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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: Season eighteen, episode number one sixteen. Welcome to the latest
Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We're life in s WBC Mortgage
Speaker 1: Studios at the Star. We are presented by Miller like
Speaker 1: the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. And there's nothing,
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing that settles me more. And when I get
Speaker 1: everybody back in studio together again, feels like home. Thank
Speaker 1: you guys for joining us today. Brian's back from Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Nick's back from Super Bowl. You sitting Nick said, Nick,
Speaker 1: I figured something big was happening when I was like
Speaker 1: doing radio. I looked up and Nick was walking by,
Speaker 1: and I said, something's going on here, and he just
Speaker 1: doesn't kind of show up just to be showing up.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked that y'all didn't like, Nick, get
Speaker 1: over here, get on the air. Well, we were on
Speaker 1: and he walked behind us. But Nick, just this is
Speaker 1: the thing about Nick. Here we go. Nick is kind
Speaker 1: of this guy that I was kind of watching him.
Speaker 1: He see, he was swimming laps. He was swimming laps,
Speaker 1: and Nick would start in radio and he'd go behind radio.
Speaker 1: We'd go down to TV, and then he'd come back
Speaker 1: past the gambling folks and then back to radio. So
Speaker 1: Nick was swimming laps in that pool, and I felt
Speaker 1: like that if we asked him to stop that we
Speaker 1: would probably it would not be good for us, because
Speaker 1: he was figuring. He was kind of lurking. He had
Speaker 1: somebody in mind he needed to see. Well, he had
Speaker 1: some Yeah, there were some directives on one thing he
Speaker 1: was trying to was our quarterback. Yeah, the quarterback was
Speaker 1: the quarterback because we were right across from the sleep
Speaker 1: number people. Yeah. And by the way, the sleep number
Speaker 1: of people have a great set up. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they really had a Yeah. It out crazy how nice
Speaker 1: they're set up. I mean, their their platform where they
Speaker 1: brought and they I didn't assue him broadcasts in a
Speaker 1: whole lot. I mean, we're the table broadcasting, which is fine.
Speaker 1: Sleep number is like the studio, you know, they had
Speaker 1: it and every everybody coming to land down talking. Well,
Speaker 1: we were yeah people, it was kind of a fun
Speaker 1: thing to like lay down on the bed and do
Speaker 1: radio while you were doing that. Yeah. Well the thing
Speaker 1: also too is that I'm I'm on one or five
Speaker 1: to three one five three whatever basketball season the three.
Speaker 1: Ye um, they don't want me then. I mean when
Speaker 1: you go to the Super Bowl US with Missus McCaffrey
Speaker 1: showed up. Yeah, well yeah, maybe we're doing little apologize
Speaker 1: and we were doing some of that with Dak as well,
Speaker 1: and that worked out good. But if you love sports
Speaker 1: and particularly football, it's it's unbelievable. We've done that once.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't get old. And to just walk
Speaker 1: around and everybody's got their guys and that that that
Speaker 1: do it for him, you know. And you know when
Speaker 1: when I when I see Tony Dorissette. I saw Tony
Speaker 1: Dodrissette every day of my life from like when I
Speaker 1: was seven years old to fourteen, because I had this poster.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love Tony Rossette and he's sitting now
Speaker 1: with Earl Campbell. But Dionne Wat's my life Joe Montana, Well,
Speaker 1: it never gets old. There's there's sometimes though, where being old,
Speaker 1: like I am, helps you. We interviewed Carl Eller, the
Speaker 1: old Minnesota Viking, and my guys had no idea who
Speaker 1: Carl Eller was wheelchair It was in wilchair. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had his Hall of Fame jacket on. I mean he
Speaker 1: he you know Carl Eller in my time, like growing up,
Speaker 1: he was a menace. I mean him, Harvey Martin, Alan Page,
Speaker 1: you know all these guys. He's Deacon Jones, all these
Speaker 1: great pass rushers. So my guys when he sits down,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of like they're like, oh my guys,
Speaker 1: you're looking at me like, okay, brod, is you got
Speaker 1: to carry this? So now I'm firing questions at him
Speaker 1: about Roger Staubach handling scrambling, what it was like to
Speaker 1: play for Bud Grant, what's it like to stand on
Speaker 1: the sidelines of the boat teams on the same sideline.
Speaker 1: You guys didn't get to wear jackets when it was snowing.
Speaker 1: What was so you know, literally different? Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: like Gavin Goes, Gavin Dawson, and I work with Goes. Okay,
Speaker 1: Carl Well thank you so much, you know, and like
Speaker 1: it was basically a one on one interview with me
Speaker 1: and Carl Eller is what it was. And that's just
Speaker 1: because of growing up and knowing. But Nick's right, sometimes
Speaker 1: you walk around that room and there's so many people
Speaker 1: you don't see everybody. You just kind of you're walking
Speaker 1: and you turn in you're like, oh, I just missed Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I just know you're looking this way. You're looking ahead,
Speaker 1: but over here to your left is somebody. You should
Speaker 1: have probably stopped and said hello to one people. Some
Speaker 1: of the people we did see was that was I
Speaker 1: told Derek and you got a little bit of a
Speaker 1: coaching tree happened here with a lot of former Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys employees rolling around there too, some of the behind
Speaker 1: media guy. Yeah, four or five six people, and the
Speaker 1: ones you mentioned weren't even the four. I was thinking
Speaker 1: that I know that we're gonna be Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: I've just seen four and you guessed four, and they
Speaker 1: were all They were all not the ones I was
Speaker 1: thinking of, but they all sewed up. There's there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that happened during that Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I hear a storytime guy. There's a couple
Speaker 1: time I didn't get to go to Fox How to
Speaker 1: Deal where they had all their talent out. They were
Speaker 1: in a room second floor. You can go talk to
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson and all that and Hellman, Yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so but you know, I mean, And the other
Speaker 1: thing was, I wish I would have been able to
Speaker 1: go because we flew in the Monday night they had
Speaker 1: the big opening for the media. I'd love to have
Speaker 1: seen Andy Reid. I'd love to have gone up and
Speaker 1: talked to Andy Reid again. I had a really great time.
Speaker 1: I got the interview talk to Jimmy Man again. If
Speaker 1: you ever know my stories about Jim McMahon, I was
Speaker 1: his uber driver before there was uber like when he
Speaker 1: would go out drinking and you know, and I used
Speaker 1: to he used meet his wallet and all right, take
Speaker 1: care of everything, Brian, I'm you know, make sure I
Speaker 1: get here. And so I told stories on the air
Speaker 1: about him, and his face lit up remembering these stories,
Speaker 1: and I was so happy because you know, these these players,
Speaker 1: some of the older ones are struggling. You know, they're
Speaker 1: struggling with the bad equipment they played with and the
Speaker 1: concussions and things like that, and I just was so
Speaker 1: happy that I got to see him again and kind
Speaker 1: of relive all those stories. Yeah, I bet, I bet.
Speaker 1: And speaking of happy, I mean, do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about how happy you were when the final score
Speaker 1: of the game the other day? Did you pick it? Well?
Speaker 1: Hold hold on, hold on, hold on. Before we got
Speaker 1: into that, you know, with the NFL going international, we
Speaker 1: have a lot of Cowboys fan craving for Spanish content. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why we were. We were lacking that week.
Speaker 1: So next year we got we gotta make it. I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out how I get in on
Speaker 1: that front. Things about Mica doc Man of the Year,
Speaker 1: you know, they care about that stuff in Spanish. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this. I will tell you this. Nick came
Speaker 1: back from Super Bowl and he's like, hey, man, I
Speaker 1: really think I really think next year we ought to
Speaker 1: consider starting every year to send a crew to Super
Speaker 1: Bowl and let's just get on Radio roll and do
Speaker 1: some content from Radio Row. And as I started thinking
Speaker 1: about it, I was like, you know, all the former
Speaker 1: Cowboys and people related to the Cowboys that are in
Speaker 1: that environment, we could actually do some fun and I
Speaker 1: think we might consider that and we'll see if you
Speaker 1: make that trip can Yeah, because Spanish is not important,
Speaker 1: You'll definitely if we go, you will definitely be there,
Speaker 1: no doubt about you. Yeah, that's what I like hearing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to getting on this whole experience because
Speaker 1: that's the one thing I haven't experienced yet. With the
Speaker 1: cool I'll tell you this. We did it one year.
Speaker 1: One year when the super Bowl was here in Dallas.
Speaker 1: We gotta survive on Radio Row and we and we.
Speaker 1: That was a weird year because we couldn't get there
Speaker 1: every day, but we did do a couple of days.
Speaker 1: We did shows down there, and it was it was
Speaker 1: really cool because there were all these people that were
Speaker 1: walking through And if you're a big fan of the
Speaker 1: NFL and have been a fan for a long time,
Speaker 1: it's cool just because you look up and you do
Speaker 1: notice people that are from your childhood that play that
Speaker 1: are not walking around, and it's just cool to see
Speaker 1: all these people in this one environment. It's similar when
Speaker 1: we went to Hall of Fame and went to Jerry's party.
Speaker 1: It's just all the people that are your childhood idol.
Speaker 1: I think that week everyone is basically in a good mood,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's when you get people to come
Speaker 1: up to you and wanting to talk to you, and
Speaker 1: they're okay with kind of just being friendly. It's a
Speaker 1: whole different environment than during the season you trying to
Speaker 1: get content or whatever. They're all there to push something. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have talking something to talk about something. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: only team that I saw there, I believe, Nick correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, was the Raiders. The Raiders were
Speaker 1: set up back by where TV was for there in
Speaker 1: the corner of the Raiders. But yeah, the Raiders seem
Speaker 1: to go to every one of these things. May have
Speaker 1: a great budget for whatever they're doing. Seriously, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean I see them everywhere everywhere I've ever gone.
Speaker 1: The Raiders guys and gals are kind of hanging out
Speaker 1: there and they're doing content as well. It's but you're right,
Speaker 1: it's it's a great opportunity to meet people, and the
Speaker 1: atmosphere of it is. Yeah, once you get past okay,
Speaker 1: what hot sauce are you pushing, what pork grinds you eating?
Speaker 1: You know, what bed are you sleeping in? You can
Speaker 1: get some really good content. You really can. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about that Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: want to get some opinions, and I really want to
Speaker 1: get it from a Cowboys point of view. Can I
Speaker 1: ask you a question about that? Absolutely? Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't mean to interrupt you, because that's one of my
Speaker 1: questions I had for you guys, And I said this.
Speaker 1: I said one of the things I said, give me
Speaker 1: a trait from the Super Bowl teams you wish the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had when you're watching that game. Give me a
Speaker 1: trait or something that in that game you said, Man,
Speaker 1: I wish the Cowboys had that um Patrick Mahomes's arm trait,
Speaker 1: that they have something the way that maybe that team
Speaker 1: was built or somebody. I'll give you one, and I
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys have it. I just don't think they
Speaker 1: use it, which is how many times did you see
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts on short yardage situations just burrow up the
Speaker 1: middle of the of the offense And I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that could do that. Why don't the Cowboys
Speaker 1: do that more frequently? Because I do think that that's
Speaker 1: something that Dallas has the capability to do. They just don't.
Speaker 1: They're gonna change their rule. They're not changing that rule.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think they're gonna let people push.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I think they're gonna just because
Speaker 1: one team's good at it. You don't change the rule
Speaker 1: because one team's good at it, right, I don't. I
Speaker 1: think the reason to what Nick is talking about, I
Speaker 1: think they're worried about bodies on top of bodies, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't. Football is a leverage game, push, try
Speaker 1: and create space. They're worried about men on top of
Speaker 1: men on top of you know. But I mean I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but they're they're worried about like guys, you know,
Speaker 1: potential knee injuries, back injuries. I know it's blocking. I
Speaker 1: know it's blocking. I could see with the league with
Speaker 1: a competition committee says we're not going to allow you
Speaker 1: to line three guys up behind your quarterback push him
Speaker 1: or any ball carrier it decides to, you know, take
Speaker 1: a snap. I do think that they're worried about that.
Speaker 1: That just that mass of bodies on top of bodies
Speaker 1: to create back problems, knee problems, neck problems, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of I think what you can do is
Speaker 1: you could say eligible players are not allowed to push.
Speaker 1: So if the if running back gets six yards and
Speaker 1: then he gets stopped and then a lineman come in
Speaker 1: and show up, that's maybe that's one thing. But you
Speaker 1: can't just head line. I don't know this. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that's one way to say eligible guys in the
Speaker 1: backfield as a designed play to do that. I just
Speaker 1: have a feeling things happen when the playoff controversy. I
Speaker 1: don't even know if it's a controversy, but when things
Speaker 1: happen when there's a past interference that doesn't get called,
Speaker 1: and you know with the Rams Saints they change it.
Speaker 1: Or if Josh Allen doesn't get a turn in the
Speaker 1: in the postseason, well then they change that rule. Or
Speaker 1: they don't have three quarterbacks, so the Niners don't have
Speaker 1: enough quarterbacks, they're gonna change that rule. So things in
Speaker 1: that happen in the playoffs tend to get changed for
Speaker 1: the competition committee. Yeah, I just don't know if this
Speaker 1: one feels to me like one where you need to
Speaker 1: change it. It's this team was really good at it,
Speaker 1: and like I told you, Nick, when we're talking about
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, the powerful guy. Yeah, but I think I
Speaker 1: think the other part to it, too, is you will
Speaker 1: have this offseason. There will be five, six, seven teams
Speaker 1: that will spend this offseason defensive coordinasal spend this offseason
Speaker 1: figure out how to stop that. Because that's the nature
Speaker 1: of the NFL. You have some team that does something
Speaker 1: extremely well, and particularly the teams that are in that
Speaker 1: division that know they're gonna have to face it twice
Speaker 1: a year, they'll spend this offseason thinking how do we
Speaker 1: stop that? And so it'll it'll solve itself. Well, it's
Speaker 1: just the nature of the NFL. We got into a
Speaker 1: discussion on the radio, why wouldn't Philadelphia go for two
Speaker 1: every play? With that kind of a degree? You know,
Speaker 1: why would you not even try? I mean literally you could.
Speaker 1: You could affect games by every time that you scores
Speaker 1: as much as they score. Don't kick extra points? If
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get a yard two yards every
Speaker 1: single time, why not just you know you're gonna get
Speaker 1: somebody lineup off sides, so because they're gonna probably try
Speaker 1: and stop it. That way, the submarining the things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I like Philly if they're they're so proficient
Speaker 1: at it that you're like I want to go for two.
Speaker 1: I mean, they could literally get two yards every time
Speaker 1: they run that play, you know, and so I could
Speaker 1: see it, you know it. You know, I think you're right, Derek.
Speaker 1: I mean I think they're worried about player's safety and
Speaker 1: that not not that it always matters in players safety
Speaker 1: for them, because the league does things that are incredibly
Speaker 1: stupid for player's safety. But I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those times that they're probably looking at it and going,
Speaker 1: you've created an unfair advantage here, you know, and that's
Speaker 1: we're gonna But that's football, that's you know, you create. Heck,
Speaker 1: Kansas City run ran two plays that's scored that Philadelphia
Speaker 1: didn't even bother to cover. That was an advantage. They
Speaker 1: knew you were playing man coverage and down on the
Speaker 1: goal line, and we're gonna mess with your you know,
Speaker 1: the way you bump and cover and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And so that's what football is all about, really is
Speaker 1: did you have one a trait that you liked from
Speaker 1: the team, A kicker you can trust. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was pretty amazing the way they handled that those last
Speaker 1: few seconds of the game. Absolutely smart. It was the
Speaker 1: right way to do it. Yeah, But I was, and
Speaker 1: that's not even my team, but I was freaking out
Speaker 1: because I'm just getting just get the points, getting tight
Speaker 1: and but no, the way they handled that and just
Speaker 1: being able to trust their kicker in that way, I'm
Speaker 1: my man. I wish we had that um But it
Speaker 1: was pretty impressive, both quarterbacks, everything that they did, even
Speaker 1: Mahomes him coming out what was it the injury when
Speaker 1: he kind of got banged up at been getting back
Speaker 1: there and playing the way that he did that was
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. So and one of the things, it's like
Speaker 1: how fast he gets rid of the ball at times,
Speaker 1: it just boom boom boom. That's another thing I wish
Speaker 1: we kind of had, and Dak has shown signs of
Speaker 1: doing that, but it's just again not consistent enough, not
Speaker 1: in a regular basis where you're constantly being able to
Speaker 1: trust that part of his game. So just the arm,
Speaker 1: the quickness alongside with Hurts ability to kind of escape
Speaker 1: and run and Dac I think he can. He can't
Speaker 1: do those things. You've seen him do those things, but
Speaker 1: just how do you get him to do it week
Speaker 1: to week every game. I wish the trade I wish
Speaker 1: they had was to block Philly the way that Kansas
Speaker 1: City did, the way they can eliminate that pass rush.
Speaker 1: That going into that game, it was going to be
Speaker 1: could they block this front and could they give Mahomes,
Speaker 1: who has banged up, enough time to throw the ball.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned how quickly the ball it's out. Let's
Speaker 1: not act like that. The receivers other than the tight
Speaker 1: end or Kansas City's real weapons. You know, they did
Speaker 1: a great job running the football one and they did
Speaker 1: a really really good job of not letting Hassan Reddick
Speaker 1: kill them in that football game. And they scheme those
Speaker 1: receivers and they scheme those guys open. To me, those
Speaker 1: are the traits if I'm looking, if you're just looking
Speaker 1: to play Philadelphia, I'm like, letting me block them that
Speaker 1: way every every time I play them. That give me
Speaker 1: that ability to neutralize their front. And the thing about Philly,
Speaker 1: and we've all known this because we followed them all year.
Speaker 1: Being a divisional team, Philadelphia scores a lot of points
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. First half, they're one of the best.
Speaker 1: The second half, they were close to losing some games.
Speaker 1: Now you said that all year, Yeah, they will score
Speaker 1: early and then all of a sudden the second half,
Speaker 1: teams kind of figure things out with them, whether they
Speaker 1: take the foot off the gas or they just don't.
Speaker 1: They're not as aggressive as they need to be. But
Speaker 1: that's what got Kansas City back in that game. It
Speaker 1: was a ten point lead, and I was like, going,
Speaker 1: Kensey's got him right what they want him here? Kinsey's
Speaker 1: good here because Philadelphia will not. Philadelphia does not put
Speaker 1: their foot on the gas and try and murder people
Speaker 1: in the second half. The Giants with a team that
Speaker 1: didn't figure it out, they lost three times. But when
Speaker 1: Washington played him again, they beat him. When Dallas played
Speaker 1: him again, they beat him. Obviously Hurts didn't play. But
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy Johnson I believe, said that in the
Speaker 1: middle of the year that maybe Philly teams are going
Speaker 1: to figure them out. But if you look at Andy
Speaker 1: Reid's record at coming off a bye week his whole career,
Speaker 1: I think it's something ridiculous like twenty two and three
Speaker 1: or something like and basically, give him two weeks, which
Speaker 1: is what he had here. Another time to have two weeks,
Speaker 1: you give him that much time, you know, he's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'll say another another aspect, too, is a lot of
Speaker 1: these misdirection plays you see are run off the fact
Speaker 1: of Kelsey. When you have a tight end that can
Speaker 1: line up the way he does, Kittle does it in
Speaker 1: San Francisco, it is an unbelievable weapon. Schultz is a
Speaker 1: good tight end, but you don't use him in a
Speaker 1: way like that where he's not lined up as a receiver,
Speaker 1: or it could hurt you in so many other ways
Speaker 1: that touchdown that Tony caught the first one where he went,
Speaker 1: it's all because of Kelsey. Kelsey's lined up in the slot.
Speaker 1: Who's gonna cover him? Oh my god, he's coming inside.
Speaker 1: Slay's got him. No, everyone's worried about him wide open.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think having a tight end like
Speaker 1: that is a weapon, even when he doesn't even touch
Speaker 1: the ball. Yep. All right, we're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. We're gonna talk a little
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Speaker 1: getting into the Hall of Fame, and I'll ask the
Speaker 1: question Darren Woodson, who did not get in. Was he
Speaker 1: hurt in some respects of getting in because of the
Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys got two other guys? And we'll
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. You know, we're all getting back.
Speaker 1: That's the most exciting thing about the Show's not there
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've got a gonna make that
Speaker 1: for it. Let's talk about the Hall of Fame. Congratulations
Speaker 1: to our guys, to Marcus where Chuck Hally being selected
Speaker 1: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame UM something that
Speaker 1: that I think we all agree to. Marcus's probably due
Speaker 1: last year in his first year of eligibility. Chuck Hally
Speaker 1: waited obviously a very very long time, too long, but
Speaker 1: a guy that that's very deserving. So congratulations to those guys.
Speaker 1: We still wait on on Darren Woodson and uh. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think I've heard several different members
Speaker 1: of the group that votes for the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: talk about Darren Woodson and every time, and what I
Speaker 1: hear in that conversation is Darren Woodson deserves to be in.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get in at some point, whatever reason, it
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened to this point. Do you guys think
Speaker 1: that this year it was him not getting in was
Speaker 1: more of a reflection of the fact that where and
Speaker 1: how he did get in, and it just wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be a year where they were going to put
Speaker 1: three cowboys in at once. Can I say something. I
Speaker 1: was with Darren Woodson on Friday afternoon in a Phoenix
Speaker 1: terminal at the gate and I he was with his
Speaker 1: wife and a small child, and they had to walk
Speaker 1: the small child away because I was cussing so much
Speaker 1: about telling his wife what I thought about the whole situation.
Speaker 1: And Darren just stood there the whole time and smiled.
Speaker 1: You know, he took it a lot better than I
Speaker 1: would have, you know, And I think it I don't
Speaker 1: think it has anything to do. Let me say something
Speaker 1: real quick about Chuck Hally. I think we need to
Speaker 1: do a better job of getting these veteran members in.
Speaker 1: If Chuck Helly was good to be in this time,
Speaker 1: he was good to be in five years ago, ten
Speaker 1: years ago, let's make it. If we're trying to get
Speaker 1: these guys into the Hall of Fame, that they realized
Speaker 1: that they can fully realize the honor that they've been bestowed.
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's times where you get to
Speaker 1: a certain point and you're wondering, age has a factor
Speaker 1: in this, whether you know Chuck hell, hey, I'm in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Well great does he? You know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be sad here anything.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you've got we've got to do a
Speaker 1: better job of when these guys their lives or to
Speaker 1: that point where they they can they can be a
Speaker 1: part of it and enjoy it, enjoy it, you know,
Speaker 1: and enjoy all that. The thing with Darren Woodson is,
Speaker 1: and I will I will say this. I've been rile
Speaker 1: Roy Butler in Green Bay. Darren Woodson's a better player.
Speaker 1: I've seen John Lynch play a bunch. He is a
Speaker 1: better player than John Lynch, you know, Troy Palomolo and
Speaker 1: Ed Reid and those guys. That's to me where Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson is, you know. But he should have gone in
Speaker 1: before Leroy Butler went in, and he should have gone
Speaker 1: in before John Lynch went in. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it has anything to do with a cowboy number of people.
Speaker 1: I just you know, to me, I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like that these voters have a really a great grasp
Speaker 1: of what this football player was. And I'm about Darren Woodson.
Speaker 1: He never came off the field, never, he played on
Speaker 1: all your special teams. He played on all your defensive snaps.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys. He's the all time leading tackler. Am
Speaker 1: I correct about that? Nick in Dallas Cowboy history? Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Think of all the defensive players that are in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, he is the leading tackler of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, a storied franchise. Okay, you have to put
Speaker 1: that guy in and this waiting around and well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, we've got this safety, that safety. No,
Speaker 1: the safeties you're putting in are not as good as
Speaker 1: the safety that's waiting. It's just not. And I've been
Speaker 1: I've been with Leroy Butler, and I love Leroy Butler.
Speaker 1: He's not a better player than Darren Woodson. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: he's not. And so I have a real problem with
Speaker 1: the voters. I really do. And we should be to
Speaker 1: the point now where voters have seen these guys play.
Speaker 1: It's not like we're watching, you know, watching Deacon Jones
Speaker 1: play and we're now having to vote. I really didn't
Speaker 1: see Deacon Jones play. You should know what a great
Speaker 1: player Darren Woodson was, you know. And and the fact
Speaker 1: that he's not in the Hall of Fame right now,
Speaker 1: I thinks as an absolute crime. I really really do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Um, you know obviously that you know that's that
Speaker 1: was he should have happened last year. You know, it's
Speaker 1: another flaw in my opinion of the of the voting
Speaker 1: system of that they're they're trying to I think they're
Speaker 1: really trying to draw a line in the sand about
Speaker 1: who it's the first ballot guy, what isn't and so
Speaker 1: that you know they didn't. I don't think that he
Speaker 1: should have gone in last year because last year's class
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as this year's class. But I just
Speaker 1: think that they're trying to to eliminate that. But I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously deserving. Um. You know, from the very moment he
Speaker 1: started playing football with the Cowboys, it was talked about, well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not ready for the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and Parcels tried to, you know, do that, and obviously
Speaker 1: he is, you know he is now. But I mean
Speaker 1: that was kind of the trajectory of his career was
Speaker 1: could he could he be the next LT for Parcels?
Speaker 1: Could he be a Hall of Famer? And he wasn't
Speaker 1: the next LT. Um who knows if there anyone will be,
Speaker 1: but certainly, uh, you know where it was deserving and
Speaker 1: I think it helped him obviously to go to Denver
Speaker 1: and win a championship there and have von Miller talk
Speaker 1: about how instrumental he was for his career. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know that that obviously deserving. But like he said,
Speaker 1: he knows exactly where he is. He's in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. Um, I don't know if Chuck Hawley does.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows that he's got dementia
Speaker 1: right now. He's eighty something years old. It's unbelievable. You
Speaker 1: said five to ten years, forty years. Yes, he hadn't
Speaker 1: made a play in forty five years. You see, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you're if you're to the point
Speaker 1: where you could be in the Hall, and let me
Speaker 1: let me say something. Guys like Rick Goslin, Sharne Williams, Clark,
Speaker 1: judge people that I know that vote for the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. They're the ones championing Chuck. They're pushing for
Speaker 1: ray Field, right, Bob Hayes, Chuck Halley. And you know
Speaker 1: Rick Goslin is from Detroit, Michigan. He has no biased
Speaker 1: as a Pittsburgh guy or something like what you gotta
Speaker 1: put in Jack Hamm, you gotta put in you know
Speaker 1: this guy, you gotta put in that guy. No, I
Speaker 1: mean they look legitimately you're fighting. But the problem I
Speaker 1: has I think the league is the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Butters have done a better job of trying to right
Speaker 1: some of the wrongs. I think that's why. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson is a wrong. That's a wrong. Right now,
Speaker 1: that that is a wrong. I said it earlier. Trey Paulomalo,
Speaker 1: Ed Reid, those are those are different cats. You know,
Speaker 1: the guys you've put in now were good players. They're
Speaker 1: not as good as this guy. And I and I'm
Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not making a personal thing. I
Speaker 1: competed against this guy. I mean, and I've been with
Speaker 1: great players my my thirteen years of scouting. He is
Speaker 1: the best player I've ever been with. I've been with
Speaker 1: Reggie White. I've been with Reggie White I've been with
Speaker 1: like Brett Farb, I've been with some great players. Ett
Speaker 1: Smith been great players. This guy deserves to be that guy.
Speaker 1: He absolutely deserves coached him one year, says he's one
Speaker 1: of the top five players he's ever coached. And that's
Speaker 1: a lot from a guy like Bill Parcel and Bill
Speaker 1: Bill seen a Ton. You know who number one is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so you know, two, three, and four. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not Jim Burt dot he's in that, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, but nothing gains Jim Burt. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you if he listed as five, Lawrence Taylor,
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin, he loved Curtis, Mary did, I would be there,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't I don't know some of
Speaker 1: the others. I mean, he loved Banks and all that.
Speaker 1: But but but to have Woodson from that group, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Witten, Yeah, I mean yeah, maybe yeah.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. I just I just find it
Speaker 1: so tough, and and Darren Woodson such a class act.
Speaker 1: He's standing there and he's just smiling and literally I
Speaker 1: am losing my mind at a gate at the airport.
Speaker 1: And his poor wife, she did she had to cover
Speaker 1: the little kid's ears. I'm sorry, I apologize I did,
Speaker 1: and she completely agree and understand the whole like where
Speaker 1: the system is messed up as far as like everything
Speaker 1: you just said, Brian. But at the same time, at
Speaker 1: this point, for this year, I'm like, Okay, and this
Speaker 1: may sound and says that because it's not me obviously
Speaker 1: I would won the award this year or give it
Speaker 1: to me now today, But I'm like, what's the big
Speaker 1: deal in a way, because you know you're gonna get it,
Speaker 1: You're you're step closer than you've ever been before. And
Speaker 1: he's not that old, he's still relatively young, and guess
Speaker 1: you want him to get it this year, but it's
Speaker 1: it's like one of those things I would assume next
Speaker 1: year he gets in. You would hop every year. It
Speaker 1: just you think it's gonna happen. It doesn't happen, but
Speaker 1: it just feels like he's closer than he's ever been,
Speaker 1: so at some point it's gonna get there. Very So
Speaker 1: you're right, and my argument is two players win in
Speaker 1: that aren't as good as him. That's my argument. I
Speaker 1: totally see what you're saying. I totally get it that well,
Speaker 1: event she he'll get in. I'm like, Okay, good, he'll
Speaker 1: get in. Well what about these other two guys that
Speaker 1: are good football players, good football players, but not as good.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing that bothers me. It's all about
Speaker 1: it's not the hall of good, it's a hall of great.
Speaker 1: And he is, you know, he's a Darren Woodson is
Speaker 1: a great football player. And Zach Thomas who also played
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys one year. But he's a he's a
Speaker 1: Miami dolphin of course. Uh, he was at this level
Speaker 1: four years in a row. So so it's a kind
Speaker 1: of a process. And that's what Woodson talked about that
Speaker 1: you know, unless you're a first ballot guy you get
Speaker 1: to fifteen. Waited song to get fifteen, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit. Charles Haley took a little bit of
Speaker 1: time to kind of get get but but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying it's it's a process. You're right, it'll it'll happen.
Speaker 1: It'll get there. Um. But he to say that Darren's
Speaker 1: a class act is just I mean, that's just that's
Speaker 1: that's probably the part I think, just talking about a
Speaker 1: football player. I mean, we get he you know, Leroy,
Speaker 1: Butler's a nice guy. John Lynch is a nice guy.
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson's a nice guy. It's about football, It's about
Speaker 1: lining up and playing. He is the all time leading
Speaker 1: tackler for one of the most storied franchises in NFL history,
Speaker 1: and he is waiting to get into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the issue I have, and especially with who's
Speaker 1: ahead of him, who win ahead of him. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the problem I have right now. Well, we will be
Speaker 1: hoping that next year, or the year after, or sometime
Speaker 1: soon he will get his just due, because I think
Speaker 1: I think there's a general consensus among most fans and
Speaker 1: certainly among some of a lot of the people I've
Speaker 1: heard that have done interviews who are on that voting committee,
Speaker 1: that has said Darren Woodson serves to be in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And so I think there's there's kind
Speaker 1: of that general consensus. Like you said, Nick, maybe that's
Speaker 1: just a matter of talking about those exactly get it done.
Speaker 1: Let's be able to celebrate Darren at some point. All Right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break, will come back. Brian's
Speaker 1: got a game for us, He's got some questions. We're
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Speaker 1: final segment of the Break Live from the s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star, Brian, you got a game
Speaker 1: for us? I do, I do? I do? Okay? Age
Speaker 1: coaching situation a NFC East that affects the Cowboys more
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy calling plays, or Philadelphia losing both their coordinators?
Speaker 1: Wait say again, coaching situation a NFC East that affects
Speaker 1: the Cowboys more Mike McCarthy now calling the plays or
Speaker 1: the fact that Philadelphia just lost their two coordinators. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say, Philly, we don't know the replacement. They
Speaker 1: haven't know that both their guys just got the gigs,
Speaker 1: so they're they're trying, they're hunting up to they lost
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator and their defensive coordinator. And then I'm
Speaker 1: trying to ask you here is no no, no, I
Speaker 1: got your question. I was thinking who, because we don't
Speaker 1: know yet. But but I would say probably what's happening
Speaker 1: over there in Philly with those changes. I mean with Mike,
Speaker 1: I don't really fully know how he's gonna be calling
Speaker 1: the place and taking over that whole offense, but you
Speaker 1: know he has the experience and all that he's been
Speaker 1: here for a while now with Philly, those are two
Speaker 1: big changes overall. So I'm curious to see what happens there,
Speaker 1: and the fact that they got to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and you know, people want to pull up the schedules
Speaker 1: that they had, the people that they went up against
Speaker 1: this year and just kind of say, well, they just
Speaker 1: had a favorable schedule. But the reality is they still
Speaker 1: made it to the super Bowl and they still show
Speaker 1: things in the game that we're pretty impressive, and you
Speaker 1: got to give them credit for that. So anytime you
Speaker 1: have changes like that at the coordinator position, you're hoping
Speaker 1: for us the Cowboys that it takes them a whole
Speaker 1: year maybe to kind of get things figure out again
Speaker 1: and just things clicking. So I would say maybe maybe
Speaker 1: that because I see that as a biggest change as
Speaker 1: opposed to Mike calling the plays. Nick, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with the mic call in the plays just because I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, it'll change The Cowboys lost what
Speaker 1: a couple overtime games. They lost some close games, you know,
Speaker 1: an extra series here that's stalled at midfield that they
Speaker 1: could have kicked the field goal or scored a touchdown.
Speaker 1: I think I think calling the plays is going to
Speaker 1: affect a little a few more games, kind of put
Speaker 1: them over the top. I think the Eagles will be good.
Speaker 1: They'll They'll have good coordinators, they have good players, and
Speaker 1: so I think the call in the plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a good question, but I call it the plays.
Speaker 1: I agree with Nick. And the reason why I agree
Speaker 1: with Nick is as long as Harry Roseman is still there,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the coordinators matter of ton Like,
Speaker 1: he's turned over this coaching staff a couple of times
Speaker 1: to go on the Super Bowl with two different staffs,
Speaker 1: So that says to me that it's more about them
Speaker 1: building the players that they need to build. They can
Speaker 1: put in the right guys to be able to do
Speaker 1: what they need to do from a coordinator standpoint, So
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's going to be a huge
Speaker 1: deal for them. I hope. I hope that having Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy called plays is a big change for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We don't know, we'll see, That's what I'm hoping. But
Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is, I just with Philly,
Speaker 1: I think they have the players, so and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bank on the fact that Kim calling the plays will
Speaker 1: help him be a manager of the game even better.
Speaker 1: I think it'll help him. I mean, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Some people think it might hurt. I think it'll help
Speaker 1: him manage the games better. You know what. I'm hopeful.
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful what they will do as they will say,
Speaker 1: give me a game management coach, Give me a guy
Speaker 1: who sits there and manages the game and gets in
Speaker 1: the head coaches here and says, hey, Mike, think about this,
Speaker 1: this is coming up here. Hey Mike, Hey, did you
Speaker 1: notice that the clock is running down on us? So like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let help the coach out so the coach can have
Speaker 1: somebody who is only thinking about game management situations that helps.
Speaker 1: I think every team in the NFL should do it,
Speaker 1: and I don't to this day, don't understand why they
Speaker 1: don't have a game management coach for every team. But
Speaker 1: go ahead, all right, Derek, I'll come back to you
Speaker 1: on this one. Or actually, Nick, I'll cut you in
Speaker 1: this one. Derek just gave a good answer this. So
Speaker 1: you guys all gave great answers by the boy. Thank you,
Speaker 1: uh because you know me, I tell you if you
Speaker 1: didn't give a game would and you wouldn't even wait
Speaker 1: to the got right in the moment. I'm that kind
Speaker 1: of guy. Hard to get along with. All right, Uh, Nick,
Speaker 1: Hardest to get a contract extension from Lamber Diggs? M
Speaker 1: h um, let me ask you this question? Can I
Speaker 1: ask him? I know why you laugh? Can I ask
Speaker 1: this question on our show? Though? Is that fair? Is
Speaker 1: that a fair question? Yeah? I don't have to work
Speaker 1: for I don't want to get this in trouble or anything.
Speaker 1: Oh no, No, hardest to get. Hardest to get a
Speaker 1: contract extension from Lamber dis Yeah. Uh. The first time
Speaker 1: I've actually thought about Diggs, this contract and anything that
Speaker 1: I've done. Um. Sorry, inside joke, that wasn't inside. Uh.
Speaker 1: I think I think Trayvon will be a little tougher
Speaker 1: because I believe that Trayvon is going to be the
Speaker 1: highest paid corner in the NFL. I don't think Lamb
Speaker 1: could could say that, and I think so that being said,
Speaker 1: I think it'll be a little tougher to get Diggs. Plus,
Speaker 1: he's got one year left. He got a couple of
Speaker 1: years for CD that you could work with. So I
Speaker 1: think trey Von, you know his brothers in the league,
Speaker 1: he knows about big deals and all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna try to get the to be
Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive player or cornerback in the league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think it's even more
Speaker 1: complicated by the fact that, you know, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks, you look at a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: You can look at the interceptions, and first year he
Speaker 1: had all those interceptions. This year he didn't quite have
Speaker 1: as many, And those are the kinds of things that
Speaker 1: then turn into negotiating reasons, right, negotiating things that you
Speaker 1: talk about. And so I think it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: little bit of a challenging negotiation. But I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're right, Nick, like, he
Speaker 1: is one of the best in the league. So he's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna set the market, you would think. And
Speaker 1: anytime you got a guy that's gonna set the market,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hard negotiate. It's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be a hard negotiation. A gee. I agree with that
Speaker 1: as well. But with Lamb, just think that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would be more important. Like they're not gonna first, who
Speaker 1: do they have behind Lamb? Nobody else? Who knows who
Speaker 1: they draft and what position, how high. But aside from that,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna let their eighty eight just walk out
Speaker 1: that easily. You know, he's part of the face of
Speaker 1: the franchise right now. So the Cowboys, one thing we
Speaker 1: know is when they want something, they make it happen
Speaker 1: and they get it done. So I think that overall
Speaker 1: they would be more committed into making an investment in
Speaker 1: CD Lamb rather than trevel On Diggs. I worry about
Speaker 1: Diggs trying to get to twenty one million dollars. I
Speaker 1: worry about that because that's what There's three guys that
Speaker 1: make twenty twenty one million dollars in this league. And
Speaker 1: I wonder if the Cowboys really feel like and I'm
Speaker 1: just again, I'm not this is just me talking. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anybody in the Cowboys about this,
Speaker 1: but I would just be curious to see if they
Speaker 1: see him as a twenty twenty one million dollars year player.
Speaker 1: I think they should. Honestly, I think he's I think
Speaker 1: he's one of the best players on this team. And
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the losses they had Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Philly, the guys on the other side were
Speaker 1: giving up place they need to invest in cornerback. Cornerback
Speaker 1: may need to be the first round pick you know,
Speaker 1: or at least if there is one. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the talent looks like there, but but in the
Speaker 1: top few picks because cornerback I think hurt him at
Speaker 1: times this year and he and it could have hurt
Speaker 1: him a lot worse if he's not shutting down half
Speaker 1: of his side. Yeah, And that's that's the point that
Speaker 1: needs to be made about that is in this instance,
Speaker 1: don't get caught up in the interception. Now. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: what he did in the first year is the reason
Speaker 1: why he didn't get his many interceptions this year because
Speaker 1: teams were like, I ain't throwing over there, Like if
Speaker 1: I got option, I'm throwing, I'm throwing somewhere else. And
Speaker 1: that tells you just how good and how respected he
Speaker 1: is as a cornerback. You got a fact of that
Speaker 1: part in is that's not about the numbers. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think they're going to bring him the tackling stuff though, too.
Speaker 1: Oh the tackling. Yeah, I think I just, you know,
Speaker 1: a negotiation like this, when you're talking about all that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, that's everything every you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be harder for Digs. I just do. I just
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna see he's I think Diggs is
Speaker 1: a is a literally dig in guy. I could see
Speaker 1: him digging in and saying, listen, no, I'm worth I'm
Speaker 1: worth more than this. I don't know if you'll see
Speaker 1: him in the off season if if they don't get
Speaker 1: a deal, I could I could see a which isn't
Speaker 1: a huge hold. Autum could be Yeah, that could be tough,
Speaker 1: all right, Derek, Oh gosh. Earliest, the careliest round the
Speaker 1: Cowboys will draft a quarterback? Quarterback? Okay, um, is this
Speaker 1: what I what I think or what I what I want?
Speaker 1: I'm just whatever, however you want to answer that? All right?
Speaker 1: The earliest I think the Cowboys are gonna draft a
Speaker 1: quarterback with all the things they got round, with all
Speaker 1: things they got going on right now where they need
Speaker 1: some reinforcements, I don't think they should do that until
Speaker 1: at the early maybe fourth or fifth round, either one,
Speaker 1: pick one my preference, fifth round. Okay, what do you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do? I think that dispensed on how
Speaker 1: the board falls, Like, I don't know enough about who's
Speaker 1: gonna be there at each round, but I would say
Speaker 1: I was about right. I'll put it like this, if
Speaker 1: they if they had a guy that they really loved
Speaker 1: as earth and it was he was a better value
Speaker 1: than the other round of the other positions, I could
Speaker 1: see him doing his earliest third. Yeah, yeah, Nick, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think the key with the draft always
Speaker 1: is that there's a big there's a big event happening
Speaker 1: before that with free agency, So it is tough to know,
Speaker 1: you know, what happens with Cooper Rush. Do they decide, hey,
Speaker 1: we're keeping him, We're keeping him as as our backup.
Speaker 1: If not, then if he if he goes, if he
Speaker 1: goes somewhere else, fine. But but I'm if they said, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to invest in a backup and have him here,
Speaker 1: then I think that changes is the question a little bit.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, and we talked about this
Speaker 1: on last week's show. Whoever they might draft this year,
Speaker 1: the likelihood they'll be ready to be a backup this
Speaker 1: year is probably really small. Right friends, where you draft them,
Speaker 1: you're not drafting them in the top of the first
Speaker 1: round because you don't have a top first round pick.
Speaker 1: You start talking about anything lower than mid first round,
Speaker 1: it's hard to think they're going to be ready to
Speaker 1: start this year. If I drafted a third round quarterback,
Speaker 1: I would imagine he could be the backup really yeah
Speaker 1: in year one. Yeah, that's why he's in the third round.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the difference between that's the dialogue at
Speaker 1: that is. I think that's I think that's it's more
Speaker 1: likely you could have a guy like that you could
Speaker 1: rely on by year two, three, four, I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you're one, I would want to rely on them
Speaker 1: as a backup in an offense where I have a
Speaker 1: quarterbacks why and I want to run the ball. That's
Speaker 1: why they don't do it. I mean, honestly, that's why
Speaker 1: they don't do it a whole lot because you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't you want your second and third round pick
Speaker 1: to play, right, That's my point. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about you ag? I think that to me personally,
Speaker 1: I would think it all comes down to what that
Speaker 1: he's tied to do in free agency as far as
Speaker 1: other needs are they gonna be investing because otherwise if otherwise,
Speaker 1: if they handle free agency as they have the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, I just find it hard to believe
Speaker 1: that they would invest even a fourth round pick on
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You have so many other needs. You have
Speaker 1: a lot of key guys that are about to become
Speaker 1: free agents for the Cowboys, so to me, I have
Speaker 1: even though Jerry came out and said that they're planning
Speaker 1: on drafting a quarterback every year now. So but I
Speaker 1: would say if they do, it would be fifth or up.
Speaker 1: Would this be a weird draft if they take a
Speaker 1: running back in the first round and a quarterback in
Speaker 1: the third? How would you look at that? Like? Okay,
Speaker 1: say like it take Bijean Robinson, say you move on
Speaker 1: from Zeke and you move on Frodcain. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to get rid of Zke care. I'm just telling I'm
Speaker 1: just doing a show here, not trying to like doing
Speaker 1: just doing a show. Let's get that, you know. I'm
Speaker 1: not Dallas Cowboys, not calm, trying to get rid of
Speaker 1: players there. But if they move on, yeah I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I mean, I really am. But if they move on,
Speaker 1: we need disclaimers around here. We do do well. That's
Speaker 1: the problem here. Does he need to let everybody know,
Speaker 1: by the way, we've been doing this for twenty something year.
Speaker 1: But just in case you didn't know, love Ze everyone
Speaker 1: just doing shows. We're just doing a show. Contract money.
Speaker 1: We're just doing shows. Trust me. Really, we love these guys.
Speaker 1: I'll say he needs they need to cut him, they do.
Speaker 1: They need to move on Zeke. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: need to move on. I'm sorry they have to say.
Speaker 1: I know, but but but even Steven said it the
Speaker 1: other day. Even Steven like that. He said it the
Speaker 1: other day show what do you say? What? He said, Hey,
Speaker 1: we love Zeke, we love Zeke. He did the whole
Speaker 1: brilliant thing with but he also said hey, but he said, hey,
Speaker 1: he's he's got it. It's got to work. It's got
Speaker 1: to work for both of us. And and if you
Speaker 1: cut him down to five million a year, which would
Speaker 1: be a big cut, that still doesn't look that's still
Speaker 1: too much for what he's gonna give you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard gets hurt before halftime and it was over.
Speaker 1: It was over. They had no shot to win and
Speaker 1: move the ball because they didn't have any weapons. And
Speaker 1: you've got to have some weapons. And so I think
Speaker 1: you have to draft someone first or second round. That
Speaker 1: guy's here, Pollard's here. Your third back, Malik Davids was
Speaker 1: making eight hundred thousand. Yeah, that's what the third back
Speaker 1: is supposed to make, so it's hard to do it
Speaker 1: on the under the constraints of salary. They won't do
Speaker 1: it to Zeke because they respect him too much. But
Speaker 1: the league minimum is what they want to pay for
Speaker 1: the third back, and I don't think they they have.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to. I mean, it's like it's like
Speaker 1: given a tip for a dollar. If you're not gonna tip,
Speaker 1: just don't tip. Don't don't do that and then set them.
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll do it. You think that five
Speaker 1: millions too much. It depends on the role. Let's assume
Speaker 1: for a second. Let's assume for a second, but let
Speaker 1: me say, let's assume for a second that they draft
Speaker 1: Bijan Robinson in the first round, and let's also the
Speaker 1: horns up. I mean, for that, of course you would
Speaker 1: and let's just I though he's that wouldn't even be appropriate. Um,
Speaker 1: but let's also but let's also assume that they don't
Speaker 1: put the franchise tag on Polar and Polar ends up leaving. Oh. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're in that circumstance where Bijandre top guy, and
Speaker 1: you want to keep Zeke around and you're paying five
Speaker 1: million dollars, I feel good about that. I'm okay with that. However,
Speaker 1: how much is the tag again ten point one? It's
Speaker 1: like stealing money, like that's so that you have to
Speaker 1: do it. The thing about that is it doesn't work
Speaker 1: that I know, because the timing doesn't work. You have
Speaker 1: to make that. Yeah, I get that. All I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: let's assume they decide that they're not going to use
Speaker 1: the franchise tag on him, and then they would be
Speaker 1: in that situation because I do think Tommy Pollard would
Speaker 1: get probably more money in free agency than the Cowboys
Speaker 1: would maybe be willing to pay a running back. That
Speaker 1: being said, I guess that would be a scenario where
Speaker 1: I'd be like five million for Zeke. I feel like
Speaker 1: that's okay, But I agree with you. I think the
Speaker 1: delicate balance is, and it should be, they respect him
Speaker 1: too much to give him a low ball offer. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna say, hey, Zeke, we'll pay you three hundred,
Speaker 1: we'll pay you three million, we'll pay you five hundred,
Speaker 1: will pay eight hundred thousand. They're not gonna do that
Speaker 1: to Zeke. And so if he's the third running back,
Speaker 1: just the dynamics of the salary cap says, you can't
Speaker 1: pay your third running back five million dollars. That just
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And the only thing maybe is if
Speaker 1: they keep him, they cut him down pretty pretty good
Speaker 1: and then they don't draft until like the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Then that and that guy will be an all pro.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, See the thing about it, it's interesting with
Speaker 1: these running backs the way and again the draft show
Speaker 1: coming up next h over time that I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to carry this thing to the draft shows just real
Speaker 1: quick though. Yeah, I've got nowhere to go. I know
Speaker 1: you guys like switch it, but okay, so I'll finish
Speaker 1: up with this. I'll finish up with this one. Though.
Speaker 1: This running back class is extremely deep. I might gamble here.
Speaker 1: I might gamble. I might let Pollard walk and try
Speaker 1: and sign him but to a lower number other than
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. And I might and I might. Just
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on from Zeke because I feel like
Speaker 1: the depth of this draft that running back will allow
Speaker 1: me to if I get wiped out where Zeke's gone,
Speaker 1: Pollard's gone, I know now I'm gonna go draft one
Speaker 1: of these kids because there might be a situation with
Speaker 1: Pollard might get out in the free agency and people
Speaker 1: go and he's a good player, but he's not as
Speaker 1: good as Jamar Gibbs from Alabama ice crutches. Yeah he's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not. He's not as good as Zach Evan.
Speaker 1: There are teams that might not be willing to pay
Speaker 1: any running back exactly, exactly exactly. That's as we were
Speaker 1: having this come or listening to you guys talk about
Speaker 1: those two guys. In my mind, I'm starting to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: if I could trust the Cowboys to really use that
Speaker 1: money somewhere else and not be something similar as we
Speaker 1: saw after the Amark Cooper trade, I would I would
Speaker 1: try to cut them and find some money is yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, like even on offense, I'm trying to look
Speaker 1: where can I really put some investment here, because I
Speaker 1: do believe with the old line doing their job, you
Speaker 1: can't plug in and I know it's not that easy sometimes,
Speaker 1: but you can plug in a good running back that's young,
Speaker 1: and it would work for them if you have Dak
Speaker 1: healthy doing everything he needs to do, the old line
Speaker 1: kind of working and healthy as well. All you need
Speaker 1: is to really add weapons that can really go down
Speaker 1: the field and just have a younger person there at
Speaker 1: running back and make it work. And we say we
Speaker 1: saw it with Malik Davis, and I agree with Nick.
Speaker 1: When Paula got hurt and he went out, they just couldn't.
Speaker 1: That was game over. But if you got ready and
Speaker 1: prepare yourself for that, I think they can. They can
Speaker 1: truly make it work. Yeah, you look at roster construction.
Speaker 1: I saw this graphic the other day, the running back
Speaker 1: the top running back for the last I think I
Speaker 1: would say it was like ten or fifteen super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning teams. Yeah, they're making no money at all. And
Speaker 1: it's because you can, like the Chiefs, if you've got
Speaker 1: the right checks everywhere else but check go was mine right.
Speaker 1: He was able to do the job. And the running
Speaker 1: back position in the NFL is so much about juice.
Speaker 1: Do you have juice in your legs? Can you? Can?
Speaker 1: You make things happen when you need to. And it's
Speaker 1: what we saw from Tony Pollard this year. And Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard wasn't a first round draft pick. You know, you
Speaker 1: can get a guy who's younger, you can get a
Speaker 1: guy who is a lower draft pick, and you can
Speaker 1: get some good production, good enough production to win at
Speaker 1: the running back position. Which is another reason why it
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense if you're gonna pay especial if
Speaker 1: you're gonna put the franchise tag on Tony Pollard, to
Speaker 1: then have to go back and pay a significant amount
Speaker 1: of money to Zeke. That just it doesn't work in
Speaker 1: today's financial part of the NFL. I don't think they
Speaker 1: would have to cut his salary significantly to make it
Speaker 1: really well, we might not be able to cut it
Speaker 1: enough enough. Right, all right, appreciate you guys joining us.
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