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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, Brian brought us, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, February fifteenth, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Season eighteen, episode number one sixteen. Welcome to the latest

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Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We're life in s WBC Mortgage

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Speaker 1: Studios at the Star. We are presented by Miller like

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Speaker 1: the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. And there's nothing,

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing that settles me more. And when I get

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Speaker 1: everybody back in studio together again, feels like home. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for joining us today. Brian's back from Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Nick's back from Super Bowl. You sitting Nick said, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I figured something big was happening when I was like

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Speaker 1: doing radio. I looked up and Nick was walking by,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of shocked that y'all didn't like, Nick, get

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Speaker 1: over here, get on the air. Well, we were on

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Speaker 1: and he walked behind us. But Nick, just this is

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Speaker 1: the thing about Nick. Here we go. Nick is kind

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Speaker 1: He see, he was swimming laps. He was swimming laps,

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Speaker 1: and Nick would start in radio and he'd go behind radio.

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Speaker 1: We'd go down to TV, and then he'd come back

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Speaker 1: Nick was swimming laps in that pool, and I felt

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Speaker 1: like that if we asked him to stop that we

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Speaker 1: he was figuring. He was kind of lurking. He had

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Speaker 1: somebody in mind he needed to see. Well, he had

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Speaker 1: some Yeah, there were some directives on one thing he

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Speaker 1: was trying to was our quarterback. Yeah, the quarterback was

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Speaker 1: Sleep number is like the studio, you know, they had

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Speaker 1: it and every everybody coming to land down talking. Well,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't get old. And to just walk

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Speaker 1: Dodrissette every day of my life from like when I

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Speaker 1: it's cool just because you look up and you do

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Speaker 1: to our guys, to Marcus where Chuck Hally being selected

427
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 1: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame UM something that

428
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: that I think we all agree to. Marcus's probably due

429
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: last year in his first year of eligibility. Chuck Hally

430
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: waited obviously a very very long time, too long, but

431
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 1: a guy that that's very deserving. So congratulations to those guys.

432
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 1: We still wait on on Darren Woodson and uh. And

433
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think I've heard several different members

434
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: of the group that votes for the Hall of Fame

435
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: talk about Darren Woodson and every time, and what I

436
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 1: hear in that conversation is Darren Woodson deserves to be in.

437
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: He's gonna get in at some point, whatever reason, it

438
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,120
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened to this point. Do you guys think

439
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: that this year it was him not getting in was

440
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: more of a reflection of the fact that where and

441
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: how he did get in, and it just wasn't going

442
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: to be a year where they were going to put

443
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: three cowboys in at once. Can I say something. I

444
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: was with Darren Woodson on Friday afternoon in a Phoenix

445
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: terminal at the gate and I he was with his

446
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 1: wife and a small child, and they had to walk

447
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 1: the small child away because I was cussing so much

448
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: about telling his wife what I thought about the whole situation.

449
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: And Darren just stood there the whole time and smiled.

450
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 1: You know, he took it a lot better than I

451
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: would have, you know, And I think it I don't

452
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 1: think it has anything to do. Let me say something

453
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: real quick about Chuck Hally. I think we need to

454
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: do a better job of getting these veteran members in.

455
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: If Chuck Helly was good to be in this time,

456
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: he was good to be in five years ago, ten

457
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 1: years ago, let's make it. If we're trying to get

458
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: these guys into the Hall of Fame, that they realized

459
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: that they can fully realize the honor that they've been bestowed.

460
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's times where you get to

461
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: a certain point and you're wondering, age has a factor

462
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: in this, whether you know Chuck hell, hey, I'm in

463
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, Well great does he? You know.

464
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to be sad here anything.

465
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you've got we've got to do a

466
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: better job of when these guys their lives or to

467
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: that point where they they can they can be a

468
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: part of it and enjoy it, enjoy it, you know,

469
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 1: and enjoy all that. The thing with Darren Woodson is,

470
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: and I will I will say this. I've been rile

471
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Roy Butler in Green Bay. Darren Woodson's a better player.

472
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,719
Speaker 1: I've seen John Lynch play a bunch. He is a

473
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: better player than John Lynch, you know, Troy Palomolo and

474
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Ed Reid and those guys. That's to me where Darren

475
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: Woodson is, you know. But he should have gone in

476
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: before Leroy Butler went in, and he should have gone

477
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: in before John Lynch went in. And I don't think

478
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: it has anything to do with a cowboy number of people.

479
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: I just you know, to me, I just don't feel

480
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: like that these voters have a really a great grasp

481
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: of what this football player was. And I'm about Darren Woodson.

482
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 1: He never came off the field, never, he played on

483
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: all your special teams. He played on all your defensive snaps.

484
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: The Dallas Cowboys. He's the all time leading tackler. Am

485
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: I correct about that? Nick in Dallas Cowboy history? Dallas Cowboys.

486
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 1: Think of all the defensive players that are in the

487
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, he is the leading tackler of the

488
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, a storied franchise. Okay, you have to put

489
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: that guy in and this waiting around and well, I

490
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: don't know. Well, we've got this safety, that safety. No,

491
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: the safeties you're putting in are not as good as

492
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: the safety that's waiting. It's just not. And I've been

493
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: I've been with Leroy Butler, and I love Leroy Butler.

494
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: He's not a better player than Darren Woodson. I'm sorry

495
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: he's not. And so I have a real problem with

496
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: the voters. I really do. And we should be to

497
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: the point now where voters have seen these guys play.

498
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: It's not like we're watching, you know, watching Deacon Jones

499
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: play and we're now having to vote. I really didn't

500
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: see Deacon Jones play. You should know what a great

501
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: player Darren Woodson was, you know. And and the fact

502
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: that he's not in the Hall of Fame right now,

503
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I thinks as an absolute crime. I really really do. Yeah,

504
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Um, you know obviously that you know that's that

505
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 1: was he should have happened last year. You know, it's

506
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: another flaw in my opinion of the of the voting

507
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: system of that they're they're trying to I think they're

508
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: really trying to draw a line in the sand about

509
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: who it's the first ballot guy, what isn't and so

510
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: that you know they didn't. I don't think that he

511
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: should have gone in last year because last year's class

512
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: wasn't as good as this year's class. But I just

513
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: think that they're trying to to eliminate that. But I mean,

514
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: obviously deserving. Um. You know, from the very moment he

515
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 1: started playing football with the Cowboys, it was talked about, well,

516
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, he's not ready for the Hall of Fame,

517
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 1: and Parcels tried to, you know, do that, and obviously

518
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: he is, you know he is now. But I mean

519
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: that was kind of the trajectory of his career was

520
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: could he could he be the next LT for Parcels?

521
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: Could he be a Hall of Famer? And he wasn't

522
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: the next LT. Um who knows if there anyone will be,

523
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: but certainly, uh, you know where it was deserving and

524
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: I think it helped him obviously to go to Denver

525
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: and win a championship there and have von Miller talk

526
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: about how instrumental he was for his career. So, um,

527
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: you know that that obviously deserving. But like he said,

528
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: he knows exactly where he is. He's in the Hall

529
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,959
Speaker 1: of Fame. Um, I don't know if Chuck Hawley does.

530
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knows that he's got dementia

531
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: right now. He's eighty something years old. It's unbelievable. You

532
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: said five to ten years, forty years. Yes, he hadn't

533
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 1: made a play in forty five years. You see, That's

534
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you're if you're to the point

535
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: where you could be in the Hall, and let me

536
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: let me say something. Guys like Rick Goslin, Sharne Williams, Clark,

537
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: judge people that I know that vote for the Hall

538
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: of Fame. They're the ones championing Chuck. They're pushing for

539
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: ray Field, right, Bob Hayes, Chuck Halley. And you know

540
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Rick Goslin is from Detroit, Michigan. He has no biased

541
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: as a Pittsburgh guy or something like what you gotta

542
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: put in Jack Hamm, you gotta put in you know

543
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: this guy, you gotta put in that guy. No, I

544
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: mean they look legitimately you're fighting. But the problem I

545
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: has I think the league is the Hall of Fame.

546
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: Butters have done a better job of trying to right

547
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: some of the wrongs. I think that's why. Now, Yeah,

548
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson is a wrong. That's a wrong. Right now,

549
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: that that is a wrong. I said it earlier. Trey Paulomalo,

550
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: Ed Reid, those are those are different cats. You know,

551
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: the guys you've put in now were good players. They're

552
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: not as good as this guy. And I and I'm

553
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: and I don't I'm not making a personal thing. I

554
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: competed against this guy. I mean, and I've been with

555
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: great players my my thirteen years of scouting. He is

556
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: the best player I've ever been with. I've been with

557
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Reggie White. I've been with Reggie White I've been with

558
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: like Brett Farb, I've been with some great players. Ett

559
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Smith been great players. This guy deserves to be that guy.

560
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: He absolutely deserves coached him one year, says he's one

561
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: of the top five players he's ever coached. And that's

562
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: a lot from a guy like Bill Parcel and Bill

563
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Bill seen a Ton. You know who number one is? Yeah,

564
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: And so you know, two, three, and four. I mean,

565
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm not Jim Burt dot he's in that, but you know,

566
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: I mean, but nothing gains Jim Burt. Yeah, I mean,

567
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you if he listed as five, Lawrence Taylor,

568
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: Curtis Martin, he loved Curtis, Mary did, I would be there,

569
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't I don't know some of

570
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: the others. I mean, he loved Banks and all that.

571
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: But but but to have Woodson from that group, yeah,

572
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Witten, Yeah, I mean yeah, maybe yeah.

573
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. I just I just find it

574
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: so tough, and and Darren Woodson such a class act.

575
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: He's standing there and he's just smiling and literally I

576
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: am losing my mind at a gate at the airport.

577
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: And his poor wife, she did she had to cover

578
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: the little kid's ears. I'm sorry, I apologize I did,

579
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: and she completely agree and understand the whole like where

580
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: the system is messed up as far as like everything

581
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: you just said, Brian. But at the same time, at

582
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: this point, for this year, I'm like, Okay, and this

583
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: may sound and says that because it's not me obviously

584
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: I would won the award this year or give it

585
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: to me now today, But I'm like, what's the big

586
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: deal in a way, because you know you're gonna get it,

587
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: You're you're step closer than you've ever been before. And

588
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: he's not that old, he's still relatively young, and guess

589
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: you want him to get it this year, but it's

590
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: it's like one of those things I would assume next

591
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: year he gets in. You would hop every year. It

592
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: just you think it's gonna happen. It doesn't happen, but

593
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: it just feels like he's closer than he's ever been,

594
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: so at some point it's gonna get there. Very So

595
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: you're right, and my argument is two players win in

596
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: that aren't as good as him. That's my argument. I

597
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: totally see what you're saying. I totally get it that well,

598
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: event she he'll get in. I'm like, Okay, good, he'll

599
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: get in. Well what about these other two guys that

600
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: are good football players, good football players, but not as good.

601
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: See that's the thing that bothers me. It's all about

602
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: it's not the hall of good, it's a hall of great.

603
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: And he is, you know, he's a Darren Woodson is

604
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: a great football player. And Zach Thomas who also played

605
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys one year. But he's a he's a

606
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Miami dolphin of course. Uh, he was at this level

607
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: four years in a row. So so it's a kind

608
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: of a process. And that's what Woodson talked about that

609
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, unless you're a first ballot guy you get

610
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen. Waited song to get fifteen, it's gonna be

611
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. Charles Haley took a little bit of

612
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: time to kind of get get but but I'm just

613
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: saying it's it's a process. You're right, it'll it'll happen.

614
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: It'll get there. Um. But he to say that Darren's

615
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: a class act is just I mean, that's just that's

616
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: that's probably the part I think, just talking about a

617
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: football player. I mean, we get he you know, Leroy,

618
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: Butler's a nice guy. John Lynch is a nice guy.

619
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson's a nice guy. It's about football, It's about

620
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: lining up and playing. He is the all time leading

621
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: tackler for one of the most storied franchises in NFL history,

622
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: and he is waiting to get into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

623
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: that's that's the issue I have, and especially with who's

624
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: ahead of him, who win ahead of him. Yeah, that's

625
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: the problem I have right now. Well, we will be

626
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: hoping that next year, or the year after, or sometime

627
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: soon he will get his just due, because I think

628
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I think there's a general consensus among most fans and

629
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: certainly among some of a lot of the people I've

630
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: heard that have done interviews who are on that voting committee,

631
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: that has said Darren Woodson serves to be in the

632
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And so I think there's there's kind

633
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: of that general consensus. Like you said, Nick, maybe that's

634
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: just a matter of talking about those exactly get it done.

635
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Let's be able to celebrate Darren at some point. All Right,

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Speaker 1: final segment of the Break Live from the s WBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage studios at the Star, Brian, you got a game

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Speaker 1: for us? I do, I do? I do? Okay? Age

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Speaker 1: coaching situation a NFC East that affects the Cowboys more

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy calling plays, or Philadelphia losing both their coordinators?

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Speaker 1: Wait say again, coaching situation a NFC East that affects

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys more Mike McCarthy now calling the plays or

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Speaker 1: the fact that Philadelphia just lost their two coordinators. Um,

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Speaker 1: I would say, Philly, we don't know the replacement. They

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Speaker 1: haven't know that both their guys just got the gigs,

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Speaker 1: so they're they're trying, they're hunting up to they lost

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Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator and their defensive coordinator. And then I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to ask you here is no no, no, I

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Speaker 1: got your question. I was thinking who, because we don't

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Speaker 1: know yet. But but I would say probably what's happening

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Speaker 1: over there in Philly with those changes. I mean with Mike,

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Speaker 1: I don't really fully know how he's gonna be calling

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Speaker 1: the place and taking over that whole offense, but you

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Speaker 1: know he has the experience and all that he's been

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Speaker 1: here for a while now with Philly, those are two

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Speaker 1: big changes overall. So I'm curious to see what happens there,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that they got to the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people want to pull up the schedules

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Speaker 1: that they had, the people that they went up against

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Speaker 1: this year and just kind of say, well, they just

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Speaker 1: had a favorable schedule. But the reality is they still

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Speaker 1: made it to the super Bowl and they still show

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Speaker 1: things in the game that we're pretty impressive, and you

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Speaker 1: got to give them credit for that. So anytime you

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Speaker 1: have changes like that at the coordinator position, you're hoping

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Speaker 1: for us the Cowboys that it takes them a whole

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Speaker 1: year maybe to kind of get things figure out again

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Speaker 1: and just things clicking. So I would say maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: that because I see that as a biggest change as

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Speaker 1: opposed to Mike calling the plays. Nick, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with the mic call in the plays just because I

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Speaker 1: think that, you know, it'll change The Cowboys lost what

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Speaker 1: a couple overtime games. They lost some close games, you know,

714
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: an extra series here that's stalled at midfield that they

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00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: could have kicked the field goal or scored a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I think I think calling the plays is going to

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Speaker 1: affect a little a few more games, kind of put

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Speaker 1: them over the top. I think the Eagles will be good.

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Speaker 1: They'll They'll have good coordinators, they have good players, and

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Speaker 1: so I think the call in the plays. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a good question, but I call it the plays.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Nick. And the reason why I agree

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Speaker 1: with Nick is as long as Harry Roseman is still there,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the coordinators matter of ton Like,

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Speaker 1: he's turned over this coaching staff a couple of times

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Speaker 1: to go on the Super Bowl with two different staffs,

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Speaker 1: So that says to me that it's more about them

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Speaker 1: building the players that they need to build. They can

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Speaker 1: put in the right guys to be able to do

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Speaker 1: what they need to do from a coordinator standpoint, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's going to be a huge

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Speaker 1: deal for them. I hope. I hope that having Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy called plays is a big change for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, we'll see, That's what I'm hoping. But

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Speaker 1: but the fact of the matter is, I just with Philly,

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Speaker 1: I think they have the players, so and I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: bank on the fact that Kim calling the plays will

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Speaker 1: help him be a manager of the game even better.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll help him. I mean, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Some people think it might hurt. I think it'll help

741
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Speaker 1: him manage the games better. You know what. I'm hopeful.

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Speaker 1: I'm hopeful what they will do as they will say,

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Speaker 1: give me a game management coach, Give me a guy

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Speaker 1: who sits there and manages the game and gets in

745
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Speaker 1: the head coaches here and says, hey, Mike, think about this,

746
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Speaker 1: this is coming up here. Hey Mike, Hey, did you

747
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: notice that the clock is running down on us? So like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let help the coach out so the coach can have

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Speaker 1: somebody who is only thinking about game management situations that helps.

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Speaker 1: I think every team in the NFL should do it,

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Speaker 1: and I don't to this day, don't understand why they

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Speaker 1: don't have a game management coach for every team. But

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Speaker 1: go ahead, all right, Derek, I'll come back to you

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Speaker 1: on this one. Or actually, Nick, I'll cut you in

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Speaker 1: this one. Derek just gave a good answer this. So

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Speaker 1: you guys all gave great answers by the boy. Thank you,

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00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: uh because you know me, I tell you if you

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Speaker 1: didn't give a game would and you wouldn't even wait

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Speaker 1: to the got right in the moment. I'm that kind

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Speaker 1: of guy. Hard to get along with. All right, Uh, Nick,

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Speaker 1: Hardest to get a contract extension from Lamber Diggs? M

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Speaker 1: h um, let me ask you this question? Can I

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Speaker 1: ask him? I know why you laugh? Can I ask

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Speaker 1: this question on our show? Though? Is that fair? Is

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Speaker 1: that a fair question? Yeah? I don't have to work

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Speaker 1: for I don't want to get this in trouble or anything.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, No, hardest to get. Hardest to get a

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Speaker 1: contract extension from Lamber dis Yeah. Uh. The first time

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Speaker 1: I've actually thought about Diggs, this contract and anything that

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Speaker 1: I've done. Um. Sorry, inside joke, that wasn't inside. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Trayvon will be a little tougher

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Speaker 1: because I believe that Trayvon is going to be the

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Speaker 1: highest paid corner in the NFL. I don't think Lamb

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00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: could could say that, and I think so that being said,

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be a little tougher to get Diggs. Plus,

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Speaker 1: he's got one year left. He got a couple of

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Speaker 1: years for CD that you could work with. So I

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Speaker 1: think trey Von, you know his brothers in the league,

779
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Speaker 1: he knows about big deals and all that stuff. I

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00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna try to get the to be

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Speaker 1: the highest paid defensive player or cornerback in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, and I think it's even more

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Speaker 1: complicated by the fact that, you know, when you start

784
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Speaker 1: talking about cornerbacks, you look at a lot of different things.

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Speaker 1: You can look at the interceptions, and first year he

786
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Speaker 1: had all those interceptions. This year he didn't quite have

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Speaker 1: as many, And those are the kinds of things that

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Speaker 1: then turn into negotiating reasons, right, negotiating things that you

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Speaker 1: talk about. And so I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a challenging negotiation. But I think at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're right, Nick, like, he

792
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Speaker 1: is one of the best in the league. So he's

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Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna set the market, you would think. And

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Speaker 1: anytime you got a guy that's gonna set the market,

795
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hard negotiate. It's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be a hard negotiation. A gee. I agree with that

797
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Speaker 1: as well. But with Lamb, just think that the Cowboys

798
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Speaker 1: would be more important. Like they're not gonna first, who

799
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Speaker 1: do they have behind Lamb? Nobody else? Who knows who

800
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Speaker 1: they draft and what position, how high. But aside from that,

801
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna let their eighty eight just walk out

802
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Speaker 1: that easily. You know, he's part of the face of

803
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Speaker 1: the franchise right now. So the Cowboys, one thing we

804
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: know is when they want something, they make it happen

805
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: and they get it done. So I think that overall

806
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Speaker 1: they would be more committed into making an investment in

807
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Speaker 1: CD Lamb rather than trevel On Diggs. I worry about

808
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Speaker 1: Diggs trying to get to twenty one million dollars. I

809
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Speaker 1: worry about that because that's what There's three guys that

810
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Speaker 1: make twenty twenty one million dollars in this league. And

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Speaker 1: I wonder if the Cowboys really feel like and I'm

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Speaker 1: just again, I'm not this is just me talking. I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I haven't talked to anybody in the Cowboys about this,

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Speaker 1: but I would just be curious to see if they

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Speaker 1: see him as a twenty twenty one million dollars year player.

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Speaker 1: I think they should. Honestly, I think he's I think

817
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Speaker 1: he's one of the best players on this team. And

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at the losses they had Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Philly, the guys on the other side were

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Speaker 1: giving up place they need to invest in cornerback. Cornerback

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Speaker 1: may need to be the first round pick you know,

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Speaker 1: or at least if there is one. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the talent looks like there, but but in the

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Speaker 1: top few picks because cornerback I think hurt him at

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Speaker 1: times this year and he and it could have hurt

826
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Speaker 1: him a lot worse if he's not shutting down half

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Speaker 1: of his side. Yeah, And that's that's the point that

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Speaker 1: needs to be made about that is in this instance,

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Speaker 1: don't get caught up in the interception. Now. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: what he did in the first year is the reason

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Speaker 1: why he didn't get his many interceptions this year because

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Speaker 1: teams were like, I ain't throwing over there, Like if

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Speaker 1: I got option, I'm throwing, I'm throwing somewhere else. And

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Speaker 1: that tells you just how good and how respected he

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Speaker 1: is as a cornerback. You got a fact of that

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Speaker 1: part in is that's not about the numbers. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to bring him the tackling stuff though, too.

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Speaker 1: Oh the tackling. Yeah, I think I just, you know,

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Speaker 1: a negotiation like this, when you're talking about all that stuff,

840
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Speaker 1: you know, that's everything every you know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be harder for Digs. I just do. I just

842
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: feel like he's gonna see he's I think Diggs is

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Speaker 1: a is a literally dig in guy. I could see

844
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Speaker 1: him digging in and saying, listen, no, I'm worth I'm

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Speaker 1: worth more than this. I don't know if you'll see

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00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: him in the off season if if they don't get

847
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: a deal, I could I could see a which isn't

848
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: a huge hold. Autum could be Yeah, that could be tough,

849
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: all right, Derek, Oh gosh. Earliest, the careliest round the

850
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys will draft a quarterback? Quarterback? Okay, um, is this

851
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: what I what I think or what I what I want?

852
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm just whatever, however you want to answer that? All right?

853
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: The earliest I think the Cowboys are gonna draft a

854
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: quarterback with all the things they got round, with all

855
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: things they got going on right now where they need

856
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: some reinforcements, I don't think they should do that until

857
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: at the early maybe fourth or fifth round, either one,

858
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: pick one my preference, fifth round. Okay, what do you

859
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: think they're gonna do? I think that dispensed on how

860
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: the board falls, Like, I don't know enough about who's

861
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna be there at each round, but I would say

862
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: I was about right. I'll put it like this, if

863
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: they if they had a guy that they really loved

864
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: as earth and it was he was a better value

865
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: than the other round of the other positions, I could

866
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: see him doing his earliest third. Yeah, yeah, Nick, Well,

867
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: I think I think the key with the draft always

868
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: is that there's a big there's a big event happening

869
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: before that with free agency, So it is tough to know,

870
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, what happens with Cooper Rush. Do they decide, hey,

871
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: we're keeping him, We're keeping him as as our backup.

872
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: If not, then if he if he goes, if he

873
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: goes somewhere else, fine. But but I'm if they said, hey,

874
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: we're going to invest in a backup and have him here,

875
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: then I think that changes is the question a little bit.

876
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: But here's the thing though, and we talked about this

877
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: on last week's show. Whoever they might draft this year,

878
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: the likelihood they'll be ready to be a backup this

879
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: year is probably really small. Right friends, where you draft them,

880
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: you're not drafting them in the top of the first

881
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: round because you don't have a top first round pick.

882
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: You start talking about anything lower than mid first round,

883
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: it's hard to think they're going to be ready to

884
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: start this year. If I drafted a third round quarterback,

885
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: I would imagine he could be the backup really yeah

886
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 1: in year one. Yeah, that's why he's in the third round.

887
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the difference between that's the dialogue at

888
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: that is. I think that's I think that's it's more

889
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: likely you could have a guy like that you could

890
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: rely on by year two, three, four, I don't know,

891
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: if you're one, I would want to rely on them

892
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: as a backup in an offense where I have a

893
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks why and I want to run the ball. That's

894
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: why they don't do it. I mean, honestly, that's why

895
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: they don't do it a whole lot because you don't.

896
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: You don't you want your second and third round pick

897
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: to play, right, That's my point. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah,

898
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: how about you ag? I think that to me personally,

899
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: I would think it all comes down to what that

900
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 1: he's tied to do in free agency as far as

901
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: other needs are they gonna be investing because otherwise if otherwise,

902
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: if they handle free agency as they have the past

903
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: couple of years, I just find it hard to believe

904
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: that they would invest even a fourth round pick on

905
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: a quarterback. You have so many other needs. You have

906
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: a lot of key guys that are about to become

907
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: free agents for the Cowboys, so to me, I have

908
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: even though Jerry came out and said that they're planning

909
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: on drafting a quarterback every year now. So but I

910
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: would say if they do, it would be fifth or up.

911
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: Would this be a weird draft if they take a

912
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: running back in the first round and a quarterback in

913
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: the third? How would you look at that? Like? Okay,

914
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: say like it take Bijean Robinson, say you move on

915
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: from Zeke and you move on Frodcain. I'm not trying

916
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: to get rid of Zke care. I'm just telling I'm

917
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: just doing a show here, not trying to like doing

918
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: just doing a show. Let's get that, you know. I'm

919
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: not Dallas Cowboys, not calm, trying to get rid of

920
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: players there. But if they move on, yeah I'm trying.

921
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I really am. But if they move on,

922
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: we need disclaimers around here. We do do well. That's

923
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: the problem here. Does he need to let everybody know,

924
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: by the way, we've been doing this for twenty something year.

925
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: But just in case you didn't know, love Ze everyone

926
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: just doing shows. We're just doing a show. Contract money.

927
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: We're just doing shows. Trust me. Really, we love these guys.

928
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: I'll say he needs they need to cut him, they do.

929
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: They need to move on Zeke. Yeah, I mean they

930
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: need to move on. I'm sorry they have to say.

931
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I know, but but but even Steven said it the

932
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: other day. Even Steven like that. He said it the

933
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: other day show what do you say? What? He said, Hey,

934
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: we love Zeke, we love Zeke. He did the whole

935
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: brilliant thing with but he also said hey, but he said, hey,

936
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: he's he's got it. It's got to work. It's got

937
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: to work for both of us. And and if you

938
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 1: cut him down to five million a year, which would

939
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: be a big cut, that still doesn't look that's still

940
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: too much for what he's gonna give you. I'm sorry.

941
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard gets hurt before halftime and it was over.

942
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: It was over. They had no shot to win and

943
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: move the ball because they didn't have any weapons. And

944
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: you've got to have some weapons. And so I think

945
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: you have to draft someone first or second round. That

946
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: guy's here, Pollard's here. Your third back, Malik Davids was

947
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: making eight hundred thousand. Yeah, that's what the third back

948
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: is supposed to make, so it's hard to do it

949
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: on the under the constraints of salary. They won't do

950
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: it to Zeke because they respect him too much. But

951
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: the league minimum is what they want to pay for

952
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: the third back, and I don't think they they have.

953
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to. I mean, it's like it's like

954
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: given a tip for a dollar. If you're not gonna tip,

955
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: just don't tip. Don't don't do that and then set them.

956
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll do it. You think that five

957
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: millions too much. It depends on the role. Let's assume

958
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: for a second. Let's assume for a second, but let

959
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: me say, let's assume for a second that they draft

960
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: Bijan Robinson in the first round, and let's also the

961
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: horns up. I mean, for that, of course you would

962
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: and let's just I though he's that wouldn't even be appropriate. Um,

963
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: but let's also but let's also assume that they don't

964
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: put the franchise tag on Polar and Polar ends up leaving. Oh. Now,

965
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: if you're in that circumstance where Bijandre top guy, and

966
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: you want to keep Zeke around and you're paying five

967
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: million dollars, I feel good about that. I'm okay with that. However,

968
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: how much is the tag again ten point one? It's

969
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: like stealing money, like that's so that you have to

970
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: do it. The thing about that is it doesn't work

971
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: that I know, because the timing doesn't work. You have

972
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: to make that. Yeah, I get that. All I'm saying is,

973
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: let's assume they decide that they're not going to use

974
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: the franchise tag on him, and then they would be

975
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: in that situation because I do think Tommy Pollard would

976
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: get probably more money in free agency than the Cowboys

977
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: would maybe be willing to pay a running back. That

978
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: being said, I guess that would be a scenario where

979
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: I'd be like five million for Zeke. I feel like

980
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: that's okay, But I agree with you. I think the

981
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: delicate balance is, and it should be, they respect him

982
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: too much to give him a low ball offer. They're

983
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 1: not gonna say, hey, Zeke, we'll pay you three hundred,

984
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: we'll pay you three million, we'll pay you five hundred,

985
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: will pay eight hundred thousand. They're not gonna do that

986
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: to Zeke. And so if he's the third running back,

987
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,439
Speaker 1: just the dynamics of the salary cap says, you can't

988
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: pay your third running back five million dollars. That just

989
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And the only thing maybe is if

990
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: they keep him, they cut him down pretty pretty good

991
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: and then they don't draft until like the fourth round.

992
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: Then that and that guy will be an all pro.

993
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah right, See the thing about it, it's interesting with

994
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: these running backs the way and again the draft show

995
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: coming up next h over time that I'm just trying

996
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: to carry this thing to the draft shows just real

997
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: quick though. Yeah, I've got nowhere to go. I know

998
00:49:53,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: you guys like switch it, but okay, so I'll finish

999
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: up with this. I'll finish up with this one. Though.

1000
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: This running back class is extremely deep. I might gamble here.

1001
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: I might gamble. I might let Pollard walk and try

1002
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: and sign him but to a lower number other than

1003
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the franchise tag. And I might and I might. Just

1004
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on from Zeke because I feel like

1005
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: the depth of this draft that running back will allow

1006
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: me to if I get wiped out where Zeke's gone,

1007
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: Pollard's gone, I know now I'm gonna go draft one

1008
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: of these kids because there might be a situation with

1009
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Pollard might get out in the free agency and people

1010
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: go and he's a good player, but he's not as

1011
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: good as Jamar Gibbs from Alabama ice crutches. Yeah he's not.

1012
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah he's not. He's not as good as Zach Evan.

1013
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: There are teams that might not be willing to pay

1014
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: any running back exactly, exactly exactly. That's as we were

1015
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: having this come or listening to you guys talk about

1016
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: those two guys. In my mind, I'm starting to think, Okay,

1017
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: if I could trust the Cowboys to really use that

1018
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: money somewhere else and not be something similar as we

1019
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: saw after the Amark Cooper trade, I would I would

1020
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: try to cut them and find some money is yeah,

1021
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: but no, like even on offense, I'm trying to look

1022
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: where can I really put some investment here, because I

1023
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: do believe with the old line doing their job, you

1024
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: can't plug in and I know it's not that easy sometimes,

1025
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: but you can plug in a good running back that's young,

1026
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: and it would work for them if you have Dak

1027
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: healthy doing everything he needs to do, the old line

1028
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: kind of working and healthy as well. All you need

1029
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: is to really add weapons that can really go down

1030
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: the field and just have a younger person there at

1031
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: running back and make it work. And we say we

1032
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: saw it with Malik Davis, and I agree with Nick.

1033
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: When Paula got hurt and he went out, they just couldn't.

1034
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: That was game over. But if you got ready and

1035
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: prepare yourself for that, I think they can. They can

1036
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: truly make it work. Yeah, you look at roster construction.

1037
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: I saw this graphic the other day, the running back

1038
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: the top running back for the last I think I

1039
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: would say it was like ten or fifteen super Bowl

1040
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: winning teams. Yeah, they're making no money at all. And

1041
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: it's because you can, like the Chiefs, if you've got

1042
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: the right checks everywhere else but check go was mine right.

1043
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: He was able to do the job. And the running

1044
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: back position in the NFL is so much about juice.

1045
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: Do you have juice in your legs? Can you? Can?

1046
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: You make things happen when you need to. And it's

1047
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: what we saw from Tony Pollard this year. And Tony

1048
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: Pollard wasn't a first round draft pick. You know, you

1049
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 1: can get a guy who's younger, you can get a

1050
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: guy who is a lower draft pick, and you can

1051
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: get some good production, good enough production to win at

1052
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: the running back position. Which is another reason why it

1053
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: just doesn't make sense if you're gonna pay especial if

1054
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna put the franchise tag on Tony Pollard, to

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Speaker 1: then have to go back and pay a significant amount

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Speaker 1: of money to Zeke. That just it doesn't work in

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Speaker 1: today's financial part of the NFL. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: would have to cut his salary significantly to make it

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Speaker 1: really well, we might not be able to cut it

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Speaker 1: enough enough. Right, all right, appreciate you guys joining us.

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Speaker 1: Our producer is telling us to get off the air,

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Speaker 1: So we will get off the air and we will

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Speaker 1: be back next week on Wednesday. Till then for nick

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Speaker 1: Et when Brian brought us Amber Garcia, I'm Derek Hilton

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Speaker 1: has been The Break Live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

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