1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Happy Thanksgiving from myself and Bucky Brooks 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 2: as we kick off another Thanksgiving Day version of Move 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 2: to six Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm great, DJ. 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I love the time of year, Like we talked about 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: it on one of the last bots, about just family 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: coming together, being able to kind of reflect and count 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: all the blessings that you've had. Sometimes life is so 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: chaotic we don't appreciate all the things that have kind 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: of come our way. 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: So this is a great time for reflection. Yeah, I 12 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: think that's where we start. Man. We'll get into these 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving games and the Black Friday Game, which is a 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: fun slate of games, and preview those in just a minute. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: But I do think it is important, and not just 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: on Thanksgiving, but at all times. I think a grateful 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: hearts to happy heart, and I know the two of 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: us have so much to be thankful for. I don't 19 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: know what the number is now, Buck, I know we're 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: over a thousand, right, didn't we celebrate our one thousand 21 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: not long ago? So we been doing the show for 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: over a decade and we've been friends for over twenty years, 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 2: and yeah, it's a pinch. We have a pinch me 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: life that we get to do this, you know, five 25 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: days a week, and somehow they're paying us for this 26 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: whole thing. 27 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: It is kind of crazy when you think about it, right, 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: Like you kind of think about like how life takes 29 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: to twist and turns and kind of push you in 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: a position to do these things, Like what can be 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: better than talking to talking ball all day every day 32 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: and being able to do it with people that you're 33 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: close to, people that you have a ton of respect with, 34 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: not just you, but think about all the others who 35 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: are part of the Move to Sticks team behind the scenes. 36 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: You think about Rhett and Lance and so many other 37 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: guys that pop on. It's really been a great ride. 38 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: And when you look at the landscape speaks volumes to 39 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: our connection but also the help of so many of us, 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: so many of the people around us, to make sure 41 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: this thing is always going. 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about the thousands and thousands of shows 43 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: that have come and gone, daring our run here and 44 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: to be able to still be doing it with the 45 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: you know, with the same partner and Buck and then 46 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: we've had a whole host of producers. Gavin's the latest 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: has done a great job. They've all got onto bigger 48 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: and better. I mean, he's been a nice little launching. 49 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: Cut for a lot of when you when you when 50 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: you bring that up, it makes you think about Sully 51 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: and Jodi Kant. 52 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, jonahsy So I think about him. I think about 53 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: TD who's going on to do great things. Yeah, with 54 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: wasteports and entertainment. 55 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: I think about all the other people that have kind 56 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: of popped in and done different things, and the field 57 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: has gone on and done and stuff. 58 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: It's just so many was involved for a little bit, 59 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: a lot of different guys, man, but it's been it's 60 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: been fun and in terms of things that we're thankful for, 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm thankful you mentioned this the other day, 62 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: but I uh, I knocked out a couple guys this 63 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: morning on the draft and buck I kind of the 64 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: reason I like doing it this week. I know some 65 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: people say, like, you can be doing draft year round. 66 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: I like taking a little bit of a break and 67 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: then you jump into it and it's like I forgot 68 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: how much I love doing this. Man. Like, of all 69 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: the stuff that we enjoyed about the scouting process, from 70 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: our scouting career in the NFL to me, but none 71 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: of it involved getting in a car and driving. None 72 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: of it involved getting character background on players. What I 73 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: enjoyed was I enjoyed watching the tape and talking about 74 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: the players. And that's what we get to do, man. 75 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 2: And now we're starting to jump in on that side 76 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: of it, which is really fun. 77 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: This is the fun part of it, right Like so 78 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: scouting for a team and tell so much stuff, like 79 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: you talk about the travel, the background, all the other 80 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: things that to do to put together the complete profile. 81 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Right now we get to parachute in and do the 82 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: fun part of the job, which is looking at the 83 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: tape and beginning to project and imagine how these players 84 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: are going to play at the next level. And then 85 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: from a team building perspective, we went from working for 86 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: one team to being able to think about thirty two 87 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: different teams and how thirty two different teams can put 88 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: the pieces of the puzzle together and have winning formulas. 89 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: And some of their ways or their approaches are. 90 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: Vastly different, but it doesn't mean you can't get to 91 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: the same destination. 92 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: So I love that. 93 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: I think both of us are critical thinkers with growth 94 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: mindsets where we like hearing about the new things. 95 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: That are coming down the pipeline. 96 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: When it comes to discounting business, and I'll say this, DJ, like, 97 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: one thing is to do it. Another thing is to 98 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: have so many young people that come to you and 99 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: ask how to get in and to be able to share. 100 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 2: I think that's what it's about. 101 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: It's about giving back because I know when you and 102 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: I were both young scouts, we had older scouts. 103 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: That they gave us. 104 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: So I feel it's my duty to give back to 105 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: those uh, those new guys because I hope that they 106 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: pay it for it as well. 107 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: No doubt I. By the way, this is a longer 108 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: discussion for another day. But I don't know if you've 109 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 2: seen this over the last week, but Adam Grant, who's 110 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: written some incredible books that you know I've enjoyed reading 111 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: over the years, including Hidden Potential, which is one of 112 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: my favorites. Think again, it is a good one. But 113 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: he's fantastic, and he is on this kick right now 114 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: talking about the need to remove laptops from classroom and 115 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: all these experiments that show you learn more and get 116 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: better grades after taking notes by hand than typing. It's 117 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: not just because they're less distracted. Writing enables deeper processing 118 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: and more images. Depend is truly mightier than the keyboard. 119 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: And I was thinking about that, and I'm like, we 120 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: were just talking about this the other day. How when 121 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: we're watching, we're taking notes and notebooks and filling them up. 122 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: And man, maybe I know, like from a teaching standpoint 123 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: and coaching standpoint, now we're doing all the visual stuff 124 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: for these guys to see and learn. But man, I 125 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 2: still think if I was involved in on the scouting 126 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: side of things, I still like to have a notebook 127 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: in the player in our scouts hands well one ndred 128 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: percent of DJ I still believe in that. 129 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: In fact, you know, the journey to the media world 130 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: came from a love of writing that developed during the 131 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: scouting process. Like didn't really write a ton until you 132 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: start scouting and you realize that, whoa, we got to 133 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: do a lot of writing. You have to put it together. 134 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: You have to learn how to make the words come 135 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: to life, and then taking the adventure first as a 136 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: writer and then into this media world. 137 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: It's the basis of very And I would tell young scouts, man, 138 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: you really need. 139 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: To master that skill, because the better you write the 140 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: better you're going to present it all. 141 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: Is, but the writing is the foundation. 142 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: So if you can master that part of it, not 143 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: only with your note taking but in your report writing, 144 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: it's only going to make you better when it comes 145 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: time to stand in front of the room, to be 146 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: able to argue your points, to be able to talk. 147 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: About players and how they're going to project in those things. 148 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: I just think it's such an effective tool to teach 149 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: you to be an A plus communicator. 150 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. And again, like when you actually do 151 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: the report for the team, if you need to do that, 152 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: and we talked about the Jags and you want to 153 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: do emojis and bullet points those things, that's all good. 154 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: But to me, when you're watching players, I still think 155 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: there's value in writing it down. I think you're going 156 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 2: to remember the player better. You're going to have a 157 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: more complete picture of them instead of just things getting 158 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: taken a little out of context if you're just trying 159 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: to type into a keyboard. Little man. 160 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm big on that DJ. I am big on journaling. 161 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: I think people should, like scouts should. 162 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: Journal those things. 163 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: And our buddy John Gordon has a great reflective process 164 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: where he talks about what went well, what needs to improve? 165 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: What did you learn? I think that it's so applicable 166 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: when it comes down to the scouting process. 167 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: We still are having conversations about Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, 168 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: Jared Goff and the things that we've learned from those evaluations, 169 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: but not only those initial evaluations, but. 170 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: How guys grow and improve. 171 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: I just saw Josh Allen get his jersey retired at Wyoming, 172 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: and I think about going to Boise to see him 173 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: in the Potato Bowl and what the thought was because 174 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: he was such a polarizing or follow the prospect, but 175 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: to see him grow in those things, and how when 176 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: you have those experiences, he changes how you look at 177 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: future players. I just think the greatest scouts are the 178 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: ones that are ever evolving, and writing and journaling is 179 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: all a big part of continue to grow along this ride. 180 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's fun. It's a fun topic, you know, 181 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: as we're kind of looking and learning and trying to 182 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: improve and get better. Sometimes old as new, you know, 183 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: like doing things the old school, whether it's still value 184 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: in that. I saw a thing I think it was 185 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: landing with Organ talking about how each week he has 186 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: his players, this self assessment. Do you do the same thing. Yeah, hey, 187 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: what do you learn it from? You? I learned genius. 188 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 2: I'd never heard that before. It's smart. 189 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't And it's funny. It coincided with a loss. 190 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: We just lost to a league opponent. I didn't feel 191 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: like I did a really good job of preparing us, 192 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: and that video comes across Twitter and it made me reflect. 193 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: And what I did is that we have this Communication 194 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: Advice an app where we send it all to the 195 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: team and DJ. 196 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: The response is that you get back from each player. 197 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: It's illuminating because then you're like, oh, I thought it 198 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: was this, but actually they're telling me, coach, we need 199 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: more of this. 200 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: And the feedback is everything. 201 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: And you know, like in our business when you were scouting, 202 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: you constantly got feedback either from the director, the general manager, whatever. 203 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: That feedback is essential to you grow. 204 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, when you talk Dan Lanning being able to 205 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: do that, I appreciate coaches that are willing to grow 206 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: and have a different approach to maybe their predecessors. Lanning 207 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: is one of those guys just at the front end 208 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: of challenging himself to be better each and every day. 209 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: As a result, his teams are always better. 210 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: No doubt. That's good stuff, man, fun little topic there 211 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: before we get into these games. And as we do that, 212 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: I want to remind you the NFL continues to honor 213 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: and commemorate the late John Madden with the fourth annual 214 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration Thursday, November twenty seventh. That's here. 215 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: New this year, the NFL will benefit the newly created 216 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: John Madden Foundation by auctioning off game used items from 217 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: the three Thanksgiving Day games via NFL Auction, with proceeds 218 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: supporting the new foundation. So very cool how they're doing 219 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: that as we look at this slate of games, but 220 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: let's let's jump into it here. We got four games 221 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: to get into. Packers Lions. Huge game here, Packers seven 222 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: three and one, Alliance seven and four. What are you 223 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: looking forward to that? 224 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to seeing how do the Lions 225 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: compartmentalize their emotions and really focus on execution the emotions 226 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: from getting beat down, beating pillar to posts as you 227 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: guys talked about in their first matchup, how do they 228 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: handle it and what I call a big stage game 229 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: Thursday Thanksgiving. Everyone is watching Dan Campbell taking over the 230 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: play calling. Can you resist the urge to put on 231 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: a show, to put this team in the best position 232 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: to operate offensively, and then can this defense continue to 233 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: get better against the Packers team I still believe has 234 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: not played their best football yet, so you wait for 235 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: them explode. So I want to see how the Lions 236 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: handle all of those emotions against the division rival that 237 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: they need to get one back again. 238 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm looking for one word speed. 239 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I want to see how the speed of this Green 240 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 2: Bay Packers defense matches up with the Jamier Gibbs and 241 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: the Jamison Williams on the other side of the ball 242 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: with the Detroit Lions. If you really look at it, 243 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: how they built this team with the trade of Michael 244 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: Parsons and how they've drafted the last couple years. People 245 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 2: talk about the physicality of Detroit, how physical they are, 246 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: but really the damage that those are the body blows, 247 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 2: it's the knockout punches with the explosiveness. Really, Jamior Gibbs 248 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: being number one on that list, and this Packers defense 249 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 2: has been built to combat that speed with probably the 250 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: fastest front seven in the NFL. 251 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: Super fast Michael Parsons gives them a tremendous amount of 252 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: disruption at the point of attack. I saw the note 253 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: that came up twenty eight quarterback pressures, which is ridiculous. 254 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: And it's coming on a. 255 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: Week where Michael Parsons talked about ten sacks being the 256 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: floor that he thinks a great player ten sacks should 257 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: be the minimum in terms of what he should be. 258 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: Able to do. 259 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I think that is great that a dominant player has 260 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: standards like that, because that's what you want to see 261 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: because if he is pushing himself to always make sure 262 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: a man I at least got to get ten and 263 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: am I shooting for ten? It means I'm gonna get 264 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: twelve to fourteen, which allows the other guys to have 265 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: impactful players. 266 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: Devonte, Why you think. 267 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: About what Richhard Geary has been able to do and 268 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: this is a fast at front, but hey man, your 269 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: eyes have to go to number one when you're doing 270 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: the scouting report. You got to take care of number one. 271 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: If not, he will single handedly beat you on defense. Yeah, 272 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: this is going to be his first big stage. How 273 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: about he goes from one Thanksgiving team, the Cowboys, to 274 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: another Thanksgiving team here in this game, going up against 275 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions with the Green Bay Packers, so it 276 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: doesn't get the holiday off here for Micah Parsons. But 277 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: really looking forward to that ball game, and I think 278 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: that's the key to the game. If they can limit 279 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: the explosives from Detroit, make them play station to station 280 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: as we talk about with baseball, I think the Packers 281 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: have a good chance of going in there and getting one. 282 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: But really looking forward to that game that is at 283 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: one o'clock Eastern on Fox. We get to the four 284 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: thirty game on CBS that is Chiefs Cowboys, a massive game. 285 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: I've been using the line it's kind of a loser 286 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: leave town match. Can't afford for either one of these 287 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: teams will lose this ballgame. 288 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: No, you can't affoord it. 289 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: And you just think about the stakes being magnified on 290 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: Turkey Day, just everything that comes with it, like what 291 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: we want to see, how you want to see this 292 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: thing go down? 293 00:12:58,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: I love it, man, I love these games. 294 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: DJ I'm not gonna lie like I love getting to 295 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving because from this point on, every game that is 296 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: played matters. I love seeing these matchups. 297 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, looking forward to that. We'll see no trace Smith, 298 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: which is not great when you're down a guard and 299 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: you're going up against that D line all of a sudden. 300 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 2: Now with the Dallas Cowboys, they can throw at you. 301 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: That's going to be a key to the ball game 302 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: is how do they protect Patrick Mahomes offense started to 303 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: find itself a little bit. Ran a bazillion plays last 304 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: week in some of the ages some of those players 305 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: will see. How how you know on the road short week, 306 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: a lot of plays last week I think over ninety plays. 307 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: How fresh leged did the Kansas City Chiefs look offensively? Yeah, 308 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 2: So here's the thing about the Chiefs. 309 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I think they talked about Isaiah Pacheco maybe coming back 310 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: to one thing that I worry about the Chiefs is 311 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: the lack of balance that they have in their office. 312 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: We've talked about and we'll continue to talk about to 313 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: be a theme in the offseason. How they need an 314 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: A plus back to alleviate some of the pressure on 315 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes in the passing game. But down this stretch 316 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: when teams are going to play coverage heavy, how are 317 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: they going to manufacture the exposive plays In the past, 318 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: most recently has been Pat Mahomes extending plays and waiting 319 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: for someone to shake free from coverage and then they 320 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: get an explosive. But if the Cowboys are disciplined and 321 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: they're not able to get those improvisational plays, how are 322 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: the Chiefs going to manufacture those explosives to score points? 323 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: Because you know what we talk about it, Brian Billick 324 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: used to talk about the explosive plays and how it 325 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: correlates to scoring points. 326 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: If the Chiefs can't deliver those explosives, it is hard 327 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: for them the light of a scoreboard. Yeah, and I 328 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: also would say Mahomes being able to run around, that's 329 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: going to be a nice addition or to what they're 330 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: trying to do offensively. It's going to need to be 331 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: additioned as it was earlier in the season. So keep 332 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: an eye on that in that ball game, all right, 333 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, he's back buck Bengals at the Ravens. That's 334 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: the night game on NBC eight twenty on Thanksgiving Night. 335 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: So just as you're getting that nice little for me, 336 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: it's a Hawaiian role. Maybe a little turkey, maybe a 337 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: little cam going back, a little gravy there, a little 338 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: something to top off the night. Yeah, some of the 339 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: top off the night. 340 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie DJ because probably about the second half, 341 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of the Cowboys game, maybe a little 342 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: look't have time for me, so I can get up 343 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: and get my energy back for this game. This is 344 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna be great because I understand with Joe Burrow. He 345 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: knows this is the last hurrah. They have got to 346 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: do something remarkable to get their sales into the postseason. 347 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: So if he. 348 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: Plays and like we expect him to play, man they're 349 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: going to push and test the Baltimore Ravens. I will 350 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: say this, because the Ravens have reeled off a five 351 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: game win streak, people are beginning to see them as 352 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: the team being back. This is gonna be a big 353 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: challenge for them because defensively, they're now going to be tested. 354 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: We'll find out so much more. 355 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: About the defense and the improvements that they made with 356 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: how they perform. 357 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: Against the Cincinnati Bengals offense. That's explosive. Yeah, what do 358 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: you think about Burrow coming back? I agree with what 359 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: he said. He's like, I'm a football player. If I'm 360 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: healthy enough to play, I'm gonna play. Even if the 361 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: season might have got away from him a little bit. 362 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: He's not gonna punt on the season and take the 363 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: rest of the year off. So I like the fact 364 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: that he's playing this ball game. He's a professional. That's 365 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: what professionals should do. 366 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: But more importantly, franchise quarterbacks, you got to take the 367 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: ball every week that your health. I mean, that's just 368 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: the expectation DJ when we talk about the quarterback, and 369 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: we talk about a lot of different physical characteristics and 370 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: traits and those things, but there's a toughness that we 371 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: expect from our quarterback. You saw it for years with 372 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: the charges with Philip Rivers. It doesn't matter what is 373 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: going on when they call out the starting lineup, seventeen 374 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: is there. I think the same thing post true for 375 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in anybody else that we deem to be 376 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. If they're kicking it off, I expect 377 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: to see QB one playing. 378 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen the best of Lamar Jackson 379 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: at either, and I think there's a chance against this 380 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: Bengals defense that that's what we get to me. I 381 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: think Baltimore had to steady everything. They had to kind 382 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 2: of get back on solid ground, which they've done. They're 383 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: now back in first place. They haven't really hit their 384 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: stride yet and it feels like to me, matchup wise, 385 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: they're gonna pump thirty on the Bengals. Man, that's the 386 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 2: low number in this game for the Ravens, short weekend 387 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: against that defense. They're getting thirty in this game. 388 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: I mean, they need to continue around in the form 389 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: because when you look at their schedule, Man, they can 390 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: really make a run. And we talked about all the 391 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: things at the beginning. They could finish with the kind 392 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: of record that we expect them to have. Anyway, Yeah, 393 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: they need to put it up. They need to hang 394 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: in number. But if they hang a number, can they 395 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: permit the Bengals from also hanging a number. That's what 396 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: I want to see. That's the thing that we haven't 397 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: seen from the Ravens. We haven't seen them challenge by 398 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: an offense that have high power capability, elite explosiveness. We 399 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: haven't seen them that. So I want to measure their 400 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: growth in a game against a team like this. All Right, 401 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: the best game of all these is the Black Friday game. 402 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: It's Bears Eagles, both teams eight and three. 403 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: To me, if the Bears can block the Eagles like 404 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: the Cowboys block the Eagles, Bears, can they can win 405 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: this game. Man. I know that people talk about their schedule, 406 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: but if their offensive line holds up, I think they've 407 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: got a good shot in this game on the road 408 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 2: at Philly. 409 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, two weeks in a hour. I felt like the 410 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh game last week was huge for the Bears. I 411 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: feel like that was a respect game where people had 412 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: to kind of start raising their eyebrow like, hey, maybe 413 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: they are they pulled this one off. Now we begin 414 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: to have the discussion about them being a contender, a 415 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: legitimate contendent despite the flaws that the Eagles have or 416 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: the infighting in those things. 417 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: At the Bears pull this off, you have to respect him. 418 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: And Ben Johnson has done a terrific job of helping 419 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams play better. 420 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: They have balance on the offense. 421 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: That they needed the Dennis Allen in this turnover websess defense. 422 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: That's where you have to really give them a lot 423 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: of credit. They take the ball away at an alarming rate, 424 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: and they're going to challenge the Eagles, who traditionally take 425 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: really good care of. 426 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 2: The ball with Jaana Hurts. Yeah, we'll see how that 427 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: one goes down. Looking forward to that matchup, to me, 428 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: the best one. We'll have a chance to recap all 429 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: these next week as we come back on the show. 430 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: I do want to again rush everybody happy. Thanksgivin. Thank 431 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 2: you so much for letting us be a part of 432 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: your day, whether you're in a workout, on a commute, 433 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: or just hanging out. So we appreciate you hanging with us. 434 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 2: And also do want to remind you we have a 435 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: big time guest coming up. We've got one more episode 436 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 2: and we're going to we're going to be previewing it 437 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: unbelievable Weekendo College plall with the best our buddy Joel Flatt, 438 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: So be on the lookout for that episode on Friday. 439 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: All right, guys, that's going to do it for us. 440 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time right here on MO the 441 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: Sticks h