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Speaker 1: Well, the first chapter of Genesis describes the creation of everything,

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Speaker 1: Is that really the case? And is there evidence that

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Speaker 1: In today's guest is here to help us take a

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Speaker 1: closer look at the evidence. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: Joiney around the table is April Simon's how are you.

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Speaker 1: I am doing great. I'm excited about this. Do you

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit and learn. We need some notes

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Speaker 1: a great science class. Dorothy knew, He's always ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to my lunch and larn Yeah, except the yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you and Rachel Lamb Brown have your curls going

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Speaker 1: looking great, looking great on TV Twin of Another Mother.

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Speaker 1: I know I had a lot of questions for our guests,

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Speaker 4: To have a lot of You need to have Judabray

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Speaker 1: He would just be well, he's got to watch this

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Speaker 1: table talk. We're going to talk about it for sure.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Johnson how are you happy?

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Speaker 3: Grateful?

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Speaker 2: Happy's good?

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Speaker 1: I just came right out. And look who's back at

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Speaker 1: the table. Sidney Murdock is here, My betty, all the

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Speaker 1: seen any bears and deer and lots of deer okay?

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Speaker 1: coming back to be on table talk with this. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: He is the director of the Wonder Center and Science Museum,

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Speaker 1: and he's here to talk about his book twenty one

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Speaker 5: All right, good, why it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: You came in fast. Some people come in slow will

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Speaker 5: It's just not enough hours in the day and with

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Speaker 1: You know, for centuries many have assumed that the Bible

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Speaker 1: David takes on in his book twenty one Versus Backed

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Speaker 5: Versus in the Bible, because I was thinking about it

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Speaker 5: Father Knows Best. Oh yeah, okay, remember that, And I

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Speaker 5: Yes, the Great Flood is an actual occurrence, an actual

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Speaker 5: Nearly every major culture have flood legends, but those flood

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Speaker 5: Outside Nashville in Dixon, Tennessee. We have it's about thirty

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Speaker 5: It is over one hundred thousand square feet. Largest science

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Speaker 5: museum in Tennessee, largest science museum in the world from

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Speaker 5: a creation perspective, from a biblical perspective. We have exhibits

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Speaker 5: kids hands on exhibits where they can dig up dinosaurs

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Speaker 5: and sand pits, or they can do augmented reality, create

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Speaker 5: their own islands. They can learn gears and stem activities.

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Speaker 1: They can go into space.

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Speaker 2: Right, they can go into space.

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Speaker 5: We got one of the top ten planetariums in the

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Speaker 5: entire world in the Space movies. In the planetarium, you

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Speaker 5: lean back and fully immersive in a dome sixty feet

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Speaker 5: around you with twenty something speakers. You're flying past galaxies

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Speaker 5: and planets through the rings of Saturn and exploring space.

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Speaker 5: And then immediately after that, we have what we call

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Speaker 5: the Tesla experience where we put you. Nikola Tesla in

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Speaker 5: eighteen ninety one invented this thing that makes electricity. It's

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Speaker 5: called the Tesla coil, and we put you in the

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Speaker 5: same room with one million volts of lightning with nothing

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Speaker 5: separating you from the lightning, and we pulse the frequencies

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Speaker 5: of the light of the lightning through those coils so

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Speaker 5: that there's no speakers attached. You hear music from the

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Speaker 5: frequencies of lightning, and it is an experience unlike anything

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Speaker 5: that most people have ever experienced.

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Speaker 2: But that scriptural as well.

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Speaker 5: That is very scriptural because we know that God, from

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Speaker 5: God's word, everything was created right, and so he spake

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Speaker 5: and it stood fast, He commanded, and it was done right.

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Speaker 4: It was created through the frequency of his voice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well.

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Speaker 1: And the Bible says that we don't worship the rocks

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Speaker 1: will cry out yeah and the trees.

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 5: And let me take it one step further because not

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Speaker 5: only does it say that God spake and it was created,

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Speaker 5: but that word is actually the living word that we

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Speaker 5: read about in the New Testament, the word became flesh

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Speaker 5: right and dwelt among men.

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Speaker 2: It's talking about Jesus.

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Speaker 5: Here, and it's saying that Jesus really was the creator,

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Speaker 5: making everything for us. So, in other words, it basically

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Speaker 5: means that our savior is our creator, our designer, became

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Speaker 5: our redeemer through Jesus. And that is so exciting because

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Speaker 5: we think about science and we say, yeah, but it

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Speaker 5: doesn't really affect me. It's like, no, everything within the

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Speaker 5: scientific world is just studying the things around us and

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Speaker 5: realizing it didn't happen by Jay.

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Speaker 4: Wow, How old do you think the Earth is?

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Speaker 5: So? I personally believe that the Earth is about six

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Speaker 5: thousand years old, and I do believe that most of

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Speaker 5: my colleagues would agree with me on that. And I

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Speaker 5: do believe that there is a tremendous amount of scientific

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Speaker 5: evidence that we could spend hours discussing that is pointing to.

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Speaker 2: That very same thing.

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Speaker 5: It matches biblical chronology, and it seems to be pointing

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Speaker 4: One more question, do you think the Earth is flat?

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Speaker 5: Do I think the Earth is flat? I've actually studied

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Speaker 5: this in depth David Reeves dot com slash flat Earth.

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Speaker 5: I have multiple videos on the topic.

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Speaker 1: It's round, Rachel.

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Speaker 4: That's a very highly contested topic.

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Speaker 5: It is extremely contested on TikTok, and I'm here to

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Speaker 5: tell you that I can walk you through a multiple

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Speaker 5: multiple frames of reference to show that it is spherical,

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Speaker 5: it is not flat.

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Speaker 1: So if we are exactly in that timeframe and we're

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Speaker 1: Jesus is coming soon, that's right, So how does that

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Speaker 1: fit in with everything.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it fits in one hundred percent, because if you

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Speaker 5: realize that we are here in this tiny little frame

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Speaker 5: when God created time right in the beginning, God created

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Speaker 5: the heaven in the earth. But what is in the

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Speaker 5: beginning in the beginning is the origin of time itself.

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Speaker 5: So that's God doesn't heed time, he's outside of it.

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Speaker 5: He made it for us so that He could be

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Speaker 5: with us. So if that time is just this narrow

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Speaker 5: sliver that we've been on this or that humans have

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Speaker 5: been on this earth, that this earth was created, that

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Speaker 5: the universe has been here, then that means that Jesus

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Speaker 5: is coming again.

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Speaker 1: Sin All right, well that's very important to talk about

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Speaker 1: for sure, But we are out of time. I want

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Speaker 1: you to remember that Colossians tells us that in him

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Speaker 1: all things who are created, things in heaven and on earth,

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Speaker 1: visible and invisible. And we're seeing more and more scientific

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Speaker 1: evidence that testifies to that fact. And just like He

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Speaker 1: created everything with a purpose, he has designed you for

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Speaker 1: a purpose too. And if you're watching today, if you

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Speaker 1: feel God stirring your heart, all you have to do

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Speaker 1: is just call on the name of the Lord. The

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Speaker 1: Bible says, if we confess our sins. He's faithful and

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Speaker 1: just to forgive us all our sins and cleanses from

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Speaker 1: all in righteousness. So you're saying, no, you don't know

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Speaker 1: what I've done, You don't know where I've been. Listen,

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Speaker 1: He loves you. He wants you to come to him today.

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Speaker 1: You say, Jesus, come into my heart, forgive me, and

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Speaker 1: he will meet you right where you are. Well, we

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Speaker 1: do have wonderful prayer partners you're standing by. There is

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Speaker 1: a prayer line number on the screen. If you prayed

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Speaker 1: that prayer. If you want to invite Jesus into your heart,

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Speaker 1: we have a free book we want to send you.

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Speaker 1: It's the Gospel of John. It's a great place to

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Speaker 1: start in the Bible. And I tell you, I know

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Speaker 1: some of you are just watching because David was on

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Speaker 1: the show today. But God had something else in mind.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to hear all this interesting scientific stuff, but

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Speaker 1: he wanted to penetrate your heart. In your heart is open,

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Speaker 1: like you're open right now. Because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: junk that's going on in your life. You don't know

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. And I want to tell you something.

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Speaker 1: Jesus is the answer. Give him an opportunity to become

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Speaker 1: real in your life. He wants to have a personal

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Speaker 1: relationship with you so bad, so you just open up

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Speaker 1: your heart. Well, I do want to thank David for

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Speaker 1: joining us today. Be sure you pick a couple copy

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Speaker 1: of his book Twin One Verses Backed by Science, Deepen

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Speaker 1: your Faith. For more, you can visit him online at

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Speaker 1: David Reevesmanistries dot org. Everybody's inbody to come out to

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Speaker 1: the museum.

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Speaker 5: The Wonders Center and Science, and it's open. It's open

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Speaker 5: all year around. Check the check the times on the website.

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Speaker 5: It's Wonderscenter dot org. And we're getting bus tours, church groups,

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Speaker 5: school groups, public schools are coming in learning the truth

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Speaker 5: of God.

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Speaker 1: That is so awesome. Well as always make sure falls

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Speaker 1: want to thank you for watching. Until next time, Thank

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Speaker 1: you ladies, Thank you David. You come back and update this.

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Speaker 1: I would love on another whole subject to It's like

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Speaker 1: a little encyclopedia. We'll see you next time by backwards. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, many wonder what heaven looks like, what if

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Speaker 1: you could see it for yourself? Well, today's guest pulls

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Speaker 1: back the curtain on his stunning encounter with the afterlife

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Speaker 1: and a breathtaking glimpse of God's glorious thrown. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to that, join me around the table while

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Speaker 1: we're still on Earth is April Simon's. We have the

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Speaker 1: best stories on here, and I can't wait to hear it.

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Speaker 1: You know, is heaven sweeter knowing that your mom and

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Speaker 1: dad are there? Definitely? And my dogs? So it's really well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that. We're going

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Speaker 1: to ask our guests about that, but I know you're

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Speaker 1: hoping for that. Dorothy Newton, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: You got all your gold on? Like the Streets of Gold.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Stores like this that's so compelling and captivating and transformational.

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Speaker 1: You know, stores like this is what brings people closer

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Speaker 1: to God. You never know, it's true. Rachel Lamb Brown.

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Speaker 1: I love to hear near death experiences. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: heaven is a real place. It's a real place. And

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Speaker 1: it's exciting to get just a.

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Speaker 4: Glimmer what it will be like. And it's something to

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Speaker 4: look forward to and be excited about.

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Speaker 1: And your dad is there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the promise of eternity that we get

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Speaker 4: to see our loved ones again, and so.

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Speaker 1: For eternity and then you're going to be you'll be

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Speaker 1: so happy for that one. Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Cindy Johnston, how are you doing? Hey, I'm excited about

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Speaker 1: this Heaven program. You remember that old song? Won't it

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Speaker 1: be wonderful there having no burdens? Want it to be

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Speaker 1: wonderful there, having no burdens to bear. Can't wait to

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Speaker 1: get there, for sure. Kendrick Kelly Dean, Hey, I want

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Speaker 1: to go. We're passing girls. Okay, Yes, it's very.

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Speaker 6: Yes, we were just talking about that.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, we're so excited to have Steve and

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Speaker 1: Kathy Boyles welcome to the table. So excited you guys

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Speaker 1: are here. Well, you know, if Steve's body fought for

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Speaker 1: life in a lonely hospital room, his spirit was walking

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Speaker 1: on streets of gold Well. Today, step and Kathy Bulls

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Speaker 1: reveal how an unexpected glimpse of heaven rewrote their story

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Speaker 1: and carried them through their darkest days. So, okay, you

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Speaker 1: wrote the book I've Been to Heaven, the true story

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Speaker 1: of a husband supernatural near death experience of the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to fast forward to that event that

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Speaker 1: took place on what day was it that.

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Speaker 6: December nine or twenty twenty one? It's when he was

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Speaker 6: admitted to the hospital.

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Speaker 1: But we have to go back and tell on Steve.

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Speaker 1: All of y'all listened at the table, all of you

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Speaker 1: watched all the shows we did on COVID, and we

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Speaker 1: about you know, information that was censored about ivermectin and

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Speaker 1: udaza night and botamin D and coursetan and on, and

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Speaker 1: we could talk on about all this, but you all

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Speaker 1: got sick with COVID, you and the family, right, And

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Speaker 1: so as the doctor, would you.

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Speaker 6: Say, well, I got us on all the ivermectin, hydroxychloric glan,

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Speaker 6: all the nutraceuticals, and so he started getting better. We

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Speaker 6: all were getting better. But then when he started feeling better,

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Speaker 6: he stopped all of it. But I didn't tell did

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Speaker 6: you not know he wasn't doing it?

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Speaker 2: I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: So he's just getting worse. You were not following the

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Speaker 3: And one of those, probably not the first time.

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Speaker 1: But you and the rest of the family, y'all got well,

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Speaker 1: we got better. Yeah, okay, so Steve, you started getting

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Speaker 1: worse and it was your breathing, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it hected all of us differently, but for me

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Speaker 7: it was my breathing. And I have had a hard

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Speaker 7: time breathing. And Kathy had gotten an oxygen concentrator for

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Speaker 7: just so miserable. I couldn't get in a good position.

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Speaker 7: I was just flopping around. I was just I was

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Speaker 7: fighting the whole thing. And she was having a really

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Speaker 7: bad headache. So she thought, well, it'd be easier to

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Speaker 7: take you to the emergency room so they can take

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Speaker 7: care of me, because she thought I'd only be there

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Speaker 7: for a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what did you think? You were just going

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Speaker 1: to get him some good oxygen?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well we had the oxygen, but I thought you

662
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 6: just needed seapap to kind of give him a little

663
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 6: pressure to keep the airways open. And so you know,

664
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 6: if you got cpap for a couple of days, he'd

665
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 6: be fine, And it turned out that he ended.

666
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: Up on a ventilator, which was not and you didn't

667
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: know that at first.

668
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 6: I didn't have any idea what the protocols were in

669
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 6: the hospital.

670
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Well, and then just talk a little bit about you

671
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: dropped him off of the emergency room, that your daughter

672
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: went in with him. You said, I'm going to park

673
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: the car and come in.

674
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 6: What happened and they took Steve in and Stacy called

675
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 6: me and said, Mommy, you just got to come by

676
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: and pick me up because they won't let me in,

677
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 6: and we just have to leave because they won't let

678
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 6: you in either.

679
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: So y'all that was probably the most criminal thing during COVID, Yes,

680
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: just not allowing family members into a room.

681
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: Were they nervous that you would get it was out

682
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: their reasoning?

683
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: No, we already had already had, but they just and

684
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: you were a doctor that actually went to the hospital.

685
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 6: Yes, And what happened was after we got home, they

686
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 6: basically contacted me. He said there was a committee decision

687
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 6: that it would be twenty days before I could visit

688
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 6: my husband.

689
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Twenty days.

690
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 6: Get there was not a scientific reason why that was

691
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 6: a decision of a hospital committee.

692
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's on the ventilator. You know that's not good.

693
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 6: Socember fourteenth, he got on the ventilator, okay.

694
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 4: And they have to ask you permission.

695
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 3: To do that. They asked me, but they didn't tell

696
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 3: me everything.

697
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 7: They didn't tell me all the details about being on

698
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 7: a ventilator. I was not I didn't have good information

699
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 7: to make a really, if I had realized everything that

700
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 7: they did to me while I was on the ventilator,

701
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 7: I would have said no way. But I didn't know that,

702
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 7: so and I was by that time, I was so

703
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 7: anxious to get home because I was so tired of

704
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 7: being in the hospital, just not.

705
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: Getting any food to eat. All I got was these

706
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 3: little insurers to drink. That was my meal.

707
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 7: And I got like two of those for lunch and

708
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 7: two of those for dinner, and I was like sick

709
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 7: of those.

710
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: So I was like, I want to out of here.

711
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: So whatever you guys want, you.

712
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 7: Suggesting, and I because I thought it was going to

713
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 7: be a good.

714
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Thing, because you felt like you were getting better.

715
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 7: I felt like I was getting better because I was

716
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 7: getting some good air through the seapap and actually all

717
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 7: before at that time, all I had was just a

718
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 7: nose canula. I didn't even have the seapap on, so

719
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 7: I was.

720
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 3: Just doing the nose canula.

721
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 7: And I thought I was getting better because I was

722
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 7: being rested, and you know, it was just taking some time.

723
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 7: I had had COVID for at least a week before

724
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 7: I got to the hospital. But then the hospital tested

725
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 7: me and said, okay, as of today, you have COVID.

726
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 7: The earlier part doesn't really count, so we're going to

727
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 7: start counting your COVID days now.

728
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: So, so, Kathy, why didn't they put him on the

729
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: ventilator if he was just on the canula.

730
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 6: Well, he did advance to the seapap and he was

731
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 6: on that for a couple of days. But he got

732
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 6: placed on a ventilator. They basically talked him into it,

733
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 6: and I found out after the fact, and there was

734
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 6: nothing I can do to stop it because I did

735
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 6: not have a power of attorney, and so he got

736
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 6: the remdeseverr. He got kidney failure from remdesevir. That was

737
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 6: another time. These are all the things we talked about.

738
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 6: This is this is really what happened. And when I

739
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 6: tried to get him to stop the remdesevir, they said,

740
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 6: oh no, he gave us permissions. So it's too late

741
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: because now he's in a coma and there's something I

742
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 6: going to do.

743
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: So they didn't think he would ever come off that ventilator. Okay,

744
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: so you go into the coma and now he's going

745
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: to get to go to heavens. I know you want

746
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: to hear about that. But while he's in the coma,

747
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

748
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 6: Well, when I found out he was on a ventilator,

749
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 6: I just wanted to cry out to God and say,

750
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 6: I don't know what to do. But the Holy Spirit

751
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 6: dropped in my heart and said to me, you know

752
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 6: what to do. And I knew the word of God

753
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 6: since I was a child, I knew the word of faith,

754
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 6: and so so I created a document with four pages

755
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 6: of healing scriptures and I began to speak those over him.

756
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: I have a prayer room at.

757
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 6: Home, so I spent a lot of time in that

758
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 6: prayer room, crying out to God, yelling the scriptures, praying loudly,

759
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 6: getting rid of all the doubts.

760
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Praying in the spirit, praying in the spirit.

761
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 6: Absolutely, you know, anyone can do what I did, And

762
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 6: that's really important for folks to understand. Anyone can do

763
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 6: what I did because I just took God's word. I

764
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 6: took him at his word, and I spoke his word,

765
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 6: and I had to fight the doubts, even though everything

766
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 6: around me and everything I saw looked horrible.

767
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I had to fight with the word. And that's what

768
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: we have to get you down here. And I think

769
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: you say he was going to heaven, and I felt

770
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: like I was going through hell down here. Yes, fighting

771
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: that battle. Bit, Yes, you went into the coma, and

772
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 1: then something supernatural happened.

773
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: This angel comes to me. Of course, you know, my

774
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: spirit man doesn't sleep. Your spirit man's wide awakes.

775
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Now you know what you're about to say. There are

776
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: going to be people watching that say, Okay, this is

777
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: crazy what this man is saying. This is the computer

778
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: analyst guy, y'all, like, this is the most cognitive person

779
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, go ahead and tell what happened.

780
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 7: So okay, And I'd never really thought about going to heaven.

781
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 7: She tried to get me to read books, and I

782
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 7: just didn't want to read them because I didn't thought.

783
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 7: I thought, someday, when I die, I'll go to heaven. Okay,

784
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 7: So that was that was my outlook. So I'm my

785
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 7: body's out of it. At Sennacoma, my spirit man's wide awake.

786
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 7: An angel comes to me, speaks to me in my

787
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 7: spirit and says, hello, Steve, my name is Marzuka.

788
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 3: You speel that m A. R.

789
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 7: Z Uka, and I'm here to take you to heaven

790
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 7: for a little while while your body heals. Okay, So

791
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 7: I'm thinking, sure, why not? I'm I got an invitation

792
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 7: to go to heaven.

793
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Why not?

794
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 7: I don't have anything else planned right now.

795
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: So your spirit man comes out of your netchet.

796
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: It is just like my body's laying down.

797
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 7: My spirit man just rises up out of it, and

798
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 7: then we just blast off and just start going to heaven.

799
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 3: Now.

800
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 7: People see they say see lights, they see tunnels.

801
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: I didn't see any of that.

802
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: I saw se space.

803
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 7: I saw space, I saw galaxies. I saw formations that

804
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 7: you would see pictures of in a Hubble space telescope.

805
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: Picture at a very high speed, at a very high speed. Yes, wow,

806
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: And he was right there with you.

807
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: He was right there with me.

808
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: Did you feel like a rush of wind or no?

809
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 7: Not really, I didn't feel a rush of wind because

810
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 7: you know, that would have been more of a body.

811
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: And this is my spirit Okay.

812
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 7: Now, one thing that my spirit saw was a lot

813
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 7: more different colored lights. Because we have a wider range

814
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 7: of vision with our spirit.

815
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: All the senses are enhanced. Yes, yes, okay. So where

816
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: did you land?

817
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 7: Landed in a field next to this building in heaven

818
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 7: best described as like a welcome center.

819
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: But what did the feel look like? Described the sky?

820
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 3: The sky was nice blue. There's no clouds in heaven. Okay.

821
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 7: I know there's pictures of little clouds and little angels,

822
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 7: there's no there's no clouds in heaven.

823
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: It's bright.

824
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 7: There's no shadows because God is the light of heaven,

825
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 7: so God is all over, so there's no shadow.

826
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

827
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 7: So which I thought that was pretty pretty amazing. But

828
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 7: the field was literally plush grass you could stomp on

829
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 7: it and spring right back up. Beautiful colored green. I

830
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 7: don't see a colored green around here, that same color.

831
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 7: But it's it's just beautiful, and it's just alive. It's

832
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 7: just you know, it doesn't die in the wintertime or whatever,

833
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 7: you know, So it's it's beautiful. The grass is just

834
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 7: this amazing green color. It's a it's a green that

835
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 7: we don't see here on earth because it's a different

836
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 7: shade of green that we can't see here, but it's plush.

837
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 7: You stomp on it and it just springs right back up.

838
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 7: It's just like vibrant and alive, and it's so soft.

839
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 7: If you if there were sleeping in heaven, you could

840
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 7: sleep on the grass and it would feel wonderful. But

841
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 7: I didn't see anyone sleeping. I didn't sleep there the

842
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 7: whole time I was there. I don't think you sleep Heaven.

843
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 7: You just awake because you got You got so much

844
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 7: life and so many things to.

845
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Do, and there's real purpose in heaven. In there there

846
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: is like it's like people think you're just gotta go

847
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: someplace and float around and saying, but there's real purpose

848
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 1: and people are about.

849
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: People do things. Okay.

850
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 7: So I saw a lot of musicians, So it's just

851
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 7: make a lot of musicians happy. Because I saw little quartetes,

852
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 7: quintets of different types of instruments playing different styles of music.

853
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 7: That's all over Heaven. Everywhere I went there was there

854
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 7: was music. You could hear choir singing when you were

855
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 7: just walking and and it was just this amazing sound

856
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 7: and the voices and the melodies were just amazing, you know.

857
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 7: Marzuka told me that God created music and he's getting

858
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 7: it back.

859
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: He's going to recapture heaven or recap.

860
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: It was like perfect tune, even though all the music

861
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: was together, but it was insane.

862
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, my mom told me that that she and

863
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 7: my grandmother sang in one of the choirs. She told

864
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 7: me that when I was when I saw her and

865
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 7: I I saw your mom, I saw my mom, I

866
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 7: saw a lot of family.

867
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Do you see your grandmother?

868
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 3: I did see my grandmother, yes.

869
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: And so she said she was saying in a choir.

870
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: They said they sang in one of the choirs.

871
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 7: And I thought, okay, when I went to church with

872
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 7: my mom and grandmother, I don't recall either one of

873
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 7: them having.

874
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 3: That grade of a voice, especially my grandmother.

875
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: And so and hope, So, Rachel, you I get an

876
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: a choir.

877
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 7: So Marzouk is walking with me and we hear this

878
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 7: amazing choir singing and he said, this is this is

879
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 7: one of the choirs that your mom and grandmother are

880
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 7: singing in. So I'm stopped and I'm listening trying to

881
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 7: hear the scratchy, out of tune voice. And it was beautiful.

882
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 4: So like your mom and your grandma.

883
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 7: Well, they looked like they were much younger. Okay, everybody

884
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 7: in Heaven is in healthy condition. Everybody he is young,

885
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 7: probably looks like I'm a terrible judge of age, but

886
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 7: probably somewhere between twenty five and thirty.

887
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: And ever ready to the table said, but everybody's in wonderful

888
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 1: shape and they're all healthy.

889
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: Just at one point, so I got to see a

890
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 7: lot of my dogs that all the dogs we'd ever had.

891
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: Well.

892
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 7: So one of the dogs, his name was Poppy.

893
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: When he came, he kind.

894
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 7: Of declared our house as his retirement home. He had

895
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 7: one eye, had a big scar across eve and we walked.

896
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: With the lamp.

897
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: He was in really bad shape, but we took the

898
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 7: best care of him that we could. And when I

899
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 7: saw him in heaven, he had both eyes, his hair

900
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 7: was fur was thick and luscious, and he didn't have

901
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 7: any scars.

902
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: He ran perfect.

903
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 7: With the other dogs, they were all just they looked

904
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 7: also healthy, they had all you know, we took real

905
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 7: good care of him, but they you know, they get

906
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 7: old and they get they die, and they get bad

907
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 7: things happened to him.

908
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 3: They were all healthy, perfect.

909
00:43:58,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: So what was it?

910
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: What were you feeling in that atmosphere as far as time,

911
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: as far as peace.

912
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 7: Like, well, it was like the most wonderful place to

913
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 7: be because there's no there's no strife, there's no quarreling,

914
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 7: there's no all that stuff.

915
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: There's no tension.

916
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 7: Okay, all the stuff that we have to go through

917
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 7: every day that we kind of just kind of kind

918
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 7: of get used to, Well, you get to heaven and

919
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 7: it's just it's peace, it's love, it's security, it's so

920
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 7: much joy that you know that that's what we should

921
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 7: have here. But but that's what it's like in heaven.

922
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: And I felt secure.

923
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 7: There is like no no harm's going to come near you,

924
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 7: and so it was just an amazing environment.

925
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: Are some of the things that you saw as far

926
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: as I know, you talk about a beach, a mountain,

927
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: et cetera. Talk about that, Well, I'm going to go

928
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: to the beach by the way, Well, especially if I

929
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: have a twenty five year old, I could rid Yeah, exactly.

930
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 7: So there was there was a beach scene and the

931
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 7: beach was actually next to what is we call the

932
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 7: River of Life, except when I saw it, it was a

933
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 7: wider area. But it is coming from the Throne room.

934
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 7: Oh and it had. God loves palm trees and I

935
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 7: do too. So there's palm trees around there. There was

936
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 7: beach around there, and so Marzuka, this is one of

937
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 7: the last places he showed me, and I said, oh, man,

938
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 7: I love this place. This is great. I love palm

939
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 7: trees and sand. He goes, yeah, I know, I've been

940
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 7: on all your vacations.

941
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: Well, our vacations.

942
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 7: We tried to go to Florida a lot because we

943
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 7: enjoy the beach and so we like to enjoy that.

944
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: He actually shared with you that there were times in

945
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: your life that as your guardian angel, he had saved

946
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: your life. You didn't even know it exactly.

947
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 7: He told me he'd saved my life more times than

948
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 7: I'll ever know.

949
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: Wow. One of the things did you see in what

950
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: other people? And of course we have to know if

951
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: you saw Jesus in the throne room and all.

952
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 7: That I saw just kind of a quick rundown. I

953
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 7: saw my niece. She had gotten killed in a car

954
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 7: wreck a week before she was supposed to get married,

955
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 7: so it was pretty tragic.

956
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: And then I saw her dad, who is my brother.

957
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: He got killed right after we got married.

958
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 7: He did our communion service in our marriage, and I

959
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 7: saw my mom and dad. I saw my grandmother, I

960
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 7: saw Kathy's mom and dad.

961
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: I saw a friend that.

962
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 7: I worked with, and then I saw a lot of

963
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 7: people I didn't know, just people that were just in

964
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 7: heaven walking around doing things.

965
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 3: Is it still crowded, No, it didn't. There was room.

966
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 7: It's not like walking down the street in New York

967
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 7: City or someplace where you're like this, or a subway somewhere.

968
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: There was a little boy that you saw.

969
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 7: I met this little boy who just really shocked me

970
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 7: because Kathy had been pregnant and she felt like she

971
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 7: was going to have a boy, but she was like

972
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 7: five or six weeks pregnant and she had a miscarriage.

973
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 7: And so I'm in heaven and we're walking to a

974
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 7: a place and this little boy comes up to me

975
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 7: and he goes, he stops right in front of me,

976
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 7: and so I'm looking down at him and he looks

977
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 7: like he's about five or six, and he says, he goes, hello,

978
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 7: my name's Daniel.

979
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 3: I think you're my dad. And I'm like totally shocked.

980
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 7: And if you can be shocked in heaven, I was

981
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 7: shocked in heaven, Okay, because I said, well, I said,

982
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 7: you know, Kathy was going to have a little baby

983
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 7: and she thought it was going to be a boy.

984
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: And we named him Daniel.

985
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 7: And he says, I've been here since I was really little,

986
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 7: you know. And he said, I've been raised in with

987
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 7: in a group with a lot of other little babies,

988
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 7: and he's.

989
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: He you know, he's growing up there.

990
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 7: And I said, well, Kathy would really love to see

991
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 7: you because she's real pretty and goes, yeah, I know.

992
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 3: I've seen her and.

993
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 7: Sorry, but yeah, it was It was pretty emotional because

994
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 7: I hadn't I hadn't thought about that, you know, I'd

995
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 7: always wanted a little boy, and then.

996
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 3: I finally got one. There.

997
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: He was Wow.

998
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: I got to spend time with him.

999
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 7: I got to pray with him, or not pray with him,

1000
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 7: but I got to play with him.

1001
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 3: We got to play catch, we got to throw a ball.

1002
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 3: He's got a great arm.

1003
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: It was.

1004
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 3: Just a lot of fun and it was so much joy.

1005
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: And who did he look like?

1006
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: He looked like he looked like.

1007
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 7: Both of us. I can see features of both of us.

1008
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 7: He had a little bit more olive skin, which is

1009
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 7: more like Kathy because I don't have that.

1010
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: I bet he had.

1011
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 7: He had the dark brown eyes. He kind of had

1012
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 7: some of my facial features.

1013
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: He had darker, dark brown eyes.

1014
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just kind of like Kathy.

1015
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: So you know, that's such a word for someone who's

1016
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: watching right now who had a miscarriage, but also for

1017
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: someone who had an abortion. If you know the Lord

1018
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: and you've received Jesus into your heart, you just said, Jesus,

1019
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: come into my heart, forgive me. I believe you out

1020
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: on the cross from me, and I want to serve you.

1021
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: I was just really salvation prayer. Is that easy? But

1022
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: if you know the Lord, you'll see that baby again.

1023
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: You'll see that child again because once an eternal soul

1024
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,720
Speaker 1: is created, it lives forever. Yes, and that happens at conception.

1025
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 3: Yes.

1026
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: So I just want to encourage you. And there's no

1027
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: judgment here from any of us sitting here. There's some

1028
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: of you watching. You've had an abortion. It's going to

1029
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: almost make you like tear up, just like it did

1030
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: with Steve. But just to know that you will see

1031
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: that child. Okay, You're going to see that child again.

1032
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: And I've had others talk about that as well that

1033
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: had near death experiences. Okay, So Jesus. We want to

1034
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,720
Speaker 1: hear about it? Do you want to hear about Jens? Okay?

1035
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: So, okay.

1036
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 7: So I got to go to the throne room, and

1037
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 7: that was the last place I got to go. And

1038
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 7: so the throne room is pretty amazing.

1039
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: It's hard to describe.

1040
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, describe it.

1041
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: Describe it. I'll be my best, Okay.

1042
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 7: So I walk in and there's the walls are gold

1043
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 7: with nice big jewels all around.

1044
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: There's thunder.

1045
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 7: There's a big rainbow behind the thrones.

1046
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: So there's kind of a long walk, and then there's.

1047
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 7: Like seven steps to go up to us, like a

1048
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 7: throne platform.

1049
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 3: And there's two thrones that I saw.

1050
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 7: One had God the Father sitting in it, except he

1051
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 7: was light.

1052
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: I couldn't see a figure. I just saw light.

1053
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 7: And then the next throne next to him had Jesus

1054
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 7: sitting in it.

1055
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 3: The thrones looked identical.

1056
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,240
Speaker 7: They were both amazingly decorated and just looked like kingly

1057
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 7: thrones more so than anything you might see here on Earth.

1058
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 7: There was a thunder and lightning. There was rainbows on

1059
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 7: the other side of the stage. I saw the Manora,

1060
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 7: I saw the arc of the Covenant, I saw the

1061
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 7: thrones of the twenty four Elders. I didn't necessarily see

1062
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 7: the faces or the people sitting into thrones, but I

1063
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 7: saw the thrones there.

1064
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: And then I walked.

1065
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 7: I was walking up and Marzuk was walking with me,

1066
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 7: and he knelt down, and then he pushed me forward

1067
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 7: to keep going. And so then I got to about

1068
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 7: ten feet from these stairs, and then Jesus stood up

1069
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 7: and walked down to me. Jesus looked like he's about

1070
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 7: six ones, six to six one, something like that.

1071
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: You said, there's a picture that, Yes, yes, there's a

1072
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: picture a little more.

1073
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's older now that He had a little bit

1074
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 7: longer hair. He had piercing blue eyes, had a nice

1075
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 7: trimmed beard. He had on a robe with a white

1076
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 7: robe with a purple sash that goes across his chest.

1077
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 7: I saw the scars in his hands. I saw the

1078
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 7: scars on his feet.

1079
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: How did you respond to that when you saw that?

1080
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it was.

1081
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 7: It's kind of mixed, because you know, I didn't I

1082
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 7: didn't feel any fear. I didn't feel I felt nothing

1083
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 7: but love. But when I saw that, it really hit

1084
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 7: home to me that, you know, it's just not a story,

1085
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 7: it's a real.

1086
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 3: It's the real thing. It's he's the real person.

1087
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: He really died for us.

1088
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 3: He did really die for us.

1089
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 7: And you know, he he showed me a couple of

1090
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 7: pictures of myself and he said, this is.

1091
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: You, and I looked like I was in bad shape.

1092
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 7: And he said, but you're going to be just fine,

1093
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 7: because that's when I was in the hospital. And then

1094
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 7: he said he showed me another picture. It was exactly

1095
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 7: the same picture.

1096
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: He said.

1097
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 7: The first one was in like black and white, the

1098
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 7: second one was in color, and he said, this is you,

1099
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 7: and you're going to be just fine. And I had

1100
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 7: on this outfit that looked best described as being like

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Speaker 7: red and white pajamas. He says, you're you're going to

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Speaker 7: be fine because you're healed by my blood and my righteousness.

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Speaker 3: And so then I told him I loved him, and

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Speaker 3: he gave me this big hug that I'll never forget.

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Speaker 7: And I can still feel it now because I felt

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Speaker 7: so much peace and warmth and protection and love and

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Speaker 7: just I could go on and on talking about how

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Speaker 7: it felt, and it's just not enough words can describe it.

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Speaker 3: That it's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, you're back in your body.

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Speaker 7: Well, let me say one more thing, because when I'm

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Speaker 7: walking out, I asked Marzuka, I said, how come you

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Speaker 7: kneel down? And you pushed me forward? And he said,

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Speaker 7: because the Lord is my master and I serve him,

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Speaker 7: so I kneel before him. You are a family, you

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Speaker 7: go boldly into his throne room. And he pushed me

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Speaker 7: forward because the word says that we go boldly into

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Speaker 7: the throne room of God. And so that just like

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Speaker 7: made that so alive, that verse. Because God wants us

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Speaker 7: to come into his presence. He doesn't make us crawl

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Speaker 7: and gravel and crawl to it. We don't do that

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Speaker 7: with our kids, So why would God do that with

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Speaker 7: his kids? And he's a better parent than we are.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I know we're just about out of time. But

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Speaker 1: you came back into your body and it was a

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Speaker 1: miracle really that you survived and he came out of

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Speaker 1: the koma. But it was a road of recovery. How

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Speaker 1: long did it take, Kathy, Well, he was.

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Speaker 6: In the hospital for you and how months on the

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Speaker 6: ventilator for forty five days after he came home from

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Speaker 6: the hospital, And there were three different hospitals, so there

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Speaker 6: was an ICU and intermediate care and a rehab hospital.

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Speaker 6: It took him a couple of years to really get

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Speaker 6: back to completely normal life because when he came home,

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Speaker 6: he's said a long way Togo to learn, you know,

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Speaker 6: and because his muscle said atrophied, he had a lot

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Speaker 6: of muscle atrophy. And then his body had just been

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Speaker 6: through so much. So we started doing a lot of

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Speaker 6: supplements and a lot of natural therapies and just a

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Speaker 6: lot of wonderful things.

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Speaker 1: To get him. It was a journey, but God was faithful. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is such an amazing story. Well, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what you want to hear, the whole story. I've been

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Speaker 1: to heaven. Here's the book. It's going to be amazing.

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Speaker 1: You should get it. But we are out of time,

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Speaker 1: don't you remember. Think about this. The Bible tells us

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Speaker 1: that Jesus is preparing a heavenly home where joy and

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Speaker 1: peace are everlasting, and he wants you to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it. And all you have to do is

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Speaker 1: accept the free gift of salvation. Those scars that you

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Speaker 1: saw in his hands were from the nails, yes, that

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Speaker 1: went through his hands on the cross, Yes, at Calvary.

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Speaker 1: But the beautiful thing about the story is that he

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Speaker 1: didn't stay dead. He rose and that's the power of

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Speaker 1: the gospel. But the precious blood of Jesus not only

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Speaker 1: saves us right, but it heals us. And that's what

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Speaker 1: he wants to do. If you're watching today and you

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Speaker 1: need prayer, call the number on your screen. We would

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Speaker 1: love to pray with you. The Lord loves you so much.

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Speaker 1: And if you haven't prayed the prayer salvation, just say, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: come into my heart, forgive me be Lord and Savior.

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Speaker 1: I believe you died on the cross. I know you

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Speaker 1: rose again, and I want to give you an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to change me. And that's exactly what He will do

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Speaker 1: if you pray that prayer, and so you just receive

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Speaker 1: him right now, I call that number. We'd love to

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Speaker 1: send you the Gospel of John if you prayed. That

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Speaker 1: person a great place to start in the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: But if you just need healing, if you just need

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Speaker 1: someone to talk to, that's what that numbers for. I

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Speaker 1: do want to thank Stephen Cathy for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Be sure you pick up a copy of their book

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Speaker 1: I've Been to Heaven and for More. You can visit

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Speaker 1: them online as stephenkathyb dot com. As always, make sure

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Speaker 1: to follow us on all social media, subscribe to our

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content, and let us

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Speaker 1: know how table Talk is touching your life. We love

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Speaker 1: hearing from you. Of course, you can also listen to

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Speaker 1: the Joni table Talk podcast, available now on all the

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Speaker 1: major platforms. But I mean, thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: This is really good, all right. This is why we

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Speaker 1: do what we do. And I tell you what. This

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Speaker 1: life is just a stepping stone to the life to come.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about eternity. So if you haven't prayed that prayer,

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Speaker 1: do that today. Invite Jesus into your heart. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. Good Bye for today.