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Speaker 1: Happy Saturday, everybody. This week on the show, we talked

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Speaker 1: about the practice babies that were part of home economics

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Speaker 1: programs from the late nineteen to the late nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, the babies in question had been

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Speaker 1: living in orphanages or other child welfare institutions in a

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Speaker 1: time while things like foster care and social work we're

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Speaker 1: still evolving in the United States. Got me thinking about

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Speaker 1: a previous episode that had some similar context about things

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Speaker 1: that took place even earlier during that whole evolution. That is,

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Speaker 1: the orphan trains, which relocated children, mostly from cities in

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Speaker 1: the US to rural areas. Welcome to Stuff you missed

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Speaker 1: in History Class, a production of I Heart Radio. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Chasey V. Wilson and

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Speaker 1: I'm Holly Fry. Today we are drawing straight from the

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Speaker 1: listener requests. Again. This is an the one that has

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Speaker 1: been requested many, many, many times. It is orphan trains.

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Speaker 1: If you have never heard of orphan trains before, this

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Speaker 1: probably sounds to you like trains full of orphans being

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Speaker 1: taken to new homes, just kind of correct. Between eighteen

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Speaker 1: they weren't really called orphan trains at all at the time.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the children were not actually orphans, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of times these families who were taking them

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Speaker 1: that we're going to tell today, UH And to get

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Speaker 1: kind of some groundwork lab we're going to start with

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Speaker 1: the context of the situation. After the end of the

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Speaker 1: War of eighteen twelve, the population of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and particularly in the eastern ports cities, really exploded. For example,

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Speaker 1: rid and by nineteen hundreds, or just a hundred years later,

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Speaker 1: many of these new residents were desperately poor and very sick,

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Speaker 1: having arrived with basically nothing from wherever they were immigrating from. UH.

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Speaker 1: And depending on where they were immigrating from, they often

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Speaker 1: As a consequence of this influx of people and poverty,

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Speaker 1: And that was the prevailing scenario, and an alarming number

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Speaker 1: Some of the children really were orphans, uh some had

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Speaker 1: The field of social work also barely, if at all,

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Speaker 1: This brings us to Charles Loring Brace of Hartford, Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: So the Children's Aid Society turned its focus to raising

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Speaker 1: Um When the train arrived at a town, the children

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Speaker 1: at the heart of today's foster care programs. This movement

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Speaker 1: Bruce's seemingly haphazard placement of children with families. A lot

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Speaker 1: Orphan Trains the American Heritage series that was are the

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Speaker 1: American Heritage uh TV show installment that was about the

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Speaker 1: Orphan Trains. Most of these are from the mid nineties nineties,

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Speaker 1: as the last writers of the Orphan Trains were getting

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Speaker 1: into their eighties and nineties, so very few, if any

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Speaker 1: of the people who were placed out on the trains

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Speaker 1: survived today, but fortunately in and the eighties and nineties,

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Speaker 1: people did a lot of documentation of like oral histories

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Speaker 1: family about their experiences. Today, the Orphan Train Complex and

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Speaker 1: other Orphan train historical and heritage societies try to keep

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Speaker 1: the movement documented and help the descendants of children's who

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Speaker 1: road to trains connect to one another. So a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of people have asked us to talk about orphan trains. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating it. Well, and it turned out to be

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more layered than what I knew of

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Speaker 1: it going into it. I basically knew the orphan trains

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Speaker 1: they took orphans on trains to get new families, and

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Speaker 1: that is pretty reductive. Yeah. Well, and it's one of

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Speaker 1: those things that there are a lot of complex angles

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Speaker 1: to it, Like, wow, the initial impetus for it was

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Speaker 1: surely like a good intent, you know it it ended

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Speaker 1: up doing some not so great things, but also had

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Speaker 1: some legacies that were good. Yeah. Well, and I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that uh may not have occurred

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Speaker 1: much common knowledge at the time. There have definitely been

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Speaker 1: efforts in multiple places in the world two place minority

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Speaker 1: children with majority families in an effort to make them

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Speaker 1: assimilate um And while that was not this like specified

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Speaker 1: intention of any of the agencies that were running orphan trains,

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Speaker 1: it did have a little bit of that flavor which

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Speaker 1: is troubling. Yeah, it's ah, like I said, good and bad,

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Speaker 1: some good legacy, some very unfortunate circumstances. Thank you so

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