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Speaker 1: I don't know nobody that spawned black and brown unity

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Speaker 1: He is the patron saint of all of our streets,

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, Uh, we might fight

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Speaker 1: my angels soon. It's just it's only POC right now.

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Speaker 1: And I'm landing on this last quote. It wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about it hood politics, y'all. All right, So

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Speaker 1: obviously this particular story hits home in ways that many

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Speaker 1: of these stories don't, because this is my hood, this

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like my mom will say, ask some mustard,

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Speaker 1: Who knows. But anyway, they were discussing their plans about

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Speaker 1: So parents would purposefully not teach their kids Spanish, you

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Speaker 1: not a native Spanish speaker. But given the rest of

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00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 1: the context, Nah, she knew what she was saying. She

423
00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,719
Speaker 1: was being racist, don't get it twisted. But the thing is,

424
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: if you're not careful, you might miss, especially if you're

425
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: mom Latinos, you might miss what was being said around there,

426
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: unless you've been around enough black people to know that, like, Yo,

427
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 1: this is this is unacceptable. Now if you Kevin del leone,

428
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: do you check her if this is supposed to be

429
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: like an off Mike discussion about coalition, do you be

430
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: like yo, or do you know? All right? Whatever? She

431
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 1: just she being an extra. I don't know. There's been

432
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: times that I've been in situations where some of the

433
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: homies is being an extra and I'm like, I feel

434
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: like I know you better at the same time, like

435
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: you can't be saying this. In my scenario, it's when

436
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: the homies be making like homophobic statements and it's like,

437
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: all pause, you know I'm saying where anything you do? Pause,

438
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, nig you know we have to

439
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: like let that die on me. Like you can't just

440
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: be like, I know it's slang it, Like I need

441
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: to start being like hey, homey, like what if it

442
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: is gay that you know what I'm saying? Like I

443
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: have to learn how to like retrain the group text

444
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: to be like, you can't just be ayo. You can't

445
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: just be making like these inferences to like gay stuff.

446
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: That's like, uh, that's gay. I'm not gonna do that,

447
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: Like nigo, we can't talk like that no more. We've evolved,

448
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: you feel me now? So you have this uh misunderstanding

449
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get into, like the tensions among black

450
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: and brown communities, have this misunderstanding of these people don't

451
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: understand us. We don't understand as Latinos. You like, I

452
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: don't understand why y'all y'all figured it out yet, you

453
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You got all these opportunities here

454
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: and you're still in these projects. You know what I mean.

455
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: They're like, we nigga, we can't speak the language. That's

456
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: why we stuck, you know what I mean? From their perspective,

457
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: And at home, you're watching this television also that's clearly

458
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: colorist and racist, and it's only reporting on black people

459
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: in a certain way. And if you live in the

460
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: projects when you're working outside, it's like that's all you

461
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: see in too. And then on top of that, you

462
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: bringing your own colorism that came from you know, Mexico.

463
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, have you ever heard the phrase, like it's

464
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: basically it's called advance the race, Like, you know, I

465
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: didn't see that side, Like, so it's the idea of

466
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: like you have to marry white, you marry light, light skinned.

467
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: That is among one of latinos because it advances the race.

468
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: You feel me. So because again, anti blackness is global,

469
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So, like this is already

470
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: in their community and at the same time, somebody's gonna

471
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: have enough sense to say, how is it, you know,

472
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Malcolm X and stuff like how is it like power?

473
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Or have you thinking that another poor person is your problem?

474
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: You feel me? Did you wake up and you go,

475
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: wait a minute, y'all can't possibly be the problem because

476
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: you struggling the same way we're struggling. Maybe we should

477
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: work together. You're getting beat up by the police. People

478
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: started seeing the way we started getting treated by the police,

479
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the way it was like, damn, they treat you'all like

480
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: they treat us, and we're stuck in the same Its

481
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: the Willie Lynch theory. You know what I'm saying. You

482
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: you're stuck in this and we're fighting over the same

483
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: little mud pies. This ship ain't working this can't work.

484
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: But then they also see how black people organized. You

485
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: have to remember, like I'm going back thirty forty years.

486
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: You find out about the Civil rights movement, you find

487
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: out about the Black Panther Party, and then you get

488
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: the brown berets. You know, you see what's happening all

489
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: over the world. How the way we was talking was

490
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot more like listen, black, brown, Indigenous. You're seeing

491
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: on the other side of the country. You know, the

492
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: way the Puerto Rican community was bonding. You feel me.

493
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: You seeing how we're organizing and we're getting rights for everybody,

494
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: because it seemed like all the power and privilege was

495
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: only going to the white and the wealthy. At some point,

496
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: you like, okay, this ship, this this starting to make sense.

497
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: These black people telling us, hey, nigg they're not gonna

498
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: sell to you. You start seeing signs around the community,

499
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: which was true during segregation. At this time, it would

500
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: say in this restaurant, Black Mexican and Jews prohibited. You

501
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: started seeing like, oh, ship, they think we them, oh

502
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: that were getting treated the same. Maybe we should do

503
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: something about this. But before you were fighting over the

504
00:30:26,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: same resources. Right now black perspective after this, so the

505
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: black migration into l A. Uh, post civil rights movement.

506
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: You know, I've mentioned this before. My family came because

507
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: of the Watts Towers projects, because of things like redlining

508
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: and laws around city zoning and who would sell the

509
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: black people. All kinds of prejudice created this mecca in

510
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: south central Los Angeles. And I mean like Harry Belafonte

511
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: had a house over you gotta remember that was Hollywood.

512
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: You got Earth the Kid, you had Lena Horne. All

513
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: these people had houses in l A. You know what

514
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I mean, right, Obviously they were mega stars, So that's different,

515
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, And that actually what's crazy. It's like that

516
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: black community now is where the ten Freeway is, which

517
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: is you know what they do. But this hub of

518
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: black culture was developing because people post Jim Crow specifically

519
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: from Texas. You know, Oklahoma and Arkansas all came west, right.

520
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: And if you know black people, most of our families

521
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: from l A. Our families are usually if you're in

522
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: San Diego in l A, you in the Bay like

523
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: our families are oftentimes you know, they're from Texas. Just

524
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like statistically, so for the most part, south central Los

525
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: Angeles South l A was black right eighty and it

526
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: was hard fought. Like you have to think about how

527
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: hard we fought to gain political power, right, power in

528
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: the streets, power in this you know, our own issues

529
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: that we had among poverty and you know, and just

530
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: just just street life like this is l A like

531
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: it was black. Now South l A is eleven black.

532
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: Like we just whether it was gentrification that did the

533
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: housing vouchers because we got priced out, or it's just

534
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: so many of them, like and I don't say this

535
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: is like a disk. I'm saying no, literally, there are

536
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: so many Los Angeles, South l A. Los Angeles, the

537
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: percentage of Latino is fifty Latino. That means everybody else

538
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: is split among the other fifty. There's just so many

539
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: of them. So these areas, whether it was a fluent

540
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: all the way down again because black people stratified the

541
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: entire things of class two was you know, from from

542
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: nikoson garden projects all the way to Beverly Hills. Were

543
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: in every part of culture. Also, we was in the streets.

544
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: We created this sound, We made treasure out of trash.

545
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: What black people do everywhere we go, you know what

546
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then you get this influx of Latinos

547
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: and you're in the same hoods we are. At first

548
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: we was fighting over the same again, fighting over the

549
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: same resources, fighting over the same jobs. And then eventually

550
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: we started realizing in like, damn, they just like us

551
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: right now, that wasn't happening in the streets. Here's where

552
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: the streets meets the politics. Who's fighting for power, who's

553
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: fighting for space representation, who gets to control the street corners?

554
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: And a lot of that spilled out, spilled into and

555
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: back out of from jail, right, because you know, jail

556
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: if you, if you, jail is very racially divided. Right.

557
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: A lot of our relationships in the streets were symbiotic

558
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: in the sense that, like the weight comes from Mexico,

559
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: It's coming from whether it's the Cocaina or the Mary Jojana,

560
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: it comes from down South. So it's like, well, I mean,

561
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: we can make money together, you feel me, But I

562
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: don't trust you. I don't sunk with them, like you

563
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: see some of these O g s they like, oh well,

564
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: don't funk with the essays because they their own world.

565
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: That's day side of town. There's our side of town.

566
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 1: And that's how you kept the peace. You know what

567
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. We just lived segregated at first, but there's

568
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: just so many and black people started seeing our space shrink.

569
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: And you have to remember, like how long it took,

570
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: whether it was redlining, zoning, all this stuff to finally

571
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: have space and political power, Like it was hard fought

572
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: only to finally get to the table. To see now

573
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: that the PTA meetings is in Spanish, and it's like,

574
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: nigked ship, Like what have we been going through? So

575
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: now we can't get no jobs? Now everybody talking about

576
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: y'all situation, It's like, I mean, I get it. And

577
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: then y'all got the nerve and then for black people,

578
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: y'all got the nerve to be racist against us too.

579
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: It's like, well, ship man, how the funk you got

580
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: something to say about us? Nicky? You just got here.

581
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: You don't even know what you don't even know what

582
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: we've been through, Like you want the same projects it's

583
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: us where you think you better than us because it

584
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: just wasn't working, you know what I'm saying. So like

585
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: you had this these tensions that like forty years of

586
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: coalition building behind the scenes to create the type of

587
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: beginnings of unity that here I'm gonna argue, had a

588
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: lot to do with the l A Riot. You know,

589
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: the LA riots created the peace treaty among the crips

590
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: and blood for a little bit, and of course it

591
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: fell apart, of course, right, but there was a light

592
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: bulb that turned on among our communities that was like, oh,

593
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: you know why that lightbulb turns on because watch this.

594
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Because the police they put their cars right north of

595
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: the Tian Freeway. Because once you get north of the

596
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: Tian Freeway, you where the money is at least if

597
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: you if you're looking at South Central Corridor, you on

598
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: your way to Melrose in the Hollywood. So they was

599
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: like they could burn themselves down. People not stupid. You

600
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: start realizing, like we are underrepresented. Now you fast forward

601
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to now it's true the majority of local government is black.

602
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: We're we are now what you would call by the

603
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: numbers overrepresented. We're only but we make up two thirds.

604
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: Like we make up most of the political power in

605
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. Why nig it took us a hundred fifty

606
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: years man, but by sheer numbers of Latinos while they

607
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: only make up one third of political power. And so

608
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the question was how do they get equal representation but

609
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: not at the cost of black people. Right. There's a

610
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: story in the l A Times about this young man who, uh, dude,

611
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 1: this is Gorge Yeah, Jorge Nuno. He was gonna run

612
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: for city council representing the ninth district. It was actually

613
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: he built this like graphic design business really close to

614
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: where I'm from, Vernon and Maine. It's it's long story anyway,

615
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: that's the side that my family is from. But when

616
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: he decided to run for the ninth district, you know,

617
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: a Latino dude grew up on that side of town.

618
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: He heard a resounding you can't run for that district.

619
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: And who he heard it from was from his own

620
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: O geez, the Latino power brokers, like the power brokers

621
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: inside the city and say now you can't run for that.

622
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: He was like why, and there was like we have

623
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: an agreement to keep South l A black, which is

624
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: like what it's because over forties years, this coalition building

625
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: of understanding that listen, we need each other. The city

626
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: is both of us, and you understand that, like our

627
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: places to live or shrink y'all everywhere. Joe said, and

628
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: there's this understanding again because black people are now overrepresented

629
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: though we understand end that it can't just be about us.

630
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Our liberation is connected to

631
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: everybody's right, not to say that these black people are

632
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: altruistic in this situation. We ain't always innocent, you feel me,

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Speaker 1: But historical places like look in my own watch this, dude.

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Speaker 1: When I first started dating my wife, there's a city

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Speaker 1: called Lynnwood that's in south Gate. It's this uh sort

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Speaker 1: of the Southern Corridor, right next to Compton that, from

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00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: what I knew, was a black neighborhood. Yeah, I hadn't

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00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: been there in a lot of years. And when I

639
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: started dating my wife, she said she was gonna introduce

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00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: me to her nephew. I was like, where does he live?

641
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: It's like Lynnwood. I was like, Yo, we live and

642
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: live Wood with all those black people. She was like,

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00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: what did you talking about. I was like, we're talking

644
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: about the st Lynnwood Dog. I got off that freeway.

645
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: It was a Cardoon sal it was a north Gate,

646
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: it was an else Supair grocery store. Like there was

647
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: no signs in English. It was. I was like, when

648
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: did this place? And for her, she was like, it's

649
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: always been like this and I was like, no, it

650
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: hasn't this was a black neighbor hood. She was like

651
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: when I was like, yeah, I thought my whole life

652
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: just it's just numbers. Right. So for these things to

653
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: work and for us to have like equal rights and

654
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: say among Los Angeles, we had to build these coalitions

655
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: and listen, the same thing happened in the streets. This

656
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: was crazy, Like we built these networks of like, yo,

657
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: you messed with them, We messed with this, that's yours

658
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: part of town, that show it is, and then spilled

659
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: into hip hop right into music and the culture like listen,

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Speaker 1: it is embodied in Tupac. I hate to say it

661
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: like this, but Tupacs our patriots, saint like he just

662
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: we all love him. We share Tupac in in styles

663
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 1: and cultures like listen. I can't tell you who got

664
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: what from who, just even down to the way we dress.

665
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Nike Cortez them shoes right, the dope man shoes, I

666
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: think they're Mexican, right, dickies who wore dickies first, I

667
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: think the polos, white teas, But who had the flannels,

668
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: who had the gloves on their hand? Like easy he

669
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: had the gloves on their hands? Did he get those

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00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: from the Vatos? Vatos get that from us, like our

671
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: whole style addressed decreased Denhams. You know, the the Levi jeans.

672
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: I think those are the brothers. Those are the black dudes.

673
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: We got the dickies from them. They got to this.

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00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's symbiotic. Who knows who got what

675
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: from because we've merged our cultures. We outside at the

676
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: taco stand with the Homie Peppe, you know what I'm saying,

677
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: Like our our cultures, I don't know who got what.

678
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: Looks here's here's what's funny when you listen to again

679
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: all these like you know, the shy lights and all

680
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: this stuff that like all these Vatos was listening to

681
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: and a Low Riders. I bet you a million dollars

682
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: they didn't know all the bands was black people. Because

683
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: my wife didn't know. She was like, they're all black.

684
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, that is soul music. It's all

685
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: black music that's bumping out of these Low Riders and

686
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: that crazy. Like our cultures over the years have had

687
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: this beautiful exchange all to get blown up up under

688
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: the surface. Now finally, let's talk about what this means

689
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: for our survival and especially in this election time. These

690
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: are things we have to really think about. It's difficult.

691
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: I I you know, there's a publication out here called

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00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: l A Taco. It's an independent uh journalism. This is

693
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: a difficult story to cover because you have to be

694
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: like yo, just because you're Latino, just because you latina, Latino, Dad,

695
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: I've been really bad on my pronouns here. Don't mean

696
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: you ain't racist. Down't me, you ain't got some stuff

697
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: you've gotta deal with, right At the same time, you

698
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: should have more presentation, you feel me. But how do

699
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: you do that? That is not at the cost of

700
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: other underrepresented people. But here's where it's complicated. Black people

701
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: aren't underrepresentative, at least in Los Angeles. It's complicated. So

702
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: what did you do? Well? You did what l A

703
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: has attempted to do for the last forty years. Build coalitions,

704
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: do black and brown community community service things. Understand that

705
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: whatever you're provided for us, you provide for them, and

706
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: vice versa. That's why when you always hear me, it's

707
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: always both of us, because that's the experience here. And

708
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: when you look in the streets, a lot of that

709
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: gangship that's from jail, that's the old dude these young

710
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: niggas don't play that unless they just still on their

711
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: ignorance stuff. But there there's an understanding that this coalition

712
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: building has been very fragile and very difficult and very hard,

713
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: hard fought. A lot of blood has been shared physically

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00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: and metaphorically. But the way forward, if you were watching this,

715
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: could not have been just black people going to city

716
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: council and being like, yo, I can't believe y'all doing

717
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: this now. From a black perspective, it was hard. It

718
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: was heartbreak. We thought we was cool. Matter of fact,

719
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: and listen, listen, I'm gonna speak black people period. Like

720
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: when you when you're looking up and down the uh,

721
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: when you're looking up and down the ballot, and you

722
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: don't know who the person is. If you don't know

723
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: if that person black, you just look for the Spanish surname.

724
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: You look for the Rodriguez. You're like, oh, you're probably cool.

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00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because we're like, well, I mean,

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00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: at least you get it. That's our perspective. It's like, well,

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00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's not the same, but I'd rather have

728
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: one of them if it ain't gonna be one of us.

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00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: And this this put all that in question, but it

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00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: also gave us a chance to revisit the types of

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00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: unity among suffering people that could only lead to our success.

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00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: And again, it couldn't have just been black people in

733
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: the uproar. It's been dope to see the Latin community

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00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: come together and say we will not stand for this ship.

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00:45:46,920 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: Black love, Brown pride to live and die in that lane. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is the thing was recorded by Me Propaganda and

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Speaker 1: East Low Spoil Heights, Los Angeles, California. This mug was mixed, edited, mastered,

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Speaker 1: and scored by Matt Osowski. I can totally say his name, guys,

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Speaker 1: it was it was a stick. He's going by Matt

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Speaker 1: now again because he got into legal situations with the

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Speaker 1: name Headlights. Y'all know, common used to be called common sense.

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Speaker 1: You know, Tip t I was tipped Sometimes it happens.

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Speaker 1: Executive produced by the one and only Sophie Lichtman for

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Speaker 1: a Cool Zone Media and the theme music by the

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Speaker 1: one and only Gold Tips Gold Tips d J Shawn p.

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Speaker 1: So y'all just remember listen every time you check in.

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Speaker 1: If you understand city living, you understand politics, We'll see

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Speaker 1: you'll next week