Speaker 1: Hey, shadow fam, this is Katherine McNamara. We love being
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Speaker 1: See you March twenty second. Hello, Hey buddy, Yo, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Look at you guys? How's a guy? I
Speaker 1: think the last time the three of us were all
Speaker 1: together alone was when Cat scared the shit out of us? Kidding? Hey,
Speaker 1: we should we should get into that, because that arguably
Speaker 1: is the worst. Like I have night terrors, like I
Speaker 1: have full night terrors about that. I'm very sorry. We
Speaker 1: should talk about the new look first of all, but
Speaker 1: I want to dive in. I want to go in
Speaker 1: strong with the new look. This beard is really something sir,
Speaker 1: I'm a jealous boy. I'm a jealous boy right now.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. It's out of control. No, it
Speaker 1: looks great. Is this Is this by choice? Or is
Speaker 1: this for something? Well, I mean not that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do it, but no, it's it's yeah, it's for the show.
Speaker 1: So that's cool. Yeah, it's different. Well, welcome back, folks,
Speaker 1: to return to the Shadows. Today, we have one of
Speaker 1: the most special guests that we could possibly have on
Speaker 1: the show. He is Papa Wolf. He is the dad
Speaker 1: of not only the cast, but the fandom and one
Speaker 1: of our all time favorite people. Please welcome Isaiah Mustafa. Yo,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Fandom fundy, you're just started. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to back up the dog, none of you, guys.
Speaker 1: I know there's another dog on here. I want to see.
Speaker 1: He can smell it. He can smell it. Him on
Speaker 1: away five thousand miles away. Are you in La You
Speaker 1: in California? No, I'm in Toronto, So you're back in
Speaker 1: the sum I got some crazy shit to tell you,
Speaker 1: guys or show so h yeah. So I'm back in
Speaker 1: Toronto on a show and we shoot in the exact
Speaker 1: same studio and we have literally vibs is our trailer.
Speaker 1: Pa already is there, Nancy is there, Natalie is there?
Speaker 1: Gin is there? All from hair and makeup, Brandon and
Speaker 1: Angel are They're doing props um, Heather's in the production office.
Speaker 1: It is crazy, Like it's almost eerie because it just
Speaker 1: there's so many people that are like around. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we have so many people from the first season and
Speaker 1: like the last two seasons, the shadow Hunters like that
Speaker 1: are working there. It's nuts. You're living the dream man.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. It was wild man, like, it's it's it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird. How is it being back in Toronto? Like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure so much has changed? So you know, are
Speaker 1: there old haunts there or the restaurants you still go
Speaker 1: to or is it just all brand new? The skylines
Speaker 1: changed a little bit but mostly mostly um, you know,
Speaker 1: it hasn't changed, Like it's the same stuff. Like we
Speaker 1: could I could go to the same place as we
Speaker 1: always went and they're still there. Um yeah, Oh but
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention also, Brian is also head of makeup,
Speaker 1: so dude, it's crazy. It is crazy. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave Brian out lest he watched
Speaker 1: this and go like, thank you, what the fucker leaving me?
Speaker 1: Just forget concealer one thing not not, but I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Like like the only thing that's been closed
Speaker 1: are like hot yoga places, Like that's the only place
Speaker 1: that's because like the pandemic those closed. Um what else.
Speaker 1: I'm living in the same apartment building on the same floor,
Speaker 1: just a different apartment. It's crazy, man. Yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: The same same apartment as the first season that we
Speaker 1: were here. Oh yeah, those are you had? You had
Speaker 1: you had like it wasn't an apartment, it was like
Speaker 1: a house, sort of a little feather out for the
Speaker 1: first season I did. Yeah, yeah, the thurdason I had
Speaker 1: like a small like it was like a townhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Raccoon, raccoon.
Speaker 1: Lisa's leaving. Lisa's here right now, Lisa, she's joining you.
Speaker 1: She's pregnant right now, so she's like rubbing her belly. Yeah, graduations,
Speaker 1: she's heading off the like a pregnant yoga class. Be careful,
Speaker 1: text me when you get back or when you get there.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah right wow, King of Nonchalance, just throwing
Speaker 1: it out like yeah, that's all good. She's she's like
Speaker 1: twenty seven weeks now, so wow, it's pretty safe to
Speaker 1: say she will be all right, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: fingers across, wishing you guys best. Do you know, do
Speaker 1: you have fuck the shout out into stuff? Let's talk
Speaker 1: about that and you're like, it's awesome. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a boy. So yeah, we know, we know this sex.
Speaker 1: It took a while to get there, but you know,
Speaker 1: right now we're we're just happy we're there and we're
Speaker 1: kind of like taking it slowly so exciting, you know,
Speaker 1: an I could be happy for you. Yeah, thanks, guys,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, I know, I was gonna send
Speaker 1: an announcement as soon as we got to well, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have the baby here in Toronto, so that's gonna
Speaker 1: be crazy. Yeah, so that's gonna be nuts. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as we got settled in here and we're
Speaker 1: about to you know, start in the nesting mode, Um,
Speaker 1: I was going to send announce it out to the
Speaker 1: group and just let you guys know what's up. Nice,
Speaker 1: But then again, this is a better way to do it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, this is this is going to capture everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm doing what happens with citizenship then, like,
Speaker 1: if the baby is born in Canada, does it technically
Speaker 1: will he technically have a right to a Canadian citizenship? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: cool baby, we'll be I believe dual citizenship. That is
Speaker 1: way so awesome. I'll do some research on that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: watch the like Border Patrol call us and be like,
Speaker 1: yeah we heard. Yeah, you know I used to watch
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters and then I heard you were doing this,
Speaker 1: so I can help you out. Yeah, I was in
Speaker 1: a restaurant. I was in a restaurant the other day
Speaker 1: with the cast and the producers and I'm leaving and
Speaker 1: this dude he stops me and he's like, he's like,
Speaker 1: were you want that Netflix show? And I like, I
Speaker 1: sometimes I forget that it was like a Netflix because
Speaker 1: I'm thinking very formal with them, and I was like
Speaker 1: what Netflix show thinking and he goes, you know, the
Speaker 1: one with vampires and I was like, oh, Shadow I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, yeah it was, and he's like I
Speaker 1: love that show. Like he was like so into it.
Speaker 1: Our fans are like crazy everywhere. I know, they're the best, man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: They're they're everywhere too, Like everywhere. Yeah, I bumped into.
Speaker 1: This is a weird one. Actually, so I bumped into.
Speaker 1: I was in a restaurant with my dad a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago and the owner of the restaurant in
Speaker 1: an Italian place in London. The owner of the restaurant
Speaker 1: comes out and says, are you Tom from shadow Hunters?
Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I am, which is normally you
Speaker 1: can sort of see who are going to be our fans.
Speaker 1: I'd say like eighty percent. You're like, okay, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is one of ours. And this was like an
Speaker 1: older Italian gent who owns a restaurant, and I was like,
Speaker 1: there's no way, There's no fucking way. But sure enough
Speaker 1: he comes over and I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 1: weird and he goes, my son, is your voice? Is
Speaker 1: your Italian voice for shadow Hunters? I was like, that
Speaker 1: is fucking a wild Oh yeah, isn't that crazy? That
Speaker 1: is dope. I love that. I love those moments when
Speaker 1: you get to be like hi, you are me in
Speaker 1: another language, thank thank you, thank you. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: I was just getting off a plane in Spain and
Speaker 1: you know, you transferred from the shuttle to like the
Speaker 1: terminal whatever. I got on there and there was like
Speaker 1: just two Shadow Hunter fans like they were like and
Speaker 1: I was like, man, like all places like this is
Speaker 1: like a little you know, a shuttle. You know. You
Speaker 1: met a friend of mine actually on an airplane on
Speaker 1: your way to Ibeth, I think, And she text me
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm pretty sure this is him,
Speaker 1: and she'd take him like a blurry, like weird photo.
Speaker 1: I was like, Sam, you don't need to do that. Guy.
Speaker 1: He's the nicest guy. Go and say hi. I promised
Speaker 1: that's better than someone clearly trying to take a photo.
Speaker 1: But they were on the same plane. And even crazier
Speaker 1: is when you did the movie in South Africa and
Speaker 1: then I came back. I went to South Africa. Your
Speaker 1: armorer literally he's like, I work with Tom, you know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, get the funk out of here.
Speaker 1: I think I sent you a picture or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then he goes like this. He goes, I was
Speaker 1: gonna give you his gun, but I thought that'd be
Speaker 1: a little weird. I'm like, dude, give me the gun,
Speaker 1: like like like you're building you know, a shadow Hunter
Speaker 1: like lore right now, So like you give me that
Speaker 1: so that way, you know what, I mean, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if I ever if I ever worked in South Africa again,
Speaker 1: I feel like no, no, no, I want to domb
Speaker 1: Sherwood Isamus to Africa. Please. That's the only gun that
Speaker 1: will do. Thank you very much. Martin loves you like man,
Speaker 1: he was like such a fond like the way he
Speaker 1: said it, like, I was like, oh man, he's like
Speaker 1: he was just like glowing with praise, like he was
Speaker 1: so like happy. Is like he was like, um can
Speaker 1: I ask you a question? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what's up? He goes, you worked with Dominic Sherwood. Yes,
Speaker 1: the way said like I was like, oh, like wow.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, He's like oh yeah, and then
Speaker 1: he just like wouldn't this full praise? I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, O man, he was sweet a sweetheart. That's
Speaker 1: so sweet. Yeah. I do have to say though, the
Speaker 1: number of times I run into someone who goes, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, you worked with Isaiah Mustaphood, didn't you. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's the best guy ever and just goes
Speaker 1: on and on about you for twenty minutes, And of
Speaker 1: course you know then it's a love fest on both sides.
Speaker 1: But it's it's amazing because you truly have done it
Speaker 1: all from I mean, it's it's hard to talk about
Speaker 1: all the things that you have done because I think
Speaker 1: there's it's it's just easier to mention than the things
Speaker 1: you haven't. But I stumble into stuff all the time.
Speaker 1: I got back into ship and I go, oh, I'm here, okay, great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not like when people say that normally, like I
Speaker 1: back I backed into like and you know, now I
Speaker 1: canoe once a week Like no, no, no, what we're
Speaker 1: talking about is like you played professional American football like that.
Speaker 1: It's that level. Like it's not like I backed into
Speaker 1: this thing and now I have a new hobby, Like no,
Speaker 1: this is I backed into it and then I'm fucking
Speaker 1: the best at it. Yeah that was that was like,
Speaker 1: you know, youth, that's all. I was young though, as
Speaker 1: as had an athletic body, take advantage of it, and
Speaker 1: now I suffer from knees and stuff and whatnot. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all good. Yeah, But it's another chapter in this
Speaker 1: like mental series of books that's going to be your life.
Speaker 1: I say series of books because you and try and
Speaker 1: fit this in one book. It's gonna be like the Bible,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be like people are going to open
Speaker 1: it and be like, is this double space. No, it's
Speaker 1: genuinely just eight thousand pages. It's just everything he's done
Speaker 1: in his life because he's just that much of a proactive,
Speaker 1: amazing dude. It's a double edged sword, man, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you sometimes, like it's like I never like to talk
Speaker 1: about stuff I've done because people just are like, seriously,
Speaker 1: like what, and I'm like, I'm just telling the truth,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I've done that,
Speaker 1: so so I just never say anything because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want people to feel
Speaker 1: like intimidated or anything because I may have done something
Speaker 1: that they That's an interesting dichotomy that we've actually mentioned before,
Speaker 1: I think on this podcast. If not, I was talking
Speaker 1: about it with another group of friends, and I can't
Speaker 1: remember an interesting dicotomy. So even just in our industry,
Speaker 1: if you're talking to someone from outside of the industry,
Speaker 1: there's a level of like what is and is not
Speaker 1: appropriate to say because you don't want to sound like
Speaker 1: you're boasting about what you do. But also, we work
Speaker 1: really hard and I'm very proud of what we do.
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to seem like the guy who's like, oh,
Speaker 1: well I do this and this, but also at the
Speaker 1: same time, I kind of do want to be that
Speaker 1: guy because I work my ass off this, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm proud of I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you know, for example, like uh, you know, we've
Speaker 1: all had like weapons training, so you know, like guns
Speaker 1: are you know, a touchy subject, but you know you
Speaker 1: have to do it. If you're an actor, if you're
Speaker 1: in that kind of situation, you do have to take
Speaker 1: some training so you know what you're doing. It's best
Speaker 1: to do that actually. So so it's you know, like
Speaker 1: when you do that, you feel accomplished. You feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know how to handle myself with this, you know.
Speaker 1: And so when someone says, like you know how to shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of like, yeah, always the two fingers.
Speaker 1: It's never a full hand, it's always yeah. You go
Speaker 1: very slowly like yeah no, but it's you're right though.
Speaker 1: It's it's a tricky balance to sort of set when
Speaker 1: you're going well, you know, because sometimes even to find
Speaker 1: work or to you know, get let people know that
Speaker 1: you are able to do the job, you sort of
Speaker 1: have to go yeah, well, yeah, I can do that,
Speaker 1: but and I have and here's how. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're you are always so good at this and I
Speaker 1: loved watching you because when when I started Shadow Hunters,
Speaker 1: I was nineteen. I didn't know how to run a show.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to do any of that. Isn't
Speaker 1: that crazy, isn't it? Yeah, we started filming like eight
Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah, that's great because you know what, I
Speaker 1: was nineteen two, of course you were, but you know,
Speaker 1: you'd had much more experience in the industry than I
Speaker 1: had in my nineteen years and you're nineteen years so
Speaker 1: you know, it was amazing to watch you on set
Speaker 1: with the crew and even you know, when we did
Speaker 1: pr stuff, every situation you came in and you handled
Speaker 1: with such grace and such poise and and with a
Speaker 1: warmth that made everyone feel valued and welcome and seen.
Speaker 1: And I've I've tried to learn that from you and
Speaker 1: continue that on. But that was such a you know,
Speaker 1: it was It was really impactful at the time, and
Speaker 1: you know continues to be. Yeah, I've been on a
Speaker 1: couple sets since then that they haven't been like that.
Speaker 1: So so you know, as long as 'me you know,
Speaker 1: happy people can be happy around you, then they like
Speaker 1: you around you know, not even like I mean absolutely
Speaker 1: yes they will like you, and that's good. But I
Speaker 1: feel like I am going to ditter what Kat said
Speaker 1: here a little bit. That's a large part of what
Speaker 1: I learned from you on set um is that responsibility
Speaker 1: because it's not just about you and that person whoever
Speaker 1: it is that you're inticating with in that moment. Having
Speaker 1: a general mood of positivity throughout the set helps everything
Speaker 1: move better on Yeah, you know what I mean. Everybody
Speaker 1: has their days too, so you know, like if you
Speaker 1: if you can try to like massage that you know,
Speaker 1: it works, it works. You know, you do your best
Speaker 1: to like you're like, you know, or you catch yourself
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, maybe I shouldn't have said that
Speaker 1: to or you say, like, you know what I'm feeling
Speaker 1: this way today, maybe I should just not go like
Speaker 1: into the production office like that nobody you know fires
Speaker 1: me today or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a little
Speaker 1: tupm today. I'm gonna them tomorrow, you know. You know
Speaker 1: what I've been doing a lot lately is because like
Speaker 1: to learn like stuff that you kind of already know.
Speaker 1: I just go like they asked, like, have you ever
Speaker 1: had this kind of training? I always say like I have,
Speaker 1: but pretend that I know nothing and just tell me everything,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, that way you learn, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have the tendency to go like like oh
Speaker 1: well I do it like this, like you just shut
Speaker 1: up and learn. Yeah yeah, just adding new bits. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's really smart. Now we would be remissed
Speaker 1: if we didn't ask you about this. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about old spice. Is that okay? Is it cool
Speaker 1: if we talk about old spice? That especially that one commercial.
Speaker 1: The first commercial was like a worldwide phenomenon. It the internet, everywhere,
Speaker 1: it was on our TVs here in the UK, um,
Speaker 1: it was all across America, like it was everywhere in
Speaker 1: the world. And what I didn't know until I met
Speaker 1: you is that it was that was practical. They did
Speaker 1: everything on that practically, right, or like ninety percent of
Speaker 1: that practically. Yeah, now you're right, like ninety nine percent
Speaker 1: of it. There's one thing that was like not practical,
Speaker 1: and that was the diamonds falling out of my hand.
Speaker 1: But other than that was like the only cgi in
Speaker 1: the thing. But other than that, everything was done like
Speaker 1: it was like a little mouse trap, like you know,
Speaker 1: you just at the ball and it just goes and everything,
Speaker 1: yeah doesn't. Yeah yeah some of them, but honestly, some
Speaker 1: of the most like interesting and creative filmmaking just didn't
Speaker 1: that what is it like a thirty second snippet. Maybe
Speaker 1: not even the thirty seconds now it's there was thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: That was like the trick of it to get it
Speaker 1: all in thirty seconds, but it was it was frustrating
Speaker 1: and fun and like looking back, like I had no idea,
Speaker 1: Like I had a vision of this gas bill that
Speaker 1: was like astronomical, at least at the time, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's an astronomical gas bill that I had to pay,
Speaker 1: And I just had visions of like finally I get
Speaker 1: to pay this fucking gas bill, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because like I had not paid it for so long,
Speaker 1: and like it was just it was just like high
Speaker 1: enough to where I was just taking payments on it,
Speaker 1: you know. And then so I was just like this job,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay that fucking gas bill off. So I
Speaker 1: went into it feeling like I'm just gonna pay bills
Speaker 1: like this is so cool and uh, and I had
Speaker 1: no idea and I had the girlfriend at the time,
Speaker 1: nice person, great dancer, but just I mean out there,
Speaker 1: and she she was like that was like the beginning
Speaker 1: of the end. It's like did like one of those
Speaker 1: things that you had your gas bill, Your gas bill
Speaker 1: was your issue and then you fix that and you
Speaker 1: were like, all right, what are the problems have I
Speaker 1: got now? Because now I have I have a space
Speaker 1: in my life for another issue, what do I gets?
Speaker 1: Dating advice is going to be a volume two of
Speaker 1: the memoirs, just one moment. I've come to you so
Speaker 1: many times for like you're so good at just them
Speaker 1: You're I mean, I won't we will name names because
Speaker 1: you guys know, but my best advice would be like,
Speaker 1: do not date a cast member, but that would be
Speaker 1: my best Don't date in the office, like it's such
Speaker 1: a normal, it's such a date within your office. Yeah. Ever, ever,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, there's no smoke without fire, and
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, there is. This is this is why
Speaker 1: these phrases exist. That that's one hundred smoke without fire.
Speaker 1: These are probably smoke without fire all the time. It's
Speaker 1: called it's called atmosphere atmosphere irony because that's what it
Speaker 1: creates totally funny. Yeah. When I first got up here,
Speaker 1: I was like single, so I was dating like like
Speaker 1: just a madman, Like I was a serial data out here,
Speaker 1: like I was just going on dates left and right.
Speaker 1: I was using every dating app out there, like I
Speaker 1: had them all downloaded, swiped one as yours because you
Speaker 1: hand it like here, have fun. I've never done this
Speaker 1: the exactly. I do remember that. Yeah, it was fun
Speaker 1: for a minute. And because I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: six on the call sheet, I had time. I just
Speaker 1: I had time to do all kinds of like nonsense,
Speaker 1: get into trouble or whatever. But uh yeah that all
Speaker 1: shut down the second season, thank god, though, like I
Speaker 1: was out of control. Toronto is a beautiful place with
Speaker 1: beautiful people. Certain it is. I forget what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, what do we want to do, Tom,
Speaker 1: you help me. Do we want to talk about shadow
Speaker 1: Hunters or do we want to get Isaiah two shadow Hunters? First?
Speaker 1: I like how you just got us out of that conversation. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is half of my job on this podcast is
Speaker 1: bringing Gon back from tangents. That's all I do all day.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm here. I have my cheat in front
Speaker 1: of me too. It's right here, and I keep looking
Speaker 1: at it and I go I lost that in a minute.
Speaker 1: So before we get to the beautiful people in Toronto,
Speaker 1: let's talk about you and what brought you to shadow Hunters.
Speaker 1: So you play in the NFL. You did this Old
Speaker 1: Spice amazing everything and worked so much, but then when
Speaker 1: you first got this audition for shadow Hunters, dude, were
Speaker 1: you aware of it? Had you seen anything about it before?
Speaker 1: I had no idea what shadow Hunters was. I couldn't
Speaker 1: tell you what that or the Mortal Instruments. I had
Speaker 1: no clue. I know this much. I was doing some
Speaker 1: like guest stars here and there. But I mean, at
Speaker 1: that point, the popularity from Old Spice had kind of,
Speaker 1: like good dwindling and waning. I had a lot of
Speaker 1: time because I wasn't really working consistently, but I was
Speaker 1: still there, their brand ambassador. I still am, but I
Speaker 1: just wasn't doing anything that I wanted to do. So
Speaker 1: I was doing a lot of writing. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, built a hockey rink in my garage. I
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of shit that like you know,
Speaker 1: idle hands. You know, you just had a lot of
Speaker 1: shit to do um. So the housing brought me in
Speaker 1: for a sitcom. And this is how fucking off I
Speaker 1: was at the time. Like I just wasn't like shit
Speaker 1: wasn't lined up for me. I didn't read the sides,
Speaker 1: and I didn't notice that the sides were sitcom sides,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't paying attention. So when I went in
Speaker 1: there and it was like a full on like it
Speaker 1: wasn't a test. It was like right before the test,
Speaker 1: you know, like so you had the producers and I
Speaker 1: think it was like Tory Spelling or somebody like that,
Speaker 1: and you know, I go in there to do the
Speaker 1: audition and I just like I read it like, you know,
Speaker 1: a thirty minute comedy like and then she like looked
Speaker 1: at me and she laughed and she was like, oh
Speaker 1: that's funny, but read it like a sitcom now, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I wasn't a joke I
Speaker 1: did that like, and I was like, oh shit, like
Speaker 1: and I went on and then I you know, you're
Speaker 1: just nervous at that point because you're like fucking this up.
Speaker 1: And I went and went backet in there and I
Speaker 1: tried to put jokes in, but it just didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't read it right. Needless to say, I didn't get
Speaker 1: the job, and I thought I embarrassed her, is what
Speaker 1: I felt like. I was like, fuck, she brought me
Speaker 1: in and like I just told he didn't do it. Um.
Speaker 1: So when she brought me back for Shadow Hunters, I
Speaker 1: was so appreciative that I like overstudied and like got
Speaker 1: shit down, you know. So I went in there and
Speaker 1: really nailed it. And then the I got a test
Speaker 1: for it. Fucking Didario whatever She's about to happen, right,
Speaker 1: Matt Man Like, Okay, first of all, yeah, Like first
Speaker 1: of all, like like but he's sitting there in the
Speaker 1: waiting room, you know, during the test, and there's like
Speaker 1: a couple other dudes, and he just like staring at me.
Speaker 1: You know, He's like, you know, staring and staring, and
Speaker 1: he just just like look on his face. He's like
Speaker 1: like I can see he's summing me up. He's like,
Speaker 1: m you know, he's like looking me up and down
Speaker 1: kind of like hmm. And I'm like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this kid looking? And so then I look at him,
Speaker 1: go damn, he looks familiar. They're like, who is this kid?
Speaker 1: So then they were both like summing each you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of like you know, measuring each other, and
Speaker 1: I'm like each other up and and finally, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: finally I just go do I know you? Like, do
Speaker 1: I know you? And he's like no, but do I
Speaker 1: know You's like, well no, I don't think. So he's
Speaker 1: like okay, you know, like full on Matt, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like what the fuck is that? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that was it was weird. Like so it was
Speaker 1: just kind of weird. Then like I went to the
Speaker 1: bathroom and trying to get ready or whatever kind of
Speaker 1: calm down, and then I was gonna go in next
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving the bathroom and my fucking pants got
Speaker 1: cot on the door handle and they wiped, and it
Speaker 1: was just like that's why I had this, like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe like like a six inch like gap from the
Speaker 1: pocket area of my pants. Thank god, I was wearing
Speaker 1: like dark dark gray pants and I had like dark
Speaker 1: gray like underpants on, so like, yeah, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you looked, you could tell. So I walked in the
Speaker 1: test and the only thing I could think of was like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I gotta like twists so they don't see this pocket.
Speaker 1: And that's like the only thing I was like concerned with.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the scene was done with one
Speaker 1: hand in my pocket and the other hand gesturing. I was,
Speaker 1: so I must looked like I was like super confident,
Speaker 1: like yeah, so anyway, you know the thing, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like I think sometimes when when like everything has gone
Speaker 1: wrong up to this point, you're sort of like fuck it,
Speaker 1: fuck it, like what what more could go wrong here?
Speaker 1: Like who gives a shit? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you're focused on these other things like you don't
Speaker 1: want to bull to pop out or whatever, and so
Speaker 1: the performance is just like a natural thing that happens,
Speaker 1: is like an organic thing that happens, and I should
Speaker 1: actually tell my pants more often. Absolutely. Oh but but
Speaker 1: needless to say, that went on. I got the job.
Speaker 1: So and then later when they announced the job, I
Speaker 1: was flying to like the smallest convention in Canada for
Speaker 1: for something for old spice actually, and that was announced
Speaker 1: like as I got off the plane, and I was
Speaker 1: like my phone was like blowing up and I was
Speaker 1: like holy shit, like you know, so, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So like like it was even like tweeted or something
Speaker 1: like I had no idea and I was like Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ and I tweeted it Matt and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like I saw it because he we both
Speaker 1: got announced at the same time. So I to him,
Speaker 1: I was like, I got a betch you know me now,
Speaker 1: you know, Oh that's amazing. And then also, you guys,
Speaker 1: remember like our schedules would have just like constantly in flux,
Speaker 1: like costly, like like it was always like you never
Speaker 1: planned shit because like it's funny, because I think it's
Speaker 1: just because the weather in Toronto so so wicked, you know.
Speaker 1: So I literally just got a call from the second eighty.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll answer that a little bit later.
Speaker 1: We'll see what that's all about. Yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is what happens. But you know, we all did get
Speaker 1: cast very quickly and get shipped up to Toronto super quickly.
Speaker 1: But I I'll never forget the first time I met
Speaker 1: all of you because you all were already there and
Speaker 1: then I arrived and we all went to dinner, and
Speaker 1: it was such a cool You have such a cool
Speaker 1: thing to to meet all of you all at once,
Speaker 1: but that was your first time meeting all of us
Speaker 1: as well, So you know, you are meeting all of
Speaker 1: these kids that are you know, so rash off the
Speaker 1: boat so green. I was been like, Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make a TV show. Isn't this cool? What is? What
Speaker 1: do you do? What is my first series too? So
Speaker 1: so you know I was just as green as you guys.
Speaker 1: I was just older, that's all. So yeah, that was
Speaker 1: your first That was your first series reg That was
Speaker 1: my first series regular. I had done some pilots, two
Speaker 1: pilots where I was a series regular, but they didn't
Speaker 1: get picked up. So that's wild. That's wild to me.
Speaker 1: Did come across like a consummate professional like you've been Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you've been series regular one hundred times before.
Speaker 1: That's how it read. Yeah, I think. I think when
Speaker 1: you when you do some pilots and they don't go,
Speaker 1: you kind of you know you you it feels like
Speaker 1: because you you try to develop that you know, that
Speaker 1: camaraderie right away then everything and you try to like,
Speaker 1: you know, attack it like you're going to be doing
Speaker 1: this series for years and years to come, and then
Speaker 1: they give you a collar. Yeah they didn't pick it up,
Speaker 1: so you're like, okay o loss. Well, speaking to that,
Speaker 1: I that was one of the first things that you
Speaker 1: imparted to all of us, and I'll never forget this
Speaker 1: from that dinner. The one thing I really took away
Speaker 1: is you and Harry kind of sat us down and went, look,
Speaker 1: you know, we could be doing this for five ten
Speaker 1: years if we're lucky, and we have a choice to
Speaker 1: make right now. We can be friends or and have
Speaker 1: fun or not. So let's get along, Let's be friends,
Speaker 1: let's do this together as a team, or we could
Speaker 1: be doing it for you know, thirteen episodes and well,
Speaker 1: you know what, we will throw up for a second.
Speaker 1: They held us for what six months off to season one,
Speaker 1: like it was down to like the why I remember
Speaker 1: it being like the week. Yeah, it was literally the
Speaker 1: day that our contracts expired. Yeah, yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 1: What's crazy about the second time around here now doing
Speaker 1: this show here is that I walk into places and
Speaker 1: I have immediate shadow Hunter memories, Like I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, this is where Ed took us when Ed
Speaker 1: was no longer our showrunner. That cafe is still there,
Speaker 1: you know, just stuff like that. The place where we
Speaker 1: had dinner the first time. It's called Marvin and it's
Speaker 1: like down the street, you know, And I got like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. There's that place Rock and Rodeo. I walked
Speaker 1: past there the other day, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the Burgher's priest Jacobs, Late Night Jacobs. Yeah, unrivaled Jacobs.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned Ed when Ed when Ed sat
Speaker 1: was down, he took me to coffee. He sat me
Speaker 1: down and I'd like just been broken up with and
Speaker 1: he was like you okay, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: good man, I just go from broke up with me
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, well you just got dumped and
Speaker 1: I just got fired okay. It was like bring it in,
Speaker 1: Oh man, how funny. Oh goodness gracious. Speaking of old
Speaker 1: memories and walking into Shadow Hunters and being back in Toronto,
Speaker 1: what was your first memory from set? Oh? You remember
Speaker 1: when we walked into the studio it was a sausage
Speaker 1: factory before you know um. And we walked into the
Speaker 1: second studio where it were like the Chinese restaurant and
Speaker 1: and Magnus's stuff was. We walk in there and they
Speaker 1: were all those fucking slot machines. Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 1: Like there was to the side like that's for some
Speaker 1: reason I always think of that. I'm like, what the
Speaker 1: fuck was that doing in there. Yeah, it was weird,
Speaker 1: like sort of underhanded, like background weekend the studio with
Speaker 1: like are we sharing this with the mob? What the
Speaker 1: fuck is that? Don't ask questions, don't ask questions, but
Speaker 1: don't talk about it. We don't talk about it. We
Speaker 1: don't talk about the slot machines. I just I think
Speaker 1: about that ship all the time, like I always, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, damn, that's weird. Yeah it was weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Season one there was a lot of weird shit about
Speaker 1: that studio, Like remember the dust like how how like
Speaker 1: just it was grind. The whole place was grind. If
Speaker 1: you saw it now, you would flip out. You would
Speaker 1: be like, no way. Yeah, it's like because let's every
Speaker 1: single like corner of that studio now is designated for
Speaker 1: something like purposeful you know, like it's nice. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's a trip. It's a trip. That's amazing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's so weird, except, you know, except for the fucking gym.
Speaker 1: It's no longer there. That's the only thing that I
Speaker 1: felt like, I'm like, what fuck the gym's not there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's like stunt training room or that tiny gym.
Speaker 1: The stunt training room. It's so disappointing and so depressing
Speaker 1: because you're like seriously like that was like the funnest
Speaker 1: part of this thing. Yeah, yeah it was. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: totally like it's empty and nothing's in there, hockey rank.
Speaker 1: Wait until it gets really cold flooded, open up the doors,
Speaker 1: let the cold in. All of a sudden, you got
Speaker 1: yourself like, oh, I don't know what happened to him, man,
Speaker 1: this is crazy leaks. Well, I just happened to bring
Speaker 1: my skates in with me today. I don't know all
Speaker 1: I'm always on deck. We're just bringing like two dumbbells
Speaker 1: every day. And then was like, what, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just this here. I didn't bring Stu, you know,
Speaker 1: like stunt Steve left all his equipment there that one time,
Speaker 1: Like I have no idea where that is. That was
Speaker 1: mental ment, like I was fully waiting. So for people
Speaker 1: who don't know, we had a one stunt team in
Speaker 1: season one and then a different stunt team in season two,
Speaker 1: which I think we've covered eight in the podcast at
Speaker 1: some point, and then the original stunt team just kind
Speaker 1: of didn't leave, so they were still like there while
Speaker 1: we're filming season two with the new stunt team in there,
Speaker 1: and we were like in lunch every day, and I
Speaker 1: remember it being like a matrix moment, like like fucking
Speaker 1: mouse is going to come in and be like they're fighting.
Speaker 1: They're fighting, Like we will just like just throw off
Speaker 1: food away and like run into the stunt rue what
Speaker 1: was going on. I would have loved to have seen
Speaker 1: that fight, by the way, I would like, I would
Speaker 1: love you have seen the fight. I think it would
Speaker 1: have been over pretty quickly. Yeah, I think so too,
Speaker 1: but it would have been interesting, man, And no kidding, yeah,
Speaker 1: get back a little bit. Um. You know something we've
Speaker 1: discussed with Alberto on the show, and we discussed with
Speaker 1: you know a few other folks. Those of you who
Speaker 1: were the first to play a certain down worlder or
Speaker 1: a certain you know creature on the show got to
Speaker 1: establish a lot and you got to establish the werewolves,
Speaker 1: ye know. I mean, honestly, like, it's so frustrating because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I love Todd and Derren, I love Ed too,
Speaker 1: but you know, the attention paid to the character of
Speaker 1: Luke not so much. But yeah, which I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, Like I mean, I understand, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, you just never like where did he live?
Speaker 1: Did you ever see his apartment? Like you don't know
Speaker 1: where he lived, you know, like he just kind of
Speaker 1: like roamed in it out. You saw somewhere in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: Apparently a lot of money for a cop, because you
Speaker 1: were always right fucking like as soon as we need
Speaker 1: you just are you know, yeah, didn't know where he lived.
Speaker 1: Like it was just interesting, Like like so I always thought,
Speaker 1: you know, there was some attention paid to werewolves and
Speaker 1: like also Maya, which which again I understand that too
Speaker 1: because her character kind of comes in and does you know,
Speaker 1: she's like kind of integral with with Simon and everything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, you just Luke was kind of
Speaker 1: like flapping. You know. He was good. You know what
Speaker 1: he was good for. He was good for exposition. I
Speaker 1: like like I would come in, I would say, well,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah and explain something and take us.
Speaker 1: I was a bridge. I took us from here to here,
Speaker 1: and like, as long as you know your role and
Speaker 1: like you're like, all right, so that's my role. And
Speaker 1: I had to figure that. I had to figure that out.
Speaker 1: I figured that out like the beginning of the second season,
Speaker 1: and so I remember the second block of the second season,
Speaker 1: Todd and Darren came out. They were like we all
Speaker 1: had our little meetings with them and stuff. And I
Speaker 1: remember I went in there, like I went and bought
Speaker 1: this like pile of wood, and I walked in the
Speaker 1: office and I dropped it and they were like, They're
Speaker 1: like like, what the fuck is like looking at me?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, they're like, what's this? And I go
Speaker 1: to wood and they're like, what, what's what? Fo I
Speaker 1: go because we're gonna have a fireside chat and I
Speaker 1: said so they were like they start laughing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I go, listen, guys, I go, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: I don't need much like I go. I need you know,
Speaker 1: two or three scenes every episode, one scene every year,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I don't care. I go for me. It's
Speaker 1: all about longevity. So as long as you don't kill
Speaker 1: me off and you just want to throw me in
Speaker 1: here and there, that's all I care about. I don't care,
Speaker 1: like I like, honestly, just put me in where you
Speaker 1: need me. You know, you don't have to worry about me.
Speaker 1: Just like you know, one or two scenes per episode.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it. And they and they pretty much
Speaker 1: stuck to that ram with it. It seems like a waste.
Speaker 1: If I'm honest, it seems like a huge waste like one,
Speaker 1: you were in town. Two you're exceptionally talented. Three it's
Speaker 1: a lot of money to throw an actor to be like,
Speaker 1: we're not gonna give this person a NALC. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like if you're getting series right out
Speaker 1: of mind, that's what I thought. But then again I
Speaker 1: was getting paid for it, so I was kids. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, Dom and I talk about this a lot,
Speaker 1: and the rewatches Luke is the only capable adult in
Speaker 1: the gang and the absolute worst detective in the world,
Speaker 1: like horrible, just a horrible detective. Terrible, Like how does
Speaker 1: a dog detective not find things? Like he just like
Speaker 1: like right, like I know, I like, he had no
Speaker 1: idea where he was going. But yeah, that's that's I mean.
Speaker 1: So if fans want to know, I literally asked them like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know you don't or at least gave them free
Speaker 1: rein to like do whatever they wanted to do. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't pushing up going like I need more, I
Speaker 1: need more. I was like, look, this show is about
Speaker 1: the kids. You don't need it's not the Luke Show.
Speaker 1: So you do whatever you need to do. And I
Speaker 1: think they that like made them like, you know, like
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about this guy. And then
Speaker 1: I remember, uh, like when I when like when I
Speaker 1: got it, I was talking to uh Todd, and Todd
Speaker 1: was all about it, and then I told him, I said, listen, like,
Speaker 1: I hope this goes well and everything, and we can
Speaker 1: talk about next season when next season comes, if we
Speaker 1: get next season. And I was just going to ask him, like, listen,
Speaker 1: demote me, let me be like, you know, just kind
Speaker 1: of recur and I can go off and do something else,
Speaker 1: because I was just like, there's no point in being
Speaker 1: in Toronto and not really working, so and you can
Speaker 1: save money, you know. I was. I had a whole
Speaker 1: like thing I was going to throw at him that
Speaker 1: was like, you know, cost efficiency of of letting me
Speaker 1: go right, yeah, because there is a huge perk to
Speaker 1: it sometimes being Yeah, as you say, like being a
Speaker 1: series regular, you are tied into whatever this one thing is.
Speaker 1: You can't go and do anything else really, versus you
Speaker 1: can really spread your wings and do other things creatively
Speaker 1: if you have the free reign to do that. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I was. I was, I was up for that. I
Speaker 1: was looking forward to it on this subject though, like
Speaker 1: the only regret that I have not even regret. But
Speaker 1: it's just like I wish I didn't push Shadow Hunters
Speaker 1: to like put a fucking mustache or a goatee on me,
Speaker 1: because like, God, my face when I don't have hair
Speaker 1: is like completely different, and like it's like so different
Speaker 1: like when I watched. When I watch, it's off putting
Speaker 1: on Shadow Hunters because it's like not Luke, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're like, oh, that's a that's a different dude,
Speaker 1: you know. So I just wish I would have told
Speaker 1: him that. I remember it in the script I remember
Speaker 1: in the scool we got the final scripts and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was yet because I didn't know
Speaker 1: you'd got it yet, and it just said in the
Speaker 1: scriptum and to Luke uncharacteristically clean shaven, I was like,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Yeah? Why it didn't make any
Speaker 1: sense because he has another job. But I'm I'm really
Speaker 1: glad on a nerdy level that they let you do
Speaker 1: that job because you were the best TV dad ever
Speaker 1: and let me come to set and see the cistern
Speaker 1: and just watch for a day and it was so cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was. So many things have spawned from
Speaker 1: that job. I can't tell you, like it's been so many,
Speaker 1: Like the friendships that I made on that like unbelievable,
Speaker 1: like unbelievable, and like one of the friendships as actually
Speaker 1: like the sweetest fucking man like who I actually learned
Speaker 1: a lot from just the nicest person, Fucking James McAvoy. Man,
Speaker 1: he has been. I can't tell you how cool he
Speaker 1: has been. Like ridiculous. This dude. We were out in
Speaker 1: London and there's you probably know it, don There's this
Speaker 1: place like it's like a Jamaican restaurant has this amazing
Speaker 1: jerk sauce. And he took he walks us over to
Speaker 1: the restaurant Lisa, and he walked us there, sat us
Speaker 1: down like he knew that the owner and they sat
Speaker 1: us down. He's like, all right, we'll be at the bar.
Speaker 1: So he left and go to the bar and it
Speaker 1: was so good. We showed up at the bar and
Speaker 1: then I told him I was like, man, I go
Speaker 1: that fucking jerk sauce was amazing. It's the best we
Speaker 1: do something like I think we were promoting the movie
Speaker 1: somewhere and he shows up with like a case of
Speaker 1: this fucking jerk sauce and he's like, hey, here you go, buddy.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, man, like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you did that. Like he's like yeah, He's like,
Speaker 1: give you no idea how hard that was to get
Speaker 1: the Excuse me, mister McAvoy, why do you have it's
Speaker 1: pretty coolabah. He showed up to a dinner ly, he
Speaker 1: walked to the table, He's just like, you go, what
Speaker 1: a dude, that's amazing. We should talk about it though
Speaker 1: as well. Like you, I feel very blessed you took
Speaker 1: me a matt to the premiere of it, yea, And
Speaker 1: I spent not even joking. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: told you this. I spent the hour like getting dressed
Speaker 1: and like on our way there thinking of ways to
Speaker 1: get out of it because I'm like, I'm not a
Speaker 1: horror movie guy, like I'm gonna cry, and all of
Speaker 1: the creatives are gonna be there, the other actors are
Speaker 1: going to be there, like I'm gonna I'm gonna cry,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna I'm gonna cry. And then I think
Speaker 1: we ended up sat either behind or next to some
Speaker 1: of your producers, and they kept like, I kept getting
Speaker 1: nudges like what do you think? And I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fucking great the whole time, which is what you
Speaker 1: want from a horror movie. It it works, but it's
Speaker 1: like big screen, and I was just like, just don't
Speaker 1: pish yourself. You wore a light suit today, Just don't
Speaker 1: pish your patents because everyone will know it's gonna be
Speaker 1: super passing. Yeah. That was I'm glad you guys made
Speaker 1: it too. I was at it. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and I know you're upset. Yeah, it was so upset.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be there so bad. That was a
Speaker 1: really cool experience. What was it like filming it? Because
Speaker 1: every goes. Honestly, it was like the best summer camp
Speaker 1: I ever had, Like even like as an adult thinking back,
Speaker 1: like I never laughed so hard in my fucking life
Speaker 1: like I saw it. God damn, Like like Bill Hayter
Speaker 1: just had me fucking on the floor like like laughing
Speaker 1: my ass off like all the time, still has me
Speaker 1: laughing all the time, like just like just random shit.
Speaker 1: That's the cool thing. It was, like everybody there was
Speaker 1: so you know, it was like talking to friends that
Speaker 1: you grew up with, like your entire life. Like they
Speaker 1: made the set such an accessible like place and everybody
Speaker 1: felt comfortable with each other and it was just so cool,
Speaker 1: you know, like even like there were no flare ups,
Speaker 1: and even when people disagreed, like even when we disagreed,
Speaker 1: we laughed about it later, Like we called people out
Speaker 1: on it and laughed about it, and it was like
Speaker 1: all right, you know, but there was no no bullshit,
Speaker 1: Like it was so funny, like so much fun Sorry,
Speaker 1: I would love to I'll tell you later. But there
Speaker 1: was a there was one moment late, late late at
Speaker 1: night when we I mean there was like three in
Speaker 1: the mornings, and you know, people get all squirrely and
Speaker 1: ship one of us just blurted something out and fucking
Speaker 1: we like everybody hit the Like we just died laughing
Speaker 1: because it was like, what the fuck was that? Like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. We talk about that a lot with
Speaker 1: Shadow Hunters too, though, the amount of night shoots we had,
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what made it's all so close,
Speaker 1: because you get to a certain point and then you
Speaker 1: just have no filter anymore. Just anything with many masks
Speaker 1: anyone's trying to put on it's just gone and you're
Speaker 1: just stuck with the squirreliest of Yeah, you can't help yourself,
Speaker 1: like there there comes. Everybody has a point too, like
Speaker 1: you try to pull together, like one time Alan, remember
Speaker 1: that carnival that they built in the other side of
Speaker 1: the studio one time Alan van Spring. I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about Alan. Just you had to work with Alan all
Speaker 1: the time. Dude, I love that man desperately. But when
Speaker 1: you forget a line or where you are normally you
Speaker 1: look after you say line and there's a script supervisor
Speaker 1: there who's on top of it, and they will feed
Speaker 1: you your line and you go back and you do it.
Speaker 1: Alan does this thing. I'm gonna move the microway a
Speaker 1: little because he goes, fuck line. But like you could
Speaker 1: be an inch away from him and you're like, this
Speaker 1: is great. He had me laughing so hard. So he
Speaker 1: has this you know, he has this like kind of
Speaker 1: like if you don't know him, he has this kind
Speaker 1: of like gruff, you know, stoic kind of like thing
Speaker 1: about him. But if you know him, you know he's
Speaker 1: a fucking he's you know, just like us. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: so he never shows that on set though rarely like
Speaker 1: he showed it to you like off the side, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He won't show that in front of the
Speaker 1: crew already. So one time we're in that carnival set
Speaker 1: and we're supposed to come running in like me and
Speaker 1: someone else. I think he might have been me and
Speaker 1: you like like we're coming running in and yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got somebody, you know. So so Hastings was directing and
Speaker 1: he's got this wind like that's like fucking like blowing
Speaker 1: and shit and uh, and he's like I would never forget.
Speaker 1: He's like he's like more wind, more wind, Like he's
Speaker 1: like yelling this to people, which he's like, who are
Speaker 1: you cecilthing Miller yells it and and and Alan's like
Speaker 1: there and then like I run in and like I
Speaker 1: can't hear ship because this wind is going like super
Speaker 1: super blowing and I and I just totally missed the
Speaker 1: cue like didn't whatever. And then he's like what what's
Speaker 1: going on? Like line line, like like like Hastings is
Speaker 1: yelling at right and then just like Alan's like right
Speaker 1: next to me and like that he goes cut cuts,
Speaker 1: is like you gotta say the line, and I just
Speaker 1: go this fucking win and Alan lost his ship laughing
Speaker 1: like he didn't he like he looked at me like
Speaker 1: like like what he just died laughing, And I was like,
Speaker 1: why do you think that was so funny? Like he
Speaker 1: thought that was the funniest shit. And then like every
Speaker 1: time I saw him after that, he would just come
Speaker 1: up and start giggling and he goes the fucking win.
Speaker 1: You just never know, You never know what's gonna get
Speaker 1: you on set. It could be the weirdest. Like the
Speaker 1: three of us and then Adam Harrington and we had
Speaker 1: a very exposition or like not funny scene around a
Speaker 1: dinner table in the in the Chinese restaurant, and something
Speaker 1: got us and it was like you can rewatch the scene,
Speaker 1: go back and rework the scene. Every single one of
Speaker 1: us has like a tear, like a floating tear. Almost.
Speaker 1: They had to cut between us so that when the
Speaker 1: camera does any one of us for more than like
Speaker 1: a second and a half, none of us are making
Speaker 1: contact the entire scene. It was something about that Chinese
Speaker 1: restaurant that made everybody start laughing, Like David Castro, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget like her, you know. David was like, you
Speaker 1: know he tried to Oh yeah, yeah. So he starts laughing.
Speaker 1: I start laughing, and um Peter Delawiz was was our director.
Speaker 1: I start laughing, and then Ali starts laughing. Ali who
Speaker 1: played Ali. She starts laughing. So we're you know, we
Speaker 1: start laughing. Take two, we start laughing. Take three, and
Speaker 1: then so Peter like comes over and he's kind of laughing,
Speaker 1: and he's like, okay, guys go He's like he's laughing too,
Speaker 1: but he's like, let's keep it together. Come on the youngest. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he goes off set and David like just he
Speaker 1: just looks up and he's like fucking dud and like,
Speaker 1: I just like I couldn't take I Like I fell out,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you can't do that. Like I was
Speaker 1: fun until you did that, Like what the fuck? Sometimes
Speaker 1: you just catch the googles and you just can't stop.
Speaker 1: But ah, sometimes you need those moments on set though,
Speaker 1: because we're doing you know, high stakes blood and guts
Speaker 1: all the time. Sometimes you just got a laugh and
Speaker 1: then refocus and get it back. Oh goodness. But okay,
Speaker 1: can we talk about the other extreme of that, which
Speaker 1: is another experience that the three of us shared in
Speaker 1: a very unique way. I was asked to keep it
Speaker 1: a secret from you guys. I was, I literally was
Speaker 1: contractually obligated to keep it a secret from you guys,
Speaker 1: so I couldn't warn you an advance. But we so
Speaker 1: free Form did a bunch of cross promotions with other movies,
Speaker 1: the movie The Ring and asked me to come because
Speaker 1: they had seen both of your pranking antics on set
Speaker 1: four years at my dismay, and I wanted to give
Speaker 1: me a chance to, you know, have a little revenge. Dude,
Speaker 1: do you guys want to tell the folks at home
Speaker 1: about what happened? It was sucked from the fucking beginning.
Speaker 1: It was sus from the minute I walked into that Yeo,
Speaker 1: do you remember hair and makeup lady? For some reason,
Speaker 1: I had like dyed black hands. I was like, the
Speaker 1: Fok's going on here? Like this is weird shit? And
Speaker 1: then they like shuffled us into hair and makeup and
Speaker 1: shuffled us out. I was like, science going on, Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening, but I'm glad I've got
Speaker 1: Isaiah with me because he's a big strong man and
Speaker 1: I'm not a big strong man. It was weird from
Speaker 1: the get go. It was fucking weird, and Ed was
Speaker 1: too happy. He was like, he's already like giddy about something. Shit.
Speaker 1: So they had me come in early and do like
Speaker 1: an intro for it, and then they put me in
Speaker 1: all the makeup in the wig and hit me in
Speaker 1: a tent in the corner. So I was there. It
Speaker 1: was just standing in the corner trying not to make
Speaker 1: any noise the whole time as you guys came in
Speaker 1: and you do what was crazy? Like we both didn't
Speaker 1: realize this though, because both of us were sitting there
Speaker 1: watching this TV, but like we should have been, like
Speaker 1: why is there a curtain under the TV? I have
Speaker 1: thought about it so many times since then, Isaiah, I
Speaker 1: can't even explained to you, Like I've rewatched that footage, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously this is going to happen, Like how the fuck
Speaker 1: do you realize that there who has curtains in front
Speaker 1: of their fireplace? Like what the fuck is this set?
Speaker 1: This is mental? Like, of course this is going to happen.
Speaker 1: My reaction is so genuine and so pure. If you
Speaker 1: rewatch the footage, my foot is up on the table
Speaker 1: and my reaction is and I fortunately didn't give it
Speaker 1: everything My reaction was to boot the table at whatever
Speaker 1: this thing was that was coming out, because in my head,
Speaker 1: I was like five, just out for folks who haven't
Speaker 1: seen the video at home, they showed these two gentlemen
Speaker 1: the scariest eight minutes of the new movie and then
Speaker 1: had me come out dressed as the monster screaming from
Speaker 1: underneath the tv um by far scarier than the first
Speaker 1: eight minutes of the film. Yeah, Yeah, that was That
Speaker 1: was horrific. Like I'm having heart palpitations just thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I think that was some of the best acting I've
Speaker 1: ever done, is pretending that that movie was scary, and
Speaker 1: and that's probably what That's probably what led up to
Speaker 1: the fact that like I was so scared when you
Speaker 1: popped out, because I was like, holy shit, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared for it, Like I was totally like trying
Speaker 1: to give them what they want for this promo, and
Speaker 1: then suddenly like UK, I was like, holy shit. You know, yeah, bravo, Cat,
Speaker 1: bravo ED and your team, because you really did get
Speaker 1: that decor by the way, No, definitely different Ed, but
Speaker 1: but you two got your revenge. You know, you get that,
Speaker 1: you got your revenge. Moments later, you really sent the
Speaker 1: bar quite a bit higher, if I'm honest, Like we
Speaker 1: do we start. I started pranking everybody at that point.
Speaker 1: I was pranking Alberto. Yeah, no kidding, Like I put
Speaker 1: I put one hundred and fifty of my head shot,
Speaker 1: you know, I got them all printed out and like xerox,
Speaker 1: and I put them all in his trailer, like under
Speaker 1: the toilet seat and like in every one of his drawers.
Speaker 1: I put them in every single piece of his costume.
Speaker 1: Then like a month and a half later, they were like,
Speaker 1: we're switching trailer teams, and the trailers just went off
Speaker 1: to some other production and he was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: found like eighty of them. I was like, fuck, dude,
Speaker 1: like forty of my head shot just didn't some random
Speaker 1: person's tractor twelve monkeys. He's like, this is something. Didn't
Speaker 1: you put a picture of your butt in there? One? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was pre the tattoo though, so no one could
Speaker 1: know it was mine. Speaking of tattoos, you guys, I
Speaker 1: remember you guys getting those tattoos also after the first season, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know, at the time I thought was crazy,
Speaker 1: but now I'm like, oh, let's get it. You know,
Speaker 1: at the time, I was like, we don't have a
Speaker 1: second season, but you know, I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: holy shit, you know, like this is crazy. A couple
Speaker 1: of people at that party got the tattoo done who
Speaker 1: were not included in season two. I remember that the
Speaker 1: stunt team. There was a situation that that part. Man,
Speaker 1: those parties were debaucherous. They can get crazy. They really were. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember I was leaving and there was someone who
Speaker 1: was like they were actually going to leave with them,
Speaker 1: and I probably would have left with them, but Harry
Speaker 1: like just like grabbed you by like the collar. He's like,
Speaker 1: get your asshole, you are going there. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that one right there was Yeah, like because because we
Speaker 1: went on to work with that person like for two
Speaker 1: more seasons, so it would have been absolutely like embarrassing
Speaker 1: and like weird, you know, working with that person. So
Speaker 1: fair enough. Yeah, back to back to Isaiah stating advice
Speaker 1: from fourteen minutes ago. Yeah, but have a Harry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always have a Harry. I need that on a
Speaker 1: T shirt. Always had Harry. But you know, we did
Speaker 1: really form a family, and we were able to get
Speaker 1: the show for three years, you know, three four years
Speaker 1: together and even we talked about this all the time.
Speaker 1: When we were shooting the series finale, you weren't even
Speaker 1: working that day and you came on the very last
Speaker 1: day to just, oh, hang out while we were doing wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no way I was going to miss that.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I like wrapped and then this
Speaker 1: shot on over. I was like, fuck, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely closer to this cast than any other, Like
Speaker 1: as a group, this cast more than any other cast
Speaker 1: I've been with, Like I mean honestly, Like I even
Speaker 1: like I did a short with the Amarad Like it
Speaker 1: was like a pandemic short that had nothing else to do,
Speaker 1: and she looked down the street and I saw I
Speaker 1: was like, I was like, yo, you want to come
Speaker 1: shoot this thing real? Yeah that was awesome. Yeah it's
Speaker 1: it's three minutes. No, but it's awesome that I that
Speaker 1: you can rely on these people, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like we did develop this like this group where I
Speaker 1: think we will have a comfortability with each other where
Speaker 1: it's like, actually, I think this person will be perfect
Speaker 1: for this, and like I've suggested, I think all of
Speaker 1: you guys a couple of times for something to actually yeah,
Speaker 1: I've done that too, Like several times, I'm like, check
Speaker 1: into this person, because this person might be exactly what
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I've done the exact same thing so
Speaker 1: many times. You try. I never got that job, so
Speaker 1: I obviously addition just fucking ball. You're like, it's not
Speaker 1: happening yet, So you try harder, Isaiah, if you could
Speaker 1: keep pushing me because I'm not very good. So I
Speaker 1: just need people credited. That's what that's a lie. You
Speaker 1: You're very good at what you do. As I said,
Speaker 1: I said, it's very text with you, guys. I was like,
Speaker 1: you definitely put the asses of the seats and Dave
Speaker 1: and so Isaiah, the man of many talents, the man
Speaker 1: who does everything. What's up next for you? This show?
Speaker 1: Can you talk about it yet? Or yeah, let's talk? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Um yeah. So it's it's called Cross. It's based on
Speaker 1: James Patterson's novels on Alex Cross. So um cool, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really cool. It's so so Alvis Hodge plays Alex Cross,
Speaker 1: and I played his partner. He plays Hawkman in Black Adam. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been in a bunch
Speaker 1: of cool is that it wasn't subtle. It's good. He
Speaker 1: was also in Invisible Invisible man. Um, yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: in some some cool shit. He's he's the lead. Like
Speaker 1: I I can relate with you guys now because I
Speaker 1: I like, this is probably the highest up on the
Speaker 1: call sheet I've ever been, Like, I'm number two on
Speaker 1: this show. So I work every fucking day. So which
Speaker 1: which I'm like, oh, okay, this is a different like
Speaker 1: this keep me out of trouble at least, you know.
Speaker 1: Well now I'm not dating anymore, you know, and now
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, I'm just out of the house now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a cool series. Um, it's
Speaker 1: about you know, these two these two detectives who grew
Speaker 1: up together. They were orphans together, and they're like best
Speaker 1: friends and and one of them some shit happened and
Speaker 1: uh and the other ones trying to help them out
Speaker 1: with it. So that's so exciting. We'll see how that goes.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be on Amazon. First season. We'll see what
Speaker 1: happens with a second season. Right, I mean it's right
Speaker 1: fingers crossed. Do you have a look like I just
Speaker 1: gave you the finger? I just s this is me
Speaker 1: trying to cross my fingers. But I'm crossing my fingers.
Speaker 1: I just didn't get it all the way around. I
Speaker 1: just have fingers crossed. I think one. Yeah, I was bad.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't do it there. Do you know when
Speaker 1: it gets to do have an AIRD eight? I think
Speaker 1: I think sometime next year. I don't know exactly when
Speaker 1: I know, Um, okay, probably a year from now. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll keep an air to the ground folks lacross on
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. Yeah it should be cool. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm fully bearded from that. Of course, the Grays don't
Speaker 1: are in this show, but dude, I'm starting to him
Speaker 1: gray as well. Man, I got a couple like you got.
Speaker 1: I think you got to like embrace them. It's you
Speaker 1: doing you You look fantastic. I think, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: you know what you do. I think you have to
Speaker 1: like think of it this way. You especially, is like
Speaker 1: young men want to look like you and have done
Speaker 1: now for like years and years and years and years,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So instead of seeing it
Speaker 1: as like I don't know how I feel about this,
Speaker 1: like your trend setting, that's what you're doing, Like you're
Speaker 1: telling people like that's what I'm gonna look like. I remember,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I don't think I'm at a
Speaker 1: school and saying this about Ed Dector. I remember when
Speaker 1: before we start shooting Shadowers, I was like all into
Speaker 1: like creating the character, and I was like, Ed, what
Speaker 1: do you think about having a gray streak down the
Speaker 1: center at which I have now down the center of
Speaker 1: my beard? That you know because he had it in
Speaker 1: in the movie. He had a great streak, and like
Speaker 1: very quickly was like, we're not doing anything in the movie.
Speaker 1: Did It was like okay, got it? Okay, understand Like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that was it was. It was like a quick
Speaker 1: conversation in the manner in what he said. It was like,
Speaker 1: I will not bring that up again. Got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got it? Got it. Well. On that note, we don't
Speaker 1: want to take up any more of your time. But dude,
Speaker 1: this has been a word. This has been so much
Speaker 1: fun to connect. If you guys ever do where you
Speaker 1: bring people back for specific episodes, there was an episode
Speaker 1: where I was living in that hotel. It was the
Speaker 1: beginning of my favorite It's my fucking hell, how did
Speaker 1: we not talk about this? We're gonna keep going. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite performance of yours that I got to be
Speaker 1: a part of, Like it was so like it was
Speaker 1: the Spider's web thing and it was just like one
Speaker 1: of those because I've seen you do there was in
Speaker 1: season three and I've seen you do as as we
Speaker 1: all did sort of the same thing, like you have
Speaker 1: your character down, we know who Luke is, we know
Speaker 1: this And one of my favorite versions of any anything
Speaker 1: when you're in a TV show long enough, I say
Speaker 1: this about Emerald as well, like when em when Izzie
Speaker 1: was on drugs. That was a really cool thing to
Speaker 1: see because it was such a departure from the normality
Speaker 1: that we understood is these characters, and we got to
Speaker 1: see you like at a loss, like completely broken, completely erratic,
Speaker 1: like completely at a loss, And it was my favorite
Speaker 1: thing working with you. And it's one of those fortunate
Speaker 1: moments as a scene partner. I didn't say very much
Speaker 1: at all in that scene and I got to just
Speaker 1: watch you do your thing. Yeah, but that is that
Speaker 1: actually helps, you know, I mean, it really fosters an
Speaker 1: environment that you can like, you know, you can build
Speaker 1: upon totally at that moment. But for all I'm saying
Speaker 1: for me is like as a performer, I just got
Speaker 1: to sit and watch you do your thing and just
Speaker 1: be like, fuck, this is good. This is really really good. Ship.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that scene didn't come up. We should
Speaker 1: when we get to that that episode, we will absolutely
Speaker 1: bring you back on because that was That was really
Speaker 1: And then all of the fucking climbing gear and like
Speaker 1: all of the mountain stuff. Yeah, because I got that
Speaker 1: jacket you did. I wish I had it. Man, aware
Speaker 1: of this though, this was funny. Matt made me aware
Speaker 1: of this. We had like ice climbing picks and like
Speaker 1: ropes and all this stuff, and I think we I
Speaker 1: think we'd gone off to Syria. That's where you were
Speaker 1: being It was it Syria, Siberia. That was it Siberia.
Speaker 1: And Matt was like, no mountains in Siberia where you
Speaker 1: got all that shit on? And I was like, that's
Speaker 1: a solid point. I don't know, man, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I do remember watching you guys shoot that and
Speaker 1: it was like Baywatch and the snow. You just guys
Speaker 1: were just perfectly coordinated and running and you can't sprint
Speaker 1: with snowshoes on, man, doesn't You just can't do it. No. Well,
Speaker 1: on that note, just thank you so much. Isaiah. You've
Speaker 1: been such a huge influence, not only on the Shadow
Speaker 1: Fan but on both of us. Um and I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough. So well, alright, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Before we all tear up, thank you. Take care. Return
Speaker 1: to the Shadows as hosted and executive produced by me Dominic,
Speaker 1: Sherwood and Katherine McNamara. Our executive producers Langley. Our senior
Speaker 1: producers are Liz Hayes and Diego Tapia. Our producer is
Speaker 1: Hannah Harris and Kristin Vermilia, and our intern is Sam Kat's.
Speaker 1: Original music by Alex Kinsey, performed by Alex Kinsey and
Speaker 1: Katherine McNamara, and the episode was mixed by Seth A. Lansky.