary

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Speaker 1: missing the most when you started living off the grid. Um,

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Speaker 1: not much. I honestly, I love my life. I don't

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Speaker 1: interview because obviously I don't have a lambline, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. I to me, my life

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Speaker 1: is very normal. To other people, they're fascinated by it.

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Speaker 1: And that's what shocks me probably the most, is how

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Speaker 1: people look the way I live and they're all, how

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Speaker 1: do you do that? Same way you do? I still

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, I still work, I still

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Speaker 1: do the same things. I just have more freedom. That's

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Speaker 1: why I did it. Now, assuming an asteroid does it

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Speaker 1: come and blast us all and obliterate you, but if

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Speaker 1: it hits somewhat place else and took down the power

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Speaker 1: for a long time and stuff, you'd be okay, wouldn't you. Yeah. Actually,

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Speaker 1: where I'm at, we've had some pretty bad storms over

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years that downed a lot of

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Speaker 1: trees and took the power out. And I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I was looking out my front windows. I have a

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Speaker 1: lake down below me that's probably four or five miles away,

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Speaker 1: but I can see it. I'm above on the mountain.

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Speaker 1: I can see into the lake, and I remember looking

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Speaker 1: at and go there's no lights. And I didn't know

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Speaker 1: until I went into town and everyone said, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the power was out for you know, thirteen fourteen hours,

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Speaker 1: and oh I didn't know, because all my stuff just runs,

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Speaker 1: you know, it runs exactly how it did before. Listen

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