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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Let's get you caught up on news.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 3: Hell that for me. I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 4: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 4: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 3: Edith Steak is that woo woom?

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Speaker 2: And them and Tie.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the solid verbal Boys and girls, my

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Speaker 1: name is Ty Hildebrand.

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Speaker 2: That fine gentlemen as always you know him. Well, we're

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Speaker 2: in a dad hat. Happy Father's Day Day.

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Speaker 1: Late so you, mister Reubensteinia as we record this on

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Speaker 1: Monday the nineteenth, Sir, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm good.

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Speaker 4: You know what happens when I meet new people, Tie,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure this happens to you as well. And

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Speaker 4: they say what do you do for a living? I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I do podcast stuff. And they're like, oh, what kind

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Speaker 4: of podcast stuff do you host?

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Speaker 3: Or your producer? You sell ads? Like no, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't sell ads or anything like that. It's it's

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Speaker 4: on the like microphone side of things. And we have

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Speaker 4: a couple and they say, oh, cool, what's it about?

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Speaker 4: And I say, oh, college football and they're like, ah,

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Speaker 4: I love college football. I went to Notre Dame. I

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Speaker 4: went to Wisconsin. I went to blobbaty blah, and I say,

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Speaker 4: oh cool, yeah, yeah, it's a fun show. We love

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Speaker 4: the sport. And they're like, what do you do the

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Speaker 4: rest of the year? And I say, no, that's.

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Speaker 3: That's the whole thing. Like what are you talking?

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Speaker 4: You like, do like NCAA tournaments and like the draft?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, no, just college football. And they're like, so

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Speaker 4: what do you like? Well, there's recruiting and you know,

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Speaker 4: schedules for twenty twenty four and so this is one

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Speaker 4: of those episodes where if you're wondering what we talk

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Speaker 4: about the rest of the year, welcome, welcome to that.

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Speaker 4: And I'm excited as always tie. But yeah, that is

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Speaker 4: the question almost without fail that I'm sure you also get, like, so,

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Speaker 4: like may what do you like Kentucky Derby or.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: I got the question yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I was out in the golf games with some folks

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Speaker 1: I didn't know all that well, they said what do

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Speaker 1: you do? I started to run a podcast, and of

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Speaker 1: course you get the same response, really, oh, okay, tell

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Speaker 1: me more. What do you talk about in June? Well,

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Speaker 1: as Dan alluded, welcome to the solid verbal today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to go into all of the news that we have.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, been letting kind of back up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. There's not a lot of news, but there's

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Speaker 1: enough that I think we need to go back through

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Speaker 1: and make sure that we're up to speed. As we said,

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Speaker 1: we're recording this on June the nineteenth, also known as Juneteenth.

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Speaker 1: Happy Juneteenth, everybody out there who is listening, perhaps on

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Speaker 1: you like to listen to your podcast. Dean, let's get

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Speaker 1: into news. Let's we're just doing this quick baby, right

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Speaker 1: to the point today, right to the bike Hi, jumping

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Speaker 1: right into twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty twenty four, twenty twenty three is not even

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Speaker 1: here yet. And don't think for a moment that the

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Speaker 1: thought is lost on me, your truly tie hilde Brand,

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Speaker 1: that whenever we start looking ahead, whenever we start getting

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Speaker 1: a little bit too far out over our skis uh huh,

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Speaker 1: that's when stuff goes crazy. That's when stuff really happens.

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Speaker 1: And so not just for this reason, I realize people

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Speaker 1: are looking ahead to twenty twenty four for a whole

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Speaker 1: did our schedule previews for twenty three. We're obviously going

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited. I don't want to get too far out.

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Speaker 1: But this is the news as it were in mid June.

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Speaker 1: We have seen both the Big Ten and SEC fully

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Speaker 1: model as well. You were going to say something, I'm

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Speaker 4: Well, it's one of those things that you know, people

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Speaker 4: like college football just wants to be the NFL, right

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Speaker 4: that you know, we want network television and we want,

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Speaker 3: And this sort of has that feel. Right.

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Speaker 4: The NFL tries to make an event out of everything right,

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Speaker 4: all right, we are we're doing a big schedule release

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Speaker 4: for twenty twenty four and this is how it's gonna

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Speaker 4: work out. And no, we're not going to play nine

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Speaker 4: or whatever, and so it does have that feel. So

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Speaker 4: what were your takeaways, ty?

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Speaker 1: Well, So, here here's the sequence of events, right, just

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Speaker 1: to fully bring everybody up to speed on the chronology

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Speaker 1: of such the Big Ten launched first, they hit go first,

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Speaker 1: and they released their new scheduling model called the Flex

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Speaker 1: Protect Plus, which I joked in the newsletter sounds like

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Speaker 1: something you apply to your upholstery.

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Speaker 2: Not crazy about.

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Speaker 1: The name, but what it means basically is do sound

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Speaker 1: like AI condoms? AI condoms? Yeah, I mean there's plus. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of directions that you could take this,

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Speaker 1: but basically what it means is that at least for

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Speaker 1: the next two years, each school has what they're calling

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Speaker 1: quote unquote two play opponents, which is buzzword bingo for

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Speaker 4: Right, This is all sounding like John Boyce's like, now

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Speaker 4: we're introducing Twitter's main lists and Twitter's homelesss not to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought the same thing. I thought the same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's Iowa has three protected opponents Minnesota, Nebraska, and Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Penn State is done, they have none. Penn State does

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Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, on the USC and UCLA side, which I

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Speaker 3: You see changes every two years.

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Speaker 1: UCLA gets Nebraska and Rutgers, which is awesome for them,

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Speaker 4: who's coming to the Chicago land area, who's coming Northwestern?

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Speaker 1: and no, no excuse me, next season twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: the schedule. The people are not all that concerned with scheduling,

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Speaker 4: terminology and architecture. But as you were saying that, I

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: Actually, Indiana's our flex to spot protected plus this coming season.

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Speaker 4: So I love all there is. How people just want

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Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a legend and leaders

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Speaker 4: Obviously, why can't pay state? Why can't Penn State play

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Speaker 4: Michigan State and the all hallowed land Grant Trophy. That's

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Speaker 4: Why that's just not happening anymore, or it's not protected.

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Speaker 4: It cannot protect it.

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Speaker 1: It will happen in twenty twenty five, but it's not protected.

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Speaker 1: This has been a thing with Penn State and people

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Speaker 1: I think has all been implicitly understood about Penn State

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Speaker 1: the Michigan State quote unquote rivalry. The Michigan State rivalry

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Speaker 1: when I was a student was more a rivalry from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a blood drive, admirable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's great, right for charity, it helps, But

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Speaker 1: in terms of a football thing, the Land Grant Trophy

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Speaker 1: played last game every year, never really felt like a rivalry.

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Speaker 1: Pitt felt like more of a rivalry Notre Dame. When

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Speaker 1: they played Notre Dame, that felt like more of a rivalry.

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Speaker 3: I agree, and frankly got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Frankly Ohio State, which is not a protected opponent,

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Speaker 1: feels like much more of a rivalry than Michigan State.

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Speaker 4: Well, this probably has I mean, has much to do

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Speaker 4: you don't develop that blood and that's.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely else and so that that made some waves I

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Speaker 1: think of the Penn State community in that people look

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Speaker 1: forward to playing Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't mean they can't play. It doesn't mean they won't play.

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Speaker 1: They do play Ohio State in twenty twenty four, but

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Speaker 1: it just means that it's not a protected game. And

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Speaker 1: I saw all sorts of commentary out there from folks

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Speaker 1: this is a bummer, we look forward to this game

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Speaker 1: every year.

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Speaker 2: To wait, we don't have to play them?

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Speaker 2: Teams, right, the reverse pivot explain No, I just.

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Speaker 3: Okay, here's where we're travel well, here's here's here's in LA.

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Speaker 1: It means that starting next season, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan and

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Speaker 4: So I'm I'm not that concerned about all of the

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Speaker 4: Are we going to get those stories about mel Tucker's

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Speaker 2: I'm here for that.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, it's more just I guess it's inconvenient for parents

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Speaker 1: Fly into University Park. It's harder for you to get there.

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Speaker 3: What directs.

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Speaker 1: Whenever we have this discussion, it's hard for you.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm saying parents, like, if you're

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Speaker 4: if you're living in southern California to get to State College,

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Speaker 4: you're not making a direct flight to University Park Airport

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Speaker 4: as far as I know.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Okay, all right, I'll lower the guns.

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Speaker 3: I apologize, Okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the SEC.

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Speaker 1: Then, not to be out done, the SEC decided that

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Speaker 2: They are trying to NFL ties this a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's not fully the.

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Speaker 1: Mississippi State made an AI themed video to announce its schedule,

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Speaker 4: Well. See, that's the interesting thing about this announcement. And

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Speaker 3: That's fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what I liked about what they

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Speaker 1: You don't need to hear me do that, but yea,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems fine.

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Speaker 1: They were allowed to play in some Conca Calf of them.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're playing in the Gold Cup coming up right

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Speaker 1: They were they weren't allowed to play in some events.

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Speaker 4: I think they're playing here right, there's a little.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had never known.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, I just I learned that last night, as I

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Speaker 3: Here in Chicago in a few days.

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Speaker 2: You should go.

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Speaker 3: I saw that some of the headliners aren't going to

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Speaker 2: No, no headliners will be there. Yeah, but you can still go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, cheap tickets still a billa Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: All right, anything else with scheduling, anything else that stood

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Speaker 1: I thought that the other thing that I would call

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Speaker 1: Alabama's schedule, their road schedule in particular next year is

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Speaker 2: They got to go to Texas too, Ole Miss and

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Speaker 1: So we can talk about this in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get too far down this rabbit hole,

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Speaker 1: with the way that this thing is drawn up. Which

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Speaker 4: Somehow rabbit hole, and somehow nine of these teams are

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Speaker 4: nobody's paying attention, and it's just become an in dependent

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Speaker 1: Say, Western Carolina have one hundred thousand seat stadium.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, I love your idea that they're just cashing checks

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Speaker 1: Dan, Let me move on and talk about San Diego State,

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Speaker 1: because if you want to joke about the John Boyce Twitter.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, thing, it's the best.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a a similar vibe to that with San

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, of course.

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Speaker 1: But but San Diego State also subsequently notified the league

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Speaker 2: According to sources, they're.

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Speaker 1: Exploring all the options and asking the questions the intention

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Speaker 2: This is very weird. Here is what this means.

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Speaker 1: What this means is it has long been rumored that

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Speaker 1: reports that official invitation has yet to come. But the deadline,

441
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Speaker 1: the deadline to actually notify the mount West without paying

442
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: thirty four million dollars is June thirtieth. They have to

443
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: let them know by June thirtieth if they want to

444
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: leave for next year. If they do so by June thirtieth,

445
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: the exit fee is sixteen and a half million dollars.

446
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: If they do so on July first, it's thirty four

447
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. So San Diego State went to him and said, hey, guys,

448
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: just like per chance you should want to leave? Yeah,

449
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: presumably by some point like later this summer. Could we

450
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 1: get that one month extension?

451
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 3: Sure?

452
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 1: From everything I've read, the Mountain West basically told him

453
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 1: to go pound stand of course, why would we do that?

454
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 1: Why would we let you off the hook like that?

455
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 1: This has much ado about nothing. I think San Diego

456
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: State could end up in the PAC twelve. I don't

457
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: know what the PACK twelve media deal is going to

458
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 1: look like. There are rumors out there at time of

459
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: recording that it might look like twenty two and a

460
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: half million dollars per school, which does not sound like

461
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 1: much to me, not a lot. Does not seem like

462
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,680
Speaker 1: that would go well for the PAC twelve as a whole.

463
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Speaker 1: I can't confirm that those are just speculative things that

464
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: are posted out in message boards and across Twitter. But

465
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Speaker 1: what is your read on this? I don't know much

466
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: about San Diego State. I'm an East Coast guy. Dan, Yeah,

467
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: you're a West Coast guy. You know a lot about

468
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Speaker 1: San Diego State, much more so than.

469
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Speaker 2: I do, much more so than I.

470
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Speaker 4: You're from there, well, first of all, I'm from the

471
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Speaker 4: San Fernando Valley. I grew up three hours from there.

472
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Speaker 1: From three hours from there, I'm from three hours Now.

473
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 4: What do you know about Woodstock, New York? Tie, let's

474
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: deep dive the demographics? What do you know about San

475
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 4: Diego State? What do you make of all this? San

476
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 4: Diego State is a very large party school, and it

477
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 4: seems like a great time and a great place, and

478
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 4: their football team has had a good amount of success

479
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 4: playing a ton of defense and not a lot of offense,

480
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 4: and has had guys like Ronnie Hillman and Donnel Pumphrey

481
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: and Rashad Penny those Marshall Okay, yeah, not of the

482
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 4: modern era, but Marshall.

483
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Speaker 1: Fire probably the greatest Aztec of.

484
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Speaker 4: All all purpose. Yeah, maybe the greatest all purpose NFL

485
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 4: running back.

486
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

487
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: Anyway, San Diego State has had a good amount of

488
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 4: football success on a non major conference level and is

489
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 4: located in a desirable place for people in southern California

490
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Speaker 4: or people anywhere to go to to play college football.

491
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: If the PAC ten eleven twelve whatever it's gonna end

492
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 4: up being, because I guess SMU is sort of.

493
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Speaker 3: Playing foot see as well.

494
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 4: Very maybe a couple of toes only quote unquote darkhorse,

495
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 4: dark Horse, dark horse.

496
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

497
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: So whatever, the PAC ten eleven to twelve reputation as

498
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: a major conference is moving forward after whatever happens with

499
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,479
Speaker 4: this TV deal. Sure San Diego State is quality. They

500
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 4: the pack whatever it would be adding a quality program, presumably.

501
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 4: I don't know if they are quality moving forward with

502
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: Brady Hoak because they have not for a good amount

503
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: of time figured out offense, but their quality, they win games,

504
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 4: they go to bulls whatever. The whole situation is odd

505
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 4: because everybody just sort of agrees it's a foregone conclusion

506
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Speaker 4: that at some point San Diego State is going to join,

507
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,159
Speaker 4: but they've got the money thing with July first, and

508
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: so the presumption is that there will be some sort

509
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 4: of TV announcement and then somebody's gonna leave and San

510
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: Diego State's gonna jump in. And so that's why San

511
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 4: Diego State is being careful with its wording. But yes,

512
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: it does like if you opened your studio door right

513
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: now and ask Kate if she would be open to

514
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: the possibility of you taking on a girlfriends but you're

515
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 4: not saying you will, but not for her to answer

516
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 4: right away. Would you be open? Is that okay? Is

517
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: that something that we could actually dialogue instead of just

518
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: being told no right away. I assume the response from

519
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 4: her will be less than positive. So it just has

520
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: the feel that San Diego State's going to be in

521
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 4: a new conference soon and they want an extension because

522
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: they're not sure when the TV money's going to come

523
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 4: in for the desired conference. And I don't know why

524
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 4: the Mountain West would entertain this at all.

525
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just found the memo. Yeah, funny

526
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: like there is a literal gas lamp district.

527
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: Of course in San Diego. It was very similar to

528
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 4: a gas light district.

529
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a gaslighting series of quotes here.

530
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: The intention of the June thirteenth letter, per source, wasn't

531
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: that San Diego State is exiting, right, It says in

532
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: the memo it intends to resign. That is the intention

533
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: per the memo itself. Yeah, but we're just asking questions.

534
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: We're just asking questions here about.

535
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 3: What if she were a redhead and you are not.

536
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: It's a totally different situation.

537
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 4: Totally take that totally different as me saying that you're

538
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: not enough, but also you may not be enough. Yeah,

539
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 4: that's has has real, real average lawyer vibes to it. Yeah,

540
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 4: all right, so San Diego State is likely intending to

541
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 4: be on the move, but not stating its intention.

542
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: Kirkland Brand Football Kirkland Santego.

543
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 4: Look, I I don't think San Diego State doesn't a

544
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: lot for me in terms of electricity for my favorite

545
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: region of football, But I guess you gotta do what

546
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 4: you gotta do.

547
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: You know what here's the deal? Yeah, I am sure

548
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: that George clear of cough our friend. Is not our friend,

549
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: but we've had fun with his name. Yeah, I'm sure

550
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: he is trying his level best to make this thing work.

551
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 1: He was dealt a very poor hand from Larry Scott.

552
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: Of course, Larry Scott is ultimately to blame for this,

553
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: and so who knows where this money deal is going

554
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: to wind up when all is said and done, whether

555
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: it's Apple or ESPN or some other media partner. If

556
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: it falls short, don't blame him because when he came in,

557
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: he was basically ambushed from all sides. And I don't

558
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: know if San Diego State is going to go to

559
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: a Power five conference that even exists. This may not

560
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: happen in due time, because if the numbers fall way

561
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: short and Colorado leaves, and Arizona leaves, and Oregon and Washington,

562
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: they get spooked and they decide to leave. I believe

563
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: those options will be available to those teams that they

564
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: want to go. Who knows what this thing looks like

565
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. It could all happen very very quickly.

566
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be alarmist about that I'm

567
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: not rooting for this because I think West Coast football

568
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: is exciting and I can't quite comprehend a world in

569
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: which there is not a Pac twelve or a Pack

570
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: ten or a Pack eight or Pack whatever. That to

571
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: me feels really weird, of course, but I think it

572
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: could happen quick, and so I just want people to.

573
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: Be aware of that.

574
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: It's a possibility and not one that I'm excited about,

575
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: but it's out there. This is what the people want. Apparently,

576
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: it's not what people want. This is what it's what

577
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: the networks want. It's what the schools want so that

578
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: they can keep pace with the money. But it's not

579
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: what we want it.

580
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 4: Just as USC needs that out back Bowl money tie,

581
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: you need that big ten Bowl alliance of Monday.

582
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: Well, let's just let's just keep talking. Let's just keep talking.

583
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: In a similar thing here, Jack Swarbrick stepping down as

584
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: athletic director at Notre Dame. We alluded to this a

585
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: little bit on a brew we did on a brunet

586
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: that we did, you know, a couple couple weeks back, now,

587
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: I guess two weeks ago. Keep Pete Bavaqua, excuse me,

588
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: the current chair of the NBC Sports group is going

589
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: to be taking over. Jack Swarbrick stepping aside definite vibes

590
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: from the announcement that it is obviously his decision to

591
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: do so, but also he's got other projects in mind,

592
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: so it was not like a hostile split of any sorts.

593
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: Jack Swarbrick has done a great job at Notre Dame,

594
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I think, leading the athletic tom the athletic program through

595
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: a period of relative tranquility and peace and prosper so.

596
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: Jack Swarbrick has been very active on the more national

597
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: level as well with respect to how they are building

598
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: the expanded playoff and many of the other decisions that

599
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: have gone down over the last fifteen years or so.

600
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Speaker 2: So he's leaving on very much good terms.

601
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Whether or not things change at all now that there

602
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: is an NBC guy taking over remains to be seen.

603
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has anchored itself to this idea of independence

604
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: for a good long time now, and you know that

605
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: I've said on this show time and again that it

606
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: is woven into the fabric of who they are. They

607
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: very much are one with independence. They take pride in that.

608
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: What is changing, though, obviously is the landscape of college football.

609
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: It's been the dominant topic now through thirty minutes of

610
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: this conversation. And what I think is an interesting angle

611
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: to just keep in the back of your mind is

612
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has been really big about playing a national schedule, right, Sure,

613
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: national schedule is the Big ten, not now a national

614
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: conference starting in twenty twelve.

615
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 3: Well, they have an agreement, a contracted thing with the ACE.

616
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: I know they've got that. I know I get that. Yeah,

617
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that playing a national schedule is

618
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: now possible in a conference, whereas it wasn't before. And

619
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Speaker 1: I could see with changing landscapes, with changing money, with

620
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: potentially things going boom here depending on what happens with

621
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve, I could just I could see that conversation,

622
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: and I could see that that whole mindset changing very quickly. Ultimately,

623
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: it's not up to Pete Bavaqua if they decide to leave. Yeah,

624
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: he could obviously have influence in that discussion. That's that's

625
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: a topic that president's debate and that boards of trustees debate.

626
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: But just kind of keep that in the back of

627
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: your mind. I know he said all the right stuff

628
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: with respect to independence, but the landscape is changing quickly,

629
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I think even Swarbrick knew that. He's

630
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: said as much that if they had to, they had to.

631
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: If conference affiliation was something that made sense in order

632
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: to stay competitive, it's something that they would consider.

633
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: Right.

634
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: There will be a moment in the next couple of

635
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: years where they have to consider that. I think that's inevitable,

636
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: But for the time being, just kind of commit this

637
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: to memory.

638
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: Can I write the press release? Is that something you'll

639
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 4: you'll give me the ability to do? When Notre Dame

640
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 4: joins a conference. We feel as if the spirit of

641
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: our independence is still intact with this move to join

642
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 4: the blah blah because we vote. By the way, every

643
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 4: other Notre Dame sports team is in a conference.

644
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: Is that right, It's correct?

645
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, so the independence it only applies to football money.

646
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: Let's be clear.

647
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: We feel as if in this historic move of Notre

648
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 4: Dame joining a conference, the spirit of our independence is

649
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 4: intact because of the fact, as you mentioned, that you

650
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 4: play Rutgers and USC and you have the national footprint.

651
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: So the spirit of Notre Dame as this incredibly wide

652
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: ranging and widespread institution, it remains intact.

653
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: You missed a big one, which is a big one.

654
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: You missed the academic tie in.

655
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: Of course, you missed the stand for joining the Big ten, and.

656
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Northwest other fine institutions of yeah, we felt the

657
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: time was right kink Kachin.

658
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
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Speaker 4: So, by the way, people people laughed at me, and

660
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Speaker 4: by the way, you should always laugh at me.

661
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying people shouldn't laugh at me.

662
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Speaker 4: People laughed at me like five years ago when the

663
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Speaker 4: playoff was becoming what it was becoming, and I was like,

664
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Speaker 4: Culturable as a TV show, that's all it is. And

665
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Speaker 4: that's okay, I love it. The Culturable is a TV show.

666
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Speaker 4: We're doing these things for TV and TV only because

667
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Speaker 4: TV is where the money is and now and ty,

668
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Speaker 4: you can have a counter, you can whatever. It's The

669
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Speaker 4: Pac twelve, Big twelve, Big ten and Notre Dame all

670
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Speaker 4: hired TV executives to run things.

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Speaker 2: That is the way it would line up.

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00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And I think Syracuse hired one as well

673
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Speaker 4: to run their athletics apartment, John wildtac So I'm just

674
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Speaker 4: just counting, tie, I'm just counting up here right now

675
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Speaker 4: that like, oh, we're a TV thing, and so we

676
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Speaker 4: hire TV people to run things. Now, this isn't this

677
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Speaker 4: isn't competitive athletics. This is a TV show.

678
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Speaker 3: So just taling up, tie, just tallying up. That's all.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of money, USF announced that it is building a

680
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Speaker 1: three hundred and forty million dollars stadium, could be ready

681
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Speaker 1: as soon as twenty twenty six. It's going to set

682
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Speaker 1: about thirty five thousand people. I'm pushing now. I want

683
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Speaker 1: to get out early and call it the bullpen that

684
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Speaker 1: you could be perfect but interesting commentary around this, around

685
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Speaker 1: this move, they just voted to approve it. Matt Baker,

686
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Speaker 1: who writes for Tampa Bay Times Tampa Bay Tribune. I

687
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: always screw up paper names. I apologize in advance, but

688
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Speaker 1: sort of highlighted the dilemma if you are a school

689
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Speaker 1: like USF. USF has kind of been left out of

690
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Speaker 1: these first and second waves of conference realignment, but fashions

691
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Speaker 1: itself as a big time football program. They've played some

692
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Speaker 1: big time games in their history. And in order for

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Speaker 1: this to go down, they have to go two hundred

694
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Speaker 1: million dollars into debt.

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Speaker 2: Is it worth it?

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Speaker 1: The other one hundred and forty million dollars comes from

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Speaker 1: privately raised capital boosters.

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Speaker 2: Donations, things like that.

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Speaker 1: But two hundred million in debt is is no picnic right,

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: That's a sizeable amount of money, And the chairman of

701
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: the board basically said it was a risk that we

702
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: had to take. The risk of not doing this, the

703
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: risk of falling behind in major college football is greater

704
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Speaker 1: than the two hundred million in debt that we're going

705
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Speaker 1: to incur and presumably have a plan to pay off.

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Speaker 1: But the renderings are cool. All stadium renderings are cool.

707
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Speaker 1: They always do. But that aside business stuff asided, is

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Speaker 1: exciting for USF fans. By twenty twenty six, I'll be

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Speaker 1: here before you know it. And to have a new

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Speaker 1: stadium is obviously something that you can use as a

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Speaker 1: recruiting tool. Who knows where USF will find itself when

712
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Speaker 1: all the shuffling is done, And.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think they're doing this to stay

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Speaker 4: in the American in twenty thirty seven or whenever it

716
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 4: is if the grant of rights and the acc falls apart.

717
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: They're trying to, you know, position themselves as the most

718
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 4: major program possible so that when the realignment cycle continues

719
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: to spin, potentially in USF's direction. At some point they

720
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: are putting their best foot forward and say look how

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Speaker 4: much we invested in a new stadium, and that we

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Speaker 4: are big time, and I guess it could work.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. They've had I.

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Speaker 4: Mean, they've only existed since what nineteen ninety eight seven?

725
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 4: Somewhere in there's a newer program. It's a newer program,

726
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: Jim Levitt forever, and then you know Willie Taggart and

727
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: Skip Holtz and god who wasn't recently Jeff Scott and

728
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Speaker 4: Charlie Strong, and you know, it's it's been a largely

729
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Speaker 4: mediocre program.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay.

731
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Speaker 4: It takes a long time, but they've had some ups

732
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Speaker 4: and certainly some downs, and I don't know. I wish

733
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Speaker 4: the best for them, but it does sound like just

734
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: like we got to put everything we can into this

735
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Speaker 4: because we have to. We have to broadcast the USF

736
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Speaker 4: brand as professionally as possible in the hopes that some

737
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: major you know, the mosquito of some major conference will

738
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Speaker 4: be attracted to our light and come this way.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good luck.

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Speaker 1: Put some respect on Matt Grothie's name, though, Dan, how

741
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: dare you?

742
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Listen?

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00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: Oregon played USF in the Sun Bowl. And if you're

744
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: a program that can be demolished by Justin Roper, all

745
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 4: due respect to Justin Roper, they were demolished by Jonathan Stewart,

746
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: who was very good.

747
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: Then.

748
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, there's some work to do. But that

749
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: was two thousand and seven. I don't know, it's a

750
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: long time ago.

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Speaker 1: Any other news that you want to talk about, Dan,

752
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: Think so, Ty, what else is anything? I mean, look,

754
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 4: it's mid to late June. We'll have media days in

755
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: the next month or so, we'll have camp opening up soon.

756
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be a little bit disgusting, Ty. When I'm

757
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: sitting on the john, I'm reading some magazines, getting a

758
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: little bit excited for the season, a lot excited for

759
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: the season. So no, everybody's just kind of waiting for

760
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 4: the Pac ten eleven twelve TV shoe to drop, and

761
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 4: I guess we'll go from there. It is kind of

762
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 4: funny that, you know, if you told mid twenty teens

763
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: Tie or DAN like one conference might be coveting Colorado,

764
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 4: Yukon and Kansas football joining forces. That'd be a weird

765
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 4: conversation to have and Kansas being the actual like leader

766
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Speaker 4: in the Big twelve in terms of the team and

767
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 4: program that makes the most money, athletic department that makes

768
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: the most money. I'd be a different conversation to have

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Speaker 4: in like twenty fifteen or something. So U yeah, the

770
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Speaker 4: Mighty three might come together soon. Colorado will see I

771
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: guess that seems to be the biggest threat to leave

772
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Speaker 4: the conference. But otherwise, no, man, I'm just excited.

773
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Speaker 1: I need to put I need to get the Leroy

774
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Speaker 1: Jenkins sound on my soundboard before that possible move, because that,

775
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: to me, would be among.

776
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: The funniest outcomes.

777
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not it's not unforeseen at this point

778
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: because we've been hearing about Colorado rumors. It's all the

779
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: started and well over a year we've been hearing about, Well,

780
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Speaker 1: Colorado might decide to go back to the Big twelve.

781
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: But Colorado, a program that we argued at the time

782
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: maybe didn't fit with the Pack ten Pac twelve and

783
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: has been you want to talk about largely mediocre, Colorado

784
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: has been there. I think we both like Colorado a lot.

785
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: We think Boulder's a.

786
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Great place for football, and sure there's obviously a ton

787
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: of great tradition at Colorado, but in their time with

788
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve, they've been mostly mediocre.

789
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: No, no, no, they've been the worst team.

790
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: They've been the worst team. Okay, I'm trying to be

791
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: they've been the worst. I'm trying to be kind, man,

792
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be kind. We have Colorado people who listen.

793
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 4: That's fine. But I'm not saying it's the worst school.

794
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's the worst program. I'm not saying

795
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: it's the worst people that are involved. Objectively, they've been

796
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: the worst team.

797
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: Objectively, the worst team in the conference since they joined.

798
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: For them to go cleats up and just Leroy Jenkins

799
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: their way over to the Big twelve and to just

800
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: start another wave of conference realignment would be will be

801
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: sort of like the Chef's Kiss.

802
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it.

803
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I don't think it's it's USC and UCLA

804
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 4: and Texas and Oklahoma that have been the ones that

805
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 4: have started the wave, this wave of realignment a couple

806
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: or last year.

807
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: It's uh, it's what was the old like, Uh.

808
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 4: I don't know who I made it. I'd make it

809
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: about different quarterbacks. Really, he's got five cars, yeah, and

810
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: they're collectively worth eighty three hundred dollars Big twelve has. Okay,

811
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 4: so all right, we'll see what happens. It's it's all

812
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: a bummer, and it's a bummer for the Big Twelve too. Honestly,

813
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: it's a bummer that like to lose those kind of

814
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: flagships schools.

815
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Is it?

816
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: Though?

817
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, and maybe this is spin,

818
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm sort of naive to this. Yeah, but

819
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: if in fact the Big Twelve is trying to steer

820
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: into basketball, you know, maybe that's them, Maybe that's them

821
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: shifting the narrative because they can't shift it as.

822
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: Much to football as they would like.

823
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if they are trying to make it about basketball,

824
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: if they can attract Arizona, if they can track Yukon,

825
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: that that's a very appealing basketball conference.

826
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

827
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, remember how appealing the Big East was as a

828
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 4: basketball conference? Is that all the same team still in

829
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: there and killing it, right, Syracuse? You con Pitt Boston call,

830
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 4: Like all those guys they're all together still right, just

831
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 4: killing it in the major basketball conference.

832
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Right.

833
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: They're on a they're on a WhatsApp thread.

834
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, cool, it's a strategy, I suppose. Yeah, we

835
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: could pivot to like D two football talk and see

836
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 4: how that goes for our numbers. But I don't think

837
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: that's happening anytime soon. All right, well, look right in

838
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: selverat gmail dot com. Let's know what's on your mind,

839
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: let's know what we miss. We'd of course beager to

840
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 4: get your opinions on this. If you're listening out on Spotify,

841
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 4: I'll post a question. It's a thing we can do

842
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 4: now to get your input, and we can publish it

843
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 4: alongside the episode, which is fun. If you are a

844
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Speaker 4: Spotify listener, make sure you rate the episode as well.

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Speaker 2: Rate the show with five stars. Presumably that does help.

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Speaker 3: Well.

847
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Speaker 4: I think we're losing a couple of Big twelve fans.

848
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 4: They might might be a two star kind of day

849
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Speaker 4: for them after this.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Big twelve fan and you're feeling angered

851
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Speaker 1: by this, don't leave a star review today, but maybe

852
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Speaker 1: wait until next episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, text tie six one oh no, continue no.

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Speaker 1: Okay, leave us a star rating or a review out

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Speaker 1: on Apple as well. That stuff really does help, guys.

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859
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Speaker 1: and sport. What Dan and I do. We got some

860
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Speaker 1: stuff we're gonna announce here in the next month, month

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Speaker 1: and a half or so. I'd be cool, get things

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Speaker 1: a little spicy time for the season.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Verballers dot com is where you can go for that

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Speaker 3: I would love for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Tie for that guy up there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: for myself, Tie hilden Brand. Buckle up for the next episode.

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