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Speaker 3: are most easy for a quarterback to complete, and we

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Speaker 3: take that, we run some machine learning on it. We

434
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Speaker 3: have some of stack rank metrics that we're applying to

435
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Speaker 3: things that the quarterback doesn't typically control. And then it

436
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Speaker 3: spits out a number, and so it has a pretty

437
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Speaker 3: high agreeance with how experts anna tape plays kicking the

438
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Speaker 3: exact number, but it's very high where the model agrees

439
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Speaker 3: with the experts. So we feel confident that the numbers

440
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Speaker 3: that we're able to give out correctly identify which quarterbacks

441
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Speaker 3: have the most difficult games, of which quarterbacks are the easiest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to give our listeners some background, I do

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Speaker 2: know you are a former player. It used to play

444
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Speaker 2: offensive line at Stanford with Andrew Luck and I'm sure

445
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Speaker 2: that's all going into it. I am curious, does it so?

446
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Speaker 2: What does it take into account? It takes an account

447
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Speaker 2: how easy the passes scheme? Does it take in like

448
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Speaker 2: opponent into account?

449
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Speaker 3: So I got to put this the right way. The

450
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Speaker 3: thing about machine learning is it's not you can't always

451
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Speaker 3: pick out what components are taking place, right so even

452
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Speaker 3: when you see on prime vision, if your Prime Vsion watcher,

453
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Speaker 3: we have defensive alert when it's giving out a recommendation

454
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Speaker 3: of this player is likely to blitz or not. I

455
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Speaker 3: can't go in and say this is the moment using

456
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Speaker 3: the components they're telling you we're able to do. Is

457
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Speaker 3: every single player in the NFL is tracking chips in

458
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Speaker 3: their shoulder pads in the ball on the we have

459
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Speaker 3: a wire frame of the field, a web of the field,

460
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Speaker 3: and we're tracking those player movements, and then we annotate

461
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Speaker 3: plays off of identifying these plays are more difficult than

462
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Speaker 3: these plays, and we stack rank different plays, and then

463
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Speaker 3: the model trains off that information.

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Speaker 2: So I can't when you're starting it out, are you

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Speaker 2: sort of starting it out like that it's more difficult

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Speaker 2: because the defense is playing. Well, I'm just curious if

467
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Speaker 2: it's including the defense all the way the.

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Speaker 3: Model works and I'm curious. Yeah no, no, yeah no,

469
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Speaker 3: you're talking to the biggest football door. The way we

470
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Speaker 3: view it is and identifies how easy the game plan is,

471
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Speaker 3: which we saw tonight for Eastern stick screen passes, easy throws,

472
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Speaker 3: get them all out quick. We know that is involved

473
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Speaker 3: and that we're able to match that up. We're able

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Speaker 3: to then also see as offensive line blocking correctly, is

475
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Speaker 3: this quarterback being pressured a lot?

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Speaker 1: Right?

477
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Speaker 3: You see that plays of pressure have higher difficulties very easy.

478
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Speaker 3: And then we have a we have a stat that

479
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Speaker 3: we co developed with next Gen Stats called prime targets,

480
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Speaker 3: which is identifying players that are open or likely to

481
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Speaker 3: convert a first down if they caught the ball in

482
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Speaker 3: that moment. You're you know, if you're watching the broadcast,

483
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Speaker 3: these are the players that light up green with a

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Speaker 3: green orb. Uh, because we're measuring not just who the

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Speaker 3: quarterback throws to, but is any other player on the

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Speaker 3: field open. So the more prime targets, the easier the players.

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Speaker 3: And so there's different metrics that go into it, but

488
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Speaker 3: all the player tracking data is also being measured on

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Speaker 3: top of it. So uh, we're able to confiantly say

490
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Speaker 3: that you know the coordinator, your offensive line, your and

491
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Speaker 3: your skill position players are are doing their jobs, then

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Speaker 3: you're going to have an easier game. There's also a

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Speaker 3: way that quarterbacks can be unie because if your quarterback

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Speaker 3: that your coach calls quick game and you do not

495
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Speaker 3: throw that quick game plat pass, you're gonna have a

496
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Speaker 3: difficult game. So that's the only way the quarterback really

497
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Speaker 3: is controlling how difficult their game is. And we've seen

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Speaker 3: quarterbacks do that where they're just gonna hold onto the

499
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Speaker 3: ball and trying hero ball a lot. That game makes

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Speaker 3: to play more difficult. Guys like Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen

501
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Speaker 3: who we see do hero ball things. They're not doing

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Speaker 3: it on the quick passes.

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Speaker 2: Right, they're doing it on the right on the right passes.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I saw you mentioned East and Stick had

505
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Speaker 2: a you know, uh, I guess it would be a

506
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Speaker 2: high score there in terms of it was easy.

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Speaker 3: It was easy, So the lower the number of the

508
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Speaker 3: easier score, so we scale everything from one to ten,

509
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Speaker 3: and he would have hit a little bit a little

510
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Speaker 3: bit above a three, which would have won one of

511
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Speaker 3: the easier games this year.

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Speaker 2: But to be fair, easton Stick not an embarrassment tonight.

513
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Speaker 2: Despite the fact that they had like no points throughout

514
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Speaker 2: the game. He actually ended up with two fifty seven

515
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Speaker 2: and three touchdowns and even early when I know there

516
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Speaker 2: was a fumble and he wasn't looking great to me, uh,

517
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Speaker 2: didn't do the bad. Congratulations to all the fantasy owners,

518
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Speaker 2: by the way, who had the gut to play an

519
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Speaker 2: O'Connell or Easton stick three touchdowns, four touchdowns for O'Connell

520
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Speaker 2: or Zamir White, nice night or Josh Palmer got the

521
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Speaker 2: long touchdown. It's like, if you had the stones to

522
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Speaker 2: do any of that, this actually ended up being a scorefest.

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Speaker 2: Let's use your new stat to break down my MVP ladder.

524
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Speaker 2: We actually haven't done this on the show. We've talked

525
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Speaker 2: like Dak Purty, but it's just kind of in general conversations.

526
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Speaker 2: I hadn't thought to sit down and do it. I

527
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Speaker 2: used to always write this as a weekly column at

528
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Speaker 2: the end of the season. I just want to throw

529
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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes in as like an honor roll mention, because

530
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Speaker 2: really he's playing outstanding despite everything that's happening around him.

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Speaker 2: But I wrote down six names because I could not

532
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Speaker 2: bear to not include Josh Allen as my number six.

533
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Speaker 2: I actually think there's a chance he finishes this season

534
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Speaker 2: completely on fire and is playing as high level this

535
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Speaker 2: season as just about anyone, and that could get into

536
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Speaker 2: people's minds for the MVP. Tied for fourth and fifth,

537
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Speaker 2: I have the two forty nine. As Kyle c and

538
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: Ann said, he did not want to pick between Christian

539
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: McCaffrey and Brock Purty, and I'm not going to either.

540
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Speaker 2: I'm going to give some reasons for that, but I

541
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Speaker 2: am curious how Purdy and this group matches up with

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Speaker 2: your your numbers in terms of the new stat you

543
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Speaker 2: came up with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so, yeah, so which guys did you want to

545
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Speaker 3: know first? On the difficulty range?

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Speaker 2: Let let's go, Let's go party. But you can just

547
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Speaker 2: tell me kind of compared to the rest of the

548
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Speaker 2: field and I'll run through my the rest of mine later,

549
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Speaker 2: Like how does Perdy rate out here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Party would be in the upper third right or

551
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Speaker 3: right of the edge. Of easiest quarterbacks, he's at a

552
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Speaker 3: four point nine to six. Tua is the lowest at

553
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: three point nine to one. Right, And a large part

554
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Speaker 3: of what we're seeing with Tua is the quick game,

555
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Speaker 3: and those guys are getting open, and he's not really

556
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: diverting off the quick game quite a bit, and he's

557
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Speaker 3: throwing behind line scrimmage, you know, over one hundred percent

558
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Speaker 3: of his yards in the or not over one hundercent,

559
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Speaker 3: that's just RhE most inside the red zone. Ninety plus

560
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: percent of his yards are yack, right, So easy plays

561
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: or screen. Screenplays are easy plays, and so we're seeing

562
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: a lot of that from him. But Brock Pardy, his

563
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: offensive line isn't blocking as well as some of the

564
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Speaker 3: other offensive lines out there, and so when you're looking

565
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Speaker 3: at how difficult it is, that's part of it. Now,

566
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Speaker 3: is it making it easier for him because there are

567
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 3: open receivers quite a bit? Absolutely? Is he being called

568
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: upon to play as much as other as to pass

569
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Speaker 3: as much as some of the other guys, not as much.

570
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Speaker 3: So we're seeing that on a total difficulty place. He's

571
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Speaker 3: not playing seen as many difficult plays, but he's still

572
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Speaker 3: able to operate within those plays. And you know when

573
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Speaker 3: the Brock party Dak Prescott is the two leading favorites

574
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: or the you know, the betting favorites right now, they're

575
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Speaker 3: right around each other. They're in the exact same territory.

576
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Speaker 3: So those guys, where's Lamar? Let me look at the list.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the more difficult ones because he's he's

578
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Speaker 3: running around quite a bit. Yeah, probably one of the

579
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Speaker 3: highest guys in the NFL the eligible players. So looking

580
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Speaker 3: at our list right now, Lamar is up there. So

581
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Speaker 3: if you're looking for Lamar as your MVP, this is

582
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Speaker 3: the stat to help back up your MVP.

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Speaker 2: Well you can just see, you know, put his rushing

584
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: numbers in there too, and his rushing QBR value. I

585
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: have Lamar number three right now, and before forty nine

586
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Speaker 2: ers fans go crazy that I would have you know,

587
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: Purty fourth or fifth. A lot of it. First of all,

588
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: it is some eye test and evaluating like how well

589
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Speaker 2: this player is playing relative, But having someone in the

590
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Speaker 2: top five MVP, and for me that would be the

591
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Speaker 2: top three quarterbacks is saying he's playing at an exceptionally

592
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Speaker 2: high level. I just like the other people playing at

593
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: an exceptionally high level, like a little more. And a

594
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 2: big part of that is what you mentioned, which is opportunity.

595
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Speaker 2: He has less than about one hundred less dropbacks than

596
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott. That's like two to three games for Brock Purty.

597
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Speaker 2: So when I think about that, they are asking Dak

598
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Speaker 2: Prescott to do more, which they clearly are. He essentially

599
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: runs the offense himself. He's changing all the plays, he's

600
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: changing the protection. He he has so much more on

601
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: his plate. It's just it's just a fact. And then

602
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 2: you're also adding that just volume wise, him and Lamar

603
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: and some other quarterbacks have such a higher number of dropbacks.

604
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Speaker 2: Lamar obviously as the running game. So that's why I'm

605
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Speaker 2: giving like a slight edge. I have Lamar three Tyreek

606
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Hill two because to me, his value, what he's doing

607
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: is just special at his position compared to maybe what

608
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Speaker 2: any quarterback season is having. If he can get over

609
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: two thousand, I give him a chance, and then Dak

610
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: would be my number one. Where where would you lean

611
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Speaker 2: at this point in the season.

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Speaker 3: Look, I have a tough time fault and breaking the

613
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: trend of VP per dropback deciding who our MVP is

614
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Speaker 3: going to be. It's done a pretty good job over

615
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Speaker 3: the years.

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Speaker 2: But that's looking back, like, isn't it that a team

617
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: not to jump in? Sorry, isn't that to me? You'll

618
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: be able to drop back a little bit of a

619
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Speaker 2: team stat more than a quarterback stat.

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Speaker 3: It's a holistic stat, absolutely, but you can't argue that

621
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks don't have the most impact. And then, for the

622
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: past seven years, I think, going back to Cam Newton,

623
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Speaker 3: the EPA for dropback leader has won the MVP. So

624
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Speaker 3: it passes the eyeball test in terms of quarterback performance.

625
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: And then I'll tell you this, this is probably my

626
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 3: favorite reasoning on why Eat Rock Party should win it.

627
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Speaker 3: When Kyle Shanahan was asked preseason two years ago if

628
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Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo is the starter, he said, I don't know what.

629
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Speaker 3: If we're all going to be alive tomorrow, how can

630
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: I tell you that? And then he was asked this

631
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Speaker 3: year if Rock Party was the starter coming off of

632
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: a ucl tair, he said, Brock Purty would have to

633
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: melt off the face of the earth for him not

634
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: to be the starter. So in terms of we're all

635
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: saying that Kyle Shanhan's the guru the greatest, how does

636
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 3: he view of this quarterback compared to the ones he's

637
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: had in the past. I don't know. So should we

638
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: take Matt Ryan's MVP away from him? Right? Because he

639
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: also led the league in mv okay, And so that's

640
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: where I look at for brock perty Now, if you're

641
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: asking me what I trade Brock Purdy for Patrick Mahomes,

642
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: if straight up, if I were the the Niners, you know,

643
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: I think I might take Patrick Mahomes on my team more.

644
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: It's just, you know, it's hard to separate out the

645
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: teams and the situations, and then my probably my last

646
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: tongue in cheek reason for Brock Purdy. He's the eighty

647
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: first highest highest paid quarterback in the NFL. So when

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Speaker 3: you talk about value you're getting for performance no more

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Speaker 3: point per dollar greater. So we're gonna go semantics on MVP.

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Speaker 3: He is definitely the most valuable quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: That that is a completely fair point and would be

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Speaker 2: a fun column like the most valuable players in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: like relative to how much money they're making, and he

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Speaker 2: would run away with that. I hear, I hear everything

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Speaker 2: you're saying, but I think like multiple things can be true.

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Speaker 2: I think Matt Ryan that year, for instance, was so

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Speaker 2: far ahead of the pack and was so exceptional in

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Speaker 2: every way that that it's okay to in that year

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Speaker 2: that he made sense for that award and to look

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Speaker 2: around the league right now, And again, the volume thing

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Speaker 2: really does matter a lot to me personally. And I

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Speaker 2: think Dak and Lamar are having exceptional season. But I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of splitting nits. And I also would say, like

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Speaker 2: four weeks is an exceptionally long time in an MVP race.

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Speaker 2: A lot of times what you think with four weeks

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Speaker 2: to go, it completely changes, and for me having pretty

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Speaker 2: third among quarterbacks, it's like three among great quarterbacks having

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Speaker 2: great seasons and there's very little difference between them. And

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Speaker 2: I'm very open minded to seeing kind of how this goes.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's okay to break from what voters

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Speaker 2: do in the past. Two people say like, well, you know, Tyreek,

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Speaker 2: you can't consider that because they haven't done in the past,

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Speaker 2: Like why do we have to why do we have

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Speaker 2: to be slaves to what is often an unthinking process

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Speaker 2: for a lot of the voters, because I know some

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Speaker 2: of their thought processes and they're just like asking the

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Speaker 2: assistance at the place they work at to do it

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Speaker 2: for them. Sometimes, like I do we can break from

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Speaker 2: the e PA has to be the the no the choice.

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Speaker 3: We actually can. I think it's just it's a little

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Speaker 3: bit of a tough pill to swallow when all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden for Brock Party, it struggles like we don't

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Speaker 3: have many non first round pick m vps. I think

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Speaker 3: it's Tom Brady. Did Tom Brady win MVP? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and then you have rich Gannon right was the last

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Speaker 3: after that? So, uh, we have a little first round

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Speaker 3: pick bias. So Dak Prescott doesn't follow that, but I

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Speaker 3: think that's what that's That could be a little bit

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Speaker 3: of it too. So look, and I know I know

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Speaker 3: the brock Party stuff. If you really want to get

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Speaker 3: me to start on someone, it's probably Josh Allen, But

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Speaker 3: I think you have to make the playoffs and they're

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Speaker 3: still outside looking in. So Josh Allen probably does more

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Speaker 3: for his team than anyone right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of with you on that, and it's a

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Speaker 2: good point. Dak Prescott fourth round pick, Tyreek Hill, fifth

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Speaker 2: round pick, brock Party, mister irrelevant. So it's not all

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Speaker 2: about the draft, Sam, I would love to dive deep

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Speaker 2: into all things Prime Vision, but I want to get

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Speaker 2: you out of there before it gets too late. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate you joining me, and look, if you're an overseas

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Speaker 2: listener and you don't get Prime, I feel bad for you.

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Speaker 2: But if you're here, because we do have a lot

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Speaker 2: of listeners overseas, if you're in the States and you

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Speaker 2: haven't been checking out, just just hit that down button

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Speaker 2: on the main broadcast and it really does change. I

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Speaker 2: wish it was an option, but maybe it's just nice

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Speaker 2: as a once a week kind of like dessert or

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Speaker 2: something like that watching the coaches film and everything that

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Speaker 2: goes on with the Prime Vision Live is a much

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Speaker 2: different experience than when you've tried to watch coaches film,

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Speaker 2: or if you've watched coaches film like after the Fact

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Speaker 2: and on Game Pass or on NFL Plus or anything.

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Speaker 2: It really is a fun different way. It's like being

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Speaker 2: there and it's been fun, and you've added a lot

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Speaker 2: to the broadcast. This here shit you, Sam.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much. Yeah. Now you have my number, you

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Speaker 3: have Alex Strande's number. You have the information. So you

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Speaker 3: have ideas, you want to see something during the game,

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Speaker 3: you send it over.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my son's got lots of ideas. He is hooked

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Speaker 2: on Prime Vision so he loves it too. So I

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Speaker 2: will be bugging you with that and our listeners. We

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Speaker 2: will be bugging you again. On Sunday the recap show

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Speaker 2: will be.

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Speaker 3: Live.

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Speaker 2: Wow Week fifteen sixteen games. We'll hit all the Saturday

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Speaker 2: games on Sunday night until then. For Sam Schwarztein, he

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Speaker 2: the call