1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Forties and Free Agents. I'm Greg Rosenthal, joined 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: as always by my friend Move the Sticks, Daniel Deeremiah. 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: Can I call you a friend? J Yes, you can 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: call me a friend, and I can tell you that 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: I thought you did a wonderful job after having to 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: retape this open six times. Gregg's a little rusty. 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: That is not true. I've retaped it one time and 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: I knew you would. You would bring it up, and 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: it's fine. It's a it's a podcast. You could re 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: record things if you want. Speaking of which, everyone that 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: signed up for the Forties and Free Agents Feed this week, 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: we noticed you, We saw you. 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: We appreciate you. 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: If you are listening to this show and you are 15 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: not yet signed up for Forties and Free Agents on iTunes, Spotify, 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts, do us a favor and 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: please do that and you'll hear all of our big takes. 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Well. Can I can I also add on to that, 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: throw a little throw a little review in a little round, 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah too. Look, give us a little little of that action. 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: It would help as we're launching this thing into the sun. 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: Let's go through the five rookies. DJ in your division, 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: the AFC West. You cover the Chargers as their radio voice, 24 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: so you know this division very well. You're going to 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: give us five rookies that are going to make a 26 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: big impact this season. I'm going to give you five 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: veterans that were added in the offseason. 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 2: But you can get us going. Yeah. Sure, And if 29 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: you missed it, go back listen to the NFC West episode. 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: On that one, we had a lot more mid round picks. 31 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: You know, I just felt the way it shook out 32 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: that there was more guys in that range of the 33 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: draft that would have an immediate impact. And this is 34 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: what we're doing on this study is again I'm looking 35 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: for these guys step on the field impact right away. 36 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: In this division. It's a lot of chalk. And I'll 37 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: start first of all with the team that I cover 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 2: in the Chargers of Marion Hampton, their first round pick. 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: This is someone the size, speed, you know, can catch 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: out of the backfield. All those things are there. There's 41 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: the two things that I would say that have stood 42 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: out in terms of talking to coaches, being out there 43 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: at practice, seeing him in the preseason the other night. 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: This is someone who in pass protection, coaches rave about him. 45 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: So what's the biggest hurdle for young backs just get 46 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: on the field. Stay on the field. It's pass protection. 47 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 2: He's he's really really good in that department. So that's 48 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: gonna bode well for him getting a lot of playtime. 49 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 2: Number two is, you know, talking to coach Harball before 50 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: this last preseason game, he's been really impressed with his vision, 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: which was, you know, some of a question mark with 52 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: him coming out. I was like, Okay, he's got the height, weight, speeds, 53 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 2: he can catch it, he can block to all these things, 54 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: but how is the vision? And he said he's been 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 2: very impressed, even in practices where they aren't padded up, 56 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 2: which can be a little bit difficult for running backs. 57 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 2: Gets a lot of mud you don't see. It's a 58 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: lot of you know, walls of people and there's not 59 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: a lot of seams that create Harbo actually uses those 60 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: periods to kind of gauge and see how these guys 61 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 2: are seeing things. Sit a nice job. Now in the 62 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: first preseason game, there's a run to the left outside. 63 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: I would like to see him square his shoulders, get 64 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: north and south and plow through. I believe it was 65 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: your sin a rock, you sin gonna ran through him 66 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: for a touchdown, he tries to stretch, it doesn't get there. 67 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: I think that's a learning experience for him. Long way 68 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: of saying, he's going to play an awful lot Greg 69 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: and I think behind this offensive line, I think he 70 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: has a really nice year for the Chargers. 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Nase Harris coming off that eye injury. Not that 72 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 1: I thought Nase would be the one a to Hampton's 73 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: one be anyways, but just giving Hampton a large, longer 74 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: runway to be the man. And I love hearing that. 75 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: I love that you're there at practice hearing that that. 76 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: You're literally hearing it from Jim Harrock because fantasy football, 77 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: I am going big on a Marion Hampton. Like reality, 78 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: I'm going big on a Marion Hampton. I hear you, wait, 79 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: are you are you sticking your guy KeAndre Lambert Smith 80 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: in here? Because you said, you know you're mostly going 81 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: with Chalk And that was a fifth round pick. He 82 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: was a young receiver for the Chargers, already making some 83 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: noise who I couldn't help. But notice you had higher 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: than just about anyone, you know, you had him in 85 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: your top one fifty. People are like, I've prepped for 86 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: forty wide receivers. I never even heard of this guy, 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: and then the Chargers take him, and it really supports 88 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: the accusation that you are a shadow GM of the 89 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: team that you work for. Would you like to answer 90 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: those accusations? 91 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: What's the what's the last thing we're supposed to doing. 92 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: We're supposed to be doing a wildcard? A wildcard? But well, 93 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: I guess should I just do my wildcard? 94 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: Now? 95 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: Do you want to just steal the rest of the 96 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: rundown here? 97 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: Or I mean, we don't have a rundown. That's you know, 98 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know who you're gonna pack? 99 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: How faith and trust in your partner here? 100 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: We could share the rundown ahead of time, or you 101 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: could just go along with it and have a nice 102 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: Chargers conversation, right, I can. 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 2: Talk about it like this is like we talk about 104 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: in scouting. We use the term FBI Okay, football intelligence. 105 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: It's instincts, it's awareness, it's an understanding. 106 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 3: Gregg's podcast FBI atrocious. Just no feel whatsoever? You knew 107 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: I liked the guy going into the draft. He lights 108 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 3: up practice, he scores in the freaking Hall of Fame game. 109 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 3: You think I'm not gonna mention, Come on, dude, like 110 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: just a little faith and confidence in your partner here. 111 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: Bud Okay. 112 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: So if I was like a football player, you know, 113 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: obviously physically talented, uh, but just not really with the instincts. 114 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: You can't finally play the ball. I mean it's like, oh, 115 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 2: you're in great coverage down the field, but like, hey, 116 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: let's locate the ball. You just you know, balls just 117 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: get completed. 118 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: Jeff Okuda in my first three stops. So though, there 119 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: is some good positive pop that he's turning it around, 120 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: all right. 121 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: Go on with that Keyadre Leaverard Smith. 122 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 123 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, he's been he's been really good and he's explosive. 124 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: The one thing that was great to see in the 125 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 2: preseason is I go back through my notes, the speed 126 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: was there. He's a pen straight transfer who then you know, 127 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: goes to Auburn, big plays down the field. I mean 128 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: he looks beautiful. He is a big, just physical, fast dude. 129 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: The question was pressed like there were some times in 130 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: college where they got up into him in press coverage 131 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: and he struggled with it. So we go to this 132 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: preseason game and he ends up It was Raykestraw and 133 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: it's Rakestraw from the Lions. He lined up nose to 134 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: nose and they're a press man team. Detroit is and 135 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: and the first time I literally that was I told 136 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: the Money as we're calling on the game, like ooh, 137 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: they we got press coverage down here, Lambert Smith excited. 138 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: Literally boom right, he beats Wins right off the line. 139 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: It's like a twenty nine thirty yard completion on a 140 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 2: fade from Trey Lance. We're like, well, that's a great sign. 141 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: And then a couple more times they get pressed, including 142 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: on the goal line, he jabs him hits a slant touchdown. 143 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, like this is if he's getting off 144 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: press coverage, with all the other skill set that he possesses, 145 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: he is going to get on the field and have 146 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: an impact for true. But there you go, Greg, I'm 147 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: getting excited. 148 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: You mentioned doing the game with money, and I can't 149 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: help think back to last weekend Canton when Antonio Gates 150 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: gets inducted. The very last thing you hear before Antonio 151 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: Gates walks on the field is Matt Muney Smith's fantastic 152 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: call of him setting a touchdown record. I think what 153 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: you need to do, DJ is you need to start 154 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: shoehorning in on some big time calls of stepping on him, 155 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: stepping on him like if Khalil Mack. I'm trying to think, 156 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: who could possibly Khalil Mack if he breaks some sort 157 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: of record or justin herber as his career is developed. 158 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: I mean, you want to get into that spot. Don't 159 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: let money get all the shine there. 160 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: You know what I used to do? This is this 161 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: is sad to say, but when I first started doing 162 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: these games, the times where you will hear that I don't, 163 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: you know, I don't just who does inside the NFL 164 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 2: because you showed the clips from the game and they 165 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: would have some audio on there and stuff I didn't have. 166 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: I don't have HBO or any of the stations that 167 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: was on. So that was not my jam. But my 168 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: jam is when this top one hundred list would come out, 169 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: because the top one hundred list would come out, and 170 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: then they play some of the radio calls as they're 171 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: you know, they're going over those players, and then I 172 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: quickly realized, this is a play by play sport, man. 173 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: This is not a this is not a color analyst sport. 174 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: This is a play by play sport. And so you're 175 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: gonna get money, and that's what the people want, and 176 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: that's what the people deserve. 177 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a big diversion there, But I want 178 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: you getting in there. And look, we play you on 179 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: NFL daily. We're doing highlights each and every week. So 180 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: if the Charges win a lot of games and KeAndre 181 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Lambert Smith is scoring touchdowns, then. 182 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: Then we should do it. 183 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Let's let's I'll throw out my our just to keep 184 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: us on the same page now, and it is a 185 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: former Charger. It's Christian Fulton with the Chargers. The reason 186 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: I point that out and I mentioned this on our 187 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: AFC Takeaways, and I kind of forgot about Fulton, to 188 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: be honest, because he hasn't been on the field, which 189 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: is something that's happened a lot for him throughout his career. 190 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: He really hasn't been on the field consistently enough. He 191 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: was for the Chargers a year ago. But he's a 192 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: cornerback that I think they're counting on a lot, because 193 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: if you look at their problems in that Super Bowl, 194 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: they really just didn't go deep enough at the cornerback. 195 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: I mentioned that he's with the Chiefs, not with the 196 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: Chargers anymore. 197 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: By the way, that would be good. He is with 198 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: the Chiefs now so he changes places in the division. 199 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: I think he's a good player, and you can you 200 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: can tell me what you think about him and what 201 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: you saw to the t. I think he's a really 202 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: good player. And so to me, he's kind of a 203 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: boom or bust player for them because after him it 204 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: gets pretty thin where it's Schamari Connor and Nase Johnson 205 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: and some of these guys who were getting torched in 206 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: that Super Bowl. 207 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: Well McDuffie's pretty good. 208 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: Right, but you need you need three cornerbacks. You got 209 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Watson as your two. I think in today's NFL 210 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: you need you need four, and I think it falls 211 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: off pretty steeply maybe after McDuffie and Watson. So to me, 212 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Kristin Fulton is my wild card, and uh that's. 213 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: A good one. He's look, he can play. He can 214 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: play any way you want to play. When he's healthy 215 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 2: and on the field, he can play plus press, he 216 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: can play off. He's got good eyes. He's got it. 217 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: You know, he can play the ball. He's a good player. 218 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: He just had to be able to stay healthy. That's 219 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: been That's it, and that's it. But that's a good one, 220 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: all right, give me another. Uh with the Chiefs. I 221 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: mean Josh Simmons, you know, and this is one you've 222 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: already heard all the buzz. He's the left tackle, like 223 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: he just plug him and play him. The talent was 224 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: never a question. You know, he got hurt at Ohio 225 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 2: State last year. But his tape when he's on the 226 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: field is good or better than anybody else in the draft. 227 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: I mean it literally is the He had the best 228 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: left tackle tape if you're just going to go off 229 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: of the tape. So how the league let the Chiefs 230 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: get him because because you had injuries and you had immaturity, 231 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: and it was that combination that scared people off. So 232 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: look there, Joe Rosenhouse brought him to the Senior Bowl 233 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: when he wasn't playing in the Senior Bowl because he 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: knew that there was concerns about him and he wanted 235 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: him to be around the team so they could get 236 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: to know him and get more comfortable with him. That 237 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: doesn't happen if you're sitting there knowing you're the most 238 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: talented tackle on the draft and there's no cause for concern. 239 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: You're not parading him down there to the Senior Bowl, 240 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: so that that was where the league is, and I 241 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: mean the the ability was never a question with him. 242 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: Now it looks like he's come back really really quickly 243 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: and strong from this injury, and so far, so good 244 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: all accounts, he's doing everything he needs to do. But 245 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: there's guys like this every year, Greg, and what happens 246 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: is there's some of them will go on and have 247 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 2: unbelievable careers and you say, the whole league is stupid, 248 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: why were they worried about this? And then what happens 249 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: is those are the ones that are remembered. The ones 250 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: that aren't remembered are the guys who a year or 251 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: two in like, there's some things that pop up where 252 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 2: there's immaturity or you know this, and then the guy 253 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: kind of fades away and it's like nobody ever gets 254 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: an apology for they or why they passed on someone 255 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: or you know, within reason, all of a sudden, that 256 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: injury ends up being a major issue year two or three. 257 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you. We talked about it in forties 258 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 2: and freems before the draft, about the gift. You know 259 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: how gifted he is, and it talented he was. This 260 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: was not one of those issues with him. 261 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: I hear all that, and I do wonder if the 262 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: teams overrate the injury at the time of the draft, 263 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: Like you want everyone to be one hundred percent pristine, 264 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: but this is a four or five year commitment for 265 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: first round picks and you got to have the long view. 266 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: I do think sometimes team overrate like a guy coming 267 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: off an injury a little. But now the immaturity stuff, 268 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: I would like to ask, like, what does that mean? 269 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 2: Like, I've never traded in that information, so okay, I've 270 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: always just kind of put it under that umbrella. It 271 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: just served no purpose for me to get into that. 272 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: So I've never done it with any player. It was 273 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: just it was enough where I call around to people 274 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: and say, is there you know anything, Are there any issues, 275 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: any concerns? And with him there was some There were 276 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 2: some concerns, so I put it under that umbrella. I 277 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: don't want to be an investigative reporter and I don't 278 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: want to ever trash anybody, so I don't ever trade 279 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: in that. 280 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: This is how DJ plays the long game. He just 281 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: keeps he keeps his hands clean. 282 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: Everyone winning in that day, and I want all these 283 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: guys to do great, so I mean that's there's no 284 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: there's no winning in that. I'm just saying, that's rap sheets. 285 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Job like everyone can dislike rap sheet and that's it. 286 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: That's and that's literally at the draft. I mean that's 287 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: that I'm sitting here. Ian's there to serve that purpose? 288 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: Why is this guy still there when he's really really talented? 289 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 2: That's why. 290 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: So I could have gone with Jalen Moore. I was 291 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: thinking about him. If you're not familiar with him, he 292 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: was the backup to Trent Williams. He was a left 293 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: tackle for the forty nine ers last year when Trent 294 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Williams got hurt and they they gave him fifteen million 295 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: dollars a year DJ And now they've got what's called 296 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: a great problem where he is now battling at right 297 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: tackle with Juan Taylor and at left guard with their 298 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: former second round pick Kingsley's Sua Mattea. It's a lot 299 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: of Chiefs offensive line talk, but to me that that's 300 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: a bonus because he'll probably wind up starting in one 301 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: of those spots and there's injuries and you're gonna need him. 302 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: So now, after not having enough offensive lineman, somehow they 303 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: traded away Joe Toney and they might have too many, 304 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: which is a great thing, so forget him. 305 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm let me let me ask you this question quick 306 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: on this topic before we keep it moving. If they 307 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: had I don't know, it's it's in a pretty extreme 308 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 2: vision of this. But like, if if the Chiefs had 309 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: my Latta and Lane Johnson and the two super Bowls 310 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: they lost, did they win those two Super Bowls? 311 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: Wow? 312 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 2: Well do you take it away from the Boys. 313 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: And I was going to say, because suddenly the Eagles 314 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: have their tackles, then yes, I think the answer might 315 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: be yes. That Bucks night was I think even more 316 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: than just two players. 317 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: That was that was too much, oh may Jack Barrett. 318 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: And though they eviscerated them on the head. 319 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: Then again, like the Eagles got it done on both 320 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. It is really crazy to think 321 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: two of them. I would say the Super Bowls of 322 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: all time were quarterbacked by Patrick Mahomes at least in 323 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years. 324 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: It is crazy, But I mean I think you would 325 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: say that if that, what was the biggest weakness of 326 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: those chief teams that didn't seal the deal and didn't 327 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: it was the tackles. So not surprised that they addressed 328 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: it in a big way. Here am I up next? 329 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: No, that wasn't even one of mine. I'm going I'm 330 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: going Evan, Well, I just was saying, like, you know, 331 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention that he was he. 332 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: Counts one of you. You just did all that and he 333 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 2: doesn't count as one of your guys. 334 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to ask our producer Drew does that 335 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: count as one of the guys. He says no, So 336 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: I'll do it very quickly. Evan Ingram is added to 337 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: a Broncos mix at receiver slash tight end that to 338 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: me needed a little more juice, a little more after 339 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: the catch ability. It's a pretty big drop from Courtland Sutton, 340 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: who is a great guy on the boundaries. But we 341 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: need some guys who can make some plays after the catch, 342 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: and I think Evan Ingram could be very important for 343 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: this Broncos team, who to me, does need a little 344 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: more juice in terms of their skill position players. 345 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: And gives them some explosive plays. And I want to say, 346 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 2: I have to go back and look, but I want 347 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 2: to say the Chargers had him in and he was 348 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: in the mix, and then they ended up pivoting from him, 349 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: I think to Conkland. So they brought in Conkland from 350 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: the Jets, but he was coveted by a team in 351 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: the division as well, and it does give him some 352 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: explosiveness and a dynamic piece of that offense. So I 353 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: know that was you know, much was made about Sean 354 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: Payton saying he wanted his joker, which is going to 355 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: get me to my next guy that I'm going to 356 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: mention here in a minute, But all the great Sean 357 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: Payton offenses have had middle of the field mismatch players, 358 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: whether that's backs h Bax, tight ends or whatever you 359 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 2: call Taysom Hill. So having someone like that, I think 360 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: is was definitely on his checklist in the offseason. Wait, 361 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: so what's who's your next play? R J Harvey? R 362 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: J Hartvey second round pick, who is like a Darren 363 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: Sproles clone, you know, just a bolt of lightning out 364 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: of the backfield, big time speed, you can he can 365 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: separate and win one on one the pass game. So 366 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: to me, that's that every offense of Sean Payton's has 367 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: had a back that can do the things that RJ. 368 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: Harvey does, and I think he is a great fit there. 369 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, fantasy football players were alarmed 370 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: when they add JK. Dobbins deep into the offseason. It's like, no, JK. 371 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Dobbins is there to upgrade what was I guess the 372 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: object estimate spot. And those two guys do different things 373 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: and they're not going to count on Harvey. You don't 374 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: think to touch the ball twenty times a game or anything. 375 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: Dude, he doesn't need to. Yeah, he doesn't need to. 376 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: He's gonna have some hundred yard games, like combined yards, 377 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: hundred yard games with ten to twelve touches like that's 378 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: always going to need to get one hundred yards. He's 379 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: going to make some explosives. 380 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: I think it could be one of the best defenses 381 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: in the entire NFL. 382 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: You're a good team, man, and we'll get. 383 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: To them and their defense. Actually, right after this break, 384 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: oh back on forties and free agents, and you heard 385 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: it before the break. DJ loves the Broncos. Everybody, Jordan 386 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: Rodrigue loves the Bronco. Everybody loves the Broncos. My theory 387 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: on that, just a little bit, Jay, is everyone just 388 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: likes Sean Payton and his buddies with Sean Payton, so 389 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: they're rooting for him. Not in your case, really, but 390 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: I think the rest of the meetia. 391 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: I can honestly tell you, I'm trying to think of 392 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 2: who all is in their personnel department. I have. I 393 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 2: have one friend in their personnel department, but he's a 394 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: friend that I'll talk to him and see him twice 395 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: a year with the Chargers. Don't have Sean Payton's number. 396 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: I don't think he would know who even know who 397 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: I am, So come ons. He knows the game. He's 398 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: come in the booth, He's come in the booth a 399 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 2: couple times at the Combine, but I've never had a 400 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 2: one on one conversation with him. He knows, he knows 401 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: the media game. 402 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, I understand all the Broncos buzz because they 403 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: have a lot of continuity. They have a rookie quarterback 404 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: who really played better than you could have possibly expected. 405 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: I still worry that they don't have quite enough juice 406 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: on offense to really battle with the big boys. But 407 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: then you look at that defense DJ after adding my 408 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: pick here Dray green Law, and you just think, man, 409 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: what can't this defense too? It is rare to see 410 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: a defense that at every level feels loaded and after 411 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: adding dra Greenlaw, who to me is is a tone 412 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: setter who can rush the passer certainly is great and 413 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: run defense, is a tough guy. And you get Alex 414 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: Singleton back from an injury. You had this kid justin 415 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: Strnad last year who they were using the blitz, who 416 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: actually played quite well for them as kind of a 417 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: fourth or fifth year player, And I think that's no 418 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: longer a weakness either. And I just love everything I've 419 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: heard in terms of what Greenlaw has added so far 420 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: to that mix. He's got to stay healthy. He's been 421 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: a little bit in and out of practice already this offseason. 422 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: But when you look at Drake Greenlaw, what kind of 423 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: impact do you think he can have on this defense? 424 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 2: I like him. I mean you touched on his skill set. 425 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you that I think you picked 426 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: the wrong guy. I think you had the right side 427 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: of the ball. I think you had the right former team. 428 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 2: I think you had the wrong player. 429 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: I had to go one to represent it, so yes, 430 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: I could have gone with Tellneya who Funga who's playing 431 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: at safety? 432 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: I mean he talk about him place Hufanga And I'm 433 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 2: just throw out a number here. If I told you 434 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: that we looked up at the end of the season 435 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: behind this front seven Whufunga has seven picks next year? 436 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: Would you would that shock you? No? 437 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: Not if he uh not, if he stays on the field, 438 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: because he is also he's a safety that's going to 439 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: be supported by some excellent cornerback play around him, which 440 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: which was going to be give freedom. 441 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: He's going to be freed up and he's that's who 442 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: he is, like he is to me. He's not high 443 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: weight speed yet he is all instincts and all feel 444 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 2: and instinct. Field guys don't work great when you need 445 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 2: him as helpers, like when you need him to help 446 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: cover someone that you're not capable of stopping. And he's 447 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: got a shadow. What those guys are at their best 448 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: is when you say, hey, you're free. You're gonna end 449 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: up over here, over there, up to you. Whatever you 450 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: see and feel, go do it. And if that's how 451 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: I and I think that is how he's going to 452 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 2: be using this defense, he is going to touch a 453 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: lot of footballs. Okay, I hear that. 454 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: Part of the reason I didn't choose him was there 455 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: secondary was already very good. They also add today Baron 456 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: maybe he's on your list. I don't know. I know 457 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: you liked him a lot in the draft. How's my 458 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: football instincts here wrong? 459 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 2: But I do like him. 460 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: I do like him him as like a top twelve player. 461 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: But that was partly why I didn't pick Whufungo was. 462 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: I thought you might pick Baron and their secondary was 463 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: already good. 464 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 2: My first three guys that I went with, I mean, 465 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: I get to the third one here because I jumped 466 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: out of order. But as I was composing this, we're 467 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: all first rounders, and I'm like, I don't want It's 468 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: not a good show if I'm just doing six first 469 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: round guys. 470 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're getting the great move the sticks analysis. 471 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: One last thing on this Broncos defense, and on Greenlaw specifically, 472 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: one thing I'm hearing this offseason is like, because linebackers 473 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: are killing defenses. It's like the difference between a great 474 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: defense and not are your linebackers killing you or not. 475 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, you know, a guy like Trey green Law. 476 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: And what I think a lot of teams say they 477 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: really need now is they need a linebacker that need 478 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: to be part of like the rush package. You know, 479 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: like why why is that so important now do you 480 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: think compared to maybe five years ago. 481 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, running cover has always been a 482 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: big thing with linebackers. We went through the era with 483 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: the plugger like that got eliminated. Those guys no longer 484 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: exist anymore. So there's a big emphasis on coverage. And 485 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: then what's happened is it's become so hard to get 486 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: to the quarterback by traditional means, and they can know 487 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: where your big ash, you know your premier edge guy, 488 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 2: and they can direct attention. So you're seeing a lot 489 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 2: of these kind of mug fronts and then you're trying 490 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 2: to just find one on ones and can you win 491 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: with a back? And you know, there's the old saying 492 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 2: that backers on backs equal sacks, Like there's that's the 493 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: best matchup in terms of pass rush is going to 494 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: be a linebacker on a running back. So those guys 495 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: are valuable when you can when you can win inside, 496 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: it's in the face of the quarterback and it's a 497 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: favorable matchup on a back. So that's kind of where 498 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: is the other trend I would say is we're hitting 499 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: little sidebar trend topic here. Used to be talking to 500 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: teams around the league this time you that bad teams 501 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: wanted to get better, it was always you know, we 502 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: got so much faster, We're so much more athletic, we're 503 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 2: more explosive. I feel like this year because and we 504 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: talked about this on Move the six the other day, 505 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: because everybody's playing shell coverage, everybody's playing with two high safeties. Everybody, 506 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: I talk to you, like, man, we're just we're a 507 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: lot bigger. We're a lot bigger and stronger up front. Now, 508 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: like it just ebbs and flows how the league goes 509 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: and what you're looking for. But it's like everybody has 510 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: tried to get bigger upfront with their defensive line, and 511 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: it all makes sense. 512 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: And yet if everyone's doing it, you know, you do 513 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: you get the advantage that you need. It's the teams 514 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: that can obviously do it, the best, that have been 515 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: doing it the longest, that a redly have a year 516 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: head start, Like you're Jim haw Jim Harbaugh Chargers, all right, 517 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: give me give me another rookie. 518 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: So the one that I had, which was the third 519 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 2: one that I bounced around the order a little bit 520 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: here was obvious ash and gent with the with the Raiders, 521 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: I mean, the offense is gonna run through him. Pete 522 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: Carroll has a style. I mean, I know he's a 523 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: miniature version, but you know, the Marshawn Lynch, the battering ram, 524 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 2: the tough you know, it's an He's an identity back. 525 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: There aren't many backs. A lot of great, but there's 526 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 2: not many backs that literally provide the identity to an 527 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: offense and to the team. This is what Pete Carroll 528 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: every you know, good team he's had has had this 529 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: style of players. So I think they feed him early 530 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: and often. I'm curious to see how this offensive line 531 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 2: comes together. They got some good young pieces like Powers 532 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: Johnson is a good player, but I think as that 533 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: offensive line kind of gets going, I think you're gonna 534 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: see Ashon Genty have a really. 535 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Good year moving Powers Johnson to guard, which is very 536 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: surprising to me. Looks like that's kind of I like 537 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: Convet center, But yeah, I was surprised by that. Maybe 538 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: it's just about getting the best five. And they didn't 539 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: feel great about Alex Kappa, who they brought in as 540 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: a free agent. 541 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: Well we'll see. 542 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. All the reports on Gentis so far are really 543 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: encouraging in terms of his pass protection and his past receiving, 544 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: which you know wasn't his the thing he majored in college, right, 545 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: and they're they're saying they just didn't know, like how 546 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: how he would adapt, And so far, so good. I mean, 547 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: I might as well go with who is clearly the 548 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: biggest in this entire division. It's it's the guy who's 549 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: going to be throwing some swing passes, some screens. 550 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: It's Gino Smith. 551 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: I mean, they're counting on Gino to do a lot 552 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: because you could say that the offense runs through Ash Jenny, 553 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: and I would agree with you, because he doesn't have 554 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: a lot of outside receivers. He's got maybe the best 555 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: tight end in the entire league. Forget just young tight end, 556 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: just tight end and Brock Bowers that's their number one. 557 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers is an inside guy as well. Michael Mayer 558 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: is a good young player and he's inside as well. 559 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: So it's a lot of inside receivers and Gino Smith 560 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: has won over the middle quite a bit throughout his career. 561 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: It's a big year for Geno nation DJ because this 562 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: ride that we've been on where ball knowers know that 563 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: he's even better than you realize and just throws a 564 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: beautiful football and was held down by the Jets way 565 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: back in the day. It's been amazing, but this could 566 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: take it to another level. What you're dj is now 567 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: on the phone. I'm sorry you're saying, I'm talking too loud. 568 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: Hold on one second. I'm just calling my brother. I 569 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: was going to meet him for lunch and two hours 570 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm pushing. We push it back. We just yeah, he's 571 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: talking about Geno Smith. We push that back just probably 572 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: another hour. I mean, what are your thoughts that, Yeah, yeah, 573 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 2: worry about that. I just had to make a change of 574 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: schedule on them. Plans go ahead. Anything else you want 575 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: to add on Geno? Right? 576 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: I know it's tough because you know your kids are 577 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: getting old and they're moving out of the house and stuff, 578 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: and so you don't have a place to use all 579 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: your dad humor. 580 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: So just bring it, bring it here, give it to me. 581 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 2: There's nothing better than dad humor. Have you settled into 582 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: your dad humor yet? Are your kids old enough? 583 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 584 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 2: Do your kids think you're funny? 585 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: No? 586 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: Smart kids? 587 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thirteen and ten and I have settled into it. 588 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 1: I mean I think I'm funny, but they they definitely 589 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: don't think them. 590 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: Did they ever think you were funny? 591 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, back, I think I think when they were not 592 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: like like hah. 593 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: Like tickle you like, but like really like they made you, 594 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 2: you made them laugh. 595 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day, sneaky funny. You know. 596 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: I think you bridge just bring Jeszelneck over to the house. 597 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I did host a long running 598 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: successful comedy podcast, The Justin Lick and Rosenthal Vanity Project. 599 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, And that's like Jim Sorgie's saying he 600 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: was part of a very successful quarterback room with the Colts. 601 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: DJ is sneaky funny. But I don't think your kids 602 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: ever thought you were funny, did they? Well? 603 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: I think I disagree with you on that. 604 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: But what do you think about Gino? Like for real? 605 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 2: No, I like Gino. I like Gino. I don't know 606 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: if they have the pieces on the outside for this 607 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: to be a prolific passing offense. And I think Pete 608 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 2: Carroll's going to want the identity of this team to 609 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: go through the ground, So I think I don't think 610 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 2: he's going to post you know, wow numbers. But I 611 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: think they're going to be competitive. I think they're a 612 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 2: team that's good enough to be in a lot of games. 613 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're good enough to win a 614 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: lot of games, if that makes any sense. 615 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: Well, the talent on defense, and we'll get to that 616 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: is just not there, at least not on paper. So 617 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I do feel like it could be another season where 618 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: Gino is better on film than he is in terms 619 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: of justice stats, which is the last thing that I. 620 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 2: Want to be. 621 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Litigating again. Twenty twenty five as the as the Seahawks 622 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: give up like the fifth highest pressure rate in the 623 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: entire NFL. All right, I'm just gonna stay with the Raiders. Yeah, 624 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to just keep talking though. Malcolm Koons 625 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: to me, is so important for this team who they 626 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: brought back. And I don't think a lot of people 627 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: know about him too much, but was on fire before 628 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: he tore his ADL a couple of years ago. And 629 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: I put him here just because, you know, after Christian 630 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: Wilkins was cut and you look at the back seven 631 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: of this even like just not a lot of talent. 632 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: They need him to kind of help provide an identity 633 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: with Max Crosby. 634 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a Mike Mayock special there. He's 635 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: got speed, he's got burst, you know, the question is 636 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: going to because Max can freelance a little bit and 637 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: then he's kind of an up the field speed guy. 638 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 2: I think there are going to be times so they're 639 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 2: going to get gashed a little bit with those guys 640 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: getting up the field. But he is going to be 641 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: a pressure player in a division with the three quarterbacks 642 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: that they're going up against him, Mahomes, Herbert and Knicks. Like, 643 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 2: having somebody that can win off the edge is going 644 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 2: to be big, and I think he's he's proven he 645 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,239 Speaker 2: can do that when he's out there and healthy. I'm 646 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 2: going to go just because we are just so Rader 647 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: heavy right here, because my last one is another Raider. 648 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: It's Jack Besh who talking to guys out there. The 649 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 2: expectation is he'll he'll emerge as the third wide out, 650 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 2: so you'll see how he settles in there. It sounds 651 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: like in camp he's just kind of getting better and 652 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: better and better. But someone who man, he's got such 653 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: an incredible story, the adversity has been through. He's easy 654 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: got to root for first and foremost. But he's big. 655 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: He can he can win in the middle of the field. 656 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 2: He can win on fifty to fifty balls so Gino. 657 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: I think I think he'll get Gino's trust. You know, 658 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: whether he's in the slot you're trying to hit fades 659 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: with him there, or whether you're down in the red zone. 660 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: I think he's going to be someone you feel okay 661 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: putting the ball in harm's way because he's either going 662 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: to get or he's gonna he's gonna get it away 663 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: from the defense. He's just too competitive. He's not going 664 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: to lose many of those situations. 665 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: It's interesting you hear that, and I think Raiders fans 666 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: will be excited to hear that that there is the expectation, 667 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: that the hope that he gets up into that third spot. 668 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,239 Speaker 1: You've actually been hearing more about Dante Thornton, and this 669 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: is why I like hosting forties and free agents. We 670 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:09,239 Speaker 1: can have a structure and a bit, but I just 671 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: want to know something about Dante Thornton. Not a guy 672 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: I know much about and a fourth round pick who 673 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: has a real chance to be the starting X for 674 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: the Raiders. So I'm just curious if you had any 675 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: takes about whether he could be a guy that contributes 676 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: right away. Supposedly he's impressed that qb Room there that Gino, 677 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, made a comment that he can trust throw 678 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: into Thornton on the outside to win. 679 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: Well, he's ginormous. So he was six oh four five, 680 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: so almost six foot five, two hundred five pounds. He 681 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: ran four to three flat, so he's got big, big speed. 682 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: The way they used him at Tennessee they have those 683 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: super wide splits, so he's way outside. He had a 684 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 2: lot of bang eights, so you know those are you 685 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: know those skinny posts things about the old school cowboys, 686 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 2: Michael Irvin. You know he lived on that, on that route, 687 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: so those skinny posts. He was excellent. Lots of vertical winners. 688 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 2: Tracks the ball well over his shoulder. You can get 689 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: him the ball out on some of those RPO slants 690 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: in that Tennessee offense. Now, the thing was he just 691 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of wiggle as a route runner. 692 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: Telegraphed his routes a little bit, which, by the way, 693 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 2: that probably falls into my antiquated scouting terminology telegraphs as 694 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: routes like I don't know if many young folks know 695 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 2: about telegraphs. So, but he's he's he's not great in 696 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: terms of the nuance of the position. 697 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a word that over time no 698 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: longer really meant how it was originally meant. I think 699 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: everyone knows what telegraphing a pass would be like in 700 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: basketball or football. 701 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: I didn't even really do. I think maybe our generation does. 702 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 2: I don't know that. 703 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: It's not like we were sending telegraphs to each other. 704 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: Maybe you were, no but I know, but I don't. 705 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: I don't our coaches said that to us. I go 706 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: to my kids. My kids have made it through the 707 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: high school process. My youngest is a senior. I've been 708 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: to some practices I don't remember with my kids. Then 709 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: hearing don't telegraph. I'm just saying it's not all about 710 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: the technology staying up to date. Like lithograph. I think 711 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: the gone was just kind of kind that's gone. But 712 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: telegraph booth, we've talked about it. Yeah, booth can't get open. 713 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: It's funny you talking about Thornton, you know who? He 714 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: sounded exactly like DJ Who, every single wide receiver that 715 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Al Davis used to draft. So that sounds like a 716 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: great rader. 717 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: Serious, Hayward Bay, is that where you're going with. 718 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: Just like size, weight, speed, you go back to the eighties, nineties, 719 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, to bring it back to Irvin. They're not 720 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: losing recipes there, you know, with the Raiders. 721 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 2: That's a good phrase that's held up. 722 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: I really do feel like Michael Irvin losing recipes is 723 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: the number one moment in the history of NFL network. 724 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: But I think maybe me and you j we could 725 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: top that at some point in this little build up. 726 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: Do you have another one about is that ed? Or 727 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: do you have another one that's it? We did it 728 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: next week? Can you encourage the folks to subscribe to 729 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 2: this bad boy and then leave us a little rating 730 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: and review. 731 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: You just did it. I mean they'll listen to you more. 732 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: You're more of an authority. 733 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: But yes, what's the Reddit thread going to have to 734 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: say about this thing coming back? Is my question. 735 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: I just like, as we're texting and they must have 736 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: heard it through through NFL Daily. I just got a text, 737 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: uh from a friend, a listener just that says, yeah 738 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: forties and freems the people. The people are excited and 739 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: and maybe even more excited. I think, if you don't 740 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: need to see it in your feed multiple times? So 741 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to convince the iHeart our bosses that we 742 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: don't need to do that anymore forties and free agents 743 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: can live on its own. So for that to happen, 744 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: everyone needs to subscribe and then yeah, hit that five 745 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: star review, write something nice about DJ's polo. 746 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 2: And for those that don't have it, as Greg was 747 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 2: just mentioning a listener at texting them. So if you 748 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 2: don't have Greg's number, it is three to one zero. 749 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: No sorry, anyways, I still got that six fort to say. 750 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: Take about your phone number to listeners, I love you 751 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 2: my New York. I mean he's is that gorilla marketing? 752 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: Is that what we're a friend. 753 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: He's a friend, a friend and a listener. But I'm okay, 754 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: I'm a businessman. I've of you everyone as a listener. 755 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: You're a listener to me. DJ hope, I hope you're 756 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: checking out NFL Daily. We will be back next week 757 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: a f C North NFC North will see that