WEBVTT - Isaiah Mustafa 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.200 Hey, shadow fam, this is Katherine McNamara. We love being 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.800 your host for Return to the Shadows, relieving old memories 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.920 and going back to the good old days of shadow Hunters. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.760 So we're excited to share a very special announcement. We 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.680 are teaming up with Moment for an exciting live episode 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.680 of the podcast. It will have all of your favorite things, BTS, stories, 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.520 place lore, and of course domin Me. Nothing mundane, we promise, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:26.279 And the best part is there will be a live 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.840 chat for some Q and A, some games and more 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.880 by the Angel. We can't wait. Tickets are on sale 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:34.479 now at moment dot com. Slash Return to the Shadows 0:00:34.720 --> 0:01:14.119 See you March twenty second. Hello, Hey buddy, Yo, what's 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.840 going on? Look at you guys? How's a guy? I 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:17.720 think the last time the three of us were all 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:23.440 together alone was when Cat scared the shit out of us? Kidding? Hey, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.240 we should we should get into that, because that arguably 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.640 is the worst. Like I have night terrors, like I 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:32.760 have full night terrors about that. I'm very sorry. We 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.000 should talk about the new look first of all, but 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.600 I want to dive in. I want to go in 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.480 strong with the new look. This beard is really something sir, 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.080 I'm a jealous boy. I'm a jealous boy right now. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.800 That's where I'm at. It's out of control. No, it 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.080 looks great. Is this Is this by choice? Or is 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.280 this for something? Well, I mean not that I wouldn't 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.920 do it, but no, it's it's yeah, it's for the show. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:02:03.320 So that's cool. Yeah, it's different. Well, welcome back, folks, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.800 to return to the Shadows. Today, we have one of 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:09.120 the most special guests that we could possibly have on 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.080 the show. He is Papa Wolf. He is the dad 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.079 of not only the cast, but the fandom and one 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:20.680 of our all time favorite people. Please welcome Isaiah Mustafa. Yo, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.160 what's going on? Fandom fundy, you're just started. You're gonna 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.160 have to back up the dog, none of you, guys. 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.840 I know there's another dog on here. I want to see. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.560 He can smell it. He can smell it. Him on 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.440 away five thousand miles away. Are you in La You 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.480 in California? No, I'm in Toronto, So you're back in 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.920 the sum I got some crazy shit to tell you, 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.560 guys or show so h yeah. So I'm back in 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.320 Toronto on a show and we shoot in the exact 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:56.680 same studio and we have literally vibs is our trailer. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:04.520 Pa already is there, Nancy is there, Natalie is there? 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.640 Gin is there? All from hair and makeup, Brandon and 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:12.040 Angel are They're doing props um, Heather's in the production office. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.000 It is crazy, Like it's almost eerie because it just 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.600 there's so many people that are like around. Yeah, like 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.119 we have so many people from the first season and 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.240 like the last two seasons, the shadow Hunters like that 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.919 are working there. It's nuts. You're living the dream man. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.680 That's amazing. It was wild man, like, it's it's it's weird. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.920 It's weird. How is it being back in Toronto? Like, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.080 I'm sure so much has changed? So you know, are 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.680 there old haunts there or the restaurants you still go 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.200 to or is it just all brand new? The skylines 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:44.480 changed a little bit but mostly mostly um, you know, 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:47.280 it hasn't changed, Like it's the same stuff. Like we 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.200 could I could go to the same place as we 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.560 always went and they're still there. Um yeah, Oh but 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.560 I forgot to mention also, Brian is also head of makeup, 0:03:55.680 --> 0:04:02.080 so dude, it's crazy. It is crazy. But anyway, yeah, 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.240 I didn't want to leave Brian out lest he watched 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:05.920 this and go like, thank you, what the fucker leaving me? 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.480 Just forget concealer one thing not not, but I get it. 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.480 Yeah yeah. Like like the only thing that's been closed 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.080 are like hot yoga places, Like that's the only place 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.520 that's because like the pandemic those closed. Um what else. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.320 I'm living in the same apartment building on the same floor, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.279 just a different apartment. It's crazy, man. Yeah, it's nuts. 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:33.560 The same same apartment as the first season that we 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.440 were here. Oh yeah, those are you had? You had 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.320 you had like it wasn't an apartment, it was like 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:39.919 a house, sort of a little feather out for the 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.480 first season I did. Yeah, yeah, the thurdason I had 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:47.279 like a small like it was like a townhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Raccoon, raccoon. 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:56.480 Lisa's leaving. Lisa's here right now, Lisa, she's joining you. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:03.000 She's pregnant right now, so she's like rubbing her belly. Yeah, graduations, 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:06.159 she's heading off the like a pregnant yoga class. Be careful, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.720 text me when you get back or when you get there. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:13.560 That's amazing. Yeah right wow, King of Nonchalance, just throwing 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.159 it out like yeah, that's all good. She's she's like 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.279 twenty seven weeks now, so wow, it's pretty safe to 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:24.920 say she will be all right, you know. So yeah, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.320 fingers across, wishing you guys best. Do you know, do 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.040 you have fuck the shout out into stuff? Let's talk 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:35.360 about that and you're like, it's awesome. Yeah, it's a 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.360 it's a boy. So yeah, we know, we know this sex. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.200 It took a while to get there, but you know, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:42.640 right now we're we're just happy we're there and we're 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:46.360 kind of like taking it slowly so exciting, you know, 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.440 an I could be happy for you. Yeah, thanks, guys, 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:51.960 I appreciate it. Yeah, I know, I was gonna send 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.480 an announcement as soon as we got to well, we're 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:56.400 gonna have the baby here in Toronto, so that's gonna 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:01.200 be crazy. Yeah, so that's gonna be nuts. But yeah, 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.279 as soon as we got settled in here and we're 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:07.159 about to you know, start in the nesting mode, Um, 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:08.560 I was going to send announce it out to the 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.480 group and just let you guys know what's up. Nice, 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.400 But then again, this is a better way to do it. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.080 So yeah, yeah, this is this is going to capture everybody. Yeah, 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:20.360 exactly what I'm doing what happens with citizenship then, like, 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.160 if the baby is born in Canada, does it technically 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:28.000 will he technically have a right to a Canadian citizenship? Yes? Yes, 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:32.360 cool baby, we'll be I believe dual citizenship. That is 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:38.240 way so awesome. I'll do some research on that. But yeah, 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.359 watch the like Border Patrol call us and be like, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.480 yeah we heard. Yeah, you know I used to watch 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.320 Shadow Hunters and then I heard you were doing this, 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.680 so I can help you out. Yeah, I was in 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:53.440 a restaurant. I was in a restaurant the other day 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.520 with the cast and the producers and I'm leaving and 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.560 this dude he stops me and he's like, he's like, 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.640 were you want that Netflix show? And I like, I 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:03.480 sometimes I forget that it was like a Netflix because 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.160 I'm thinking very formal with them, and I was like 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.279 what Netflix show thinking and he goes, you know, the 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.640 one with vampires and I was like, oh, Shadow I 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.520 was like yeah, yeah it was, and he's like I 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.120 love that show. Like he was like so into it. 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:22.400 Our fans are like crazy everywhere. I know, they're the best, man, Yeah, 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:26.280 They're they're everywhere too, Like everywhere. Yeah, I bumped into. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.720 This is a weird one. Actually, so I bumped into. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.160 I was in a restaurant with my dad a couple 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.120 of years ago and the owner of the restaurant in 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.640 an Italian place in London. The owner of the restaurant 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.040 comes out and says, are you Tom from shadow Hunters? 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:39.160 And I said, yeah, I am, which is normally you 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.760 can sort of see who are going to be our fans. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.000 I'd say like eighty percent. You're like, okay, this is like, 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:45.000 this is one of ours. And this was like an 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.240 older Italian gent who owns a restaurant, and I was like, 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:49.520 there's no way, There's no fucking way. But sure enough 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.800 he comes over and I was like, okay, this is 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:55.040 weird and he goes, my son, is your voice? Is 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:57.600 your Italian voice for shadow Hunters? I was like, that 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:04.960 is fucking a wild Oh yeah, isn't that crazy? That 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.080 is dope. I love that. I love those moments when 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.760 you get to be like hi, you are me in 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.760 another language, thank thank you, thank you. It's pretty crazy. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.600 I was just getting off a plane in Spain and 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.000 you know, you transferred from the shuttle to like the 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.800 terminal whatever. I got on there and there was like 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.160 just two Shadow Hunter fans like they were like and 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:27.760 I was like, man, like all places like this is 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.440 like a little you know, a shuttle. You know. You 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.360 met a friend of mine actually on an airplane on 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.520 your way to Ibeth, I think, And she text me 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:38.520 and she was like, I'm pretty sure this is him, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.480 and she'd take him like a blurry, like weird photo. 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.680 I was like, Sam, you don't need to do that. Guy. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.199 He's the nicest guy. Go and say hi. I promised 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.560 that's better than someone clearly trying to take a photo. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.880 But they were on the same plane. And even crazier 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:53.760 is when you did the movie in South Africa and 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:56.520 then I came back. I went to South Africa. Your 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.720 armorer literally he's like, I work with Tom, you know. 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:00.880 And I was like, get the funk out of here. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.040 I think I sent you a picture or something like that. Yeah, 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.480 and then he goes like this. He goes, I was 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.079 gonna give you his gun, but I thought that'd be 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.000 a little weird. I'm like, dude, give me the gun, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.600 like like like you're building you know, a shadow Hunter 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:14.960 like lore right now, So like you give me that 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.760 so that way, you know what, I mean, okay, well, 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.160 if I ever if I ever worked in South Africa again, 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:21.680 I feel like no, no, no, I want to domb 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.880 Sherwood Isamus to Africa. Please. That's the only gun that 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:29.600 will do. Thank you very much. Martin loves you like man, 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.800 he was like such a fond like the way he 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.120 said it, like, I was like, oh man, he's like 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.840 he was just like glowing with praise, like he was 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.120 so like happy. Is like he was like, um can 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:42.800 I ask you a question? And I was like, yeah, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.280 what's what's up? He goes, you worked with Dominic Sherwood. Yes, 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.360 the way said like I was like, oh, like wow. 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.079 I was like yeah, He's like oh yeah, and then 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.160 he just like wouldn't this full praise? I was like, 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:01.120 holy shit, O man, he was sweet a sweetheart. That's 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:04.360 so sweet. Yeah. I do have to say though, the 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.319 number of times I run into someone who goes, wait 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.320 a minute, you worked with Isaiah Mustaphood, didn't you. Oh 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.720 my god, he's the best guy ever and just goes 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.160 on and on about you for twenty minutes, And of 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.800 course you know then it's a love fest on both sides. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.000 But it's it's amazing because you truly have done it 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:25.240 all from I mean, it's it's hard to talk about 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.760 all the things that you have done because I think 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.600 there's it's it's just easier to mention than the things 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.280 you haven't. But I stumble into stuff all the time. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:38.120 I got back into ship and I go, oh, I'm here, okay, great, Yeah, 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.280 but not like when people say that normally, like I 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:42.920 back I backed into like and you know, now I 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.000 canoe once a week Like no, no, no, what we're 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.200 talking about is like you played professional American football like that. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.080 It's that level. Like it's not like I backed into 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:52.960 this thing and now I have a new hobby, Like no, 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:54.839 this is I backed into it and then I'm fucking 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.319 the best at it. Yeah that was that was like, 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.720 you know, youth, that's all. I was young though, as 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.640 as had an athletic body, take advantage of it, and 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:07.720 now I suffer from knees and stuff and whatnot. But yeah, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 it's all good. Yeah, But it's another chapter in this 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.880 like mental series of books that's going to be your life. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.560 I say series of books because you and try and 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.880 fit this in one book. It's gonna be like the Bible, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:21.640 like it's gonna be like people are going to open 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.320 it and be like, is this double space. No, it's 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.520 genuinely just eight thousand pages. It's just everything he's done 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:29.880 in his life because he's just that much of a proactive, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.319 amazing dude. It's a double edged sword, man, I'll tell 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:35.360 you sometimes, like it's like I never like to talk 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.880 about stuff I've done because people just are like, seriously, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.360 like what, and I'm like, I'm just telling the truth, 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.000 but yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I've done that, 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.240 so so I just never say anything because I'm like, 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.880 I don't want to. I don't want people to feel 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.800 like intimidated or anything because I may have done something 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.480 that they That's an interesting dichotomy that we've actually mentioned before, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.520 I think on this podcast. If not, I was talking 0:11:57.559 --> 0:11:59.600 about it with another group of friends, and I can't 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.679 remember an interesting dicotomy. So even just in our industry, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.959 if you're talking to someone from outside of the industry, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.760 there's a level of like what is and is not 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:09.520 appropriate to say because you don't want to sound like 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.440 you're boasting about what you do. But also, we work 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.200 really hard and I'm very proud of what we do. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.360 Like I don't want to seem like the guy who's like, oh, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.160 well I do this and this, but also at the 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.560 same time, I kind of do want to be that 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.079 guy because I work my ass off this, you know 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.920 what I mean, I'm proud of I get it. Yeah. 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.160 If you know, for example, like uh, you know, we've 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.760 all had like weapons training, so you know, like guns 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.320 are you know, a touchy subject, but you know you 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:35.600 have to do it. If you're an actor, if you're 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.000 in that kind of situation, you do have to take 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.520 some training so you know what you're doing. It's best 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.640 to do that actually. So so it's you know, like 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.600 when you do that, you feel accomplished. You feel like, oh, 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.360 I know how to handle myself with this, you know. 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.800 And so when someone says, like you know how to shoot, 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:55.640 you know, you're kind of like, yeah, always the two fingers. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.120 It's never a full hand, it's always yeah. You go 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:03.400 very slowly like yeah no, but it's you're right though. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.280 It's it's a tricky balance to sort of set when 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:09.360 you're going well, you know, because sometimes even to find 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.760 work or to you know, get let people know that 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.439 you are able to do the job, you sort of 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.319 have to go yeah, well, yeah, I can do that, 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.120 but and I have and here's how. But you know, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.839 you're you are always so good at this and I 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.240 loved watching you because when when I started Shadow Hunters, 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.560 I was nineteen. I didn't know how to run a show. 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.720 I didn't know how to do any of that. Isn't 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.760 that crazy, isn't it? Yeah, we started filming like eight 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.400 years ago. Yeah, that's great because you know what, I 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:41.160 was nineteen two, of course you were, but you know, 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.600 you'd had much more experience in the industry than I 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.320 had in my nineteen years and you're nineteen years so 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.040 you know, it was amazing to watch you on set 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.520 with the crew and even you know, when we did 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.360 pr stuff, every situation you came in and you handled 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:59.439 with such grace and such poise and and with a 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:02.720 warmth that made everyone feel valued and welcome and seen. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:04.760 And I've I've tried to learn that from you and 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.200 continue that on. But that was such a you know, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.480 it was It was really impactful at the time, and 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.839 you know continues to be. Yeah, I've been on a 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.160 couple sets since then that they haven't been like that. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.120 So so you know, as long as 'me you know, 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.320 happy people can be happy around you, then they like 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.000 you around you know, not even like I mean absolutely 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:28.760 yes they will like you, and that's good. But I 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.840 feel like I am going to ditter what Kat said 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.720 here a little bit. That's a large part of what 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.960 I learned from you on set um is that responsibility 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.480 because it's not just about you and that person whoever 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.960 it is that you're inticating with in that moment. Having 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.560 a general mood of positivity throughout the set helps everything 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.480 move better on Yeah, you know what I mean. Everybody 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.640 has their days too, so you know, like if you 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.200 if you can try to like massage that you know, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.200 it works, it works. You know, you do your best 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.040 to like you're like, you know, or you catch yourself 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.960 you're like, you know, maybe I shouldn't have said that 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.560 to or you say, like, you know what I'm feeling 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.840 this way today, maybe I should just not go like 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.720 into the production office like that nobody you know fires 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.480 me today or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.320 tupm today. I'm gonna them tomorrow, you know. You know 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.040 what I've been doing a lot lately is because like 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.560 to learn like stuff that you kind of already know. 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:27.360 I just go like they asked, like, have you ever 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.600 had this kind of training? I always say like I have, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.880 but pretend that I know nothing and just tell me everything, 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:36.080 you know. Yeah, yeah, that way you learn, Like you know, 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:39.120 you don't have the tendency to go like like oh 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.440 well I do it like this, like you just shut 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.480 up and learn. Yeah yeah, just adding new bits. Yeah. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:48.240 I think that's really smart. Now we would be remissed 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.440 if we didn't ask you about this. We're going to 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.560 talk about old spice. Is that okay? Is it cool 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.120 if we talk about old spice? That especially that one commercial. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:01.040 The first commercial was like a worldwide phenomenon. It the internet, everywhere, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.600 it was on our TVs here in the UK, um, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.880 it was all across America, like it was everywhere in 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.600 the world. And what I didn't know until I met 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.200 you is that it was that was practical. They did 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:13.640 everything on that practically, right, or like ninety percent of 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.720 that practically. Yeah, now you're right, like ninety nine percent 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.120 of it. There's one thing that was like not practical, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.200 and that was the diamonds falling out of my hand. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.720 But other than that was like the only cgi in 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.280 the thing. But other than that, everything was done like 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.000 it was like a little mouse trap, like you know, 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.120 you just at the ball and it just goes and everything, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:35.720 yeah doesn't. Yeah yeah some of them, but honestly, some 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.720 of the most like interesting and creative filmmaking just didn't 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.760 that what is it like a thirty second snippet. Maybe 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.440 not even the thirty seconds now it's there was thirty seconds. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:45.960 That was like the trick of it to get it 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.880 all in thirty seconds, but it was it was frustrating 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:53.280 and fun and like looking back, like I had no idea, 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.240 Like I had a vision of this gas bill that 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.040 was like astronomical, at least at the time, I was like, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.320 that's an astronomical gas bill that I had to pay, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.040 And I just had visions of like finally I get 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.119 to pay this fucking gas bill, you know what I mean, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.640 because like I had not paid it for so long, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.040 and like it was just it was just like high 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:12.919 enough to where I was just taking payments on it, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.080 you know. And then so I was just like this job, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.240 I'm gonna pay that fucking gas bill off. So I 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.040 went into it feeling like I'm just gonna pay bills 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.680 like this is so cool and uh, and I had 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.000 no idea and I had the girlfriend at the time, 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.600 nice person, great dancer, but just I mean out there, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.320 and she she was like that was like the beginning 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:36.240 of the end. It's like did like one of those 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.280 things that you had your gas bill, Your gas bill 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:39.919 was your issue and then you fix that and you 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:41.480 were like, all right, what are the problems have I 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.600 got now? Because now I have I have a space 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:49.600 in my life for another issue, what do I gets? 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.120 Dating advice is going to be a volume two of 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.399 the memoirs, just one moment. I've come to you so 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.280 many times for like you're so good at just them 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.240 You're I mean, I won't we will name names because 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.679 you guys know, but my best advice would be like, 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:10.080 do not date a cast member, but that would be 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:13.560 my best Don't date in the office, like it's such 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:17.040 a normal, it's such a date within your office. Yeah. Ever, ever, 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:19.199 people are like, well, there's no smoke without fire, and 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.320 you're like, yeah, there is. This is this is why 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.120 these phrases exist. That that's one hundred smoke without fire. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.640 These are probably smoke without fire all the time. It's 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:32.600 called it's called atmosphere atmosphere irony because that's what it 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:39.320 creates totally funny. Yeah. When I first got up here, 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.120 I was like single, so I was dating like like 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.359 just a madman, Like I was a serial data out here, 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.040 like I was just going on dates left and right. 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.399 I was using every dating app out there, like I 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:56.320 had them all downloaded, swiped one as yours because you 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.960 hand it like here, have fun. I've never done this 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.560 the exactly. I do remember that. Yeah, it was fun 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.480 for a minute. And because I was like, you know, 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.399 six on the call sheet, I had time. I just 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.160 I had time to do all kinds of like nonsense, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.400 get into trouble or whatever. But uh yeah that all 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:15.800 shut down the second season, thank god, though, like I 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:21.160 was out of control. Toronto is a beautiful place with 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:42.919 beautiful people. Certain it is. I forget what we were 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.720 talking about. Okay, what do we want to do, Tom, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.200 you help me. Do we want to talk about shadow 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:48.879 Hunters or do we want to get Isaiah two shadow Hunters? First? 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.760 I like how you just got us out of that conversation. Oh, 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.119 this is half of my job on this podcast is 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.200 bringing Gon back from tangents. That's all I do all day. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.440 That's why I'm here. I have my cheat in front 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.040 of me too. It's right here, and I keep looking 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:03.680 at it and I go I lost that in a minute. 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:05.960 So before we get to the beautiful people in Toronto, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:09.720 let's talk about you and what brought you to shadow Hunters. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:13.120 So you play in the NFL. You did this Old 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:17.640 Spice amazing everything and worked so much, but then when 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.040 you first got this audition for shadow Hunters, dude, were 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.240 you aware of it? Had you seen anything about it before? 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.080 I had no idea what shadow Hunters was. I couldn't 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.720 tell you what that or the Mortal Instruments. I had 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.439 no clue. I know this much. I was doing some 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.280 like guest stars here and there. But I mean, at 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.040 that point, the popularity from Old Spice had kind of, 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:42.919 like good dwindling and waning. I had a lot of 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.399 time because I wasn't really working consistently, but I was 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.439 still there, their brand ambassador. I still am, but I 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.359 just wasn't doing anything that I wanted to do. So 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.479 I was doing a lot of writing. I was like, 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.800 you know, built a hockey rink in my garage. I 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.359 was doing a lot of shit that like you know, 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.359