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Speaker 1: Tesla are saying people were franchised, but I want to

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Speaker 1: go a step further. Tonight the entire Democratic Party stinks

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Speaker 1: from the head down the whole process. Everyone has really

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Speaker 1: staying on their hands. And with this new revelation tonight

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Speaker 1: I say this as a loyal Democrat. I know Tesla's

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Speaker 1: a loyal Democrat, but as she said, and I would say,

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Speaker 1: Said again, I'm trying to say, you know, against yes

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Speaker 1: and you know you understand, so so explain why you

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Speaker 1: didn't realize people would take the idea of Hillary bailing

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Speaker 1: the message that is being put out UH in your name. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I never used the word rigged. In

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Speaker 1: I didn't know how deeply in debt our party was okay.

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Speaker 1: Everything you need to know about social media without having

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Speaker 1: mocking me? Oh? Have you listen to Sean? Yeah? Of course,

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Speaker 1: We also testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 1: in July of this year against Fusion GPS, which of

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Speaker 1: course they're not going to testify before anybody, and they're

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Speaker 1: fighting a congressional subpoena. Door, sir, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being Willis, Thank you for having me on

433
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Speaker 1: your program. Sean, all right, let's talk about what you

434
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Speaker 1: know about Fusion GPS. Tell us how you got involved,

435
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Speaker 1: what you know and what people need to know. Sure well,

436
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: how I get into this was was accidentally. I was

437
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Speaker 1: made aware of a massive government contract fraud that was

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Speaker 1: taking place in the dictatorship of Venezuela. In other words, um,

439
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: someone gave me information about a theft, a theft of

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Speaker 1: three billion dollars that took place in the Chavez government

441
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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. So I took the information. I thought it

442
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Speaker 1: was outrageous. These a bunch of guys in their twenties

443
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Speaker 1: were awarded power plant contracts to build these power plants

444
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Speaker 1: in Venezuela, and they built faulty power plants and walked

445
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Speaker 1: off with the money. So I figured I would write

446
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: about this circumstance in the United States and alert the

447
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 1: authorities and as much as the stolen Venezuelan money UM

448
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: was being laundered through American banks. Well, to make a

449
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: long story short, the targets of my investigation, the people

450
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Speaker 1: that I was blowing the whistle on, ended up hiring

451
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Speaker 1: Fusion GPS. They hired Fusion GPS to go after those

452
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Speaker 1: of us who had been talking about this investigation, talking

453
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Speaker 1: about this company, pointing out their crimes and what Fusion

454
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Speaker 1: GPS did for them. Um, in the case of four

455
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Speaker 1: different people, they couldn't come up with anything tangible about

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Speaker 1: us that was negative. So they just simply made it

457
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Speaker 1: up and they created these dossiers pretty similar each, each

458
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Speaker 1: of these dossiers making the same allegations over and over again,

459
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Speaker 1: salacious allegations of outrageous conduct that range from extortion and

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Speaker 1: rape to drug abuse and pedophilia. And then they shot

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Speaker 1: these dossiers around to the media. So, whereas we are

462
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Speaker 1: trying to expose a crime, they figured, here's what we'll

463
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Speaker 1: do to eliminate the whistleblowers. Here's what we'll do to

464
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Speaker 1: go after them. Let's create dossiers and accuse them of

465
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Speaker 1: all sorts of horrible things. I read and I read

466
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Speaker 1: Katherine Herrige's piece and Pam Brown's piece and on Fox

467
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Speaker 1: news dot com. And you know what's what's amazing about

468
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Speaker 1: this is you know that you're saying that they have

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Speaker 1: a track record of intimidation and smear tactics, but it's

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Speaker 1: beyond that, because in your congressional testimony and your first

471
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Speaker 1: hand account here you're saying that they labeled you pedophile

472
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Speaker 1: and extortion as the drug trafficker because you criticize one

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Speaker 1: of their clients. Now, how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: know that they did all of this? Okay, Well, it

475
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Speaker 1: starts off with the fact that the their clients were

476
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Speaker 1: being investigated by the Wall Street Journal. As you know,

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal is a serious outfit. They were

478
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Speaker 1: they were doing an investigation, they were writing a story.

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Speaker 1: The story was four thousand words long. How do I

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Speaker 1: know the story was that long because the reporter and

481
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Speaker 1: I were in touch constantly. We were sharing information. I

482
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Speaker 1: was telling him about what was going on. Before you

483
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Speaker 1: know it, the reporter was asked to visit Venezuela and

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Speaker 1: meet with the men who he was writing about. When

485
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Speaker 1: he gets to Venezuela, into the conference room of these

486
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Speaker 1: guys who stole billions of dollars, there's one of the

487
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Speaker 1: partners of Fusion GPS sitting in the conference room. He

488
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Speaker 1: also happens to be formerly the bureau chief for Latin

489
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Speaker 1: America for the Wall Street Journal. In other words, the

490
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Speaker 1: reporter walks into the room and is his former boss

491
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Speaker 1: who is now a partner at Fusion GPS. Staying to him,

492
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Speaker 1: all of these allegations are lives. These are good men.

493
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Speaker 1: They're just excellent businessmen. You know, they earned these billions

494
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Speaker 1: and billions of dollars, and you're being played. Here's a

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Speaker 1: dossier about the men who are feeding you information. Don't

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Speaker 1: ask me how I know that they're the that they

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Speaker 1: are the ones feeding you information. But I do know

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Speaker 1: that that here's the dossier. That's the first time I

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Speaker 1: heard the word fusion GPS. When the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: says to me, I can't believe my former boss is

501
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Speaker 1: working for them. By the way, they gave me a

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Speaker 1: file on you. That's the first time I learned. And

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Speaker 1: of course after that I started learning more and more

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Speaker 1: about them. Did you get the file that they had

505
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Speaker 1: made on you? No, the reporter read it to me.

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Speaker 1: I know what it contains, but he did not give

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Speaker 1: me a copy. I think the Wall Street Journal has

508
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Speaker 1: internal because I think it's based on what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: that you'd have a lawsuit here if people you just

510
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Speaker 1: can't make up out a whole cloth that somebody's a

511
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Speaker 1: pedophile and extortionists and a drug trafficker. I mean, you're you're, you're,

512
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Speaker 1: you're in the right neighborhood. I can I can't really

513
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Speaker 1: tell you what my what what I'm doing next, but

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Speaker 1: let's just say that subsequent to this, the Wall Street

515
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Speaker 1: Journal did nothing with this. In fact, the reporter and

516
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Speaker 1: the journal said with this, this is full of this

517
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: stuff is hot air. We're not gonna pay any attention

518
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Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna keep doing our story. But then

519
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: they kept shopping it around and sean they found an

520
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: out of work journalist in Washington, d C. Someone who's

521
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Speaker 1: been dismissed from job after job, by the name of

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Speaker 1: Ken Silverstein. They paid Ken Silverstein, and Ken Silverstein published

523
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Speaker 1: it on a left wing website, one of these fringe websites.

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Speaker 1: He published an article with these allegations in it, and

525
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Speaker 1: then they paid. Fusion GPS paid one of these SEO companies,

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Speaker 1: the ones that focus on um where things rank on

527
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Speaker 1: a Google search, and they pushed the story way way

528
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,959
Speaker 1: up so that when you Google my name, it's the

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Speaker 1: first or second thing that pops up. That's what Fusion

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Speaker 1: GPS did. By the way, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 1: know you can do. There's a whole there's a whole

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Speaker 1: group of people you can pay to either Barry stories

533
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: on Google and Yahoo or put them up on top

534
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: and there's I guess the particular methods that they use.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying that is true? Um, so what

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00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: happened since this all happened to you? I mean, what

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00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: is your human rights group about? By the way, what

538
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: do you I mean? Do you work on issues involving

539
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: We focused on dictatorships. We focus on the struggle against dictatorships,

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00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: whether it's Cuba, North Korea, Russia, China, Venezuela and Gola.

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Speaker 1: Our goal is to do is to enter that vacuum

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00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 1: where the establishment organizations aren't really focused on a lot

543
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: of them spend most of their time focusing on democracies

544
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Speaker 1: like the US. Stay right there, focus well, well more

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Speaker 1: with Thor Halverson's with us and he is uh saying

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Speaker 1: he's a victim of fusion. GPS will get more of

547
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Speaker 1: his story on the other side of all of this

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Speaker 1: as we continue here on the Sean Hannity Show. Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: As we continue Thor Halverson's with us and hey, Thor,

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00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: how are you all right? So I want to get

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Speaker 1: back to this. Everybody in the media is going with

552
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: the same talking point. Well, a Republican, a GOP operative

553
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: paid to begin the dossier on Trump. And the fact

554
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: of the matter is that person got out long before Steele,

555
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: who made up all of these allegations by paying Russians

556
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump and the more salacious details. So what

557
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: they're saying isn't true. This was We now know that

558
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton and the Democrats paid for the smear. Her

559
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: campaign paid for the whole smear. So you're saying that

560
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: this whole group is that why they're unwilling to talk

561
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: to Congress and and I know that there's now they're

562
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: trying to get into their bank accounts to find exactly

563
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: where the money came from that led to the dossier

564
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: that was used by the media and used by Democrats

565
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: to try and impact this election, even though all of

566
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Speaker 1: the information and the propaganda and the misinformation came from Russia. Well,

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Speaker 1: ask yourself, Sean, why are they Why did they admit

568
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: to paying for the dossier. They admitted to paying for

569
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: the dossier because of the subpoena. They want to get

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Speaker 1: ahead of the subpoena and say Judge, don't go forward

571
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: and open the bank accounts of Fusion GPS because we

572
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Speaker 1: don't need to know that anymore, because now they feed

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Speaker 1: up and the d n C has claimed and the

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton campaign that they paid for the dossier. The

575
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Speaker 1: reason why is very simple. Sean those bank that bank

576
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: information contains the information about payoffs two dozens of journalists

577
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: inside and outside of the belt lay by Fusion GPS.

578
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: I am convinced that Fusion GPS is engaged in regular

579
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: payola with journalists in order to ensure that some stories

580
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: get coverage and some don't. In addition, what that banking

581
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: information containing is information about the criminal entities, most of

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Speaker 1: them from abroad, that higher Fusion GPS to kills stories,

583
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Speaker 1: to go after witnesses, to blow up concepts when the

584
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Speaker 1: criminal entity is suffering or potentially going to get in trouble.

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Speaker 1: This is what happened in the Venezuela case. Derwick Associates

586
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: paid Fusion to end with the credibility of the witnesses

587
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: and to obstruct justice. Fusian GPS doesn't make a lot

588
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: of money from its American clients. It makes the bulk

589
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: of its money from criminals abroad. This is like the

590
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Speaker 1: most unbelievable story I think I've ever heard. It really is, well,

591
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, but and listen. I'm just gonna say something.

592
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Speaker 1: And this is on a personal level. I mean, you

593
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: have no recourse. I'm a public figure. I'm on radio

594
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Speaker 1: three hours a day, TV one hour a day, and

595
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: when people lie about me, the standard is so high.

596
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 1: I actually I have to prove that what they're saying

597
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: was actual malice, and to get there it is such

598
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: a high legal bar it's nearly impossible. So if you're

599
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: a public figure, they can pretty much say anything, and

600
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: they do say anything they want. And I just finally

601
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: just compartmentalized in my mind that, Okay, this is my

602
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: chosen profession. I didn't think that this was going to

603
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: be a part of it. But people telling lies about

604
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: me on a regular basis is just part and parcel

605
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: of what I now have happening in my life. Well,

606
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: and you know this better than anyone. Even though their lies,

607
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: it's still hurt. It's still nasty when family members and whatnot,

608
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: um look at this stuff and saying what they're saying, UM.

609
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: And yet they get away with it. They get away

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00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: with it. You know, it was it was really you know,

611
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Fusion GPS did this and hired

612
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: this loser, Ken Silverstein to write about it. And the

613
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: fact is that, um, it felt really good to know

614
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: that there's a collection of us that are being the

615
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: targets of fusion GPS because finally, what these accusations can

616
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: be explained. Finally you know, whether it's William Browner, myself

617
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: or in this case, President Trump can say, look there's

618
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: a pattern here. It's the same company engaged in the

619
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: same behavior again and again. These are former journalists who

620
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: lost their way and decided we will do anything for money.

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Speaker 1: They don't care about the truth. They care about making money,

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00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: which is why they work for Chrisicals. I'm assuming you're

623
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: going to do a lawsuit. Well, look, a lawsuit is

624
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: gonna cost millions of dollars and suing this person's story

625
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and I've got a breaking or come back and tell

626
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: us more and as you get more information on it,

627
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: and we'll let people decide on their own. And I

628
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: can tell you smear campaigns against conservatives are just part

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Speaker 1: of our everyday business. It's unbelievable. It's like it's and

630
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: by the way, they're well funded. All those people custom

631
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: poor people. And I've been here working my host second

632
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: career for people who don't have a chance. And I

633
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: really resent anybody saying that I'm just doing this for

634
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: the rich. Give me a I think you guys overplay

635
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: that all the time and it gets old and frankly,

636
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: you have to quit it. Mr Sherman, the public an

637
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: just I'm not throw okay. I got kind of sick

638
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: and tired of it. Not true. It's a nice political play. Well,

639
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: Mr care about true, all due respect, I get sick

640
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: and tired of the richest, regular order getting richer. We

641
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: do a tax order middle class and over and over,

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Speaker 1: how many times do we do that? You listen, I've

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Speaker 1: honored you by allowing you to spout off here, and

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Speaker 1: what you said was not right. That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I come from the lower middle class. Originally we didn't

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Speaker 1: have anything, So don't spew that stuff on me. I

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Speaker 1: get a little tired of that crap. And let me

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Speaker 1: just say something. If you didn't, if we've worked together,

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Speaker 1: we could pull this country out of every every message

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Speaker 1: in and we can do a lot of the things

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Speaker 1: that you're talking about two and other. To have that

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Speaker 1: a reputation of how they've worked together, let's start with Chip.

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Speaker 1: Not starting with Chip, I did it I've done it

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Speaker 1: for years. I've got more bill start with CHIP. Today,

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Speaker 1: I got more bills passed and everybody on this committee

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Speaker 1: put together and they've been passed for the benefit of

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Speaker 1: people in this country. Now, all I can say is

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Speaker 1: I like you personally very much, but I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: this bull crap that you guys strow here. It really

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Speaker 1: gets old after a while. To do it right at

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Speaker 1: the end of this but just not right. And I

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Speaker 1: just it takes a lot to give me worked up

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Speaker 1: like this all the role. Remember when Democrats new cutting

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Speaker 1: taxes creates jobs. Every dollar released from factation that he

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Speaker 1: span or invested will help create a new job and

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Speaker 1: a new salary. And these new jobs and new salary

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Speaker 1: can create other jobs and other salves. Do the Democrats

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Speaker 1: in Congress today really like writing welfare checks more than

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Speaker 1: creating paychecks? A jfpat from tax cut will create jobs

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Speaker 1: for America. I've got to say, this is nothing short

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Speaker 1: of extraordinary. Let me just tell you, getting two and

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Speaker 1: eighteen members to agree on something as complicated as the

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Speaker 1: most to Yeah, but we needed to eighteen. Okay, let

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Speaker 1: me rephrase it. And getting two seven members to agree

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Speaker 1: on something is complicated. This country has not rewritten its

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Speaker 1: tax coach since nine six. The powers of the status

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Speaker 1: quo in this town are so strong. Yet two hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty seven men and women of this Congress broke

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Speaker 1: through that today. That is powerful. Of course. I want

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Speaker 1: to think not just the members who made this possible today.

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Speaker 1: I want to think the President. I want to thank

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Speaker 1: his administration, and I think our partners in the Senate

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Speaker 1: who are doing their work as well. You will admit now,

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Speaker 1: for the sake of this discussion that some Americans under

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Speaker 1: this Republican plan will be paying more in taxes. Correct.

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Speaker 1: There there will be people who make more than a

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Speaker 1: million dollars and high tax states that will be paying more.

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Speaker 1: And as the President has said, this is not a

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Speaker 1: tax plan to cut taxes for rich people. This is

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Speaker 1: a tax plan to make businesses competitive and give middle

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Speaker 1: income we're here that m word. I think it's code,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm used to hearing it from the

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Speaker 1: left for many years. I think you are as well.

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Speaker 1: I think you would admit that. But this is a

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Speaker 1: Republican majority in the House and in the Senate, in

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Speaker 1: the White House, and you're admitting that for some Americans

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Speaker 1: they will pay more in taxes. But again, is this

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Speaker 1: what the American people have waited a generation for? Again,

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Speaker 1: just to be just to be clear, what we're doing

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Speaker 1: is getting rid of the state and local tax deduction,

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Speaker 1: which is a loophole for high tax states. That's the

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Speaker 1: reason why New York, California, others have taxes as high

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Speaker 1: as they are, because the federal government is subsidizing those taxes.

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Speaker 1: And most for most Americans, the vast number of americ

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Speaker 1: Arkans that that don't have high tax states, it's not

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Speaker 1: fair that they're subsidizing a few states. So again, the

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Speaker 1: people's taxes who are going to go up are the

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Speaker 1: rich people in high tax states. But again, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of benefit to the New York economy of lowering

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Speaker 1: the corporate rate to that's a huge boom for the

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Speaker 1: financial services industry. They can hire more people, they can

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Speaker 1: pay more people, they can create more jobs. All right,

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Speaker 1: hour to Sean Hannity Show, toll free are numbers eight

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Speaker 1: dred nine one. Sean, you want to be a part

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Speaker 1: of the program. I have known are enhanced for all

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Speaker 1: these years. I don't think I've ever heard him that

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Speaker 1: animated ever, because it is an absolute lie Uh, that

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Speaker 1: this bill that they're gonna hopefully pass in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: the Republican bill, is has anything of any benefit to

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Speaker 1: anybody that is quote rich. That is one of my

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Speaker 1: biggest complaints about Republicans, that of Americans that pay most

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Speaker 1: of the taxes in this country, paid no federal income

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Speaker 1: taxes none, zero, So we have redistribution. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: believe in supply side conservative economics, Reaganomics, which I have

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Speaker 1: always believed in and continue to believe in, I would

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Speaker 1: argue that the Republicans have abandoned that. Uh. And while

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Speaker 1: they're what they're doing on the corporate side is phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: Middle class tax cuts is phenomenal, repatriation is phenomenal. When

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Speaker 1: they passed you know, drilling in an noir and energy independent,

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Speaker 1: that's phenomenal for economic growth, the engine of economic growth

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Speaker 1: that will get people off of food stamps, out of

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Speaker 1: poverty and back to work. What this election was really

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Speaker 1: all about. I know, you know, we spend an inordinate

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Speaker 1: amount of time against the never ending attacks against the president,

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Speaker 1: but this is what's going to make the difference. On

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Speaker 1: top of the growth that we've already gotten because of

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Speaker 1: the end of burdensome regulation that the president did on

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Speaker 1: his own. Anyway, Here to weigh in on all of this,

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Speaker 1: Larry Cudlow, CNBC hosts form A Reagaul Administration, economist, author

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Speaker 1: of the new book It's a must read if you

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Speaker 1: want to understand economics, Reaganomics, the the supplied size, Conservative

742
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Speaker 1: argue men of how to create growth in the economy,

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Speaker 1: the JFK, and Reagan Revolution. A Secret History of American Prosperity. Also,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Moore is with us distinguished Visiting Fellow or Project

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Speaker 1: for Economic Growth at the Heritage Foundation. Gentlemen, welcome back

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Speaker 1: both of you to the program. Um. Larry, when you

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Speaker 1: were on last time, we both agreed this is great

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Speaker 1: in terms of the corporate tax cut, the repatriation, the

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Speaker 1: push towards energy independence, the end of burdens and regulations.

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Speaker 1: But any notion that this is a tax cut for

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Speaker 1: the wealthy is just patently false. I agree. I would

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Speaker 1: only add these, you know, immediate expensing for new buildings

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Speaker 1: and technology. But I thought your intro was great. You

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Speaker 1: haven't storing light um the growth. We're gonna get good

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Speaker 1: growth from this, and we're gonna get it from the

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Speaker 1: business side. Steve Moore and I, among others, drafted this

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Speaker 1: back in the campaign. Ironically is still holding up. Um.

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Speaker 1: My biggest disappointment as the top rate wasn't floward. Trump

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Speaker 1: just said he wanted to go to thirty five. That's

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Speaker 1: where we were originates. But one quickie, Sean, your take

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Speaker 1: on Orange Hatch. Every single Republican, every single Republican should

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Speaker 1: listen to Orange Hatch fighting back against class warfare. Everybody

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Speaker 1: should hear that we've all known or in many many years.

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Speaker 1: He is a supply sider, and all I can say

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Speaker 1: is good for him. Don't let the left mau mow

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Speaker 1: him and push him back. And what you need for

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Speaker 1: this country, you make growth and that growth will benefit Sean, everybody,

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Speaker 1: everybody will benefit from growth. Well that's the whole point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the reason I support the bill has nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with me individually, because I'm gonna end up

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Speaker 1: paying a lot more in this bill. What frustrates me

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Speaker 1: is and my argument Steve Moore welcome back, is that

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Speaker 1: the Republicans have that they don't have the stomach for

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Speaker 1: what Urn was arguing yesterday. They don't have the stomach

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Speaker 1: to say this is a tax cun for the rich

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Speaker 1: and explain to people that if you cut taxes across

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Speaker 1: the board, Reagan doubled the revenues to the government. Reagan

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Speaker 1: helped create twenty one million new jobs we had till

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Speaker 1: that point, the longest period of peacetime economic growth. Everything

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Speaker 1: that that happened with JFK and Reagan that Larry writes

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Speaker 1: about works, And I think as it relates to cutting

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Speaker 1: top rates, Republicans don't have the stomach for the fight,

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Speaker 1: am my own. Well, look, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good bill the Republicans passed yesterday. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have some reservations, as you do, and as Larry does,

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Speaker 1: But my goodness, this was a pretty historic day for

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Speaker 1: Congress to pass the biggest tax cut since Reagan. It's

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Speaker 1: about time. Uh. Shame on the Democrats. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Sewan Shaman and not a single Democrat in the United

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Speaker 1: States House of Representatives voted to cut taxes on American

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Speaker 1: families and American businesses. I mean, I'm just disgusted by that,

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Speaker 1: you know, by the Democratic Party and how they have

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Speaker 1: moved to the left. I think there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of good things in here. I like that. I agree

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Speaker 1: with Larry that the howard and soul of the growth

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Speaker 1: comes from the reducing our business taxes. And it's very simple, John.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at those people you know

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Speaker 1: you were talking about in the top five percent of income,

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Speaker 1: those are people you know what they do for a

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Speaker 1: living Sewan, They own, operate and invest in small businesses.

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Speaker 1: Now is my old buss Deck Army used to say.

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Speaker 1: You know, liberals love jobs that they hate employers. You

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Speaker 1: can't have jobs and good paying jobs and Unles, you've

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Speaker 1: got healthy employers who are making money and reinvesting that

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Speaker 1: money in the business. And so I think this will

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Speaker 1: do a world of good for the for the economy,

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Speaker 1: and I just want one of the quick things. Un

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Speaker 1: I am so proud of the Republicans for putting in

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Speaker 1: this bill. I hope it remains the getting rid of

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Speaker 1: this individual mandate under under Obamacare, because by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's a tax, that's a tax increase on that uh

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Speaker 1: that initiative Obamacare is attacks on low income people. Never

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Speaker 1: crist don't want to get rid of that either. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you know, we we have a different version

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, and then eventually we'll try and reconcile

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Speaker 1: all of this and then hopefully it ends up on

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Speaker 1: the President's desk. Uh, Larry talk about talk about the

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Speaker 1: differences you see in the bills and what you would

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Speaker 1: like to see in the final product. Well, actually, Um,

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Speaker 1: the House bill is more front loaded, and I liked

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Speaker 1: that a lot. I think the Senate is making a

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Speaker 1: mistake holding back the corporate tax cut to nineteen. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a mistake. And the House built gets all

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Speaker 1: that stuff started in the early years, so that's something.

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Speaker 1: I think the pass through the small business such Chapter

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Speaker 1: esque companies UM should get a bigger tax break. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see that. Ron Johnson is making the case, UM,

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Speaker 1: but I think they should get a bigger tax rate.

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Speaker 1: Although it's been improved UM somewhat. I would have had

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Speaker 1: much larger marginal rate cuts for individuals. I guess that's

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Speaker 1: not gonna happen. It's too bad. You know, real Reagan

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Speaker 1: style tax reforms sean the slashing the personal rate, I

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Speaker 1: mean slashing and then you don't need the deduction, so

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Speaker 1: you can take it away what they're arguing about now,

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Speaker 1: because there wasn't no slashing of MARSHAA rates three points

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Speaker 1: at the bottom. UM. The deductions are more painful and

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have to work out the salt. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you see people like Darryl Lisa listen. I can sympathize

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Speaker 1: with Daryl. Lisa voted against the bill because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not his fault that the people of California looked

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Speaker 1: at a governor that put the state income tax at

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Speaker 1: thirteen and a half percent, and the same goes for

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Speaker 1: New York and for New Jersey and for Illinois, and

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Speaker 1: and you know, all these liberal states now have a

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Speaker 1: little reckoning, uh, and maybe they'll hold their their local

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Speaker 1: governors and legislators accountable for raising taxes as high as

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Speaker 1: they do and as often as they do. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're so right. I mean, if you look at if

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Speaker 1: you compare, uh, you know, Texas and Florida with New

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Speaker 1: York and California. I mean, in New York and California,

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Speaker 1: the highest income tax rate is now about thirteen and

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Speaker 1: a half percent. It's zero in Texas and Florida. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you've got states like New York and New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Uh one, right now, they spent almost twice as much

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Speaker 1: per person on state and local government spending as say

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Speaker 1: a state like Tennessee in New Hampshire. So why should

857
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Speaker 1: people in Tennessee and New Hampshire be subsidizing of the

858
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: flabby government in in Uh, in New York and California,

859
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: the pension costs all of this stuff. So I like

860
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: that feature of this bill. I think it's a long

861
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: time I mean, I wish Reagan had done this. He

862
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: tried to do it in eighty six. And Republicans are

863
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: finishing his agenda here of closing that loophole in the

864
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Speaker 1: tax code. Uh that I think it's just it's it's

865
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Speaker 1: not fair for people who lived in low tax states

866
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: to have to pay for high tax stage so well said,

867
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Speaker 1: I mean, and and in ways that being the ways

868
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Speaker 1: they're being punished. I stay right there. We'll continue, Uh,

869
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Speaker 1: Steve Moore, Larry Cudlow one, Shawn told free telephone number.

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Speaker 1: You want to be a part of this extravagance. Luke

871
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: Rosie Act, the investigative reporter from the Daily Caller, will

872
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: join us the next half hour as we have updates

873
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: on Debbie Wasson and Schultz that you need to know.

874
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Quick break right back will continue and as we continue,

875
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Larry Cutlow and Steve Moore are with us for talking

876
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: about the House. Uh, and you've got to give the

877
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: House credit. The House has passed three hundred bills that

878
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: have not been even picked up by the Senate. The

879
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: House passed their healthcare bill. I gotta give him credit

880
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: for that. I assume if the Senate doesn't get this done,

881
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: it will impact everybody politically, both House and Senate. But

882
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be fair. I think it's

883
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: up to the Senate to keep their promises. Larry Cudlow,

884
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: you know Sean and Steve. I think the Senators will

885
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Speaker 1: do it. I spoke at the Republican Senate breakfast ten

886
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: days ago. Their demeanor, Uh, their whole attitude is we

887
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: are going to get this done. We are going to

888
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: get this done. This is different than healthcare. Um. Steve

889
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: and I were talking earlier about this. There may not

890
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: even be a conference. If the Senate rights to bill,

891
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: they're not that far apart. The Senate rights a good bill,

892
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: he gets this through the floor, you don't need a conference.

893
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: Sett'll state days they can get it done before Christmas.

894
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: One little glitch sewn this whole Alabama business, and God

895
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen there. If more loses you

896
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: have a Democrat, right, that could hurt the vote. If

897
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: more wins, you'll have a Republican. But he said he's

898
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: opposed to the tax bill, So it's baffling to me.

899
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: Be better to get this whole thing done before twelfth

900
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Speaker 1: elections down there. What do you think, Steve More Politically? Yeah,

901
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna get it done too. I think

902
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: Larry is exactly right. And you know, as Larry just said,

903
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: he and I worked with Donald Trump during the campaign

904
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: to put the framework of this together. And look, I

905
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: think it's about eighty percent of what Donald Trump originally

906
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: asked for. I would have liked a hundred percent, but

907
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: we got we got most of what we wanted out

908
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Speaker 1: of this. And I just want to say one of

909
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Speaker 1: the things, because it's so important, Sean, I mean, getting

910
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: rid of the individual mandate on Obamacare. It will it

911
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: will cause the unraveling of Obamacure because people don't want it.

912
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: If they keep saying all these people are gonna lose

913
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 1: their health insurance, these are people. These are thirteen million

914
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: people who don't Obamacure, can't afford it. And if you

915
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: don't have to stick a metaphorical gun at their head

916
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: and force them to buy it. They don't want it.

917
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: So I think that's a great thing. I think we're

918
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna get this is gonna and give us the biggest

919
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: tax that. That's a big deal. All Right, I'm gonna

920
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: have to leave it there. Thank you both, Steve Moore,

921
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: Thank you, Larry Cudlow. We appreciate it. Eight nine one,

922
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 1: Shawn is a number you want to be a part

923
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: of the program. A lot more coming up. Luke Rosiak,

924
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: investigative reporter for The Daily Caller, is next. We've had

925
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: my favorite guest of all time. He's more fun and

926
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna make your holiday so fun that you don't

927
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: want to miss. John McLamore coming up. Peter Sweitz are

928
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: also at the top of the hour. Straight ahead. Congratulations

929
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: you five ladies. No longer have to pretend to be

930
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: attracted to Hardy Weinstein to hear of your own free will,

931
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: someone coerced you into being here, dick out. Harvey Weinstein

932
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: is a course, Harvey, Harvey Weinstein is a as. I

933
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: don't know whether he's in some kind of organized crime

934
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: now and in return, what will Harvey do for you? Nothing? Really? Well,

935
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: what's wrong with that equation? I'm not afraid of anyone

936
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: in show business. I turned down intercourse with Harvey Weinstein.

937
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm no less than three occasions. Alright that music and

938
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Speaker 1: only mean one thing. Twenty five Now to the top

939
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: of the one Shawn told free telephone number. We'll get

940
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Speaker 1: to Katie Hopkins. The gotta be one in just a

941
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: second here, all right. So here's what has come out today.

942
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 1: First broken by right bart dot com and because they

943
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Speaker 1: knew that this Washington Post piece was coming out, and

944
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Speaker 1: their headline is after endorsing the Democrat in Alabama, Bazos

945
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: Washington Post, you know, Basos owns the Washington Post, for

946
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Speaker 1: those of you don't know, plans to hit Roy Moore

947
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: with allegations of inappropriate relations with teenagers. Judge claims it's

948
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: a smear campaign. Now I'll go back and I'll give

949
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: you the specifics of of all of this. But anyway

950
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Speaker 1: goes on and the Washington Post headline as women says,

951
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was

952
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Speaker 1: fourteen and he was thirty two. Just a shy of

953
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: forty years ago. Forty years ago. Anyway, it goes on

954
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: to tell the story about how seventy nine. More, who

955
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: is now the Republican nominee in Alabama for the U. S.

956
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: Senate seat, was a thirty two year old assistant district attorney.

957
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: Struck up a conversation with a girl and her mother

958
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: offered to watch the girl while her mother went inside

959
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: for a child custody hearing. And he said, oh, you

960
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: don't want to go in there and hear all that.

961
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: I'll just stay out here with her, he said. Anyway,

962
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: So the mother says, well, I thought, how nice for

963
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: him to want to take care of my little girl.

964
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: Now alone. More chatted with the girl, they go on

965
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: to say, as for her phone number. Days later, he

966
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: picked her up around the corner from her house in Gadsden, Alabama,

967
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: drove for about thirty minutes to his home in the woods,

968
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: told her how pretty she was, and kissed her. On

969
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: a second visit, she says, he took her shirt and

970
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: her pants and removed his clothes. He touched her braun underpants,

971
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: and guided her hand to touch him all over his underwear.

972
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 1: Remember we're going back thirty eight, almost forty years ago,

973
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: and I wanted over with, I wanted out, She remembers, thinking,

974
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: please just get this over with, whatever this is, just

975
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: get it over now. Two apparent friends of this childhood.

976
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: Childhood friends said that she told them at the time

977
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: that she was seeing an older man, and one says

978
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: that she identified the man as as Judge Moore anyway,

979
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: goes on to say that her daughter told her about

980
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: the encounter more than a decade later, when More was

981
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: becoming a more prominent as a local judge. Now. They

982
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 1: then go on to talk about other people and they

983
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: talk about specific allegations that one was a seventeen years

984
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: old More spoke to her high school civics class, asked

985
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: her out on the first several dates that did not

986
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: go beyond the progress of kissing all right. Then another

987
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: girl says she was eighteen years old a cheerleader when

988
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: Moore began taking her on dates, including you know, bottles

989
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: of mattuse rose wine. The legal age was one year

990
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: old er nineteen in Alabama. Of the four woman women,

991
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: the youngest was the woman that's making this sexual allegation

992
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: and accusation. And then it goes on. Roy Moore says this,

993
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: these allegations are completely false and are desperate political attack

994
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: by the National Democratic Party in the Washington post on

995
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: this campaign more is now seventy This allegedly happened when

996
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Moore was thirty two years old, and then he goes

997
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: on to say that the campaign said in a subsequent

998
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: statement that this garbage is the very definition of fake news.

999
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: All right, Now, as we came into this segment, we

1000
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: were playing all of these people in Hollywood that knew

1001
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: of why Einstein's reputation. Now all of this is now,

1002
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: it's sort of like a cascading impact. We've talked about

1003
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: the casting couch. We've talked about you know, young girls

1004
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: want to get into modeling or music or the TV industry.

1005
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: And I said that, and I said, this is only

1006
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: the beginning. And how right I was since that. Let's see,

1007
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: you have Jeff Bezos of Amazon Studio head, the guy

1008
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: that worked for him, Roy Price. Victim was a TV producer,

1009
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey, all the allegations we've heard about him. Had

1010
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: the National Enquirer picked up all over the country yesterday

1011
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: that Charlie Sheen had in fact rape Corey Haim, who

1012
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: later committed suicide. Then you've got Ben Afflack. Ben Afflack

1013
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: in his particular case, to specific allegations against him and

1014
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: there were allegations against Dustin Hoffman that go back to

1015
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: Then you've got Jeremy Piven. Then you got the case

1016
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Speaker 1: of Roman Polanski. And because I just wondered, everyone knew

1017
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 1: about Weinstein that didn't care. Roman Polanski was accused of

1018
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 1: applying a thirteen year old girl with alcohol and quay

1019
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: ludes and raping her. Listen to this, Master Laski okayanness.

1020
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: And that was the reaction when the guy that has

1021
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: been living abroad and avoiding justice in America got his

1022
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: Academy award. That's Hollywood's reactions used of a thirteen year

1023
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: old girl. Anyway, here's some really, you know, fascinating questions.

1024
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: How do you know if it's true? How do we

1025
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: what what's true? What's not true? How do you ascertain

1026
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: the truth? What happens when it's thirty eight years later

1027
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: and it's a serious topic. And because if it's true

1028
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: and people act like this, it's disgusting, it's despicable, it's

1029
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: criminal if people, you know, some people do. People lie? Now,

1030
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: we do have ten commandments. One of the commandments is

1031
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: thou shouting now bear false witness. We know human beings

1032
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: break with regularity. The other nine Commandments? Did they break

1033
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: this one? I mean it's something to think about. Why

1034
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: is it so bad because you can ruin somebody's reputation

1035
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: with an allegation. Katie Hopkins is with us of the

1036
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 1: Daily Mail across the pond. I mean, you're always outspoken.

1037
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: How do you tell? How do we? How are we

1038
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: the American people that ascertain what is true and not true?

1039
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: It's starting to be an impossible question, isn't it That

1040
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have an answer? But what I would say is

1041
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: that women, and I am loosely a woman, women have

1042
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: never been so disappointing. Like the idea to me that

1043
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: someone comes out, what is it thirty eight years later,

1044
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: allegedly and it's suddenly remembering how terribly traumatized she was.

1045
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: If she was stood right next to me now I

1046
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: would be saying to her, that's not good enough. You've

1047
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: taken this many years to remember how upset you used

1048
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: to be. That is not good enough. You are disappointing

1049
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: as a woman. I can't believe in an ear world

1050
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: where you know, I watched the pussy marches after Trump's inauguration,

1051
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: marching through the street. How strong women were all their

1052
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: banners about how strong they are, how their bits and

1053
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: bobs are made of steel. We are so tough. If

1054
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: you're that tough, women, then why aren't you at some

1055
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: point standing up for yourself. We've got British politicians here,

1056
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: but listen, I love you. I'm going to tell you

1057
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: what people are going to say to your feminist in particular.

1058
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: Are you blaming the victim? Are you doubting the victim?

1059
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: That's what people are going to say. Yeah, and immediately

1060
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: when people say, oh my god, you're victim blaming your

1061
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: victim blaming, immediately you're supposed to lie down, quaking your boots,

1062
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: like when people throw the term racist about, you know,

1063
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Speaker 1: at me for no reason. You're supposed to lie down

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Speaker 1: and go no, of course I'm not victim blaming. Well,

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00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: guess what, Actually, yes I am. At this point, I

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: am pointing the finger straight at Let's just pick this

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00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: one woman that's been talking about with roy More allegedly.

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00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: You know, I am pointing my finger at her, and

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00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm staying to that woman. You just disgusted me. You

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: spent thirty eight years thinking about this before you said anything.

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00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: Now you decide to speak. You disgusted me because what

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00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: you're doing woman is You're making it so that every

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00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 1: other woman like me who likes working with men, who's

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00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: happy just cracking on next to men, who actually finds

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: men rather better to work for than women, because the

1076
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: sisterhood doesn't exist. You're making women poison to work for.

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: If I was you know, if I was employing someone, now,

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: would I employ a woman, especially if I was a man. No,

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: I would not. And women like this do women like

1080
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: me a massive disservice. I am sick, and I'm sick

1081
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 1: of all of the Hollywood lot coming out and you know,

1082
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: screaming about Weinstein after the event you took his oscar.

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00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: Let me just let me just take the other side

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00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: of those for a second. You know what, Listen, if

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00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: any woman is abused, there is a violation, it's I

1086
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: think it's violence more than it is you know, when

1087
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: people say, I don't want to get into definitions here,

1088
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: of course, but here there are predator people out there,

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00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: There are are evil people. And maybe for years there

1090
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: was a stigma associated with telling the truth. And maybe

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00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe people now feel emboldened because some

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00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: women have told the truth. But then also, you know,

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00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: are there false allegations and when as he said, she said,

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, how do you tell the difference? You know

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: what I mean? I mean because I I actually in

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00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: all these cases, I'm sure some of these women are

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00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: telling the truth. But how do we determine who are

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00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: and who aren't? And in an age where we cannot,

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: we have to, I think, maybe get to a point

1100
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: where we cannot determine initially who's telling the truth, who isn't,

1101
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: who's been deceived, who's being manipulated by the Democrats or otherwise,

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00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: What we, I think need to do, and what we

1103
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: perhaps can do is agree that due process has to

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00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: be followed so that people are innocent unless proven guilty.

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Speaker 1: And what we've just had in the UK in the

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00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, because we're seeing exactly the same

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: pattern happening over here as you have there, we've just

1108
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: had an end. He he was hauled in. He's a

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00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: Welsh MP, holed in. He was told about the nature

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: of allegations against him, which were unwarranted no sorry, unwanted

1111
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: attention or groping. He wasn't told what they specifically were,

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00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: and within twelve hours that man was dead. Because he

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: has a wife and two children, and he killed himself

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00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: because of the shame and the pressure and not knowing

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Speaker 1: what the charges were. And yet he was already seen

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00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: as guilty before he'd even had chance to defend himself.

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Speaker 1: And that's what concerns me is We're going to see

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00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: more people lose their lives, I think, because this sort

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00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: of thing is so all pervasive, and we can't tell

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Speaker 1: who's lying and who isn't, and the mob just decides

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Speaker 1: that people are guilty as soon as they hear an

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Speaker 1: allegation made. I think that's a terrifying thing. I gotta

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Speaker 1: take a break. We'll come back the Gobby one, Katie

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Speaker 1: Hopkins as well us and as we continue, Katie Hopkins

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Speaker 1: as well us, the Gabby one from the Daily Mail.

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Speaker 1: Is it more credible when there's a series of people

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00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: making allegations, like, for example, as I read the Washington

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Speaker 1: Post piece, you know, one girl was seventeen, one girl

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Speaker 1: was eighteen. Neither said that there was anything other than

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Speaker 1: him asking them out on dates and kissing them. That's

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01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: as far as it went in those cases. So I

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01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: think they included that to make it make the original

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Speaker 1: allegation from nearly forty years ago bigger and I think

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: there's no doubt that the Washington Post has an agenda,

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Speaker 1: and one has to ask why didn't this come out

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Speaker 1: during a primary campaign. Judge Moore has been one of

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01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: the most controversial figures in Alabama four years years. Of course,

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Speaker 1: of course he was on our news here in the UK,

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01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, with them portraying him in exactly the same

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Speaker 1: way last night. Very biased across our media. The portrayal

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Speaker 1: of Roy More very biased in terms of what he's

1142
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: going to bring, that he's an extreme version of Trump.

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01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: You know, that's the messaging that's being played out on

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Speaker 1: this side of the Atlantic. I don't think it makes

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01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: it any more credible when you get multiple stories coming

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01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: out about the same person. I think credibility for me

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: is women that report things within a week, two weeks,

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Speaker 1: a month, and when they found the time and effort

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01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: and energy and report to report something, that's credibility for me.

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: If you reported the instant whenever you not give any

1151
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: do not give any it's not gonna but you do

1152
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: not give any credence to the idea that this is

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01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: such a horrific act of evil violence and so traumatizes

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Speaker 1: people that they live in fear they live in in

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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: fear of you know, a how they don't want people

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: to know this horrible thing happened to them, so they

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01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: bottle it up, They keep it up inside, and then

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01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: fear that they're not going to be believed, fear that

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Speaker 1: they're going to be blamed, fear, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think there's legitimate reasons why, you know, and personal

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Speaker 1: reasons why women wait. I hear you sure, and you're kind,

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01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: and you're no. I want to get to truth, and

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01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: sometimes well, okay, but I think we spend too much

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Speaker 1: time talking about you know, these women feel this, or

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01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: these women feel you know, ashame, these women are this.

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Speaker 1: You know, speaking as someone who's played the system, Sean,

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01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: I am. You know, my moral bow, as you both know,

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01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: is very low. I have exchanged at times my youth,

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01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: when I was younger, my whatever I had back then,

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01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: I exchanged that for power. Sometimes women make exchanges winningly.

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01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: Now you might go back and try and make that

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Speaker 1: the man's fault. You know. I've worked in multiple offices

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01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: where very old, unattractive men are dating the most attractive

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01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: women in the marketing department, and that actually is a

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Speaker 1: willing exchange between those two individuals. I think the idea

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Speaker 1: that we somehow it's always men praying on women. Women

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Speaker 1: are very calculating, women are very determined about what they want,

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01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: and women are not weak. This idea that we're all

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Speaker 1: massive victims. I think that's what I find so offensive

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Speaker 1: about this. This is setting women back decades because it

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: makes us sound like we can't stand up for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: We've got politicians here, we managed to get our defense.

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01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: Our secretary of Defense, Michael Fallon, has left his job

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Speaker 1: in the cabinet because he touched someone's knee. If that's me,

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01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: I'd be getting my other knee and kneeing him right

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Speaker 1: where the sun don't shine and saying, do that again,

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01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: and I'll do that again. You know, women are. It's

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Speaker 1: just it's desperate to me that women are portraying themselves

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Speaker 1: as victims, as weak, as defenseless, as vulnerable, and I

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Speaker 1: just I'm sick of it. And I understand your your

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01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:14,600
Speaker 1: client point, which is that there are real victims out there,

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: But then you know what, Sean, what really annoys me

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Speaker 1: all these feminists. They never have one word to say

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Speaker 1: about the victims of Muslim grooming gangs, because it's not

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Speaker 1: politically correct to talk about that. So it seems that

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Speaker 1: some victims matter more than others, and that partly is

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Speaker 1: fueling my anger at these women who look for sympathy

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Speaker 1: now thirsty forty years later. All right, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: have so I honestly think that this is just the

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Speaker 1: beginning of what's going to be a cascading impact, and

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01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: we're going to have to try and sort this out

1202
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 1: and get to truth. That's that's my goal on all

1203
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Speaker 1: of this. Katie. We always love having you on. Thank

1204
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: you for being with us. Eight nine one, Sean told

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01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: free telephone number. You want to be a part of

1206
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Speaker 1: the program, News Round Up, Information Overload our coming up

1207
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: at the top of the hour. We'll get back into this.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan gillam Eraldo Rivera. We have the latest on what's

1209
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Speaker 1: happening with the dossier and uranium one. Sarah Carta, Victoria

1210
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 1: Tunsi straight ahead, the FBI paid Christopher Steele, the author

1211
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Speaker 1: of the dossier. That doesn't matter. You'll have to direct

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Speaker 1: to the I think maybe the Special Council. We know

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Speaker 1: the author was Christopher Steel. It has been reported that

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Speaker 1: he was on the payroll of the FBI. I just

1215
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: want to know if in fact that is the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm not able to provide an answer to you. The

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Speaker 1: FBI present the dossier to the FISA court, I'm not

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Speaker 1: able to answer that. Do you know if the FBI

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Speaker 1: did the established process protocol in evaluating claims made in

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Speaker 1: the dossier? I'm not able to answer that. On January six,

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Speaker 1: then FBI Director James Comy brief President elect Trump up

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Speaker 1: in New York about the dossier. Shortly thereafter that, the

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Speaker 1: fact that meeting took place and the subject of the

1224
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Speaker 1: meeting was the dossier was leaked to CNN. Do you

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Speaker 1: know who leaked that information? I do. Are you investigating

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01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: who leaked that information? That would be a matter within

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Speaker 1: investigatory powers of the Special Council said, you've got a

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Speaker 1: number of investigations going on, Mr Attorney General, regarding leaks.

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Speaker 1: Is that likely one of those that you're investigating. I'm

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01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: not able to reveal the existence of investigations or not.

1231
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: But my concern is we sent you a letter three

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Speaker 1: and a half months ago asking for a second special counsel,

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Speaker 1: and if you're now just considering, I what's it gonna

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Speaker 1: take to get a special counsel? We know that. We

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: know that former FBI Director James Comey misled the American

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01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: people in the summer seen when he called the Clinton

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Speaker 1: investigation a matter obviously an investigation. We know FBI Director

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Speaker 1: Comey was drafting in his honoration letter before the investigation

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Speaker 1: was complete. We know Lauretta Lynch, one day before the

1240
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Speaker 1: beg Gazi report came out, five days before Secretary Clinton

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Speaker 1: was scheduled to be interviewed by the FBI, met with

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Speaker 1: former President Bill Clinton on a tarmac in Phoenix. Um.

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Speaker 1: We know after that meeting, when she was corresponding with

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Speaker 1: public relations people to Justice Department, she was using the

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: name Elizabeth Carlyle. You know, as I've said before, it

1246
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: seems to me, if you're just talking golf and grandkids,

1247
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: you can probably use your real name. We know that

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01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: Mr Comey publicized the investigation, and we know he made

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Speaker 1: the final decision on whether prosecute or not. And then

1250
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: when he gets fired, he leaks a government document through

1251
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: a friend to the New York Times. And what was

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01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 1: his goal to create momentum for a special counsel. And

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01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: of course it can't just be any special counsel. It's

1254
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Speaker 1: got to be Bob Noler, his best friend, his predecessor,

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01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: his mentor, the same Bob Mueller who was involved. We've

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: now learned in this whole investigation with the informant regarding

1257
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 1: Prussian businesses wanting to do business in the Iranian business

1258
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: here in the United States regarding iranium one deal. So

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Speaker 1: I guess my main question is, what's it gonna take

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Speaker 1: if all that not to mention the dossier information, what's

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: it gonna take to actually get a special counsel? It

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01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: will take a factual basis that meets a standards of

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01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: the appointment of a specially Is that analysis going on

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01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: right now us in the manual of the Department of

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01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: Justice about what's required. We've only had to the first

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Speaker 1: one was the Waco Janet reno Um Senator Dan Forts

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Speaker 1: who took all that investigation as special council, and Mr Muller,

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Speaker 1: each of those a pretty uh special factual situation. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you can have your idea, but sometimes we

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Speaker 1: have to study what the facts are and to evaluate

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Speaker 1: whether it meets the standard. Se Well, we know one fact.

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Speaker 1: We know the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee paid

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Speaker 1: for through the law firm, paid for the dossier. We

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Speaker 1: know that happened, and it sure looks like the FBI

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Speaker 1: was paying the author of that document. And it sure

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Speaker 1: looks like a major political party was working with the

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Speaker 1: federal government to then turn in opposition research document equivalent

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Speaker 1: of some National Inquirer story into an intelligence document, take

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Speaker 1: that to the FISA court so that they could then

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Speaker 1: get a warrant to spy on Americans associated with President

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Speaker 1: Trump's campaign. That's what it looks like. And I'm asking you,

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Speaker 1: doesn't that warrant, in addition to all the things we

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Speaker 1: know about James come in sixteen, doesn't that warrant naming

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Speaker 1: a second special council? As twenty members of this committee

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: wrote you three and a half months ago asking you

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Speaker 1: to do well, Mr Colomy is no longer to director

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Speaker 1: the FBI. Goodness, we have an excellent man of integrity

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Speaker 1: and ability and Chris Ray, and I think he's going

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Speaker 1: to do an outstanding job, and I'm very happy he's

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Speaker 1: not here today. I would say, I'm are and I'm

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Speaker 1: asking first time, and the gentleman, I would say, it

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Speaker 1: looks like is not enough basis to upon a special counsel? Alright,

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Speaker 1: that's from yesterday's hearing. Congressman Jim Jordan was going to

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Speaker 1: join us in a minute to discuss that exchange with

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General joining us now, though in the meantime

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Speaker 1: is Congressman uh Andy Biggs is with us. Andy, how

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Speaker 1: are you welcome back to the program. What did you

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Speaker 1: think of that exchange? Well? I think that first of all,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me, But I I think that I

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Speaker 1: was a little bit um um disappointed because I think

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Speaker 1: what Jim Jordan was talking about when he said it

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01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: looks like this, it looks like that. What he was

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Speaker 1: doing is he was laying out the factual basis for

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: probable cause of a crime or multiple crimes that have

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Speaker 1: been committed. And if that is the case, which I

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Speaker 1: think it is, then the Attorney General at that point

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Speaker 1: when he says, well we're going to look at it

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Speaker 1: in the factual basis where you've had it for months

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: and months and months, you should be appointing a special counsel.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the position I took yesterday when I heard that.

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Speaker 1: That's why my questioning with the way it did and

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Speaker 1: and I didn't get that from the Attorney General Sessions.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a good man. But here he's

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Speaker 1: he's he can't defer to his second in command, who

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Speaker 1: is Rob Rosenstein. For Pete's sakes, this he can't do that.

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Speaker 1: He has got to make the tough decision. That tough

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Speaker 1: decision is, we need a special counsel to investigate this

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Speaker 1: whole series, this litany of corruption and what I what

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Speaker 1: I've said, is the scandal of our time. He needs

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Speaker 1: he needs to appoint someone. Oh listen, I think so too, um.

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Speaker 1: But I've also being told, and I'm kind of getting

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01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,839
Speaker 1: very strong feedback that in fact, there is an ongoing

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Speaker 1: investigation that he never refused himself from uranium one or

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Speaker 1: the whole issue is that it involves fusion gps um.

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Speaker 1: And he was asked specifically yesterday by John Conyers, you know,

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Speaker 1: about the issue of whether he's recused himself of the

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Speaker 1: investigations involving Hillary said he couldn't answer that. He said

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Speaker 1: he didn't recall talking about George Popadopoulos, by the way.

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Speaker 1: He said he can't answer of recusal impacts investigation and

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Speaker 1: diffusion gps or uranium one. Uh. The man that was

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Speaker 1: questioning him so uh in a tough way yesterday is

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan of Ohio Freedom Caucus. Of course, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: Let's all right, let's talk about what did you think

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Speaker 1: of those answers? Well, I mean, I think maybe even

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Speaker 1: the most telling part was when Matt Gate, asking a

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Speaker 1: few questions, uh too in particularly, said are you rechoose

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Speaker 1: from the uranium one issue? And he said no, And

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Speaker 1: then later in his and the questioning later in that

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Speaker 1: five minutes, he would asked the same question. He says,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So that's the point. We don't know

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Speaker 1: what Jeff Sessions is refused from what he isn't We

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Speaker 1: do know Bob Mueller is inherently compromised on the uranium

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Speaker 1: one issue. So I would prefer we didn't have to

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Speaker 1: name a special counsel. But I don't see how you

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01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: can avoid it. The logic says, if the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: doesn't know what he's refused from what he isn't and

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Speaker 1: if Bob Mueller is inherently compromised, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: get the answers to all those things. And he just

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Speaker 1: talked about unless we have a special counsel, and if

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Speaker 1: it's someone withinside the department right now, no one will

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Speaker 1: believe what those investigations produced. Because oh, the Jeff Sessions

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Speaker 1: appoint this guy or was it a career person? So

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Speaker 1: the only way to get this done, and I think

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Speaker 1: done in a way that Americans will accept the verdict

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Speaker 1: of accept the findings of the investigation is to have

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Speaker 1: a special counsel. Well, I agree with you on the

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Speaker 1: special council. I've been calling for for a long time.

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Speaker 1: What if it does turn out and I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: here's the difficulty when you interview Jeff Sessions. I mean, okay,

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Speaker 1: he he said, and then he clarified his remarks as

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Speaker 1: you know after the exchange that he had with you,

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Speaker 1: is that he was just talking about the standard for

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Speaker 1: a special counsel, which means that he hasn't decided if

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Speaker 1: a special council is going to be necessary. I'm also

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Speaker 1: hearing a lot of rumors that there's gonna be dramatic

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Speaker 1: changes at the FBI in the next week or so,

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Speaker 1: so that should be interesting. But more importantly, you know,

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Speaker 1: if he's sitting there knowing that there's an investigation into fusion, GPS,

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Speaker 1: Russian interference as it relates to Hillary or uranium one,

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Speaker 1: he can't tell you that. Yeah, but well maybe that's

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Speaker 1: the case. But that was not the impression we got

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Speaker 1: I Christian, we got his The facts have to be

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Speaker 1: there to warn a special counsel, and I would come

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Speaker 1: back to how about these facts? How about the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Democrat National Committee and the Clinton campaign or

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Speaker 1: paying for the for the dossier. And at the same time,

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Speaker 1: it sure looks like the FBI was paying Christopher Still,

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Speaker 1: the author of that dostier and it was taken lead

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Speaker 1: believe to defies the court, to a federal judge, and

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Speaker 1: it was the basis for fying on people associated with

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign. How about that? If if that's not

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Speaker 1: a fact, Tavern and everything points to that took place.

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Speaker 1: We don't know for certain, but it's sure like it was.

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. If that's not, that's actual enough information

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Speaker 1: to say we have to look at this and it

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Speaker 1: requires a special council. I do not know what does.

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Speaker 1: I do not know what does And that's what we're

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Speaker 1: trying to get out. Yesterday, so and he was trying

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Speaker 1: to get that. Mr sin and all of the super

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Speaker 1: called to this. Yeah, well, I I agree on so

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Speaker 1: many fronts, but so much has happened, so much has

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Speaker 1: you know, gone on and every time the Clintons skate

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Speaker 1: Congressman Jordan every time. I don't think you know at

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Speaker 1: this point in time. You know, here, we spent a

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Speaker 1: year investigating Trump Russia collusion. Now we know Hillary and

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Speaker 1: the d n C funded this phony dossier full of

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Speaker 1: Russian lies and propaganda and salacious, you know, misinformation to

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Speaker 1: influence our election. And then she said, well, there's a

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Speaker 1: difference between op research and uh and uh a collusion. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: that's the very thing they were accusing, you know, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump of, and yet we don't, we don't see the

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Speaker 1: investigation on the other side, and people like me and

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: obviously you are getting frustrated. You said it best selling

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01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: said this last time on your show. You just you

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: said it there too. Uh. They were doing the very

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: thing that they're accusing us, and frankly that shouldn't surprise us.

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01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: This is how the left operate to again, all the

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01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 1: more reason why we need someone from the outside that

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: everyone respects, who can come in here and objectively investment.

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Speaker 1: We're going to continue to investing in Congress. We're gonna,

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna, we're gonna do everything. We can't uncover everything,

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01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: but we need a special counsel. That's that's obvious. Let's

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: let's make it happen. Let's move on. Yeah, all right, look,

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Speaker 1: and let me go to you, Congressman bigs Um. You

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: know Congress has to get a response when they asked

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01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:36,800
Speaker 1: for a special counsel. Isn't that the standard operating procedure? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be normal, that's right, Okay, yes or no? Alright.

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Speaker 1: So three and a half months ago the first request

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Speaker 1: went in, okay, and now you get these answers yesterday,

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Speaker 1: which is, well, I can't talk about if there's an investigation.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's rises to the standard of a

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Speaker 1: special counsel. There's certain criteria that it's got to meet.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that answer, Well, I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's inadequate. I mean you couple that, Sean with the

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Speaker 1: fact that the day before the hearing, we got a

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Speaker 1: letter from the Attorney General saying that, well, we'll, we'll,

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Speaker 1: we'll consider it. That's pretty weak. And then when he

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01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: talks about who's going to be involved in considering it,

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Speaker 1: he's referring to Rob Rosenstein, and so we have the

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Speaker 1: same people who have the same conflicts as in the

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Speaker 1: in the Mueller incident. We have this going on over here.

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Speaker 1: It's it's, in my opinions, willfully inadequate. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's really this simple. We know Killery mishandled classified information.

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Speaker 1: We know that that that information was picked up by

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Speaker 1: five foreign entities and intelligence agencies. Then we know that

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Speaker 1: she destroyed classified, top secret special access information. Uh, these

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Speaker 1: were subpoena emails. And then she just destroys them, deletes them,

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Speaker 1: acid washes, bleach bits them, and and bashes up devices

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Speaker 1: with hammers. That to me is a classic case of obstruction.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I would not be in jail

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Speaker 1: over that. Would I be a jelo that, Yes, you would,

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Speaker 1: and so would I, and so at most every other American.

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01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: And but for some reason people just jump on and

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Speaker 1: protect the Clinton's and that's and that's what we have said. Look,

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Speaker 1: we just want a fair and objective investigation, and we

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: haven't had it. Clinton's haven't had it. Evidence keeps coming out.

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: We've induced all kinds of evidence indicating both obstruction on

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Speaker 1: the part of Hillary Clinton and the election collusion everybody's

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01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: talking about with Russia. It turns out it's with these guys.

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Speaker 1: The d N c and Hillary Clinton's campaign, and we

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Speaker 1: want that to be investigated. That that isn't too much

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,799
Speaker 1: to ask in a free society that honors and reveres

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01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: the rule of why. I don't think all right now

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01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 1: many ask about James Come in particular, I mean and

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Speaker 1: Robert Mueller, Kim Jordan's. Robert Muller was the FBI director

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine. He knew that Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 1: was trying to get a foothold into the uranian market

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Speaker 1: in America. We know that those his agents in America

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Speaker 1: were involved in bribery, pick backs, money laundering, extortion, and

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Speaker 1: another racketeering crimes. And they know in two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 1: And we have an informant that was on the inside

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Speaker 1: asked by the FBI to stay there. So we have

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Speaker 1: firsthand account, we have documents, emails, and tapes, and with

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Speaker 1: all of that information acquired, knowing this is happening, why

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Speaker 1: would anybody sign off on giving away of our uranium

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Speaker 1: when we don't have enough uranium in the country, we

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Speaker 1: have to import it anyway, exactly right, Sean. It's been

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Speaker 1: also reported that he didn't share that knowledge. You just

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Speaker 1: went through with any He didn't share it with Congress.

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Speaker 1: He didn't share it with the American people. But probably

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Speaker 1: most importantly, it's been reported that it was not shared

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Speaker 1: with the committee. This Committee on Foreign Investment in the

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Speaker 1: United States made up of folks from federal agencies, several

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Speaker 1: federal agencies. He didn't share that information with them. You

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Speaker 1: got an informat given you all this kind of information

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Speaker 1: at a time when there's this Uranium one deal that's

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Speaker 1: moving forward, and there's a committee who decides whether the

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Speaker 1: deal happens or not, and you don't share the information

1479
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: with them. Why didn't you share that information? And now

1480
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: we have a foreman who and then a foeman who

1481
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: gave him all this was put under a gag order. Again,

1482
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,839
Speaker 1: how can Robert Mueller that special counsel looking at that situation.

1483
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: He was part of the whole deal, part of the

1484
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: part of the investigation at the time. So again just

1485
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: underscoring why we need a separate special counsel to look

1486
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: at that issue in conjunction with everything else involving involving

1487
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: Mr Kelly All, I will take a break, we'll come

1488
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 1: back more with Congressman Andy Biggs and Jim Jordan As

1489
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 1: we continue. Congressman Jim Jordan as well those. Congressman Andy

1490
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 1: Biggs is with us, you know, as it relates to Mueller.

1491
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: Let me just dig a little bit deeper into all

1492
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: of this. If he's involved himself in the knowing all

1493
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 1: of this about you know, Putin and Russia and their

1494
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: desire to get ahold of uranium, and he didn't do

1495
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: anything about it, and might himself, if there ever is

1496
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: an investigation, have to answer questions himselves. Does that Does

1497
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: that warrant a recusal of him in any way, shape

1498
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 1: or form. Congressman Andy Biggs, Yes, it does, Sean. In fact,

1499
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: the federal statutes are very explicit that you cannot conduct

1500
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 1: an investigation if you're either the subject of the investigation,

1501
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: which Mr Mueller would be, or if you're a witness

1502
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: in the investigated issue, which he would be, or if

1503
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,639
Speaker 1: you're affiliated or related to anybody that would be there,

1504
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: which he would be because it was his agency that

1505
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: he was overseeing. So, yeah, he has he has a

1506
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: conflict in bright neon lights. And so yesterday when I asked,

1507
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: I asked Attorney General Sessions, you know, do you even

1508
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 1: have a formal system to evaluate conflicts of interest? He said, no,

1509
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: there is not one in the Department of Justice. And

1510
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: I said, well, how do we determine them? Who determines it?

1511
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: He says, the individual attorney. So so are you telling

1512
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: me that, Mr Mueller. It's it's all up to Mr

1513
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: Mueller to determine whether he has a conflict of interest.

1514
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: That's a problem, that's a real problem, and that isn't

1515
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 1: the way it's done in private practice, I can tell

1516
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: you that. So I was very disappointed by that. Alright, guys,

1517
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: I gotta let you both go. I appreciate it. Jim

1518
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: Jordan and uh Andy Beggs. One Shawn is a toll

1519
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: free telephone number. You want to be a part of

1520
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:03,440
Speaker 1: the program the top of the hour, it's always what

1521
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,600
Speaker 1: what Well? I just thought, before we get into the

1522
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: business of Mr Daniels. The legend here was I was

1523
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 1: going to introduce my buddy, my friend, my pal, the

1524
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: great patriot, the great football fan, the one of the

1525
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: greatest country. Only a half an hour. Actually Daniels is here,

1526
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: and you're annoying. You already interrupted the wasting time. But

1527
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,839
Speaker 1: I think if a real proper welcome to Mr Daniels

1528
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: would be if you sang him his greatest song. Devil

1529
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 1: went down, not complete unless you're singing right well, you

1530
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: mean a version that I've already saw, a version that

1531
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 1: you can sing with him? All right? Ready, alright. The

1532
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: Devil went down to Georgia and he was looking for

1533
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: a soul to steel. He was in a buying because

1534
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 1: he was way behind, so I was willing to make

1535
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,639
Speaker 1: a deal. When he came across this young man's song

1536
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 1: on the fiddle and playing it hot well, the devil

1537
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: he jumped up on a hickory spot and he said, boy,

1538
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: let me tell you what to tell you what? Yes,

1539
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too,

1540
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: and if you care to take a dare, I'll make

1541
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: a bet with you. How you played pretty good, fiddle, boy,

1542
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: But give the devil his due. I'll bet a fiddle

1543
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: a gold against your soul because i think I'm better

1544
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: than you, because i think i'm bitter to you. The

1545
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: boy said, my name is Johnny, and it may be

1546
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: a sin, but I'll take your bet and you're gonna

1547
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: regret because I'm the best has ever been. Play your

1548
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: fiddle hard sales broke Georgian. The Devil music cards, and

1549
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 1: if you get all right, I can't ruin all and

1550
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 1: the whole song I'm butchering into the alright. So Charlie

1551
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: Daniels is with us. You know you came out with

1552
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: this never look at the empty seats. And I have

1553
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: spent so much time with you, and We've done so

1554
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: many events together, and I've watched you performed so many times,

1555
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: and the thing is you, I don't even know how

1556
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: older you are, doing a hundred someone dates a year,

1557
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: I'll be a d eighty one in four days. You

1558
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: look amazing and the energy you bring to the people

1559
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 1: that come to your shows is phenomenal. I feel the

1560
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,720
Speaker 1: same way about my profession you feel about yours. We

1561
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 1: both love it, love it and you put your best

1562
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 1: into it every every day. I do every night, and

1563
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 1: it's just it's a it's a joy. It's a joy

1564
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: to do. You know. I've actually been to events and

1565
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 1: and maybe the crowd size wasn't what we thought it was.

1566
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: That's happened to anybody. I guess it's performing right, you know.

1567
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't have enough notice. Sometimes the word didn't

1568
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: get out, they didn't promote it right or whatever, and

1569
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: then used that used to bother me. I'm like, why

1570
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: don't you fill the seats? Why is it? And and

1571
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: then I learned it doesn't matter if there's ten people there,

1572
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,720
Speaker 1: you give your all for ten people, if you're all

1573
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 1: for whoever is there, and you're not concerned with the

1574
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: empty seats. You're concerned with the ones. They have people

1575
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: in them. If you please them, then that's why you

1576
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: build a following. They'll come back and bring somebody else

1577
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,560
Speaker 1: with them, and kind of snowballs and yeah, but you

1578
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: don't have hardly have empty sea. Occasionally we have some

1579
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: empty seas. Yeah, especially when we first started. This is

1580
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: about Really it's kind of an X since you wait,

1581
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: the positive type of thing. If you can't get what

1582
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 1: you won't take what you can get and make what

1583
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 1: you want out of it. You know, you have a

1584
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 1: lot of things that guide you in life. One is

1585
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,799
Speaker 1: your faith, your love of music, your love of football,

1586
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: and you have a love of politics. You're I watch you,

1587
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: you write your blog and you go out and you're

1588
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: tweeting up a storm and you're passionate about this country.

1589
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: You're passionate about everything you do. What are you most

1590
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 1: passionate about your music? I am almost My priorities are God, family,

1591
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: and and country music and country, yeah, God, family, country

1592
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: and work. It's me. I'm curious because I know what

1593
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 1: a great patriot you are, and I know how much

1594
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: you love our troops. How many times you go see

1595
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: the men and women when they were out fighting. We've

1596
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: been to women to Rack three times. But we've been

1597
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: to Afghanistan and we go of course, you go to

1598
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: rat you go to Kuwait because that's a jumping out

1599
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: of place, coach. We've been Costobo, um, Serajevo, We've been

1600
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: to one ton of oh, just all over it. But

1601
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: wherever you can get to him. You know, we can

1602
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: never do enough troops. Anybody put their life between us

1603
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: and our enemies. How do you reconcile the big, great

1604
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: patriot lover of our military because they give you the

1605
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: freedom to play me, the freedom to brant on the

1606
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 1: radio and on television, um, and they put their lives

1607
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: on the line for us. How do you reconcile that

1608
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: with your passion for football? I know you like college

1609
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: football probably better anyway. But what's going on in the NFL.

1610
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: You know, I've got've got I'm still kind of wondering

1611
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna renew my my season tickets. Next year,

1612
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: I found myself and this is right, this just happened

1613
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: that I'm not as it used to be. Football was on,

1614
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: I had TV on. I've kind of it's kind of

1615
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: lost a little bit of its glow to me. And

1616
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: you know what gets me about it is, I you

1617
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: want to protest something, you feel something wrong, please do

1618
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: It's free country. You can do that. But the guy

1619
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: holding it, or the gal holding that flag out there

1620
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,600
Speaker 1: in that color guarden may well be a veteran, or

1621
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: maybe not even a veteran, maybe still an active duty

1622
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: person who has put their laugh on the land of

1623
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: Aforghani stand rock or someplace we don't even know about,

1624
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 1: and you can't take thirty seconds to honor them the

1625
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: flag that they served under and the song that signifies

1626
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing in our country. You know That's that's

1627
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: my point. And listen, I'm I made my living, you know,

1628
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: giving my opinions and strong opinions. A lot of people

1629
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: don't like us, Charlie, trust me, and I respect people

1630
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 1: that have different views. I really do. I'm fine. I'm

1631
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: cool with that, even people that don't like me and

1632
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: I want to write horrible things and lies about me,

1633
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: which happens pretty much every day. But how many we

1634
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 1: can't unite on this issue. How many fought, how many bled,

1635
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: how many died, how many sacrifice for you to have

1636
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: the right to get paid millions to play the sport

1637
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 1: you love absolutely and and be loved by the crowds.

1638
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: You but you, you took the words out of my mouth.

1639
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: It took I'm not watching NFL football. I'm watching college football.

1640
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty good to it. It's you know, isn't it fun?

1641
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: And like to ascertain the only the miniscule differences in

1642
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: terms of talent level, And then you think there's only

1643
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: a few of those college kids that are ever getting

1644
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 1: the pros. And I'm like that, I think they're all good. Yeah.

1645
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: You know what's amazing is you get it. There's a

1646
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 1: whole mindset to college football that you don't have when

1647
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 1: you watch pro It's like these kids are doing it,

1648
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: they're they're they're giving it their best. They were to

1649
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: make it and to watch you. You know, Alabama should

1650
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: have to play after what they did about Tennessee the

1651
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: other day. Yeah, but it's it's great. It's college football

1652
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: is a great thing. I'm every Saturday. I got TV.

1653
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how Nick Saban does it every year.

1654
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: Every year it's a championship team on the field. I

1655
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: wish I did. So you're a volunteer fan. I'm a

1656
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 1: volunteer fan. Well listen, I admire that. What is it?

1657
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 1: How many years now? Is the total music for you?

1658
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: And well? You musical when you were born, when you

1659
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 1: were young. I cut the apron strings in nineteen June

1660
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty eight and I left home. I saw

1661
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: I've insisting or something to do in music. I was, well,

1662
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: n would have been coming to me twenty two years old.

1663
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: I was twenty one. That was it. You went out

1664
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 1: on your own, never looked back, went about my own,

1665
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,280
Speaker 1: never looked back. And I've done it on all different levels,

1666
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: of course, but it's all been music related except for

1667
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: five weeks I worked in a junkyard Denver, Colorado. Was

1668
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: that I couldn't get with. Well it was. It brought

1669
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: me very much down to earth. It made me realize

1670
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate my You know, I came from a labor

1671
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 1: type background, blue collar people, tobacco and uh timber, you

1672
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: know that sort of thing, and so I was not

1673
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: I was no stranger sweating. Maybe I've done it, you know,

1674
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 1: And I got hav the empathy for everybody. I ride

1675
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: down the street and see the truck drivers and loading

1676
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,840
Speaker 1: the trucks, I got the empathy for that person. It's

1677
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: hard those and I did all the construction work and

1678
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 1: restaurant work. But I'll tell you this, it was. Looking back,

1679
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,360
Speaker 1: I think it's it saved my life in a lot

1680
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 1: of ways because it gave me the empathy, the perspective,

1681
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: real life experience, and and you know, look, I mean

1682
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 1: if I get tired and I'm I'm grinding it out

1683
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: and on the road like you are sometimes and I'm

1684
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: flying from so I was in five cities and three

1685
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 1: days recently. You know this past weekend, I have no

1686
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 1: reason to complain. Charlie Ian and faith in God does

1687
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:01,640
Speaker 1: that too? Oh yeah, definitely. Um, when you perform, is

1688
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: that the time that you feel the best in your life.

1689
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: It's one of the few times I ever feel like

1690
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 1: in my life that I know exactly what I'm doing.

1691
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: I have devoted my life. I know, when you sit

1692
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: down in front of a microphone, you take on a

1693
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 1: hope or sona, I mean, you're sharone Hannity on the air,

1694
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: and it's very obvious that you're at home back there.

1695
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm at home when I walk on to stage, just

1696
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 1: the way you correlate the way you feel when you

1697
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 1: sit down behind that microphone, and that's the way I

1698
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: feel when I walk on stage. It's funny because my kids, Charlie,

1699
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: I have a studio near my house, and sometimes they'd

1700
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: come in when I'm doing the radio show from home.

1701
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 1: I'm in New York today and they'd come in and

1702
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 1: they're like, Daddy, you just your veins are popping out

1703
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 1: of your neck and you're screaming and you and I'm like, uh, well,

1704
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 1: let me do the radio show. They say, Hi, welcome

1705
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:49,360
Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity Show, and our numbers one eight

1706
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: nine one. I said, nobody's gonna listen to that. But

1707
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing to me, and I want to

1708
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: know if you can relate to this. The first time

1709
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I got behind a microphone did that. I just I

1710
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 1: started talking like this, you know, And I have no

1711
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,719
Speaker 1: idea why. I have no idea where that came. Because

1712
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: you're doing exactly what you want to do. That's what

1713
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you put. That's when you put your whole heart and

1714
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: soul into it. When you're doing exactly I would not

1715
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 1: change places, and I know you wouldn't either. I'm looking straight.

1716
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I want to be Garth Brooks Kenny test me in

1717
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: my next life. There's already one of them. But you're

1718
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: doing exactly what you want to do when you put

1719
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: your heart and soul into it. And I'm the same way.

1720
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: When I learned three chords and I could play a

1721
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: whole song, I was ruined. That's all I wanted to do.

1722
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: You know. One day I was with Billy Graham. It

1723
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: was his last crusade, and it was in New York.

1724
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't flushing, and look he's he's very was old

1725
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: at the time, isn't I think it's it's like headed

1726
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:48,640
Speaker 1: towards a hundred now and he's in a wheelchair. And

1727
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it was Raley tu and

1728
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:54,759
Speaker 1: I watched him. He look looks like a force drove

1729
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: him up the stairs and behind that podium. And I

1730
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: watched you too, and it's the same thing. I out

1731
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: with you. All of a sudden, you're just Charlie. You're

1732
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: taking pictures, you're doing selfies, and then it's game time

1733
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: and you're just like let's go and you start twirling,

1734
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: that it's time that bow and boom, time to time

1735
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 1: to do it? What? Um? What? What? What you're giving

1736
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: advice in this book? What do you tell people? The

1737
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: first thing I tell you, know, young people ask me

1738
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: what about the music career and about how long you

1739
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: longevity and the sort of thing. The first thing I

1740
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: tell him, make sure you love it enough to put

1741
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:29,600
Speaker 1: up with the sacrifices, to put up with the rejection,

1742
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: to put up with all the things, your failures, what

1743
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, and to put up with people just

1744
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,200
Speaker 1: being mean to you. That you can put up with

1745
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: all of that, because if you have any success, people

1746
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: are gonna be jealous of you. They're gonna try to

1747
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 1: bring you back down. If you can't do that, if

1748
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: you can't put up with those people, those situations, in

1749
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: those circumstances, stay home, not the business for you. At home,

1750
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: play the lounges on the weekend. You don't come out

1751
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: on don't come out on the road and break your

1752
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: heart because that's gonna happen to you. Um. I think

1753
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I've learned more from my failures than my success. You

1754
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 1: do learn from failures. It's like burn your fingers on

1755
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: the stove, you know. Yeah, seriously, it's like, I ain't

1756
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: gonna do that no more. I'm not doing that again, Zach,

1757
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: I heard singing the Devil the other day. Well, yeah, serious,

1758
01:31:10,280 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: a lot of people sing. In fact, Garth Brooks opened

1759
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: the Mercedes Dome in Atlanta and of all things he did,

1760
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: went down to Georgia first. He was very honor Yeah, definitely,

1761
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 1: but your But the thing is is because I know

1762
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 1: a lot of these countries that everybody loves you. You

1763
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: like the father of country music. Now, I mean, I

1764
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever if you set out to

1765
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: have that happen, Why are you able to survive the

1766
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: temptations on the road. I mean, I've been out with

1767
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 1: these bands, Charlie, a lot of girls with a lot

1768
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 1: of well not so many clothes on, throwing themselves at

1769
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 1: these guys, a lot of booze, some of doing drugs.

1770
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: You never got into any of that. Well, my career

1771
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: is the thing. To me. I'm you don't going to

1772
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 1: road your party. That's some common misconception. Anybody has another thing.

1773
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: You have to understand. If you're going to go on

1774
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: the road to party to pick up girls, and that

1775
01:31:57,439 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Stay home, because that's you're not gonna either.

1776
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: You can do that at home, you know, don't go

1777
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: on the road and ruin your career. Maybe they don't

1778
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: like the Carlton town jelly. I don't know. I've seen

1779
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 1: so many careers ruined because of that. Drugs and yeah,

1780
01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: but just all it all kind of works together. After

1781
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: a while. People get alcohol habit or drug habit, or

1782
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: they just fall apart. They take their focus off of

1783
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 1: what they love and all of a sudden they're doing

1784
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 1: stuff that But everybody thinks there that you want a

1785
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: party with them in the city that you're in. I

1786
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 1: don't even want to party with me anymore. So how

1787
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: many dates are you gonna do this year? We'll do

1788
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: a hundred to ten grandol Opry appearance. Isn't a couple

1789
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 1: of charity things? Well, but you know it sounds like

1790
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot and but actually I can handle that. There's

1791
01:32:42,439 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: no problem. A piece of cake cre basically it's not

1792
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: a piece of cake. But it's about we're getting up

1793
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: to about the limit right there. But yeah, accounting a

1794
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: grand you know when you remember the Grandel librty want

1795
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,360
Speaker 1: you to do ten shows a year, So I have

1796
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: so much respect for the for the thing I do

1797
01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, I got to mc that one that was

1798
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 1: when you come back doing in I had come out.

1799
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: They didn't ask me, Charlie. Every time I listen it

1800
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 1: was such a great honor. I would sing the Devil

1801
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,759
Speaker 1: with you, and I butchered the song. It don't matter.

1802
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: Did you notice how I was leading the band. We

1803
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: were playing with you, so you have to sing with us.

1804
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right. There was one day I

1805
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: missed an entire um what's first verse, the entire first

1806
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:27,760
Speaker 1: of the song, and I'm like, and you look at me,

1807
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: you look at your band members, and you're laughing, and

1808
01:33:31,200 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing I could do at that point. But Sean,

1809
01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,640
Speaker 1: do you realize with incredible charge our crowds go, that

1810
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: was the last song we do remember, and we build

1811
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: up to that, and all of a sudden, Sean Hannity

1812
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: comes out, I guess, and you were like, you look

1813
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: like Garth Brooks, jumping on the bike stand, jumping on

1814
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the drumstand, running all over the stage. You know that.

1815
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: But they got the crowd gout said how many people

1816
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 1: got to hear that? How many people? Only the people

1817
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: we played for you were laughing. You got to hear

1818
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: Sean Hannity, dude went now did Georgia says, By the way,

1819
01:34:01,320 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell everybody. It's on YouTube, it's all over the place,

1820
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: and I have looked at it myself, you know, over

1821
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 1: these many years. Um, it's been my honor. It really

1822
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 1: has to get to know you. And and every time

1823
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: I called you, Charlie, I need you for we can.

1824
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: We're raising money, but we need you here. We need

1825
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: you here, we need you always there. Um, you have

1826
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: been a mentor, a life mentor, an example for all

1827
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: of us. I love your music. I love who you

1828
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,599
Speaker 1: are more as a person than anything else. I love

1829
01:34:28,680 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: this book, by the way, Never Look at the Empty

1830
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: Seats just out today. It's on Hannity dot com, It's

1831
01:34:33,880 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com, It's and bookstores everywhere. And it's

1832
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: always a pleasure to see my friend. Always. Thank you,

1833
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: Never look at the empty seats, our friend, Charlie Daniels,

1834
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Hannity dot com, Amazon dot com, bookstores everywhere. We have

1835
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: an amazing Hannity Tonight on the Fox News Channel. Sarah Carter,

1836
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: John Solomon, Victoria Tunsing, Greg Jared and Jay Seculo all back.

1837
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: We have massive developments as relates to the dossier and

1838
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: the Uranian one issue new wos you won't get from

1839
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: anybody else, will break it all down for you, all

1840
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: these new developments and it's all coming up tonight at

1841
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 1: nine on the Fox News Channel Hannity and we hope

1842
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: you'll always set your DVR. But that's all the time

1843
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: we have for today. Thanks for being with us. Back

1844
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 1: here tomorrow, Sea tonight at nine